general

[stiff yarrow]

luckily we are in an era where WFH makes sense for a lot of jobs now

[spare venture]

WFH isn't really possible in my industry

[dim kelp]

Please reply or mention me if you think you can help or guide me Thank you....

[spare venture]

#paper-help

you'll get better help there

[dim kelp]

Oh okay sir

But its other plugin is it okay?

I mean its a plugin

[spare venture]

i took a sustainable engineering course in college taught by someone who has been working on the field for 35 years and it was really insightful

[potent fossil]

where do people keep getting the PaperSpigot name?

it's not even advertised as that anymore

[dim kelp]

I already read wiki and watch tutorial about votifier but when I try to test vote it wont work [testvote on some test voting site] but /testvote work locally

[spare venture]

port is probably closed

[dim kelp]

Ohh

[spare venture]

for votifier

[visual egret]

#paper-help weewoo

[dim kelp]

how to get a unique port, its seems like many port are already used

I already try randomely

[visual egret]

?

votifier has a preset port

use that

i think at least lol

[spare venture]

thats a discussion you'll have to work out with your host

we can't know that

[visual egret]

oh

[dim kelp]

the default? 8192

[visual egret]

smh imagine having anything else than a dedicated host

[spare venture]

yes how dare he oskar

[dim kelp]

ahh okay sir but shockbyte support kinda slow

[spare venture]

yah sadly we can't help you with that

[visual egret]

theres a port in the default config, just use that

[spare venture]

just try 8192, if it doesn't work, you'll have to talk to your host

[untold copper]

shockbyte y

[stiff yarrow]

you get what you pay for 😏

[dim kelp]

what about the KeepAlive sir?

[spare venture]

random ports aren't guaranteed to be open for shared hosts

[dim kelp]

xD HAHAHA

[visual egret]

well shared hosts arent my problem

[formal turret]

got a server from pebblehost to play modded with some friends and they still used paperspigot i believe

[potent fossil]

🙄

[spare venture]

people still using pebble huh

i thought they got cancelled

[stiff yarrow]

names never die

[spare venture]

yeah people still call me barty

[formal turret]

it was like 10 dollars ¯_(ツ)_/¯

only end up playing for like a mmonth anyways

[limber knot]

Wow, hosting providers die pretty fast

[dim kelp]

I use shockbyte because they allow SMS MOBILE PAYMENT since im From Philippines I prefer shockbyte wews

[spare venture]

fair enough

[visual egret]

imagine hosting on anything else than a raspberry pi 4 ||/s||

[spare venture]

oskar you're literally worse than him with your situation

[slim nymph]

well naming yourself after the server name is odd, least before it was inverted, the server was named after you lol

[visual egret]

at least i have all of my ports party

[spare venture]

my mc name is partymc, aikar

server is named partyrealms

[slim nymph]

well yeah you changed it to match the server name 😛

[stiff yarrow]

I'm basically married to this nickname at this point

[slim nymph]

you can still have an identity!

[spare venture]

yeah, well my old mc name was "BartyRealms". couldn't keep that

[slim nymph]

BartyBartyFarty

[visual egret]

uh oh

[worn ember]

Ur one weird guy

[spare venture]

at least my name isn't darkeyedragon

[stiff yarrow]

he got you there

[worn ember]

Well blueeyedragon was taken :(

[stiff yarrow]

you got some straight up yugioh name son

[spare venture]

blue eye dragon

i didnt know ded was supposed to be a yugioh name

[slim nymph]

i had that card as a kid

[spare venture]

blue eyes white dragon haha

the best card

[worn ember]

I didn't know that was a thing

[spare venture]

what

[slim nymph]

https://tenor.com/ObNy.gif

[worn ember]

I did have those cards tho. But never played them

[spare venture]

the whole show seemingly revolved around that card

[potent fossil]

lol my brother used to do yugioh, he had that card

[spare venture]

yeah all i did was collect the cards, had no idea how to play, didn't want to

same with pokemon

[slim nymph]

man that was literally like 20 years ago

[spare venture]

yup

gettin old

[potent fossil]

:(

[spare venture]

[undone blade]

https://twitter.com/WeAreNoobs/status/1346523578590785539

Wearenoobs 'Josh' (@WeAreNoobs)

👿 Somebody got me with the ultimate rick roll on my own minecraft server LOL 👿

#rickroll #minecraftmemes #minecraftserver #owned

Twitter · Jan 5, 2021, 6:26 PM

[undone blade]

F

[spare venture]

now im just an unemployed dude running a minecraft server

[potent fossil]

oh jesus that can actually be done now

christ =(

[spare venture]

yea kinda tragic

[peak ginkgo]

yeah

[stiff yarrow]

oof

[worn ember]

Lmao

[spare venture]

most of them realistically just look to see if our ID is horizontal, since underage IDs are vertical here

[peak ginkgo]

That's clever

[worn ember]

The fok

[peak ginkgo]

Mine is Vertical

[stiff yarrow]

IDs here have a thing slapped on them if you are under 21

[spare venture]

yeah ours do too

[peak ginkgo]

Ours get ribbons LMAO

[waxen panther]

you have to read ours :p

[worn ember]

I don't even remember if I had a different Id card when I was underage

[spare venture]

underage ID

[potent fossil]

i dont even know what cali IDs look like for underage since they recently changed the format

[slim nymph]

then you turn 21 and they gotta inspect the bd then until you get new one lol

[spare venture]

21 id

[stiff yarrow]

the fuck lol

[peak ginkgo]

I'll know this weekend

I'm running to the DMV to get one

For reference

[visual egret]

imagine being in america smh

[peak ginkgo]

I am i nTexas

[slim nymph]

i love how the underage one doesnt look under age

[spare venture]

yeah the new ohio IDs are slick

[potent fossil]

are you underage?

[peak ginkgo]

Yes

[worn ember]

Didn't know you had an operation barty

[spare venture]

[stiff yarrow]

under 21 oregon

[peak ginkgo]

I am FLYING to California to get an X marker ID as a California Resident living in Texas

[spare venture]

i used to have like 5 fake ids

[stiff yarrow]

Oh no

[visual egret]

uh oh

[stiff yarrow]

they changed it

[peak ginkgo]

I goto college there which is good enough for them

[stiff yarrow]

Barty

[visual egret]

party criminal

weewoo

[potent fossil]

ah cali is doing the vertical/horizontal thing too

[stiff yarrow]

Oregon does the vertical thing now

[worn ember]

Weeooo

[peak ginkgo]

CRIMINAL REALMS

[spare venture]

yeah the vertical thing is actually really smart

such an easy way to quickly identify it

[waxen panther]

drug craft smh

[stiff yarrow]

brand new stuff

[peak ginkgo]

rn i have one of these

[spare venture]

well 2 were mine, the other 3 were random ones i found on the ground in bars

[stiff yarrow]

normal

[visual egret]

and i got nothing

[peak ginkgo]

Your state is very specific about the marking of these

[stiff yarrow]

the oregon ID is actually very purrty now

it used to be butt ugly

[potent fossil]

https://laistassets.scprdev.org/i/a10d68ee01f0a0d67a3f889c46336bf4/5b2c4c1c4488b3000927a9e2-thumb-640.jpg
https://laistassets.scprdev.org/i/96dfc878ef9d5e309b85daa1230a45b1/5b2c4c1e4488b3000927a9ed-original.jpg

[spare venture]

yeah ours looks like more like some weird passport ID

[stiff yarrow]

so this vertical thing is like nation wide then

[spare venture]

its federally compliant tho

[peak ginkgo]

I fuck with the tall California one

[spare venture]

isn't it this year that you can't fly domestically if you don't have a federally compliant ID

[warm anchor]

What’s happening to that lady’s forehead

[visual egret]

says the person with fake id's

[warm anchor]

I am scared

[peak ginkgo]

It got pushed to next year due to rona @spare venture

[worn ember]

Passports and IDs are not the same???

[potent fossil]

tall forehead

[spare venture]

no, those are drivers license ded

[worn ember]

Oh. Lmao

[spare venture]

our main form of ID is drivers license

[warm anchor]

Ded wouldn’t know

[stiff yarrow]

I don't have a real ID but mine is purrty, I got a passport (covid kek) that I haven't been able to use yet

[potent fossil]

passports actually are REAL compliant

[peak ginkgo]

I can't drive

[warm anchor]

He doesn’t go outside

[peak ginkgo]

I just have a normal ID

[warm anchor]

[potent fossil]

so you can use them instead of a REAL id for domestic flight

[peak ginkgo]

I wanna get a passport

[potent fossil]

but may as well get a REAL id

[peak ginkgo]

But I don't get paid enough to buy a passport

[stiff yarrow]

you can use passport instead of ID for anything

[peak ginkgo]

Someone hire me

[stiff yarrow]

its the super ID

[peak ginkgo]

please for the love of god

[spare venture]

yeah i dont have a passport, i was going to apply for one but the website said it would be 6-12 months, so i just didnt bother

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

There’s passport card now too @spare venture

For US

[potent fossil]

i think i need to renew my passport soon actually...better look at that before i try to travel

[magic river]

I think the vertical thing for under 21 is a part of the RealID stuff

[stiff yarrow]

I have the passport card too

[spare venture]

not always true. some places (especially alc purchases) will refuse passports

especially if it's a foreign ID/passport

[magic river]

Federal guidelines on what security features an ID should have

[stiff yarrow]

well a US passport should be legal as ID for anywhere

[peak ginkgo]

If you like stand up heres a bit on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdu3WrZZceg

[spare venture]

yes but stores are stupid as hell

[peak ginkgo]

I listen to stand up when I goto bed instead of music like an insane person

So I can reference anythin

[stiff yarrow]

maybe store employees be stupid, but a passport is literally better legal proof of ID than a state ID

[peak ginkgo]

^

[spare venture]

or go to a bar and try to use your passport, might get denied

[peak ginkgo]

It's literally every single states ID combined

[stiff yarrow]

it was so much work to get my passport approved

[peak ginkgo]

An ID -> I am from this state

A passport -> I am from this NATION

[stiff yarrow]

getting state ID you don't even need a social security number

[spare venture]

i'm just saying that's the reality

eh

[potent fossil]

:/ just opened my documents pouch i take that holds my ID/passport/itineraries etc that i haven't opened since 2019 and saw my booked plans for 2020 D:

[stiff yarrow]

I had to mail like 10 years of records to get my passport approved

[spare venture]

to get an ID you need like 4 forms of ID now

[peak ginkgo]

LOL

[potent fossil]

sad reminder D:

[peak ginkgo]

@stiff yarrow I gotta do that but I dont want to pay for it

[stiff yarrow]

pay for postage?

[peak ginkgo]

The Passport fee

[vernal moth]

my ID acts like a passport in many countries (even outside the EU)

😄

[stiff yarrow]

oh

[spare venture]

you need your original birth certificate, SSN card, old ID, and a proof of residence i.e. utility bill

to get an ID here

[peak ginkgo]

I love this, we dont have this but I love how travel works in and out of the EU

Because you can go

[stiff yarrow]

passport is worse

[spare venture]

yea i know its worse

[mental meadow]

You gotta love that when you move they just put a sticker on it with your new address

[stiff yarrow]

I had to provide proof of myself existing in this world

[spare venture]

im just saying the new IDs are harder

[peak ginkgo]

This anywhere

[stiff yarrow]

and that was hard being a hikki neet

[peak ginkgo]

.g hikki neet

[vernal moth]

yeah, I was like, wat

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HikiNEET

[peak ginkgo]

im gonna find this shit out

[peak ginkgo]

We do this too in America but you have to ask for it

[mental meadow]

I have to drive to the german embassy to get a new ID

[stiff yarrow]

well formerly hikki neet

[spare venture]

i run a minecraft server i'm not a neet

[peak ginkgo]

^ I am unemployed

[spare venture]

also searching for a job makes you not a neet

[peak ginkgo]

I do not hav ea job I can be here al lday

pressing space is hard

[stiff yarrow]

idk if searching for a job excludes you from NEET status

but it shows intent to not be a NEET

[spare venture]

i think running a minecraft server makes you not a NEET

or selling plugins

[vernal moth]

doesnt your gov know that you exist? lol

[spare venture]

you're still makin $$

[stiff yarrow]

I'm a motto hikki neet

[spare venture]

you're not tho, you sell mcmmo

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/📞✉️👿.png

[worn ember]

Neet neet

[peak ginkgo]

You need one of these things as ID to get a Passport.

[vernal moth]

you are not unemployed, you are self employed

das different

[spare venture]

^

[stiff yarrow]

@spare venture translation: formerly

[peak ginkgo]

Who sells mcmmo

Because I just compile it

[spare venture]

if you have reportable income, you're not a neet

ahh formerly

[spare venture]

jerk

[zealous wedge]

i had one of these lol

[peak ginkgo]

If I can compile a plugin I'm gonna do it

[worn ember]

[peak ginkgo]

PlotSquared

mcMMO

[spare venture]

if i used mcmmo i'd pay for it tbh

[peak ginkgo]

Uhhh, probably others

[stiff yarrow]

at the time of getting the passport I was a coming out of hikki neet life of 10 plus years

[peak ginkgo]

I'd compile GriefPrevention if Robo tried to make it premium

[stiff yarrow]

no one cares if you compile it, its GPL3 son

[worn ember]

Smh that's very very rood

[peak ginkgo]

I do not make enough to pay for someone elses plugin I'd rather bill the hours and make it myself

[spare venture]

cheap bastard

mcmmo is like $10

[waxen panther]

20 now

[peak ginkgo]

That's like three days of coffee

[spare venture]

oky

$20

[peak ginkgo]

Or 6 Bang Energy drinks

[worn ember]

Give nossr your money

[spare venture]

or like 1 hour of work

[zealous wedge]

that's still under an hour of work lol

[spare venture]

^

well, 1 hour if you're uneducated

[peak ginkgo]

Fucking hell what are you guys' rates

[zealous wedge]

which doesn't help if you're unemployed or part time

[stiff yarrow]

whats that psychological term for how people won't spend 20 on an app but will spend 30 dollars on fast food

[spare venture]

people generally made more than $20/hr if they have a degree

[peak ginkgo]

idiot

[potent fossil]

fatass

[stiff yarrow]

nah there's a term for it

[spare venture]

did you just call yourself an idiot dej-

[worn ember]

Dejay

[peak ginkgo]

Yes

https://u.dejay.dev/🌊📥⚡️.png

[spare venture]

haha

[peak ginkgo]

[worn ember]

[peak ginkgo]

Applying for a passport

https://u.dejay.dev/😬🥛⛏.png

hahahaa

[spare venture]

well, last i checked there's only two sexes

[visual egret]

nope

[spare venture]

there's more genders tho

[mental meadow]

90% sure it won't validate your input

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/📥🎠🧭.png

[stiff yarrow]

its harder for people to spend 20 dollars on a game than 20 dollars on a meal, despite the game being long term and the meal being like 30 mins

[peak ginkgo]

I'm obligated to write self employed it says

[visual egret]

dont intersex people exist?

[spare venture]

yeah nossr it's a fallacy

[magic river]

$20/hr is only $41600 a year if you work full time

[stiff yarrow]

its less than that amaranth

[spare venture]

yeah, not everyone has a degree tho or does manual labor

taxes too

[stiff yarrow]

you don't make 41k at 20/hr

[spare venture]

i assume most people with a degree will make more than $20/h

[magic river]

20*40*52

[mental meadow]

you don't have to pay taxes when you don't earn enough money

[spare venture]

you pay taxes on 42k

[magic river]

That's around what a junior developer should make for their first job

[spare venture]

its that low?

[zealous wedge]

i don't really work anywhere that pays under 20 anymore

[spare venture]

i thought it was higher

.g average starting salary CSE major

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://cse.umn.edu/college/average-starting-salaries-cse-graduates

[stiff yarrow]

juniors should be 60k

[peak ginkgo]

I charge $18.5/hr what the fuck guys

[spare venture]

$68k apparently

[stiff yarrow]

yeah

[peak ginkgo]

I've been underselling myself ? ?

[stiff yarrow]

yeah

[spare venture]

well, do you have a degree

[peak ginkgo]

I will next year

[spare venture]

because that piece of paper changes things

[peak ginkgo]

I'm a college uh

jr

[zealous wedge]

i make more than 20 sitting on my ass and turning lights on and off for talking heads at school

[mental meadow]

17,50 oops

[stiff yarrow]

I charge 60/hr if I do freelance, which I haven't been doing lately

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/💡🐔🗼.png

is this cocky

[magic river]

I'm also biased by living in the midwest, I guess

On the coasts you make more

[spare venture]

i usually pay ~$20-25/hr for dev work

[worn ember]

9eur/h if i'm lucky

[spare venture]

wtf ded

[waxen panther]

average for a junior here is 26k gbp lol

[spare venture]

you liar

you make like $2/hr

[zealous wedge]

you're underpaying ppl imo barty

[limber knot]

I make nothing

[peak ginkgo]

At your rate I charged flat rates, it was easier to make money that way.

[spare venture]

i can't afford any more zml

[woven otter]

that's not accurate

[magic river]

I think EU developers make like half what US ones do too

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/🌟🌳⏰.png

[zealous wedge]

then you need fewer billable hours

[peak ginkgo]

Are these not identical

[zealous wedge]

those look identical lol

[worn ember]

thats only cuz the dollar is only half of the euro

[zealous wedge]

is that the online passport thing for the US?

[stiff yarrow]

I overpay people if I contract them because I respect their time

[magic river]

No, I mean converted to USD

[peak ginkgo]

Yes

[worn ember]

yeah probably

[spare venture]

the difference between a $25/hr dev in this industry vs. a $60/hr dev is not as big as you think

[zealous wedge]

oh oof

[peak ginkgo]

It's making all my inputs capital

i just rewrote them and its fine

[spare venture]

i'm being generous with $25/hr in this industry tbh, people underpay much worse

[stiff yarrow]

25 is about normal

[spare venture]

and i think ~$20-25/hr is fair

[stiff yarrow]

for paying minecraft devs

with that said, its low

[spare venture]

ded makes $2/hr doing dev work

[stiff yarrow]

what

[spare venture]

[zealous wedge]

never used that 😔 last time i did passport renewal was my first 10-year, so i had to fill out paper forms and go to the consulate

[magic river]

.g average starting salary for a developer in europe

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://valuenomad.com/web-developer-salaries-in-europe/

[zealous wedge]

the community centre i work at pays 25 an hour lol

[magic river]

Aww it didn't give the pull out

[stiff yarrow]

ded you make 2/hr?

[magic river]

The average software developer salary in Sweden, Finland, and France ranges from $41K to $45K per year. The average software developer salary in the UK is $40K and is the lowest among other countries.

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/🙃🍴📊.png

I can make my parents gay

[worn ember]

i sometimes do commisions but usually those arent hourly pay lol

[woven otter]

$25

low

[spare venture]

why is pay so low in europe

[zealous wedge]

i still don't get why passport needs to know about your parents

[woven otter]

makes me warm and happy inside

[zealous wedge]

that's low for software lol

[untold copper]

why is being alive so expensive

[vernal moth]

cost of living and benefits are different barty

[woven otter]

yeah stupid button

[spare venture]

.g average software development salary usa

[vernal moth]

like, insurance and education etc work way different

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Developer/Salary

[magic river]

In the US they have to pay you enough to make up for all the shit you don't have in the US 😛

[zealous wedge]

yeah, US salaries look large

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/🐁😩🏛.png

Do iwant to pay this

[spare venture]

zml i've done the math before

[magic river]

Health care, pension, transportation, etc

[zealous wedge]

but yeah you have to pay tons for healthcare, and if you live in the bay area everything is mega expensive

[spare venture]

accounting for cost of living my state pays significantly better than germany for example

[zealous wedge]

and you probably need to own a car

[potent fossil]

i dont remember paying that much for my passport o.O

[zealous wedge]

passports are expensive :/

[peak ginkgo]

$110 for a US Passport Book

[stiff yarrow]

I know a few people making above 100k in non-senior positions doing web dev

[worn ember]

EU pay doesnt include other benefits tho like insurance and other mandatory pays companies have to pay for you that you dont directly get in your hand

[potent fossil]

i paid like 40 in 2014 i thought...

[peak ginkgo]

And then $35 at the Passport Office

[potent fossil]

i did it at the post office though

[spare venture]

pay in the US is generally better than in europe accounting for cost of living

[worn ember]

you cant really compare it

[woven otter]

yeah I know it's low for us but for me as eu citizen and in kinda lower income eu countries it's quite poggers

[peak ginkgo]

You paid the post office like $40 then probably it should've been two different payments

[vernal moth]

its also a different currency and shit

which complicates stuff further

[spare venture]

ive accounted for that mini

[vernal moth]

you cant really tho

[potent fossil]

maybe it was more, i dunno. i was much younger then, my mom actually paid for it

[magic river]

When I got my passport in 2007 (didn't renew it in 2017) I think I paid $35

[potent fossil]

but i thought it was much cheaper

[spare venture]

at least for my industry USA pays ~25% more at current currency rates and cost of living

[zealous wedge]

i got my passport in like 2017 or something?

[stiff yarrow]

whats your industry bortii

[magic river]

Wait, no, I paid like $120 because I got the rush job

[spare venture]

oil & gas, chemicals industry

[mental meadow]

got my ID in 2019 😄 I think it was like 20€ at the time

[zealous wedge]

heh good luck with oil & gas as a long-term career

[stiff yarrow]

I paid over 200 for my passport, but I paid extra to also have the passport card

[worn ember]

my passport expires in a month or two i think

[vernal moth]

ID or passport? passport is more expensive here too

[mental meadow]

ID

[spare venture]

petroleum products aren't going anywhere

[worn ember]

ima be an immigrant

[magic river]

I found out I was going on a trip like 3 weeks before said trip

[mental meadow]

I always say passport bc it's almost the same lol

but yeah a passport is expensive, like at least 60€

[worn ember]

ez cash grab

[spare venture]

in the U.S. we have the natural gas/shale boom that will make oil&gas relevant for my lifetime easily

[vernal moth]

right, ICEs are gonna be here forever ^^

[spare venture]

well, the petroleum product industry is a little larger than ICE

[vernal moth]

but I guess plastics are still kinda here to stay

[spare venture]

^

there's a lot more than just plastics, too

[vernal moth]

even tho we cracking down on plastics shit now

[spare venture]

not here

[mental meadow]

issue with passports is depending on where you go you have to get a new one all the time, since some countries won't let you in if you've been to others

[spare venture]

and as soon as the industry goes into decline i'll just move into other chemicals industry

[visual egret]

is there an enchantment that does the opposite of what durability does?

[stiff yarrow]

what

[vernal moth]

well, the issue with oil and stuff is that we kinda are running low on it, lol

[spare venture]

not on shale/natural gas mini

[vernal moth]

poor saudis

[spare venture]

USA has massive reserves right now

enough for a long time

[vernal moth]

USA also uses fracking to get it

[spare venture]

yeah

[vernal moth]

which is horrible

[worn ember]

well yeah, it doesnt degrade

[stiff yarrow]

we just need to wipe out more organisms and come back in a few hundred million years, ez oil

[spare venture]

so is drilling oil wells

[warm anchor]

I was under the impression we ain’t running low

Just the cheap one is low

[spare venture]

we do a lot worse than fracking lol

[vernal moth]

cheap = easy to get

[spare venture]

look into shit like mountain topping, or mining projects

much worse

[zealous wedge]

yeah, cheap oil will go away

[vernal moth]

bw barty, I am living next to giant holes in the surface of the earth

[spare venture]

ah

[magic river]

Saudis still have the kind of oil you can pump by hand

[worn ember]

still plenty in the oceans and antartica why do you think we're melting it all

[magic river]

The real cheap easy to access stuff

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[vernal moth]

as big as my city https://i.imgur.com/upEI7o4.png

[zealous wedge]

i've only heard of countries doing that when you go to israel? who supposedly don't stamp passports anymore, they give you a piece of paper

[mental meadow]

we have 42 more years of oil

[spare venture]

id say this is worse than fracking

[vernal moth]

visible from space https://i.imgur.com/1wPUGMQ.png

[mental meadow]

yeah, might be some others as well tho

[stiff yarrow]

@mental meadow that's current reserves

we can get more

[vernal moth]

barty: https://i.imgur.com/VHKpPpz.jpg

[spare venture]

the shale oil reserves in the US are utterly massive

yeah well fracking is a lot better than that mini

[warm anchor]

Yes Us has a lot of oil

[vernal moth]

as a kid I love it, I loved the giant baggers and shit

[stiff yarrow]

we can probably mine all of canada for oil when we start running low since no one lives there

[worn ember]

i can see my house from here

[vernal moth]

especially when they moved from hole to hole

[spare venture]

what we really need to do is get rid of fucking coal

[vernal moth]

they dismantled bridges to let them pass, lol

thats coal

[stiff yarrow]

is that a quarry mini

[worn ember]

the fok is fracking

[vernal moth]

its a surface mine

idw what the difference to a quarry is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine

[stiff yarrow]

probably the same shit

[worn ember]

quarry goes deep

[stiff yarrow]

quarry is for stone

[spare venture]

natural gas produces half as much CO2 as coal iirc

not great but significantly better

coal needs to be phased out asap

[worn ember]

cow would like to know your location

[potent fossil]

@slim nymph is taskchain still fine to use? doesn't need updates im guessing?

[warm anchor]

That’s not happening anytime soon

[vernal moth]

issue with fracking is what you ruin your ground water

like all the vids of ppl being able to burn their drinking water

[slim nymph]

@potent fossil yep, not much to update there

[vernal moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

[mental meadow]

I wouldn't drink tap water in the USA anyway, even without fracking lol

[spare venture]

well that's more because you're cracking open the reserves

[potent fossil]

cool thanks

[spare venture]

usa tap water is actually usually very safe

[worn ember]

instant hot water

[spare venture]

there's a ton of fracking going on in my state

[stiff yarrow]

its actually super safe outside of a few select towns where they had terrible infrastructure

[spare venture]

^

[mental meadow]

not as safe as here 😄

[worn ember]

lmao thats the biggest joke i've ever heard

[stiff yarrow]

you gotta remember USA is huge like xbox

[warm anchor]

Or that town in Michigan. Lol

[mental meadow]

tap water here is better regulated than bottled water

[spare venture]

is tap water in serbia any good

[slim nymph]

meme doesnt make sense now with ps5 being the biggest

[spare venture]

or ukraine

[stiff yarrow]

its the same for here

[vernal moth]

idk, I agree that burning natural gas is better than burning coal, both arent the future tho

[spare venture]

yeah i agree mini

but it's the reality for a while

[vernal moth]

(in fact, we did shut down coal plants in favor of natural gas here, also has the benefit of being able to start and stop faster)

[worn ember]

neither are renewables if we dont have proper ways of storing energy

[vernal moth]

also also, the US really hates us for doing that 😄

like, you guys are angry

[spare venture]

coal plants can be retrofitted to use natural gas too

[vernal moth]

cause we getting our natural gas from putin 😂

[spare venture]

yea you fuckin crook

[stiff yarrow]

USA is basically 50 countries, most of which are self regulating for a lot of their stuff and making their own decisions

tap water here is fine

[spare venture]

^

[worn ember]

Russia is less corrupt than USA at this point

[stiff yarrow]

less?

[spare venture]

that's like saying europe water is bad because the tap water in a small part of the ukraine sucks

[unkempt drift]

yeah, we have doctors that fall out of windows all the time here in the US

[magic river]

Isn't a LNG hub being set up at one of the ports in the EU so the US can send it over?

[spare venture]

please /s this, are you fuckin serious

[stiff yarrow]

ded that's the stupidest thing you've said

in history

[spare venture]

most likely, USA is starting to export a lot of LNG

[stiff yarrow]

you have to be completely ignorant to Russia to make a statement like that

or brain dead

[spare venture]

shale boom

[upper flicker]

if you want to take this to a political place it goes to #politics

[magic river]

One of your ports is going to be a small modification away from being the world's largest fuel air explosion 😄

[spare venture]

fukin bad image

[worn ember]

https://giphy.com/gifs/graffiti-hammer-revolution-1isbvxOadFAbJr6vYV

[stiff yarrow]

@spare venture explain shale

never heard the word before

[magic river]

.g shale oil

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Shale oil is an unconventional oil produced from oil shale rock fragments by pyrolysis, hydrogenation, or thermal dissolution. These processes convert the organic matter within the rock into synthetic oil and gas. The resulting oil can be used immediately as a fuel or upgraded to meet refinery feedstock specifications by adding hydrogen and removing impurities such as sulfur and nitrogen. The refined products can be used for the same purposes as

[potent fossil]

it's a mineral

[spare venture]

shale is a type of rock

theres a lot of it in the US

a lot of it contains natural gas trapped in it

[vernal moth]

dont need that if you can use right away. and we do have a ton of storage in germany

[spare venture]

but its very hard to get to, until recent advances in fracking tech

[stiff yarrow]

so basically its the coffee beans of oil

[upper flicker]

jesus christ marie

[worn ember]

yeah good luck with that one chief

[spare venture]

now we have the technology to cheaply fracture the shale and extract the natural gas

[vernal moth]

thanks, working great for us!

[spare venture]

and the methods are getting better every year

[magic river]

If you have a lot of mountains energy storage is a fairly easy problem

[worn ember]

the powergrid is entirely based on production and demand, if there is no wind or sun you cut your production by like 70%

[spare venture]

i took multiple classes about petroleum engineering in college so i've had to learn a lot about it

[magic river]

Pump water up the mountain when you have excess power, run it back down through hydroelectric generators when you don't have enough

[spare venture]

the biggest shale deposit is in westvirginia/pennsylvania/eastern ohio

[vernal moth]

https://energy-charts.info/charts/renewable_share/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE

[spare venture]

the marcellus ng reservoir

[mental meadow]

working great for us 😄

[stiff yarrow]

my advice for visiting America is don't bother with the middle parts

[spare venture]

midwest is nice tf u mean

[olive marlin]

I remember a few years ago Germany had lots of problems with renewables - like the fact that most of them were in the north, while most energy usage was in the south. And overloaded lines, had to push power through our lines until they got cut off.

[stiff yarrow]

midwest yes

middle no

[spare venture]

agree

[olive marlin]

But I believe it got a lot better now.

[mental meadow]

there we go

wrong chart

[worn ember]

that means fuck all if you dont have anything to stabilize it. eg: nuclear power plants, burning ovens etc

[spare venture]

in the us stick to the coasts or the midwest. anywhere else is generally a no-go

[vernal moth]

the issue was that we were building lines, but ppl were "hur dur no lines here!"

[mental meadow]

we use giant lakes as a reserve to stabilize it

[spare venture]

they are called flyover states for a reason

[stiff yarrow]

lolol

[vernal moth]

pump storage works partly for that

[worn ember]

thats an option, but its not very efficient

[unkempt drift]

pretty elitist of you to say that...

[spare venture]

hydropower is extremely disruptive to the environment

[magic river]

And by midwest I hope you mean Detroit or Minneapolis, you probably don't want to see the rest

[spare venture]

and is not the future

[worn ember]

you only get like 60% back from that

[mental meadow]

We have 55% hydropower lol

[magic river]

It doesn't need to be efficient, the sun is free

[mental meadow]

that's a lot

[stiff yarrow]

didn't China change the rotation of the earth with its super dam

[worn ember]

sure but that doesnt work everywhere

[spare venture]

wind/solar is the future, then fusion if we ever figure it out

[vernal moth]

pumpstorage isnt like your traditional hydro power

[unkempt drift]

solar is already fusion power-lite

[spare venture]

ye

[mental meadow]

We do have a lot of high mountains and lakes, so it's kinda natural to use them

[spare venture]

fusion power-adjacent

[magic river]

You use the solar to run the pump for the storage then use the storage to run things when the sun is hiding

[mental meadow]

The share of hydropower generation in the Austrian electricity mix in 2017 was 43% from run-of-the-river hydropower plants and 21% from pumped-storage hydropower plants.[11] Together, these two sources deliver 64% of Austria's electricity needs.

[worn ember]

flat ass belgium has non of those, all we got is wind and sun (if we're lucky)

[stiff yarrow]

so what happened to your former job borty, was it covid related loss?

[spare venture]

yeah i don't like hydro because generally it's very disruptive to the environment

nah i graduated at the beginning of december and can't find a job

[stiff yarrow]

that sucks

well its only been a month

[magic river]

belgium needs to hook up to france's grid then 😛

[spare venture]

got really close to one but fell through

yeah and i've been kinda waiting a month because no one hires in december

once my server launches i'm starting the hunt again

[magic river]

Feed them your wind and they run your shit when it's not windy

.g HVDC power lines

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current

[stiff yarrow]

my therapist told me to follow up to applications by emailing/calling the place asking if they've considered you yet, makes you look dedicated

[spare venture]

fortunately it's not like i'm going to be on the streets if i don't get a job for a few months

yeah i always send follow up emails

problem is getting an interview right now is tough

with covid

[worn ember]

most of our power comes from nuclear powerplants which they want to shut down in 2025, guess where there're gonna get that 50% of our power, oh yeah probably buying it from germany for 2x the price

i'm all for green energy but plz use your head lol

[spare venture]

i applied to 60 jobs in october, got 1 interview, that led to 2 more interviews, then no job 😦

[mental meadow]

imagine using your nuclear power plant for energy instead of music festivals

[spare venture]

didn't find out until december 10th that i didn't get the job, applied like october 15th

[magic river]

Oh yeah Belgium is running HVDC to Germany already

[stiff yarrow]

whats your degree borty

[spare venture]

i've been networking a lot too but no one is really hiring right now

chemical engineering

the ones that are hiring are not looking for entry level people

[worn ember]

yeah we cant make enough power ourself cuz 2 of our reactors are down and only like 5% comes from renewables

[unkempt drift]

iirc, petroleum engineers are the the highest paid, chemical can't be far off from that

[spare venture]

yeah they get paid a lot

just need to get a job lol

[magic river]

Red is existing, green is under construction, blue is proposed

[worn ember]

just tell them you worked on party realms, they'll hire you instantly

[mental meadow]

I used to live right next to a nuclear power plant and reading about all the incidents was always fun

[spare venture]

well i have a lot of good internship experience in a manufacturing environment

[potent fossil]

glare should wake up and pay attention to me rn

[spare venture]

good resume, just no one is hiring for entry level positions, and if they are, it's hundreds of applicants

[stiff yarrow]

nuclear power done right is legit, the problem is so many plants are outdated designs and public is spooked by them

[worn ember]

this tbh

[mossy vessel]

Damn that sux

[stiff yarrow]

Bill Gates is involved in a pretty dope nuclear plant design

[worn ember]

2 of our reactors are down cuz they have cracks in the reactor chamber lul

[spare venture]

nuclear is also an extremely expensive to get started and highly regulated industry.

[mental meadow]

I do like nuclear power, just like the science behind that, but living next to one and reading about shit like cracks in chambers or coolant leaks was always...interesting

[worn ember]

they were held open 20 years longer than they should have, but they still dont have alternatives

[potent fossil]

does anyone know what version guilds is in glare's maven repo? his browse is off and his docs just say VERSION and the version in his GH repo doesn't work lol

[spare venture]

nuclear powerplants basically need to be state run but tax payers don't want to pay the crazy amounts to invest in it

[stiff yarrow]

@mental meadow almost all nuclear plants are operating on ancient designs, read up on the plants bill gates is involved with, their designs solve so many of the current plants issues

[mental meadow]

I know, it's pretty interesting 😄

[worn ember]

they're by far the most efficient form of power, but they're not cheap to run

[mental meadow]

I really wanna tour one

[spare venture]

solar and wind are becoming extremely cheap extremely fast

they're the future IMO

for now

[stiff yarrow]

dyson sphere time

[worn ember]

ah yes 15% efficiency is the future

[spare venture]

maybe in 1000 years nossr :p

[mossy vessel]

solar power

[spare venture]

jfc ded it doesnt matter how efficient it is, the price/kwh is what matters

[limber knot]

We have the knowledge to do it, just not the resources

[worn ember]

it totally matters, do you know how much solar panels you need to power an entire city?

[spare venture]

we have a lot of space

[worn ember]

at least 3x its surface lmao

[spare venture]

cities are small compared to the open space

[worn ember]

probably more even

[limber knot]

There isn't much completely unused space left

[olive marlin]

Don't wanna cut out forest for solar power plant.

[worn ember]

supply power for half of europe too then plz, cuz we aint got no space left

[limber knot]

Wind/Solar is heavily subsidised, you need to adjust for that

[zealous wedge]

you able to access the maven-metadata.xml?

[worn ember]

the government dropped them here cuz they couldnt offord to pay them anymore

[spare venture]

that study was done accounting for subsidies

wind/solar are getting significantly cheaper as the years go on

[worn ember]

yeah but they're not the solution

they can help aid the transition, but thats about it

[limber knot]

Especially not a universal one

[zealous wedge]

ah @potent fossil https://repo.glaremasters.me/repository/guilds/me/glaremasters/guilds/maven-metadata.xml

[limber knot]

They don't produce much energy where the sun doesn't shine

[olive marlin]

I want us to finally finish nuclear so we can ditch heavily overpriced (and unhealthy) coal.

[potent fossil]

oh thanks.

[spare venture]

okay the world doesn't revolve around europe. most of the world has tons of free space and the capability to implement wind/solar

[ashen cliff]

Imagine not using a perpetual motion machine to generate power.

[worn ember]

i draw my power from shitposting

[limber knot]

Yes, gaining space through deforestation, the brazillians can show how much money that can make

[spare venture]

nuclear too expensive, if it's more expensive people won't invest in it, they will invest in cheaper technology

[olive marlin]

I plan on having solar on my roof in the future, but it isn't perfect solution sadly.

[worn ember]

no one said it does, but its still a world economy

[spare venture]

that first image i sent was the global cost

world economy says its cheaper

by 4x

[worn ember]

cheaper than what

[spare venture]

nuclear

[worn ember]

well yeah no one argued with that

[spare venture]

its cheaper than everything else

and will continue to get cheaper

[limber knot]

The lifetime is also smaller

[spare venture]

this is the levelized value

[ashen cliff]

How many wind turbines/solar panels do you need to build to match the output power of a nuclear reactor?

[limber knot]

Oh, and then there is the issue with overproduction

As well as storage

[spare venture]

the LCOE has it being significantly cheaper than nuclear

[limber knot]

Solar is useless if it produces too much energy or when it produces no energy

[spare venture]

capital costs are cheaper too

[spare venture]

cheaper capital costs $/kW for wind/solar vs nuclear, by a significant amount

operating and maintenance also cheaper

[ashen cliff]

Depends on location really.

[next frost]

also "cheaper" depends on how much it really costs to get rid of the waste

[spare venture]

PV is still cheap as fuck in europe

[worn ember]

does that include replacement costs?

[spare venture]

ded it's the LCOE... the cost is levelized

[worn ember]

now explain it like i have 5iq

[spare venture]

that's how cost assessments are done

i know you do

[limber knot]

Does your study also invlude the cost of energy storage?

[spare venture]

levelized cost means they take the sum of costs over lifetime and divide that by sum of electrical energy produced over lifetime

[worn ember]

no, cuz that doesnt exist yet 😉

[spare venture]

no because no one is storing energy like you're saying

[worn ember]

which is the whole issue

you can solely rely on wind/solar cuz they're not reliable

[spare venture]

battery technology is improving, it is important to have a mixture of energy sources to be diversified and have a safer baseline, but PV/wind are still the future

i'm not saying solely rely on it

[olive garden]

you can solely rely on wind/solar cuz they're not reliable

[spare venture]

i'm saying they're the future

[limber knot]

Which also makes nuclear and others more expensive as they only run in the night and when there is no wind

[worn ember]

cant

stfu trig

[olive garden]

love you too

[spare venture]

nuclear is like 3-4x more expensive than solar

IMO for now the future seems to be PV/wind combined with a natural gas baseline

[olive garden]

.g wind at night

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/digestive-faqs/a4892/my-wind-is-bad-enough-to-wake-me-at-night/

[spare venture]

lmfao

[next frost]

bruh

[worn ember]

gg

[visual egret]

what

[spare venture]

nuclear in its current state is not close to being the future

[stiff yarrow]

is that what people in the UK call it

[visual egret]

no

[spare venture]

maybe the future in 500 years

[visual egret]

seems like something americans would say

[stiff yarrow]

nah

[spare venture]

gas

not wind

[limber knot]

There are several forms of nuclear, we are currently only exploiting one

[spare venture]

yes and the currently one being exploited is significantly more expensive

[stiff yarrow]

solar energy is exploiting nuclear energy isn't it

[spare venture]

3-4x more expensive if you levelize it all

[worn ember]

its also 3-4x more efficient

[spare venture]

efficiency doesnt matter ded

[limber knot]

Well, depends on what efficency we are talking about

[spare venture]

if it costs 4x to produce the same amount of energy

that's pretty fucking inefficient

[worn ember]

if you have infinite space, sure

[spare venture]

i cant with you rn

[visual egret]

brawl

party vs ded

[spare venture]

the cost accounts for buying land and other capital costs

[limber knot]

If it's efficency depending on the cost (resourcewise - money is a ponzi scheme), yes, that is important.

[worn ember]

theres a lot more to it than just cost

[spare venture]

if land was too expensive, then that would be part of the price ded

but land is cheap as fuck

and the world has a lot of it

[limber knot]

Right now

[worn ember]

maybe where you are lol

[spare venture]

man internet arguments are something else

bbl

[worn ember]

land is more expensive than a house here

[limber knot]

Cost of land is a short-term issue

Although we aren't playing factorio here

[worn ember]

According to the Federal Government's website, the average price in Belgium is 105 euros per square meter, so the price of a plot of building land of 10 ares (1 000 square metres) soon runs up to at least 105 000 euros.

Its fun to belgian

[limber knot]

Belgium is federal?

[worn ember]

we have a king but its ran by a government

with the prime minister as head of state

kinda like the UK ig

[limber knot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation#/media/File:Map_of_unitary_and_federal_states.svg yep, belgium is federal, the uk isn't though

[worn ember]

all i know is that politics are way too confusing

[warm anchor]

@mossy vessel this is peak support

[mossy vessel]

That's how it works 👏

[worn ember]

timings report wen

[left swift]

is that a furry mc avatar

[worn ember]

either that or a 3rd arm and a bra on its head

[worn crest]

what xd I'm german and don't understand the graph xd

[mossy vessel]

Looks like a boxplot from wish.

[warm anchor]

I envy your imagination

[worn ember]

if only i could imagine stuff when it mattered

[cosmic raft]

aaaargh

this makes no sense

[zealous wedge]

hm?

[waxen panther]

i agree

it does make no sense

[cosmic raft]

"this apple id has not been used in the itunes store"
I login, and then the same thing again

[true canyon]

I found your first problem:

apple
🤣

[cosmic raft]

Yes, Apple.

All android tablets are trash

I say this as someone who has had to help multiple people with them - Google Nexus, Samsung, etc etc

[magic river]

I don't get the point of tablets in general except for kids

[wide chasm]

Phone screens are small, I'm not going to watch Netflix on that

[zealous wedge]

they're useful at work

can control sound and lighting consoles with a tablet

and they often won't produce normal computer remotes

[true canyon]

I'm more intrigued by touchscreen laptops.

[magic river]

I have my laptop or TV for netflix

[zealous wedge]

some yamaha consoles have iPad only remotes >.>

[sand epoch]

e-ink tablets

[wide chasm]

I don't have a TV (on my room) and I prefer having the screen up close. Laptops work, but are a bit bulky, I don't need a physical keyboard and mouse pad to watch Netflix.

[cosmic raft]

figurd it out

had to open Apple Music

[zealous wedge]

yeah apple and web services have never really gotten along well

[cosmic raft]

also, @magic river

[spare venture]

its the levelized cost of each utility $/mw

[cosmic raft]

in my case, for notes

iPad + Apple Pencil = best

[spare venture]

it shows that wind/solar are generally as cheap or cheaper than alternatives

[mossy vessel]

iPad + Apple Pencil makes you poor

lul

[cosmic raft]

poor?

[unkempt drift]

I wonder what steve jobs would've said about the apple pencil. He totally trashed styluses at the original iPhone reveal event

[mossy vessel]

Last time I looked the pencil costed like 100€

[next frost]

what iPad do you have?

I wrote on my surface book for a while but I'm getting angry each time I need to use that stupid software

didn't found anything good for notes on windows

[worn ember]

one note?

[sand epoch]

i have a 10.5in ipad pro (2017)

notability works great

i've tried onenote but it always wants to 'correct' my pen strokes and makes everything look worse

[mental meadow]

i'm pretty happy with my Galaxy Tab S4 so far, writing and drawing on it is really nice

[next frost]

yeah that's what I'm using, but we got assignments that we should provide as pdf and one note just split pages in the middle of a line

[worn ember]

yeah that sounds like M$ thing to do

[waxen panther]

the ipad apps for note taking are amazing

[sand epoch]

notability has clear page separators and lets you export as pdf

[next frost]

and you can't even show the layout directly

[next frost]

yeah that's what I'm aiming for

[sand epoch]

also the advertised 9ms apple pencil latency only really applies in the stock notes app

which is crap

so you end up with 20ms in notability, onenote, etc.

[next frost]

can't be worse than the surface pen latency sometimes...

[sand epoch]

it is very consistent

[next frost]

surface/onenote is always doing weird stuff for me

and it's also fun how bad windows works on their own hardware

never seen so many blue screens before

[mossy vessel]

What do you do with onenote it does weird stuff for you?

[cosmic raft]

8th generation

[next frost]

I'm just writing, I promise

[mossy vessel]

I really enjoy OneNote for taking notes

I used it to take notes at lecture sheets a few semesters ago, but for it really struggles with large pdfs so I moved on

Like 600+ pages

[next frost]

I've got a page that I can't open anymore because it freezes the computer for a while

[mossy vessel]

Figured exporting pdf to one note renders it as image being cached... sooo

lmao

[next frost]

maybe I should've split it up

it was like a half a year of math stuff

[sand epoch]

wow

[mossy vessel]

For pdf editing I'm using PDF Annotator or the Adobe one if I don't forget to renew my license.

[grand yarrow]

anyone know a free minion plugin (miner, farmer, slayer, etc.) with a shop that supports vault economy?

[twin lagoon]

nmf

[grand yarrow]

?

[twin lagoon]

not you

dunno what a good minio plugin is

[grand yarrow]

mk

[next frost]

nmf is a very good minion, but not a minion plugin

[worn ember]

mythic mobs lets you create your own, idk about any other

[mossy vessel]

Michele 👀

[visual egret]

nmf is a minion confirmed

5 hours 👀

disk compression be like

[magic river]

...

You can't compress audio, video, or images that are already compressed 😛

If there was any more entropy to squeeze out of those the encoder would have gone for it already

[visual egret]

im compressing a large disk, no idea what windows does to it

all i know is that it makes stuff smaller

because 20gb isnt a lot of space

[magic river]

It makes text files and executables smaller

[coarse lily]

I zip my zips

Then tar those

Just to make sure.

[worn ember]

The world will hardly notice -Ursa

[visual egret]

just generate a hash

then do random bytes until it matches the hash

😎

[worn ember]

hashes arent reversable

oh

well ok then

[visual egret]

ded are u ok?

any estimates on when mojang will release 1.17?

[mossy vessel]

Yes

[wide chasm]

Summer iirc

[stiff yarrow]

summer

[visual egret]

thx

[wide chasm]

Sorry, "mid-2021" according to the wiki /s

[worn ember]

summer time sadness

[visual egret]

imagine updating plugins

just delete api-version from plugin.yml 😎

[worn ember]

its not like you need to change it

[cosmic raft]

I gotta say

Experience using an iPad for the past hour or so has been great

[wide chasm]

I've already started working on 1.17 update for my plugin

[cosmic raft]

Makes me want an iPhone even more :p

[stiff yarrow]

if you don't update your plugin once a day are you even living life

[coarse lily]

iPads are pretty great.

[visual egret]

apple is actually pretty good for stuff

[worn ember]

i'm living the busy life

[visual egret]

oops, gotta edit it today too

[coarse lily]

I think some of the multi device stuff gets cool. Like being able to move files and states and whatnot across devices easily is handy.

[visual egret]

also the transfer thing to move from an old iphone to a new iphone

its stupidly easy

you just scan a qr code

[stiff yarrow]

I too like iphone

[visual egret]

place the phones on top of each other

and boom

[worn ember]

being a completely controlled environment is cool but also kinda meh at the same time

[coarse lily]

You don’t even have to scan a QR code

[visual egret]

not if you jailbreak

then you can get the best of both

[coarse lily]

You just put them near each other.

[visual egret]

then scan a qr code*

[cosmic raft]

Like

On android, 1Password integration is meh

on this iPad, it works great

[worn ember]

android is just a clusterfuck tbh

i hate developing for it

[coarse lily]

Yeah

iOS apps tend to be more polished.

[worn ember]

i love developing in swift but it sucks it HAS to happen on an apple device

[coarse lily]

Android stuff always feels slapdash.

[stiff yarrow]

on the flipside android TV is pretty amazing

[worn ember]

dont know anything about that

[stiff yarrow]

my sony has it

works great

[spare venture]

is it

[coarse lily]

I think you can write Swift for Android. You just don’t get any of the UIKit stuff.

[worn ember]

we use windows for our tv

[spare venture]

some TVs are starting to have android tv. most cheap ones do roku or their own proprietary

[worn ember]

yeah but you cant test anything

you cant emulate either

[coarse lily]

I want a TV to be dumb.

[spare venture]

the sony one my parents bought is android, and it's nice

[coarse lily]

Just a big display with an input.

[spare venture]

i prefer roku because i am familiar with it

[coarse lily]

I don’t want any bullshit running on it.

[spare venture]

and it supports PLEX

i watch everything on plex

[stiff yarrow]

honestly love my TV and its mostly due to android TV

also the TV itself is amazing too

[spare venture]

also the android TV doesn't have the spectrum app

what TV?

model

[stiff yarrow]

Uhh let me go check

[worn ember]

Tesla model s

[coarse lily]

It’s a TV

So TV Model S

Duh

[worn ember]

i watch tv in my tesla /s

[spare venture]

my parents recently got an OLED LG tv and an OLED sony tv, they are both the best TVs i've ever seen

[stiff yarrow]

sony XBR-65X850G

[worn ember]

i cant even afford pants

let alone a tesla

[visual egret]

rewrite paper in c++ then submit a pull request lets see how the devs react

[spare venture]

oo thats a good tv

[stiff yarrow]

https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x850g-x855g-x857g-series/buy/xbr65x850g-c this one

[spare venture]

is it one of the super thin ones

[stiff yarrow]

yeah I mean it is thin

[spare venture]

they're like 1 cm thick

except for the bottom part

[stiff yarrow]

I don't know how thin it is

its not super thin

[spare venture]

ah

[stiff yarrow]

but its thin

everything looks pretty pog on it

[spare venture]

https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-a8h-series
this is the one they got. i wish i had money

[stiff yarrow]

yeah mines not an OLED, if I upgraded I think I'd go bigger

[spare venture]

they managed to snag it for $1500, and their LG one (basically same model, but LG) for $1200

[stiff yarrow]

mine was like 1400

got it back in April I think

[spare venture]

oled is pretty neat

[stiff yarrow]

yeah my friend has an OLED

tbh my TV is pretty close, they have a bunch of wizardry tech to make LCD good now