Time to borrow some
#general
warm anchor
untold copper
6843 members
:(
soooooooooooooooooooooooooo
everyone gone lol
ok ig I go as well, gn everyone and have a nice day/night 😄
@warm anchor
warm anchor
👍
untold copper
.g how to delete myself
limber knotBOT
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untold copper
.g no i meant how to delete myself in general
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visual egret
lol
visual egret
if you were a true programmer you would get it right first time
can i proxy geyser via cloudflare? i really cant pay tcpshield :/
limber knotBOT
huh
visual egret
i think cloudflare only does tcp too
visual egret
is bedrock too?
limber knotBOT
idk, don't see why it wouldn't be tho
visual egret
limber knotBOT
huh
visual egret
limber knotBOT
what's that plugin that allows bedrock users
visual egret
i remember when i didnt know this (https://wiki.vg/Mojang_API) existed so i tried everything to get the mojang api
what's that plugin that allows bedrock users
@craggy hareoMWM#0000 geyser
visual egret
limber knotBOT
@pop4549 so only way to slow it down is by reducing max chunk gens in paper.yml? Wondering if there's a way to slow it down more to do a "slow pregen" while my server is in the downgraded state (1GB RAM to give it time to gc n' stuff c: )
left swift
Some poor guy named rob gets pinged everytime someone tries to quote ping you robo
That's what it means it tries to find your discord tag and since ur not ur irc it pings rob
slim nymph
max chunk gens isnt a paper config anymore atm
left swift
Poor rob
left swift
I have quotes in this discord but in my friends discord I have the new reply feature
Is it just random what servers they assign it to
slim nymph
its slowbro rolling out
limber knotBOT
ya nvm it's not an option. I have a plugin that auto-substitutes in new paper stuff but that's on my other server, too lazy to put it here
auto-subs in my config options that is
left swift
👁️
limber knotBOT
so whenever I want a fresh paper config I GitHub search all my config options to see if they're still relevant and then delete paper.yml, restart, and then restart again
same with spigot.yml. Apparently I do bukkit.yml too
visual egret
can anyone help me come up with a fork name? @pale river @untold copper
pale river
I was going to use pH (paper hack) as the name of my fork
visual egret
lol
grand pewter
RoboMWM no slow currently and it works quite differently from worldborder, i recommend trying @serene bolt's WorldBorder fork and setting the fill frequency lower than the default 20, perhaps 5 or whatever works best for your server: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/worldborder-pures-fork.81706/
fallen oracle
Chunky or bust.
limber knotBOT
y forked
grand pewter
pure fixed some of the memory leaks and shit in the original WB, and original WB is also no longer maintained
limber knotBOT
at the cost of more memory usage
grand pewter
it's not as fast but if you need slow that's perfect 🙂
visual egret
make a version of paper that has all the things i use preinstalled (my code)
grand pewter
ah well give it a try anyway, pure did fix some memory issues with it
limber knotBOT
will give it a spin once my server auto downgrades
visual egret
change your xmx and xms flags 😎 robo
limber knotBOT
did u c my wonderful timing reports
grand pewter
im pretty sure hes running on a rpi or something
limber knotBOT
or report I should say
limber knotBOT
azure B series
it auto upgrades when a player attempts to join
then downgrades while ppl r off
I used to get away with 1GB ram tho
grand pewter
is the hardware actually good
limber knotBOT
then 1.14 or something came along
I'm on B2 right now, and it's smooth with chunky goin away and bluemap rendered
grand pewter
ah OK, well if you aren't having issues thats good 🙂
limber knotBOT
from b1ms and chunky last night: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=1dc8fac52fb24e65af0bcf60a66f83d4
grand pewter
the chunk gen should be on another thread anyway if you're using Paper XD
spigot is a bit more yikes
limber knotBOT
7 hour timings with chunky hackin away c:
grand pewter
how fast is it going at
limber knotBOT
it's throttled right now cuz it's used up the credits so it's 3-4 cps, I can't recall before throttle tho
(B-series is for bursts that's why)
grand pewter
oh ok so that isn't ideal
at least better than rpi XD
i was getting like 2 cps when i tried spinning up my pi
limber knotBOT
hmm, 30 or so for my generator
60+ on a flatworld before I was able to cancel it cuz that was the wrong world it was doin
grand pewter
oh yeah fabric pregenerator
pale river
I don't trust bukkit's custom worlds with a datapack to generate correctly
grand pewter
yeah, don't
pale river
So I'm generating on fabric before putting the map on bukkit with a plugin
visual egret
bruh i run my servers on a raspi with no issues rn
grand pewter
good joke 🙂
visual egret
i only started having issues on an smp server with 3+ players
grand pewter
the raspberry pi itself as a minecraft server is an issue
waxen panther
3+ players
limber knotBOT
wut iz fabric
grand pewter
its a mod loader robo, like forge
grand pewter
oh well fabric pregenerator is just some plugin for fabric XD
pale river
Fabric : Forge :: Sponge : Bukkit
limber knotBOT
bukkit or bust
visual egret
i have had about 5 players on a smaller map with no problems, i dont have more friends than that tho
pale river
I have a biome bundle earth map as my custom overworld
limber knotBOT
My printlns are suppressed for some reason when ur generator runs
idk if that's cuz of async or something else
there are no meme serburs out there
so ofc I have to make one
grand pewter
lol yeah weird, maybe use the plugin logger instead
the scheduling is async and so are the chunk loads on paper, so it's generally mostly off the main thread
limber knotBOT
I guess I should since I did end up passing the instance in anyways
grand pewter
damn end gen patch got merged
that's going to be nice
if you are going to be doing the end make sure to update cause its like 3x faster lol
but im guessing you are probably just doing your custom world
pale river
Or iTunes for nuclear weapons
visual egret
🤦♂️ my plans=ruined
void void
yeah we don't need another variation of coronavirus
glad that vmware does not allow that
visual egret
why do they put that into the ToS tho
void void
idk ask them
ashen cliff
vmware
limber knotBOT
nice
these are the sorts of things I think about whenever the topic of licensing comes up
I still don't know what to license my code with
void void
agpl 3.0
pale river
mit
limber knotBOT
like I don't wanna screw myself over if I decide to want to make sum moniez off of my codez or stuff
or have ppl use it for blatantly immoral things
minor badge
always some GPL
olive marlin
AGPL - if someone does the smallest change to your code and uses it where other have access (plugin, server, ...), they need to disclose source.
minor badge
AGPL is great
olive marlin
I always roll a Random() at it and get whatever license I get lol
true canyon
With Bukkit plugins it's always best to just be honest and go GPL (or AGPL). Plenty of opportunity to make money even with source disclosure.
ancient bolt
I always license my code under the Oracle ™️ Proprietary All Rights Reserved License
true canyon
Heck, even plugins that are freely distributing their source to everyone regardless of purchase are making money on the super cool "freemium" model as folks call it.
limber knotBOT
ya
ancient bolt
no
visual egret
does it not?
ancient bolt
that's what no means, yeah
left swift
Uwubuntu
olive marlin
It is faster, just because it has less crap installed. But then you start installing your crap, and you won't notice the difference.
slim nymph
re license, ask yourself that ifsomeone DID want to violate the gpl, and use your shit in commercial software, do you really want to sue them to remove your code or to release their source? if not, if you just want to ensure people dont take your shit and claim they wrote it, MIT is simple and relaxed
visual egret
for an mc server on low end hardware?
slim nymph
if your not willing to enforce the gpl, using gpl is kinda meh
ancient bolt
the OS you run your mc server on is irrelelvant
slim nymph
long as its not windows or freebsd*
limber knotBOT
I just want attribution so therefore I will go with a CC license <:
links to all my stuff
ancient bolt
if you're running a windows server then I have to assume you're a windows admin who can deal with shit on their own lol
slim nymph
robo, apache
limber knotBOT
must be prominent
visual egret
it takes like 5 seconds to ssh into my laptop because lagggg
slim nymph
yeah but windows has shittier performance 😛
limber knotBOT
hmm I have seen apache time to time
I should check it out
Windows Serbur best Serbur
slim nymph
apache is like mit but more trickier about disclosing changes
visual egret
and yes i am hosting on a laptop
slim nymph
requires forks to do a little bit more
limber knotBOT
like
slim nymph
.g tldr legal
crisp sapphire
Where do i find paper-1.16.3.jar?
limber knotBOT
I don't want someone to fork my stuff and then just only change the packages and nothing else
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which is what someone did one time lel
visual egret
Where do i find paper-1.16.3.jar?
@crisp sapphire api
slim nymph
well that would still be yours, they cant claim they wrote it
visual egret
@crisp sapphire https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.3/latest/download
crisp sapphire
ty
limber knotBOT
basically removed all mention of me
slim nymph
?tag add 1.16.3 https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.3/latest/download
leaden oxideBOT
No tag add found.
limber knotBOT
and then ignored mine and simple's comments
slim nymph
?help tag
leaden oxideBOT
limber knotBOT
tho I can't find it anymore so maybe he deleted it eventually
slim nymph
?tag create 1.16.1 https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.1/latest/download - Paper provides no support for this version, please use latest!
leaden oxideBOT
Tag 1.16.3 created.
olive marlin
.1.16.3
slim nymph
?tag create 1.16.1 https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.1/latest/download - Paper provides no support for this version, please use latest!
leaden oxideBOT
Tag 1.16.1 created.
slim nymph
?tag 1.16.1
leaden oxideBOT
https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.1/latest/download - Paper provides no support for this version, please use latest!
visual egret
?tag 1.16.1
ancient bolt
permissions
visual egret
permissions probably
install luckperms for discord ™️
that would be kinda cool if it existed
left swift
Hey robo is there a discord or discussion place for your plugins besides the wiki?
limber knotBOT
ya..
ashen cliff
IRC?
limber knotBOT
says right there in the wiki and moreso in the readme
if talking about GP, but it also applies for my other stuff too
limber knotBOT
IRC preferred, but dumcord exists 4 u plebs
visual egret
can someone send me a thing to get started with irc?
limber knotBOT
u also get 2 c my 1GB serbur and commands I run n trash
go to gp website/readme and click the chat URL
slim nymph
hes talking about his shit
ancient bolt
oh
visual egret
was about to create a 60gb vm on here lol
left swift
limber knotBOT
Hmm, is there a way to prevent certain plugins from loading/enabling via API
visual egret
wow i sure do love waiting
unkempt drift
hmm, an incompatible-with might be interesting to have in plugin.yml
ashen cliff
Moving partitions is always funs.
visual egret
i didnt make a backup fuckkk
limber knotBOT
I just want to prevent loading based on system it's running on cuz I'm too lazy to "make two servers"
slim nymph
well dont cancel it, but long as nothing interrupts powwer gparted usually pretty good
visual egret
ok
ok the 40gb partition is done, now i wait for the 200gb one
hmm, an
incompatible-withmight be interesting to have in plugin.yml
@unkempt drift
my plugins:
incompatible-with: *
unkempt drift
well I think you'd have an issue with people complaining about that 😆
limber knotBOT
basically I'm pretty sure bluemap's web server has prolly pushed my server over the limit
olive marlin
Does someone here use a custom ROM on their phone? I was wondering what's worth looking at.
limber knotBOT
depends on ur device
steel droid was the only ROM that made my Motorola droid work without dying
vernal moth
I feel like custom roms are only worth it to revive old devices
Or devices that get no love from oems for other reasons
limber knotBOT
stock and all others would kill the launcher and stuff
vernal moth
I haven't rooted yet alone custom Rom'd my phone in years
limber knotBOT
and then I went to Windows Phone cuz I was tired of having to tweak the device to get it to work the way I want lol, and also cuz I liked Windows 8
tweaking a PC is one thing, a phone tho is a lot more annoying. That's not to say it was all bad, I had fun turning it into a PS3 Bluetooth remote n stuff
olive marlin
I haven't received update in over a year now. Stuck on Android 9.
And SD Card support sucks on Android.
limber knotBOT
in the later days of Windows 10 mobile (and Windows Phone 8.1) MS relaxed a lot of the memory requirements/constraints for apps tho so eventually some apps started gettin annoying on Windows Phone too :/
olive marlin
Quite a few apps don't work with SD Card.
RIP Syncthing :(
vernal moth
Sd card support got better in recent android versions ^^
I don't remember the last time I had an sd card tho
limber knotBOT
yup, disabled bluemap and now my server's more responsive again
vernal moth
They changed the partition layout in 10 I think so that all apps work in sd cards
olive marlin
Apparently android 11 might have something better. But noone is sure.
modern bone
Quite a few apps don't work with SD Card.
RIP Syncthing :(
Works for me
But it broke on a friends samsung
It can get access to it's own android/data folder though
It's annoying but it works
olive marlin
Syncthing works read-only with SD card folders, aside from some hacks. And devs said they don't plan on maintaining hacks to make it "work".
They are looking into Android 11.
modern bone
It can get access to it's own android/data folder though
You can get read/write in this folder
modern bone
?
olive marlin
I have Syncthing sync folder with, I.e. my password database.
So both Syncthing and KeePass need to R/W the folder.
olive marlin
I'd need to host a server though?
modern bone
You can if you want
olive marlin
If so, that comes with security implications and need for internet access etc. Now I can have my phone offline and access all my passwords.
modern bone
Oh no it just syncs with the server, the data is stored offline
olive marlin
Still doesn't solve issues with other apps, not getting updates and the fact that I'd need to remember what app uses what folder, instead of using my layout I'm familiar with.
limber knotBOT
lol, dumcordsrv dev excluded his plugin from plugman. Too bad! My plugin shall disable u.
cunning raft
not like plugman promotes anything better than discordsrv
limber knotBOT
wut
ancient bolt
adoptopenjdk really slacking here
upper flicker
IJ was not looking so good on the M1
which I guess isnt surprising, java x64 transmulated for arm64
limber knotBOT
was not, or is not
upper flicker
is not I suppose
it runs but it looked annoying to use
we all pretty much knew java and similar VM languages was gonna be the worst
visual egret
:)
upper flicker
luckily I suspect theyll ship a version with an apple arm64 runtime within the next couple of months
limber knotBOT
yeah, that's why I think I'll wait a year for the next gen of laptops. I'm still using my 2016 MacBook for small stuff
visual egret
im thinking of getting a macbook pro since i need a laptop and am planning to get into ios dev
upper flicker
the efficiency improvements make it pretty tempting
demonwav ordered one
dont remember which model, presumably the air?
limber knotBOT
I think the air is correct
upper flicker
seems to be the way to go unless youre going to do full loads longer than about 10 minutes
which seem to be much rarer on native m1
plus no stupid touchbar
limber knotBOT
you not a touchbar fan?
I've never used it so I don't really know how I would use it
visual egret
im looking at the cheapest pro and omg its looking tempting
the touchbar, the touchpad
the screen
and the apple ecosystem
limber knotBOT
the glorious ecosystem indeed :)
visual egret
even transferring from an old iphone to a new one amazes me
its all done wirelessly and stuff
through a sick ass qr code
ashen cliff
Daily reminder why I love Java: https://posili.me/i/2020-11-19_23-55-59.webm
ancient bolt
and once the JVM releases for it that'll cover a lot of shit
ancient bolt
@upper flicker yeah the air
will report back how it is
it'll be my SO's machine but I'll play with it a little
upper flicker
the jvm
visual egret
how do i install virtualbox on linux using apt?
i tried sudo apt-get install virtualbox-6.1
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package virtualbox-6.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package 'virtualbox-6.1' has no installation candidate
and electron is supposedly not great
well specifically with this, not in general
(but also in general)
ancient bolt
I'm sure chromium will have a release soon enough
upper flicker
and yes machine_maker, I have one, it's fine, but I'd rather it wasnt there
ancient bolt
maybe electron has some other dependencies
I don't mind the touchbar
don't really care either way though
limber knotBOT
you need the touch bar for the fingerprint thing to right? I kinda would want that
ancient bolt
the air won't have a touchbar and I don't think you'll lose anything from it
olive marlin
@visual egret do apt-cache search virtualbox or apropos virtualbox iirc, it should tell you what you can use to install it.
ancient bolt
touchid is a separate button
limber knotBOT
oh it does? I thought that was part of the touchbar.. hmm
upper flicker
on the pros its part of the same design but its a separate button
viral hornet
Do you ever wake up to something really broken
so you just want to drink gin and pass out
upper flicker
on the airs they just make it look more like another separate button
no
usually it takes at least a few hours for that feeling
viral hornet
I woke up to one of my servers just f u c k e d
granted it has been a few hours, so maybe it's time for morning drinking yayyy
visual egret
youtube doesent understand that im trying to install virtualbox on ubuntu, not ubuntu on virtualbox
upper flicker
sudo apt install virtualbox virtualbox-ext-pack
visual egret
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Abort.
oskar@OskarsPC-Ubuntu:~$
``` bash 1000iq momentThat might be apt rather than bash
do not remember it requiring case sensitivity
do remember fedora's dnf requiring it though, but clearly thats not apt
twin lagoon
🥺
wise isle
Anyone wonna force me to learn java gui programming do it now
Give me one reason why its good and I will learn ether awt or fx
golden gust
it's ass
But, given the other cross platform options, you're stuck between "use a web browser", and some 3rd party cross platform library which missing gaps here and there
xamarim forms is the only real "cross platform" option which looked remotely viable, but, then you're in C# land
wise isle
Exactly nothing positive
golden gust
it's the most sane option if you want something that's actually cross platform
wise isle
Well spring is cool ngl but
golden gust
in general, it has all the same fallbacks of other GUI libraries, but, at least it's cross platform
wise isle
ok now decide AWT or FX
golden gust
fx
wise isle
golden gust
fx is basically a pretty layer over awt and whatever the other dated gui stuff
forgot it's name, swing?
wise isle
something like that
they skipped gui programming in uni all together and went to web
so i feal like i missed on something
Fx seams nice
you dont need a gui designer
golden gust
I think I used FX for like one statistics assignment
Well, on my CS course
"mek some pretti charts", basically
wise isle
But seams like FX was made in the era where they taught XML is the futre
golden gust
Most UI frameworks that I've seen which aren't hardcoded are purely XML based, seems to be the best way to go about it
wise isle
well not like we use xhtml in web dev
golden gust
scenebuilder also exists, but, I had some issues getting it to work all the time
potent fossil
xhtml 
wise isle
nah i like the pure code experience, seen my friend has to make office word like program for his final exam from oop on another uni
with pure code no designers
potent fossil
I mean, that doesn't really sound too terrible
Assuming it doesn't have to be that feature packed
wise isle
It has to have as much features as possible
potent fossil
I mean all the text formatting should be easy enough
wise isle
what about pictures my friend
wise isle
Exactly
potent fossil
But, like, you can get quite a few "easy" features down
wise isle
mail feature is eazy javax.mail is there
preview is eazy too
although not sure about printing (never tried to do it from java lol)
potent fossil
java.awt.print
wise isle
it must be fx
potent fossil
You just have to build the graphics object
wise isle
thats the catch
potent fossil
javafx.print
wise isle
well i am looking to practice databases with javafx this january since there is nothing better to do
potent fossil
javafx databases?
wise isle
database enabled apps with javafx
potent fossil
oh ok lol
golden gust
fx is almost just a pretty wrapper for jwt
wise isle
cool name for awt, should have called it jwt
golden gust
anything jwt can do, fx can do, and there are some cases where you may just need to use awt
potent fossil
JSON WEB TOKENS
wise isle
Well i think he told me fx cant send notifications as good as awt
potent fossil
i need more coffee to write this stupid speech
wise isle
whats it about
i had 2 (5 is the maximum) in high school from writing so i cant help lol I sucked so badly
potent fossil
It's a persuasive speech
I'm just going to talk about why everyone should know basic code to help automate tedious tasks and the benefits it can bring
Should be an easy topic. I was going to talk about why everyone should have financial independence and a good understanding of personal finance but I don't want to think
Last speech of the semester, then I can focus on all my other shit that's due 
golden gust
Might I make a suggestion?
potent fossil
Is it constructive
potent fossil
I've already done that five times
worn ember
Today?
jolly spire
if mojang were to kill off java edition the modding community would add the features that mojang does to bedrock and way more at a faster pace
just a hypothetical, prob wont happen
unkempt drift
yeah, maybe, but it wouldn't be cross platform then
not sure how I'd install mods on my iPhone for example
vernal moth
As much as I like javafx, build native desktop application feels so 2005 when there's Vue available
not sure how I'd install mods on my iPhone for example
Death to the app store monopoly!
potent fossil
not sure how I'd install mods on my iPhone for example
@unkempt drift in-app purchases
vernal moth
The Apple Way (tm)
Where free apps get threatened to be banned if they don't add IAP
Gooooood times
unkempt drift
Yeah... pretty sure Apple is in the right over that whole thing.
They do indeed have a monopoly on products they make.
vernal moth
Legally? Maybe, that it's getting tested right now
Morally? Hell fucking no
In case ppl don't believe my rambling
unkempt drift
And the free market takes care of moral issues.
vernal moth
Ah yes, the famous market that regulates everything
Until it doesn't anymore
Idk, we will see what the trail will bring
You can see how uncomfortable apple is about it, didn't they just drop their apple tax for small devs?
unkempt drift
Hey, if enough people don’t like that enough, then Apple will have to change. There are 100% alternatives to using Apple products. Just ask literally anyone who doesn’t use Apple products
vernal moth
Completely contradicting their level playing field argument?
golden gust
apple doesn't allow you offering off-site payments for anything because mah apple tax
unkempt drift
I’d be curious of the revenue breakdown at their “small dev” cutoff.
unkempt drift
Does like 95% of their App Store revenue come from “big devs”
golden gust
No, they have donation buttons or something
vernal moth
It was kinda like that jake, ye
I saw it on some post that this cut is insignificant for them
golden gust
unkempt drift
Yeah, there is no indication they are losing. In fact, judging by the replies to Tim Sweeney’s tweets, he’s losing
But that’s hardly a legal tool to use 😛
vernal moth
Fanboys are jumping on him for holding fortnite hostage
unkempt drift
Yeah, that’s what I took from the tweets as well
vernal moth
Neither he nor I care, he's fighting for the greater good
Idk, just compare this to the Microsoft browser thing. Microsoft was forced to advertise other browsers, I don't see how this is any different to the app store
Anyways, us discussing this will not change a thing, the judges will speak
vernal moth
Tim clearly is in it for the long run
cunning raft
not really fighting for the greater good, they're fighting to outlaw walled gardens
vernal moth
Which is the greater good, no?
unkempt drift
Yeah, that’ll be a result if epic wins.
Nintendo will have to open up their platform
Etc.
cunning raft
outlawing walled gardens isn't a good thing
vernal moth
Why not?
waxen panther
i need gentoo on my iphone now!!!
vernal moth
Why shouldn't I as a owner of a device be installing whatever software I want?
cunning raft
your smart toaster shouldn't be forced to allow fortnite run on it
and this isn't about being able to install what you want on it
unkempt drift
You can install whatever you want. Apple doesn’t need to provide tools for you to do that.
vernal moth
That's such a dum argument
golden gust
There are a handful of arguments each way
cunning raft
that's something that may be a good argument
vernal moth
Apple actively blocks me tho
cunning raft
allowing for sideloading
golden gust
I think apple should allow it, but with a huge "you are risking the security of your device and we are not responisible for anything moronic you induce in doing so"
cunning raft
that would be a good outcome mini yes
vernal moth
Since it also allows 3rd party app stores that way
cunning raft
but epic's lawsuit it claiming that IAP is an illegal tie in with iOS
golden gust
But, even android is limited in what you can do, e.g. you root and you lose access to android pay
cunning raft
which is not how monopolies work
cunning raft
all is
waxen panther
free devices r cool but all my homies hate epic
cunning raft
I'll bet 5k on epic losing all counts
unkempt drift
I think a big misconception about monopolies is that they are not illegal.
cunning raft
^
vernal moth
@golden gust not if you are good at rooting ;)
unkempt drift
Using monopoly power to squash others is.
But a company isn’t penalized if you just offer a better product so no one else can compete
And in this case, I don’t think apps on an iPhone, qualifies as a separate market.
vernal moth
Which is what apple is doing. I loled so hard at the fact that apple software doesn't go thru the apple firewall api that all antivirus apps on macs have to use, and that that fact is getting exploited by viruses 😂
golden gust
Well, yea, but you do that and you're in the exact same realms of essentially jailbreaking requiring 3rd party roms and magisk
vernal moth
That's what the judge will have to decide
golden gust
they have a walled off system
golden gust
People choose to buy into that system on both sides
vernal moth
That's also not how monoloplies work
cunning raft
payment processing on iOS isn't a market that can be classified as a monopoly
golden gust
It's not forced that companies pay apple or use the payment APIs they offer
vernal moth
You don't need a majority in a global market to have a monopoly in one sector
cunning raft
it's too specific
golden gust
Just, if you wanna take advantage of apples walled off garden, you gotta
cunning raft
if you go that specific anything can be a monopoly
unkempt drift
But no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone. It’s not the only smart phone.
cunning raft
^
golden gust
as ass as that is, it's their platform and their processes are what aim to keep it safe and secure and provide a good user experience
unkempt drift
So you aren’t forced into apples App Store.
vernal moth
The fact that apple is coupling everything together is the issue here. I as a developer want to use the product app store, without using the product apple pay
I don't want to have apple handle my payments, so they shouldn't force me to
cunning raft
you don't get to do that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
apple can do whatever they want on their platform
unkempt drift
If you don’t want Apple to handle them, don’t use their stuff
golden gust
But, how else will apple get their tax?
cunning raft
and should be allowed to
vernal moth
They already charge me as a developer for the app store
cunning raft
if a company wants to build a walled garden and tailored experience they should be allowed to
golden gust
I mean, which pays for what, a handful of staff hours to review your apps?
vernal moth
If that isn't enough they should raise it?
golden gust
Then you price more people out, and people bitch further
unkempt drift
If Apple is charging too much, app devs will stop making apps for that platform and they’ll disappear
vernal moth
Nah ppl have to make ios apps
cunning raft
nobody is forced to
vernal moth
Users expect that
unkempt drift
It makes sense to make them cause there are a ton of users
golden gust
user expectation means nothing
I mean, to companies it does, and that's why they pay it
coarse lily
They just dropped the percentage to 15% for most folks too.
golden gust
But, like, nothing says that as a starting up company you have to support iOS
Heck, create a mobile web app
coarse lily
But yeah iPhone are less than 20% of the global market.
vernal moth
Idk, we will see what the lawsuits will bring
And what the EU has to say about all of this
golden gust
But, proper integration offers a much better UE, for the users of their devices AND the businesses making the apps, etc
vernal moth
If your americans can't figure this out
cunning raft
telling you that based off US caselaw, this will not go in epic's favor
golden gust
No reason uber can't just be a standard web page app
cunning raft
and if the EU goes in favor of Epic, they're objectively stupid
vernal moth
Again, I dont see how this is different to the browser war
golden gust
it's the EU, they want to ban encryption...
vernal moth
Say the dude from the UK that tried to ban porn ;)
golden gust
it makes sense of some levels
golden gust
It's moron as anybody who really wants to do something online can do it
But, just
Who wants to buy a remote island somewhere?
vernal moth
Well, as makes banning (and the proposal wouldn't even ban) encryption. It makes sense on some levels, but is incredibly stupid on others
cunning raft
regulating encryption in any sense
coarse lily
How does it make sense?
vernal moth
I can 100% understand the frustration law enforcement has when being threatened by domestic terrorism and not being able to police properly cause they can't even read the text messages of the phone they have physically in their hand
But they will have to suck it up and find a better way
Cause you can't ban simple math
cunning raft
well you can
coarse lily
You CAN
cunning raft
but the problem is
coarse lily
Haha
cunning raft
terrorist's will find a way around it
golden gust
I mean, it's on platforms to require it
All it needs is somebody to create some open source app that people can just grab from somewhere and we're back to where we started
vernal moth
Don't the US still ban exporting encryption to china?
vernal moth
Heh, nice read
The quote from 1997 is still relevant, today more than ever
That shirt is so nice too
I saw somebody wearing that at a CCC before
Ppl also tatooed that perl script
toxic pagoda
Hi, a stupid question. But does mysqldump stall ongoing connections? And if so, how do I create backups without stalling things?
coarse lily
It does by default
But there’s a flag to not lock on dump
Although it depends on if you’re using innodb or myisam
coarse lily
It’ll work with innodb
But I suggest doing some research.
If your db has a lot of data then you may want to change the approach. A lot of it depends.
mySQL is pretty robust but if you have important data you want to make sure you know what you doing before trying stuff.
Or you could hose your db
golden gust
blocking is the only safe way to ensure consistency when creating a backup
coarse lily
That too.
toxic pagoda
Blocking?
golden gust
well, locking
toxic pagoda
So, closing all connections basically?
toxic pagoda
Ah alright. Cause my issue was that at a certain time (00:00) every day mysql conncetions would fail and one plugin would stall the main thread. And "coincidentally" that's the same time I run automatic backups so im hoping that's my issue. But I'll definitely look into improving my auto backups. Ty :)
limber knotBOT
worldborder wuz ok but eh. gonna try butchering chunky now with a nice sleep
void void
how many radius we talking about Robo
void void
dafuq
limber knotBOT
go big or go home
toxic pagoda
Well the server would stop responding, not naming any names but mcmmo
golden gust
yea, mcMMO's database stuff is dumb
golden gust
yes, but no real effect right now
limber knotBOT
does vanilla's return true?
toxic pagoda
Can't say I know much about it, but other databases seems to manage just fine with a few errors
But ty once again
golden gust
Well, isParallelCapable is a CB thing because mah legacy
world-gen in general is bound to a single thread
limber knotBOT
was it ever parallel capable
golden gust
no
limber knotBOT
nice
golden gust
That's all basically on the hopes that mojang eventually increases the number of threads able to do generation
red lintel
any asian?
coarse lily
What
red lintel
just wondering
coarse lily
O.o
limber knotBOT
well, I can also modify the semaphore count value
idk how much that'll do tho, since the async calls are probably queued anyways, but I guess it'll at least slow down what's queued up
prolly will need to stick a sleep in there anyway
golden gust
that would likely induce weeks of catching down concurrency issues
serene bolt
world gen 
limber knotBOT
concurrency issues? Sounds like PERFORMANCE
coarse lily
Top lad.
limber knotBOT
every line
limber knotBOT
does it now
limber knotBOT
I didn't think they'd be that sophisticated
coarse lily
Just like Worldgen
slim nymph
well world gen is multi threaded atm
slim nymph
yes
thread per world, then another thread per world for light
so uses up to 2 cores per world
slim nymph
yeah not happening w/o mojang
coarse lily
You can’t make a sweater with only 6 threads.
Why should you make a Minecraft server with only 6 threads?
slim nymph
you have to regionize the world to achieveconcurrency per world
serene bolt
concurrency issues everywhere!
slim nymph
even then that gets finicky as it likes to mutate shared state on world
slim nymph
so even if you solve ensuring 2 chunks arent concurrently generating next to each other with overlapping neighbors, still tons of other things to solve
but that first one is hard on its own
potent fossil
Has nvidia fixed their issue with the newer linux kernel yet? I've been putting off upgrading but now I really need to update stuff lol.
slim nymph
what the fuck man, yall seen this 8yr old pakistan rapper? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRFtOhpkdM
kid be killing shit
(not literally)
limber knotBOT
hmm, sleep is workin
well, putting in a sleep (and increasing tenure to 6, but the 60 second sleep I'm sure was more significant) at least avoided oldgen gc https://timings.aikar.co/?id=9647af62257140048445fafaf134ed45
gotta make it sleep longer
slim nymph
robo if just pregenning, increase the min/max neew gen up a good bit to like 60 min 80 max
just dont forget to revert the flags for normal play
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=30 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=40
those 2
limber knotBOT
mk
slim nymph
thatll give even more to eden, slow down GC rate, allow it to let more die w/o copying
the fact your young pause times is growing a lot tells me a lot is surviving, and the memory is simply lasting around 1 minute in age
limber knotBOT
what's the effect if I leave it in for normal play?
slim nymph
leaves very little room for old gen lol
mc needs more old gen in 1.15+ so i had to adjust those values lower in my recommendations
limber knotBOT
huh, what sort of stuff stays in memory now?
limber knotBOT
I c
slim nymph
so its better to try to keep them out of oldgen
note just casue it says old gen 0 doesnt mean its not using old gen or cleaning it
seeeing an old gen GC is a critical point, means the incremental cleaning couldnt keep up and it had to engage emergency mode
thats what you call a "Full GC"
limber knotBOT
ya I figured, but if 0 full gc then it's not as bad as those with them
pushing up to 70 90 good? basically gonna make it so it pregens (slowly) while VM is at 1GB state
don't know if it really needs much oldgen if nobody will be on it at that state
limber knotBOT
chunky #1
limber knotBOT
ya trying out the kewl new kidz's stuff
chunky basically does all of its logic in an async thread
puremin's worldborder fork does do chunk loads async but the rest of the logic is still sync
chunky also does some concentric something which I guess better accounts for neighbors than worldborder's spiral which loads inner neighbors
seems 70 90 is a little too much, it froze on mcmmo, and after taking out mcmmo it took 330 seconds to start up lol
gonna back off and try the original 60 80 suggestion
serene bolt
chunky is the superior choice
limber knotBOT
3 old gen full gcs and we've just started, yup I went too big https://timings.aikar.co/?id=af8fec58b6074ff38943847af45c2ae0
void void
I want to post something but have no idea if its bannable, who can I pm to verify it is or isn't
zealous wedge
wat
limber knotBOT
wuts bannable
zealous wedge
if you think it's bannable it probably isn't a good idea to post
limber knotBOT
besides words that are somehow offensive yet not vulgar
never gonna understand that one
golden gust
.bh
limber knotBOT
is getting out the ban hammer! ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ Ò╭╮Ó
zealous wedge
oh my, that's a long hammer 😳
short yarrow
So if I have a static variable in a class like private static final SomeObject objectMapper = new SomeObject(). If the class will be used in different threads, then does SomeObject have to be thread-safe right since multiple classes will be using the same instance or will it not matter?
golden gust
Well, if something is accessing data from an object from multiple threads, you need to determine the risks of data desync's
zealous wedge
statics are not thread-local, this isn't D
waxen panther
it's E
worn pasture
to the L-I-C-I-O-U-S
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
hmm, idk if the oldgen modifications worked that well aikar (this is with chunky now doing one chunk per 5 minutes - tho the vanilla generator is prolly doing extra stuff for structures n such, which I may end up disabling in the generator) https://timings.aikar.co/?id=4c6882d4346e49d4b3e3af72bae54040
at least for 1GB, prolly would work better if I allocate more
coarse lily
What's oldgen? I think I don't know a lot about chunk generation.
limber knotBOT
he was recommending I increase young gen or whatever a few hours ago here
coarse lily
Yeah I could see GC tweaks impacting chunk generation
limber knotBOT
but don't think a 1GB VM (which means squeezing about 600MB for server) is enough to squeeze much out of it
worn pasture
bye
potent fossil
upbeat kelp
nvm
viral hornet
@worn pasture will gladly help you
worn pasture
maybe try taking them off
mossy vessel
Camm 
coarse lily
That's an HTML issue, not just CSS.
Oh wait
I thought that was a page with HTML spitting out on it
@untold copper I thought you were getting a better name? Do you have a codepen?
potent fossil
yeah we told him to last time so i was just waiting for it
untold copper
@coarse lily i don't have a codepen, as its a TON of files on a live site and idk from where all the code is coming from
coarse lily
Sounds like a nightmare.
untold copper
it is
potent fossil
the point of codepen is to make a minimal reproduction, not to reproduce the entire project inside of it
copy the requisite html and css only into codepen
coarse lily
The "square" isn't really a square.
You set background color and the image is too small inside the bounding box.
untold copper
You set background color and the image is too small inside the bounding box.
wha?
coarse lily
Make the height and width bigger and see if that fixes it.
coarse lily
But yeah that can mess with it if the parent container isn't the correct size.
untold copper
if im doing object-fit:contain
then its taking it not as a rectangle
but as a square image
it should just put it like that, without touching anything
coarse lily
Without having access to the code I can't really help any further.
mighty storm
Damn, was exploring one of my old Minecraft PE worlds, probably Played on that world for years, never knowing I'd log off for the last time. Exploring it all but barely remembering anything is sad.
untold copper
:c
mighty storm
When times were simpler...
untold copper
@coarse lily
line 140
line 268 for store logo
object-fit: contain; not working
open with simple notepad
Idk how to make a codepen for this thats why im sending file
coarse lily
Maybe yank the class off it and see if that fixes it. Hard to know what styles that's applying.
Honestly there's a lot of stuff that could behaving an impact on that page/image and just having the one static file vs being able to see it in a browser or all the files isn't super helpful
potent fossil
untold copper
what you want me to send here 👀 👀 👀
minor badge
@potent fossil uwu
untold copper
ok 👀
coarse lily
The image is square.
Which is why it's being funky.
shrug
@untold copper I'll send you a bill for my time. :)
(Kidding)
waxen panther
@minor badge !
twin lagoon
awa
minor badge
😳
waxen panther
i want to move to norway but i'll settle for the norwegian-lite
waxen panther
fine w me 
potent fossil
@coarse lily you should actually send him a bill
coarse lily
That would be mean.
I did tell him I could only help the once.
I ain't doing random non-side project web work for free.
Spend all damn day doing it as it is now.
I kinda want to move to Norway.
minor badge
i currently live in norway, please abort your mission ,,,,
untold copper
imagine living in norway
coarse lily
I can't move anywhere right now.
untold copper
that would be neat
coarse lily
Basically no one will let me in with my passport because my country is dumb.
untold copper
which is your country
coarse lily
The United States.
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-norway/ -- US Relations With Norway: "Oct 10, 2019 ... The United States established diplomatic relations with Norway in 1905, following Norway's separation from its union with Sweden...."
potent fossil
because we're dirty nasty covid spreaders
untold copper
oh rn
coarse lily
Norway and the US normally have good relations.
Yeah.
It's the whole pandemic thing.
minor badge
if you can present a negative test, youll be let in
untold copper
makes sense lol
coarse lily
Oh really?
minor badge
yup
untold copper
Doubtful much
minor badge
quarantined though
coarse lily
Yeah.
untold copper
norway is norway
minor badge
72h old at most
vestal jasper
dude every time I have to type out "coding" to seem more approachable instead of "programming" I die a little inside
coarse lily
Haha
untold copper
¯_(ツ)_/¯
potent fossil
i had to type coding more than one time for my speech tomorrow
and i have to speak it
untold copper
both are equally scary
coarse lily
I never liked "coding".
I met a dude once who gave me his business card and his title was "hacker"
potent fossil
also @vestal jasper
||coders||
untold copper
xd
coarse lily
I just couldn't take him seriuosl.
vestal jasper
I never say "coding" unless I'm talking to someone who isn't into software
untold copper
coding nub word kek
vernal moth
I call myself a hacker often
coarse lily
I sometimes say I'm hacking on stuff.
But I never call myself a hacker.
It's kinda like calling yourself cool.
When you do it you become uncool.
vestal jasper
Yeah I go with "devving" or "working on X"
coarse lily
Yeah "working on" is better.
vernal moth
Not in the "I hack computers" meaning, but in the original "I hack problems" meaning
coarse lily
More often than not I say "computer shit" to people who aren't tech savvy.
vernal moth
Devving ist so dum
vestal jasper
"working on plugins", "working on a desktop app"
coarse lily
Because they don't really care.
vernal moth
Say developing or programming
vestal jasper
"doing some dev work"
vernal moth
Also nothing wrong with coding
vestal jasper
yeah I just never find myself naturally saying it
coarse lily
Nothing inherently wrong with it.
I remember when everyone switched from saying "programmer" to "coder"
And it was a weird time.
vestal jasper
nothing inherently wrong I just feel weird using it lol
coarse lily
I dislike the "software engineer" thing, too. But, again. I'm old.
Most "software engineers" are barely writing software, let alone doing any type of engineering.
vernal moth
Software engineer is my official title
vestal jasper
I say SE when I wanna feel like I'm writing important things but in reality I just make mc mods
vernal moth
Writing software is engineering
vernal moth
It is by definition in germany
vestal jasper
a person who designs, builds, or maintains engines, machines, or public works.
coarse lily
Ah in Germany it may be different.
waxen panther
yeah bro, i hack 😎
vernal moth
I am officially allowed to call myself an engineer
coarse lily
But there may be a qualification for a degree in Germany to call yourself an engineer.
vestal jasper
design and build (a machine or structure).
vernal moth
Oh yes, need a bachelor of science
coarse lily
In the US you used to need an engineering degree to call yourself an engineer.
Now people take a CSS class and write some CSS and call themselves software engineers.
#GetOffMyLawn
waxen panther
i will consider programming an engineering of sorts
vestal jasper
I live in the US and I see job postings calling for software engineers and I know fully well they don't mean the bridge type
waxen panther
well it's not like a bachelor is a particularly high level degree lol
coarse lily
I think a lot of proper programming is engineering in a lot of ways.
vernal moth
Idk, I don't care about elitism anyways
coarse lily
And I definitely don't think you need a degree.
waxen panther
doesn't affect me
coarse lily
And, yeah, call yourself whatever you want.
Ultimately it doesn't matter.
It just feels forced sometimes.
vernal moth
Call yourself what ever your want, it's up to the employer to find out what you can, based on your qualifications and a job interview
waxen panther
at the end of the day none of us will ever be as smart as terry davis so who really cares
coarse lily
Terry Davis is an interesting reference.
vernal moth
Do I want tho?
I don't want to be overly smart
Even without being overly smart I am already in a unique position at work, and it's rather annoying sometimes
ancient bolt
The day my job title became "data engineer" is the day my linkedin connection requests became more annoying than minecraft