It all went downhill from there
#general
warm anchor
slim nymph
just gotta really hope the vaccine stays good and blocks it too
waxen panther
just be less popular smh
warm anchor
just gotta really hope the vaccine stays good and blocks it too
Yeah um that herd immunity is gonna be impossible in US
untold copper
lmao why
warm anchor
~~Coz mah freedom ~~
waxen panther
๐บ๐ธ ๐ฆ
untold copper
We started the year with a bit over 5.5k members on the Discord server. As of writing this, we more than doubled that number and are now sitting at around 14.6k members.
shell vine
untold copper
wow
warm anchor
Can we kick snoopa to reduce that number 
spiral robin
waxen panther
can we make everyone join ioe
untold copper
Can we kick snoopa to reduce that number <:Thinkeng:264703959015489537>
๐
slim nymph
this button right
untold copper
ha
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
calmly presses it
untold copper
ah yes
waxen panther
no
waxen panther
no banning eternity ๐ก
untold copper
warm anchor
no banning eternity ๐ก
waxen panther
untold copper
runs
fallen oracle
So Paper always had PDC for blocks / chunks and it's only new to Spigot recently, right?
untold copper
whats pdc
untold copper
oh and congrats
In March, Glare was added to our moderation team. You might know him from various projects such as EssentialsX, PlaceholderAPI, and more!
Damn, has already been 9 months? I guess that's like 1 covid month.
warm anchor
Donโt worry covid season 2 is coming to everyone
warm anchor
Currently in UK and part of US only
waxen panther
cant wait to max the battle pass on the new covid dlc ๐
warm anchor
Lmao
slim nymph
@fallen oracle no, i was working on porting EMC's API to paper when PDC came out, so it killed benefit even though I like my API better and still use my API over PDC, specially since i have no benefit migrating my data to PDC either lol
fallen oracle
So what's this nbt stuff with blocks and chunks now on Spigot?
fallen oracle
Talk to me when you can but custom model data on blocks ๐ฆ
slim nymph
I have persistent meta on worlds and block level ๐
fallen oracle
Jurrassic World Evolution is free on Epic Games atm.
untold copper
is it any good
fallen oracle
Is that just a mirror of the spigot stuff?
slim nymph
no its an entirely diff api
fallen oracle
Old website for Paper
untold copper
fallen oracle
This just looks like paper's api
slim nymph
Z750 loves godzilla
slim nymph
This just looks like paper's api
what api? this isnt in paper lol
it was a PR i was working on and never finished
fallen oracle
No I'm talking about the repo.
zealous wedge
who doesn't have bukkit forks lying around, right
fallen oracle
Yeah
Hey Aikar, off the top of your head, do you know if the default completion in ACF is only for regular contexts?
ancient bolt
happy 2021 y'all
limber knotBOT
Hello :)
hello
Is there any good way of lowering ram usage outside of lowering render distance
limber knotBOT
Yes
I have used paging but
Use taskmanager and go on a killing spree
Still
ok
If you are lucky there is a task consuming a lot of memory
vernal moth
How much do you have allocated right now?
limber knotBOT
Usual paging work but my panel breaks with it
you know pterodactyl
I know this isnt a good question for paper chat sorry
oh 2000m
2000m
quasi valley
2000 meters of memory
limber knotBOT
lol
i mean 2 gigs
btw if your running on a system with limited ram swap is really good
twin lagoon
not really
minor badge
if youre on a system with limited ram, buying more ram is really good
minor badge
buying memory is easy as fuck
limber knotBOT
it costs money
i dont have alot of money
i want to optimize
any good tutorials
minor badge
.optimize
limber knotBOT
additional tips for improving server performance - https://www.spigotmc.org/posts/3684550
ty
minor badge
take the hits you can afford and want to
limber knotBOT
thank you alot
Also, if you have control over it, you might not want to use pterodactyl as it has an overhead of 1 - 1.5 gb
im running it on another server so it doesnt really matter to me
Oh, your client is the bottleneck?
no
the server and panel and client are all on different computers
twin lagoon
Also, if you have control over it, you might not want to use pterodactyl as it h...
that's irrelevant
that's java & paper itself
limber knotBOT
yea
dealing with mob spawns kinda sucks on a smp
if you put it to high too many mobs spawn and server lags and people are annoyed about too many monsters but then if you lower it mob spawners don't work and they complain to you so much
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@twin lagoon hewo
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limber knotBOT
I would pre generate the map but people on my server cry about wanting to see 1.17 generation so i have to wait
mental meadow
heowoow
visual egret
kash did the thing
meager tusk
void void
it's never going to happen
heck, their search is fundamentally broken imo, they'd need to invest a lot of time into fixing it :p
you're sadly better off cloning the repository and throwing few ripgrep commands...
mossy vessel
If you are looking for long term search, you can clone the repo's history and create a new repo
wild escarp
go is great
cosmic raft
kash did the thing
of course I did
visual egret
why do screenshots on iphones look perfectly normal on iphone but on pc it looks grainy af
mossy vessel
You need an iMac to view them properly.
visual egret
im designing an entire login system with sessionid's etc and i havent tested anything yet
void void
Imagine writing a huge plugin and then testing it the first time. Nothing works lol
visual egret
ive done everything except creating accounts and sessionid's
im halfway through account creation, zero progress on sessions
void void
For what do you need it in the first place?
visual egret
well im doing lots of projects and they all require some kind of login system
void void
Hm ok
visual egret
eg: im into game dev but the people who play my games are dum so im making a game launcher for them
oops you kind of need accounts for that
limber knotBOT
Ask
void void
why does this happen on the server?
visual egret
visual egret
why does this happen on the server?
changes in world generation
limber knotBOT
I think it's .dontask
void void
we haven't changed anything.
visual egret
are you sure?
quasi valley
you haven't but the game has
limber knotBOT
Did you update the game?
visual egret
if you updated the server, you changed it
void void
are you sure?
Yes.
visual egret
thats impossible then
quasi valley
not impossible, but improbable
visual egret
well yeah
void void
we just started the server yesterday, and already this ..
limber knotBOT
If you haven't updated the server then the seed of the world has somehow been changed or you landed on a very corrupt chunk
Did the server crash at some pointร
visual egret
did you download a world of the internet or did you let the server create the world
or did you put the world onto the server in any way except generation
also what plugins do you have
/mods
void void
no, we generally introduced the seed to the servers properties.
limber knotBOT
hi
void void
also what plugins do you have
One minute..
visual egret
no, we generally introduced the seed to the servers properties.
did you change the seed before the world generated for the first time?
void void
CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, IllegalStack, LuckPerms, Matrix, PlaceholderAPI, ProtocolLib, TTA*, Vault, WorldEdit
we had a world, we deleted it, and generated a new one with a seed.
void void
Iam getting this error :(
void void
But it says warn
limber knotBOT
You are using a 1.12- plugin in a 1.13+ server
void void
What
visual egret
it should still work, its intentional most of the time
limber knotBOT
Update you plugins
crimson jasper
oh yeah, don't get me wrong that's a huge problem, but people over subscribe to that idea and make everything out to be the XY problem... I've posted literal paragraphs of detail before to different communities about a specific problem I'm having and people have sent "What are you trying to do?" as a response.. as if I'm trying to play 4d chess with them.. what I'm trying to do is in the question!
limber knotBOT
It's never intentional
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@vernal moth I think we found the 87 legacy plugin guy a little further up
limber knotBOT
It is laggy and should not be ignored
void void
It's never intentional
How do I update all my plugins
limber knotBOT
Update them, manually
void void
Ummm
visual egret
oh yeah, don't get me wrong that's a huge problem, but people *over* subscribe t...
but this isnt a paragraph is it
void void
oh boy
But the Config than ?
Geolykt, are you aware that not all plugins have api-version set?
visual egret
^
void void
some plugins don't set that intentionally
crimson jasper
but this isnt a paragraph is it
I know, hence why my response was talking generally... I'm not trying to 4d chess you :P
void void
Geolykt, are you aware that not all plugins have `api-version` set?
What is api-versions ?
visual egret
umm
void void
if you don't know, then it does not matter for you
visual egret
if you dont know what it is dont bother
void void
just carry on
limber knotBOT
Yes, and if it isn't set correctly it means that they are outdated
void void
not always
limber knotBOT
Always, or they dev is an maniac
void void
stop talking out from your ass
visual egret
^
void void
but this isnt a paragraph is it
WDF
limber knotBOT
Not setting it slows down startup by 30 seconds
limber knotBOT
It's not just an warning, it also loads dozens and dozens of classes
void void
Warning!
TOXIC
visual egret
Not setting it slows down startup by 30 seconds
well yeah but they got like 50 plugins that have that
so you know
there kind of isnt a point
olive garden
It's not just an warning, it also loads dozens and dozens of classes
and what do you want to do about it?
crimson jasper
What is api-versions ?
api-version is something that goes into your plugin.yml file to indicate which overall version of minecraft your plugin supports. It became a thing with 1.13 so that servers would know whether that plugin needed legacy material support.
olive garden
like what is the point of this conversation
limber knotBOT
It loads the whole legacy 1.12 api
visual egret
and what do you want to do about it?
not a single thing if you arent hosting on a pi
limber knotBOT
It also does a fair bit of ASM
raven mountain
can someone link me paper 1.8
visual egret
or apex hosting
limber knotBOT
raven mountain
i need it
quasi valley
.download
visual egret
its a stupid idea
void void
`api-version` is something that goes into your `plugin.yml` file to indicate whi...
Oh so I use 1.16.3 do the legacy material will support ?
limber knotBOT
visual egret
why do you need it
limber knotBOT
In the legacy downloads section
twin lagoon
Oh so I use 1.16.3 do the legacy material will support ?
literally just ignore the warning
visual egret
why do you need 1.8 paper
raven mountain
for my server
visual egret
why
void void
Okay :D
void void
literally just ignore the warning
Okay
visual egret
do you need 1.8 specifically for your server
limber knotBOT
No, the legacy plugins will not work if you set the api-version yourself
void void
dear god what's going on here
visual egret
smh everyone go to #paper-dev and #paper-help
limber knotBOT
nah, it's nothing
void void
No, the legacy plugins will not work if you set the api-version yourself
you are quite wrong
Wait if I use paper 1.12 and use via version and use geyser can I connect with 1.16.200 Mcpe version to 1.12 server with via version plugin ?
twin lagoon
no one cares about 1.12 here
visual egret
Wait if I use paper 1.12 and use via version and use geyser can I connect with 1...
yes but why
topaz mortar
And no one cares about Bedrock
void void
1.12 is the most stable version :D for server
twin lagoon
it's not
visual egret
bruh
mental meadow
oh god
visual egret
if you want playercount go with tunity
limber knotBOT
1.16.4 absolutely latest is stablest
mental meadow
what is going on here
twin lagoon
you use a free minecraft host you have 0 rights of claiming 1.12 is the most stable
void void
And no one cares about Bedrock
Okay bec i was trying to make cross play server
visual egret
1.16.4 absolutely latest is stablest
pin this
void void
no
crimson jasper
1.12 does use fewer resources overall though
void void
what is going on here
My Dog and my neighbour Dog was fighting and my friend told see World War 3 is going on
topaz mortar
1.17.3 will be most stable version this year. ๐
twin lagoon
what the fuck is this chat
void void
.$.
twin lagoon
it took one person to lower the average IQ to -4
mental meadow
michael uwu
twin lagoon
aurora 
void void
figured
._.
Yea
[12:50:09] <+DiscordBot> <NโOTโ Dโevโ> I have -1 million iq ๐
._.
quasi valley
._.
limber knotBOT
What are the advantages of not setting the api-version if it is done intentionally sometimes?
twin lagoon
;-; -.- -_- xD
limber knotBOT
IRC
void void
That make soooo sense
_.
limber knotBOT
Burn him at the stake!
cedar spade
What are the advantages of not setting the api-version if it is done intentional...
If you don't set it, Spigot will require your access to the Material enum and other 1.12 compat stuff
crimson jasper
Who is +discord bot ?
basically this guy
twin lagoon
can we ban this guy for being under 13
cedar spade
*rewrite
quasi valley
yea who could that be
quasi valley
._.
twin lagoon
kenny uwu
mossy vessel
Can we all stop being so brain dead please? K thx.
void void
Iam -14 year old
twin lagoon
not true
twin lagoon
oskar has more braincells than you
topaz mortar
Time for the hardbreak and the drop of the legacy layer. Nearly 3 years after the flattening no legacy Plugin should be used.
void void
wow ableist, ban
limber knotBOT
wtf micheal
limber knotBOT
im writing a paragraph in discord
void void
no don't
limber knotBOT
dont worry
quasi valley
Ctrl A Ctrl C?
limber knotBOT
what's wrong with randomly alternating
void void
haha lmao rofl
3 Quill bots
๐คฃ ๐คฃ ๐คฃ ๐คฃ ๐คฃ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ @void void
that was so damn hilarious
do it again
What happened ._?
limber knotBOT
yea we should all just age by 50 years and only use irc
void void
Did I did anything ?
limber knotBOT
KennyTV: hangar wen
void void
post that gif again
limber knotBOT
:smolTHEMAN:
void void
Okay
visual egret
Someone make this a tag please:
1) LATEST + TESTED = MOST STABLE
2) 1.8 IS NOT THE VERSION YOU SHOULD RUN FOR A 1.8 PVP SERVER, RUN LATEST
3) YES YOU CAN RUN GEYSERMC ON OLDER VERSIONS, JUST DONT
4) YOU GET NO SUPPORT FOR LEGACY BUILDS
``` just solved 90% of paper discords questions:D
minor badge
can we like not bully eachother thanks
void void
Yea
twin lagoon
@minor badge u smell
void void
can we like not bully eachother thanks
How much brain cells u have
minor badge
?kick @void void
twin lagoon
too little
leaden oxideBOT
NOT Dev#6636 was kicked | No reason given.
twin lagoon
void void
wow ableist
vernal moth
<@!134340832093405184> I think we found the 87 legacy plugin guy a little furthe...
oh god no
limber knotBOT
Why are you even recording that stat?
twin lagoon
ngl pretty sure we have a fuckton of legacy plugins too
minor badge
I believe I've got quite a few also lol
quasi valley
it's an interesting thing to know, is it not?
mental meadow
I think I got like 15 or smth
mossy vessel
I've never bothered with the api version if I didn't need to access the material stuff ๐
vernal moth
Why are you even recording that stat?
so that I have stats to back my argument up for removing all the bullshit layer
twin lagoon
how do i even see that
limber knotBOT
bstats?
quasi valley
bstats
vernal moth
/pl, * = legacy
twin lagoon
o
cedar spade
mandatory paper-plugin.json when
twin lagoon
is it all of them complaining about api versions?
limber knotBOT
I would support that
minor badge
i only have 4, surprisingly enough
vernal moth
legacy = no api version (or well, < 1.13)
quasi valley
do those 4 actually need the layer or simply don't have it defined?
limber knotBOT
Finally one reason to close my two issues with the one spigot-specific bug I haven't bothered to fix
vernal moth
dont have it defined
quasi valley
oh yeah
twin lagoon
44 plugins
vernal moth
and like, if you dont have it defined by know, what are you doing?
twin lagoon
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the rest are announcement, dynmap, and some other commands plugin
mossy vessel
wtf michele
quasi valley
and like, if you dont have it defined by know, what are you doing?
people literally having no clue of the updates of the past 7 years 
twin lagoon
i'm on the bandwagon of not updating shit until it breaks or until it needs updating
pretty sure ii have a playtime plugin from craftbukkit 1.2.5
still in use on 1.16
cedar spade
imagine knowing anything about modern MC
vernal moth
well, if you update, you might not even encouter bugs because they have been fixed already
10 line plugins like that dont really count michael
minor badge
michale also uses CHC, so he's kinda forced not to update some of his plugins kek
twin lagoon
what is chc
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chatcontrol
mossy vessel
cedar spade
mandatory bstats
limber knotBOT
paperstats when?
minor badge
plug it, mini! plug it!
cedar spade
hangarstats
limber knotBOT
If that happens we need to put average tps as a statistic
I should add that to my own plugins tbh
void void
ะ ะพััะธั ัะฒััะตะฝะฝะฐั ะฝะฐัะฐ ะดะตัะถะฐะฒะฐ
ะ ะพััะธั ะปัะฑะธะผะฐั ะฝะฐัะฐ ัััะฐะฝะฐ
limber knotBOT
English, please
void void
(ะฝะต ะฑะฐะฝััะต)
twin lagoon
english
void void
@candid imp/)
limber knotBOT
what
ancient bolt
paperweight can now produce a jar which is (I believe, haven't tested) basically identical to the current paper jar
compiled from mojang mappings though
minor badge
have you ever toyed with r2d2 (Rust), demon?
i believe i'll need to write some pool adapter for it >.>
oh no i don't :D
this is epic
void void
for what
topaz mortar
Lobby: 7 legacy
Sky: 3 legacy
City: 3 legacy
MineZ3: 2 legacy (dynmap, simplyvanish)
They need to decrease.
ancient bolt
no i haven't
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because fred is typesafe and i dont trust myself with redis commands :-)
void void
China han seems to love travertime
marble cosmos
anyone can help me?
minor badge
.ask
limber knotBOT
If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.
void void
And maybe #paper-help or #waterfall-help are better places to ask
ancient bolt
marble cosmos
how i can fix this
void void
Update java
And maybe #paper-help or #waterfall-help are better places to ask
@marble cosmos just do exactly what the message tells you
I don't get how to not see that
twin lagoon
then update
marble cosmos
@void void
void void
Its old
twin lagoon
what's so hard to understand about that message
marble cosmos
how ?
twin lagoon
update your java to 11
void void
Theres java 15 now
twin lagoon
by downloading and installing java 11
twin lagoon
marble cosmos
i can't find it
limber knotBOT
Did Java 16 release?
void void
twin lagoon
you haven't even tried it
marble cosmos
11?
void void
Or newer
twin lagoon
marble cosmos
oke
twin lagoon
i can't find it my fucking ass
marble cosmos
thanks
twin lagoon
@meager tusk
meager tusk
Michale 
twin lagoon
that would be a lovely command yes
@cosmic raft can you add a bot command linking to https://adoptopenjdk.net/ to help incapable people to download & install java 11
"Uninstall your current Java, download AdoptOpenJDK 11 (Hotspot, not OpenJ9) from https://adoptopenjdk.net or download it through your package manager if your OS contains OpenJDK 11 already. (Re)start all of your Minecraft servers once done."
meager tusk
void void
And maybe also a command explicitly saying how to fix that warning
mossy vessel
Michele you are late https://i.imgur.com/ZkOG28M.png
twin lagoon
nmf u suck ok
mossy vessel
That as well
twin lagoon
mossy vessel
๐
twin lagoon
void void
Discord very good at counting
minor badge
someone you've blocked reacted to it
quasi valley
did you block duck? ๐
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@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
potent fossil
ok i am hungover as hell, just cleaned dry vomit from the floor
happy 2021 everybody
๐ฅบ
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potent fossil
minor badge
oh it's just promises
potent fossil
Crystall random q did you used to go by the name CrystalMare
cunning badge
Nah, always been crystall or crystalld0tdev
potent fossil
o ok
cunning badge
But the 2nd one got too cringe over time
potent fossil
as long as you are not crystalmare then i am ok with you
void void
https://owo.whats-th.is/R2g7ky4.png <:suspecc:400089772665733130>
tf
.g rust pinkie-swear
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.etsy.com/market/pinkie_swear
void void
also ffs i can't do that
i'm on old hyper & hyperlocal :(
renovate keeps harassing me with this PR
worn ember
my dad: "yes you should study a lot so you get good grades"
also my dad: playing music for the entire street smh
marble cosmos
and this how?
fallen oracle
Oh dang that latest commit makes a lot more sense as to why something happening yesterday was happening.
safe plover
twin lagoon
are you trying to run a minecraft server on a fucking iphone
twin lagoon
monka fucking W
that's an odd java version aswell but iirc there's a flag for it
sec
-DPaper.IgnoreJavaVersion=true
safe plover
Okay, thanks
void void
Hi...
safe plover
I just wanted to try this, because a dev made java work on jailbroken iphones
so, why not
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
Yea
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
if it's a new iphone it'll guaranteed perform better than the shittiest shared hosts
limber knotBOT
It's probably parsing the class version
safe plover
Its an iPhone 11
twin lagoon
easy
safe plover
If u jailBroken Your IPhone it will be useless
What do you mean ? Im having the best experience on my jailbroken iphone
limber knotBOT
You should contact your java vendor about this
void void
Bro y u r Jail Broken your iPhone 11 ._.
twin lagoon
ignore him lean
safe plover
Yeah... looks like ill do that
limber knotBOT
Why would you not jailbreak an iphone?
safe plover
Atm, theres only openjdk 16
void void
Do what every u want I will mind my own business
limber knotBOT
Voiding the warranty is the best thing you can do
void void
:D
limber knotBOT
Yeah makes sense
safe plover
Jailbreaking doesnt void warranty tho
limber knotBOT
I have no knowledge on this topic
safe plover
Just saying
potent fossil
Yes jailbreaking voids warranty.
You can't turn it in jailbroken, you have to reverse it to factory settings.
Only some jailbreaks can be reversed
Those which can't, you are fucked.
potent fossil
there are quite a large amount of JBs that cannot be reversed
point being tho, the act of jailbreaking does indeed void your warranty
if you wish to use the warranty, you have to unjailbreak
safe plover
And you can do that in minutes
potent fossil
sometimes
limber knotBOT
Provided the phone is responsive
safe plover
Ill pass on this. I continue to stand with my argument tho
Its fine in US too
And yes, ill try that flag real quick
potent fossil
I mean, it's fine yes. I have no problem with it. But to use the warranty set by apple? And get it serviced by apple? You need the warranty intact and you cant invoke it while jailbroken.
Pretty sure that's global.
safe plover
Thats. Why. There. Is. A. Restore RootFS. Button
visual egret
well its 1 click for restoring rootfs
safe plover
exactly
potent fossil
that doesnt change my point...
he said jailbreaking does not void warranty
it does.
limpid comet
hi simple cutie
meager tusk
potent fossil
im trying to marry Judy in cyberpunk
viral hornet
Wow
visual egret
๐ง
limpid comet
I mean
visual egret
gotta use those new iphone chips to some good use
potent fossil
Camm plz
sand epoch
you need the -D before the -jar i think
limpid comet
Tbh panam>>>
sand epoch
probably not in the eu
visual egret
is the uk still in the eu
limber knotBOT
nope
potent fossil
jailbreaking voids warranty but when you reverse the software mods your warranty is back intact
that's all i was saying...
limber knotBOT
For at least 15 and 52 minutes hours
visual egret
well
limber knotBOT
I can't typ
visual egret
but if they cant find the jailbreak it was never there
limber knotBOT
*15 hours 52 minutes
visual egret
just remove the cydia icon when it isnt jailbroken smh
they arent gonna check anyway
marble cosmos
soryy but i am new in servers can help me
safe plover
it only has 4gb of ram :/
Running a server, geyser and all that stuff at once might be hard
visual egret
my raspberry pi has 4gb too and it runs fine
safe plover
oh
twin lagoon
"runs fine"
safe plover
hmmm
visual egret
fine for 3 players, so 1 player should be fine
marble cosmos
soryy but i am new in servers can help me
visual egret
meager tusk
lol is this mf running a minecraft server on an iphone?
visual egret
yeah lol
meager tusk
visual egret
not if you reset rootfs
limber knotBOT
gl doing that if the phone is unresponsive, but this shouldn't be a discussion either way
safe plover
limber knotBOT
It's so strange seeing 2021 being the currenty year
potent fossil
fuck 2020!!!!!!!! 
meager tusk
It's so strange seeing 2021 being the currenty year
right
1/1/2021 
2020 felt so short even though it sucked
meager tusk
idk for me it felt short
safe plover
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@meager tusk you're short
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not u
twin lagoon
idriz 
meager tusk
Michael 
limpid comet
ya i cant wait to say 2020 for the next 8 months
warm anchor
Cant wait to correct bluely 
limpid comet
cant wait for eternity to be wholesome and a cutie
warm anchor
twin lagoon
2021 will be a fucking banger
warm anchor
Wdym barty I thought no US state is actually enforcing it 
mossy vessel
2021 will be willld
warm anchor
We have yet to see if the current vaccine is effective or not for the covid 2.0 isnโt it?
mossy vessel
No, we just assume it is
warm anchor
No, we just assume it is <:kekw:674093681963302933>
I think thatโs purposely done coz we donโt need more news to convince people to not take it
But muh state rights /s
Each state has their own definition of phase 1 and 2 etc
Itโs gotta be fun leading up to summer
twin lagoon
git bash
peak ginkgo
I love git bash
also now that nny is gone i want to be pink
literally no reason to not make me pink
lol
its been a long night
olive marlin
Wtf? NNY is gone? Why?
warm anchor
What do I miss
peak ginkgo
@warm anchor #paper-help message
go there
I have wsl2 installed I just literally never use it @twin lagoon
olive marlin
Who's gonna redirect 1.8 people to 1.8 discord?
twin lagoon
warm anchor
Wow ok ...
twin lagoon
obviously he's banned for more than advertising
on the bright side
less offline mode support in paper-help now that he's gone
peak ginkgo
Some people are more lax about what "unsupported" things they'll support
Now that he's gone noones gonna do offline mode support
twin lagoon
did you really remove your old messages
why
fucks history
seems very unnecessary
i mean we have IRC here
mass removing your shit is very useless
lol
olive marlin
But is the command to get villager lobotomizer still here?
twin lagoon
.simpifier
tepid obsidian
hey guys! im not sure if this is the right place to ask, so please direct me to another channel if there is a more appropriate place but, if i am wanting to learn how to make plugins for spigot/paper, is there any good resources/material out there for someone who has some experience with java before?
mossy vessel
Rude.
twin lagoon
uh
should ask in #paper-dev next time
https://papermc.io/javadocs/paper/1.16/overview-summary.html java docs might help you with the API
useful intellij plugin
the rest idk
tepid obsidian
oo, thank you very much! i'll take a look
peak ginkgo
unironically that ^
olive marlin
I think Spigot or bukkit had a decent "getting started" tutorial.
peak ginkgo
yyyes
Yeah that's how that works
it's like doing a-Z but defining your own range
(a-Z is the entire alphabet, caps regardless)
void void
I guess they at least point you in the right direction as a noob?
To get a basic understanding of the api
quasi valley
yesn't
if you're a complete noob, you won't be able to tell garbage apart from the useful tips sprinkled inbetween
tepid obsidian
i am familiar with java
altho i have no past experience with working with plugins
warm anchor
/chc rm rf
worn ember
void void
altho i have no past experience with working with plugins
I guess the first google results are sometimes the best?
.g start spigot developement with java knowledge
limber knotBOT
warm anchor
Not always. Read all of them and figure it out yourself
tepid obsidian
thanks for all the help and directions to resource for getting started! i'll take a look at them
warm anchor
Google is a tool and it gives you the most popular answers not correct answers.
void void
Yeah
visual egret
looks like the answers to my questions dont exist then
void void
Hm is there already a list of where rgb is supported?
Why is dyno here twice?
I JUST WANT TO DOWNLOAD JDK, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS TO ME
wild escarp
use adoptopenjdk @void void
limber knotBOT
OpenJDK
void void
Oracle kinda weird for requiring a account?
ah. finally
And oracles java 11 and 8 download seems broken
thats a god damn scam
I was only able to get 15
vernal moth
they require an account because its non free
void void
But yeah only oracle provides linux java builds for the mindstorms ev3 ;)
vernal moth
you gotta pay for prod usage
void void
Huh
limber knotBOT
why do they do that?
void void
Because they are a company
vernal moth
they gotta make money somehow?
they sell you java se as part of a support contract
if you dont want/need that, you can get the open source version and build it yourself, oracle only provides 3 builds per major version iirc
limber knotBOT
Sounds like a waste of money to produce builds for a "toy"
vernal moth
you look at it wrong
its not a toy
its bringing kids into programming
and their first language will be java
thats worth a ton of money
warm anchor
Yes
vernal moth
void void
Why do most schools start coding with python or scratch?
void void
life's a scam too
wide chasm
Because Python or Scratch is easier to get started with than Java
void void
absolutely
vernal moth
maybe
void void
But scratch can be used by 5 yr olds
wide chasm
That's why they use it
void void
And python by 7 yr olds
wide chasm
It's simple
vernal moth
but java is not a bad first language anyways
and mindstorms is a good application
my uni made java as intro and c++ later
wide chasm
C++ was intro for mine
void void
and mindstorms is a good application
Absolutely. Its attractive if you actions have a impact
uhm why is it bigger on ssd, and smaller on hdd...
But i mean if your 12-15 and your schools tells you to use scratch its just dumb
limber knotBOT
At least they like it
void void
Oh no eclipse
limber knotBOT
Eclipse used to rule the world ages ago
vernal moth
I converted my whole java intro course to IJ ๐
wide chasm
Eww "teaching" an IDE
void void
Eclipse used to rule the world ages ago
Its layoit didn't change ever
vernal moth
stef, thats a requirement kinda. gotta get them something so they can start doing stuff
void void
You can basicly compare it to a version from 20 years ago
vernal moth
requireing one ide is whats bad
wide chasm
Don't teach them, just give them some general advice on what you recommend to use
limber knotBOT
View it from the bright side, a 10 year old guide is still going to help you
vernal moth
you gotta hold their hand on everything tho stef
wide chasm
Not really
vernal moth
students in those courses often have no background at all
zealous wedge
have you met a student recently?
limber knotBOT
I got a book about java and eclipse from the year 2005 and it still works somewhat
zealous wedge
half of them can barely read
wide chasm
If it's an introduction course, you won't be writing that much code anyway, give them a text editor and they can figure it out
vernal moth
50% of my java class got stuck in vim for half an hour while trying to commit
wide chasm
Provide support, sure, but don't teach it
zealous wedge
and faculty's job is to give students the best chance for success
yeah fuck that attitude barty
wide chasm
If it's not an introduction course, you'd assume they already have experience in writing programming and don't need a guide on how their IDE/text editor works
void void
View it from the bright side, a 10 year old guide is still going to help you
Haha, but imagine using a ide that doesn't tell you most of your issues
And the code gets unreadable
zealous wedge
an intro course should be an actually introductory course
limber knotBOT
I am at fault for most of the issues
zealous wedge
and people with experience can test out of it
void void
I wish there were courses giving you information about the actual java developement.
And conventiona
vernal moth
you gotta hold their hand as much as you need, just dont block them if they wanna roll their own IDE
then the tutor maybe cant help, but thats on them
limber knotBOT
Things like forgetting to refractor a good ol' System.nanoTime() to System.currentTimeMillis() while the rest of the system was already switched from nano to millis. No IDE is going to catch these things
void void
I got a friend putting all his stuff in the main class. Its now 1110 lines long
wide chasm
Providing support for just one text editor/IDE is great, just don't teach it
There's no reason to go over "this is how you open a file"
vernal moth
how do the students learn that then?
zealous wedge
you have to start somewhere
wide chasm
Give them a text editor, they've worked with computers before
vernal moth
no
zealous wedge
and when you're trying to learn a billion things at once, a bit of handholding is good
vernal moth
you gotta teach them an IDE
wide chasm
No, not at all
limber knotBOT
You need, IDEs are complicated
void void
Hands on experience is important in my opinion.
wide chasm
Give them a text editor, and you will be able to create a file in literally the same way as creating a file/document in any other piece of software
vernal moth
we used notepad the first week, then moved on to eclipse
limber knotBOT
I got stuck for a quarter of an hour trying to compile a maven project in IJ, for people that cannot google this will probably take them an hour
zealous wedge
especially if you want someone to be able to learn building a project, test coverage, and committing to svn/git for a course's automated build/test/grading system, it's so much easier to use one ide's tools for that
wide chasm
That's way more advanced than what you'd do in an introductory course though
zealous wedge
since you have basically 2-3hrs of face to face time to get everyone started
wide chasm
Yes and in the introductory course, you teach them how to program, so you can build of that for later courses
limber knotBOT
I think teaching the tools is more important
wide chasm
There's no need to teach how to create a file, though
Matlab is a more complex piece of software and iirc you kinda need it to work with matlab (may be wrong about that), so going over how that works makes more sense, but an introductory programming course in e.g. C++/Java can be done in a simple text editor, which you don't need any specific teaching for.
vernal moth
its about compiling and running the file stef
wide chasm
If you do get stuck for whatever reason, you can ask support, which I agree should be there.
vernal moth
thats the interesting thing
limber knotBOT
Honestly the most interesting bit is actually to install the compiler
vernal moth
in c++ my prof actually taught using vim, but showed us an simple IDE we could use and how it works, but left us the choice to do whatever
wide chasm
IDEs can be fine, but can also be overwhelming, so I think a text editor for an introductory course is good enough.
Of course, if people want to use something else, don't block them from doing so
vernal moth
you underestimate the amount of code ppl write in those courses
wide chasm
Very little?
vernal moth
I wrote thousands of lines of code in my java intro course
wide chasm
For each assignment in my introductory course I didn't write more than 200 lines top
fathom zealot
@void void uses 1.12.2
zealous wedge
ok?
void void
Hm?
void void
Yeah its some friend who got banned for saying 1.12.2
twin lagoon
lmao
void void
He is angry
zealous wedge
wat
warm anchor
No idea
zealous wedge
just walk away slowly
void void
i guess it's better that way yeah
void void
why is it dead
zealous wedge
good morning City :3
warm anchor
Wut
zealous wedge
I should go back to sleep tho
warm anchor
I thought that was a copypasta barty
heady spear
Sleep is nice
vernal moth
new years resolution?
heady spear
๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ฉ
void void
nah mv doesn't do that yeah
cedar spade
EssX Spawn?
void void
jfc just give me op
heady spear
Imagine using enough shitty plugins where you donโt even know which one to configure lel
void void
i'll figure it out
cedar spade
which begs the question why would you be using that
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isnt bartyrealms closing doe
slim nymph
Imagine using other plug ins for that instead of controlling it all yourself
I meant join message lol
woven otter
imagine being kicked from the earth
peak ginkgo
who's got /op on earth