Also here in Australia most AMDGPU cost more then NVIDIA equivalent lol
#general
void void
thin chasm
they don't even try to
waxen panther
Hello chiv
void void
waxen panther
@viral hornet can you come clean up this Australian
He’s giving your country a bad name
thin chasm
Please, do your research on linux drivers, try it yourself or belive us. Nvidia is worse that amd in this. They just are.
waxen panther
LMAO
waxen panther
I love that he thinks drivers are only important for games too
ashen cliff
You can't even install normal Nvidia drivers on Windows Server.
At least not in a supported configuration.
thin chasm
Yes. Like not even the encoders would work in linux
I haven't tried windows server
The last time I did it didn't even run my dedicated game server
waxen panther
Windows server is still windows and is therefore still crap
thin chasm
I would agree, but there are also things they got better than linux.
void void
also what's the issue of yours?
My GPU it says you can just use it for Linux AND EVEN BSD
thin chasm
Idk, english is not my language
waxen panther
both I guess
bruh
we didn’t say they didn’t have drivers we said they were bad lol
void void
More likely games are bad
thin chasm
also what's the issue of yours?
My GPU it says you can just use it for Linux AN...
The drivers won't support rtx, nvec, and many more things
waxen panther
Good luck jiriks
void void
most games don't even start on linux because of bad marketing choices
thin chasm
Like Try it yourself
void void
EasyAntiCheat 🤡
thin chasm
I have nothing to say to you until then
ashen cliff
Linux still runs more Windows games than Windows. 
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hello. i had a 1060 for a few years, both tried nouveau (FOSS drivers) and nvidia (proprietary drivers); neither of them worked well with regular kernel panics with normal workload (i.e. browsing, development, terminals)
thin chasm
most games don't even start on linux because of bad marketing choices
Nope. Only multiplayer competitive games with anticheat (battleeye, easy anticheat) do not work
void void
Try booting Battlefield V on your beloved Wine machine, yeah epic 40 fps
thin chasm
And heck, easy anticheat did work in linux
still cosmos
hello. i had a 1060 for a few years, both tried nouveau (FOSS drivers) and nvidi...
Hi proxiii :D
thin chasm
People pathced wine
ashen cliff
Do you even get more than 40 on that 1660?
void void
yeah I get like so good performance on Windows 10 pro
minor badge
friend of mine actually does that. works great for him with his radeon 580 at around 80fps after shader compilation
thin chasm
And it worked for gods sake. Only they patched the anticheat again to not support it..
minor badge
wine is incredibly good compared to merely 2 yrs ago
thin chasm
yeah I get like so good performance on Windows 10 pro
For me, I always had better fps in linux.
ashen cliff
Thank you Valve.
thin chasm
I got double the performance with csgo
thin chasm
No
minor badge
it is worth mentioning that shader compilation is slow and is hacky
wine runs great
and battlefield V is also c++
thin chasm
only if you run Native
Ok, then go to a voice room and I'll stream you a gta v
minor badge
try wine 5
thin chasm
Windows only game
minor badge
it works great :)
thin chasm
running in linux
void void
Nah im out , I don't have to prove anyone Windows is faster
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not everything is as great, obviously, but most things should run at near-native
void void
💟 Bill Gates
tiny dune
Hey where is support channel?
thin chasm
Nah im out , I don't have to prove anyone Windows is faster
Yeah, you do. The overhead is as big as it can get
minor badge
your entire line of reasoning depends on you trying to prove it is faster
thin chasm
It uses 4x the ram on instalation
olive marlin
Hey where is support channel?
still cosmos
Hey where is support channel?
#paper-help for Paper, #waterfall-help for Waterfall
still cosmos
It uses more DRAM because it has more GUIs and services
and no one asked for these GUIs and services
"Update Orchestrator Service"
minor badge
worth mentioning my work laptop runs its many services (stupid policies...) and even gnome at below 1GB idle memory usage
windows does not have that luxury anymore kek
void void
and no one asked for these GUIs and services
So you're telling me you like to edit files by hand instead of GUI
good luck have fun editing system variables and registries
thin chasm
wtf?
thin chasm
good luck have fun editing system variables and registries
Linux does not have registery
still cosmos
good luck have fun editing system variables and registries
sys variables = export
registry = linux doesnt have registry
olive marlin
I'm glad I don't have to bear with Windows shit anymore. I thought I won't switch to Linux for a long time.
void void
Im so happy with my Windows Server and Windows 10 Pro Desktop
thin chasm
So you're telling me you like to edit files by hand instead of GUI
Omg, please, try it yourself. Install pop os, lutris, steam play whatever you want and then come back
olive marlin
But then when I installed it and noticed how much better it is, I made the switch.
void void
my Minecraft server runs on Windows Server
still cosmos
I still have to deal with Windows because my laptop is too bad for Wine to run good
void void
and it's SO smooth , 20 TPS, running LightSpigot
still cosmos
my Minecraft server runs on Windows Server
at least not on Windows 10
thin chasm
I still have to deal with Windows because my laptop is too bad for Wine to run g...
Like I have a laptop where windows bottlenecked itself to oblivion
it took 5 MNUTES TO LOG IN ON SSD
still cosmos
and it's SO smooth , 20 TPS, running LightSpigot
And? Linux will have the same performance
(also random forks lol)
thin chasm
Literally...
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@olive marlin you doing AOC?
olive marlin
<@209234044657991680> you doing AOC?
Nah, not having time for it sadly. Working on finishing my thesis to be done with Uni.
thin chasm
and it's SO smooth , 20 TPS, running LightSpigot
Just go into voice chat and I'll show you how gamer run.
still cosmos
@marï // Proximyst#0069 AOC?
vernal moth
Advent of code
olive marlin
Advent of Code
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You can ping :)
still cosmos
thanks
void void
not really feeling like joining VC rn
I trust you managed to make your linux super fast
but it's still not always going to be like this
minor badge
my only issue is if people ping while im clearly there and theyre annoying (i.e. not reading answers, lacking crucial, basic knowledge abt java, etc.)
olive marlin
Next year I plan on doing AOC, probably fully in Rust (or another language, if I'll learn something new like GoLang).
minor badge
perhaps we drop the argument? wolf clearly doesnt care :p
thats epic bloodstone
go is a good lang to pick up
still cosmos
It's sad that you can't change stupid people's mind.
thin chasm
Like, I don't care. Use whatever suit you.
But these things he says are just not true
olive marlin
Go is a shitty lang, but unfortunately a lot of DevOps tools are written in it. So need to learn how to extend them for k8s development etc.
void void
otherwise enterprises wouldn't be buying Windows Server licenses for thousand of dollars each year
still cosmos
they have skilled developers
And we have community!
Their older products aged well
thin chasm
they have skilled developers
So does linux.
olive marlin
All operating systems have their place.
untold copper
Haiii
void void
Even our school used to have a whole system made with Windows Server instance (it handled 500 desktops)
olive marlin
For me, I can't even look at Windows. But I understand why people use it.
Hi Snoopa.
thin chasm
otherwise enterprises wouldn't be buying Windows Server licenses for thousand of...
One question then. What operating system runs the internet then? What kernel runs your phone? What runs the fastest supercomputers?
If linux wouldn't have skilled developers, why would it be completly dominant in these places?
untold copper
Windows is nice
olive marlin
How's your new SSD going?
void void
One question then. What operating system runs the internet then? What kernel run...
fastest super computer runs IBM stuff
RedHat
weird stuff ngl
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its actually a fairly decent lang, bloodstone
void void
It's probably more like Unix and less Linux
olive marlin
Through IBM killed RedHat https://centos.rip
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it has very well known shortcomings, but for quick prototyping and expanding projects, its often easy and decent
olive marlin
I'd prefer python for prototyping.
vernal moth
(altho they raised prices as soon as ibm brought them)
olive marlin
Give me generics!
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fair enough, each to their own
thin chasm
Also linux kernel runs same for amr, x86 and so much more stuff
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i know go better than python, so it works fairly well for me for prototyping
olive marlin
I know Go has similar error handling as Rust.
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it has """similar""" yes
olive marlin
But I feel like Rust does it better.
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it 100% does
thin chasm
I have never tried go or rust. Like I'm beginer. I know some arduino (it was like pseudo c and c++ i think) c#, little html, css, php
olive marlin
Idk, not a fan of Go in general. Want to learn a bit more to be able to touch tools written in Go, but nothing much.
void void
I only know Julia and some Java
vernal moth
Thankfully I just avoid everything that isn't java or javascript/typescript or kotlin gradle ^^
C# is ok too I guess
olive marlin
Rust is very nice, but has quite steep learning curve because of how it manages memory without GC.
minor badge
I enjoy Rust most ngl
untold copper
How's your new SSD going?
@olive marlin we've ordered it
olive marlin
Me too.
untold copper
I think
vernal moth
Rust is so low level tho
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but Java at least earns me salary so its fairly okay
vernal moth
It's scary
minor badge
Rust is high-low-level
vernal moth
I just wanna get shit done
olive marlin
It's not. I don't touch low level shit.
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if you use it, you quickly lose the ability to call it either
vernal moth
It's lower level than java, javascript and c# ^^
Also i don't like the syntax, it feels hard to read
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fair, many dont
vernal moth
I mean, i don't know the lang, but normally you can still see what's going on
olive marlin
That's fair. I know Kotlin is harder to read than Java for people who know neither.
vernal moth
And nowadays I read more code than writing it, both at paper and at work, lol
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thats gonna be me for a while
vernal moth
I know kotlin and still find it meh to read without an ide ^^
minor badge
400 repos to read and learn >.>
olive marlin
And the same is with Rust. It's a bit harder to read, because it has custom syntax features.
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then another thousand (minus the frontends ig) or so over the next few yrs
olive marlin
But once I got the basics, it's very pleasant to use.
vernal moth
400 repos to read and learn >.>
Let them give you easy tasks that allow you to learn individual projects
You don't need to learn everything at once
minor badge
theyre trying but i joined at the end of a sprint
vernal moth
I still haven't touched every app my team manages, after 2 years in the team
vernal moth
Sometimes those are hard to find
Some of the first tasks i assign new ppl is text changes ^^
Wfe don't have text abstracted out everywhere, for various reasons
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we "do"
tranquil bone
woops i already have 4
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we have to support like 11 langs
tranquil bone
u ping me 2
upper flicker
good lord talk about fanboys
frankly I only play games that support CGA to avoid this
upper flicker
JVM is significantly faster on linux
vernal moth
we have to support like 11 langs
Ah yeah, we don't, german or bust
upper flicker
Its one thing to be a fanboy, its another to talk out of your ass
vernal moth
Am having a hard time enforcing english method names sometimes
vernal moth
Its one thing to be a fanboy, its another to talk out of your ass
The latter one is better, right?
lyric patio
doubt JVM is faster on Linux
yeah thats bullshit, jvm is sooooo much faster on a lightweight linux distro
lyric patio
The latter one is better, right?
of course
upper flicker
yes mini
lyric patio
hey i mean it worked
vernal moth
I mean, depends on the topic
upper flicker
idk youre kind of a beer fanboy
lyric patio
LOL
lyric patio
🤷
olive marlin
I wish I could find this article in English. But one of Polish companies fired IT support because they found someone for 1/4 the price. And later called him back to ask for help, because the new guy started putting "Alienware" laptop as serwer, 30 inches monitor as "monitoring system" etc. Half of the infra is missing, servers got encrypted... It apparently ended with the director of the company beating the new guy to blood lol
vestal jasper
frankly I only play games that support CGA to avoid this
40×25 mode best mode
slim nymph
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-rw-rw-r-- 1 aikar aikar 35M Nov 8 2016 discord-canary-0.0.11.deb
-rw-rw-r-- 1 aikar aikar 36M Jan 3 2017 discord-canary-0.0.13.deb
-rw-rw-r-- 1 aikar aikar 31M Oct 8 2016 discord-canary-0.0.8.deb
is discord reusing versions or is canary just versioned different. I had a canary 0.0.13 from 3 years ago, and the new deb is now 0.0.13 lol
still cosmos
prolly canary named differently
still cosmos
idk
spiral robin
Lol that's weird
void void
maybe he made a fake account lol
ashen cliff
Why would you make a fake account with your own image?
void void
idk ask him
left swift
Yo
unreal pike
Does anyone know how to stop snow from getting in a house
woven otter
close the doors
unreal pike
ashen cliff
Reminds me of an old ViaVersion bug.
unreal pike
I don't have viaversion
woven otter
yes via is bad
sharp tree
So whats the difference between RDP (Remote Desktop Connection) and VNC (Virtual Network Computing). So I asked yesterday why my minecraft on the RDP crashes when I close the Remote Desktop Connection, and I got answered "You kill the GPU for it" Why would VNC fix that? I dont understand this at all lol
ashen cliff
RDP on non server versions of Windows, kills the session/user. You need to patch a dll to prevent that.
sharp tree
I have tried to read some articles
golden gust
Because vnc would show you the actual servers desktop instead of the simulated mess that rdp sessions do on windows
sharp tree
RDP on non server versions of Windows, kills the session/user. You need to patch...
Im connecting from Windows 10 to Windows 10
ashen cliff
So yeah, that issue exists in your case.
sharp tree
Ok
upper flicker
tbh that should still keep working just fine unless java is doing something weird with the server GUI
might have to poke at that later
ashen cliff
Well no, since RDP kills the session on disconnect.
upper flicker
RDP doesnt kill the session
golden gust
Closing the rdp session will detach the client from it's virtual display thing
upper flicker
it just detaches the session from the screen
ashen cliff
It will log out the user.
upper flicker
it does do a whole lot of funky display switching fun though
no
it will not
if you choose to logout, it ends the session
simply disconnecting does not kill the session
golden gust
Yea, which is where it's pooping pixels to, which renderers don't like it when you kill that
unreal quarry
It will log out the user.
it locks the screen, similar to win+L
ashen cliff
On multi user setups it logs out the user and kills their stuff.
upper flicker
no it doesnt even do that
golden gust
It probably cries about not being able to access the display
upper flicker
it just disconnects the display
ashen cliff
Go test it.
upper flicker
the session, even multi-user continues to run in the background
Im literally RDP'd into 4 windows machines right now
golden gust
You can configure it to auto kill, doesn't have to, however
upper flicker
windows non-server limitation is that only one session can be in the foreground at a time, connected to a display
not that it goes around killing all the other sessions
golden gust
Mc just hates the display switch
upper flicker
VNC doesnt do any of that funky display switching and reattaching that RDP proper does, so its not triggering whatever that garbage is that the server doesnt like
also why its so awful to use for real work
austere ivy
does anyone have any recommendations for washing machines? ours just broke (p.s. sears sucks, we've been paying $300 a year for like 10 years for their extended warranty and we called them, it's been a month, and it's been a mess of trying to get them to pay for literally anything. every time we call they say something different, and one time we were on hold for literally 5 hours. do not get anything related to sears)
upper flicker
proper RDP or like the open source RDP that third parties build on top of linux
because the stuff for linux is typically just a subset of the real thing
I would stick with VNC there
actually I would stick with SSH there, but thats besides the point
unreal quarry
just use telnet
golden gust
These days I've kinda fallen in love with no machine for my remote needs
lyric patio
If you can just learn how to interact with a computer efficiently with a terminal and use ssh
golden gust
Generally as rdp is not an option and macos vnc works but is kinda... Well, it's vnc....
upper flicker
its largely because of how crazy the screen res is on the macs that you start to see VNC get bad
lower your screen res a ton if you need an actual remote mac 🙂
@sharp tree are you using the server gui or just running from cmd/powershell
that gui breaking wouldnt surprise me at all
it shouldnt be an issue from a console
bah just kill xorg
does purge kill running services?
ashen cliff
Depends on the uninstall script.
upper flicker
the files it needs are loaded in RAM as long as its never stopped
restart it once
then kick it too
worn ember
yes kick z
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@upper flicker zuwu750
upper flicker
hi proxi
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helo z
woven otter
$350 penalty
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no thank u
austere ivy
proxi
woven otter
wtf wtf wtf
austere ivy
do you have any recommendations for a washing machine
why does no one want to talk about washing machines with me
limber knotBOT
washing machines and dishwashers today suk
top loading with agitator is the only effective washing machine
sharp tree
<@!414804169078210561> are you using the server gui or just running from cmd/pow...
Im not running any servers on the RDP, or I have one mc server there, but I tried to run regular minecraft, leave the account afk, close the RDP, go sleep but didnt work
upper flicker
running regular MC is gonna blow up in your face
because its GPU accelerated
and switching screens like RDP does, under the best of circumstances is not smooth
austere ivy
yeah, unfortunately it doesn't seem like anyone sells 10 year old washers in modern day
sucks :I
upper flicker
and especially under lwjgl that MC uses its gonna just go boom
sharp tree
Z750 VNC?
fallen wren
Best washing machine is your hands
sharp tree
Yeah I lowered every setting
upper flicker
VNC is not RDP, does not do any screen switching or faux display acceleration
that should work fine
worn ember
yeah, unfortunately it doesn't seem like anyone sells 10 year old washers in mod...
you can have ours, it still works fine but but we had to duct tape it together 
sharp tree
I checked logs and the mc crashed because chunk rendering
upper flicker
maybe if you started MC from the remote session and never made it switch back and forth
RDP does have some fancy gpu extensions but I think MS is disabling them for security reasons
austere ivy
you can have ours, it still works fine but but we had to duct tape it together <...
thanks ded ❤️
upper flicker
avoid RDP for stuff that requires 3D gpu accel
sharp tree
Ok
limber knotBOT
make washing machines great again
austere ivy
there are like these.. samsung washers that are wifi and app connected and it's like.. okay, about two years ago I saw an advertisement on tv for samsung's new washing machine and the big deal was that you can start the washer from the app. so the woman in the commercial loaded her laundry, put in the soap, closed the washing machine, then started driving somewhere but forgot to turn it on (but remembered later to turn it on) and then she started the washing machine with her phone
like
??????
still cosmos
then started driving somewhere but forgot to turn it on
limber knotBOT
lul
that's all they can do these days given dum laws n stuff, or at least that's the case for dishwashers, though I think some order removed some of those restrictions
golden gust
I mean, it's a nice idea being able to start a load when you're out, I throw stuff in the machine but can't always turn it on depending on when I wake up and shit
sharp tree
do you really need remote desktop
Its in our little room where is some electric stuff and everything, its not made for gaming or anything like that. It was ment to be like home server, that has some stuff. But I mean its pretty powerful computer and its on 24/7, so of course I will use it lol
golden gust
Only issue is that now you're moving the likely failure from a mechanical issue in a few dozen years to some random pcb in 3
limber knotBOT
mine sum dogecoin 4 me
still cosmos
that was a joke, which you could probably understand by reading the message and remembering who wrote it
golden gust
(or, whenever warranty expires +1 (month/week/day)
austere ivy
at this point it’s be easier to break into someone’s apartment, steal their two decade old washing machine, and pay for damages than try to go through sears’ cruddy customer service for our warranty that we’ve been paying for for 10 fucin years
upper flicker
lol
limber knotBOT
lol, warranty
golden gust
Shit just ain't built to last these days
worn ember
just yeet it and buy a new one
golden gust
And when a replacement pcb for the brain box costs as much as it does, the mechanical aspects are also generally shoddy so you might as well buy new
still cosmos
just yeet it and buy a new one
Every single modern company™️
limber knotBOT
afaik there are no good washers these days
golden gust
Hopefully learn a lesson and go for a cheaper one
worn ember
buy you can activate your washing machine from your phone now!!!!
left swift
Warranties are scams
golden gust
Pretty much, it's always the PCB that goes too
still cosmos
buy you can activate your washing machine from your phone now!!!!
that's totally safe and doesnt mean anyone can hack in and turn it on at night!!!111
left swift
Geeksquad
next wind
but my Samsung™️ SmartFridge™️ has to have the news report ready when I grab a yogurt!
left swift
Cant smart fridges keep track of the things in ur fridge and place them on a list or order them for you when they are gone
limber knotBOT
waiting for the day that my fridge becomes a vending machine
left swift
Just buy a vending machine and use it as your fridge
limber knotBOT
star trek original series style, I ask and it gives me what I want
left swift
That'll be 500$
limber knotBOT
now what I'm looking for is SmartTrash
so I don't have to take out the trash anymore
left swift
Why are u looking for yourself
unreal quarry
worn ember
please stop connecting random shit to the internet
excuse me how will my fridge know what to buy if its not connected to the interwebs
upper flicker
I cant wait to get banner ads for random shit using the data my fridge collects about me and sends back to them
limber knotBOT
who here has robot vacuum
worn ember
i have a roomba
limber knotBOT
which model a mapping one or nah
limber knotBOT
o kewl u must have clean floors
worn ember
no
austere ivy
we've got top loaders and front loaders, how come we don't have side loaders yet?
worn ember
we have 2 dogs, so its never clean
limber knotBOT
or do you just let it have at it with clothes and cords n stuff
austere ivy
also seems like speed queen isn't a great brand anymore since 2018. this is frustrating.
my parents asked me for a recommendation and I don't think I can recommend "anything made before the year 2000" to them
unreal quarry
i thought about getting a robot vacuum once. but then remembered i have cats
they'd kill the robot
worn ember
or ride it
unreal quarry
it'd end up in a water bowl
limber knotBOT
.wa 13:00 CST to berlin time
worn ember
they're quite heavy tbh
limber knotBOT
(MiniDigger) Result: 6:00:00 am CET | Wednesday, December 9, 2020 - https://is.gd/LAuqW0
that makes no sense
WA, you DTS is wrong!
off by one hour
unreal quarry
you said CST instead of CDT
mental meadow
20:00
limber knotBOT
anyways, the nasa photo plane is set to start in about an hour it seems!
.wa time CST
(MiniDigger) Result: 1:50:01 am CST | Thursday, December 10, 2020 - https://is.gd/OrTA1B
wait
am on the 10th?
unreal quarry
its CDT this time of year, not CST
limber knotBOT
wat
mental meadow
unreal quarry
.wa time CDT
upper flicker
death to dst, death to timezones
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
unreal quarry
i'm in central time
upper flicker
are they trying again today and we have a time?
unreal quarry
yup
limber knotBOT
basically, the photo plane is set to launch again at 12:30 central time
,g nasa927 flight tracker
.g nasa927 flight tracker
(MiniDigger) https://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA927 -- NASA927 Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware: "Flight status, tracking, and historical data for NASA927 including scheduled, estimated, and actual departure and arrival times."
ah nice that site even has a countdown timer
so idk, maybe they try in 2 hour or so
mighty storm
Twitter
mossy vessel
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woven otter
proxi pls
vernal moth
Cool talk about the game test framework I tried to use the other day
It's really cool and I really hope they open it to the community
worn ember
That's cool
vernal moth
Ppl are saying NET 1400 cst for the test launch
fallen oracle
So like 90 minutes?
unreal quarry
yeah
they just said it on the live feed i'm watching, too
earliest possible launch time is 2pm (its 12:30 now)
limber knotBOT
(NET = no earlier then, for the uninitiated)
limber knotBOT
the engine aborted startup autonomously because it didn't like smth
dont think they have released any info?
looks like moved back
merry talon
with that much complexity I'm surprised rockets ever launch at all
the number of checks and failsafes must be absurd
vernal moth
I mean
It's literal rocket science ^^
What's more surpring to me is that we managed to launch ppl to the moon
Fucking 50 years ago
left swift
Just yolo it build a giant rubber band in the sky and launch a rocket to space
golden gust
Not really surprising
left swift
Throwback what
golden gust
It's basically just basic bureaucracy
US wanted to get a man on the moon, and so they used the existing tech to get a man on the moon
left swift
Using a stage and camera
golden gust
There wasn't as much regulation red tape back then, so even thought it was on the edge of science, there where a lot of resources thrown into it and people can focus on the goal and getting it done vs appeasing the red tape
upper flicker
if the US was as focused on it now as they were back then, that tape would disappear
its just not a priority in comparison to everything else
can see it reflected in budgets and all over
left swift
Space force
golden gust
Issue is that places like nasa generally get thrown on the back road
And, when you're dealing with government contracts, you get what you pay for
boeing coulda done the whole relanding boosters years before spacex, but, they don't get paid to create a reusable craft, they get paid to make a craft
cosmic raft
uh oh
warm anchor
If only US can spend less on defense budget we’d have a moon base 
cosmic raft
That was fun
vernal moth
It's also boeing, so even when they get paid to build a craft it doesn't work
cosmic raft
I used all 64GB of RAM in my desktop and had to hard shutdown to reboot
vernal moth
Their one is still not certified while spacex is already doing real missions
golden gust
Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken
So, just another government contract 🤷♂️
runs
unkempt drift
Ooo, just woke up. Glad to see another attempt is probably happening.
mental meadow
when? 😮
unkempt drift
At least another hour.
coarse lily
Who is kangarko? And why would banning them from Spigot make everyone happy?
mighty storm
Yeah
coarse lily
No
golden gust
Or, whatever he's calling that scam these days that we get to deal with the people who come out the other end and have half a clue of basic java 😦
unreal quarry
If you don't know kangarko, you haven't used the spigot site very much
coarse lily
Oh it's like a "I'll teach you to write plugins"?
coarse lily
If you don't know kangarko, you haven't used the spigot site very much
I haven't used the spigot site very much
I generally write my own stuff and use the few big main third party plugins like worldedit,etc.
left swift
Skript training course
coarse lily
WTF is Skript
Skript is a plugin for Paper/Spigot, which allows server owners and other people to modify their servers without learning Java.
Oh
left swift
Yea
unreal quarry
I haven't used the spigot site very much
Explains it. Well, he's like an annoying tv lawyer, you can't go a day without seeing his face plastered on something advertising his thing
unreal quarry
Such a punchable face, too
left swift
Skript me like one of your french girls
unkempt drift
I thought he was mineacademy,
unreal quarry
does it matter? its annoying
golden gust
official review
unkempt drift
yep, lol
golden gust
Does he know what a review is...
unkempt drift
if only all product makers could review their own stuff
unreal quarry
@vernal moth we got venting! \o/
vernal moth
Wooo
unkempt drift
oh I think i see it, in the tank farm right?
vernal moth
Plane in the air yet?
vernal moth
Should I move from bed to couch? 😂
unkempt drift
the pilot of the plane has a twitter acct and is posting stuff about it
unkempt drift
worn ember
some nub just posted an error about betterrtp in my rtp review
and its like an entire page too
just posted the entire config in the review lmfao
next wind
literally has the discord invite as well if he was looking for support 🤦♂️
worn ember
ikr
next wind
their site is broke though, at least on firefox
coarse lily
Ha
worn ember
can i report this somehow?
unreal quarry
i've never felt older than i do right now. listening to the commentators on the spacex live stream, and they legit sound like high school kids to me lol
unkempt drift
the nasaspaceflight one?
worn ember
i'm a college kid and they sound like highschool kids
unreal quarry
the nasaspaceflight one?
yeah
worn ember
but yeah, ur old
upper flicker
opens livestream
"play with whatever you got"
alrighty its one of those livestreams then
worn ember
not much in your case 
upper flicker
lol
golden gust
i heard he only has one nad
vernal moth
they are huge nerds too, its so fun, I feel normal for once, lol
limpid comet
did u keep the balls
worn ember
wait, you mean we werent supposed to ignore him till now?
mighty storm
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/2 when you paste stack traces in your issue description
unkempt drift
lol!
coarse lily
I mean, not so much funny as "WTF"
limpid comet
funny and relatable
coarse lily
Highlighting the perils of automated systems. :)
left swift
Ded someone posted an error from someone else's rtp plugin on your rtp plugin?
next wind
at least he gave 5 stars lol
left swift
Maybe if ded didnt name his rtp plugin the same as the other 30 rtp plugins
coarse lily
I'm having an issue with apache on this box. Maybe I should post the error into that RTP plugin,too.
Since we're just piling on unrelated stuff?
left swift
Async random death teleport
coarse lily
They should all be called MostlyRandomTP anyway
worn ember
"why the nether not work????"
uses rtp plugin that doesnt support nether
worn ember
PseudoRandomTeleport
unreal quarry
55 minutes now @vernal moth
upper flicker
good lord this stream
vernal moth
woo
fallen oracle
55 min till launch?
coarse lily
PseudoRandomTP is better.
upper flicker
"actually to clarify its not blah blah blah but its more like sort of blah blah"
every time
worn ember
muted
left swift
AsynchronusPseudoRandomizingTeleport
coarse lily
IDunnoSendThemSomewhere.jar
unreal quarry
new drinking game, Z. everytime someone says "tank farm"
left swift
Nominal
upper flicker
someone @ me when the spacex stream starts at 3
mental meadow
what is the ETA?
worn ember
death by alcohol poisoning
upper flicker
this one isnt gonna work
worn ember
sorry its 9 here
woven otter
IDunnoSendThemSomewhere.jar
ChosenByFairDiceRollGuaranteedToBeRandomTeleport is better
worn ember
i know
coarse lily
Each command has to send a message to a guy in a basement who has to roll the dice
Then he enters the number
So response times from commands are maybe 5-10 seconds.
woven otter
then shorten it to CBFDRGTBRandomTeleport
worn ember
ok doing that now
coarse lily
Oh sorry I meant long in response time, not in name.
woven otter
lol
coarse lily
The longer the name the higher quality the plugin.
worn ember
it wont even make orbit m8
woven otter
actually you know what? providing a service that rolls a real dice and returns a result via api sounds like an interesting project idea
worn ember
go for it
coarse lily
I've seen something like that once.
A long time ago.
It was a mechanical trigger to roll the dice.
worn ember
hmm that could be cool
unkempt drift
official spacex stream starts in 45 mins
woven otter
hmm that could be cool
definitely better than making another minecraft plugin lel
quasi valley
can we ban camm
he doesn't want to update to Java 11 or later
@viral hornet you monster
woven otter
ban kneny for maintaining via while at it
woven otter
kneny is actually evil
coarse lily
Java 7 for life.
viral hornet
wtf
golden gust
typical kenny
viral hornet
ellow
viral hornet
🟨 ellow @quasi valley 🟨
visual egret
woven otter
for you today
woven otter
move to java 17 instead
unreal quarry
sounds like this guy is talking into a tin can
coarse lily
I only use Java versions that are prime numbers.
unreal quarry
wth
visual egret
verry funny. very funny
fallen oracle
Hmm 🤔
visual egret
such virus
left swift
Brave
slim nymph
someone actually using brave lol
visual egret
bruh imagine using a web browser
woven otter
that's pretty brave
visual egret
i just put the cable in my mouth and inhale the bytes and decode them in my head
get on my level
nom nom
fallen oracle
What's the problem with Brave?
visual egret
there is none
unique snow
It is basically Chrome in the backend. So it's basically Edge.
limpid comet
jvm bytecode is a myth
visual egret
wdym m8?
limpid comet
you heard me
woven otter
yes it's not bytecode it's breadcode
unkempt drift
its started!
visual egret
then smack that paper onto a hdd
unkempt drift
the Great Closing
visual egret
and boom
vernal moth
wut?
woven otter
it's run by a dvm
unkempt drift
#paper-github like 180 issues gonna be closed today
limpid comet
wtf based
vernal moth
wooo
fallen oracle
Has it been the 7 days or whatever?
unkempt drift
yeah
fallen oracle
That'll be nice.
limpid comet
did they turn like every pokestop into a gym or something
cuz now there's a gym 30 seconds from my house whic his cool
left swift
unkempt drift
5 minutes now...
visual egret
?
unkempt drift
watch the official spacex one as well. gonna have the best camera angles
fallen oracle
Ya
unkempt drift
abort
upper flicker
is there not a stream link on that page?
visual egret
?
unkempt drift
https://spacex.com/webcast has the link
visual egret
there is this
upper flicker
cunning raft
aborted again 
unkempt drift
but yeah, they are detanking, they still have 2 hours left in launch window
coarse lily
Weird
upper flicker
found that though
cunning raft
oh they have a huge launch window
unkempt drift
there should be a watch button Z750
upper flicker
nop
coarse lily
That spaceX page has a link for watching for me.
limpid comet
someone fill me in what's going on
worn ember
everyone died
limpid comet
cool\
slim nymph
big bomb trying to flyi nto space
coarse lily
You on mobile, Z?
limpid comet
bomb? :c
worn ember
they aborted again
unkempt drift
well not quite space... like 41000 ft
worn ember
they should play it safe
coarse lily
That was the watch button
upper flicker
nope
slim nymph
what do you call an object filled with explosive material that can explode into a massive fireball
i call it a bomb
limpid comet
is this one gonna land itself
unkempt drift
gonna attempt to at least
worn ember
why did they abort now?
unkempt drift
unsure
worthy geode
2 min is too early for engine problem, idk
limpid comet
we dont know what is happening
unkempt drift
probably wasn't an auto abort
worn ember
careful it doesnt explode on the launchpad blue
unkempt drift
could be any number of things, sensor out of family, range violation, weather looks fine so prob not that
limpid comet
its a risk im willing to take for my quest
WAIT
new one!
new time!
new t zero
worthy geode
standing by for new t-0, just hold, not scrub, nice
limpid comet
what does is scrub meaning?
worn ember
ur a skrub
fallen oracle
Why'd the cancel this one?
unkempt drift
unsure at this time, but not cancelled yet
limpid comet
you guys think i have 15 minutes to go to the pokestop
unkempt drift
yesterday was a scrub but they still have 2 hours left in their launch window Glare. could be a range violation so they have to hold while the police go kick someone off. If they do continue countdown, thats probably what it was
slim nymph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8bZkTjEnXw this has commentary, some plane came nearby so likely reason
unkempt drift
yeah, annoying af
slim nymph
not confirmed though
limpid comet
ngl the rocket kinda looks like its made of tinfoil and toilet paper rolls
unkempt drift
couple months ago a boat got too close and they had to scrub a test
worn ember
imagine being a boat
left swift
Couldn't be me
worn ember
yeah me neither, my dad was an ostrich
limpid comet
can someone ping me if we get a new time so I know to jettison myself home
pseudo pilot
unkempt drift
oof
left swift
What flavor
woven otter
oof
visual egret
is there a better way to update production than to just run git pull origin master?
visual egret
as in, i want to:
1. Download new change (if available)
2. Restart server (if new change was done)
3. do this every 60 seconds
also am on 4gb of ram, not sure if i want to be running docker
or is that enough, never used it
did i mention that accounting for the other things ill be running on that machine, ill probably have like 700mb of ram available
ouch
coarse lily
How big are the things you're trying to pull every 60 seconds?
slim nymph
60 seconds? wtf
visual egret
an api server, probably less than 10mb
slim nymph
deploy manually or least based on a CI server
coarse lily
Yeah every 60 seconds seems like a bad plan.
vernal moth
new T-0 1640 cst 2240 utc
visual egret
is there a good way to do this? i dont use git that often, i got github desktop :)
fallen oracle
Damn. I was banking on watching this and then taking an exam.
unkempt drift
yeah, def nicer images
vernal moth
you can even see the "landing legs"
unkempt drift
I have another stream up on my laptop and the spacex one on my big tv
slim nymph
next launch in 1hr 15 mins
visual egret
btw can anyone help me with that thing, or at least a good way to do it?
ive compiled a bit more of a sane plan:
- Check If git has updates
- If it has updates / when is updated
|- Pull the repo
|- restart a service
|- exit
- If none
|- exit
or at least a guide
golden gust
if there is a guide, google it, that's what we'd have to do
go check the return values of git fetch or something
vernal moth
why not: if you push smth to prod branch, CI/CD goes brrrrr and does a new deployment?
golden gust
or, really, just use CI to do it
jenkins for example can run whatever the heck you tell it to run on a commit being pushed
vernal moth
heck
slim nymph
and lets you put tests and such to prevent bad commits
vernal moth
you can make jenkins ssh into your server
visual egret
i could do the same with GH actions, right?
vernal moth
I guess, ye
visual egret
thanks ill try do it
unique snow
GH actions are a bit more complicated to get it to do "anything" but it technically could do about anything.
visual egret
i can get it to SSH, right?
vernal moth
gh actions allow you to just run shell shit
slim nymph
well if you set it up right sure
unique snow
I think you can yea.
slim nymph
youll have to use some secret credentials thing in github
unique snow
Yeah GH actions allow secrets I believe
slim nymph
and then careful on output, unless this is a private repo
unique snow
Yeah, you don't want your secrets exposed in a section someone could PR a change that echo's those creds, you'd have to read about how to mitigate that problem.
vernal moth
github does a good job at masking
visual egret
vernal moth
and you can make it only run on a protected branch
unique snow
Ah that's good to know
vernal moth
like you can also restrict secrrets to protected branches
unkempt drift
except it sucks
void void
go use atlassian then
upper flicker
or one of the many userscripts that do it better
vernal moth
gitlab > github > gitlab.com
upper flicker
or darkreader
heady spear
@woven otter u smell
upper flicker
or a sharpie
heady spear
Larry said he agrees
heady spear
larry said itttt
woven otter
no you did
woven otter
you said larry agreed
woven otter
you both smell anyways
heady spear
he said "Larry I agree with you"
heady spear
no
woven otter
im not
heady spear
hello moderators and admins please remove this user
he is insulting me
he said he was going to steal all my shoes and pee in my bed
woven otter
no actually I will pee in your shoes and steal your bed
upper flicker
can you guys not
void void
puppyyyyyyy
woven otter
z are you ok
left swift
upper flicker
wat
unkempt drift
SpaceX counting down, T-47:40
void void
what content is considered distasteful?
stiff yarrow
oh boy here we go
ancient bolt
distasteful is not up for debate
if you don't know how to engage is society than...
idk that's not our problem
it's simply just being sensitive and not being an asshole ¯_(ツ)_/¯
potent fossil
this reminds me of the completely transphobic "what topics are considered off limits" question from last week
ancient bolt
Yeah pretty much
stiff yarrow
if you wouldn't show it to your mom don't post it here more or less
potent fossil
Alright anyway good morning peeps (or afternoon I guess) I'ma go make coffee
void void
well I have made a fan art with paper and wolf, but someone may not like wolves drawing so i ask for distasteful
ancient bolt
you won't get banned for an non-malicious statement, you'll just be told to avoid it in the future
that's not even close to what distasteful means...
coarse flower
Minecraf
ancient bolt
we're talking porn, racism, sexism, nazism, gore, etc
worn ember
🍿
unique snow
causing dislike or aversion; disagreeable or unpleasant.
unreal quarry
if you wouldn't show it to your mom don't post it here more or less
That line is definitely different depending on the person... When I was 16 I asked my mom to get me some weed cause my dealer wasn't coming over.. I'm pretty sure that's beyond most people's line lmao
worn ember
lmao
unique snow
So technically if an artwork is unpleasant it would fit the criteria of distasteful.
stiff yarrow
billy I'm sure your life is one wild ride 
twin lagoon
https://www.elkarbackup.org/ @olive marlin
worn ember
"distasteful" is subjective as hell tho
unique snow
Correct.
worn ember
but its stated pretty well in the rules
unique snow
Hence why he's asking his question.
void void
Well imma just send it later anyway, i hope you will like the wolf drawing X paper fanart
it's not NSFW or nothing , actually i think it's cute 😄
worn ember
posting furry is insta ban btw 👀
void void
)=
stiff yarrow
"distasteful" is subjective as hell tho
well we aren't in the business of accommodating people with the inability to determine what distasteful is
unique snow
What if you work at an elk or deer shelter? Then the wolf part may be NSFW. 😉
worn ember
what if you are the deer?
worn ember
deer is great
left swift
Oh goodness gracious
worn ember
time to figuer out if its intellij thats fucked or my project smh
woven otter
this reminds me of the completely transphobic "what topics are considered off li...
was that the complete question?
what you quoted i mean
unique snow
Rocky Linux
upper flicker
rocky is the answer
peak dirge
fuck
upper flicker
be interesting to see if they manage to build it back up to centos levels
unique snow
Rocky Linux = CentOS.
CentOS Stream != CentOS.
left swift
Fedora
peak dirge
IBM probably just wants sweet sweet contract revenue. What, they don't get enough already?
potent fossil
was that the complete question?
I don't remember exactly, it's certainly not the full context. There were messages before and after it
unique snow
Those OS's in general are archaic.
woven otter
oh
upper flicker
you didnt think they bought redhat for the publicity did you?
potent fossil
But if you wanna read it you'll have to go track it down
woven otter
i'll try. any other context
unique snow
Use Arch/Debian based OS's.
peak dirge
Fedora is like "cutting edge RHEL" and moves much more quickly than CentOS Stream/RHEL does, and even includes features Red Hat doesn't wanna touch
potent fossil
I mean it was people complaining about pronouns and being transphobic in general. Is was about a week ago
It shouldn't be hard to find
worn ember
why is michelle not banned? his face is quite distasteful
left swift
I find ded distasteful
twin lagoon
wtf
unique snow
Doesn't Fedora still use Linux 4.x?
twin lagoon
