oh I see
#general
limber knotBOT
warm anchor
let's make it print an ASCII version of Aikar's face on their console screen and tell them to update 
or make it print that
golden gust
We can make paperclip return a pretty error if needed, that runs on java 8 by default
(maybe even 6 or 7 unless he removed that)
brave radish
I'm not entirely sure, but I think the 1.8 jar got mad at me today for running it with java 8 instead of 1.8 and crashed itself
golden gust
java 8 is identified as 1.8
brave radish
I know they're the same thing; that's why it was strange
golden gust
they just dropped the 1 in front when they went to 9 because java 2 wen?
brave radish
that's the only explanation I have: my system had /usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-1.8 and openjdk-8 (or something like that). Both worked in general, but minecraft would only run on the 1.8
(client, not server)
idk why else it would happen
limber knotBOT
that would be something else borked, the difference in how the version is displayed there is irrelevant
brave radish
well idk what else would be borked then
I'll look in the logs later ig; I just switched to openjdk-8 and ran
golden gust
Your server took too long to tick
all we can tell you is that the moment that dump was created, holograms was saving some stuff to the disk
radiant notch
Can you give the ultimate version of paper 1.16.1?
vestal jasper
Why .1
radiant notch
I remember this discord had an installator
or something like that
Where you can see the ultimate versions of paper, right?
keen aspen
anyone here use farmlimiter
golden gust
We'd nee to see the full thing and a timings report if the server didn't die
all we can see is that some plugin is loading chunks frm clicking in an inventory which is kinda dangerous given those are easy to spam packets
it's in the click event
timings report?
screenshots are useless, we need the actual report
also,wrong channel
Please stop pinging
Yes
merry talon
wtf
untold copper
potent fossil
just spammed the shit out of aber on snapchat on accident
warm anchor
Simple secretly stalker!? 
potent fossil
secretly?
merry talon
simple?
warm anchor
openly
radiant notch
vestal jasper
Wow imagine being @potent fossil and @spiral robin and not adding me on snapchat
golden gust
who are you?
vestal jasper
Sometimes you make me want to ping you
vestal jasper
Dw I pooped on urs
spiral robin
Wow imagine being <@698668938661331045> and <@271510274475819008> and not adding...
DM me 
potent fossil
Wow imagine being <@698668938661331045> and <@271510274475819008> and not adding...
Me too 
vestal jasper
Simple we dm surprisingly little considering how often we interact here
potent fossil
Simple we dm surprisingly little considering how often we interact here
i hardly dm anyone except kash and school people and clients
vestal jasper
Ah
potent fossil
golden gust
I was gonna joke and say I'dsend you pp or nothing final offer
and then just send a ken doll picture in here
but, I ain't googling for that
mental meadow
There u go
vestal jasper
There u go
patent crow
@heavy dust
peak ginkgo
<a:weebravemove:738228963721216012> https://yatopia.lol/
just host it on netlify
holy fuck
vernal moth
Or github
merry talon
literally anywhere
what does cf pages have over the others? looks like its limited unless you pay
github and netlify already have free cdn and stuff
workers i guess
vernal moth
It's CloudFlare tho, their CDN us the best
And it integrates nicely into their other products
We are currently searching for a ddos provider at work but for some reason our security operations center doesnt like cf
Even tho they are allowed by regulators in germany for us
(am insurance, so we can't just use whatever, needs to be data hosted in germany/europe for example)
waxen panther
Wow imagine being <@698668938661331045> and <@271510274475819008> and not adding...
Wow imagine being @potent fossil and not adding me on snapchat
untold copper
potent fossil
Wow imagine being <@!698668938661331045> and not adding me on snapchat
DM π Me 
ashen cliff
I have the AE and main farm dimension split due to tick time issues. But using AE2 dims for farms should work fine till you can maintain them.
cosmic raft
golden gust
demonic laugh
potent fossil
@vernal moth hangar's auth system is in...python?
untold copper
I made a windmill :D
vernal moth
<@!134340832093405184> hangar's auth system is in...python?
It's sponges stuff
untold copper
#WeStillDontNeedYourDailyPictureDiary
D:
vernal moth
Blame md, he wanted to rewrite it ^^
But yeah i don't really wanna go to prod with that, especially since for whatever fucking reason it only runs with debug enabled on my server π π
But we will continue the concept of a central sso server, that also will plug into the forums and whatever else
At least that's what we decided ages ago
potent fossil
:peepoSmile:
oh looks like my nitro ran out
....ok
hey @twin lagoon do you see my problem
twin lagoon
no
potent fossil
plz daddy
potent fossil
doubt it .
potent fossil
well thats not good
orchid epoch
Man i cant even lurk
twin lagoon
lurking is for dummies
vernal moth
Hangar/sponge auth seems simple anyways, I bet i can rewrite it in a week
orchid epoch
I clicked a name by accident and it autofilled
potent fossil
someone pog react mini so i can pog react him
twin lagoon
vernal moth
I mean, it would also be a great way to contribute to the project wink wink
golden gust
Got something in your eye there?
vernal moth
Simple spring boot app that has a user db, some login and register form, and one logged in page with a few link, that sends posts to another server to update user data
untold copper
Below the windmill is an emerald farm :D
ashen cliff
You need more XP.
quasi valley
thank you snoopa, very cool
minor badge
thank you knenytv, very cool
woven otter
thank you proxi, very cool
untold copper
You need more XP.
I do have a gold farm
waxen panther
wow !
untold copper
thank you snoopa, very cool
anytime
waxen panther
β
cedar spade
thank you broccolai - very weeb / helpful, very cool
ashen cliff
I do have a gold farm
More XP!
olive marlin
Fastest way is too cheese multi-first-dragon farm.
untold copper
its not a small gold farm
olive marlin
Get to level 21,863 or get out.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hpJlw118Wi4
waxen panther
im so glad
we get to follow snoopas lets play
through 20 or so screenshots a day
potent fossil
he's been told to stop like 10 times but continues :shrug_animated:
olive marlin
Snoopa you should stream it :P
untold copper
shut up brocc literally no one is talking to you >:(
waxen panther
hello moderators im being bullied ?
untold copper
smh
waxen panther
wtf md ?
untold copper
Snoopa you should stream it :P
I could but if I start doing that my PC will die lol
cedar spade
wtf broc ?
ashen cliff
how do i get EVEN MORE XP?
Just use mods to get more XP.
https://posili.me/i/2021-02-10_11-05-08.png
next frost
which modpack is that?
untold copper
vernal moth
This is nice
Some guy hacked into the tool chain of all major companies, including the build server of apple id and office 365 and paypal
topaz mortar
Yeah saw that on some private discord. Wonderfull idea.
vernal moth
Got the max bug bounty of couple of firms, some nice cash right there, lol
potent fossil
fucking coyotes
was just getting in bed then coyote attacks a dog down my street. now im waiting for animal services after i scared the coyote away
aint getting my neighborhood cats either bitch
twin lagoon
vernal moth
Where do you life? Lol
meager tusk
looking at svelte and this looks awesome
potent fossil
Where do you life? Lol
rural california
vernal moth
And you got coyotes there, til
potent fossil
yes they live in the nearby hills and enjoy scurrying our neighborhoods after dark for small delicious dogs and cats
vernal moth
I see
I also thought about coyote as something different
It's like a wolf here i guess
potent fossil
that is indeed a coyote
vernal moth
Also, google has a 3d model moving around
That's so nice
Idk if that's mobile online
worn ember
That's why you keep big dogs
We only really have to deal with foxes and something else i forgot the name of
ornate sundial
Can I ask a question
limber knotBOT
oof, amazon prime shipping takes 5 days?!? they really can't deal with the weather in germany right now lol
limber knotBOT
in your part of the country, yeah
they shut down the biggest fulfillment center, cause too much snow on the room
golden gust
oof
limber knotBOT
s/room/roof
Correction, <MiniDigger> they shut down the biggest fulfillment center, cause too much snow on the roof
spiral garden
oh...
limber knotBOT
you still gotta store somewhere?
spiral garden
yeah fair enough
limber knotBOT
DβoNβotβSpβamβPlβs: germany doesn't do trains
limber knotBOT
we spent over 10 years moving every transport to the streets and defunding our freight train network
lobbyism ftw
also, trains dont drive there currently either
yeah
they had like 30cm snow in a few hours or smth
lets see when my index gets through lol https://i.moep.tv/goIEL57J.png
you brought an vive index?
yeah
rood
I wanna
first hmd?
no, had the original oculus
ah
my dad got a quest 2 now, and that little thing feels like an insane upgrade compared to my htc vive
was a bit surprised that it shipped so fast, steam store said 2 weeks and it shipped the next day lol
just the lenses alone make such a difference
maybe they meant 2 weeks delivery time xD
peak ginkgo
Are we on irc
limber knotBOT
pog
yeah, the original generation is kinda meh but the rift especially
I only bought it because I got it for half the price back then, plant to get out of the facebook shit when I got the chance
*planed lol
I've an Oculus Quest π₯Ί
I dont know if I wanna upgrade, I think am gonna wait till next gen
I dont use it as much anymore anyways
didnt even finish hl:al, lmao
Too busy to enjoy gaming
well, if you have vive and lighthouse tech already then upgrading is a bit cheaper anyways
do new controllers work with old lighthouse?
pretty sure they do
I think so
also, tbh, price isnt much an issue, not like I got to spend much money last year, lol
I remember seeing someone literally just talking about it
If I can find it I'll lyk
yeah xD
its not important dejay, dw, I dont plan on doing anything rn
"2.0 devices can be tracked by 1.0 base stations
Anyway"
You cannot use 2.0 Base stations with a 1.0 headset
But the controllers are dine
s/dine/fine
Correction, <dejay> But the controllers are fine
And 2.0 devices can be tracked by 1.0 base stations
Basically forward compat not backwards
tbh the main issue I had with occulus was that it was yet another factor that was preventing me to switch to linux lol
windows gang but unironically
Love having support for everything
you mean except when your printer wont work because drivers are only available for XP?
Easy fix, new printer
new drivers
or because the latest drivers got miss-labeled on the manifacturer website and they uploaded the xp drivers als windows 7+
*as
at least under linux everything works out of the box lol
CUPS on my RPI has never failed me
(except facebook devices I guess)
limpid comet
<@!738346084769988638> took all of my money
it's true
i spent it all on pop vinyls of the queen
twin lagoon
topaz mortar
i spent it all on pop vinyls of the queen
At least something useful.
minor badge
@limpid comet awa
limber knotBOT
awa
fickle kelp
cosmic raft
what is a sleep
limber knotBOT
hello kazheek
olive marlin
Proximyst 
limber knotBOT
meh, my Minecraft doesn't want to make any sound anymore :(
cedar spade
hello kazheek
limber knotBOT
Frands :)
oof, apparently windows decided to change the default audio device again -.-
warm anchor
Did you ask windows nicely. Maybe he wonβt change again 
limber knotBOT
What an emoji
warm anchor
dim shadow
where is 0,0 irl? north or south pole?
limber knotBOT
0,0 is logically where the prime meridian and equator meet
quasi valley
... why should it?
cunning raft
have you ever seen a coordinate plane my guy
limber knotBOT
0,0 is the "middle"
dim shadow
oh ok i see it on a map now... so basically the center on a stretched out square map -_- with america in the west & old world in the right
i call bias
cedar spade
welcome to 3D geometry
limber knotBOT
Think Minecraft
But harder
0,0 is your center
You can elect to goto the topmost point
dim shadow
is this a worldwide thing?
dim shadow
cause i know other countries use 180 degree shifted maps
wait topmost...? we talkin 2d or 3d here LOL
cedar spade
4D
dim shadow
ohhhhh wait 180... so u talkin degrees
dim shadow
lemme guess -90 z?
cedar spade
...did you think they meant radians?
limber knotBOT
Positive 90
Negative 90 is north pole somewhere
s/north/south
Correction, <dejay> Negative 90 is south pole somewhere
dim shadow
...did you think they meant radians?
something meter based .-.
quasi valley
have you any sort of idea of what you're talking about, or are you spitting out random thoughts
cedar spade
ah yes
dim shadow
oh ok ok so +90 north -90 south
quasi valley
just like, google
cedar spade
180 metres from the top of the earth to the bottom
dim shadow
-180 would b opposite of null islend rite?
limber knotBOT
"opposite" ehh
quasi valley
wot
limber knotBOT
the other side
dim shadow
yea
quasi valley
read
limber knotBOT
i've just pulled an all nighter and i'm explaing lat long
I learned lat long in a summer school class in the 9th(?) grade
dim shadow
I learned lat long in a summer school class in the 9th(?) grade
i probs did too but i slept alot in school lol
quasi valley
we can tell
limber knotBOT
Before the big sad I actually enjoyed school
Love that noone commented on diksong
dikson*
dim shadow
~~*we can tell*~~
i feel like i learned a shit ton more math from google/wikpedia than i ever did at school
dim shadow
Love that noone commented on diksong
sry never been ther ;-; is that serbia or somthin
warm anchor
sry never been ther ;-; is that serbia or somthin
Are you gonna grief 0,0 in real? runs
dim shadow
dude yes LOL im trynna figure out where 2 get a flight to
im seein ghana, togo, sao tome and principe w/e tf that is
maybe cote d'ivore
nvm liberia's right there
serene sentinel
limber knotBOT
Okay that's a good one
cunning raft
twin lagoon
spiral robin
@twin lagoon 
olive marlin
Michale 
twin lagoon
depends on your definition of safe but the majority of africa i would not consider safe
lmao
dim shadow
im thinkin not but idk ive never been ther i dont wanna judge
serene sentinel
dim shadow
ok yeah ghana is cheapest... next up is over 2x as much in equatorial guinea
olive marlin
Proximyst and Michale ignoring me 
dim shadow
and they dont even got a airport i gotta go thru gabon
twin lagoon
bloodstone 
dim shadow
what are you even trying to do
find spawn and grief it
olive marlin
They are trying to raid 0,0 irl
minor badge
ashen cliff
https://videocardz.com/newz/cd-projekt-reds-gwent-source-code-has-been-leaked-cy...
Time to get this π.
dim shadow
Time to get this π.
dam i feel bad for that company lol
they got sources for 4 games
ashen cliff
OUR sources.
dim shadow
rewrite it in ur own words π LOL
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
twin lagoon
.g my little pony os
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.ponyos.org/
twin lagoon
also classics
serene sentinel
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
vernal moth
http://yatopia.lol
2 N I T? π
cunning raft
idk i tried to give him the best i could
void void
lombok is actually pretty useful for spring
unreal quarry
should've got snoop dogg
ashen cliff
MySQL Worldgen when?
vernal moth
should've got snoop dogg
Not available rn
And like, the actual famous ones are expensive, lol
Chuck norris is like 400 bucks
cunning raft
yeah that guy was $20
spare venture
should've taken $1 off for mispronouncing tuinity
vernal moth
His fault for not providing phonetics
magic river
I feel like I'm supposed to know who that was now
brave radish
Ok so survey to settle an argument: if, as a child, you pretended smarties were pills, react with thumbs up. Otherwise, react with thumbs down. I'll do both
vernal moth
My sister used to call my "smartie piece" (smartie StΓΌck in German), lol
Martin, smartie, similar sound, and she tough i was smart π€π
magic river
Pretty sure at least once my sister did when pretending I was sick and she was taking care of me so I'll upvote π
vernal moth
Whenever I tell her that she hits me π
magic river
Is she younger than you and had trouble pronouncing your name or something?
tropic flame
magic river
Or younger and just thought it was clever as a child
vernal moth
30 months younger and she genuinely meant it
tall sinew
welp... i downloaded like 200 mods and now I'm going to add them to my server and hope nothing crashes XD
untold copper
welp... i downloaded like 200 mods and now I'm going to add them to my server an...
tell me some
tall sinew
identity
tall sinew
fabric
tall sinew
why
vernal moth
Especially, since on voice chat, when her mic doesn't pic up the s, i hear martie and think she means me π
tall sinew
k
vernal moth
Maybe am just lost, lol
untold copper
lol
twin lagoon
oh shit oh fuck
new caves
Underground features, structures, and caves generate all the way down to y -64.
brave radish
Generation range and build limits have been expanded by 64 blocks up and 64 blocks down, to a total range of 384 blocks.
Underground features, structures, and caves generate all the way down to y -64.
oh no
oh Micheal already copied it
that's gonna break so many plugins
brave radish
all the ones that go in a for loop from 0 to 255 expecting to get all the blocks
brave radish
also that's interesting: what's it gonna do to existing worlds? it's just gonna leave a world with varying levels of bedrock?
ok I'll just go play the snapshot and see
twin lagoon
cache 
mossy vessel
ima cache you
brave radish
and nmf why would that be horrible?
twin lagoon
uwu
mossy vessel
brave radish
uwu
A texting emoticon used to show cuteness but also is sin to the internet world. It is basically banned worldwide never use in any circumstances unless you want to be attacked.
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
snapshot released on time
multimc updated already
usually does it every hour or so so it's perfect
first time multimc is faster than the mc launcher itself for me
that answers that for anyone asking ^
brave radish
ah... I wanna go enable it lol
meager tusk
Okay
twin lagoon
https://owo.whats-th.is/3XmHn5G.jpg water caves 
brave radish
I find minecraft works better with java 15 btw
might wanna try and see
by "better" I mean my laptop's fans don't run like crazy as much
stray oyster
Wooo so long ViaBackwards and ProtocolSupport
quasi valley
I just noticed the update
quasi valley
time so see how horrible it's going to be
stray oyster
quasi valley
ACTUALLY, let me try something
twin lagoon
wonder what hapens if you load an old world through the server jar
since it's disabled in single player
stray oyster
If youβre asking/ there is no code to convert 256 to more or less yet
mossy vessel
Damn, I didn't launch that block game for a solid months
minor badge
hello five !
minor badge
πΌ
stray oyster
woven otter
1.17 when
mossy vessel
Ok that fancy freezing blocks are noice
austere ivy
negative y coordinates. wild.
I wonder how that's going to affect performance. the article also says generation ranges have been increased as well.. so, higher mountains, presumably?
brave radish
and lower caves
woven otter
seems to be as bad as before
left swift
Omg the greatest bug of all is fixed
untold copper
the new caves look so good
left swift
Floating mineshafts
untold copper
and the go below y level 0
formal turret
nice, official taller worlds now
void void
They're not in their final form yet
untold copper
Floating mineshafts
ha yes
woven otter
this update is great and all but I'm worried about how bad it will be to run the client now
left swift
Just get better client
stray oyster
I just successfully pushed the world height to 2048 by modifying three things on the server
Client is capable of 2048
brave radish
is normal MC traffic encrypted, or just auth?
stray oyster
Encrypted after auth
brave radish
Encrypted after auth
huh?
austere ivy
this update is great and all but I'm worried about how bad it will be to run the...
my poor laptop is crying, currently
stray oyster
That was probably a bad way to word it see https://wiki.vg/Protocol_Encryption
austere ivy
oh yes I forgot daily duck pic! would you like me to run outside and snap one for you duck?
hold on give me a second
brave radish
yeah I read that page I just didn't understand it. like are normal things like movement packets and chat encrypted?
cunning raft
every bit of traffic to and from is
brave radish
k
robust tiger
compact pulsar
woven otter
my poor laptop is crying, currently
sounds promising lol
cunning raft
they'll hopefully have 3d viewdistance to handle that
stray oyster
Since Iβve set it to 2048 I can say no they donβt have that just yet
worn ember
Worldgen: aight I'ma head out
cunning raft
is it bottle-necking?
worn ember
I'll neck your bottle
stray oyster
Well my potato canβt cope with 2048 height I have about 3 FPS
ashen cliff
Back to pregenerating we go.
cunning raft
i mean it's still all async
magic river
Oh dear they're going to use raw noise for caves? That's going to look weird
Well, not "raw" but still
stray oyster
raw predictable noise
cunning raft
does the world generator dump chunk sections onto the main thread or does it wait for full chunks?
magic river
Cave generation is the one thing Minecraft did surprisingly well and everyone spent a lot of time trying to figure out so they could copy it
stray oyster
The more open the caves are i guess the less itβs noticeable
stray oyster
What height is that
quasi valley
(that white blob in the sky on the right is the left character)
hexed vine
any1 know where i can get MySQL help?
magic river
Probably #mysql on freenode
hexed vine
freenode?
stray oyster
https://i.imgur.com/i0dw9pX.png
So that is a bug?
cunning raft
so via is going to limit the physical height you can be at?
magic river
IRC
ashen cliff
So that is a bug?
Feature.
worn ember
Could try paper dev if it's mc related
quasi valley
no that's just VB not handling the negative min y
stray oyster
Kenny. This is a feature
quasi valley
not sure I want to make it a bug and handle it or not
stray oyster
We already decided on it. Now ship it
magic river
Oh god a lot of software took advantage of y being a positive number between 0 and 255
stiff yarrow
negative y is probably going to mess with quite a few plugins
worn ember
Oh god a lot of software took advantage of y being a positive number between 0 a...
Me cx
stiff yarrow
surprised they went that route
magic river
For packing x,y,z in to a long
vernal moth
they'll hopefully have 3d viewdistance to handle that
Doubt
Also, world hight performance is mostly a client issue from my testing
stray oyster
The current hard limit is 2048
vernal moth
World gen is fast enough
cunning raft
negative y level was probably better, that way commands don't 100% break with conversions
vernal moth
So is chunk loading
formal turret
mojang packs their coords into longs too in some places
cunning raft
coords still remain absolute which is better
ashen cliff
World gen is fast enough
It's too slow.
https://posili.me/i/2021-02-10_19-37-43.png
magic river
26 bits each for x and z, that leaves 12 bits for y
If 2048 is the max and it can be negative that's exactly 12 bits
I bet that's why 2048 is the limit π
formal turret
you can go to 4096 but i heard someone say the limit is more like 4068
hexed vine
any1 know where i can get mysql help
magic river
If the range is 4096 that's still fine, they can just offset it
formal turret
oh right
quasi valley
26 bits each for x and z, that leaves 12 bits for y
what packet/saving are you talking about?
magic river
If you can go from -4096 to 4095 you need another bit
vernal moth
There are client limits that have issues with above 2048 but that's patchable
quasi valley
they already did that
magic river
afaik the protocol uses chunk coordinates so they can use less bits for x and z
Oh wait, same packet uses block coords too
magic river
Wait, no that uses the position within the chunk
So they never use the global world coords packed like this
Only chunk coordinates and block position within the chunk
void void
magic river
20 bits for section y there means you could have a height of 16 million
void void
Oh
magic river
X and Z are chunk coordinates so +/- 30 million divided by 16, chops 4 bits off the requirements
4 + 4 = 8 and 12 + 8 is 20 π
void void
trying to think of how to do error handling without too much repeated code
tis impossible
spiral robin
try () {
} catch (Exception ignored) {}
warm anchor
This is exciting
spiral robin
@warm anchor
warm anchor
So they just make y go below 0 
@spiral robin good morning aber. I hope your day is great so far 
woven otter
dafuck is dripleaf
warm anchor
@woven otter new block
void void
lol, more talking like (in spring) when you do a lookup in a repository it'll throw a NoSuchElementException. would prefer to throw my own exception with a useful message and properties without having a try catch in every single request
woven otter
void void
lol y-64
warm anchor
Yup yup
tropic flame
warm anchor
@void void thatβs their way to ensured older world can still benefit from the new generation
Kinda cool
void void
oh right that makes sense
warm anchor
Will they just remove bedrock and regenerate all chunks? Thatβs already been generated from y0 to -64
warm anchor
@woven otter maybe they will only generate the small cave if they do decide to change the old one (more work but everything will fit)
woven otter
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
warm anchor
So they will add a bedrock wall? Where old gen meets new? Lol
cunning raft
nobody knows
worthy geode
is the "Caves" world type new? the wiki does not mention it
warm anchor
Itβs gonna be people building void base now in overworld. I can totally see it
XD
YeAh itβs new
worthy geode
works surprisingly well with existing biomes
keen aspen
What are the specifications for server logos?
unreal quarry
What are the specifications for server logos?
distractingly eye catchy so it can blend in with all the others in server lists
dim shadow
What are the specifications for server logos?
128x128 i beleive
vernal bone
server-icon.png π
spare venture
why are so many websites so incompatible with firefox
limber knotBOT
because firefox complies with the web standards
and google says "fuck the standards, we do our own thing"
limber knotBOT
it's "just" a firefox fork Β―_(γ)_/Β―
spare venture
i frequently have to switch to chrome to do stuff
limber knotBOT
you should complain to the website owerns
unkempt drift
inb4 partyrealms in incompatible with firefox π
spare venture
its basically every career/job application website
nah i made it on firefox, so it better be compatible with firefox
limber knotBOT
I hate that browsers can't just behave the same
it's what made me stop persuing web dev lol
spare venture
interesting
spare venture
also why does every employer make you specify 10 times your disability status, veterans status, and ethnicity/gender/race
oh the federal government requires it, nice
unkempt drift
yeah, I was about to say, its probably tax related
limber knotBOT
gotta love that sexism/racism/abelism π
spare venture
they require them to gather demographic data
idk it just gets old filling them out 100 times
unkempt drift
ever since high school I've gotten in the habit of marking prefer not to answer whenever its an option
spare venture
it takes as much work to click prefer not to answer
unkempt drift
not because of the work, but because they dont need to know
stray oyster
also why does every employer make you specify 10 times your disability status, v...
I'm lowkey glad the more personal questions are illegal where I live
unkempt drift
write a program that uses AI to find those questions and answer them automatically. totally wont take more time
just have it learn while you are filling out your apps. then sell it
spare venture
lol
unkempt drift
gigabrain
spare venture
i also love the companies that put listing for "Engineer I" or "Entry Level Engineer" and have 3-5+ years experience required
for those i just apply anyway, and say that my 3 summer internships are 3 years
stray oyster
"You are 22 and have 12 years experience in this field. How is that possible?"
This is a question I was asked some time ago
Broken
spare venture
i just want a damn job
warm anchor
Party
stray oyster
I was just about to blurt: overtime
warm anchor
Make your server big party so it can be your full time job 
spare venture
god no
unkempt drift
ez
spare venture
get paid significantly less for more effort and having to deal with children all the time
also wasting $70k on a degree if that were the case
i would not want that
the thought of running a server as anything other than for fun/hobby makes me want to die
potent fossil
are you looking on indeed bart
cause that thing has an auto application submitter for jobs that support it
all you have to click is 'apply'
vernal moth
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/an-open-letter-change-the-license-of-spigot-obf...
Bets how fast this is gonna be closed?
potent fossil
and it just does it kek
mossy vessel
Imagine being able to submit job applications online π€―
limber knotBOT
"also wasting $70k on a degree if that were the case" what a sunken cost fallacy argument lol
potent fossil
lol myokan
spare venture
and in that case indeed/linkedin cannot fill in signatures/stuff like disabled status
mossy vessel
The few ones I ever handed in always needed to be printed out nicely lol
spare venture
im not sure thats a sunken cost fallacy at all
potent fossil
eh actually i agree with that thread
.taco myokan
oh? word? bot dead
oh nope, just no taco command anymore. tragic
mossy vessel
Checking on people's mutual friends seeing some old friend is worth a smile
potent fossil
pwoxi π₯Ί
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simple π³
potent fossil
im nitroless so i have to use peasant emojis
meager tusk
hello idriz best friend in the entire multiverse ever ?
helo !
potent fossil
π³
meager tusk
oh mappings drama?
potent fossil
yes
meager tusk
πΏπΏπΏπΏπΏπΏ
potent fossil
idriz! π
vernal moth
I doubt md would ban
meager tusk
simple ! β€οΈ
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ive spent a lot more money than i anticipated this month, so no nitro gift for you, simple π
topaz mortar
Heard of the wonderful project paperweight?
vernal moth
I basically encouraged that post ysl
potent fossil
hardfork wen :D
limber knotBOT
gotta love idiots that comment about paper under it which makes the possibility of the suggestion being considered near zero lmao
potent fossil
Jan doesn't care at all, he's banned here
meager tusk
why does md have a hate boner against paper
limber knotBOT
mainly because paper has a hateboner against him/spigot I would assume
vernal moth
gotta love idiots that comment about paper under it which makes the possibility ...
It's jun, he's an idiot
He's also banned here
Jan*
He hates paper
potent fossil
correct
topaz mortar
I basically encouraged that post ysl
Yeah just was braindead. Deleted my comment there. Spigot Mappings for GPL or MIT.
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@meager tusk 
limber knotBOT
spigot isn't even open source so I'm not sure what that post is even talking about lmao
topaz mortar
Yes I was missing the point. Little braindead today. Removed my comment at the forum.
olive garden
make it AGPL
vernal moth
Z brought up that the licence of the mappings already is dubious
limber knotBOT
are the mappings based on teh original CB ones or are they different ones?
vernal moth
Since they fall under cb copyright
And that's owned by mojang? So falls under eula? God knows
Md diffed cb against vanilla to create those mappings phoenix
limber knotBOT
the author always has the copyright anyways, a license can't change that lol
(the author might be a company though)
vernal moth
It's a giant mess
That line just implies all rights reserved which kinda is a licence
vernal moth
There are many reason, lol
limber knotBOT
Spigot project does not contain CB
vernal moth
Md doesn't want you to understand
limber knotBOT
it is patches built on top of CB
the patches are all proprietary
(although I guess one could argue that they might be under the license that the pre-build pre-dmca spigot jar where under but eh)
*was under wat
limber knotBOT
one could also say "fuck copyright, it's not really enforceable on the internet anyways"
zealous wedge
md5 is also in a terrible position to enforce copyright against paper
vernal moth
Another fun idea is that cb is owned by mojang as part of mc and thus falls under eula
π
zealous wedge
considering there are multiple contributors to original Bukkit/CB here who haven't signed the spigot CLA
limber knotBOT
that doesn't change the fact that the code is under LGPL though, Mini
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zml is talking about themselves smh
vernal moth
Yeah, but the mappings are eula maybe?
spiral robin
@zealous wedge @minor badge 
zealous wedge
not just me i don't think?
zealous wedge
but hi proxi
vernal moth
Since they are copyright Bukkit team, and that got signed away to mojang?
limber knotBOT
imo the mappings discussion is pointless anyways
ripe sphinx
@spiral robin 
zealous wedge
maybe amaranth?
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and i believe amaranth contributeD?
limber knotBOT
anybody could just generate them
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yea
spiral robin
@ripe sphinx 
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speaking of
vernal moth
They were never released publicly properly myokan
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@true canyon you are epic 
vernal moth
The file can assert whatever
limber knotBOT
gotta love that the mappings license mess goes back before spigot π
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you existed 
true canyon
β€οΈ
vernal moth
Mbax, what's the licence of cb mappings, is the copyright owned by mojang, and does that mean it falls under eula?
limber knotBOT
actually, wouldn't putting some license onto the mappings now without consent of the original bukkit team members violate their copyrights?
true canyon
Oh Christ
vernal moth
That's the proper response π
true canyon
If I had nitro I'd use one of those rapidly walking away emoji right now.
upper flicker
hahahahahahaha violating the bukkit team members copyrights
we're so far past that
limber knotBOT
so by not putting a license on it one can just assume that no copyright was violated and is still helt by the original authors
true canyon
If I had a dollar for every time my copyright in Bukkit was violated I'd have made enough money to retire.
cunning raft
easier said than done german man
brave radish
Just got here. Seems like phoenix is right. You sue for enough to buy spigot's code under a different license :)
upper flicker
like many game modding communities - the licensing for the Bukkit ecosystem is utterly destroyed
stray oyster
at least it would be
limber knotBOT
also I love that the 1.7.10 decompiled source code is still just sitting there https://github.com/Bukkit/mc-dev π
upper flicker
yes
vernal moth
It's a mojang owned repo phoenix ^^
true canyon
Can't afford a lawyer to deal with anything
zealous wedge
who can lol
limber knotBOT
I realize that, so they basically don't care Β―_(γ)_/Β―
true canyon
phoenix that repository, as stated clearly by Mojang officially, is Mojang's.
Interpret that as you will.
cunning raft
see, this is why we need a new standard, it's gonna be called sponge and everyones going to move to it!
zealous wedge
#nextstep wen
limber knotBOT
s/sponge/glowstone
Correction, <DiscordBot> <06JβRoβy> see, this is why we need a new standard, it's gonna be called glowstone and everyones going to move to it!
runs
upper flicker
their game source is easily available everywhere else
at least that one clearly says its theirs
zealous wedge
"and therefor this code"
upper flicker
Im sure they'd appreciate the help
cunning raft
there is like a lot of bounties on glowstone last time i checked
plucky canopy
Creating memes in photoshop: 
Buying nitro so you can make memes in discord: 
limber knotBOT
they tried to bully me to stop using GPL ;_;
stray oyster
hardfork minecraft ah yes. ToiletPaper
upper flicker
lots of people will
zealous wedge
the problem is you can't contribute to glowstone if you have seen official server
stray oyster
hey that makes me ideal! I hate server code though
plucky canopy
whats glowstone π
upper flicker
from scratch implementation of the mc server and bukkit
plucky canopy
im sorry if this is sm im supposed to know lol
upper flicker
pretty far behind at this point
plucky canopy
open source mc server?
cunning raft
.g glowstone minecraft github
upper flicker
but they've been very busy with irl stuff for forever now
plucky canopy
interesting
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/GlowstoneMC/Glowstone
far behind in vanilla functions, the pure server runs in 1.16.4 afaik
stray oyster
glowstone is where gdude stranded at
plucky canopy
its a pretty ambitious task if you ask me
what's the need for it?
not to be rude
cunning raft
bukkit with sane license
vernal moth
Glowstone is flawed
limber knotBOT
licensing clarity
vernal moth
Since they use Bukkit
plucky canopy
so bukkit, without the mojang part?
cunning raft
sure
stray oyster
its always gonne be flawed as long as it is based on minecraft logic
plucky canopy
fr?
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martin ain't core team fwiw
twin lagoon
proxi 
limber knotBOT
I mean the license of bukkit itself is fine?
cunning raft
the api license isn't as fucked
tropic flame
I'm surprised how CB could become such a clusterfuck of a project regarding to copyright
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michale π³
cunning raft
just CB itself
stray oyster
hi proxi
limber knotBOT
well I don't know your fancy discord roles :P
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hello five 
limber knotBOT
phoenix616: nah, pieces of MC source have been posted publicly
plucky canopy
what's causing the problem tho
upper flicker
a bad start
plucky canopy
is it the difficulty of licensing that kinda stuff or bukkit in general
upper flicker
years of stuff built on that bad start
cunning raft
google it, it's a long story
upper flicker
and then the hostilities that exist
plucky canopy
gotcha
plucky canopy
google it, it's a long story
ah oki, np
plucky canopy
that's sad
limber knotBOT
and it only got worse from there
Basically Bukkit being GPL and CB being LGPL, which are conflicting licenses
plucky canopy
hence the supposed need for Glowstone?
tropic flame
google it, it's a long story
I've googled it quite a lot and i just think this could've been mostly prevented with... using other license?? LOL
limber knotBOT
well, more that bukkit is GPL and the MC server is proprietary
cunning raft
not that easy but sure dude
tropic flame
it's the fact that they decided to pick LGPL
limber knotBOT
wow real galaxy brain thought there logics4
cunning raft
in hindsight everything seems simple
brave radish
this is why we just make everything MIT and get on with it
cunning raft
ok
upper flicker
no thanks
tropic flame
i mean yeah it's easy to talk now that everything's happened
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some of us are pretty big (L/A)GPL fans too :p
limber knotBOT
this has been a known issue since 2011
stray oyster
I welcome Velocity being MIT; would you rather it be AGPL?
limber knotBOT
You'd need to contact dozens and dozens maintainers if you want to relicense bukkit
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and there are BSD fans, CC0 fans, and of course much more
minor badge
I prefer GPLs, Five :p
limber knotBOT
Apache fans crying in the corner
upper flicker
good
limber knotBOT
the licensing situation is "solved" since the use of buildtools/patchers anyways
Also, there is WTFPL which I also like
stray oyster
the unlicense is what I put on all of the things I dont ever want to see again
upper flicker
WTFPL is a bad license for any project bigger than about 4 downloads
limber knotBOT
apache 2 is a good general license
wide chasm
I only use MIT
upper flicker
there's no "as is - don't sue me" clause
wide chasm
Well, and Unlicense, but won't use that in the future
stray oyster
and we are off; https://choosealicense.com who will win?
tropic flame
I welcome Velocity being MIT; would you rather it be AGPL?
mmmm yes, sue everyone with undisclosed private forks
limber knotBOT
loves licensing debates
AGPL is the only safe open source license nowadays anyways
cunning raft
lol
topaz mortar
I like the Don't Be A Dick Public License
ripe sphinx
cunning raft
ok
next frost
I just use all licenses at the same time
limber knotBOT
anythign else will not protect your rights
cunning raft
lol
wide chasm
I don't want rights though
limber knotBOT
It's not just the forks that would be OS, it would also be the backends of every other plugin of Velocity
nah, clearly we need to all use SSPL
wide chasm
Don't sue me, do whatever the fuck you want is the only thing I need
limber knotBOT
wut rites phoenix
AGPL without classpath exception is scary
rite 4 me 2 c all da codez u uze my codez in?
plucky canopy
lol i have no clue what anyone's talking about anymore but cool
limber knotBOT
(but if you want legally sound and are an EU citizen use the EUPL ;D)
tropic flame
(but if you want legally sound and are an EU citizen use the EUPL ;D)
this
limber knotBOT
Ah, never used that one tbh
plucky canopy
im just an owner not a dev