general

[mighty storm]

That's a lot

[ashen cliff]

Over 1 minute.

I still don't get why they allowed people to buy more then 1.

But hey, stores got money.

This time they were even forbidden from jacking up the price.

They could still do that.

In out case, they all got sold internally and are now getting flipped on the only market place we know of... Facebook.

Can't even imagine what kind of pain warranty must be in that case.

O yeah, I got this console from eBay for 1500€, now it's broken.

Or better yet, just sell the broken one for 1500€ on eBay and run.

[slim nymph]

https://www.troyhunt.com/inside-the-cit0day-breach-collection/ hmm

new load into HIBP

[austere ivy]

the fact that spigot doesn't let you change the default permission message is so dumb

[limber knot]

ya I don't ping unless I rly want an answer.

[austere ivy]

do you think there's any chance that they might merge it upstream if we ask very nicely?

[limber knot]

I'll go find the response, in the meantime, it really does look like chunky is making my server cry anyways. https://timings.aikar.co/?id=1dc8fac52fb24e65af0bcf60a66f83d4

[cunning raft]

do you think there's any chance that they might merge it upstream if we ask very nicely?
n

o

[limber knot]

pretty impressive 7 hour timings don't you think?

.log

[ashen cliff]

Working as expected.

[limber knot]

hmm, tuinity has some lighting changes eh hmmmmmmmmm

if it has a way to ez auto update I might switch this serbur 2 dat

[slim nymph]

the fuck is wrong with your server robo

[limber knot]

chunky doin worldgen to radius 20000

[slim nymph]

Max Memory 1520MB

[limber knot]

on an azure b1ms

[slim nymph]

oh, thats whats wrong

[limber knot]

2gb vm 1 core

[slim nymph]

dude you need like 4g+ min for world gen lol

Ive crashed 4g on worldgen before

[upbeat kelp]

Wat I am using 3g

[slim nymph]

well your playing it risky then if your letting players gen chunks 😛

[upbeat kelp]

Does making players gen chunks cause lag?

[slim nymph]

if players travel fast through unlloaded with a decently high view distance, it uses so much memory

[limber knot]

it's supposed to downsize back to 1GB VM after an hour of no players being on but since that's a tick based schedule it hasn't gotten to it yet I think lol

[upbeat kelp]

Oh

[slim nymph]

its just the amount of memory

you can run the process out

[golden gust]

timingcost: 261
version: 5.4.0-1031-azure
cpu: 1

[limber knot]

doesn't your player no go into unloaded chunk stop that

or is it not enough

[slim nymph]

also yeah worldgen is multi threaded, so benefits from at least 1 more core for a single world

[limber knot]

I'm pretty sure the VM may be throttled too at this point lol

[slim nymph]

3 wont make much diff if all your doing is pregen though

[limber knot]

yup throttled, tho it's reaccumulating credits now interestingly

[slim nymph]

-XX:MaxTenuringThreshold=6

set that to 4 if all your doing is pregen

err i was gonna suggest 6 then typed 4 lol

but forgot to edit

6 wont hurt though

your having a ton of memory promote to old gen

[upbeat kelp]

Mines even potato

So what does old gen do

[slim nymph]

its the bucket for old memory, but its heavier to clean up

so having garbage end up in that is bad

[upbeat kelp]

Oh ty

[slim nymph]

garbage isnt meant to go into old, but if your conditions are critical like robo has going on here, it can end up there

[upbeat kelp]

Oh I get it now

[slim nymph]

tje -XX:MaxTenuringThreshold= setting controls how many "rounds" its allowed to live before it goes to Old Gen

my base recommendation is 1 so it only gets 1 cycle and if it hits 2 cycles it goes to old

[golden gust]

GC stats are accurate

GC is what pauses the JVM, which makes the actual data in timings sketchy, but, GC stats are reliable

(assuming you're not using one of those dumb modern collectors which lie)

[upbeat kelp]

Wtf that must be a jokr

That's the worst case scenario

[limber knot]

timings r real, server's a joke

[fallen jungle]

Java was a mistake

[upbeat kelp]

Lmao

Damn

[slim nymph]

hes pregenning he said, worldgen is HUGE on memory

as i said i literally crashed my dev server at 3-4gb memory flying in spectator mode by myself

[limber knot]

chunky

[unkempt drift]

barty, yesterday we had a guy who had timings % in the 1000s. had a 1.4 ghz cpu, and 1 gb of ram.

[upbeat kelp]

Oh yeah I remember that guy

[limber knot]

oh don't worry

I'll get a new worldgen with a B1 (1gb 1core)

whenever I decide to do another dimension

[upbeat kelp]

I have 2.10ghz cpu and 3gb allocated somehow it didn't drop tps

[limber knot]

or change my generator settings

[upbeat kelp]

I feel bad

But it's on 40% load

[limber knot]

they do

[fallen jungle]

Has anybody experimented with this? https://openjdk.java.net/jeps/333

[upbeat kelp]

What's that

Oh ok

[limber knot]

they know how to manage themselves with work

they take breaks

[golden gust]

ZGC is literally stupid for mc

[upbeat kelp]

Agreed

[golden gust]

"Oh, hey, lets pause threads when memory pressure gets high"

Guess which thread causes the most memory pressure? :L

[fallen jungle]

Oof

[olive marlin]

I know Billy uses ZGC, and you can find quite a bit of information from his messages here.

[golden gust]

Basically, it's a mixed bag

[olive marlin]

I even linked it like a day or 2 ago because someone asked.

[golden gust]

if you have fast hardware enough enough ram to keep it happy it can work

[slim nymph]

the issue is you have no guarantee ZGC is working ok for you unless you look at GC logs

timings cant tell you when its going bad

[golden gust]

But there is a lot of play in balancing memory and hardware there that really, "good luck"

[slim nymph]

becasue ZGC lies to you

I dont know yet about shen though, havent seen any data on it

but even if PAUSE times are tolerable, there is still always a question about CPU usage too

your paying for that low latency somehow

if you got a ton of unused cpu resources that may be ok for you though

[fallen jungle]

Would be interesting to see the number of objects allocated per second on a medium-size MC server

[upbeat kelp]

Hmm

Oui

[slim nymph]

but from what ive seen, ZGC is not viable for most servers, itll mainly be usable for people with dedicated machines who have plenty of unused resources

[limber knot]

See barty, the CPU knows how to manage his effort in a sustainable way c: https://techfortress.azurewebsites.net/ApplicationFrameHost_2020-11-19_08-55-19.png

[olive marlin]

But if you have a lot of spare resources, why not use it for MC instead of wasting it for GC?

[slim nymph]

but most servers are running budget < 8GB mem

[olive marlin]

Or just downgrade hardware and pay less.

[slim nymph]

well mc wont use it all lol

[olive marlin]

Yeah.

[slim nymph]

well most dedis come with a ton of memory now, and 8 cores

or more

[olive marlin]

That's fair. But then I'd assume there isn't just a single small server on them.

[slim nymph]

while a small/med server might have high cpu needs, itll never get enough concurrency to use 8 cores

downgrading hardware can mean weaker power and loss of tps

really?

damn lol

[golden gust]

it's a balance

[upbeat kelp]

Have you tried giving it absurdly low memory

[golden gust]

throwing a fuckton of memory at it means that it's got more to churn through when it hits "oh shit" state

[slim nymph]

wtf stalls at 60gb?!

was that -Xms 60Gb?

[ashen cliff]

How TF do you even?

Can't get 16Gb to stall on a 50/60 player server personally.

Tho I did got to great lengths to remove nasty plugins.

[slim nymph]

it depends what players are doing to impact allocation rates

not purely based on count

20 players genning chunks is gonna be worse than 80 players building

survival then asks, farms or no farms, how many farms, type of farms

[upbeat kelp]

3 is too low tbh

[ashen cliff]

Or a plugin infinitely reading achievement data.

Or better yet, a plugin that loads all data from CoreProtect to calculate xray percentage per player.

[upbeat kelp]

[cunning raft]

tuinity been here since 1.13 barty

wut u on

[ashen cliff]

Drugs. G1.

[cunning raft]

granted, didn't do shit till 1.14

Concrete

[upbeat kelp]

Lol

[cunning raft]

well 1.14 was so beyond fucked

[limber knot]

has it ever had any serious issues (i.e. corrupting chunks or stuff)?

other than upstream

[ashen cliff]

Less than Paper.

[limber knot]

like due to the fork itself

not due to upstream

[ashen cliff]

Only light issues way back.

Didn't notice other issues myself.

[limber knot]

server has not responded for 1488 seconds creating thread dump, nice

[ashen cliff]

Welcome to the club.

Just disable the watchdog.

[limber knot]

I'd like to have something external just kill the thread if it's not responding but idk what to do for that

[unkempt drift]

how long is leaf muted here for? it was a longgg time right?

[limber knot]

o hey a chunky printout https://techfortress.azurewebsites.net/cmd_2020-11-19_09-08-54.png

[upbeat kelp]

LOL

[fallen jungle]

How big world?

[limber knot]

did a 20,000 radius

idk if that's blocks or chunks

[fallen jungle]

lol

[unkempt drift]

um...

[limber knot]

but imma zap this server now

[unkempt drift]

a 20000 radius is gonna take like years right?

[upbeat kelp]

waht

[limber knot]

normal -t amplified

[ashen cliff]

Just upgrade/expand the machine.

[upbeat kelp]

You need a Ryzen 9 5950X

To complete fast

[limber knot]

this is the generator https://github.com/MLG-Fortress/MountainDewritoes/blob/master/src/main/java/me/robomwm/MountainDewritoes/SurvivalGenerator.java

[upbeat kelp]

Use chunky nerd

[limber knot]

basically combining generators based on region location

ikr

my meme variable names are in wildernesstp

[upbeat kelp]

Lenny face

[limber knot]

PR

[upbeat kelp]

Bonk

[limber knot]

ever since I took PR 43 and 44 it hurts me too now

[ashen cliff]

Just run it thru an obfuscator and PR those names.
iIiIiIiIiIiiIiIiIiiiililililiiIiIiI.lili.ilili.aaabab.baba.a

[limber knot]

.b wildernesstp GitHub 43

(RoboMWM) **https://github.com/AcmeProject/WildernessTp/pull/43/files**: "Improvements & better support for EndAbovOverworld #43": "Changelog Write the existing permissions in plugin.yml Add dynamic permission to use /wild [world] Add permission to be exempt of charges (global or per world) Add autocompletion to commands When ..."

you may want to remove the "files" part to just get the description: https://github.com/AcmeProject/WildernessTp/pull/43

44 is worse

lol

[upbeat kelp]

GitHub robomwm

[ashen cliff]

Needs to be longer.

[limber knot]

and then he went inactive shortly after the bugs appeared. He sent some patch files in spigot forums. Like, why :c

[fallen jungle]

boolean isInCooldown(UUID youyouEyeDee, WorldConfig yabadabadoo, Trigger tirelipimpon) {

[unkempt drift]

when is discord gonna add "stories"? I hear its the new thing...

[limber knot]

give it 2-3 years

[minor badge]

sounds dumb

[limber knot]

wow ableist

[twin lagoon]

[limber knot]

idk if the bluemap dev is here but y save worlds in onEnable and before multiverse

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/dquDT8P.png
hardfork when

[warm anchor]

https://minidigger.github.io/paperstats/1.16.html

is that for all version?

[golden gust]

1.16

[vernal moth]

It clearly says 1.16, lol

[warm anchor]

no I mean Duck's pic sorry lol

[golden gust]

oh, yea, probs

Well, yea, 100%

that's global stats probably

[vernal moth]

That chart is still not accurate too

Notice how my site tracks 62k paper servers whole that one has 48k

It relies on a new chart type not everyone sends

[warm anchor]

[vernal moth]

My site uses bstats too, but fetches data differently

It's basically absolute numbers of bukkit servers on 1.16 minus absolute numbers of paper servers on 1.16

[warm anchor]

oh I see so yours is most up-to-date

[vernal moth]

Ye

Until everybody is on latest bstats version

And well, mine only looks at 1.16

Whole global is all versions

Cause we don't care about

[minor badge]

@twin lagoon awa

[warm anchor]

xD

[twin lagoon]

awa

[woven otter]

nice nice

[slim nymph]

brisket and eggs, lunch for kings

[heavy beacon]

idk if the bluemap dev is here but y save worlds in onEnable and before multiverse
@ RoboMWM hi :p
force saving before loading to make sure the level.dat is available .. i didn't notice it would save before multiverse tho?

[limber knot]

if u r blue, who is bluely

[heavy beacon]

not me :D

[vernal moth]

Bluemap made by blue, I see you are of the creative kind too 😂

• looks at all his projects prefixed with mini *

[limber knot]

so before loading ur onEnable logic basically

[heavy beacon]

ya sure :D

[limber knot]

can it not be delegated to after server start?

[near wolf]

Does paper break a lot of technical farms/redstone?

[heavy beacon]

let me check..

[limber knot]

I think dynmap delegates loading to after server start but I can't recall

[vernal moth]

Does paper break a lot of technical farms/redstone?
@near wolf if they rely on exploits thats a possibility

other than that, you gotta test

[near wolf]

@near wolf if they rely on exploits thats a possibility
@vernal moth Alr I dont really do that kind of thing ok thanks

[vernal moth]

we try not to obviously, but generally performance for 99% of servers is more important than 1% of obscure technical contraptions that rely on internals that could change at any time

looking at you, hash code of blocks to force load chunks

[near wolf]

Alright

[heavy beacon]

okay, i'll consider moving bluemaps loading to after the server started .. i actually thought it would be there already tbh :D
but code says otherwise xD (me confused)

[vernal moth]

anybody encountered this before on a gradle project? https://i.imgur.com/AO7WaJp.png

[coarse lily]

@craggy hareoMWM how's Bluemap comparatively so far?

[vernal moth]

RoboMWM ^

[limber knot]

well

right now

[cunning raft]

yes mini

[limber knot]

if you saw my timings a couple hours ago

[cunning raft]

my solution was to delete gradle caches, .gradle folder, .idea folder, and resync

[vernal moth]

yey

ill try that later, thanks

[slim nymph]

that sounds like harsher than rebooting windows

[cunning raft]

lmao idk what causes it but that's fixed it for me before

[spare venture]

very cool concept though

[vernal moth]

for now looking at handling some paper PRs instead

[slim nymph]

hey i reviewed some, so got some ready for yall to merge 😛

[vernal moth]

yeah I saw

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-desc+review%3Aapproved

[coarse lily]

I didn't see the timings, Robo

[vernal moth]

plenty to go thru 😄

[coarse lily]

I just saw you were looking at it

[limber knot]

I did look at the configs, very minimal, though I did glaze over the map render stuff

I had 7 hour timings c:

but that was chunky generating a map on my 2GB VM

so I haven't seen a map yet, I just downsized back down to 1GB too lol

[heavy beacon]

you wont have much fun with bluemap on one core and 1GB ram .. 😅

[coarse lily]

Haha what's it looking for?

[vernal moth]

so it turns out, I managed to buy a "smart" light bulp from ikea, without considering that it needs a remote and/or gateway 😂

so now I spend 20 euro on a multi color dimmable light bulb, that is just set to one color 😂

[left swift]

Fancy

[visual egret]

🇫

[mossy vessel]

Don't you have one of those philipps hue systems?

[vernal moth]

nah

[left swift]

Dont those type of lightbulbs have apps you can install on ur phone

[twin lagoon]

the ikea smart lights work with zigbee

[limber knot]

he don't run no stream so he don't need no colors

[twin lagoon]

yes but there are smart lights that don't use wifi @left swift

and need a bridge to interact with them

and then you can use an app

[left swift]

Rip

[vernal moth]

This is what my light situation is like 😂 😂

[left swift]

Oh no

[vernal moth]

These I brought yesterday

[left swift]

That's the worst color of them all

[mossy vessel]

Yeah, those smart bulbs are pretty expensive, especially with colors

[twin lagoon]

the IKEA bulbs are very good actually

not too expensive either

[vernal moth]

so you mean better buy a zigbee controller thingy than an ikea gateway?

[twin lagoon]

smart bulbs don't have to be expensive either

the ikea gateways are zigbee controllers

[vernal moth]

and it looks like I need a remote to link the bulb to the gateway 😂

are they good controllers or should I buy smth else?

[left swift]

Gotta spend more money now you've already come this fsr

[twin lagoon]

they're fine

[meager tusk]

[left swift]

Do the whole apartment

[vernal moth]

yeah am commited now, lmao

[twin lagoon]

smart lighting is the only smarthome thing i'd do

[mossy vessel]

the IKEA bulbs are very good actually
How much are they 👀

[twin lagoon]

no fucking clue if you want cheap lighting just get yeelights

they run over wifi, no hub necessary, $15 or something

[vernal moth]

my dad is obsessed with smart home

the bulb did cost 20 euro

[twin lagoon]

yeah the bulbs are cheap compared to hue

just need a hub

[vernal moth]

but thats multi color and dimmable

[mossy vessel]

Oh ok, mine weren't much more either

[vernal moth]

the hub is 20 euro too

ill just buy a hub and remote and see what will happen 😂

[left swift]

It will turn on the TV instead

[twin lagoon]

iirc you don't need the remote but it's probably like 8 euros anyways

[vernal moth]

9.75 ye

kek

[mossy vessel]

Yeah, the hub was pretty expensive

[limber knot]

led's are ok in high use areas, incandescent everywhere else for best lite

[vernal moth]

it will arrive in 3 weeks

fuck dis shit

guess I need to drive there again

[mossy vessel]

Over the past years I replaced all my light bulbs with hue stuff lol

[vernal moth]

how the fuck do they take 3 weeks to ship?

[twin lagoon]

could also go for the DIY / more advanced home automation route

raspberry pi + zigbee controller

[vernal moth]

if I order it into the store its there tomorrow, kek

I got an old Pi here

[left swift]

It takes 2 and half weeks to find it in the warehouse first

[twin lagoon]

.g domoticz

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.domoticz.com/ -- Domoticz: "Domoticz is a Home Automation System that lets you monitor and configure various devices like: Lights, Switches, various sensors/meters like..."

[twin lagoon]

you'd basically throw that on a pi

and buy some usb zigbee controller

[vernal moth]

that UI looks ugleh

[twin lagoon]

probably not worth it though if you don't plan on doing too much home automation

since a zigbee usb dongle is like 50 eur

[vernal moth]

holy

[worn ember]

no u

[twin lagoon]

yeah zigbee stuff is fucking stupidly expensive

that's why i stick to wifi shit like the xiaomi yeelights

[worn ember]

you can easily do that yourself

Yeetlights

[vernal moth]

I mean, 20 euro for that bulb wasnt expensive

[slim nymph]

@twin lagoon alarm system and AC/Heat are good too lol, unless your worried about people haxing you to disable alarm

but yeah i recently upgraded to smart, its nice

[twin lagoon]

don't have an alarm system

[slim nymph]

i just bought a nest thermostat

[twin lagoon]

don't know anyone with an alarm / security system

[slim nymph]

you know me!

[twin lagoon]

we do have a smart AC system

but that was free anyways

[slim nymph]

but while i pay for monitoring, alarm systems more for "get the gun" pre warning 😛

[twin lagoon]

guns

crime rate

[worn ember]

kek

[slim nymph]

the hell is that

[golden gust]

scratch home automation

[vernal moth]

my dad build up a nice system at home, all doors and windows have contacts, most of the heaters have thingies, some wall plugs have thingies, all shutters, etc

[worn ember]

yes

[slim nymph]

oh its fake?

[worn ember]

no its not fake

[slim nymph]

i thought that was some real system using scratch llol

[vernal moth]

so when I did open my window in my room, the heater would go out

[unkempt drift]

wait, you can use scratch to program smart home stuff?

[worn ember]

its one of the screenshots on domoticz website

[unkempt drift]

that's hilarious

[vernal moth]

there is a open source lib by msft (?) to implement scratch like interfaces ontop of js and other languages

[golden gust]

it's block programming

[vernal moth]

its pretty cool

[twin lagoon]

block programming would be very nice to have for home automation though

[golden gust]

scratch is just the "goto" gag for that

[worn ember]

ur all block programmers

[twin lagoon]

visualizing that is a lot better than reading through some janky code

[vernal moth]

sorry, google

https://developers.google.com/blockly

[slim nymph]

i have a ghetto custom circuit board garage door opener but i cant link it to google home

[golden gust]

psh, ladder programming sounds more fun

[unkempt drift]

yeah, it makes it simple. chances are you don't need something super complex for your home

[slim nymph]

it uses Blynk to talk to it

[worn ember]

make your own google home too

[vernal moth]

aikar, ITTT + webhook worked great for me

[slim nymph]

yeah thats what people did for blynk

but now IFTTT isnt free lol

[vernal moth]

its not?

[slim nymph]

they just changed plans a few weeks ago

[twin lagoon]

IFTTT went downhill anyways

[vernal moth]

fuckers

I bet you can do webhook to google assistant yourself easily with the sdk

https://developers.google.com/assistant/conversational/webhooks

[slim nymph]

i wonder if any of the other tons of services supports it

but yeah i had a setup i did to make an even simpler on/off url for me, that i had automated w/ Tasker before

[untold copper]

hi guys im asleep :D

jk lol

[left swift]

Who

[slim nymph]

I automated closing garage door as i left house if i forgot it lol

[untold copper]

i got fever today

im sick now :c

[left swift]

Hi sick

[untold copper]

hi

[twin lagoon]

he has 'rona take em out

[worn ember]

thats sick

[slim nymph]

but fun story, I had an if conditional in there that says dont send signal if my car is in the garage, using geofence/wifi etc

i had that conditional inverted....

[untold copper]

ooF

thats sick

[slim nymph]

shit came down right as i was backing up to leave

[worn ember]

good job

[untold copper]

smart boi

[slim nymph]

put a nice scratch in top

and damaged the garage door

[untold copper]

which car u got aikar

[slim nymph]

mazda cx5

[left swift]

One with wheels

Sometimes

[untold copper]

oh yea

[worn ember]

id hope so

[untold copper]

i got one of those too

[slim nymph]

im a mazda loyalist 😛

i went from 6 -> 3 -> CX5 -> CX5 -> CX5

[worn ember]

im a no car loyalist

[untold copper]

my dad got one of these

[twin lagoon]

"i got one of those too"

shows completely different car

[slim nymph]

cx5 has good gas mileage but suv feel

[worn ember]

read again michelle

[ashen cliff]

Imagine not driving a Volvo.

[left swift]

Michel cant read

[unkempt drift]

apparently no one can spell Michael either

[untold copper]

xD

[unkempt drift]

🙂

[left swift]

Mitchell

[unkempt drift]

not a big fan of the ae letter combo. always looked weird to me

[untold copper]

yea same :/

[left swift]

Æ

[limber knot]

just add a u and an o, and you've got all the vowels

[unkempt drift]

wow. just forget ALL about y

[limber knot]

ahem, do you buy y as a vowel on wheel of fortune

didn't think so

[unkempt drift]

can't think of a good retort about the type of people who watch wheel of fortune...

[limber knot]

you watch????

[unkempt drift]

no I don't

[left swift]

I would like the solve the puzzle please

[limber knot]

you mean you don't play the game???

on wii xbox and ps3

[unkempt drift]

no

[left swift]

I mean robo is on irc

[limber knot]

fully voice acted goodness

[left swift]

Of course robo watches wheel of fortune

And price is right

[limber knot]

nah I play, even better. Don't have that game though yet

[unkempt drift]

only gameshow I ever watched was jeopardy!

[limber knot]

jeopardy's fun

[unkempt drift]

requires actual skill

[untold copper]

whats jeopardy!

[limber knot]

one of the few things that supports wii speak

[untold copper]

I've heard of it

[left swift]

Scripted

[untold copper]

but I've never seen it

[limber knot]

which I found out it was terrible for, BUT you can record reactions that play in-game which is fantastic

[unkempt drift]

This gameshow recently had its star host die of pancreatic cancer.

[limber knot]

ya

[unkempt drift]

What is... Jeopardy!?

[limber knot]

and the new jeopardy game is terrible

[left swift]

It was always terrible

[limber knot]

(not talking about the show if anyone's wondering)

ok I tried to reduce the jvm heap to avoid hitting swap so much in this VM and now I get OOMs ugh

[left swift]

Ooms more like oops

Thank you to today's sponsor

Norton

[limber knot]

one of the many server ping messages I have

no

do u not know the antivirus

[left swift]

For extra protection I use Norton avg and pccleaner

[unkempt drift]

nah, today's sponsor is Raid Shadow Legends

[untold copper]

xDD

[limber knot]

(had to look it up, protegent is what it was lol)

[untold copper]

sooo then

Robo hru today :D

[unreal pike]

How much memory should I reserve for OS?

[limber knot]

https://youtu.be/g2PrHAI1icQ

[untold copper]

depends on the OS

[left swift]

Atleast this many

[unreal pike]

ububtu 16.04

[untold copper]

1-2GB

[left swift]

Sometimes this many

[fickle rain]

headless?

[unreal pike]

thanks

[left swift]

Red shadow maggots

Lol

[twin lagoon]

@minor badge @mossy vessel @mental meadow

[minor badge]

awa

@mossy vessel xx

[untold copper]

uwu

[left swift]

Daily uwu farms

[mental meadow]

uwu

❤️

[left swift]

It's like snap streaks but more public and gross

[limpid comet]

don't diss tf2

it's trying its best

[left swift]

Yeah just diss tf2 comp

[limpid comet]

3k here :p

[mossy vessel]

michael 👀

[left swift]

Matchel

[limpid comet]

Does DHL have a big Europe presence?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[limpid comet]

ok thanms

explains why it's being shilled so hard by ESL

[twin lagoon]

wat

[left swift]

Lol

Esl dhl moment of the day win a dhl mystery box

[topaz mortar]

Guess DHL is sponsoring the ESL?

[ashen cliff]

Anyway here want to sponsor a LanParty event?

[slim nymph]

lan party sponsored by corona

[upper flicker]

🍻

[worn ember]

Get a free rona with every cough

[quasi valley]

and drink some good corona beer with it

for double the amount of corona

[mossy vessel]

ima join you Z

[ashen cliff]

But the government said there is no such thing as Corona and we don't have to worry about it anymore.

[upper flicker]

we gotta ping camm too remember nmf

@viral hornet

we're going

[twin lagoon]

@viral hornet cunt

kenny you fucking cunt i'll call camm a cunt whenever i want to cunt

[upper flicker]

can you not

[twin lagoon]

[woven otter]

this is paper 2.0 guys no c word

[twin lagoon]

i thought it was r word only

[quasi valley]

croissant?

🥐

[ashen cliff]

I personally give Michael a pass on that one...

[twin lagoon]

wtf is shadbase

[ashen cliff]

Google it.

Like Myles did.

[twin lagoon]

oh

camm what the fuck

[quasi valley]

sounds good enough for me not to google it

[ashen cliff]

Don't worry, he died inside instantly.

[twin lagoon]

no not camm krusic you too wtf

[woven otter]

wtf

[ashen cliff]

I'm just there for #wild-west and for the pokemon bot.

Well. There used to be a Pokemon bot... sad.

[mossy vessel]

isnt camm asleep or so

[twin lagoon]

camm never sleeps well

he's up at 5am his time

[mossy vessel]

o

That's early

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2020-11-19_20-06-32.png

Bruh.

[coarse lily]

Dropbox wants to do a lot of weird stuff these days.

[vernal moth]

for inviting ppl to your dropbox

[coarse lily]

I'm starting to think it's jumped the shark.

[limber knot]

alright went ahead and went up to 4GB 2 core for a while and wow I didn't know this was rotatable 3d

bluemap that is

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/7263cbca7743e4f9b8a6fb1df71d0776dab9e08f

mfw I forgot to move a patch

good bot

[untold copper]

wait

is intelli the core protect dude?

[fallen oracle]

Is it National PR Merge Day?

[untold copper]

...?

[vernal moth]

gotta abuse the fact that proxi has no pc right now so I can get some merges in 😄

[fallen oracle]

LOL

Yes, he is, Sick.

Whatcha merging next, Mini?

[vernal moth]

#4158

[minor badge]

technically I still have my extremely underpowered laptop

[fallen oracle]

Ooo, that's a good one.

[untold copper]

ohK

where you at proxi

[minor badge]

home

just working on packing everything lol

[golden gust]

god dangit

[untold copper]

where you going to o.O

[golden gust]

I thought we'd lost her

I was so happy 😦

[untold copper]

XD

[minor badge]

moving :p

[untold copper]

ooooh

pro tip: unpack your bed first

makes the first night a lot easier

you don't have to borrow dang pillows from your new neighbors

[minor badge]

noo, i'm just buying a new one over there lol

[untold copper]

oH

[minor badge]

way too far to bring a bed lol

[untold copper]

bring some form of bed XD

trust me you won't regret it

[minor badge]

I'm bringing blankets; don't really have much better

[untold copper]

inflatable matress lol

[minor badge]

meh, i'll be fine

home of ikea after all

[untold copper]

gl lol

oh right

ikea

[golden gust]

cheap crappy swedish furniture

[untold copper]

another thing we dont have here 😦

we don't have walmart either

or elmer's

or kia

[golden gust]

We have a few in the UK, just, spread apart a fair distance

[untold copper]

dAng it india has nothing

[golden gust]

Just go light a shit-brick

[untold copper]

thats a thing in rural areas no joke

[golden gust]

I know, my besti's a pakistani by heritage and still has family over there

[untold copper]

houses are made out of shit bricks 😂

[golden gust]

Not india, but, it's that region in general

Who knows, maybe the government will sort their shit out and start helping those communities

[untold copper]

yea, after we get over the damn corruption

[golden gust]

My mate's father paid one of the guards to let her pose with one of their guns for a picture lol

[untold copper]

the whole government runs on corruption "lol"

[golden gust]

pretty much

[untold copper]

anD

[golden gust]

also heard stories of her being pulled over, paid a "fine" and they went on with their way

[untold copper]

only like 1% actually pay taxes

[cunning raft]

getting ready for MS accounts

[minor badge]

i dont see the diff wat

[cunning raft]

top left

[minor badge]

jroy/oskar: that's like nothing

it's a single line

[limber knot]

pruning

dumcord

[cunning raft]

yes proxi

[untold copper]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[minor badge]

why is my jroy dumb

😠

[cunning raft]

i want to return this proxi

product defective

https://i.imgur.com/SLFTU6q.png

[cunning raft]

interesting

[untold copper]

uwu

[cunning raft]

https://i.imgur.com/gE1fxtS.png

idk if this is new

[vernal moth]

it is jroy

since minecraft is finally getting parental controls now, gotta mark versions that dont support that

legal reasons and stuff

[visual egret]

[untold copper]

imagine having parental control

[cunning raft]

oh you can add an MS account now

[visual egret]

no it wont

[cunning raft]

well

for now

[vernal moth]

mojang cant detect that yet

[cunning raft]

what's your point

^

[vernal moth]

and this falls under 3rd party servers anyways

thats legally cleared too

[visual egret]

arent plugins sent via query?

[vernal moth]

mojang has no responsibility for 3rd party

[untold copper]

so realms..?

[cunning raft]

what do you mean

"so realms"

[untold copper]

so mojang will moderate realms?

[cunning raft]

[vernal moth]

pretty sure they do already

[cunning raft]

why would playerbase drop barty

[vernal moth]

modded ppl use 3rd party launchers anyways

[cunning raft]

99% of parents do not give a fuck

[untold copper]

thats.. not true

[cunning raft]

and the warning parents see are already in 1.15.2

[vernal moth]

99% of parents will never see the MC launcher

[cunning raft]

^

[limber knot]

warnings scare parents haha

[untold copper]

xD now THAT is true lol

[limber knot]

dum parents give kids phones before they're a teen

[untold copper]

yes

my cousin

is 9

[limber knot]

babies tablets

[untold copper]

has iphone 7

[minor badge]

DumboMWM

[untold copper]

• ipad

im 14

[golden gust]

You live in india

[untold copper]

dont have a nokia

[golden gust]

it's more about flashing cash than "responsible"

[untold copper]

yes cat i do?

wdym -.-

[visual egret]

i had an iphone 4s since i was 8 and omg that thing got me into programming

[untold copper]

ah yes, the 4s was a gr8 iphone

thicc as a brick

:P

[golden gust]

I mean, I'm joking, but my mates basically said that a lot of people in their communities tend to flash off all the cash they got

[untold copper]

don't they everywhere XDDDD

[visual egret]

then my parents upgraded me to a 5s

[untold copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw2Jpvv379c

just dropped

[limber knot]

depends on the kid, most kids tho just use it as pure entertainment

sometimes it leads to that tho

[untold copper]

almost every other kid my age i know

has some form of a phone

or some portable device with a screen

[golden gust]

though, having a phone is basically essential over there, especially as your mates could be a fair distance away and all that

[visual egret]

• as they should

[untold copper]

i don't get why you would want to give a 13 year old an iphone

its... quite distracting frankly

[slim nymph]

its more about security these days

[limber knot]

see, the answer is windows phone

[golden gust]

need a phone, might as well have something flashy

[untold copper]

need a phone, just get a nokia

[golden gust]

See, I was thinking, windows phone would be awesome

[slim nymph]

and social status.

[golden gust]

cheap

nothing like snapchat cares about it, etc

[limber knot]

it was 2nd in a lot of places

[slim nymph]

forcing a kid to use a nokia with no smart capabilities is good way to get them to resent you

[limber knot]

then MS did a ton of weird directions and it died

[golden gust]

most chat services use the internet anyways

[untold copper]

its a decent way to avoid distractions as well

and not "forcing"

[limber knot]

lol

[untold copper]

"forcing" doesn't come here lol

[cunning raft]

RCS master race

[slim nymph]

you can parent well and ensure child does their work in better ways than depriving them of a mobile device

[untold copper]

huh

ok i guess

[limber knot]

ya, use a computer

[slim nymph]

now, if you wanna debate low end smart phone vs high end, yeah a kid can fucking survive on the 50$ budget android

[limber knot]

other than communication, not really much you can be productive on a mobile device.

[slim nymph]

but depriving of any 'smart phone' is pretty mean

[untold copper]

"depriving"

EXACTLY why you wouldn't want to get a phone

phone = social media

= stuff

= might not be good

= much stress + distractions

[slim nymph]

as much as i hate it, there is a degree of suck it up in dealing with kids social tendencies

[visual egret]

about iphones and androids, honestly let your child choose between an android and an iphone, see if they want the nicer one (personally) but have to wait longer to upgrade to a newer one or get an android and upgrade a year later tbh

[limber knot]

I've seen and experience absolutely 0 for what device one would own in school

[cunning raft]

i mean you're talking in a dystopia but if you want your kid to have a social life it's probably best to give them a phone

[slim nymph]

@visual egret cant choose if your poor lol

iphones expensive

[fallen oracle]

Mini, are you also doing 4738 today?

[visual egret]

i guess yeah but im assuming middle class

[untold copper]

does having snapchat/facebook qualify as "social life?"

[quasi valley]

any modern "mainstream" phone is expensive now

[cunning raft]

for some kids yes snipa

[slim nymph]

but seriously android is just as good as iphone on the core features. they can gtfo on "has to be iphone"

[visual egret]

@quasi valley ya heard of inflation

[quasi valley]

yeah it basically doesn't matter what you choose, but if you choose one side, you will likely stay with that forever 😂

[vernal moth]

Mini, are you also doing 4738 today?
@fallen oracle mmmh, not sure am feeling advantageous 😄

[golden gust]

they're both just modern apps for communication

[slim nymph]

put a case on a phone and noones gonna know if its 100$ vs 500$

[cunning raft]

lol @visual egret it's not just inflation

[untold copper]

lol hard to argue with that

[pale river]

You can tell with the camera lens

[untold copper]

yes

[visual egret]

yeah obviouly @cunning raft

[pale river]

The more cameras the richer you are

[untold copper]

more camera = more swag XDDD

[golden gust]

SMS is dead among the younger generation

[visual egret]

but its a contributer

[untold copper]

yeS

[slim nymph]

oh well, they can get over that and tell them that android is a superior OS and that they are lame for using an iphone

[untold copper]

i agreE

android is gr8

[limber knot]

ah yes, platform wars

[pale river]

I use discord among my friends. My snapchat has been dead for months.

[untold copper]

but so is iphone

[slim nymph]

do i really gotta tell discord google is safe

[untold copper]

whatsapp bishes

[golden gust]

I don't know anybody who uses discord who isn't in the gamer squad

[visual egret]

SMS is okay, but people dont like paying extra for images

[untold copper]

hm

[cunning raft]

Aikar: yes for the pheonix's of the world

[slim nymph]

who the hell pays for images?

what plan charges you/

[golden gust]

mms

[untold copper]

literally every

[slim nymph]

ive never paid for mms

[visual egret]

idk every thing ive ever used

in poland and england

[slim nymph]

used sprint before, but now google

[cunning raft]

in the US SMS, MMS, and calls are free (not billed per text/minute) pretty much everywhere

[golden gust]

Well, MMS was pretty popular in the states afaik

[limber knot]

prepaid all the way

[visual egret]

my sms is unlimited but not mms

[golden gust]

MMS over here was basically never a thing

[untold copper]

heh

[visual egret]

you pay like 2p for a picture

[slim nymph]

well RCS is coming so MMS and SMS can be replaced

[limber knot]

I used to get by with $10 for 2 years

[golden gust]

Like, maybe you'd send the odd pic, but, it was never included in plans, so nobody really bothered with it

[visual egret]

bruh

[slim nymph]

multimedia attachments

[visual egret]

[cunning raft]

Multi-Media Service iirc

[limber knot]

then lycamobile finally killed their paygo

[golden gust]

But, phones capable of mms where crappy anyways, so no real pro to sending them over just emailing them

[sand epoch]

btw minecraft (client) is probably never gonna run natively on apple silicon since opengl is only enabled for apps emulated by rosetta

[slim nymph]

well email is then data, dunno why they dont just treat mms as data

[golden gust]

and by the time phones got good enough for that, smart phones where coming into play, so people just used some form of IM service

[pale river]

Java edition will have to run on rosetta?

[limber knot]

MMS is treated as data

[sand epoch]

java will eventually run natively

yes java edition will have to run on rosetta

[cunning raft]

MMS is used when you have texts over 250+ chars, use subject lines, or use priority singlas

or send images too

[pale river]

Makes sense, apple loves their proprietary graphics API

Metal or whatever they call it

[cunning raft]

sms is literally just text and some metadata

[visual egret]

finally they added a text box to the playstation server selector

[golden gust]

I don't really know many apps which use openGL tbqh

Well, a few games, but, they're rip'd anyways

[slim nymph]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-rcs-messaging/

looks like RCS is getting active for many

[visual egret]

🧠

[pale river]

Group chats in texting are painful

[cunning raft]

some phones don't automatically switch

depends on the app

also Aikar: google says they're testing E2E with RCS now

[golden gust]

I mean, all phones I know will just split the message over multiple texts if you go over the limit

[cunning raft]

weird

[visual egret]

I mean, all phones I know will just split the message over multiple texts if you go over the limit
@golden gust really? i didnt know

[slim nymph]

im still holding onto Google Hangouts lol 😭

[fallen oracle]

^^^

I use that to talk to family still

[untold copper]

same

[slim nymph]

but they are about to force kill it i think

[untold copper]

same

[slim nymph]

I mean even for SMS, i like having all messages in 1 app

[untold copper]

google hangouts was neat tho

[visual egret]

@slim nymph google meet ™️

[untold copper]

no that sucks

[slim nymph]

? no im not using meet lol

[untold copper]

it downright sucks

[slim nymph]

meet is for video

[cunning raft]

Google Allo

oh wait

[slim nymph]

allo got killed 😭

[visual egret]

arent they killing hangouts?

[cunning raft]

soon ™️

[untold copper]

they did ™️

[visual egret]

and doing a different thing

[slim nymph]

for sms yeah

[visual egret]

oh

[pale river]

Google Photos unlimited storage was killed

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4738/files#diff-56ca4c1b4ec7203191d7200444323f8744aafa0b37dcc42ab6fb0f93ce0e91e5R62

[limber knot]

as long as I get free phone calls it's remains the only worthwhile google service

[untold copper]

oh damn

[slim nymph]

i think sms is dead already for non fi users

[vernal moth]

is it worth to keep indentation here?

[untold copper]

that was actually a neat thing

I have a google plus account :D

[slim nymph]

but i havent heard that email based communication ie what you can do in gmail would be killed

[untold copper]

100GB drive storage :D

[visual egret]

paper has parents? 🥺

[slim nymph]

no you dont, plus died and was reborn as a business only thing 😛

[quasi valley]

this site is still too great https://killedbygoogle.com/

[untold copper]

wait whaT

[quasi valley]

every single introductory part is different 😂

[slim nymph]

they killed plus off ages ago

[untold copper]

then... what is my 100GB of drive space called D:

[slim nymph]

but i saw something about them reviving the code to compete with Workplace

thats just your google accounts storage

[fallen oracle]

Rip cloud print

[slim nymph]

Plus was a social network

[untold copper]

oh................

OH RIGHT

right right right

my bad lol

[slim nymph]

oh so even the email based messaging is going too?

well, i dont think i even really have anyone i communicate w/ that on anyways, just hangouts app was good if i did get a message over it

[untold copper]

YES aikar

[slim nymph]

i still use sms for everyone

[untold copper]

i have a gsuite account :D

[fallen oracle]

Rip Fabric 😦

[waxen panther]

Angular is being abandoned? Finally

[slim nymph]

only person i ever talked to on Allo when i tried it was Lax, and that was a horrible expereince

we communicated in memes/images

[pale river]

I'm surprised chrome remote desktop is still alive

[visual egret]

im like SMS? and they go WhatsApp!

[slim nymph]

no one i know uses whatsapp that im awar eof

[untold copper]

ooF

[pale river]

I still don't have a WhatsApp and no one cares.

[slim nymph]

ive never used it

[untold copper]

bruh EVERYONE uses whatsapp

literally. ever. single. person.

™️

[visual egret]

where do you live????

[pale river]

I don't know any of my friends who use whatsapp or facebook.

[untold copper]

india

[visual egret]

lol everyone has whatsapp

[fallen oracle]

Dang, G+ was killed already over a year ago?

Feels like just recently.

[quasi valley]

it just depends where you live lol. in some places people use it, in some people don't

[coarse lily]

WhatsApp is so unpopular inside the US for some reason

[quasi valley]

if your friends all use telegram, you dont need WA

[limber knot]

ya nobody I know uses whatsapp

[untold copper]

oh i remember this

got destroyed by PayTM

[quasi valley]

I still use WhatsApp because I can't stand Telegram

but that's basically the two means of communication I use, + discord

[mossy vessel]

telegram

[visual egret]

bruh if i asked people about SMS vs WhatsApp some of them probably be confused about what sms is...

[pale river]

I remember Google Expeditions, when Google came to the science classroom I was a student in and did a virtual fieldtrip

[slim nymph]

AngularJS is Angular 1, Angular 2 was moved to Microsoft IIRc and thats not being dropped

Angular 2 was a completely redesign so it wasnt an upgrade, it was a full rewrite

[fallen oracle]

[visual egret]

lolllll

[slim nymph]

so i guess they maintained 1 still for a while

[untold copper]

lel

[visual egret]

is chrome remote desktop better than anydesk?

[pale river]

I use RealVNC instead for some reason, I forgot why

[untold copper]

guys is it just me who spams dyno with links i might use someday because I'm too lazy to store them anywhere else?????

[slim nymph]

or facebook

[pale river]

High school students don't like facebook

[quasi valley]

I was surprised how often people facetime in the us when I met some relatives there

literally have never seen a single person do that here even once (instead using skype, whatsapp or whatever, even when everyone is using iphones)

[visual egret]

the ports for vnc are blocked by the place that i remote into my pc from even tho they say im allowed to remote in

me who doesent have snapchat

[pale river]

I only will support snapchat because it is not facebook.

[fallen oracle]

I guess Mini was feeling advantageous today after-all.

[quasi valley]

I uninstalled it because it looks like it's made by facebook anyways

[fallen oracle]

Why am I being attacked? I didn't do anything.

[vernal moth]

if that breaks end generation on some obscure setup I blame you glare

we all have that one friend that sends 100 snaps a day

[fallen oracle]

Mini can I also declare the next PR to be merged today too then? I'm on a roll.

[visual egret]

facebook bad but omg oculus is 🔥

[vernal moth]

what should I look at? 😄

[pale river]

Oculus requires you to use a facebook account

[visual egret]

thats why i have a fb account

but i never use it

[pale river]

I have 749 snap score over 6 years of having snapchat

[vernal moth]

prime open source: https://i.imgur.com/CxWcyPs.png

4 ppl collaborating on one commit

[quasi valley]

you should just do it like md and manually merge most things

[fallen oracle]

Trying to find ones that are already approved by core. If you can do non-core ones, I think https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4767 would be great to do next.

[vernal moth]

I cant merge without core approval

[fallen oracle]

Yeah, then we might be SOL.

[vernal moth]

I can review it tho

[fallen oracle]

I've cut back a lot recently. This week has been the most mentally taxing week I think I've had in my life so far.

[pale river]

I average 0.34 messages a day

[fallen oracle]

Ahh, I didn't break any of them, except for this one girl I've been talking to, made me mad, not in the mood to deal with her.

[pale river]

Snapchat is just too low quality for me

[fallen oracle]

Though I can't really break some of my streaks. The grind has been too much.

[untold copper]

iMaGiNe HaViNg A gIrL tO tAlK tO

[fallen oracle]

Just checked my longest streak, 4.61 years.

[untold copper]

what streak

which streak

[fallen oracle]

Snapchat

[untold copper]

whats a snapchat streak

[warm anchor]

That sentence gives me stress when I read it

[fallen oracle]

It's like the amount of days you've consecutively talked to someone back and forth on Snapchat.

[untold copper]

Just checked my longest streak, 4.61 years.
@warm anchor what this? :P

ah ok

[warm anchor]

Yes

Lol

[untold copper]

NO

i meant to quote "iMaGiNe HaViNg A gIrL tO tAlK tO"

im dum ;-;

[fallen oracle]

Why do you assume I'm talking to girls on Snapchat?

[warm anchor]

But that’s the one I am stressed about

[untold copper]

ok bai gn all that rot

[slim nymph]

i dont get you people and snapchat lol

[untold copper]

lets hope i dont have a fever in the morning

[slim nymph]

ive never even used it

[warm anchor]

I can’t think of anything that is urgent enough for me to talk to people daily

Maybe that’s just me

Lol

[untold copper]

it is just you :P

[warm anchor]

Aikar boomer alert

[fallen oracle]

It's basically my form of texting Aikar, cause a lot of people I work with / talk to / have met over the years can't text internationally.

[slim nymph]

Open messages > select person > send msg

[untold copper]

smart

or wut

[fallen oracle]

Doesn't cost me like $1 / message to text overseas.

[slim nymph]

fine use whatsapp then lol

[warm anchor]

What if you have bad hair day glare

[untold copper]

technically im texting "overseas" rn lol

[fallen oracle]

See I use Snapchat as you would WhatsApp for long-distance stuff.

[slim nymph]

it just feels weird to choose an app thats base purpose is to send nudes

[untold copper]

ooF

lol

[warm anchor]

Lol

[fallen oracle]

O.o

[visual egret]

thinking of making my own paper fork...

[fallen oracle]

Interesting statement, but, okay.

[slim nymph]

what do you think snapchat was originally used for?

[pale river]

I can help name your paper fork

[slim nymph]

sending whats up statements that delete themselves?

[fallen oracle]

I guess I never really considered that.

[untold copper]

yes @visual egret me shall help in naming too

[warm anchor]

There was no chat feature at beginning iirc?

Only pic

[slim nymph]

it was built to only send pictures that auto deletes itself

[echo mountain]

I play on a server that runs off of paper. Trying to do more technical redstone things such as piston feed tapes, smart pistons and shulker detection systems seem to not work on this server only. Would this be more of a paper issue or a server itself issue?

[slim nymph]

now what is the primarypicture type that people would want that behavior for lol

[untold copper]

just got this

[slim nymph]

we got that like 2 days ago 😛

[warm anchor]

@echo mountain depend on plugin if they have anti red stone crap

[untold copper]

i gots it just now lol

[echo mountain]

thanks @warm anchor

[warm anchor]

My server is 900 members away from requirement