#general | PaperMC | Page 1215

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 1:54 PM

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this is exactly why i got a good pc

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msfs, minecraft, chrome browser & tons of other apps

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 1:56 PM

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wdym

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why did u get it

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 1:56 PM

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cuz it is EPIC

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upgrading to whatever CPU ryzen brings out next though

meager tusk Dec 30, 2020, 1:57 PM

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You get a new pc every month.

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TE_PeepoAngry

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Rich boy.

olive marlin Dec 30, 2020, 1:58 PM

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This is why I got ass laptop. So that I won't be able to game and can finish studies xD

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But waiting for next launch and gonna be getting a nice PC.

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 1:59 PM

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i got my epic game chair delivered today, and boy is it comfy

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 1:59 PM

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one day i'll get 5950x servers

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 1:59 PM

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you didn't get a gaming chair did you

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 2:00 PM

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there's only 1 good gaming chair

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kek

ashen cliff Dec 30, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Still no 5xxx dedicated boxes in the EU.
At least for a fair price.

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

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i just want them in ashburn / east coast US

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

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i cant figure out how to use maven shade

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

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just asking tho

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how about outside the x86-64s?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 2:02 PM

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the only good arm processor is the m1 chip

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and that's apple so

ashen cliff Dec 30, 2020, 2:03 PM

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There are some other ARM chips that are fast... just not for single threaded stuff.

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

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how about like powerpc?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

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what question is that

ashen cliff Dec 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

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SPARC is still a scam. PowerPC is dead. kekwhyper

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 2:04 PM

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"how about like 8086"

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 2:38 PM

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@spiral robin graph is disgusting but otherwise looks nice bby https://owo.whats-th.is/4ZfNWR6.png

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:42 PM

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how do i include mysql by shading it into a jar file? i cant figure out how to do it

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 2:42 PM

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msyql drive is included in bukkit

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:42 PM

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im making a velocity plugin

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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maven?

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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yup

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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.g shade libs maven

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 2:43 PM

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(DiscordBot) http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-shade-plugin/

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 2:44 PM

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google around a bit, it'll give you what you need

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:44 PM

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ive been googleing for like 2 hours now

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:(

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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just use gradle smh

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 2:47 PM

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just use jar mods

tropic flame Dec 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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imagine gradle lol

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 2:48 PM

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big oof

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visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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my brain is too small i still cant figure it out halp

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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shadow, our lord and savior.

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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its legit been 2 hours

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 2:50 PM

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figure what out

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@visual egret

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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how to shade in mysql drivers

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into a java file using maven

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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ok bai

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 2:51 PM

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just go find a plugin and steal their pom

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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install shade plugin...done

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:52 PM

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wtf

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maven-shade literally comes with an example

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Just use it.

void void Dec 30, 2020, 2:53 PM

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nmf imagine reading

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shaking my smh

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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yeah idk what the issue is, you literally just add the plugin and its done

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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visual egret into a java file using maven

copy another plugin doing the same thing

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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further config for relocs/exclusions...but...

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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oh look

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potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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wtf

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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why tf..

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 2:54 PM

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just fucking do it yourself

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Sowwi mirko, I imply a low level of self-education.

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runs

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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seriously why does that library exist

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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wait is it even possible to handle 100 players with 20tps on 1.16.4?

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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what exactly is the point

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 2:55 PM

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on smp

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Yes.

void void Dec 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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visual egret oh look

WELP

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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yeah it is stupid lol

void void Dec 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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kekwhyper

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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made by stupid for stupid

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 2:57 PM

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minor badge just fucking do it yourself

okay 😔

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 2:57 PM

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digital peak wait is it even possible to handle 100 players with 20tps on 1.16.4?

its hard

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Tuinity + limit e v e r y t h i n g

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Limit? Nah.

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Muh players want fun 😠

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 2:58 PM

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for real though

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also hi nmf peepoheart

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Camm panda_ice

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:03 PM

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make sure to host on a raspberry pi to have more fun

void void Dec 30, 2020, 3:09 PM

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not everybody wants to waste their time, oskar

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0/10, not a good role model

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:10 PM

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proceeds to run an army of pis in a k8s cluster all for 1 server to hold 100 players

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:11 PM

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When you haven't touched a pi ever to do stupid stuff

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:12 PM

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untold copper its hard

then how?

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my server will hardly hit 50 but aiming for 100 so it never lags

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:12 PM

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heavy optimizations

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SMP might give you trouble since that is basically the laggiest gamemode

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:12 PM

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ik

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:12 PM

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but with proper restrictions on what players can do it can be done

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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so basically xeon e2288g is the best bet

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right?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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2288g do be epic

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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amd is terrible for smp

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(sad fax)

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E5-2667v4 for smp = 10players =10tps

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:13 PM

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it's not a fact

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AMD is fine

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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somehow i love xeons

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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just harder to get at some hosts

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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alot..

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cause they are so stable

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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you... what

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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a CPU isn't more stable than the other

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that makes no sense

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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thats a strange reason to love a processor

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:14 PM

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as i know they are?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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there is no difference in "stability" my guy

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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hmm

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but ecc..

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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ryzen supports ecc

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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🤓

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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idk my server is dying with 7 players for some reason

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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ryzen hmm

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:15 PM

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dont measure a piece of hardware's value based on who made them

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i never used one

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thats why

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yeah fanboying over a commodity is just

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what

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yet you say they're terrible for smp

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but have never used them

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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???

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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kekw

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:16 PM

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latest ryzen processors would definitely beat the current xeons / intel desktop processors

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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but most of the people said that ryzen is not good

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so ..

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:/

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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i've never seen anyone say that

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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michael knows more than every single person you could ever ask

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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yes i am big br41n

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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this conversation reads like one of those facebook posts written by someone who just learned how to hello world in python designed to confuse normies

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:17 PM

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just im lacking in information

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i think

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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ITT: someone, who has talked to a lot of noobs who call themselves pro, talking to actual pro

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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you most certainly are

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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thanos

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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pretty sure you're lacking more than information

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KEKWHYPER

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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😦

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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walk

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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im so stupid i cant figure out how to do this

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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its a regular stupidpalooza in here

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:18 PM

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well the first step is acceptance

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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then i should learn

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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oskar wtf add the plugin to the pom and build

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holy shit

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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the plugin doesent work or i found the wrong one

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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what is your flippin pom

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paste it

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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thonkeng

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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ive removed all the stuff by now

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:19 PM

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remove urself next

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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  <build>
    <plugins>
      <plugin>
        <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
        <artifactId>maven-shade-plugin</artifactId>
        <version>3.2.4</version>
        <executions>
          <execution>
            <phase>package</phase>
            <goals>
              <goal>shade</goal>
            </goals>
          </execution>
        </executions>
      </plugin>
    </plugins>
  </build>

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add to pom, mvn clean install

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wow it shaded dependencies!

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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xml pepeAgony

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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lets see if it works :)

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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simple... did you... did you just copy the example from the apache wiki ShakingEyes

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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no, you see if it works, don't drag me into this

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:20 PM

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for the 15th time

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:21 PM

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ximple

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🥺

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:21 PM

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no he hand wrote xml

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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mfw i just copied that from the shade plugin docs

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ree

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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still same error

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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what error

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0f92709a11334e11b7bc6644321c921e for pom

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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you didnt add the shade plugin...

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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i did

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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its not in that paste.

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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lol

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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oskar stealing my project's name

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why is oskar still allowed to chat here

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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no u

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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why would you use var now that you can use let (in javascript)

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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you don't

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/262e58faedd9491782c77e2fe76866ce

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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always use let/const

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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okay that one ^^

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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iirc var defines global scope

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what's the error oskar

untold copper Dec 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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global wha?

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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https://i.ksc.sh/api/ʕ•̫͡•ʔôヮô

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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you said provided scope on the mysql-connector-java dependency @visual egret

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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this can't be valid

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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kekw

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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is version LATEST a thing in maven

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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provided = dont shade, because IM PROVIDED ALREADY

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set it to compile

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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don't use the mysql connector btw

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mariadb >

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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mariadb clappywappy

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proxi clappywappy

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simple clappywappy

quasi valley Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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~~maridb?~~

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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kenny pepelove

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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maridb

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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oh LATEST is a thing

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cool

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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PES_LoveKing michale

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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quasi valley ~~*maridb?*~~

goodmorning

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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mariadb ftw

quasi valley Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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goodafternoon

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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and yes LATEST is a thing but can result in nasty business if there is a major api breaking ver bump and your project suddenly goes bork, better to set explicit version

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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camm go to bed

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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the problem is his scope

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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does mariadb make their own connector?

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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twin lagoon camm go to bed

what its only like 12am or something

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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no it's not

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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they have their own driver yes

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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what's the benefit of using their's?

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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.g mariadb java driver maven

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.mariadb.jdbc/mariadb-java-client

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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02:25
Thursday, 31 December 2020 (GMT+11)
Time in Canberra ACT, Australia
03:25 Kingston (GMT+12)
01:55 Adelaide (GMT+10:30)

cunning raft Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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since its just a fork of mysql what's the need?

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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potent fossil and yes LATEST is a thing but can result in nasty business if there is a major a...

imagine npm having something over your build tool

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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wat

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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package-lock.json

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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imagine not using yarn

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:26 PM

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ah yes

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and idk jroy

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 3:27 PM

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yes the point is npm is shit and it still does that better than maven

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:27 PM

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well thanks simple

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:27 PM

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well, if you dont set explicit versions thats your own fault not really a maven downside

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:27 PM

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now i gotta fix this

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potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:27 PM

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they say, yea, use latest if you want but dont cry if ur shit breaks lol

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:28 PM

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simple tech tips

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PogChamp

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:28 PM

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but anyway gradle > maven

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:28 PM

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im slowly understanding gradle more and more

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:28 PM

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The main reason why I switched to gradle was to get a rid of xml lul

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it's bae

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:29 PM

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its nice condensing 5 line dependencies to 1 line

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:29 PM

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ur bae

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:30 PM

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ShakingEyes 🥵

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 3:31 PM

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well it's more like 18 lines to 1

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gradle also automatically gets javadocs & sources (by default)

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 3:32 PM

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<3

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Indeed.

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:52 PM

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so ryzen will be a good idea?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 3:53 PM

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yes

viral hornet Dec 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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tacoplead

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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whats a gradle?

digital peak Dec 30, 2020, 3:57 PM

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twin lagoon yes

niche

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 3:57 PM

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i think its for grades

topaz mortar Dec 30, 2020, 3:58 PM

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DED Gradle is a build+dependency tool like Maven.

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 3:58 PM

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ded is just being dum ignore him

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 4:01 PM

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michale can i have $69

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thats my actual current cc balance

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and im poor

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plz send thx

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 4:04 PM

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currency can be exchanged for services

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 4:04 PM

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did i say i wouldnt service him

merry talon Dec 30, 2020, 4:04 PM

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yesss

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 4:05 PM

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||i can unhinge my jaw||

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ok im going to bed bye

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@twin lagoon lov u 🥺

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 4:19 PM

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topaz mortar DED Gradle is a build+dependency tool like Maven.

cmon bruh, it was a joke sad

warm anchor Dec 30, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Dnd reach comedy level no one knew was possible. We can no longer tell them apart from his normal speech krappa

cedar spade Dec 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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cunning raft since its just a fork of mysql what's the need?

iirc MariaDB's jdbc driver is a fork of an older driver that was separate to MySQL's driver

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ig if you're targeting MariaDB then it's less likely to explode?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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does anyone know what jvm flag DebugInlinedCalls does, i cant find anything googling... and sounds like something we might want off for performance lol

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@peak dirge ?

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did you ever find anything on MaxRecursiveInlineLevel ?

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my jvm is defaulting to 1 for that O.o

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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/32503669/why-does-the-jvm-have-a-maximum-inline-depth

Stack Overflow

Why does the JVM have a maximum inline depth?

java has an argument -XX:MaxInlineLevel (with a default value of 9) which controls the maximum number of nested calls to inline. Why is there any such limit? Why aren't the usual heuristics based on

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ah, its for inlining a method into itself lol

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looking to add the max inline level to jvm flags here soon

peak dirge Dec 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Note that the level was bumped to 15 recently (JDK 14)

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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yeah i know ima go to that in guide, just curious if anything else we should tweak

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it looks like hot methods arent impacted by MaxInlineSize, they have a separate FreqInlineSize which is 325 on my system

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so im curious what that value is on other peoples systems

peak dirge Dec 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Nothing yet. Will do some experiments later perhaps.

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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arent you on freebsd or some non linux system?

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can you check what your freq is

peak dirge Dec 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I use only Linux these days

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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oh lol

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i just remember you suffering from timings 😛

peak dirge Dec 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Haiku has the best timingscost lol

vestal jasper Dec 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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@potent fossil

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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java -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+PrintFlagsFinal -version 2>&1 | grep FreqInline can someone run this and see if they get different than 325

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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vestal jasper <@698668938661331045>

Wat

vestal jasper Dec 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Hi

potent fossil Dec 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I'm sleep

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Hi bye

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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getting 325

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adoptopenjdk 11, arch linux

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325 on a debian server w/ 11 aswell

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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325 on Java 15+36, AdoptOpenJDK, Void Linux

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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325 on Windows with Java 12 and Java 15 OpenJDK

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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325 on 11.0.9.1+1 AdoptOpenJDK, Debian container

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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tried all my installs, all 325

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which includes corretto and azul

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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325 on 15.0.1+9 (AdoptOpenJDK)

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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k, it said its platform dependent, sounds pretty not lol

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so if we do bump that up, it should be a safe value for everyone

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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maybe arm or so

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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fuck arm

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if your running on a pi your not getting good perf anyways

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yeah sure

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but thats what they could mean with platform

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might be worth to have some mac guy confirm too

unreal quarry Dec 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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runs away

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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lol billy

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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@coarse lily has an m1 chip mac iirc

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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ima try 450

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i doubt java has any m1 mac specific changes already

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though i guess that is arm right

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:16 PM

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it is

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:16 PM

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really hate this everyone using their own chips now, ms is now doing it too

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gonna make swapping to linux a bit trickier i bet

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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it's 325 on my pi too

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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hey does anyone have a long running server with many players who has like 1GB of overhead currently being used (ie, 1GB on top of your Xmx), and able to get a memory view on code cache size?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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uh

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define long running

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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more than a day

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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how do you get that memory view?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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nah i reboot my servers every day

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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it doesn't show up in heap dump iirc?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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with yourkit i get it, but any hprof dump prob has it too

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📎 unknown.png

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i get this just with a cpu profile

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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but without yourkit?

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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well i would have something like that if my servers werent down

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i don't have a license / trial available

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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smh

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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im not sure, does anyone have VisualVM setup?

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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does visualvm work with java 15 lol

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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it should?

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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last time it did naht

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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its just shipped seprately now iirc

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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yeah i don't think i have any server running longer than 24 h

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went through any

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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yeah i have nightly reboots out of habit lol, got tired of playing rodeo on "can we survive this mc version without it"

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I have a server at 13 days but hardly any players lol

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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whats its memory like proxi?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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if ~12h is ok i can get you decent numbers

void void Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Buy your women: https://amazondating.co
🤣

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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i have some lobby servers with 24h + uptime

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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well we dont understand what the source is, so i dunno you may see it at 12h if your counts higher 😛

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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let'ss see

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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if your RSS is 1GB or more than Xmx, thats a good sign of the issue

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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2.8GB out of 2GB on a lobby server

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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about 500mb overhead

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for 2gb mem

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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yeah i think 500 is normal though

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thats all the jvm stuff i screenshotted

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need to find wtf pushes it way beyond that

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some hosts said theyve seen 1GB not enough on larger servers

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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almost all of my servers seem to have more than 1gb overhead

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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and because I use HugePages, its hard for me to even see what my own state is

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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with less than 24 hour uptime

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7.4GB out of 6GB

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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then you are what im looking for 😛

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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11.7GB out of 10GB

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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can you do a timings real quick

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it has some native data in the report that isnt shown in ui yet

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I've got another server at 11.5GB outta 10240M

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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minor badge I've got another server at 11.5GB outta 10240M

if that's paper you might wanna do a timings before me

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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it's a tuinity fork

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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mhm

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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old as fuck one at that lol

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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tuinity is ok for this

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itll still have my timings data

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i doubt leafs doing some native memory shit to add 500MB

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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timings reset

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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how long you want, aikar?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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i dont need the actual timings data, just run a report

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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ic

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120 sec

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Please wait at least 3 minutes before generating a Timings report. Unlike Timings v1, v2 benefits from longer timings and is not as useful with short timings. (161 seconds) LULW

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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lol why did you reset

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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i don't have timings on any

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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i just dont run timings

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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ah

unborn jay Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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speaking about "timings" Does anybody know how to use/read spark?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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there's a guide

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https://github.com/lucko/spark/wiki/Finding-the-cause-of-lag-spikes

GitHub

lucko/spark

spark is a performance profiling plugin based on sk89q's WarmRoast profiler. - lucko/spark

unborn jay Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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marvelous. I want to know which plugins use how much memory

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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you don't use spark for that

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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spark isnt for finding memory, its for cpu use

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memory isnt tracked by plugins

unborn jay Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I was told it worked for memory.

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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that's....

📎 unknown.png

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interesting

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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only way to do that is to run a heap dump and track down GC roots that hold a lot of memory that relate to a plugin

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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a chunk is just slowly growing and growing on one of my servers

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0 players on

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lol

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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had that too

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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kek

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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the hell did it print so many times for

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all same chunk

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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it was a llama spitting into an adjacent chunk

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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it's spamming it every 2 seconds now

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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we had 8mb of llama spit then

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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you got something saving it every 2s?

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i thought we merged some projectile limiting PR

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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i mean it shouldn't

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.g dinnerbone coordinate finder

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/coordinates/

next frost Dec 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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it was before the pr for me

unborn jay Dec 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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What is the difference between timings and spark? one tells like the effect on mspt and the other cpu usage?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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tf

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this shouldn't even exist in first place

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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huh, proxi's results sure is interesting

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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@twin lagoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrp39d9ZFtE GWcmeisterPeepoLove

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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so you said its 1GB proxi

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"memory": {
"heap": "init = 10737418240(10485760K) used = 4944635904(4828746K) committed = 10737418240(10485760K) max = 10737418240(10485760K)",
"nonheap": "init = 7667712(7488K) used = 442424376(432055K) committed = 468549632(457568K) max = -1(-1K)",
"finalizing": 0
},

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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from looks of ps aux results vs heap, yes

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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jvm only is tracking 450~MB

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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11.2G memory, -xmx/xms set to 10G, getting you something in a few

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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i hardly have any tools on the server to do anything else lol

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that's fun

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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so wtf did the other memory go?

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somethings allocating in a way the jvm isnt tracking

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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https://timings.aikar.co/?id=a9ae26699093476ebf4117a4e40fbcc2

Aikar's Timings Viewer

Aikar's Timings Viewer - View Timings v2 reports from Paper and Sponge

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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no idea lol

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leak or something perhaps?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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this has to be some fucking low level C level leak

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the only native shit we load is netty isnt it

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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violet peepoHappy

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Tuinity does some Velocity stuff too

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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velocity native compression shit

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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my suspicion has been the netty update as the source of it

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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update netty again PogU

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when was netty update?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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recent

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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i have older mc versions i can look at

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Someone somewhere said that netty's released a few leak fixing updates since

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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lol maybe we can downgrade netty back to 1.12 one

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since 50?

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we are on 50 iirc

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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older servers seem to do it too though

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1.15.2, 12GB, 14.6GB used

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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idk, it was a few weeks ago at this point

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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yeah 1.15 had it too

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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think it was kickash or some other contrib

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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it was 1.12 we never saw this shit

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i dont recall it in 1.13 either though, it feels like 1.14+ onwards it became a thing

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:33 PM

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do you want a 1.15.2 timings?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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well prob no need now, proxis confirmed it for me

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i wanted to know was the extra memory being tracked by the nvm

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jvm* and the answer is no

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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oki

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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so this has to be an malloc on the c level leak, where jvm is gonna have no way to see it

undone jungle Dec 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Hey. Question. How can you stop the book server crash thing? Where they send a bunch of books and duplicate chests causing server to crash?

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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update paper

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it's been fixed for a while now

woven otter Dec 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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|| inb4 1.8.8 ||

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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https://github.com/netty/netty/commit/eef67e2f0e65cb31dc07885aee0b760db8b13ef6 curious if this relates

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linked bug ticket doesnt seem it does though

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it did seem to relate to native memory, but it was for http shit

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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update to latest netty PogPause

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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theory question: if i want to create a session id, can i just generate a uuid and yeet it into a database or do i need to do something more complex

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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depends what you want to do with it, i guess?

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UUID= unqiue universal identifier

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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yeah that commit is only http, so not related

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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so if you want a unique id, sure

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:44 PM

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not seeing anycommit to fix a generic memory leak

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this would be epoll related

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:44 PM

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i always check if the UUID already exists even though it's unlikely

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:44 PM

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im trying to make a login system for my website, i just want to know if its easy to do that

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since i was thinking of using MSA but im making a few more things that need auth and some people dont have ms

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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i mean pretty much any language will have some uuid implementation

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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michael you should downgrade your netty to 1.12 version and see if it solves it

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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yeah im just asking if its a good idea to use those as a session id

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for web and stuff

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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does anyone know what netty was used in 1.12

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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if it suits your needs, it's fine

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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"some people dont have ms", lol, most dont yet

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but soon everyone will 🙂

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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isnt it on wiki.vg?

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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don't ask "is x good", make a value judgement based in your use case

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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the netty version

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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yeah but only brand new accounts are ms based

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oh

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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ive seen longer session tokens used but uuids probably will work fine

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Super quick (and OT) question: can someone suggest me a Paper fork made for queue servers? Like something that runs on very low ram and supports loads of players.

Heard that things like that exist but can't find any name

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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diff forks arent gonna help for memory

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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paper but with barely anything loaded?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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behavior controls memory for most part

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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if players are locked into one spot then you'll be fine

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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custom server written in another language probably

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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if they are all in a contained lobby server, i doubt forks gonna help much there

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Ugh

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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i saw something written in go but there's no point imo

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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paper works fine on 1-2gb ram when everyone is in the same chunk etc

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tested it with like 150 players no issues

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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so tunity but 1 chunk?

meager tusk Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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PES3_Wave

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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michael moment

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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There will be just some chunks loaded, not just one but still a few

waxen panther Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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cutePepeWave

woven otter Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/3NoVyZ5.png
is this it?

Imgur

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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i dunno why everyones so insistent on lobby servers lol

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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if 2gb ram is fine then you're good to use paper as lobby server

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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slim nymph i dunno why everyones so insistent on lobby servers lol

he said queue server

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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slim nymph i dunno why everyones so insistent on lobby servers lol

need it to set up a queue

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not lobby, hate lobbies lol

woven otter Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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git-Paper-1424

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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hate queues too but ya know, 30/30 cap constantly

waxen panther Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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git-Paper-34214

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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yes @woven otter

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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do you guys have a way to connect to multiple servers without lobby servers?

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like something enjoyable

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instead of the normal lobby/hub system

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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You can use the main server and bungee commands

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No need for a lobby

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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a "queue server" is still ultimately a lobby server

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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yeah but thats kinda meh

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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slim nymph a "queue server" is still ultimately a lobby server

ultimately, yeah

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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maybe a lobby smp

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or something

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Could try paper/tunity anyways

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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tunity for high playercounts right

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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But heard of something specifically written for lobbies

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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you could just run the waiting area per game mode, so each instance has its own waiting area

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then your load is distributed

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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My server is single gamemode

woven otter Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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well there you go 😛

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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ok, so just send them to waiting area still, pref in a diff world

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as mc does have some threading on a world basis

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Like you mean on the actual game server?

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the main one?

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but different world

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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how many servers do you have?

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Just one! lol

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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so you wanted to have a 2nd just to hold people?

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Yup, and send them to the main one

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Already have bungee for antibot/anti lame stuff

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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how you gonna synchronize when its ready to send someone

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Custom queue plugin

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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non java servers could make that hard

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k so you do want java still

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Yeah still need a java server

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Not custom code software

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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just run another paper server, not gonna matter much if its just a holding area

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Perfect, will try 😛

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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yeah just put some pack.png there and have fun

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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set a keep spawn loaded size larger than your holding area

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to ensure people arent loading any chunks

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and keep view distance lower than the outer most edge of that area + the view distance

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set the mob spawns in bukkit.yml to 0

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or actually turn off by game rule

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Interesting, so all chunks i want them to use/see should be always loaded for better performance

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:54 PM

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yes, chunk loading itself is what hurts perf a lot

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simpler to keep lean chunks loaded

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set gamerule random tick to something super high

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Or zero?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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oh wait random is inverse yeah

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so 0

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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lol

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weird

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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i was thinking in code, "1 in every 50000 chance" lol

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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ahhahah
So view distance should include the area that is permaloaded? and not beyond it

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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yes

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say your area is 4x4, view distance is 4, set keepspawnloaded to like 9

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so that way everything stays loaded

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even if someone is on the edge of the 4x4

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keep spawn loaded range is in paper.yml

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Heard of non ticking view distance, think it's on tunity fork, could try to use that to let them see some landscape

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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thats paper too

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Has it been merged in paper?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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keep spawn will need to factor in non tick, you can set ticking to 3 and non tick to 6, then in a 4x4 holding area, keep spawn would be 10+ then

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just take your holding size + non tick size

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yes ages ago

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ugh is multimc updated yet for msa

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im sick of the default launcher

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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That new policy message regarding mods and older versions

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Mojang, please

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Kill yours-
Just kill microsoft lol

cursive junco Dec 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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slim nymph keep spawn will need to factor in non tick, you can set ticking to 3 and non tic...

so keep spawn keeps non-tick chunks loaded as non-tick

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that's smart

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or i got it wrong?

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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looks like mini's got you covered if you know C++, Aikar https://github.com/MultiMC/MultiMC5/issues/3475

GitHub

Add Support For Microsoft Accounts · Issue #3475 · MultiMC/MultiMC5

Hey, just letting you know that I just published a draft documentation of the new authentication scheme for the new microsoft accounts: https://wiki.vg/Microsoft_Authentication_Scheme All new accou...

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:05 PM

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slim nymph ugh is multimc updated yet for msa

do you even have msa mc accounts

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:05 PM

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no, but didnt they break the old auth endpoints

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:05 PM

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no?

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still works fine

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:06 PM

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oh

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:06 PM

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it'll work fine until you migrate

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if you migrate before MMC is updated, SOL

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:07 PM

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ugh now multimc is crashing constantly for me

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:08 PM

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WeirdChamp

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use the dev version

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i launched it with bin/MultiMC and thats working

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instead of the MultiMC in root

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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oh yes

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that's an issue™️

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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use to work :/

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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fucked distribution or something, i had that too

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:12 PM

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why do they store data in the app folder :/

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i had renamed my folder to unzip new ver and lost all settings, but cant get old folder to work now

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w/e i dont actually have SP worlds i care about and not gonna run any older mc ver either

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ah hell my servers list

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:15 PM

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slim nymph why do they store data in the app folder :/

you can luckily change most of it in settings

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that way only your credentials etc are stored in the app folder

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Yo

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:16 PM

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wtf, running it like this:
bash -c 'cd ~/apps/MultiMC ; /home/aikar/apps/MultiMC/bin/MultiMC'

it's now put my instances folder and such under bin

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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yep

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that's how it works now

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live with it

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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i dont understand why this is so complicated

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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MMC just made you its bitch .

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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i moved my instances folder, copied folder from old folder, and it doesnt see it

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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kek

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:23 PM

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oh the "instances" path needs an explicit /instances still

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ok finally have mc launched lol

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was tired of not only having to restart mc due to invalid session, but the launcher too, and the launcher constantly telling me theres an update

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hate having to manually download debs constantly, this isnt windows

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I'm pretty sure there's an easy way to automate this

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:25 PM

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well it is native now, but they are pushing launcher changes too much

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but yeah least auto dl the deb for me and invoke dpkg

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Probably just an rm, downloading the binaries, and that would be it

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Windows gang

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Linux (other distributions) gang

crisp warren Dec 30, 2020, 6:30 PM

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A bot talking interesting stuff

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:30 PM

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imagine a world where that isnt a bot

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thats our world 😉

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 6:30 PM

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DiscordBot getting philosophical today

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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these questions seem a bit much

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crisp warren Dec 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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This seeks to be a webhook on some irc chat I guess

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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potent fossil <@!271510274475819008> graph is disgusting but otherwise looks nice bby https://...

peepoxYes

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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correct @crisp warren 😛

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you are DiscordBot to the irc side

crisp warren Dec 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Nice

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@slim nymph thanks for mentioning that show 'his dark materials', me and GF been binging it, almost done with S1

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:34 PM

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nice, i finished s2, that show delivers

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I want to live in a semi magical world with talking animals now

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It really gives me heavy "made in abyss" vibes if you've seen that

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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lol

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wait till you see s2, shit gets deep

crisp warren Dec 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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With talking animals, eh maybe then more people would care for nature

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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finale was pretty shocking

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 6:36 PM

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this show is low key making me want to rewatch made in abyss (probably the movie version if its out)

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Looks like a great show, but HBO 🥴

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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HBO has upped its ante on content with max

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ui is still shitty, but least better than what it was, but contents growing

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got a few shows im watching on it now

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and the 2021 movie plans is def a major boost in value

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it is an interesting angle for them, anyone who doesnt go to the theatres monthly, but keeps hbo active, prob makes them more money

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specially families who never go to theatres anymore for adult movies

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i gotta cancel my hbo though cause i apparently get it free with ATT ISP

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:39 PM

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have you watched chernobyl already ALARM

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Money heist PU_PeepoGoose

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 6:41 PM

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twin lagoon have you watched chernobyl already <a:ALARM:444112626180423681>

ofc

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lul

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:42 PM

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i didn't ask YOU nmf

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😔

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 6:42 PM

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😂

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 6:42 PM

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pepelove

signal dome Dec 30, 2020, 6:44 PM

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is anyone here particularly familiar with the minecraft protocol because im really confused and wiki.vg is giving me mixed information

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 6:44 PM

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.dontask

limber knotBOT Dec 30, 2020, 6:44 PM

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https://www.dontasktoask.com/

Don't ask to ask, just ask

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Wish I had more time to watch good series 🥴

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 6:45 PM

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make time

woven otter Dec 30, 2020, 7:03 PM

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if you ask to ask just don't ask at all 🙂

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:04 PM

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mossy vessel Looks like a great show, but HBO 🥴

I'm watching it on Amazon, oh wait I think I have the HBO sub on amazon...

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:05 PM

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yeah its an hbo show lol

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i just switched my hbo over to att, no more hbo bill

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and thankfully i was able to link existing account, so dont have to reset xbox/tv's

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:06 PM

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att?

mossy vessel Dec 30, 2020, 7:06 PM

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HBO isn't a thing over here sooo shrug_animated

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:06 PM

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AT&T

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I get HBO as part of my ISP plan

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Oh, you have at&t as an isp?

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:06 PM

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yeah

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gigabit, they beat google here

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my city was one of googles first targets for fiber, yet my neighborhood apparently wasnt in their line, and ATT beat them to Garner by like 1-2 years anyways

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I don't remember subbing to HBO but I do have it on amazon

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worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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yikes

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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prob fell for the free trial thing 😛

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my family constantly hits that shit on my amazon account, constantly have to cancel them

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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yea amazon prime is shit

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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shit in a good way

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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no

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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silly canucks

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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i get all my series from the pirate merchants

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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amazon is the life blood for the US 😛

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:08 PM

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you get 3 movies/shows for free and it feels like everything else needs a separate subscription

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(obviously more than 3, but you get the idea)

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I just pay for prime and i buy enough stuff from amazon that it is nice

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I have tons of content in the US

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Amazon Prime is worth it for the shipping alone

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I've been watching Amazon Video a lot lately

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Prime video is just a nice addon

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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amazon prime and netflix are the only real options over here

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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yeah I've watched a lot of stuff on prime viideo, but that's not what I buy it for

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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still havent bought anything on amazon KEKW

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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watching Jack Ryan atm

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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i just pay for it because i can't be bothered to cancel prime

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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and, basically, fuck netflix

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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yeah same demon

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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i order on amazon every now and then

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I spend many thousands per year on amazon i bet

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:09 PM

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My prime account is used by like 3 households

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I buy so much of our needs on amazon

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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hulu is turning out to be better than netlix just because they aren't so focused on "hulu originals", they just have normal shows

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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their website looks like ebay in 2005

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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golden gust and, basically, fuck netflix

no no

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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So i ship enough shit around 😂

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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basically everything on netflix these days is just shitty netflix originals

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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netflix > primevideo

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I cancelled hulu, not enough shit to care about on it

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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netflix originals are good though

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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lol

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Yeah netlix is king

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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yeah i like netflix originals

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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ah yes i love life action anime's

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I have disney+, hulu, netflix, prime video, hbo max

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my SO kind of hates netflix tho

vernal moth Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Original stuff, better UI, better reocmmendatiojs, more stuff in general

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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content on netflix is shit, especially over here in the UK, and I'm not fond of the majority of netflix shit

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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your stackoverflow?

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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same cat

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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someone in my family activated Hulu Live TV on my account, so i cancelled it, they can pay for it themselves

warm anchor Dec 30, 2020, 7:10 PM

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US has more I think

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I watch anime on hulu, not much of that on netflix

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i watched like one serie on it and thats it

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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i don't pay for live TV on anything

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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isnt crunchyroll the anime place lol?

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its what my brother uses

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I have an air antenna for that

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yeah that's for weebs

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I'm not that hardcore

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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hello demon cutePepeWave

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:11 PM

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hulu has the anime I watch + a lot of other stuff I watch

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:12 PM

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i think his happiest element of xmas was getting crunchyroll premium

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:12 PM

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proxi 😔

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:12 PM

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😔

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Dude made his own PS5

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ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I watch CW shit on netflix but I hate that it takes like a year to actually get on netflix

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I usually end up using netflix to find the show and binge what they have then switch to torrents to keep up as it airs 😛

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:15 PM

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i hate when i search for a movie on netflix and it goes "we can mail you the DVD!" and I'm just like, are we serious right now

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Although when I say usually I really mean I did that twice, the other CW shows I either ignored or started on CW/torrent then dropped (Arrowverse)

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I need to finish the most recent season of the 100 and I think there's a new season of supergirl I need to watch...last season of the good place too. Man I'm behind

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staying culturally relevant these days takes so much work

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Yeah, The 100

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Good stuff

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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billy said this season ends pretty badly so we'll see

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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I mean, that's my biggest issue with all of the streaming platforms, especially in the UK

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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do you pay for dvd or something demon

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ive never seen that

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@slim nymph no way lol

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Like, it's much faster and less of a ballache to just torrent something than it is to figure out if it's on any of the platforms or whatever

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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the 100 was good

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Season was weird but the show was kind of going downhill anyway and they rushed an ending

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:17 PM

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minor badge the 100 was good

maybe the first season

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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It accomplished what it needed to and did a decent job of it but it's nothing amazing

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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i dont feel bad about pirating something im already paying a provider that offers that content for heh

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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it was good up until s6 or something imo

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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they are getting my money essentially

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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like whenever they had to escape earth again

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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yeah I thought the series ended really well when they woke up from hibernation above the new planet. I was like, man, what a satisfying ending

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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i lost interest half way through s2

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:18 PM

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but then they kept it going and....it's not great

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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whats CW?

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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a network

worn ember Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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oh

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thought it was a series lmao

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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cartoon wnetwork

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Supergirl is with that melissa chick right

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:19 PM

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idk, I really like supergirl

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dunno who the actors are

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I watched a bit of it but I felt the acting was too cringe

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Just like how agents of shield turned out for me

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Supergirl is like cotton candy

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I am pretty sure it's intended to be like an oldschool campy superhero show

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and that's how I watch it

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Empty fun but I can't stand a lot of it

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:21 PM

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I like watching superhero shit that isn't trying to be extremely edgy constantly

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i get enough edgy content from...literally everything else lol

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:21 PM

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It's not a binge kind of show, it's a "I'll enjoy watching it if I catch a random episode" kind of show

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I tried to binge the first season, got like 4 episodes in and just stopped

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:22 PM

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lol

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I binged it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:22 PM

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binged is a broken word because of all the people who can't spell bingged

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Actually I guess bingged would be wrong too so binged is just screwed

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:23 PM

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#gifs-and-memes or #memes

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:24 PM

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slim nymph i think his happiest element of xmas was getting crunchyroll premium

If they have made in abyss I recommend it, especially since his dark materials reminds me of it so much lol

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:25 PM

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ancient bolt I have disney+, hulu, netflix, prime video, hbo max

I have all the streaming services but I probably only regularly use netflix/amazon and crunchyroll

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:25 PM

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yeah for me it depends on the shows I'm watching at the moment

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:25 PM

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vernal moth Amazon Prime is worth it for the shipping alone

The prime card gives you 5% cashback on any amazon purchase (even from third party resellers) its a great value

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Wow they basically give you their entire transaction fee

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I guess it's them paying themselves otherwise

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:26 PM

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yeah I like my amazon card

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:26 PM

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that sounds like a US only thing

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:26 PM

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bought a shredder yesterday from the 5% cashback lol

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it's Chase so probably

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Amazon card their like credit card thing?

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:28 PM

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yeah, through chase

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Most of the things that make Prime worth the money are US only too

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$120 for free 2 day shipping when most things are free 3-5 day anyway isn't worth it unless you buy everything on Amazon

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:30 PM

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depending on where you are prime gets you same day and 1 day shipping too

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Most things I order get here within a day in san jose

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

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1 day shipping is free everywhere here

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except for amazon PepeLa

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actually i think that changed w/ amazon releasing natively in my country instead of using .de

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eitherway, not really any reason to use prime

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

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By gitting gud

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I can get same day delivery on some stuff

warm anchor Dec 30, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Amazon is 2 hour shipping if you pay extra $3.99-4.99 here

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Lol

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Something went wrong be a smarties figure out ur weakness

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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@twin lagoon how do i change paypal country

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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ancient bolt bought a shredder yesterday from the 5% cashback lol

I got a 12 page shredder kind of wish I got one that could handle more at once

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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minor badge <@!215448923681062913> how do i change paypal country

i don't think you can

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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mfw

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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call support

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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i also can't enter my address

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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yeah no you can't change any of that yourself

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I specifically got a teeny tiny shredder

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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gotta call support

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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mfw

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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even then, don't think you can change the country itself

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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will do that later

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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only thing I'll ever use it for is to shred mail occasionally

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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i dont care much abt citizenship

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Gotta talk to ppl what a nightmare

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

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am still norwegian citizen

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:35 PM

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fake norwegian

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walk

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:35 PM

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but i dont have norwegian address .

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:35 PM

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.

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:37 PM

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ancient bolt only thing I'll ever use it for is to shred mail occasionally

I make a lot of notes, sometimes I rewrite them and consider the old ones junk, I sort of let it build up until its shredding time, also shredding mail ofc

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 7:38 PM

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it drives me insane how much junk mail I get sent with PII

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like god damnit, now not only have you wasted paper, you've put my PII on it and I have to deal with it

heady spear Dec 30, 2020, 7:39 PM

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uwu @mental meadow

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:39 PM

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uwu

mental meadow Dec 30, 2020, 7:41 PM

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uwu

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whats a PII

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:42 PM

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personally identifying information

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I literally get mailed thick catalogs now because I registered a business, goes straight into recycling

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so much wasted paper

mental meadow Dec 30, 2020, 7:45 PM

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ah

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yeah same, since business registrations and addresses are public you get so much junk

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I'm always excited for mail and then it's just spam 😦

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:46 PM

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blahaj

minor badge Dec 30, 2020, 7:47 PM

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why do i not have a djungelskog emote

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:47 PM

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djungelskog clappywappy

mental meadow Dec 30, 2020, 7:48 PM

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same

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i need one

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but at least i got

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transblahaj

twin lagoon Dec 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

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blahaj

zealous wedge Dec 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

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blahaj

mental meadow Dec 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

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djungelskog

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yay

cedar spade Dec 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Anyone know of a competent standalone portals plugin?

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Spigot resource search is 💩

wide chasm Dec 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

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10 obsidian and a flint and steel /s

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

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wtf

cedar spade Dec 30, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Advanced Portals is the only one I've seen so far that looks particularly good

vestal jasper Dec 30, 2020, 8:17 PM

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10 obsidian

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Actually yeah 10 is corner less

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How do I math

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 8:17 PM

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You can do it with 8 now, can't you?

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I think it still has to be 3 tall.

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But you can make them taller/wider

peak ginkgo Dec 30, 2020, 8:21 PM

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at least 3 tall

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but any wide

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Even 1 wide?

peak ginkgo Dec 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Checking, but I think so?

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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I thought I tried one wide and it was like “fuck you”

peak ginkgo Dec 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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"(4×5 minimum, 23×23 maximum)"

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mc wiki

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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4x5?

peak ginkgo Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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technically 3 tall

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Oh right.

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Technically one on the other side.

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Duh

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So yeah 2 wide.

peak ginkgo Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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(either side)

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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That’s what I thought.

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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So 2x3 portal minimum

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Could have sworn you could make it 1 wide now

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

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10 min. 14 if you forget you can skip corners.

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By standalone do you mean doesn’t have a bunch of dependencies?

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Death to 2020 on Netflix is freaking hilarious

cedar spade Dec 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Just not Multiverse, don't really want to introduce it rn

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 8:37 PM

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whats wrong with mv lol

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really had no issues with it

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world plugins shouldnt be complicated nor have tons of features

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def best to packagize it

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mv has a little bit too much for it, were considering inlining it into our plugin to strip stuff

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i just want it to load worlds, no listeners

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Multiverse is a little big, but it's way too much if you're just trying to use a portal plugin.

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

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its a bit download but not big on what it does performance wise, and file size is not important

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its only big because of a shaded dep

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

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File size is a little important.

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Eventually :)

wide chasm Dec 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Isn't it like 2 mb or smth

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Doesn't sound like much of an issue

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Yeah it's really not that big.

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It just does a lot of stuff and I hate adding dependencies for the sake of dependencies if I'm not using any of the other stuff a thing does.

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 8:50 PM

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kashike 🥺

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 8:51 PM

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yes?

cedar spade Dec 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

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We don't need MV to manage worlds on that server, not much point putting it there (and just spent an evening setting up EssX Spawn, don't feel like redoing that now)

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hi

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

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kashike! The 4th!

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"Monday end of day"

spiral robin Dec 30, 2020, 8:53 PM

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what happens on the 4th

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i move on the 4th vibing_cat

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Delivery

cosmic raft Dec 30, 2020, 8:57 PM

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:3

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 8:59 PM

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its best to store an email as an VARCHAR(320) right?

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:00 PM

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That's what the standard says at least

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 9:00 PM

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stuff like teleporting new players to default world, mob spawning, etc

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we had to add a tick delay to override multiverses new player teleport

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we control mob spawning, so dont need mv to have listeners for it

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well if 1.17 has custom entity models like i think it does based on what i saw, maybe then 😛

ancient bolt Dec 30, 2020, 9:03 PM

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make sure the charset for the email column is unicode

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 9:03 PM

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dont know if we have anyone to be able to maintain models to do custom stuff though

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we were looking at it before though

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:03 PM

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TIL Terminator 2 used twins instead of CGI for a few scenes

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Yep

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Pretty neat.

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Sometimes the oldschool way is the better way

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 9:04 PM

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as much custom items we have, def want it

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we just have so much we want to do, hard to tack more on it

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need to complete our bigger pictures first

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im happy well finally have a break from mc updates now

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emc is finally up to date!

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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\m/

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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When the T-1000 imitates a guard it's just the dude's twin brother in the scenes where they're together and the mirror scene with Sarah Connor is Linda Hamilton's twin sister doing a choreographed set of actions so they'd sync up

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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'bout time

fallen oracle Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Wait Aikar does this mean you have more time for other stuff now?

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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It's not a mirror with the camera digitally removed, it's a window with another woman on the other side

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 9:05 PM

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and man server tps didnt melt like it did on 1.15 release lol

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so 1.15 must of been pain from world conversions

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1.16 went pretty smooth

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1.15 had to go from 1.12 to 1.15

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:11 PM

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magic river That's what the standard says at least

so something like this should be fine right

📎 unknown.png

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:12 PM

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Why do you need the salt column?

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bcrypt has the salt included

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:13 PM

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im not using bcrypt

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:13 PM

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^ and don't use varchar for fixed size fields

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i guess if you potentially plan to change the algo in the future, maybe 🤷‍♂️

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:13 PM

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why not?

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is it because of padding

slim nymph Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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ugh guess ima have to go back to chrome, firefox broke on 84 and cant search from address or search bar anymore

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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PHP has functions that do something similar to bcrypt and put the algorithm, parameters, salt, and hash all in one string

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So you can do in place upgrades in the future

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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im on python

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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I really like that idea, I bet other languages have libraries that do similar things

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Don't roll your own crypto

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What are you using instead of bcrypt?

sand epoch Dec 30, 2020, 9:15 PM

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use some authentication middleware that does everything for you that somebody has already written

waxen panther Dec 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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yes you can

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dont do your own cypto

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Should be bcrypt, scrypt, or PBKDF2

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/wnx8nq/why-you-dont-roll-your-own-crypto

Why You Don't Roll Your Own Crypto

The golden rule of encryption.

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https://resources.infosecinstitute.com/topic/the-dangers-of-rolling-your-own-encryption/

Infosec Resources

The Dangers of “Rolling Your Own” Encryption - Infosec Resources

Why It Takes a Community to Create Good Encryption What would our online world be like without cryptography? For a start, security as we know it would not

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Etc

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TL;DR: Don't roll your own crypto.

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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coarse lily Sometimes the oldschool way is the better way

When you can do practical effects they can easily sell the scene, however there is some very impressive CGI these days (Game of Thrones had some great usage of CGI)

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Doing SHA2 + salt manually isn't really rolling your own crypto

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I also can't believe I just linked to Vice

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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But it's close

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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battle tested library for security < DIY in a weekend impl

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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stiff yarrow When you can do practical effects they can easily sell the scene, however there ...

Absolutely! That's why I said "sometimes"

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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plz

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It depends on what the scene/story calls for.

void void Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Did I get pinged

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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so just use this? https://pypi.org/project/bcrypt/

PyPI

bcrypt

Modern password hashing for your software and your servers

void void Dec 30, 2020, 9:17 PM

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yes Hi

stiff yarrow Dec 30, 2020, 9:18 PM

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economy of scale, a good library is going to get way more eyes and work put into it than anything you write by yourself

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:18 PM

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if you're working with python, yea, use that

visual egret Dec 30, 2020, 9:18 PM

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thanks

golden gust Dec 30, 2020, 9:18 PM

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just, biggest thing is use a battle tested library for shit which needs to be safe

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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did this all start from oskar doing something stupid

waxen panther Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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as do most paper mc conversations now

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PepeLaugh

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Reminds me of the viper days

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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that was gonna be the punchline to my statement kekw

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TheViperShow?

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yes

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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he was just being an idiot in spigot

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yeah bcrypt works pretty well

left swift Dec 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

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He used to be an idiot here

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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sadge

magic river Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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TIL python's stdlib has PBKDF2 and scrypt but not bcrypt

void void Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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such aconyms

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PASFALKGJLSKG24126359

coarse lily Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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. . .

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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yes pls spam more! its so funny!

waxen panther Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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nightwolf more like

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PogO wolf

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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xDDDDD owned!

void void Dec 30, 2020, 9:20 PM

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yes I am wolf

limpid comet Dec 30, 2020, 9:21 PM

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broccoli more like

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broccoDance