general

[spare venture]

[visual egret]

ur point being

[spare venture]

I remember being 13 and being reaaaally stupid, so I assume all 13 year olds are

[visual egret]

ok

but whats @cunning raft trying to say

[potent fossil]

[visual egret]

jroy is boomer

[signal hill]

hello

[visual egret]

heyyy

[analog steppe]

What's a good in-memory data table library?

[visual egret]

sqlite?

[analog steppe]

Almost like an SQL table, but in memory, anyone knows?

Easy to use, I don't want to mess with strings, its for logging and debugging.

table.add("entity", 23, 10, 235, "world_name", time);

entry = table.get(index=1, "entity");

[visual egret]

probably just sqlite tbh unless you can find something that does exactly that

[potent fossil]

H2?

is like, exactly that

i think sqlite can do in memory too? im not sure

[visual egret]

yeah

[potent fossil]

yeah it can

[vernal moth]

Sqlite is meh cause not concurrent

[analog steppe]

h2, thank you!

[potent fossil]

H2 works. There is also persistent java collections, but I haven't tried those.

If it's just in memory, and never needs to be saved, why not just a normal data structure? Like a map

Oh ok nice

[analog steppe]

I want a table, I really don't want to engineer a table just to debug something

[potent fossil]

Fair enough. Benefit of sql and in memory data all in one go I suppose.

I really want starbucks but it's raining

[mossy vessel]

Normally they close up cups so it shouldn't rain into your coffee, if that is your concern

[potent fossil]

nah it just never rains in california so the roads are terribly slippery from oil on the asphalt

so you have to drive carefully

[mossy vessel]

oic

Yeah, that can be ass

[potent fossil]

gonna go get some anyway tho bbl

[mossy vessel]

[visual egret]

does coffee taste nice

[slim nymph]

yet, they are working on it

it does have concurrent reads, just concurrent writes that are not possible atm

[vernal moth]

Oh cool

And if they then properly implement the whole sql spec i might actually consider using them again

[austere ivy]

@visual egret you're 13 right?

pretty good that you're learning all this programmy stuff this early on, keep at it ^-^

[vernal moth]

I was 12 when I started, he's way ahead of old me, lol

[left swift]

All the oskar haters must've gone to sleep

[austere ivy]

think when I was 12 I started bingewatching Course Grinder's java tutorials

good ol days of wondering why I had to type Scanner three times just to make a scanner

[coarse lily]

I think it's pretty cool that oskar is learning this kind of stuff. He's way beyond where I was at 13.

I just think he needs to chill a bit in chat.

[vernal moth]

I mean, it's hard when you comparing yourself to others in here

I always say that to my apprentices at work, don't compare yourself to me, that's smth you can never win cause I am 10 years ahead in experience. Compare yourself to last year's you

[left swift]

Lol

[coarse lily]

Yeah you should only really compare yourself to yourself

Although I wasn't saying I wish I were Oskar. :)

Just that him doing stuff this young is cool.

[mossy vessel]

When I was around that age discord didn't exist to brag about what cool new stuff I've learned lol

[coarse lily]

Yeah when I was dicking with computers at 13 no one gave a fuck.

Family was all "get off the computer!"

Friends didn't care.

[mossy vessel]

Plus when I was 13 I couldn't think of having such a job I've rn with that experience I had back then

[coarse lily]

Now look where I am!

A slave to this little glowing box!

sobs

Haha when I was 13 I had a paper route.

[left swift]

Boomers

[mossy vessel]

When I was 13 I was 13

[formal turret]

i started when i was 12 but i didn't really understand it until i was 16

[coarse lily]

I was definitely 13 when I was 13.

Yeah I was mostly dicking around.

[left swift]

Can we get some fact checkers on this we need reliable sources

[coarse lily]

I read some book that mentioned linux and couldn't even figure out what linux was.

[spare venture]

Discord has made communication in the community much easier

Before it was what, IRC and Skype?

[coarse lily]

Let me call my dad.

"Dad when I was 13 was I 13?"

[left swift]

[coarse lily]

My dad would be like ". . . . what?"

[mossy vessel]

lol

[left swift]

Keep him on his toes

Ask the big questions

[vernal moth]

My first exposure to programming was at 10, i wanted lego Mindstorms for xmas and my dad gifted me a robot i had to build from scratch and program in c++, lmao

[left swift]

Did u

[mossy vessel]

Your dad must really love you

runs

[vernal moth]

That obviously got me nowhere, but it made me remember that when I got minecraft and found out I can do whatever via code when I was 12

[coarse lily]

Haha

He started typing after that and then stopped.

I kinda wish I asked over the phone instead.

[vernal moth]

Exposure to code is really important, that's why I really really love that lego is still keeping Mindstorms alive

I even did a robotics course in uni where we did stuff with Mindstorms

In java out of all things (which actually runs on the thing, using giant ass Hacks)

Made complicated stuff like self balancing segways and stuff

[coarse lily]

Ha

[vernal moth]

And held a basketball battle

Shit like this gets ppl into stem

[coarse lily]

My dad was never huge into computers. Interested in them but didn't do it for a living or anything.

But yeah having those kind of influences definitely gets you there.

I started meeting people who were into tech so I got more interested.

My dad is more of a hands on kinda guy. Good with machines, though.

[mossy vessel]

My parents never had a pc until the early 2000 iirc

[viral hornet]

wow u r so wise

[mossy vessel]

I am

Thx for the ping after a rough day 🥴

[viral hornet]

You're welcome

[vernal moth]

I just got called a good human

Man that feels nice

[tropic flame]

if it wasn't my uncle i wouldn't know much about computers

[vernal moth]

Cat should try that

[tropic flame]

if at all

offtopic but I'd love to understand how this method name is "misleading"

anyone who can read camelCase would understand this runs an async task wtf

[vernal moth]

Schedule a sync task

Idk, just use the other ones, doesn't matter

[tropic flame]

I would've written scheduleASyncTask or just scheduleSyncTask if that was the case

the latter, actually

[tropic flame]

yeah i just noticed this after working with bukkit for beta 1.7.3 that's all lmao

in modern bukkit i'd use something else

[mossy vessel]

hehe

[olive garden]

LMFAO

I actually got a mindstorms

[cosmic raft]

I first started with PHP back when I was, or, near, 10 years old :p

[olive garden]

many years later I created my first GitHub issue: some Python Mindstorms Bluetooth library didn't properly support the distance sensor

[twin lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610898968360255498/804112479487656018/stop.webm

[mental meadow]

😮

michael troll

[coarse lily]

Alright MIchael that's pretty good.

[ashen cliff]

Now send the one that crashes Windows users.

[twin lagoon]

already patched

[ashen cliff]

BS.

[olive garden]

maybe I'm on an outdated version 😉

[ashen cliff]

Let's try it on Michael.

[coarse lily]

I started first messing with HTML but perl was the first real programming language.

Because cgi-bin!

[mossy vessel]

I still have my old html projects somewhere laying around I made in school in 2014 or so lul

[coarse lily]

Ah "Programming Perl".

The camel book, by Larry Wall.

[cosmic raft]

oh dear, perl

[twin lagoon]

@ashen cliff it only fucked my discord after a few seconds

https://owo.whats-th.is/JE78mjk.png

went all the way to 40mb ram some how and froze

windows is fine though

[ashen cliff]

That was the point.

[twin lagoon]

[ashen cliff]

Working as expected.

Another Windows user 👏.

[olive garden]

haters gonna hate

[twin lagoon]

it's a pretty weird one

it doesn't insta crash or anything

only when you like switch channels

[ashen cliff]

Or when your in VC.

It's a pretty cool bug.

[twin lagoon]

who

[vernal bone]

My mobile just froze

[ashen cliff]

Valid question.

[brave radish]

I know it is kinda doable, but that didn't stop it from becoming a meme

[visual egret]

i wrote my first batch script when i was like, 8

[coarse lily]

I don't think it is actually doable.

[ashen cliff]

Why wouldn't it be?

[coarse lily]

regex just isn't made for something like that.

Ah here's an explanation

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454

[visual egret]

i am finally no longer bored

[ashen cliff]

Still valid.

[visual egret]

i have done the exam

[brave radish]

well really it depends on what you mean by "parse"

[ashen cliff]

If they just need it for a one time thing, maybe parsing some broken stuff, why not?

[coarse lily]

The third answer in that link I sent does a pretty good job of explaining it.

[brave radish]

yeah that's what #2 says lol

[olive marlin]

I think I still parse html with sed or something iirc in one of very old scripts.

[ashen cliff]

I parse JSON with RegEX.

Can't stop me.

[olive marlin]

Good if you don't need extreme precision or website doesn't change.

[brave radish]

you can do what?

lol

[ashen cliff]

Yeah.

[brave radish]

html would be easy compared to json, again depending on what you mean by "parse"

[ashen cliff]

Mostly broken JSON tho.

[olive marlin]

Oh, remember windows phone?

It can backup your SMS to XML.

[visual egret]

ooh

[olive marlin]

But it's not valid XML xD

[visual egret]

thats interesting

[brave radish]

no... who does?

lol

[visual egret]

not valid XML, but proprietary windowsxml

[olive marlin]

So I needed to run some sed regex replacement to fix it.

[brave radish]

MS-XML

[olive marlin]

And then when I started parsing it, I did learn that Windows has proprietary timestamp in it.

[visual egret]

theres probably a python implementation of everything prof, check pypi first

[brave radish]

nah, that'd be in python's standard library lol

[olive marlin]

I needed to print some SMS so I quickly threw together fixing the XML with sed, then python parsing it as XML, converting the proprietary timestamp and then dumping them nicely.

[brave radish]

oof that's blurry

[visual egret]

i cant read that text lol

pypi be like

[brave radish]

there

I just now moused over @twin lagoon 's pic lol

[visual egret]

@woven otter quack

[woven otter]

no u

[left swift]

Duck puck

[woven otter]

mana pana

[brave radish]

how'd I just find out about the last 1.17 snapshot?

I'm like a whole week late

[warm anchor]

Coz there’s like nothing special

Just glowy sacks

[ashen cliff]

Glowing sack of HATE!

[brave radish]

moobloom 2024

oh wait half of this server is in Europe

[ashen cliff]

[visual egret]

my brain is commiting die

[brave radish]

hmmmm

[olive marlin]

Java 🤮

[visual egret]

agreed

[brave radish]

underscores in var names? what is this?

[ashen cliff]

Here We Go Again: https://posili.me/i/2021-01-27_23-58-14.png

[olive marlin]

Too much python?

[left swift]

Not enough configs

[ashen cliff]

I need a Torrent client that can go above 20k torrents.

[brave radish]

me or oskar?

[olive marlin]

Oskar.

[visual egret]

yes

too much python yes

[left swift]

SEY

[visual egret]

also why is my ide doing this

how do i make it stop

[mossy vessel]

Typical slav

[brave radish]

oh i was wondering lol. I was like "wait, does every java programmer use underscores and I just found out"

[olive marlin]

I sometimes also write underscores until linter starts complaining lol

[brave radish]

doing what?

[visual egret]

look at what type servers and servers_registered is

in defenition

and what ide says it is

[meager tusk]

wow your function names and field names are ass

well done Oskar

[brave radish]

yeah... what's wrong?

[meager tusk]

Oskar Moment

[olive marlin]

Oskar you clearly need sleep lol

[visual egret]

servers is set to RegisteredServer, but ide says its a ServerInfo

[brave radish]

it's reading constructor paramss

[visual egret]

in a list*

[olive marlin]

No

[brave radish]

you have two servers

[visual egret]

WAIT

NO

IM DUMB

[brave radish]

no comment

[meager tusk]

oh you poor thing

oh you poor, poor thing

[visual egret]

why does refactoring not refactor everything

[warm anchor]

👍

[meager tusk]

Oskar, man

get some rest

[visual egret]

listen

ive been writing an essay for the last 2 hours

[left swift]

How we gonna listen we're in text chat

[visual egret]

cries

[meager tusk]

ok return to my original point

[spare venture]

NAKD is being pumped by WSB too huh

[meager tusk]

get rest

[visual egret]

no

i need my quantum to be better than bluely's

[meager tusk]

WSB going crazy

[brave radish]

english mixes with java and brain explodes

[left swift]

Panic buy

[spare venture]

maybe

[potent fossil]

what the fuck

[warm anchor]

Party putting $600 check into good use

[visual egret]

tSlA tO tHe SkY

[brave radish]

imagine not reading the "memes of stackexchange" meta post

[spare venture]

i'm a dependent 😦

$0 check

[brave radish]

oh did y'all hear about the hacker that they tracked through their access logs by watching them look up how to do things on stackoverflow and then guessing what they would do next?

https://stackoverflow.blog/2021/01/25/a-deeper-dive-into-our-may-2019-security-incident/

[keen aspen]

Random question

[visual egret]

Im still waiting for my ip to change so i can make a stack over flow account :(

[keen aspen]

But can anyone invite me to wallstreetbets discord

I cant find their invite

[brave radish]

did you get blocked or something?

[visual egret]

i got question banned

ive deleted my account

and am waiting for my ip to change

[warm anchor]

~~Wise decision on their part ~~

[potent fossil]

sorry I don't really go on SO that much lol

[brave radish]

.

[visual egret]

yeah to be fair

i asked some stupid shit

lots of xy problems

[brave radish]

just please say you didn't ask what to do about being banned lol

[spare venture]

unsurprised

[visual egret]

theres a post that tells you what to do

now sadly, none of my posts had views

[brave radish]

yeah ik, that's why i asked lol

[visual egret]

and they all remained with 0 answers and votes

so i just nuked it

[warm anchor]

They have shadow ban?

[brave radish]

i get so annoyed when I see people saying "Why am I banned? What do I do?" without reading that post and I just think "cuz you didn't search your question first last time either"

[visual egret]

nah it wasnt shadow banned, more like nobody had the answer to my question

[brave radish]

they block questions and make you make up for your bad streak by giving good answers

[visual egret]

and i used some tags that nobody looks at

[brave radish]

bukkit?

[warm anchor]

Fair

[visual egret]

no

unity3d android c#

[brave radish]

oh lol. The bukkit tag is so messed up. It's just a bunch of ppl who don't know what a variable is

[visual egret]

i ask all my bukkit questions here

[brave radish]

I'm more impressed by the robots that are crawling around SE then SE itself lol

https://charcoal-se.org/ has some nice robots that crawl for spam and report it to a chat room full of moderators

[brave radish]

uh... c# is the fifth most popular tag

and android is seven

[visual egret]

idk

[brave radish]

and idk where unity3d is but it had 45 questions just today

[brave radish]

seems like people look at those lol

[left swift]

It's a passtime to ignore oskar

[visual egret]

27 views probably isnt good

it was probably and android issue that there was nothing i could do to fix anyway lol

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/61078077/cursor-lockstate-not-doing-anything-on-amazon-fire-8-hd

thats it

idk what i asked wrong

[brave radish]

haven't used unity lol

wanted to, but then said "c#? uhh nah, I'll stick to java"

[visual egret]

ive given up on unity

im just following a "unreal engine from the perspective of a unity user" course

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2021-01-28_00-28-51.png

A lot of Linux ISOs.

[potent fossil]

deluge

[visual egret]

my brain just died

i should go to sleep

[brave radish]

.

yes

[pastel skiff]

Anyone in USA can test how laggy my MC server is or is that advertising?

or can i just vpn to usa

then test?

[visual egret]

VPN to usa

it shouldnt be that bad

[pastel skiff]

Okay ty

[visual egret]

depends on where you are from

[pastel skiff]

UK

[visual egret]

same

[pastel skiff]

Rule Britannia

[visual egret]

i get pretty good ping on Sky

[pastel skiff]

Nice I'm w VM

Running Proxy to OVH

[visual egret]

and its proxied through tcpshield

[pastel skiff]

then out to internet

[ashen cliff]

Michael I'm expecting a 100Gbps line from you soon: https://posili.me/i/2021-01-28_01-07-31.png

[pastel skiff]

ffs cant get nordvpn to work

[twin lagoon]

bruh

[ashen cliff]

Gib.

[spiral robin]

hello

kashike

[warm anchor]

hello

Aber

[spiral robin]

whats wrong

[warm anchor]

nothing

[spiral robin]

[zealous wedge]

hi aberr

[spiral robin]

hey zml

[coarse lily]

Hi aber

[spiral robin]

hey ocelot

[upper flicker]

https://giphy.com/gifs/season-10-the-simpsons-10x4-xT5LMPbrjXZr89MdDa

[coarse lily]

Hi Dr Z!

[spiral robin]

Master Z 🙏

[tropic flame]

omg it's the legendary Z

[upper flicker]

wat

its just Z, hi all

[waxen panther]

oh my god that THE z seven five zero ??

[spiral robin]

broccolai!!!!!!

[waxen panther]

aber

[coarse lily]

Hi brocc

[warm anchor]

I never know if brocco is awake or asleep

[waxen panther]

neither do i

and hello

[ashen cliff]

I assume they just set a record? https://posili.me/i/2021-01-28_02-41-28.webm

[wraith trail]

no.

[brave radish]

everyone didn't even ping

[wraith trail]

I wonder if you could ping everyone from irc

[brave radish]

besides, if it did ping everyone, cat would just die in disgust and then no more updates from him

[wraith trail]

I don't think there are perms for webhooks

[cunning raft]

<@&748618676189528155> promo

[waxen panther]

@ mods someones posting cringe

ah yes send it again

[cunning raft]

shamelessness

[waxen panther]

elevating from advertising to spam

[cunning raft]

@upper flicker

[upper flicker]

tfw you realize the everyone ping doesnt work

[sharp sentinel]

?ban @void void Spam

[leaden oxide]

Keaton#5481 was banned | Spam

[brave radish]

ty

[waxen panther]

[cunning raft]

only pinged z for the commentary

[upper flicker]

commentary first

moderation second

[coarse lily]

Spamming + a lame video doesn't seem an effective way to get subscribers on youtube.

[wraith trail]

"how to make a crafting table"

in a guild where most active people don't even play minecraft

[brave radish]

and those who do know how to make a crafting table... by reconstructing the player's inventory in NMS, how everyone makes it

so there's an @ mods and an @ moderators with different people? mkay then lol

[cunning raft]

at-mods is the one you ping

mods who want to be pinged have that role

[mighty storm]

moderators is above every role so they can manage everyone, mods is just whoever wants to be pinged and notified

otherwise due to discord fuckery and dumbassery, pretty in pink people would be invulnerable to moderation

[brave radish]

so who runs the paper forums and why won't it send me a verification email lol

[spare venture]

me

[warm anchor]

you smells thats why mail didnt arrive

[formal turret]

you should send him a verification email then

[warm anchor]

all joke aside it can take a while.

[upper flicker]

is it in your spam folder?

[brave radish]

don't have a filter

[brave radish]

been two months lol

[upper flicker]

do you run your own mail server?

[brave radish]

yup

[upper flicker]

oh boy

[warm anchor]

2 month???

[wraith trail]

theres the reason

[warm anchor]

YOU WAITED TWO MONTH

[upper flicker]

I can make it send again probably

but we use someone else to do that, email is a mess to gain reputation and who works with who and blah blah

[warm anchor]

also there is a reason why no on runs their own mail server coz its pain in the ass

[upper flicker]

same username?

[brave radish]

not waited. Just solved the problem I needed the account for the day after and then didn't need it since

[spare venture]

Email is a pain in the ass on both sides

[brave radish]

uh no it would have been something else

[wraith trail]

actually running a server isn't, reputation and actually getting/being able to send mail not directly to spam folders is the issue

[cosmic raft]

I will never suggest anyone run their own mail server

[upper flicker]

ok well I need to like know the name to make it send again

[cosmic raft]

Go for Microsoft 365 or Google Workspace

[warm anchor]

unless you hate the person go ask them to make thier own mail server xD

[brave radish]

I don't remember lol. I'll make a new one and see if it send this time

[upper flicker]

ok

365 doesnt let you use your own domain sadly

otherwise its a pretty good deal

[brave radish]

oh it would have been AMinecraftUser96758

[warm anchor]

you have to pay no?

Google just ask you for like $3 a month

[brave radish]

found that saves in firefox

[upper flicker]

if you just want something free, use gmail, everyone for free is going to mine your data anyway

[brave radish]

why I have my own :)

[upper flicker]

or host your own I guess and just be prepared for all that fun

[warm anchor]

maybe he likes suffering

[brave radish]

well technically it's in a data center but yeah it's just a linux box

[upper flicker]

@brave radish nope

[spare venture]

MXroute is very cheap

Js

[brave radish]

*VPS

[brave radish]

nope what?

[upper flicker]

no user by that name sadly

just make a new one and if it doesnt send @ one of the core

[wraith trail]

any vps from most providers will be a pain because of how low reputation most are

[warm anchor]

yeah coz they could be used a spam machine before hand

[wraith trail]

because they are cheap and spammers can buy them, spam, low reputation, can't get email

[brave radish]

quite frankly I'm using my own server whether a bunch of paper users tell me to or not

[spare venture]

okay

[wraith trail]

thats fair, I'm not trying to tell you you cant

[brave radish]

and if I do ever switch it will be whenever this one breaks and I can't fix it

[spare venture]

idc

[upper flicker]

I would expect anyone who did run their own to say that tbh

[wraith trail]

just that I would stay far away from it

[warm anchor]

LOL

[upper flicker]

its not a small endeavor to setup and maintain, gotta kinda want it

not like you set it up by accident

[wraith trail]

I used to run my own mail server...

in 2000

[warm anchor]

boomer sulu

[wraith trail]

actually probably 2005 or so

[warm anchor]

I ma tell snoopa and oskar later that sulu has a mail server older than them

[brave radish]

also somehow gmail doesn't mark me as spam so I'm good

[limpid comet]

LOL eternity

[wraith trail]

thats impressive

[upper flicker]

give them time, theyll manage to mess it up

[limpid comet]

im glad that's the message i came back to

[upper flicker]

gmail always does

[warm anchor]

gmail mess up?

[spiral robin]

kashikeMail

[cunning raft]

google always invents a new email standard and will block people who don't follow it within 15 seconds

[upper flicker]

lots of horror stories of smaller servers ending up on gmail's spam list

and the gmail spam list is like voodoo dark magic to everyone who works at google, except for that team

they wont talk to anyone about it

[brave radish]

MS left like admin@ or something open on MS live in finland, letting someone get a verified SSL cert for that domain

[wraith trail]

outlook has a form to appeal/get removed, or did. Gmail does not

[upper flicker]

which kinda makes sense, until you blacklist someone you shouldnt have and they want to appeal

[warm anchor]

I imagine they have their own basement and they host their meeting inside

[upper flicker]

couple of stories of them giving up and just changing their domain

a few of someone from gmail spam team miraculously seeing it

kinda typical google tbh

[wraith trail]

I mean it wouldn't matter to them

everyone uses gmail, what is horror stories for smaller mailers compared to people getting spam and switching

although even getting spam, it would take a lot for people to switch

[upper flicker]

I used to run arch in prod, I get it

all good

pffft thats the wrong channel

kinda works here though

[brave radish]

I just signed up for spigot's forums today and they sent the email as fast as I could open my mail client. Quite surprised actually

[limpid comet]

you run arch as the server?

[spare venture]

That seems pretty atandwrd

[upper flicker]

not currently

[limpid comet]

oh

used to

sorry

i just woke up lol

[upper flicker]

someone make him a lighter blue as punishment for not reading!

[limpid comet]

thats my greatest fear

[upper flicker]

lol its so dumb

dark bluely when

[limpid comet]

bluely for core team confirmed

[warm anchor]

I’ve always though blue just got the discord booster role

Wow

[limpid comet]

no i was randomly gifted this beautiful colour one day

it's my prized possession

[upper flicker]

brocc also has a green veg role

[warm anchor]

Yeah

[upper flicker]

the pink role kinda spiraled out of control after one person had it

iirc there are some others like that

[limpid comet]

i respect that

[upper flicker]

old prune

there's another weird one

[limpid comet]

was it you who gave it to me z

oh yes

[upper flicker]

Ive no idea

[limpid comet]

can you explain that role

[upper flicker]

no

[spare venture]

was the headache causer role deleted

[limpid comet]

pain

[upper flicker]

wow the audit log is worthless

goes back to january 1st 2021

thanks discord

[limpid comet]

i wonder if there's a bot that adds their own audit pog

pog

[upper flicker]

there are a few

those are just not as nice to search

[warm anchor]

Dyno does it

[upper flicker]

we have one, but it doesnt go as far back as I think we need it to

[spare venture]

Dyno kinda sucks

[warm anchor]

Discord built in is useless I agree

What’s the point of Audi log if it’s only a month

[wraith trail]

dyno seems to go down twice a day

[warm anchor]

[upper flicker]

it does

[ashen cliff]

At least.

[warm anchor]

You can self host it no?

[upper flicker]

and they wont open source it because it goes against their beliefs

no

[spare venture]

the audit log should audit more things too, deleted messages, etc

[warm anchor]

Oh it’s not open sourced?

[upper flicker]

no, they have some really bad rationale on their site for it

[warm anchor]

Oh understandable

[ashen cliff]

Due to bad code?

[upper flicker]

they shouldve just said "we dont want to"

instead it says something like "it would get in the way of our goals and making it the best blah blah blah"

[wraith trail]

comprised of multiple services, which also depend on multiple services

their reason is that it is multiple parts, and multiple parts can not be open sourc

and that they want to get paid

which is fair, but they should just say that

[upper flicker]

oh that page has changed a bit

[warm anchor]

What they want is tatsumaki model tbh

[upper flicker]

there were more than 2 reasons last I saw this

[warm anchor]

Another popular discord all purpose bot

[upper flicker]

though in fairness, that was likely quite some time ago

[ashen cliff]

Making a log bot shouldn't be that hard anyway, but storing and accessing that amount of data is.

MongoDB.

[upper flicker]

it all comes back to databases

databases are like math

it just all keeps going back to databases

[warm anchor]

I mean if it’s just for log file it wouldn’t be too big of a headache

[ashen cliff]

Just start with PostgreSQL and be done with it.

[upper flicker]

flatfile yaml storage

[ashen cliff]

No need to migrate 40 damn times.

[wraith trail]

things like dyno are probably on hundreds of millions of servers

[upper flicker]

we dont do sql here

[wraith trail]

or, guilds, so it'll add up

[ashen cliff]

Just flat files?

[upper flicker]

sql bad

no it should absolutely be sql

[warm anchor]

I use this for my server https://blargbot.xyz/

[ashen cliff]

SQLite?

[upper flicker]

lol

tbh for just one instance running on just one guild

sqlite may even do ok

[ashen cliff]

Just hope you never have to recover data from it after it nukes itself.

[spare venture]

Carl bot has been OK for us

[upper flicker]

ye not ideal

[spare venture]

Sometimes it seems to not log deleted messages tho

[upper flicker]

but fast is better than correct

this is 2021

[warm anchor]

Gotta go fast!

[upper flicker]

if I cant have it running poorly in 10 minutes, I dont want it

[ashen cliff]

Postpone the issues till 2022?

The objectively best year.

[limpid comet]

i think i shall begin the great bluely migration tonight

[upper flicker]

what are you migrating blue

[limpid comet]

my server

from my basement to the upstairs

because the upstairs has the router and i only have one absurdly long ethernet cable

[upper flicker]

run ethernet everywhere

[limpid comet]

yes i have an ethernet cable thatll reach to wher i want to move my server

i need to put my shiny new website somewhere

[warm anchor]

Epic

[limpid comet]

montserrat + roboto =

and i finally figured out how you're supposed to do webdevelopment

mobile first

[wraith trail]

you should get blue.ly

they'd probably ask a bunch for it though

[limpid comet]

you think i didnt try

it's $10k

[warm anchor]

Lol damn

[crystal compass]

Is there any way to prevent people from editting item nbt?

[wraith trail]

oh thats not as bad as I was expecting

[limpid comet]

when i got bands to drop i 100% will though

[wraith trail]

did you give them creative?

[crystal compass]

Yeah, is that how?

[warm anchor]

Don’t give them creative?0

[crystal compass]

Fuck

[warm anchor]

Omg sulu types so fast

[limpid comet]

yea the best bet is to make a GUI which emulates the "creative" and give them fly

[wraith trail]

there are some plugins that try to fix that, but, generally, don't give creative

I actually type so slow, i need to get better at it

I can type ~45wpm, which is not fast at all

[limpid comet]

i can do 140wpm on average

[crystal compass]

That's nuts

[ashen cliff]

Just strip all NBT.

[limpid comet]

i just woke up though so

[crystal compass]

So thats how hes been doing it

[limpid comet]

probably more like 10

[crystal compass]

fuck me lol

[warm anchor]

I am on the phone so yeah all goes out of window on typing speed

[crystal compass]

This guy with creative has been editting nbt and making money notes that give unlimited money

_>

like money vouchers.

[ashen cliff]

Fun.

[limpid comet]

not too bad

[crystal compass]

Luckily I caught this right away however

[limpid comet]

lol

[wraith trail]

without extra things done, creative just basically gives the client full control over items in their inventory

[limpid comet]

that's kinda high iq tbh

[crystal compass]

I have a creative-limiting plugin that limits so much shit, work in progress though lol

Keep having to add more to it

[limpid comet]

there's always gonna be a stupid edge case

[crystal compass]

Basically gives items spawned in creative nbt that makes them unusable, and tracks placed blocks.

[limpid comet]

thats pretty good though

if youre not interested in speed typing then thats pogger

[crystal compass]

Might try this. https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/creative-nbt-copy-control.13598/

Is this the only way though?

[limpid comet]

as i said, make them survival, give them an inventory which provides all types of blocks, and give them fly

[wraith trail]

not giving them creative is the safest solution

[limpid comet]

i've always had an idea where players would be able to open menus via buttons placed in their inventory crafting grid

[wraith trail]

then you don't need to worry about edge cases/dumb stuff they might do

[limpid comet]

or just a command too lol

[crystal compass]

yeah I guess, my last donation rank has this very limited version of creative and like 40 people have it so I feel like it would be bad to remove it now.

[warm anchor]

Make it a reality blue and make it hangar exclusive

[limpid comet]

ill put it on my stupidly large list of plugins i want to make

i still need to finish crash

its like, almost done, i just need to make the configuration usable

[wraith trail]

crash?

[limpid comet]

you know those crash gambling sites

basically, you put in some money, a multiplier goes up, and there's a chance it "crashes" at a random multiplier. if you cashout before it crashes, you get bet * multiplier, but if it crashes before you cashout, rip

[wraith trail]

ah I see, seen a video of that somewhere

seems dumb

not your plugin, the websites/people who do that

[limpid comet]

same with all gambling

its fun though

[crystal compass]

oh so how these people do it is by loading a saved creative inventory on the server?

[limpid comet]

or a mod

[crystal compass]

Creative just allows mods to manipulate nbt and shit ?

[wraith trail]

thats no different from getting an item normally (from the servers perspective), just sends a bunch of requests

[limpid comet]

yea

[wraith trail]

yes, creative allows you to control everything in your inventory

[crystal compass]

but if they're in survival the mods don't work? damn

[limpid comet]

which is also why you'll see issues with inventory GUIs when nrunning creative

[crystal compass]

This is probably the reason that no servers offer creative to anybody. Perhaps I've just been too naive and thought I could eventually control it via my plugin.

[limpid comet]

its not really worth it

[warm anchor]

Yes coz creative isn’t safe

[wraith trail]

it's documented more here: https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Creative

[limpid comet]

especially when you can replicate the creative menu with plugins nearly perfectly

[wraith trail]

oh thats the wrong link, https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Creative_Inventory_Action

[warm anchor]

Make it happen blue. I think it will gain popularity

[limpid comet]

do something like

/creative -> opens the creative menu, with little buttons to control what page your on
/creative <search> -> opens the creative menu, with all materials with your search string in it

hmm

maybe

fuk it ill put it on the list

i thought something like this already existed

[crystal compass]

Haha

Time to take away creative from like 40 people who paid 150-200$ for the top rank

[wraith trail]

if I were to do it it would just give you the hotbar to put items in, rest of the inventory would be an item based user interface

[crystal compass]

:x

[wraith trail]

click an item, brings up a chest/sign/anvil for search where you can get items from

theres probably a better way to do it, but that seems like the most user intuitive

[limpid comet]

i mean, it would be good for my portfolio. maybe ill put it a part of the bluely premium subscrition

[upper flicker]

what does bluely premium get me?

[limpid comet]

fast tracked support and feature requests for all my plugins

[upper flicker]

seems reasonable enough

[limpid comet]

all the plguins still free tho

so if yknow what youre doing u dont nneed it

[warm anchor]

You can also request him every night at 11 PM to read you a bedtime story

[upper flicker]

oh wow

[limpid comet]

i will unironically do that

[upper flicker]

brb buying now

[limpid comet]

i love reading bedtime stories

[upper flicker]

I wasnt so sure about the other stuff, but bluely bedtime stories is worth it

[limpid comet]

u fall asleep guarantee or money back

[upper flicker]

that's a better guarantee than pretty much every other sleep product/service

[limpid comet]

i take pride in what i do

[merry talon]

oh to be blissfully unaware of the world of sleep calling

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

[spiral robin]

hello

[cosmic raft]

hi aber

[limpid comet]

aber pog aber pog

[spiral robin]

hello kashike

hello bluely

30k

[merry talon]

n melessMC

[spiral robin]

interesting

how does translate to "a"

[merry talon]

the shape of the moustache

[spiral robin]

ah yes

[waxen panther]

@spiral robin hello aberdeener .

[brave radish]

so 1 hour 30 minutes and still no forums email?

[spiral robin]

hello champ

[waxen panther]

i have to setup nameless soon

[spiral robin]

what for

[waxen panther]

is theming easy

a server

🥺

[spiral robin]

eh i guess so

[waxen panther]

what does it use

[spiral robin]

whatever you want

smarty is the rendering engine

[potent fossil]

isn't theming just literally taking the actual files and then editing them

[spiral robin]

yes

[waxen panther]

ah

kinda pogu

[potent fossil]

wordpress level

[spiral robin]

kinda pog kinda notpog

[waxen panther]

the server cant decide if they want forums or not so we'll see

[spiral robin]

forums are dead

[waxen panther]

it has a bunch of features without forums though right

[spiral robin]

disable that part of nameless

ye

[waxen panther]

has the cool graph stuff

epic

[spiral robin]

[potent fossil]

u hef 2 just use twig or something and throw us an associative array of all the variables and then let us just implement the themerino however we want and use the injected vars

ok thx

v3

thx

[waxen panther]

ah yes

no v3 will be in react or vue

[potent fossil]

much better

[waxen panther]

i know twig though that can be 2.5

[potent fossil]

that just made me very Excite

[spiral robin]

yea sam and i decided we are just gonna rewrite for v3

if we ever get there

[potent fossil]

[waxen panther]

[spiral robin]

havent even released v2 yet

in ts and vue

[waxen panther]

i would be very interested in contributing to that

even though i dont know vue yet

[spiral robin]

same

[waxen panther]

as long as it has something similar to react hooks we're good

[spiral robin]

it wont be for like at least 2 years i bet lol

[waxen panther]

uhh ya, 2 months ?

[spiral robin]

.

BRB i need to do something . < 3

[waxen panther]

im going to use v2 though and if it has any bugs i will sue you .

bye

[spiral robin]

ok

[limpid comet]

vue is pog

[brave radish]

@upper flicker you said to ping if I didn't get an email and I didn't so here I am

[upper flicker]

I can resend it once

not really going to go much further than that

[brave radish]

username is ZombieChickenMan

ah it's still letting me resend if I try to log in but I hit that last time and no luck

[shy tundra]

hey

anyone has a cool tutorial how to move MariaDB to another dedicated? To transfer it.

[potent fossil]

turn it off, back up /var/lib/mysql

install mariadb on new server

replace /var/lib/mysql on new server with backed up version

profit

or mysqldump it, then import it

[shy tundra]

and the users an all that?

[potent fossil]

it's all in that directory

[shy tundra]

will stick?

[brave radish]

oh wow I saw MariaDB and thought "MongoDB"

[shy tundra]

how to check which version of mariadb im running

[brave radish]

I think I read somewhere not to copy /var/lib/mysql even with the server off. Can't remember why though

[potent fossil]

mysql --version

[shy tundra]

i read they have to be the same eexavclyy version

[upper flicker]

ah yes

money

[brave radish]

This seems like a better idea

[shy tundra]

how should i do then

[brave radish]

https://linux.die.net/man/1/mysqldump

[potent fossil]

mysqldump is to dump data, users won't go with unless you also dump that table i suppose

[shy tundra]

simple, the method u told me, have u test it? its works?

[potent fossil]

seems safe to copy /var/lib/mysql https://serverfault.com/questions/659048/can-i-copy-the-entire-var-lib-mysql-folder-to-a-different-server-mysql-vs-mar/659049

i've done it before yes

worked ok for me, if it's not "recommended" idk

[shy tundra]

I mean, i wall to transfer all

want*

all

[potent fossil]

i mean you can do it with mysqldump...probably? but seems like a bitch

[shy tundra]

yea

but the etc/mysql

doesnt have all the information?

[potent fossil]

it does

[shy tundra]

users, tables, etc

so, it should work

[potent fossil]

that's where all mysql data is stored

[shy tundra]

technically

[potent fossil]

just make sure both servers are off when you do this, you'll also want to copy the config files probably from /etc/mysql

[shy tundra]

ok

[potent fossil]

test it first, and then you should be ok

[shy tundra]

just in cae

can i test with the server on, just to see what results?

it just a test

[potent fossil]

yes, you'd turn the mysql server on on the new server and make sure all is well

once confirmed, you can trash the old server

but don't delete /var/lib/mysql on the old server until you're sure the new server is ok

[shy tundra]

right

ye

i will back up nayway

[potent fossil]

then yea, proper precautions assumed, you should be just fine

[shy tundra]

once i install the mariadb in my new dedi, i just stop the service or enable

[potent fossil]

(proper precautions being: turn servers off, back up the files, don't trash the old server till you're sure new server is good, etc)

yes stop it, no need to disable it

[shy tundra]

cool

i will try

thanks

just the etc/mysql

and and also

the mysql file itself?

in etc?

[potent fossil]

/var/lib/mysql => tables, users, etc
/etc/mysql => config files if you want them

[shy tundra]

whats the config giles

files

specifially

[potent fossil]

like, the bind settings and stuff? if you never edited it on the old server then no need to transfer those

[shy tundra]

okay

thanks! appreciate.

[unkempt drift]

hmm, is there smth I can do with the @ Contract annotation to fix this?

the supplier won't run if the value its complaining about is null

[limpid comet]

I'm serious considering switching back to windows

[cunning raft]

good

[waxen panther]

???

time to block

[cunning raft]

yes

[limpid comet]

no

pls

i just cbf switching back and forth

and 60hz chrome really bugs me

I'll keep my Linux install around

But I think I'm gonna install intellij

[waxen panther]

weirdga i have 144hz in chrome

sounds like a u problem

[limpid comet]

It is a me problem

[brave radish]

*sees annotation question*
*starts reading*
*sees it was Machine_Maker who didn't know*
*Stops reading*

[limpid comet]

I searched around and it's definitely an issue tho

[waxen panther]

yeah a fixable issue

[limpid comet]

Iirc its mobile Nvidia drivers

No

Not from what I found

[waxen panther]

i had it when i first installed and its fixed

[limpid comet]

I spent a day trying to fix it

[waxen panther]

do you use optimus or something jank

[limpid comet]

My laptop is prime

[waxen panther]

f

[limpid comet]

Yes

When I get a desktop it's arch all the way

And I'm keeping my install aroujd

[waxen panther]

windows still pretty cringe

[limpid comet]

Oh I agree

It's not like I'm filled with glee going back

But I hate switching os 10 times a day

[cunning raft]

this is why you just stay on windows

[brave radish]

I have one dual boot and one tri boot. Problem is remembering to choose the right one

[swift root]

it's a me mario

hi problem

[peak ginkgo]

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

https://u.dejay.dev/🗡🚆🏔.png

[waxen panther]

stop

[upper flicker]

quick post windows neofetch before the *nix people wake up

[cunning raft]

winfetch

[waxen panther]

cringefetch 😎 👊

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/💀🐶🏜.png

Learning how to get traditional neofetch running

and fix my "Host"

lmao

[waxen panther]

ah yes

scoop and chocolately package managers

truly the defining technological advancements of our era

[cunning raft]

please be quiet cringe linux user 😎

[waxen panther]

i can be quite yes 😎

[upper flicker]

I mean they are awful

[waxen panther]

i can be quietcringe yes 😎

stupid jroy .

[waxen panther]

dont sticker me young man

[cunning raft]

anime pfp

[warm anchor]

but that's cute pfp

and it's not anime JRoy!

[merry talon]

windows 10 home

[cunning raft]

sorry weeb

whatever you want to call it

[limpid comet]

ffs

[cunning raft]

pro is a cosmetic label

[limpid comet]

I was wondering why my netplan config wasn't working

I had ; instead of :

[cunning raft]

you can literally enable all the pro shit on home

[limpid comet]

My eyes are terrible

[merry talon]

yeah but then you're a fake pro

[limpid comet]

paying for windows

[upper flicker]

@brave radish that should be fixed now, should get one shortly

[cunning raft]

ur the type of guy that buys supreme

[limpid comet]

jroy

[upper flicker]

pro keys are like $2

[limpid comet]

so.........

asynctp?????????

[upper flicker]

Im not hacking up the install instead of paying $2

[cunning raft]

right right

want to open an issue and ill super remember

[merry talon]

https://shrimp.pics/7wy3.png

[limpid comet]

yes

[cunning raft]

i finished discord module

[upper flicker]

or if you were ever a student, you can hoard keys en mass for free for education edition

[limpid comet]

I will

oooh nice how is it

[upper flicker]

which is basically pro++/enterprise slightly lite

[cunning raft]

its pogchamp!

[limpid comet]

pogchamp!

[cunning raft]

uses slash commands

[limpid comet]

sexy

[cunning raft]

discordsrv malding

shit fucking plugin

[limpid comet]

I'm malding

[warm anchor]

I put JRoy as boomer tier as Billy so when he said pogchamp it felt weird

[limpid comet]

this start job will not finish

[cunning raft]

mf i ain't a boomer

my pfp is

[lean kiln]

jroy boomer

[waxen panther]

nah jroy isnt a boomer he's just a twitch user

it's similar but this particular breed is slightly more cringe

[cunning raft]

u link ur twitch to discord and im the degen?

got it

[waxen panther]

Yeah

It’s so everyone can see I don’t use it

Like a real alpha

[brave radish]

got it. Thanks

[spiral robin]

Hello

I finished my work . (:

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

wee

nice

proud of you

[solid siren]

why is it when i make a portal
and enter it and go back i dont return to where i create the portal
it creates a portal eslewhere

[warm anchor]

It’s art.

[untold copper]

YAY MATHS EXAM DONE :DDDD

[warm anchor]

Snoopa if you don’t get A, we will have to ban you from paperMC

[spiral robin]

[untold copper]

lol ok

[untold copper]

much smart

[untold copper]

the amount of waypoints i have XD

[meager tusk]

Ok

Snoopa Waypoints

[untold copper]

:D

its quite distracting on the map as well lol

[vernal bone]

Is there any "waypoint" plugins in spigot out there, that actually works? 🤔

[untold copper]

oh plugin

[waxen panther]

keep us informed champ

[untold copper]

k

[limber knot]

hello broccolai

DUMBOlai .

[waxen panther]

hello proxiDUMB

how is moonshine x

[limber knot]

wtf

i'm not working on moonshine

tiktok addiction .

[waxen panther]

😾

gross

i have written 500 words in 8 hours are you proud of me

[limber knot]

Sure

[waxen panther]

sURE .