general

[zealous wedge]

nope, chat component/othergame UI lib

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure/blob/master/api/src/main/java/net/kyori/adventure/text/format/TextDecoration.java

[peak ginkgo]

And it's getting mainlined into Paper

[minor badge]

thanks bot

[peak ginkgo]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/tree/feature/adventure

[minor badge]

technically correct

[zealous wedge]

well, paper will use adventure for its chat components

[magic river]

Oh, meh

[zealous wedge]

renamed kyori text

[peak ginkgo]

And all string based chat component stuff is getting deprecated

[zealous wedge]

if the bukkit PR for this had been merged years ago this would've never happened

but oh well

[peak ginkgo]

player.sendMessage("§cUgly"); is bad

[void void]

kyori text didnt exist years ago

[magic river]

I thought it was something ambitious, not a change that should have happened 4 years ago 😛

[coarse lily]

Then someone will submit a PR to rename paper to kashike

[zealous wedge]

nope, there was a bukkit PR for chat components in 2014 violet

[peak ginkgo]

The future is now
player.sendMessage(Component.text("Ugly").color(NamedChatColor.RED))

[void void]

arguably more ugly

[heady spear]

hello can we go back to talking about kotlin because it's my new favourite language

[magic river]

Most of the PR was in CraftBukkit though so you can't see it anymore

[zealous wedge]

nah dejay, it's player.sendMessage(text("Ugly", NamedTextColor.RED));

[magic river]

iirc it was just floating the internal mojang component system to API

[peak ginkgo]

I'm not old enough to even have known what a PR was when CraftBukkit was king

@zealous wedge static imports

[zealous wedge]

yes :)

[magic river]

So it was Bukkit interfaces that the Mojang stuff was patched to implement

[lean kiln]

why

[cunning raft]

material enum is more ugly than number ids, your point?

[peak ginkgo]

I think I use static imports for adventure in maybe two places

[lean kiln]

you just made two components

[peak ginkgo]

@lean kiln https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/tree/feature/adventure

[golden gust]

shame that that was lost, CB is never gonna see component support

[void void]

wtf is the color name for &3 again

[peak ginkgo]

i dont know

[cunning raft]

aqua?

[lean kiln]

components are immutable dejay

[peak ginkgo]

@lean kiln wait what have I been doing this wrong

[void void]

aqua is &b

its not cyan

[peak ginkgo]

Enlighten me

[void void]

dark aqua i think?

[zealous wedge]

lol i never learned the legacy codes

[lean kiln]

player.sendMessage(Component.text("Ugly", NamedChatColor.RED))

[peak ginkgo]

OHHHHHHH HOLY FUJCK

[lean kiln]

if you do it your way you clone the component

[peak ginkgo]

SHITS GETTING REMADE

[zealous wedge]

CommandBook had its own system that was like ``r` is red

[peak ginkgo]

https://u.dejay.dev/🍈🛀🏻😓.png

[zealous wedge]

and ``R` is dark red or w/e

[coarse lily]

Dark Turqoise is &3

[void void]

its dark aqua

[wide chasm]

That system sounds even worse

[golden gust]

I got no idea how people remember the codes and such

[void void]

i don't remember them either

[magic river]

wiki

[zealous wedge]

commandbook's was memorable

[golden gust]

I literally threw together a /colors command

[void void]

i was just spamming thru them in chat to find the color i wanted

[peak ginkgo]

I just knew em

I still kind of do but now I'm old

You can give me a code and I'll go "thats some kind of red"

[zealous wedge]

but now we have minimessage so we can just <cyan>hello there <bold>everyone

[magic river]

iirc I used to have red, green, and reset memorized since everything needed those

[minor badge]

🧓🏻 dis u dejay?

[meager tusk]

you remember them after using them for a long time

[heady spear]

tbh I love this whole "this is going to be expensive for networks with a lot of employees" bs. If you've got enough people on board to actually have to worry about this shit then you can afford to maintain your own fork lel

[peak ginkgo]

🧓🏽

@minor badge More like that one

skin-tone-3

[zealous wedge]

yeah tbh if you don't budget for maintenance you deserve to be crushed

[minor badge]

close enough

[peak ginkgo]

maybe skin-tone-4 depending on the day

🧓🏾

[heady spear]

don't bring monetary complaints to a FOSS community

[peak ginkgo]

maybe 4

[heady spear]

it's ridiculous

[wide chasm]

I always just use ChatColor.x internally and google the color code for external messages

[peak ginkgo]

I do that now

Or I use adventures namedtextcolors

[heady spear]

@zealous wedge hello the adventure changes took time or me to refactor can you pay me back because i lost money

[golden gust]

    init {
        val sb = StringBuilder("Colors: ")
        for (color in ChatColor.values()) {
            if (color.isColor) {
                sb.append(color.toString()).append(color.char)
            }
        }
        colorString = sb.toString()
    }

ez

[heady spear]

no cat

[potent fossil]

.kill cat

[limber knot]

rips off cat's arms and leaves them to die.

[zealous wedge]

no cat

[mossy vessel]

cat please

[peak ginkgo]

I see a way to use a stream

[zealous wedge]

there's no spaces :(

[coarse lily]

City I lost money reading your messages.

[peak ginkgo]

and I do not see a stream

[minor badge]

cat obviously has never seen buildString

[heady spear]

use https://kotlinlang.org/api/latest/jvm/stdlib/kotlin.text/build-string.html

[coarse lily]

Please send PayPal

[heady spear]

omg proxi

<333

[peak ginkgo]

two people just linked buildString

[golden gust]

that was coe I wrote years ago

[minor badge]

get FUCKED city

bigger brain faster brain .

[heady spear]

I am kotlin expert now thx

you have seniority on me tho

[minor badge]

🥺

[left swift]

hi city

[minor badge]

just a few years

[heady spear]

ur still cute tho

[zealous wedge]

hm i wonder when my first kotlin project was

[coarse lily]

1840

[heady spear]

zml is actually 350 years old

[zealous wedge]

https://github.com/zml2008/SpongeKt/commits/master january 2016

[minor badge]

woa zml has worked in kotlin a year longer than me 🥺

[peak ginkgo]

You know, telling me this... I feel like I've become a better person.

https://u.dejay.dev/⛅️🛏🛢.png

It's the simple things

I love this a whole lot

[coarse lily]

I can’t learn kotlin. I’m too old to learn new things.

[cunning raft]

save yourself

[peak ginkgo]

All of my plugins that use this library are about to get this beautiful change

[heady spear]

it took me a weekend to learn kotlin

[peak ginkgo]

I know Kotlin in theory

[coarse lily]

I spend all my time re-learning the names of my friends and deciding where I’ll die.

[heady spear]

yes old ppl stuff

[peak ginkgo]

And taking naps

[coarse lily]

Yeah normal old people stuff

[heady spear]

are you racist yet? otherwise it's time to jump on that

[peak ginkgo]

Don't forget naps.

@heady spear Jump to it imo

[coarse lily]

Aw man I can’t take naps

My inability to nap is one of my great weaknesses.

[magic river]

When did Kotlin 1.0 come out? I remember being really excited the stuff I was working on wouldn't break anymore when that happened

[peak ginkgo]

Inversely, my ability to nap is my great weakness

One time I woke up at my desk

I don't remember what I was doing

[coarse lily]

Grass is always greener

[peak ginkgo]

I just was here

[magic river]

Feb 2016

So I probably started in 2015, I don't think it would have been 2014

[minor badge]

kek

[coarse lily]

I just remember jkclemmons talking about kotlin all the time

[minor badge]

how many times has your kotlin broken since, amaranth?

literally rust tbh

[peak ginkgo]

I summon....

[magic river]

Considering I haven't written any since like Dec 2016 no idea

[peak ginkgo]

RoboMWM: Why is your API like this.

[minor badge]

oh ooft

[peak ginkgo]

GriefPrevention.instance.dataStore.getPlayerData(player.getUniqueId());

[zealous wedge]

eww public fields

[minor badge]

my kotlin stuff breaks in some way every release tbh

[potent fossil]

My brain is starting to shut down from lack of sleep

[peak ginkgo]

I hope he's on IRC and got that ping

[zealous wedge]

go to sleep simple!

pls

[minor badge]

he is, dejay

[potent fossil]

No it's 12pm

Gotta last till night

[zealous wedge]

sleeepppp

[golden gust]

See, I'm conflicted with Kotlin

[zealous wedge]

time is fake

[golden gust]

Like, I love it, and it's really nice to work with

[potent fossil]

I can't be waking up at 7pm 😫

[magic river]

I think https://github.com/amaranth/persistent-collections/commit/6e22631818d5689780e0384d028f70ccffe473bc is my earliest public kotlin

[golden gust]

But, they go crazy with ways to do stuff not the java way

[peak ginkgo]

Oh that's what your pfp is

[golden gust]

e.g. pointless helper utils all over the place which everybody using kotlin expects you to know about/use

[zealous wedge]

oh heh you have another persistent collections lib

[golden gust]

and it's like, i came from java, and that method does exactly the same thing under the hood

[heady spear]

hahahah octanemc is literally pay2win

imagine complaining about paper changes costing money for your p2w network

[peak ginkgo]

[minor badge]

oh up until you look at the "stream-equivalent" stuff, cat

[void void]

all that coming from someone who follows me on twitter

[golden gust]

I don't generally bother going anywhere near streams

[minor badge]

lemme just allocate a new list every call and recommend people chain them like 500 times >.>

[golden gust]

wut

[minor badge]

if you work on non-sequences, it does that

[zealous wedge]

kotlin sequences are nice

[heady spear]

I started following you two days ago because you seemed interesting lmao

[zealous wedge]

the non-sequence stuff is dangerous

[heady spear]

I'll unfollow you again, dw.

[void void]

i don't have anything to do with how we price stuff at octane

[golden gust]

Yea, that's what I hate about stuff like kotlin, is all the "under the hood" crap hidden away from you

[void void]

and i'm blamed for every dev-related cost

[minor badge]

it's nice if you use it for smth like 1 or 2 calls ig (even then, though, consider sequence), but still ew

[golden gust]

atleast with java it's generally easy to know if something is calling into a total fuckfest

[lean kiln]

if you have an idea of what it's hiding then it's ok

[minor badge]

it's fairly fine if you don't really use it places you have to care about performance or GC or anything tho

[golden gust]

Not to say that java is free from sin

Goood fuuuck the future API

[coarse lily]

Does kotlin compile to Java?

[golden gust]

No

it compiles to JVM bytecode

[lean kiln]

or other stuff

[minor badge]

LLVM IR or JS too

[golden gust]

they also have kotlin native, kotlinJS, etc

[waxen panther]

YES I AM

[golden gust]

But, you lose some features from the JVM version there

It kinda reminds me of a C#

[lean kiln]

all* pretty much

[minor badge]

which for the record is stupid and worse than you can imagine kotlin jvm being

[lean kiln]

you become limited to kotlin libs

[meager tusk]

[golden gust]

Like, yea, you can work on C# outside of windows

But, the amount of API available is cut down drastically and you generally gotta go hunting around for crap

[heady spear]

and i'm blamed for every dev-related cost
it's still hilarious to complain to a FOSS project about a p2w network's development cost

[golden gust]

am still waiting for some platform to fix cross platform UIs

[heady spear]

what have yall contributed back? 👀

[golden gust]

that would be really nice

[minor badge]

ok let's not pick this argument thanks

[true canyon]

Personally, I wanted the enum gone in 2014 under 1.7

[golden gust]

currently the best solution is to just run a damned web browser :/

[meager tusk]

anyone have any idea why this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752544631941759016/795387074369945630/unknown.png
happens on chrome only when running a sparkjava websocket? every other browser seems to work fine

[twin lagoon]

hey that's a nice screenshot

[meager tusk]

.

thanks I took it myself

[magic river]

I still say the Material enum is what killed Bukkit

[void void]

i hope this isn't how y'all treat each other @ noxcrew

[cunning raft]

just bytecode hack it back in amaranth

[minor badge]

OK let's NOT pick this argument THANKS

[twin lagoon]

proxi shut UP

how's my influx exporter

[minor badge]

shut UP michale

[twin lagoon]

wtF

[minor badge]

NOT in the works when you talk like that to me .

[zealous wedge]

and it was never fixed, because the reason spigot exists is that shoehorning the same api into every new version was cheaper :)

[meager tusk]

Michael can you make everyone in the staff team not use chrome

[twin lagoon]

wtf

[meager tusk]

[waxen panther]

paper be pogO today

[magic river]

Me and Wolv discussing how it should be replaced is when we all just kind of got sick of working on it anymore and then the Microsoft and Curse stuff pushed it over the edge

[zealous wedge]

and yet the shitstorms now will be 1000x worse than the shitstorms back then 😔

[warm anchor]

You are pogger

[magic river]

Our plan was to try to do something like ItemMeta for blocks and entities

[waxen panther]

am i your little pogchamp

[magic river]

That led me to ECS and taking that research to Sponge led to their API

[warm anchor]

[waxen panther]

[true canyon]

remembers the ECS talks. Those were confusing for my little brain at the time.

[golden gust]

private static final Pattern STRIP_COLOR_PATTERN = Pattern.compile("(?i)" + String.valueOf(COLOR_CHAR) + "[0-9A-FK-ORX]");

[magic river]

ECS makes it clear what a game really is: a distributed database with loose coherency requirements

[golden gust]

that's what bukkit uses for stripping color

[stiff yarrow]

is genshin impact good or just the hippest weeb game

[magic river]

Genshin Impact is weeb BOTW with gacha mechanics

[wide chasm]

You can do \regex\i afaik

I thought critics were generally positive about the game, but haven't played it myself

[stiff yarrow]

its all over reddit lately

[magic river]

It's super P2W due to the gacha part but the core gameplay is pretty good and the world is neat

[stiff yarrow]

how do you make a single player game p2w

[waxen panther]

it's not a single player game

[magic river]

Gotta catch em all

[waxen panther]

and it's a gacha game and they're always p2w

[twin lagoon]

weeb

[stiff yarrow]

not single player?

[waxen panther]

it's part of the fun

[warm anchor]

People beat the hardest content without spending a penny already so it can be don

[waxen panther]

you can def play without paying though, you just have to play a lot

[stiff yarrow]

why would I want to play BOTW with other people 😱

[magic river]

Sure, like all P2W games, you can trade money for grinding

[waxen panther]

it's nothing like botw really just has similar graphics ish

the gameplay loop is v different

[magic river]

Look at Assassin's Creed 😛

[warm anchor]

Multiplayer part of genshin is for domains (think dungeon in wow) that may be too hard for free to play

[magic river]

I say BOTW because of the art style and climbing

[waxen panther]

lisa climbing sounds 10 hour edition

[warm anchor]

The game looks really good (though only 60 FPS) for a free to play

[stiff yarrow]

Hmmm

they cap their engine at 60 fps or something?

[warm anchor]

They cap it yes

[stiff yarrow]

but why doe

[warm anchor]

Idk why

[stiff yarrow]

maybe they don't have above 60hz monitors in China

[warm anchor]

[magic river]

Even when following https://gafferongames.com/post/fix_your_timestep/ I've always done either lock to vsync or lock to 60 fps so I can see how that'd happen

[true canyon]

FK-ORX feels like it belongs in a more aggressive LOTR reboot.

[stiff yarrow]

https://regex101.com/

[magic river]

aww regexp.com died

[twin lagoon]

https://regexr.com/

[void void]

^ think thats what youre thinking of amaranth

[magic river]

Oh that's the one I was thinking of

[stiff yarrow]

I like 101 mo betta

so if I want to spend 0 dollars is genshin impact worth playing casually, I don't have no-life hours in me to grind out rewards, I'm just interested in that casual play

[golden gust]

it's a string

You, erm, don't have it quoted like a string?

Unless JS is weird as shit

Which, I mean, it's JS

[magic river]

prefix.replace(/\&[0-9A-FK-ORXa-fk-orx]/, '');

That'll only replace the first match

prefix.replace(/\&[0-9A-FK-ORXa-fk-orx]/g, ''); will replace all and you could simplify it to prefix.replace(/\&[0-9A-FK-ORX]/gi, '');

i means case-insensitive

[stiff yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozv4q2ov3Mk vibe time

[meager tusk]

[potent fossil]

You're writing this in JS?

[magic river]

>> '&aFoo&RBar'.replace(/\&[0-9A-FK-ORX]/gi, '');
"FooBar"

[void void]

that's the problem

[magic river]

regex works, dunno about the rest of it

[stiff yarrow]

When in doubt run the debugger

[peak ginkgo]

https://twitter.com/gegy1000/status/1345411431991308288

Gegy 🌍🏳️‍🌈 (@gegy1000)

Working on a ✨ magic ✨ mod where to cast a spell, you have to draw it in the air! https://t.co/ZahGUyBjRC

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im in the wrong field

holy fuck

[potent fossil]

Does your JS have Bukkit injected? Or is this just something weird as hell

Server I used to work on had a serverside version of that

No particles

Was very hard to use

But the players liked it

Not that, but same idea. Drawing spells.

[void void]

that's so damn sick

[potent fossil]

so i guess that's a no, your JS doesn't have Bukkit injected

[peak ginkgo]

@spare venture How is it NOT working?

> "&x&f&5&4&2&4&2January".replace(/\&[0-9A-FK-ORX]/gi, '');
< "January

[vernal moth]

I was informed of drama taking place in here?

[magic river]

eww I just realized your JS is using globals

[potent fossil]

drama you say

where?

[vernal moth]

I just tried soju for the first time, i am hell drunk, and I got popcorn

Please inform me of the details

[magic river]

Just your standard API sucks but people get upset if you change it drama

[potent fossil]

oh that

[heady spear]

Nah mate, real drama is on Twitter apparently

@vernal moth do you like itttttt?

the soju

[peak ginkgo]

I was just gonna recommend you use vault_prefix

[coarse lily]

Mini the only drama is us performing a quick rendition of the Scottish play. Unfortunately you are too late for casting.

[vernal moth]

The more I drink the better it tastes

It sure has some punch to it, lol

I thought I was prepared, but i wasn't

[heady spear]

I've never tried it

[magic river]

You could say the same about paint thinner, that's not high praise

[heady spear]

super hard to get in Sweden :p

[vernal moth]

At the start it tasted like pure ethanol, but with every sip it tasted better

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMh-z87t5c

[vernal moth]

Pls formally request my review so i get a notification and can handle it when am not drunk

@ cat, in germany we got a nice song called "i have a problem with alcohol"

https://youtu.be/XF9R7wIiRms

The live version involved a dude playing a flute using his nose

[void void]

why is there

[zealous wedge]

yeah gegy does some really neat things, she was posting pictures from that in another discord

[void void]

certain materials

and then wall versions of said materials

like why isn't sign and wall_sign the same thing

[magic river]

We have a similar song about pills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwxfmYR7ItM

[zealous wedge]

not to MC

[void void]

is it a minecraft limitation?

[next frost]

that song is so epic mini

[zealous wedge]

sign items, wall signs, and free-standing signs are different blocks

[vernal moth]

Hook goes like "yes i have a problem Alkohol, do you wanna sue me. Or is there "i loose all control" prohibition, show the paragraph"

[next frost]

or alligatoah in general

[zealous wedge]

probably keeps the total blockstate count down

[vernal moth]

"i am feeling super bad, but that's my fucking right"

[zealous wedge]

mojang makes some really weird choices though -- like every stage of copper is a different block type

not just a state

[warm anchor]

Maybe they wanna offer the option to players who want to freeze it in certain state? (Color)

[next frost]

oh pls

[magic river]

All the comments on that song I linked are about people finally getting off drugs

[vernal moth]

Boring

[next frost]

that would work with states too ig

[vernal moth]

Also sounds like a country song

[heady spear]

@mossy vessel now that I've been cancelled on l'twitter I should probably move onto onlyfans, coach me plz? 😍 👉👈

[magic river]

type vs state is super arbitrary

They're all different types underneath

[mossy vessel]

sure

Always up for guests :3

[meager tusk]

why

[heady spear]

I hope to have a thriving career

[meager tusk]

[zealous wedge]

yeah, like i can see why wall vs not wall was a different block type, since that reduces the total number of states

but copper being states wouldn't really

but yeah get ready for fun (or hope they change this in later snapshots)

the nice thing about states is you can cycle them easily with debug stick

[mossy vessel]

Gonna give you 5% of the next month share :3

[golden gust]

I think it's a coin flip between technical reasons and "fuck it"

[zealous wedge]

i think you're right cat

[warm anchor]

That coin is pretty rigged then. Seeing how many fuck if they got in the past

[zealous wedge]

though hm, may just be so they can support stairs and slabs in all the states?

[golden gust]

part of the thing is that there is logic which does care about the type

maybe they don't wanna have a singular block which has to deal with collision boxes for 200 different states

[stiff yarrow]

States? Nah we got blocks

[mental meadow]

Oh God

What is that

Why is that

How is that

[heady spear]

uwu @mental meadow

[mental meadow]

uwu@heady spear

[next frost]

uwu @mental meadow

[zealous wedge]

that's MC's blocks class :3

uwu

[mental meadow]

[quasi valley]

big to all of you

[twin lagoon]

shut up kenny

you're jealous

[viral hornet]

@quasi valley uwu

[mental meadow]

Kneny

[quasi valley]

ah yes, lazy eyed camm

[twin lagoon]

camm you fairdinkum aussie

[quasi valley]

[balmy portal]

can anyone help me with linux? and adding another ipv4 address?

[golden gust]

depends on distro and provider for specifics

OVH have a guide for practically all the distros

(they call them failover, because, you know)

[balmy portal]

Devian, hetzner

debian**

so i purchased 2 One additional IP with costs

[viral hornet]

@twin lagoon

20 hours

[peak ginkgo]

Do you see em when you do ip addr @balmy portal

[balmy portal]

1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b4:2e:99:cc:fc:78 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 168.119.145.147/32 brd 168.119.145.147 scope global noprefixroute eno1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet 168.119.145.149/26 brd 168.119.145.191 scope global dynamic noprefixroute eno1
       valid_lft 42710sec preferred_lft 42710sec
    inet6 fe80::5ba0:cf79:7489:283f/64 scope link noprefixroute
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

i see 2

but alot of other stuff ive never seen before

[peak ginkgo]

The IPs are already bound to your hardware have fun @balmy portal

[mental meadow]

147 and 149

[minor badge]

but then i'm never getting a review!

[peak ginkgo]

149 is /26 doe

[balmy portal]

i am missing 1 ip

[vernal moth]

Sssh

[balmy portal]

i remember for the last one i did something to add it but cannot remember

[vernal moth]

I'll review on work time proxi

Np

Tomorrow 10 am or smth

[stiff yarrow]

Do you work at work or do you “work” at work

[peak ginkgo]

You edited the interface, I don't remember where the file is or what it should look like

But godspeed

[balmy portal]

oof ok thats what i need to figure out

[golden gust]

depends on the setup

systemd network stuff is in /etc/systemd somewhere iirc

[balmy portal]

whats the file name im looking for?

[minor badge]

the amount of time spent waiting on mvn test and deployment makes me do both!

[zealous wedge]

smh people with computer jobs

[peak ginkgo]

/etc/network/interfaces

Maybe

[peak ginkgo]

What do you do

[balmy portal]

no file in there

other than interfaces.backup

[zealous wedge]

a whole lot of things :) but in theory theatre/live events

[minor badge]

@zealous wedge

[zealous wedge]

i guess technically it's computer work when i'm at a console but i can go full days without touching anything more computery than the internet radio tab of itunes

@minor badge

[peak ginkgo]

I do not have a real contributing person to society job

[coarse lily]

Most people don't.

[peak ginkgo]

I write plugins for YouTubers and lay in bed

[coarse lily]

Very few jobs actually contribute to society in a meaningful way.

Wait, sorry, too heavy for a sunday.

[zealous wedge]

some jobs take away from society in fact

[minor badge]

how are you z

[zealous wedge]

i'm awake and i hate commands

[stiff yarrow]

[zealous wedge]

also geantyref

[rare otter]

Good afternoon, I have a question. Does anyone have a dedicated OVH server?

[minor badge]

I actively work against society, DeJay

[twin lagoon]

many

[zealous wedge]

like the time i worked a pre-rig for an essential oils pyramid scheme conference!

[peak ginkgo]

Most, if you asked ne

s/n/m

[mental meadow]

If sys counts then me as well

[zealous wedge]

i try to do more decent work

but modern music festivals make it hard

they're so corporate 😔

[rare otter]

Michael I am about to hire the dedicated infra-2 I hope you are not trolling me and that this dedicated works super well xd

[potent fossil]

corporate more like dumb

[peak ginkgo]

Zml is more of a dj than Dj

[potent fossil]

wat

[twin lagoon]

i have like 20 of them

i wouldn't recommend them otherwise

[mental meadow]

zml makes music?

[zealous wedge]

corporate more like vendor activations whining about the power allocations in their sponsor packages

no i don't aurora

[peak ginkgo]

Zml does more music than I do, making them more Dj than DeJay

[vernal moth]

I get more work done than my coworker, and I play games in meetings. Does that answer your question?

[zealous wedge]

i spend a lot of time at festivals for someone who doesn't make music :)

well i guess i technically have an in-progress sound design contract for my old school

[peak ginkgo]

I haven't been outside in days

[zealous wedge]

go for a walk dejay

[rare otter]

Since you had seen my old CPU, so I will try with this one to see if it holds more than 90 people and go to 7tps

[twin lagoon]

an EPYC is ass so you'll likely see an improvement yes

[rare otter]

I will trust your word Michael because you were the only one who helped me at that time

I will trust you

If the server manages to improve, I will send a gift to your house

[mental meadow]

Michael getting gifts

[vernal moth]

Do I get beer?

[golden gust]

implying you've not already drank today

[vernal moth]

I am more drunk than normally, this is strange

Damm koreans

I don't even understand what's written in this bottle

But i know it must be juicy

[golden gust]

Why is it that everytime I droke about mini being an alcoholic or always being drunk, he's drunk

He's just too easy

[mental meadow]

which flavor do you have mini?

[vernal moth]

Idk

I don't speak asian

[twin lagoon]

send a pic

[vernal moth]

The bottle is green for what it's worth

[twin lagoon]

soju bottles are like always green

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQAG0JEb718

[twin lagoon]

original

[cedar spade]

imagine getting gifts 👀

[vernal moth]

I don't drink fake shit

Only OG shit

[golden gust]

Should live the teenage life

[twin lagoon]

i've heard good things about the flavoured versions

e.g. peach soju

[vernal moth]

Now watch me go into my kitchen and impersonate fucking mozart

[golden gust]

Go to the offlicense and find the biggest/cheapest bottle of cider you can

[vernal moth]

Wtf is offlicence cat

[golden gust]

off license

Basically, small store over here with a booze license

UK is fun

[potent fossil]

so a liquor store

[golden gust]

Well, yea

But, we're brits

tf do you expect

[potent fossil]

Fair point

[golden gust]

In the United Kingdom and Ireland the corresponding term is off-licence, which refers to the fact that alcohol may be bought on the licensed premises, but must be consumed off the premises

[potent fossil]

lmao

[golden gust]

sometimes I mock the americans for going negative IQ when naming stuff

But, damn, do we really try to take the title off them sometimes

[warm anchor]

Coming from a Brit

[minor badge]

cat is dum

😠

[warm anchor]

Fish and chips I was expecting Doritos

[golden gust]

fish and chips is dope af

[merry talon]

but everyone knows what that is

[golden gust]

The only issue is that good chipperies around the UK are a dying breed

[magic river]

You can't complain about Americans changing the names of things and that confusing you 😛

[golden gust]

All of them are pretty much owned by the Chinese these days

[warm anchor]

This is false to non native speaker actually

[warm anchor]

In the Us all the Chinese restaurant has Mexican cooks

[magic river]

I'll make fun of them for all the extra u's in their words but when americans decide to just use the wrong name for things that's not on the brits

[golden gust]

God, I used to go to a sushi store all the time

[warm anchor]

But hey if more American using it wrongly, it makes us the majority

[golden gust]

ran by a really nice chinese lady

[vernal moth]

Imagine requiring a licence to sell booze

[vivid ivy]

Am I allowed to ask for opinions on paper forks or is that forbidden?

[golden gust]

She used to warn me to not go to the chinese takeaways if you want proper chinese food

[vernal moth]

Here you can get booze on every corner

[unkempt drift]

Btw, Panda Express, literally best Chinese food out there

[golden gust]

Same for takeaways too, my bff is a paki and so her families food is just, it will make you cry

[potent fossil]

.kill Machine_Maker

[limber knot]

throws Machine_Maker to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.

[vernal moth]

Every späti sells you everything

[warm anchor]

You can. Just get ready to be shitted on

[magic river]

I think the chinese places here are run by vietnamese families

[vivid ivy]

I am already used to that, in many cases it is fully deserved too.

[warm anchor]

They are pretty cheap for the quality actually. I was surprised

[golden gust]

but, you'll be driving your spoon in for another bite when trying to stop the tears entering your food

[unkempt drift]

The orange chicken at Panda Express... I could eat a lot of that.

[golden gust]

Like, I have never had my mouth on fire that much but still wanted to keep eating the food because it tested so nice

[vivid ivy]

Alright. Have you ever heard of Yatopia? Seems to be a Tuinity fork, not sure what to think of it.

[mental meadow]

[golden gust]

horror is that as a brit, the spiciest stuff that many of us have in our cupboard is salt

[warm anchor]

Man this reminds me I used to go to this sushi place a lot for lunch... until covid fuck

[golden gust]

Stick to tuinity

[cedar spade]

General consensus is "Yatopia bad"

[merry talon]

[unkempt drift]

Yatopia

[zealous wedge]

yatopia is a joke

[vivid ivy]

haha i was fully expecting this reaction

How come? I'm curious.

[warm anchor]

If you use that you deserved to be unstable

[vivid ivy]

oh i never used it but someone recommended it to me.

[zealous wedge]

they merge a lot of patches without enough testing, or the skill to truly understand what the patches do

[unkempt drift]

It’s a fork of like 5 paper forks that just combine all the patches from all the paper forks

[warm anchor]

I hope that someone isn’t your friend

[golden gust]

I mean, one of their devs literally argued with us on our issue tracker when we said that a path was bad because it was going to drop player data

[viral hornet]

[golden gust]

they argued with us about how the patch wasn't bad and that it was fine, and that if their patch is bad, async chunks must be dangerous as all fuck

[vivid ivy]

that someone is a plugin author of a plugin that ehm...let's just say it suffers from the same thing zml just described.

[vernal moth]

See, i am extremely drubk right now. But even in this state I stay the fuck away from the dumpster fire that is yatopia

[golden gust]

This was like a week or two before they dropped the patch from their fork as it was deleting player data.

[vernal moth]

It's breaks horribly all the time

[vivid ivy]

hahaha

[vernal moth]

Fwiw, yatopia is run by the 14 year old child

[warm anchor]

This is peak pepega

[vivid ivy]

I'm starting to really doubt the author of said plugin...but the plugin is so nice :<

[golden gust]

biggest issue with paper right now is persistent death of the team, but, it's stuff we're tryna work on, Z went crazy with the approval queue

[viral hornet]

@quasi valley me

[golden gust]

I mean, the thing is that making a plugin look pretty on the outside is trivial

[warm anchor]

Name the plugin too we can destroy it as well

[golden gust]

keeping the code-base clean and performant is a whooooole different matter

[vernal moth]

Inb4 Chatcontrol

[golden gust]

take a look at stuff ...

[unkempt drift]

Everyone on the paper team is dying?

[golden gust]

Fuuuck mini called it

[vivid ivy]

It's called Auto-Tune. I genuinely like it. Give me your worst.

[golden gust]

I have health issues, aikar is busy with work, same for Z to afaik

[warm anchor]

/chc rm chc

[viral hornet]

Just the name of that feels sus

[cedar spade]

drubk
We know it's bad when Mini can't even type

[golden gust]

Still wanna get async player data working :L

[viral hornet]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/auto-tune-✅-supply-demand-dynamic-economy-✅-⚡1-14-1-16⚡.85715/

Is that it @vivid ivy?

[warm anchor]

What does it tune? The sound of server screaming? Or

[unkempt drift]

Emojis in title

[vernal moth]

Core team. Dev team is immune thanks to abusal relationships with alcohol

[potent fossil]

I was talking about Auto-Tune a few days ago. Not good.

[golden gust]

async player data is such a trivial patch to pull off

[warm anchor]

Holy fucking fuck

[potent fossil]

I reported it, but it's still up

[vivid ivy]

Reported?

[mental meadow]

yes, but I'm less important 😄

[viral hornet]

Elaborate simple?

[golden gust]

They're violating the rules

[vivid ivy]

leave it to the paper discord to destroy every joy

how so?

[potent fossil]

Yes, it requires an internet connection and breaks Spigot rules. It requires you to sign up for their external service and get an API key which is normally paid.

[golden gust]

You're not allowed to sell stuff through spigot

[viral hornet]

ah

[potent fossil]

The keys are currently free, but not for long

[golden gust]

Well, outside of spigot on free resources, etc

[vivid ivy]

it will most likely stay free

[zealous wedge]

the only way things can cost money is if they're a paid resource

[potent fossil]

Also the code is a fucking dumpster fire.

[golden gust]

if it was a 3rd party API you have 0 control over, that's fine

[warm anchor]

And this very thing fucked up @vivid ivy server

[golden gust]

(assuming that there was merit to what the plugin itself offered)

[warm anchor]

I wonder why lol

[potent fossil]

The API you are signing up for is a black box, too.

You are not allowed to know what it does.

[warm anchor]

Lol

[viral hornet]

automatic dynamic pricing sounds reallllyyyy nice though, tbh.

[warm anchor]

Crypto network

[mental meadow]

We do have that in our Shop Plugin

[golden gust]

Making your server rely on somebody elses black-box is moronic

[zealous wedge]

it sounds really nice, until some day the algorithm guesses wrong and you can't fix it

[vivid ivy]

So to be fair, it will most likely stay free. and to be also fair, it's my own fault that i barely had disk space left.

[magic river]

Automatic dynamic pricing is also kind of easy if you sit down and think about it for a day

[potent fossil]

It's a good idea, sure. But it's not implemented well at all.

[zealous wedge]

and you end up with covid-priced flights

[cedar spade]

MysteryAPI™️: adds 3000% more unknown-ness to your server!

[potent fossil]

Doesn't matter if it stays free. You cannot require internet access.

[viral hornet]

I'm missing two things:

1. Math
2. Java knowledge

[vivid ivy]

Same

[vivid ivy]

Which one is that? o:

[golden gust]

The thing is that there's so many aspects to dynamic eco's is that they can basically make or break your server

[merry talon]

this made me laugh because this is 100% of the garry'a mod server ecosystem

[vernal moth]

Since when do you need java knowledge for writing a plugin?

[mental meadow]

It takes the volume purchased in the last days by job, then add that up to 1% on to the less profitable jobs and remove that from the more profitable

[golden gust]

but, it's not really hard to pull off

[magic river]

Just look up TCP flow control algorithms

[mental meadow]

Private, sorry

[potent fossil]

Also, I really don't like the idea of blackboxing the implementation of whatever changes prices and shit

[vernal moth]

"premium" section on spigot tells me java knowledge is optional

[vivid ivy]

Oh, alright, no worries.

[mental meadow]

you can also use kotlin

[magic river]

TCP flow control is trying to do the same thing an economy is trying, find the highest price where buyers won't balk

[vernal moth]

But das worse

[viral hornet]

Economy is always hard to get right in servers though.

[mental meadow]

tru

[viral hornet]

Having the prices of things change depending on how much they're bought/sold would be neat.

[golden gust]

Never had any issues manually managing an eco

[vivid ivy]

But while it is a bit of a dumpster fire, when it works, it works well. and when there is an issue, he replies and fixes it within minutes. and i appreciate that.

[zealous wedge]

i've seen some terrifying economy spreadsheets passed around

[merry talon]

just implement real capitalism

ez

[mental meadow]

The calculation behind that is a dumpster fire

[golden gust]

You just have to accept that eco-inflation is pretty much a side-effect of having an eco

[magic river]

Every N time something isn't selling you drop the price a little and every N sold you raise the price a larger amount

[viral hornet]

Everything got worse after Mojang fucked enchanted books / making villagers OP

[zealous wedge]

eco-inflation sounds like some kind of environmental movement

[magic river]

So it zigzags around the ideal price

[vivid ivy]

yeah that's about what that plugin does in a nutshell

[zealous wedge]

the question is why it needs a web service to do that

[golden gust]

there is always gonna be some sad-ass handful of players who literally no-life the server all day

[magic river]

$$$

[potent fossil]

uh well, if you enjoy it...i guess cool. still a dumpster fire and I'll recommend people not to use it lmao

[vivid ivy]

it adds an interesting dimension to the economy though, the prices varying a bunch is quite interesting for players.

[golden gust]

beause they wanna protect their algo and get $$$

I really doubt it's some revolutionary formula

[vivid ivy]

oh yes, i realized that quickly as well. despite that plugin we have one player that owns 40% of the money.

[zealous wedge]

time to implement a wealth tax :)

[viral hornet]

oh my god

https://i.imgur.com/LMhJb4z.png

[magic river]

You can make the thing more complicated with more rules but if that's the core of it you'll have something decent

[golden gust]

Biggest thing I sorta found to help is having end-game shit for people to drop cash on

[warm anchor]

Can they even make it look better. ASCII art is not that hard...

[vivid ivy]

wealth tax is actually a great idea.

[golden gust]

e.g. enchantments, etc, or gear and such

[viral hornet]

I did not baz

[mental meadow]

https://waste.cutiepie.at/e47v6eqct2teyww3 if anyone is interested lol

[vivid ivy]

like custom enchants?

[magic river]

You have to have gold sinks

[golden gust]

We had an inflated eco but it worked well because people could throw their cash towards getting gear for newer players, etc

[magic river]

Otherwise you have to have tight control over the currency supply instead

[golden gust]

and, for the love of all fuck

if you have jobs on your server, you fucked up anyways

[vivid ivy]

no thanks

[mental meadow]

Na we're fine with jobs

[potent fossil]

iirc, auto-tune is literally:

• onEnable: hook into vault, register some buy/sell/gui commands
• when you buy something, it deducts and hits the blackbox which returns the new item price
• same for sell, except it adds and hits the blackbox

[magic river]

btw one of the first rules you should probably add to the algorithm I gave above is price floors

[potent fossil]

there u go that's the plugin

[golden gust]

gaming jobs is pretty simple

[mental meadow]

If you do it smart and regulate the jobs it can work

[magic river]

Otherwise if your server isn't very popular or players work to game the market they can get your end game gold sink to be cheap

[golden gust]

I had somebody able to make mega bank by just having some sticks

Like, the plugin is such a clusterfuck

[viral hornet]

^

[golden gust]

Wasn't me configuring it, and it was yeeaaars ago

[vivid ivy]

what are good moneysinks then, custom enchants?

[viral hornet]

You have to go through fucking everything to prevent players finding a way to fuck shit up

[magic river]

Stupid bullshit status symbols

[golden gust]

We ended up spending waaaay to omany hours on the thing to where actually worked

[potent fossil]

oh god please not custom enchants for the billionth time

[zealous wedge]

custom enchants, fancy particle effects, custom textured hats

[vivid ivy]

hahaha

[magic river]

Although you're probably selling those status symbols for real money

[golden gust]

when we reset the server, we decided between, do we wanna tweak the jobs config or throw it out

We just went back to admin shops for some stuff and ecouraged player trading better

biggest thing is to have means for people to spend cash

[ashen cliff]

We removed jobs on the last reset and added MCMMO, but without the money part.
So you are just farming for yourself.

[vivid ivy]

ew

[minor badge]

@zealous wedge

[golden gust]

I mean, the plugin is probably better than it was, but, player best trading works out more stable than having players isolating themselves off working

[vivid ivy]

removing villagers and mending is probably actually a great idea.

[viral hornet]

@spare venture looks good!

[mental meadow]

[viral hornet]

I like the gui

[vivid ivy]

Agreed zzzCat.

[golden gust]

Jobs literally makes cash out of thin air

[ashen cliff]

Good luck implementing player trading here. People just steal, refuse to use /trade or chestshops.

[vivid ivy]

The main way that I want to help that a bit without losing the shop plugin entirely is by localizing it on citizens at our actual marketplace

[ashen cliff]

And you can only ban 99.9% of the player base.

[golden gust]

Yes, really

[cedar spade]

Imagine having an economy on your server

[mental meadow]

imagine having a server

[golden gust]

in a proper eco, it's all down to supply/demand, not making cash out of effort

that's why we went the route of having limited admin shops

[viral hornet]

We make our server market really pricey; to encourage players buying from other players

[warm anchor]

Remove all diamond in game. Only pay by hours worked. True capitalism

[golden gust]

We didn't make it pricy, but, we made it easish for players to undercut the server markets

[vivid ivy]

back in the day on our server, you could only sell and not buy, that also helped.

as in, to adminshops

[golden gust]

we only really sold stuff which weren't in the maps or where stuff people didn't wanna grief the world for

Well, yea, it was heavily farm based at the core

[cedar spade]

"help y does my ecomony not work i set diamond sell to 3000000000000 in the config but it doesnt work"

[golden gust]

e.g. you'd be able to sell off farm products to the admin shops

BUUUUT

You could also sell off farm stuff to your mates who'd pay you more, etc

Not really

[cedar spade]

Maybe really

[golden gust]

Like, it blows more ass than before, but, it's not that bad

[viral hornet]

Uhh, its still pretty bloody terrible lol

[golden gust]

large server owners are generally not really all that skilled in server management

[viral hornet]

Wtf

[golden gust]

and their attempts at limiting stuff are generally the more moronic means

[mental meadow]

?ban @void void Troll

[golden gust]

Who even the fuck is Xander?

[leaden oxide]

ecSploit#1337 was banned | Troll

[minor badge]

some guy I banned, Cat

[viral hornet]

No idea

[warm anchor]

[vivid ivy]

I'm already proud at the fact that 10 people can even play on my server without tps dropping

[minor badge]

threatened another guy, so he got the fuck out

[viral hornet]

See, that's sad.

[vivid ivy]

with 2 vcores of some 10 year old xeon and like 6GB of ram

[golden gust]

Like, I see people limiting their servers with crap like ultimatestacker

[warm anchor]

He’s gonna send his entire fan base here now. Just watch lol

[golden gust]

sure, they've got less time spent in ticking entities, but, their server is fucking itself over in more beautiful ways

[viral hornet]

Yeah, I don't think things have improved at all in regards to farms (talking about hoppers, observers, etc).

[golden gust]

mobs themselves, especially those used in farming, really haven't changed much

[minor badge]

remember that thing I talked about, Camm?

[golden gust]

We outlawed automation

automation was just a laggy BS fest, especially for PvP

[viral hornet]

Honestly, no haha

[minor badge]

smh

[vivid ivy]

it would be great if minecraft promoted a more effective way of farming rather than just having more entities

[golden gust]

I mean, I don't run a server these days because health, only real thing of concern I've seen change is the collision stuff, which afaik was heavily neatured vs what it was in vanilla

[viral hornet]

& players want automation though. It's a part of the game, it just sucks how much it burns performance

[vivid ivy]

I'm not exactly a coder. But I think I might need to elaborate on what I mean with that.

[golden gust]

I do gotta find the time to try and profile stuff better, just, constant death and any time I do have where I'm not dying too much is spent on actually earning cash

[vivid ivy]

that's not what I mean

[golden gust]

really nothing new there

[vivid ivy]

let me elaborate

[golden gust]

collisions are the only aspect of mobs which I've seen hurt servers more outside of newer mobs being dumb

existing mobs have generally heavily not changed

only other concern is the "are we ticking this chunk" logic which last I recall was not really a thing on paper anymore

Go grab useful reports or something

I've not seen anything to suggest any issues specifically with entities outside of the rest of the game being much more expensive

[twin lagoon]

yeah with collisions fucked off your server will die at 3k entities

[golden gust]

mobs have always been expensive

Just, especially with the rest of the server core being heavy, mob performance is even moer of a scape goat

[vivid ivy]

so here is where i think minecraft could go a little of a different route: so let's say you want to farm leather, what is the most effective way to do that? To spawn/grow/kill the most amount of cows in the shortest amount of time, correct?

[viral hornet]

I would loveeee if Mojang somehow prevented a lot of auto farms (iron golems, raid farms, etc)

d r e a m

[golden gust]

My biggest headache with modern MC is getting people to provide concrete info or look into stuff, especially with the rest of the game being so heavy, it causes so many headaches elsewhere where stuff taking a chunk of time each tick is muuuch more of a pressing concern

[vivid ivy]

Why so edgy when I'm just theorycrafting/talking about what they could make better?

or what could be made more interesting in general

it's not like i'm sitting here reeeeing about "fix this mojang"

[merry talon]

probably because people tend to complain instead of looking for a solution to their problem

everyone's jaded

[vivid ivy]

especially here i've noticed that

[warm anchor]

Preach!

[vivid ivy]

nah, it was just something that i thought would be cool idea so i wanted to formulate it out

[golden gust]

Like, the game has never been masively performant, and all the trivial crap added on like the chunk system just takes servers running fine at like 40ms a tick much closer to the oh shit part

entities taking like 20ms a tick at a few k is nothing new

[vivid ivy]

i'm not usually of the complaining type, i like talking about these things and finding creative solutions although i'm not capable enough to make these things myself

it's more of a "hey what if..."

[deft peak]

Hello, i just want to ask how can i download Java 11 on Windows x64 ?

[vivid ivy]

q_q

[golden gust]

when you add crap like the chunk system blowing a few dozen ms between itself, and moronic things like bees, etc, it blows ass

[vivid ivy]

you really don't like me talking do you xD

[golden gust]

adoptopenjdk, they have all the builds on there

[zealous wedge]

cat has just heard the same things too many times now :)

[golden gust]

That's literally what I've said consistently for the past few minutes...

[deft peak]

Thanks man im sorry im a complete noobie also Hotstop or OpenJ for more performance ?

[golden gust]

use hotspot

[twin lagoon]

.java11

[limber knot]

Follow the guides for how to update to Java 11 here: https://gist.github.com/Proximyst/67615353e2575a71faaff3f7ae9cc2b4

[twin lagoon]

read that

[coarse lily]

I think spitballing ideas isn't super helpful. Ideas are cheap. Implementation is the hard part. People who build stuff don't have much interest in people who don't sitting around coming up with ideas for things. Not a commentary on you - just a general observation.

[vivid ivy]

anyways, the cow thing. what i wanted to say was, imagine if instead of just having to have mass amounts of entities, it would be nice if you could manipulate a small amount of entities to be more useful. I think I saw a plugin a long time ago where for cows specifically for example, if you place a cauldron with water, a bunch of hay and make sure they have enough space and whatnot, you could drop a lot more items from them.

[vivid ivy]

Yeah, you might be right.

[golden gust]

The biggest issues with entities is the fact that they do stuff

savings for entities specifically are generally slim

[vivid ivy]

I guess this is the wrong place to just throw ideas around for fun.

[golden gust]

most of the gains would be in nerfing tf out of behavior like villagers

[coarse lily]

You also have no skin in the game if you're just coming up with ideas. I know it usually isn't the intention but you're basically just coming up with work for SOMEONE ELSE to do.

[golden gust]

But, most of the perf gains are in framework

[coarse lily]

Which isn't cool.

[golden gust]

e.g. the POI system

[viral hornet]

At what player count?

[coarse lily]

"You know what would be great? If someone other than me did this thing which is probably a lot of work"

[vivid ivy]

My intention was not exactly coming up with work for others either, I just like the whole "what if..." brainstorming thing

[coarse lily]

If you can't do the work or back a person to do the work then you aren't actually part of a solution.

But again - just an observation.

[vivid ivy]

alright alright, i received the message

[golden gust]

I've been far too ill to touch stuff too much over the past year

[vivid ivy]

never telling anyone about anything anymore lmao

[golden gust]

Bahahahaaaa...

there's so much crap on my todo list

kinda miss having leaf around, ngl

[vivid ivy]

Moreso to avoid any misunderstanding.

[viral hornet]

Just hire your own developer you can tell your ideas too 😛

[vivid ivy]

q_q

[fallen oracle]

Facts.

[warm anchor]

Throwing idea is fine but you have to make sure you throw out educated idea not like those “omg I have this idea I just need someone to code it for me” type @vivid ivy

[golden gust]

I mean, leaf is the person who did the refactor to get rid of the "is this chunk ticking" every tick

[warm anchor]

Coz that annoy the fuck out of people in the know lol

[vivid ivy]

I know, that was not my intention, I'm actually not sure why I came across that way. If anything, feedback would've been way more interesting.

[golden gust]

Like, I calc'd that that logic could easily add a few MS per tick when dealing with typical entity counts for a server, and he looked into it and solve it

few other things we both ended up highlighting and such which got fixed somewhat early on

[vivid ivy]

Am I? I thought the feedback was "stfu, don't talk about it, code it"

[golden gust]

only horror is being ill I wasn't able to run around reviewing and approving stuff as much

[viral hornet]

Anyway

if you place a cauldron with water, a bunch of hay and make sure they have enough space and whatnot, you could drop a lot more items from them.

This is a cool idea, @vivid ivy

[fallen oracle]

That's what is so nice about being able to read and write code because you can turn ideas into realities.

[vivid ivy]

i think this just comes down to personal preferences and whether you like spitballing ideas even if they never come to fruition

[viral hornet]

I've always liked the idea of having some kind of benefit for actually setting up animal pens properly

Over having a meat cube of 100 cows in a 10x10 fenced off area.

[quasi valley]

😂

[warm anchor]

Glare

I mean this is a lot better than paper 1.0. Back in the day, He’d be burnt on a stick with half dozen of us cheering

Lol

[vivid ivy]

Look, I admit it, I'm not a coder, I don't actually intend to solve anything, nor am I telling anyone to code something. I just genuinely like to talk about these things. I'm a game design student.

[viral hornet]

I mean, https://i.imgur.com/X6pT4gz.png

He's not posting his ideas in #paper-dev asking someone to do something for free. There's no reason he can't throw his ideas here, if you don't like them you don't have to comment on them.

[vivid ivy]

I think you guys sometimes need a little distance from here. When I see the questions being asked in paper-help sometimes and the way people react to you trying to help, I'd also be hostile half the time

[warm anchor]

I think we are just in general more acceptable to harsher criticism

[vivid ivy]

or assume the worst for that matter

[warm anchor]

I mean you have city here being shitted on everyday and liking it

[mental meadow]

I think all of you just need to calm down lol

[vivid ivy]

criticism is good generally but sometimes it seems like a bit of a circle-jerk of just mindlessly shitting on things

correct me if i'm wrong.

[warm anchor]

I mean I am pretty clam slowly hiding away pitchfork

[vivid ivy]

It's not about the idea, I'm talking generally

I'm genuinely not making this about my idea, it is just something that i observed in general, I've been here for a while

[valid mango]

It's a good lesson. You should always search for something yourself for at least a little bit of time before asking hundreds of other people to help you. A lot of the times you can sufficiently link the very first google search to a question and they'll be like "Wow thanks just what I needed" and you just face palm because you let this person waste both of your time rather than telling them to just learn how to google something.

[quasi valley]

ryoyo was literally just taking about an idea, calm down people

he didn’t ask for anyone’s top level advice

[left swift]

i want to ree too what are we reeeing about today

[potent fossil]

Yeah I was reading up to see what happened and I couldn't find a reason this

I just saw some discussion and someone went berzerko

[vivid ivy]

Aside from the fact that the idea itself barely got criticized, only after I elaborated 5 times that I wasn't asking anyone to actually make this.

[cunning raft]

you're criticizing the idea of giving ideas, not the idea itself

[quasi valley]

you stopped criticizing and just started talking nonsense, Barty

[vivid ivy]

this

I have in fact, not said, Mojang should, unless my brain is completely fried.

[viral hornet]

Mojang should do a fucking lot lmao

There's nothing wrong with wishing that

[potent fossil]

Ah man I'm too sleep deprived for this.

[valid mango]

Yeah idea sharing is a bit different, fine to come up with ideas. Still good to search them before sharing them though. Someone who thought they came up with something brilliant might already hav ea huge thread talking about it and they just never bothered to search for it first

[potent fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-disappear-vanish-gif-9727828

[vivid ivy]

point 1

[vivid ivy]

point 2

[viral hornet]

Yeah, there is nothing wrong with saying that? He's not expecting Mojang bloody add that to 1.17, he's just voicing thoughts lmao

[vivid ivy]

"Mojang should" and "Here is where I think minecraft could go a little of a different route" are the same?

[potent fossil]

Nothing but there was no reason for it

[vivid ivy]

Didn't I already elaborate on that many times?

That was fine as criticism

And I understood it

I thought we've cleared up that misunderstanding

[potent fossil]

Anyway how about that airplane food

[vivid ivy]

By me elaborating why I said it

[potent fossil]

Shut the fuck up

Airplane food

I was once woken up and forced to take the airplane food after I told the flight attendant I didn't want it

She got visibly angry and forced me to take it

And she came back to make sure I was eating it

[vivid ivy]

🤷

[potent fossil]

I'm literally not lying

[quasi valley]

why? 😂

[potent fossil]

It was fucking weird

[left swift]

she worked hard walking that food to u simp

u better eat it

[quasi valley]

and did you have to pay or was that inclusive

[golden gust]

eat it u fuq

[twin lagoon]

what log types exist for paper/spigot?

[left swift]

simp so rude

[potent fossil]

It was included in the ticket

[quasi valley]

huh

[left swift]

free food and U WONT EAT IT

[golden gust]

log types? o.O

[potent fossil]

It was a chinese airline, all I can guess is maybe it's an airline rule for very longhaul flights that customers have a meal

[warm anchor]

~~I guess she’s not cute ~~

[twin lagoon]

sec

[left swift]

free

[twin lagoon]

"[15:15:36 WARN]:"

[left swift]

food

[fallen oracle]

Warn, info, severe,

Uh

[viral hornet]

FATAL?

[twin lagoon]

what glare is saying yes

[vivid ivy]

ERROR

[potent fossil]

Well yeah, it was paid for in the ticket. But I wasn't flying for the food and I wish she hadn't woken me up cause I could've slept the last 6 hrs till landing

[fallen oracle]

Yeah fatal is one

[viral hornet]

Warn, Info, Error, Severe, Fatal?

[potent fossil]

But whatever, the noodles were good

[left swift]

see

[vivid ivy]

the one i see all the time :^)

[twin lagoon]

ERROR SEVERE & FATAL are probably the ones i need

ty

[viral hornet]

[vernal moth]

I wake up every other hours in planes anyways

The flight back home from Bali was a fucking torture

[vivid ivy]

i recommend edibles before flights.

[vernal moth]

14 hours in a plane, just to be stranded in moskaw out of all places

[potent fossil]

I usually take a sleeping pill and knock the hell out. Which is kind of why I didn't want the food. I was pretty fucking drowsy from the medication

And she was like "noodle or rice."

And I was like what.

[vernal moth]

Spend 15 hours in the business lounge at moskaw

[potent fossil]

And she repeated it. And I was like no thanks. And she went NOODLE OR RICE.

I was like jesus christ ok noodle.

[vernal moth]

At least they had free alc

[warm anchor]

Free shitter beer? At least?

I was about to ask

Lol

[potent fossil]

Yeah I LOVE lounges. I usually walk up and just ask at the desk if I can pay for entry cause I buy economy tickets

Sometimes it works and the free alc is 💯

[warm anchor]

Maybe they have weird quota on how much they can push the food down your throat

[vernal moth]

I used force entry

Basically, our flight to moskaw was hella late cause some storm above thailand

[merry talon]

wtf is the difference between severe and fatal

[potent fossil]

On second thought it was really more likely a language barrier issue

[vivid ivy]

ask your doctor

[merry talon]

those two and critical all mean the same thing to me

[potent fossil]

She probably didn't understand I didn't want it

[vernal moth]

And we weren't the first plane to be missing connection flights there

[warm anchor]

Lol this is funny

[quasi valley]

fatal is worse

[vivid ivy]

I'd rather have severe cancer than fatal cancer

[vernal moth]

So i annoyed the lady at the desk long enough to give my family first class tickets for the next day, cause she couldn't give me flights for today

And then I had a long discussion with the business lounge lady cause she didn't wanna let us in

[potent fossil]

I took the cheapest airline I could and it was China Eastern. Nobody spoke English. They had a little booklet for me to read for the safety speech because it was in Mandarin and nobody knew English to give it in English

[warm anchor]

Ain’t you German. You just have to stare at them until they comply /s

[potent fossil]

So, language barrier is actually most likely

[vernal moth]

Cause we sure didn't look like buisness but i made her call her manager and that dude didn't speak English so he just gave up

Was fun

[left swift]

cheap planes

[potent fossil]

I travel for the destination, not the flight

[vernal moth]

Flight back from moskaw was amazing

[potent fossil]

I take a pill to sleep on them. So doesn't bother me.

[merry talon]

the pilots are all paid the same

[vernal moth]

First thing they asked me was what champus and wine i would want

And gave me a huge fucking menu

I kinda wanna fly first class all the time now 😂

[potent fossil]

Then again I fly a looooooot. Obv not recently due to covid, but normally a lot. So I'm used to no leg room for extended periods

If someone doesn't fly often I see the appeal in a more expensive seat

[vernal moth]

How long is your flight to the Philippines?

[merry talon]

yeah but mini was that one of those situations where it sounds complimentary but then you get a huge ass bill at the end

[potent fossil]

Depends. I don't do direct flights unless it's really a good (and rare) deal. If direct, I think it's 17 hours. Not the longest ever

[vernal moth]

Nah, i was entitled to stuff cause EU got my ass

[merry talon]

lol

[potent fossil]

But more typically, 14 hours to China. Layover 4-12 hrs. 4 hours to PH

[vernal moth]

EU is heavily pro consumer on flights

Ah ok, sounds horrible

[potent fossil]

The lounges in China almost never enforce ticket restrictions on lounges tho. Employees will let you in and pocket the fee.

So it's not bad, I go in lounges and just drink and eat.

[vernal moth]

We actually got money back for that flight, i think 200 euro per person or smth, cause of the delay

Thank God for the EU

See that cat? Just another perk you will be missing out on

[potent fossil]

EU refunded you?

I borrowed my dad's American Express card because he's been a customer for 20+ years. Every dispute is won.

[golden gust]

we already have a lot of protections from the UK side of stuff