that runs on paper
#general
limpid comet
twin lagoon
a truly epic one
left swift
Gotem
slim nymph
grafana is just the ui to visualize, not storage, influx i think has a ui too but keep storage and ui as separate considerations
spiral robin
autumn glen
Welp, time to attempt logging into discord on a Lenovo smart clock
left swift
untold copper
warm anchor
That sidewalk is like 99.99% of all suburb here
true canyon
I'm not seeing the jump from sidewalk to dum
left swift
Who
visual egret
who is osakr
warm anchor
spiral robin
🤫
untold copper
lol
left swift
plucky canopy
left swift
Deleted it to crop out the ifunny watermark
plucky canopy
exactamundo
waxen panther
still cringe
plucky canopy
I'm the ceo of stealing memes
limpid comet
really good
plucky canopy
it's pretty good
untold copper
anyone else seen it?
plucky canopy
you're a bit late but that's okay
limpid comet
my friend loves it
plucky canopy
the latest episode was bombb
it got way better
the first two episodes are okay, but that's only bc you don't know anything
(unless you know the comics or wtv)
but the latest one? man it was good
can't wait for next week
worn crest
Oof prob. today migrating from a vserver to a dedicated for two month and then the same twice from dedicated to vserver cause it geht's better hardware
limpid comet
what
worn crest
Yeah ._.
autumn glen
Ok I finally was able to open a browser window on the smart clock, now I need to copy paste worlds off of google and its site components to type
Type in discord and then imma scan qr code to login via clock
trim raptor
Anyone have suggestions on dealing with bot attacks? We have tcp shield and have done everything we can think of. They are using a bot net, every one has it's own IP
left swift
Online mode true?
visual egret
hm there was some good anti bot plugin i saw
left swift
Do you have ur backend servers setup properly so people cant connect to them directly
trim raptor
Yes, they are going through the bungeecord
left swift
Could try bungeeguard if you dont gave access to the firewall
trim raptor
It's on a dedi, we have full access
autumn glen
another dedi user
visual egret
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/2ls-antibot-the-ultimate-antibot-plugin.62847/ looks decent, and ive heard some good things about https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/⚡-botsentry-⚡-the-best-antibot-plugin-bot-attacks-mitigated-in-seconds-bungee-spigot-velocity.55924/
trim raptor
We average 40 players about this time
50 additional people just happened to show up and join at the exact same tine and stand still?
visual egret
i think i know a simple way to fix that
trim raptor
Idk what they do but once connected they start to drag down performance bad. Taking down only the bungeecord itself
Because on a normal situation, we have no problem handling 90+ players
autumn glen
Increase max joins per tick?
trim raptor
We have connections per second low to prevent dos attacks
visual egret
you already have tcpshield
trim raptor
Yep
visual egret
that prevents dos attacks doesent it
plucky canopy
Anyone have suggestions on dealing with bot attacks? We have tcp shield and have...
would I be dumb suggesting you just route to cloudflare?
plucky canopy
idk i've never gotten attacked b4 lol
plucky canopy
since theres tcpshield
gotcha
autumn glen
I did get attacked with like 100gbps once, I didnt have any protection so it was an 8 day long problem :/
trim raptor
We get attacked a lot
limpid comet
Tcpshield isn't gonna stop players from connecting
visual egret
any particular reason why @trim raptor
golden gust
is 25565 exposed to ALL, or, just tcpshield?
autumn glen
Lol is it an anarchy server?
visual egret
no doesnt look like that from his yt channel
plucky canopy
We get attacked a lot
f
golden gust
tcpshield will only save you as much as people don't know the backend IP, which given that there are tools out there scanning the web 24/7, you know 🤷♂️
trim raptor
We were down dor like 5 months and I announced a come back and even before launching we were getting attacked daily
trim raptor
$500 a month in server costs will do that
visual egret
🤷
trim raptor
Plus $100 for tcp shield
trim raptor
Plus the $900 down payment to the developer yesterday
visual egret
do you use an anti vpn?
trim raptor
Antivpn doesn't see them
visual egret
i think i know a somewhat meh way to help
autumn glen
Plus the $900 down payment to the developer yesterday
God that's so much
trim raptor
It was a little over $2000 out of pocket to bring us back after being down
woven otter
with minecraft "stress testing" services it's kinda bad
trim raptor
Yeah, its bs
visual egret
@trim raptor i have an idea; make a catchpa server, make users do the catchpa, if its sucessful you should be able to mitigate the bots, only having those backend servers hit
void void
tcpshield will only save you as much as people don't know the backend IP, which ...
it's not that easy. The plugin (more or less) prevents port scanning by dropping every connection except those originating from TCPShield
visual egret
and connect users to legit servers after they finish the catchpa
trim raptor
Doesn't work like that
golden gust
the plugin
Soooo... instead of dealing with it on the firewall, they actually have to open a connection to the server which needs to be fully established before they can be told to fuck off...
trim raptor
Bots never make it past the hub anyway. Whole network goes down
untold copper
antibotdeluxe was a good antibot
visual egret
instead of bungeecord/waterfall
golden gust
velocity will only save your ass so much
untold copper
velocity just a fork of bungeecord right?
golden gust
the general issue is the number of connections in general
no
forking bungee would be dumb
void void
Soooo... instead of dealing with it on the firewall, they actually have to open ...
yeah, a firewall is still ideal but the connection is dropped directly after the handshake is received, so no egress except ACK is produced. also no server-specific data gets "leaked"
untold copper
oh
visual egret
golden gust
The TCP connection still needs to be fully established
It's doing much more work than it needs to
void void
yeah, i'm pretty aware of that.
void void
pretty much stops you from backend-scanning though
visual egret
@trim raptor have you used a packet monitor?
maybe that could help to see whats making it lag
trim raptor
Oh that would probably help a lot
unreal pike
Does inceasing or decreasing plant growth speed help with piston farm lag?
unreal pike
dunno on the optimization guide it said to
unreal pike
im running a dedicated server and one guy running farms destroys tps
limber knotBOT
such is life
hmm
I wonder if we could shard a survival server based on farms hmmm
limber knotBOT
cuz like, the farm doesn't care about what's outside of it, and nobody cares about the farm
unreal pike
worldedit the farm out <:kekwhyper:674093681904713729>
yeah im gonna do that lol
warm anchor
I will worldedit you out Oskar 
visual egret
i will worldedit your island out eternity
left swift
Oskar is like fawe
visual egret
producing constant exceptions
left swift
Hey robo
ashen cliff
Just give them a full terminal?
limber knotBOT
nah
ashen cliff
There are.
limber knotBOT
even if I did do a full terminal
it's just mostly a bot that adds a key
so it's a backdoor for later
I want actual ppl doin stuff
btw where's ur reverse shell plogen
ashen cliff
Just give them more time.
limber knotBOT
am want
it's been two weeks, so unless you can find something in the logs I have: http://mlg.robomwm.com:6783
left swift
Mlg
ashen cliff
That better be a ip grabber.
limber knotBOT
every website is an ip grabber
limpid comet
okim back wha did i miss
visual egret
you missed a p2w server complaining about botting but thats about it blue
spiral robin
bluely u look so cute today xoxo
visual egret
blue uwu
limber knotBOT
oh is that who it was
limpid comet
u better not havej ust said the forbidden 3 letter face at me oskar
limber knotBOT
eula-breaking complaining about bots lul
Almost pinged RoboMWM on Discord, then remembered I can bother him better on irc
It's better if you do anyways
limpid comet
feels good
spiral robin
gm dejay 
ashen cliff
ashen cliff
Just get better specs Robo.
limber knotBOT
Idk why I couldn't find any
limber knotBOT
where ur remote shell plogen krusic
ashen cliff
We don't do that here.
limber knotBOT
i want
i need
My SSHD jail has 2640 banned
s/2640/2640 IPs
Correction, <dejay> My SSHD jail has 2640 IPs banned
wen u gonna release anti vpn db on that
anyways the one useful thing about that honeypot is I can see all of the common username/passwords they use
get a nice db of those
fail2ban doesn't expose that to me but I think that would be... cool
Setup a fake wordpress login page
spiral robin
warm anchor
Wow 200 iq play
limber knotBOT
bonus points if I can add them to a fail2ban list after they "login"
ashen cliff
Robo you actually had some real people connect to your trashcan.
warm anchor
Lol
limber knotBOT
what real people
they lasted more than 0 seconds?
I'll record any useful tty sessions if they had any
ashen cliff
After their scripts deposited keys (with known payloads), you have some of them reconnecting and running other commands.
limber knotBOT
reconnects hmm
ashen cliff
Nope.
limber knotBOT
but is it also scripted reconnects? anyways give me a search string
limber knotBOT
yea I've seen that key everywhere
I want to abuse whois and find if any of these ips are american I will tell on them
ashen cliff
Usually reporting abuse to providers does nothing.
So you just keep spamming them, till it does.
visual egret
windows defender detects linux malware 👀
limber knotBOT
wut u doin
and it seems at least two of those rdp honeypots are high interaction/mitm only
2 lazy to set that up
yea all three appear to be that, with the first one being an entire management tool
would be curious to see what rdp people do, or if they're just validating credentials and nothing else
This is good data.
Mostly DigitalOcean
A lot of DigitalOcean.
34.74.16.90: GOOGLE, US (US)
O_O
gcp, prolly
void void
Hello.
Anyone using dynmap here? Which storage method is the best? Filetree / SQLite / MySQL? Performance impact, speed, file size etc. I have a dedicated server.
visual egret
dynmap
runs
limber knotBOT
storage method doesn't really matter as much as the web server
if you're looking for max speed
minor badge
hey dejay uwu
twin lagoon
proxi 
spiral robin
limber knotBOT
Hi proxi : )
limber knotBOT
hmm maybe rdpy is a medium interaction, hm
visual egret
why is there a space before the "."
cunning raft
what are you going to do with the answer
minor badge
what are you going to do with the answer .
twin lagoon
@minor badge awa
warm anchor
I guess you can say Oskar is trying to connect . the dot .
limber knotBOT
s// .
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minor badge
thank you scissors
twin lagoon
minor badge
😔
worn ember
birds poop and pee together, very cool
clever widget
H
cedar spade
Uh
visual egret
birb
clever widget
help i am dehydrated
visual egret
drink wasser
clever widget
i cant
warm anchor
birds poop and pee together, very cool
Unsubscribe
visual egret
trinken wasser
clever widget
the school in its infininte wisdom closed all the water fountians
so now i have no access to water
for another like 2 hrs
limber knotBOT
you don't bring water to school with you...?
clever widget
i forgot
wraith trail
thats probably against some code somewhere
limber knotBOT
👀
clever widget
its for cOrOnA viRuS sAftEY!11!!
visual egret
because
limber knotBOT
water fountains are probably against some code in germany lol, feels like that would be unhygienic af
visual egret
it kinda is
wraith trail
when I was in grade school the water main froze and they closed school, didnt just keep us there with no water
well yeah not water fountains but sinks where you can fill your bottle
warm anchor
I mean bathroom still works 
limber knotBOT
we didn't really have those either. I guess there were sinks for cleaning but I don't think anyone wanted to drink from them 👀
wraith trail
actually my school did have water fountains, but everyone used this one sink
vernal moth
water fountains are probably against some code in germany lol, feels like that w...
Water fountains do exist here tho
clever widget
ICH
limber knotBOT
not in any of my schools then 👀
wraith trail
did you just bring one big bottle and drink it for the whole day?
clever widget
the one day i FORGET it
wraith trail
that would get lukewarm and taste gross
limber knotBOT
might've been because they were old buildings under monument protection
basically, yes
clever widget
paper mick
vernal moth
Fun fact about water: because nobody is in our offices rn, we have ppl going around and opening all water outlets for like an hour so the pipes don't clock up or develop human life or whatever
limber knotBOT
I usually drank a 20ct 1.5l cola bottle on my last years
vernal moth
Living the healthy life style, lmao
clever widget
i never drink much water
limber knotBOT
16 year old me didn't care 👀
clever widget
or anything
vernal moth
I only drink water
Or alc, lmao
I only drink Softdrinks in like a hookah bar or smth
clever widget
i havent had anything to drink since 9 last night..... its 2.....
vernal moth
Or at an resterants
wraith trail
yeah same haven't had soft drinks since I was a kid
limber knotBOT
yeah, I mostly only drink that stuff with friends nowadays. good way to to live healthier (and not wate money)
visual egret
wen spigot go down
limber knotBOT
ahktually, bukkit != Craftbukkit
vernal moth
Wen hop
waxen panther
how is a_boi still here
limber knotBOT
well they're all high interaction, but rdpy can also replay back in rdp so that's kewl lol
unkempt drift
#WenHop!
limber knotBOT
rdp with no credentials to my box to see a fun short lil rdp session playback
visual egret
i hav plugin 4 bukkit 1.8.9 were is 1.8.9 paprrspigot
clever widget
IS THAT A IS THERE IS
warm anchor
visual egret
hi eternity uwu
void void
Yo
spiral robin
Hello.
minor badge
@warm anchor 
visual egret
paper anti xray is being weird again smh
woven otter
slim nymph
that would get lukewarm and taste gross
you really cant drink warm water? whats wrong with your water if the flavor is changing by temp
waxen panther
warm water is disgusting
spiral robin
Someone ban aikar
slim nymph
water is water
ashen cliff
Is air water?
limber knotBOT
where is ur reverse shell
wraith trail
oh I drink warm water all the time, just nicer to have it cold. When I was in grade school I had a smaller bottle and would fill it in the middle of the day
meager tusk
I drink my water ice cold after chewing a piece of mint gum.
visual egret
i wish cloudlfare let me curl jar files
limpid comet
room temp water is fucking alpha
wraith trail
what do you mean oskar
visual egret
instead i have to upload them to discord and curl them from that link
wraith trail
cloudflare is not blocking anythign there
golden gust
That's not a CF thing
visual egret
because spigotmc hates curl
golden gust
that's a "spigot intentionally blocks automated access"
wraith trail
it would be the user configuring cloudflare/their backends
golden gust
paper uses cloudflare...
limpid comet
wait
visual egret
👀 then what is this
wraith trail
oskar thats just how spigot has it set up
visual egret
it doesent??????!!??!?
limber knotBOT
a reason why bukkitdev is better
limpid comet
that's spigot telling cloudflare to block auto access
wraith trail
attempting to block automated access is in no way inherent to cloudflare
visual egret
a reason why bukkitdev is better
bukkitdev does the same
limpid comet
never change
limber knotBOT
no they don't
ashen cliff
_I'm not talking to you till you tell me where you got the 5950X dedicated machine. _
minor badge
/epic
ashen cliff
Very epic.
visual egret
no they don't
limpid comet
_I'm not talking to you till you tell me where you got the 5950X dedicated machi...
oh yea 5950x is just slang for E3-1231v3
ashen cliff
Understandable.
limpid comet
keep up with the times gramps 😒
ashen cliff
On the other hand you get rekt by CloudFlare and the download link itself: https://posili.me/i/2021-02-02_20-48-05.png
limpid comet
oskar that latest link proxies to the cdn
golden gust
CloUDFLaRe iS BaD bECaUSe PeoPLe cONfIGurE iT tO bLOck aUtoMatEd aCceSs tO thEiR SiTEs
limpid comet
just download from the cdn
visual egret
engine-mode: 2 moment
limpid comet
^ first thing im doing when we get the 5950x
waxen panther
whats the new hip™️ and cool™️ ci these days
visual egret
github actions
olive marlin
Jenkins is all in one - it's easy to setup. But it's a nightmare to maintain and work with anything even remotely more complex.
limpid comet
whats the altenrairvdr
olive marlin
So far I'm enjoying Concourse, but it definitely needs more work to setup (since you need HashiVault or some other secret storage backend etc).
ashen cliff
TeamCity, but they give you cancer links.
olive marlin
I heard TeamCity is nice. But I was unable to do even basic builds with it for some reason :/
vernal bone
Hello Paper members! 👀
mossy vessel
TC can be pretty resource heavy
ashen cliff
Look at this BS: https://ci.enginehub.org/repository/download/bt11/17152:id/worldguard-bukkit-7.0.5-SNAPSHOT-dist.jar?branch=master&guest=1
mossy vessel
TC
ashen cliff
Do you really need a : and a ? in your link?
mossy vessel
lol
golden gust
tbqh, all of the CI systems kinda blow ass
golden gust
most of the code repo tools added their own impls, and there are some pros there in terms of not having to mess around hooking your projects into jenkins and setting it up, just, now you gotta learn a whole new system
olive marlin
Yeah. I wish there was a decent CI/CD system.
olive marlin
Also, almost everything is YAML based. And I'm sick of everything using YAML.
vernal moth
I like stuff like gitlab ci and github actions
Just gimme docker files and shell scripts with easy caching and am happy
visual egret
can a amour stand hold water 🤔
olive marlin
One of the problem with most, at least managed, CI systems is they don't let you cache docker build cache.
I remember writing like over 100 lines of YAML functions in order to be able to cache it and speed up builds.
minor badge
So far I'm enjoying Concourse, but it definitely needs more work to setup (since...
I like Drone; has secrets built-in
Drone is also easy to cache builds with
but it doesn't have an artifacts store so you gotta use GH releases on tags or something (which i mean is fine...)
olive marlin
I remember looking at Drone, but don't remember why I did rule it out.
I don't mind not having artifacts store. Plan on pushing the artifacts to S3/GCS/B2 or maybe some self-hosted thing.
But need to figure out how to rotate the artifacts etc, if I'll need to.
minor badge
luckily pretty easy w concourse & docker cause you can just use some private docker repo for them
olive marlin
Yeah.
minor badge
or even make it public but env var config
olive marlin
I'll figure out when I have a bit more time.
Still need to write a password store <-> HashiVault syncer. I don't trust myself with critical data and vault cli is a pain to use.
So want to keep everything in password store and just sync it to vault.
vernal moth
If you gotta use github releases for aritfscts anyways, why not just use github ci?
limber knotBOT
github releases
vernal moth
Hashicorp vault is nice
olive marlin
If you want to build something else?
minor badge
no minutes limit on selfhosted ci lol
minor badge
I am doing most of my OSS stuff on GH Actions tho
for stuff that is also private, i like drone
limber knotBOT
I just throw shit at my jenkins until it sticks
olive marlin
I want to eventually automate deployments etc. through it.
Hmm, cloud actually doesn't look so horrible.
limber knotBOT
thanks, I thought I missed that already lol
twin lagoon
f
cunning raft
they stuck the landing!
limber knotBOT
oof
cunning raft
live GME re-enactment
visual egret
making the aether portal
cant wait until this is fully released
also cant wait until someone replies "ok"
void void
spacex moment
olive marlin
Hmm, cloud actually doesn't look so horrible.
It looks overcomplicated. I think I'm going back to ACF lol
cunning raft
spacex is really good at rapid unscheduled disassembly
void void
sn10 just chilling there is hilarious
limber knotBOT
god, rewatching it I can feel the moment that people went "oh shit"
woven otter
also cant wait until someone replies "ok"
ok
vernal moth
That is actually how it's supposed to look
Just a few meters higher and with a second engine ^^
Spacex is always going for suicide burns
Which is why ppl criticise them
Vs blue Origin who try to do a hover
Which costs wwaaaayyyy more fuel
limber knotBOT
I mean, if they get it right then it will be cheap af
also I wouldn't be surprised if they just want to collect tons of data and run some machine learning algo other it lmao
limber knotBOT
really? Oo
limpid comet
@vernal moth do you think they'll be able to consistently get suicide burns down
unkempt drift
they have already
with the boosters of the falcon 9
those suicide burns have to be super accurate cause the falcon 9 can't actually hover, even with only 1/9 engines running at lowest throttle
starship is able to hover, its just not efficient to
visual egret
wtf bukkit forums
hollow jetty
I want to test my server. Is there anyone who can launch a bot for testing purposes. I do not know much.
vernal moth
Yeah spacex just needs enough data and the raptors need to get reliable
limber knotBOT
oh right, EnderSignal isn't a Projectile
visual egret
oh right, EnderSignal isn't a Projectile
any way to do it then?
limber knotBOT
just listen on the right click I guess
visual egret
ok
waxen panther
It looks overcomplicated. I think I'm going back to ACF lol
the example is more complex than it needs to be
it's more verbose than acf but you can use builders instead of annotations if you want
waxen panther
you can use annotations too
true canyon
That post is nearly half your age, oskar! Look for more updated answers to things 😛
limber knotBOT
mfw the CEO of scaleways followed me because I replied to one of their tweets -.-
waxen panther
very flex !
woven otter
lol
waxen panther
bill gates follows me also
visual egret
That post is nearly half your age, oskar! Look for more updated answers to thing...
...
limber knotBOT
gotta love follow bots: https://is.papr.best/gnjtkp1z.png
olive marlin
But I'm looking in general at cloud for doing a simple command and can't figure it out. And the Discord link is for IS etc.
At least I managed to get to documentation just now, maybe it'll be clearer lol
limber knotBOT
I should really abstract out my way of handling commands into a library so I can link it in cases like this 👀
woven otter
no linking for you
olive marlin
I need a simple command with no arguments (for now). So this is complete overkill. Just wanted to see if cloud is a worthy replacement for ACF.
limber knotBOT
why would you use a framework for that? lol
olive marlin
I will want to (slightly) complicate it in the future.
And just wanted to look at minimal cloud setup.
If I'll like it, I'll use it in more complex plugins later.
If I won't, I'll stick to my ACF abstraction.
Also, never really understand what's the difference between using PaperCommandManager vs Brigadier one.
waxen panther
brig has client side validations and coloured arguments
but if you're just doing a no arg command it wont matter
olive marlin
But I can also use Paper command manager with commodore.
limber knotBOT
most players wont care anyways, as long as it isn't red when they type the command they are fine
waxen panther
the paper command manager supports brig and commodore yes
commodore lets you use brig on versions that paper didnt have the event for
spiral robin
ur so smart brocc xoxo
waxen panther
i've had a bad start to this apex season 
olive marlin
Oh, I see. So if I have paper 1.15+, it can use brigadier.
olive marlin
Only care about latest 😛
spiral robin
didnt lucko (
) make commodore
olive marlin
Yeah.
spiral robin
that man is a genius
spiral robin
master of code design imo
golden gust
much more respectable than that myles guy
limpid comet
that who guy
visual egret
who owns papermc twitter 👀
spiral robin
probably kashike
limpid comet
me
spiral robin
or bluely
golden gust
that horrible dude
limpid comet
i killed kashike in minecraft i now own paper
topaz mortar
Wasn't myles the original via person?
golden gust
Yes
limpid comet
cat r u being funny or do u hate him
golden gust
and per-world plugins
Such horror
asking a brit if he's being funny or hates somebody
limpid comet
i just assumed you lived in the internet
visual egret
ass-pressure
hmmm
i noticed that bukkit.org has been lagging today
spigot has also been lagging a bit
mossy vessel
🆗
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel 
topaz mortar
and papermc will be down in 4 hours for 30 mins.
olive marlin
@waxen panther Are the javadocs not being updated or something?
true canyon
i noticed that bukkit.org has been lagging today
I assume at this point it's all running on a VPS with 128mb ram
waxen panther
they should be, these ones https://javadoc.commandframework.cloud/
olive marlin
Oh, nevermind. Wasn't finding Paper command manager at first. Thought it's outdated just like README is lol
mossy vessel
I assume at this point it's all running on a VPS with 128mb ram
On yours? 
true canyon
Nope! Nothing to do with management there since 2014 and never any control over software/hardware since that was all Curse
I like the part where it throws a database error trying to load a lot of old thread's first pages (but works for subsequent pages)
olive marlin
You can read more about this in section 3.6.
Section 3.6 be like:
waxen panther
vivid ivy
waxen panther
Yep
i mean if you have an questions you can ask in incendo, most of it is pretty easy
i hate annotaitons so idrk how to use them but city would help
olive marlin
Incendo is not IS, right?
olive marlin
Then why you link to IS guild?
waxen panther
where
olive marlin
olive marlin
I guess I'll go asking questions there and stop filling this chat with some stupid command framework.
void void
does anyone know why gamerule forgivedeadplayers set to false and universalanger set to true makes endermen have no ai (they do not attack you)?
i think it's a bug
whether it's in paper or in vanilla server software
limber knotBOT
This looks like a pretty strange issue
short yarrow
Have you guys ever used Optional for a class field? I've been reading around and it seems like it should only be used for methods.
olive garden
*return values
short yarrow
yeah returns values
pearl ibex
Just came back and now there's a politics channel. xD
short yarrow
Man I really like optional. Now I don't know if I should have a field be null or just an empty default object
old hornet
hello, is there some way o download paper 1.8.9?
waxen panther
I have the fields as null
golden gust
there was no .9, that was just a client release
waxen panther
and then do Optional.ofNullable
old hornet
there was no .9, that was just a client release
where can i find paper 1.8?
mossy vessel
potent fossil
nmf <3
mossy vessel
simple 
waxen panther
nmf i hateu
spiral robin
nmf 
olive marlin
NMF and his hundreds of domains for every occasion.
short yarrow
Ahh Optional.ofNullable. Is this how you use it?
public Optional<SomeClass> getSomeClass() {
return Optional.ofNullable(someClass);
}
Yea
waxen panther
np! ^^
mossy vessel
NMF and his hundreds of domains for every occasion.
Welcome to my hodgepodge/hotchpotch of domains :P
aber 
mossy vessel
Former so cat can understand it as well
spiral robin
sim ple !
mossy vessel
simple, support me https://notmyfault.wine/ 🥺
visual egret
Whats something that stacks to 16 but cant be used
void void
so no one is gonna comment on the fact that if you download the latest paper jar run a server and set the gamerules endermen will have no ai...
spiral robin
simple, support me https://notmyfault.wine/ 🥺
how close are you to $10 a month
nevermind
mossy vessel
0%
spiral robin
i see it
mossy vessel
😂
olive marlin
Whats something that stacks to 16 but cant be used
All items can be used, so idk what you mean.
quick pasture
so no one is gonna comment on the fact that if you download the latest paper jar...
if you can trace it back to really being paper, open a github issue ig
mossy vessel
I set up my sponsors dashboard so I can sponsor others tho lol
olive marlin
If you can reproduce it on new paper server without anything, GH issue is the best thing to do. Wit hexact reproduction steps.
golden gust
We can't comment on it because we've never heard of it
make sure that you're actually within the activation range of the endermen, outside of that, literally no idea, I got no idea how gamerules would tie into endermen having AI or not
void void
whats the difference between tuinity and paper
spiral robin
nmf 
olive marlin
TIL: Gradle shadow jar plugin adds knows tasks. gradle knows.
void void
github is microsoft, i don't want to have an account there, i am just saying that there is 100% an issue and anyone can reproduce it
olive marlin
What are EXACT reproduction steps?
golden gust
We don't know, somebody would need to go out of their way to test it
mossy vessel
nmf <a:aPES_Cuddle:518369505504657408>
golden gust
Which, the expectation that we're gonna stop what we're doing right now to test some random bug which we've neither heard of or even sounds remotely possible with how it works is flawed
void void
What are EXACT reproduction steps?
mkdir iwastesting
wget https://papermc.io/api/v2/projects/paper/versions/1.16.5/builds/457/downloads/paper-1.16.5-457.jar
mv paper* iwastesting
nano eula.txt -> eula = true
start the server
gamerule forgivedeadplayers false
gamerule universalanger true
and test it
by hitting an enderman
spare venture
i'll test this right now 🙂
void void
will not attack tyou back
topaz mortar
Turns out you're in creative. 
void void
would be funny but no
olive marlin
It's true lol
It doesn't attack me. When I went ahead at looked at it, it made sound and came to me, but didn't attack.
It has AI, just doesn't attack.
void void
works on any difficulty
mossy vessel
@spiral robin 
spare venture
what do you mean by has no AI?
olive marlin
I'll create issue on GH when I get to where it is.
spare venture
i can confirm it screeches
olive marlin
Party it moves just fine, but doesn't attack me.
spare venture
how do you punch an enderman without looking at him
void void
looking at the legs like he has a sharingan
true canyon
Don't make eye contact. Act like me in middle school.
golden gust
stares at mbax deeply
olive marlin
Works on vanilla, doesn't on Paper.
spare venture
all other AI seems to work
olive marlin
Yeah.
olive garden
let's call this a feature
spare venture
i'll make the github issue if it hasn't been made
olive marlin
I'll check Spigot.
spare venture
ah yeah
olive garden
talking about features, what does "universalanger" do?
spare venture
makes pigmen mad i assume
olive marlin
Party you can make issue while I build Spigot.
olive marlin
I'll add comment with it.
Yeah, I have command which builds it in docker cause I ain't letting it fuck with my configs again.
spare venture
@olive marlin @void void https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/5155
there ya go
olive marlin
Still compiling xD
golden gust
I'd like to interject by blaming billy
true canyon
I'd like to second this.
golden gust
Too busy to even look, but, just.. erm...
spare venture
i just reported it because I didn't want to see a bug just be forgotten about, atleast have it documented
olive marlin
And have it closed in 2 months by stale bot
golden gust
all bow down to stale bot
void void
<@!209234044657991680> <@456226577798135808> <https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/i...
thank
vernal moth
Hacker news is weird
Some discussion about Jeff stepping down from Amazon
And in the comments, amazon employee number 2 shows up
He has last talked to Jeff 20 years ago, lmao
olive marlin
@void void @spare venture Bukkit issue.
mossy vessel
;3
olive marlin
Will add that to ticket and report on Spigot Jira, If I'll find my password lol
rare otter
@twin lagoon Good Michael since the last time you recommended the infra-1 we have opened new modalities and we are running short of ram you say that the infra-4 is a good dedicated for more modalities. ?
limber knotBOT
good michael
rare otter
We have 2 survival with 200 people, skyblock and skywars.
waxen panther
good micheal
limber knotBOT
bad broccolai
potent fossil
i assume this person is not native english, so modality would aptly describe "a different way of playing" or yes a game mode
u n00bs
potent fossil
.g define modality
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/modality
.u modality
useless
limpid comet
>good micheal
cute michael
limber knotBOT
dum blue
potent fossil
modality => of or being modal
modal => of or relating to modality
anyway the way i see it is modality's root is mode so the idea of being modal is the idea of many modes
spiral robin
shut
potent fossil
in this context, game modes
waxen panther
anyway basically in this context simple is super fuckin cute .
limber knotBOT
yes, in this cone text
potent fossil
:o
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
WSL
spare venture
lol
limpid comet
holy shit
i dont think i can use wsl though
one sec
can i run docker through wsl poggily
potent fossil
yes
dockers for windows will utilize wsl2 if it's installed
dockers
fuckin idiot simple
limber knotBOT
like sneakers
waxen panther
docker 😷
spiral robin
waxen panther
Aber 
olive marlin
Now that that issue is sorted... Back to fighting with Cloud.
olive marlin
You can access Windows stuff at the same time?
limpid comet
cant ctrlv in wsl terminal
spare venture
what did you expect
olive marlin
Can't you change the WSL terminal to the Windows Terminal or whatever?
potent fossil
yes
spiral robin
iterm 2 
potent fossil
and you can ctrl+v in windows terminal just fine
limpid comet
the windows "u cant do this" chime triggers a negative emotional reaction deep within my soul
potent fossil
lol
cunning raft
the windows "u cant do this" chime triggers a negative emotional reaction deep w...
right click
limpid comet
yea i kknow
cunning raft
or shift+insert
rare otter
Michael having the infra-2 as dedicated to have a network with more than 15 functional games which dedicated would you recommend?
limpid comet
depends on what those games are
spiral robin
crashcasino 
spiral robin
ok yes!
olive marlin
Having worked mostly with Rust the past couple of weeks, going back to java compilers feels like a major step back.
golden gust
pros of using a relational database: relations
cons of using a relational database: writing joins
goes to read the docs to remember how to do joins
sand epoch
yeah it's dumb, but if you install docker desktop for windows, it'll run in wsl2 anyway
viral hornet
make public plugin with me
🥺
mossy vessel
No
vestal jasper
they sell 4x stuffed oreos, which means you can stack two of those and get 8x stuffed oreos
it's only time before they sell 8x's
mossy vessel
How about paying me and I make you no plogin?
mossy vessel
Do you have a subscription at an online liquor shop?
cunning raft
make UltraFlyCommandProX+Renewed
mossy vessel
No? Shut up then
vestal jasper
do you drink the liquor?
mossy vessel
No, it's for the flowers
vestal jasper
I bet they grow wonderfully
mossy vessel
😂
red lintel
I forgot, whats the best option for server hosting
vestal jasper
yes
true canyon
There is no "best" option, just a lot of good options and then an even bigger pile of terrible ones 😄
viral hornet
(optionally pay us)
too broke sorry
viral hornet
plucky canopy
the windows "u cant do this" chime triggers a negative emotional reaction deep w...
lmAO same
waxen panther
windows
using
limber knotBOT
just import a windows 7/vista or XP or 98 sound pack
or make your own and upload vid
limber knotBOT
who needs dashboards wen we aint gonna see it
waxen panther
finally
tropic flame
limpid comet
i think this is more of a docker networking sucks and everything is terrible thing
limber knotBOT
y u usin docker
limpid comet
to run grafana and influx
limber knotBOT
grafana's just a web thingy afaik
limpid comet
no?
limber knotBOT
yall should delete ur dumcord tho
spare venture
the mass effect remaster... oml
worn ember
grafana's just a web thingy afaik
i run grafana in docker too tbh
worn ember
to run grafana and influx
we are the same
spare venture
why
worn ember
why not
spare venture
extra effort
worn ember
WAD
spare venture
I wish I knew what that meant
spare venture
Yes
limber knotBOT
wii channel
magic river
What's wrong with webp?
red lintel
if so, any recommend for hosting?
ashen cliff
golden gust
Monkey, how are you hosting the mysql server?
sacred bone
@golden gust Thru my linode ?
golden gust
don't ping
sacred bone
sorry
golden gust
df -h ?
potent fossil
inb4 out of disk space
potent fossil
he asked for a command output
magic river
If you're out of disk space you need to buy something with more disk space
Or delete something else
potent fossil
that was a guess, we dont know for sure until he sends us the df -h lol
limpid comet
@spiral robin POKEMNO CARDS CAME IN
spiral robin
pog
limpid comet
ill snap u when my phone charges
waxen panther
what about me .
spiral robin
he is in luckypermission after dark group
cosmic raft
@potent fossil @spiral robin help
potent fossil
wat
spiral robin
hi
spiral robin
subway
potent fossil
subway
cosmic raft
ok
spiral robin
that will be 2 cat emojis each
potent fossil
hotdog from five guys
cant believe that was a fucking option 
cosmic raft
why wouldn't it be
cosmic raft
that will be 2 cat emojis each
🐈
lean kiln
5 guys is so greasy wtf
cosmic raft
hotdogs aren't
cunning raft
they're not even related
spiral robin
i got five guys 3 times this week 
cosmic raft
i cannot eat their fries
and i dunno about their burgers
subway ordered
footlong italian bmt on toasted italian herb and cheese bread with extra pepperoni, lettuce, green pepper, red onion, salt and pepper, garlic aioli sauce
spiral robin
good choice
merry cave
anyone know why worldguard flag exit isn't stopping players from trying to leave region?
cosmic raft
order is being picked up aber
spiral robin
excellent
magic river
So yeah, out of disk space
potent fossil
lol
limpid comet
@spiral robin do i send to luckyperms or will everyone think im cringe
cosmic raft
food is here @potent fossil @spiral robin
potent fossil
worn ember
wat
spiral robin
Excellent
merry cave
anyone, know why players can exit a region that has worldguard exit set to deny
magic river
Isn't there something in the WG config to make it listen to movement events?
Since that tanks performance
golden gust
Yea, on by default but can be disabled iirc
magic river
I might be thinking of a different plugins, it's been a while 😛
worn ember
only used naudio once a long time ago 
cant you use separate instances?
ill take donations
worn ember
cant really help you tbh, its been years since i used it
waxen panther
gg
waxen panther
what
cunning raft
looks like someone forgot to remove part of the message
waxen panther
gg
cunning raft
"How about:"
waxen panther
whats the content release about too
coarse lily
That's like the birthday cake that says "Make it say Welcome back Dave"
quick pasture
potent fossil
Sounds like you've got yourself a saucy race condition
plucky canopy
anyone here have the slightest familiarity in python?
peak ginkgo
@plucky canopy
I'm using math.remainder(x,y) but for some reason x % y has a very different output
% is mod
plucky canopy
I'm using math.remainder(x,y) but for some reason x % y has a very different output
peak ginkgo
Math.remainder is division
peak ginkgo
I lkove teaching people the difference