#general
limpid comet
md somehow that's even worse
waxen panther
why else !! !
limpid comet
THE THUMPERS
limpid comet
brocc where can i get thumper merch
waxen panther
coming soon
cedar spade
Probably
waxen panther
we just need to get sponsored
olive marlin
It looks like it KoolDude
limpid comet
ok i want to upgrade my cloud 9 chair to a thumper chair
mental meadow
?ban @plush radish Violating the Paper community guidelines & harassing members via DM and on their servers
limpid comet
mental meadow
god fucking damnit dyno
worn ember
relying on bots lol
waxen panther
@limpid comet make sure to pair your thumper merch with the official clan merch
worn ember
midnight snaqq
cedar spade
I have teabags but it's too late for tea
viral hornet
Too late for tea????
limpid comet
incredible
viral hornet
Why kind of British person are you
cedar spade
I do this thing called "sleep"
mental meadow
tea contains a form of coffein which keeps you awake
limpid comet
cheese on toast is just half a grilled cheese
viral hornet
Same same
tough needle
It looks like it KoolDude
@olive marlin Would I delete CustomName?
cedar spade
hallo Englisch
mental meadow
Hallo Ananas
cedar spade
ich deutsche good
worn ember
The Johnny?
cedar spade
I can't be arsed to do a grilled cheese
(also I don't have a griddle, just flat frying pans)
cold pumice
Ahh, but dr pepper is good
olive marlin
@olive marlin Would I delete CustomName?
@tough needle I'd delete it, but first test it by removing it on your player data and testing it on another server.
worn ember
looks at 8 soda cans on my desk
@limpid comet i might have a soda issue too
tough needle
How about make a backup first?
limpid comet
it's a sad life
worn ember
delet server folder
somehow my end world was 50gb
lmao
i guess i did do quite a few rtp's in the end to test but still
50gb is a lot of chunks
cosmic raft
I raise that
and give you: cat box
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289587909051416579/545467506874253312/Cat1.gif
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289587909051416579/545467518958043161/cat2.gif
worn ember
void void
dyno offline
void void
@jaunty basalt
mossy vessel
Could still use Carl 👀
zealous wedge
time to bully someone on the team until they make a bot that works well
twin lagoon
warship 
worn ember
Michael do you have a day off tomorrow?
cosmic raft
Not gonna use some top-secret invite-only bot @twin lagoon
worn ember
yeah, its a holiday here
cosmic raft
and?
cosmic raft
it's still invite-only stupidness
limber knotBOT
that's not how it works :p
worn ember
@twin lagoon "wapenstilstand"
twin lagoon
Observed by Belgium, France, United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and many other countries
cosmic raft
automod in carl is better than dyno
worn ember
a yes wouldve sufficed
twin lagoon
that's a no
worn ember
oh i thought NL was in that list mb
twin lagoon
tbh all i need in a bot is basic spam detection, anti-raid & filtered wordsd
stiff yarrow
where muh xbox
cosmic raft
dyno can only mute for like 24 hours or something stupid like that
carl can mute for months
twin lagoon
why not use carl for kicks & bans then
worn ember
hmm i love how i get this in some builds and not in others lol
cosmic raft
because you can't remove past entries with carl
history is there forever
and the fact we have used dyno for some months, so modlogs are in there
and having 2+ places to check is bleh
twin lagoon
mhm, don't think i have that either
yeah double modlogs are annoying
we have dyno aswell for old modlogs in another server
stiff yarrow
waits impatiently for xbox obelisk to show up
cosmic raft
and like
I was working on custom bot stuff before
but I gave up because of discord's garbage api
HostnameUnverifiedException: The certificate of the peer does not match the expected hostname (gateway.discord.gg)
spring.log.2020-07-17.03901580167104633.tmp:Caused by: java.net.UnknownHostException: gateway.discord.gg
HostnameUnverifiedException: The certificate of the peer does not match the expected hostname (gateway.discord.gg)
worn ember
understandable
cosmic raft
not acceptable imo
olive marlin
I heard Vortex is decent. But haven't used it.
cosmic raft
well
cosmic raft
if warship ever becomes not invite-only, then sure
twin lagoon
eh wouldn't call it invite-only just exclusive to big guilds
cosmic raft
and that part is a bit silly :p
twin lagoon
i'd disagree since limiting yourself to big guilds with actual moderation needs allows you to dedicate resources for those guilds
instead of becoming way too big like dyno
that said i think they're only exclusive because of it being in ""beta""
cosmic raft
and like
worn ember
is there a way to commit intellij configurations? Currently i use workspace.xml but it changes all the time
cosmic raft
No idea what that is
twin lagoon
used to be a large discord bot used in guilds like Overwatch
mossy vessel
Weeb bot
cosmic raft
mfw
twin lagoon
afaik warship or atleast the current version is based off of it
mossy vessel
Cute
twin lagoon
should defo look into rowboat then
yeah fairly sure it's what warship is based off of
limber knotBOT
yeah, Lymia is trustworthy
twin lagoon
so could be an interesting one
limber knotBOT
probably has good hug and glomp commands too :p
limber knotBOT
👀
twin lagoon
now who is lymia
cosmic raft
that's a secret
worn pasture
@twin lagoon
twin lagoon
aaaaaaaaa
waxen panther
Weeb bot
@mossy vessel
cosmic raft
donesies
worn pasture
ancient bolt
why would that matter?
enough of what gson does it handled by reflection anyways, they could easily implement it as reflection-only
also Path is in Java 7
stiff yarrow
any minute now some USPS worker will kick the box containing my xbox towards my door and I will be happy
zealous wedge
lol i have something before gson? neat
zealous wedge
but also kotlin doesn't have API using Path yet so they probably are split internally
oh configurate has a serializer for Path
limber knotBOT
fair
i mean i have a few other things like support for URLs, and specifying paths as array/lists
limpid comet
yeah
i'm gonna have to do it
i need a dr pepper to get through today
im so tired
limpid comet
kash are you another member of the church of the dr?
incredible
it's such a good drink
some day, i hope to be sponsored by dr pepper
potent fossil
i like dr pepper
potent fossil
dances to song about doing meth and hard drugs and losing the love of your life over it
viral hornet
potent fossil
it has a fun beat though
potent fossil
viral hornet
potent fossil
viral hornet
I just finished working out
and it hurts to type
no doesn't hurt, but like, the zero strength left feeling xD
potent fossil
muscle failure
void void
damn wrote a thing which allows me to proxy signals easily and then wait for target program to exit without gross hacks, and then docker be like
and i thought i can deploy that missing piece of my puzzle into prod today
_>
"that's what you get for using kinda fresh / poorly documented kernel features"
worn pasture
I just finished working out
and it hurts to type
lmao how
viral hornet
haven't done arms like that in agggeesss
slim nymph
Yikes, read FedEx guy tried to steal someone's series x but they chased the truck and stopped em
potent fossil
slim nymph
They said the box says what's in it. So I checked mine.....
Mine fucking says Xbox One lol
unreal quarry
no doesn't hurt, but like, the zero strength left feeling xD
@viral hornet never go that hard... you're going to hurt for days now lol last time i did that i could not extend my arms for a week. I looked like a t-rex at work trying to grab things
slim nymph
But thankfully it was the right console
viral hornet
Yeah I definitely overdone it lol
It's fine though, focus legs tomorrow then day after arms will be alright after a lot of stretching between now and then
slim nymph
viral hornet
or atleast I hope
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow
potent fossil
@viral hornet come on mate its not hard yakka , do it like a true blue ridgy didge Aussie, go over like a kangaroo lose in the top paddock and say "g'day mate throw another shrimp on the barbie", they're look at ya with a stunned mullet but that's kay, they'll serve a fellow down under, fair dinkum
viral hornet
@worn pasture can you please fly up here tonight and pummel my head with a cricket bat after reading what simple just said
potent fossil
unreal quarry
viral hornet
zzzzzzzzzzz
potent fossil
viral hornet
but otherwise yes 😠
stiff yarrow
I’m just gonna do laundry and hope the Xbox shows up sometime soon
viral hornet
Make sure your FedEx'er doesn't steal it
stiff yarrow
Tracking says it’s still out for delivery with a max eta of 8pm and it’s 530
cunning raft
i've only ever use them in nyc
like 5 times
they've lost my package 2/5 times
i assume they're better elsewhere
unreal quarry
i should dyno my bike
unreal quarry
mighty storm
nows a good time to plug chewbotcca, with 0% downtime so far ™️ (over a 1 hour period)
logo
potent fossil
lol
gentle ice
https://queue.bot/t/608kbnph.png this is my rice
potent fossil
i stopped ricing and just use gnome now but arch is my os
stiff yarrow
I’m a simple man who just uses fedora because I kept breaking shit in arch on wild package installing sprees
warm anchor
Way to jinx it 
stiff yarrow
Well, not really breaking the system, usually tends to be messing up something important and the lazy option is to reinstall arch again to fix
Xbox is here 
@slim nymph mine says Xbox series X on the shipping packaging
Aww yiss
The default controller doesn’t have rechargeable battery? Wut
What year is this
potent fossil
microsoft
golden gust
I mean, it's moronic, but, nobody is gonna be like "oh no, I can't just plug it in"
It's dumb, and MS need to like, fuck off, but they're not coz people are gunna buy it anyways
cosmic raft
I mean
cosmic raft
I kinda prefer normal batteries most of the time
the special rechargeable ones are a pain
zealous wedge
disposable batteries create so much trash tho :/
potent fossil
wow all day
golden gust
Wake up, unplug it, do whatever, go bed, plug it back in
stiff yarrow
I mean, my mates PS4 controller lasted literally all day
@golden gust the battery life on the PS4 controller is trash tbh
golden gust
can even get those weird ass charging stands if you have multiple controllers and such
stiff yarrow
DS3 god tier battery life
golden gust
my mates controller lasted a full day on the rechargable batteries
Trash, but, long enough
unreal quarry
my ps4 controllers last a couple days before needing a charge
but i have a dock i set them on overnight, so never really pushed them that long
stiff yarrow
Well I have the overpriced Xbox controller so I won’t be needing batteries
golden gust
my mate had HS so literally glued to the console all day as she couldn't do much else
unreal quarry
hmm, google says you can get 4-8 hours out of a ps4 controller before needing a charge
i swear i've used mine longer than that
golden gust
that's false
potent fossil
what is HS
golden gust
hydritus suppervia or something dumb like that
stiff yarrow
Honestly don’t know what game to play now, guess I’ll browse the game pass stuff
golden gust
Basically, immune system attacks the body, ends up with boils and other skin issues, etc
is nasti
unreal quarry
Honestly don’t know what game to play now, guess I’ll browse the game pass stuff
@stiff yarrow try Bless Unleashed
potent fossil
yike
stiff yarrow
hmm, google says you can get 4-8 hours out of a ps4 controller before needing a charge
@unreal quarry maybe the original ds4 was that bad, the newer ds4 has a better battery that is still trash
golden gust
Seems like it was a 1000mAh battery?
alkalines are generally in the 2000mAh range
So, two AA's = 4200mAh, which, yea
Looks like the newer DS4 controllers had a ~2000mAh battery, whereas the older ones only had 1000
So, shocking, but, 4-8 hours being on the older controlers seems legit when I know that my mates lasted all day basically
unreal quarry
yeah, i've even left mine on overnight, unplugged, with a piece of paper stuck in the trigger, cheating on some game lol
stiff yarrow
someone told me the Xbox game pass was all games but it’s not, oh well no biggie
stiff yarrow
The game I am most likely to play atm is not on game pass
stiff yarrow
Rip my money
potent fossil
F
median canyon
public void onPlayerTab (PlayerCommandSendEvent e){
not sure why that is getting errors
potent fossil
me neither because you dont say what error it is
median canyon
oh sorry
stiff yarrow
or any of the surrounding code
this
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
median canyon
one second
potent fossil
maiden fog
Do you guys have a favorite player2player teleport plugin? EssentialsX integrated isn't cutting it for our community. I'd appreciate any feedback/suggestions you guys have!
cunning raft
what is EssX not doing for you
that way somebody can point you in a better direction
median canyon
Is there a Player tab event, like when players tab over on plugins?
golden gust
the command name can't be auto-completed, that's done on the client
median canyon
Well for this rankup plugin i have i dont want players to be able to tab /rankup3
golden gust
Well, give the command a permission
or, remove it from the define commands or whatever it was event
median canyon
okay thankyou ill give that a try
maiden fog
Hey @cunning raft , its not handling multiple tp requests very well. Currently if i have two players request only the latest one will come through. There's no feedback to the other requestor.
cunning raft
do you want to make an issue on the essx github for that
i'll look into that for 2.19
maiden fog
Sure! Personally i think it would be an improvement. I did bring this up with the MOSS discord thinking it was a bug. In the meantime any reputable alternatives?
golden gust
either shoving something in there, or, crappy connectors
cosmic raft
lol
worn pasture
hahahaha that's a big rip
maiden fog
@cunning raft I submitted it https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/issues/3769 I hope i kept it to the point and simple. and that it gets accepted.
In the meantime. Do you guys have suggestions on other player to player teleport plugins?
limpid comet
grass grows under fences, yeah?
mental meadow
Yes
mighty storm
arawra
limpid comet
arch user repository
zealous wedge
arch user repository arch user repository a
limpid comet
ok im glad you picked up on that zml i wasn't sure if mine was obvious enough
limber knotBOT
hehe
void void
simple being simple.
limber knotBOT
huh?
placid thicket
yall ever just
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/jrvqba/this_may_or_may_not_be_based_on_a_true_story/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) This may or may not be based on a true story : ProgrammerHumor - 56 comments, 2,999 points - PM-ME-BAKED-GOODS, 7h ago
hi xD :3
potent fossil
not sure what that was about chivitos but ok
imagine being so bad at asking questions you take offense when more information is required
limber knotBOT
needs more fancy particles :(
zealous wedge
smoke particles? bats?
potent fossil
could also spawn an explosion with no terrain damage so you get the boom boom particles pretty easy
potent fossil
make it 30 kilotons
limpid comet
potent fossil
thermonuclear pumpkins
limpid comet
ICBP
limpid comet
sharex is just dum dum stupid
potent fossil
let me rephrase:
"guys can you tell me all the plugins i should use to make a popular survival server?"
untold copper
I'm just looking for some cool plugins that do useless shit but is still cool to have around XD
potent fossil
how does this change what you're asking
you're better suited asking in some other discord where you can ask players what they want, i guess.
cosmic raft
...or, and this might be crazy.... but how about not bloating your server with useless garbage?
potent fossil
very crazy, unthinkable kashike
merry talon
well no shit
potent fossil
i saw it coming
cosmic raft
so?
merry talon
you can't just offer that kind of service for free
or any service if its your whole business tbh
twin lagoon
@cosmic raft i'd bet the majority of their users switched to tcpshield because it was free
and that they use more than 1TB bandwidth
twin lagoon
not everyone can pay
zealous wedge
who else are they gonna go with then?
twin lagoon
no one lol
acoustic pilot
doesn't seem like a bad pricing model
cosmic raft
also
golden gust
I mean, seems fair
acoustic pilot
free plan seems reasonable
cosmic raft
wtf did I miss
cosmic raft
"badlion support" why does a service need support for players to connect to a minecraft network to play?
cosmic raft
i am so confused
twin lagoon
kashike badlion anticheat
cosmic raft
does anyone actually use that garbage?
twin lagoon
it needs some specific support idk
golden gust
Bandwidth costs money, if you're over 1TB of traffic, you should defo be capable of throwing in money to protection or go without
twin lagoon
apparently
acoustic pilot
1tb of only game traffic is not bad for a small server
zealous wedge
how tf is that something relevant to the network?
merry talon
for a minecraft server 1tb is significant enough that you should have some kind of revenue stream
golden gust
That 1TB traffic isn't free
Their paying members basically front the cash for the free service, same as cloudflare
twin lagoon
actually eh
i just woke up so i forgot about thefact that 200 players is roughly 1TB
that said, their $25/mo plan is useless
so you're basically jumping on $100/mo immediately
still cheaper than competitors though
acoustic pilot
I think at that price you're largely paying for faster support
But yeah it is a bit of a weird plan
acoustic pilot
I guess API access is good too
twin lagoon
i have less than <10 players going through tcpshield
vernal bone
I think they bandwitch increased so much, that they have to pay too much to ovh, witch they can't afford anymore, and making packages premium solves the issue.
twin lagoon
it might be enough for a small 50 player server
golden gust
Well, that's the major aspect of a free tier
Once you start going above that, you need good hardware, and if you need good protection to, it's worth it
You can make some decent cash on a 50 player server if you know what you're doing
twin lagoon
depends on the server tbh
we ran without tcpshield for pretty much 2 years on OVH
cost us maybe $200/mo for two servers
acoustic pilot
but if you consider that the ceiling, there's a lot of room to work with in terms of generating revenue
enough to afford the $100/mo plan
golden gust
Well, yea, but your server type doesn't change the cost of bandwidth, etc
acoustic pilot
and you could still do that as well, depends on which service you have more confidence in/are willing to pay for
if you would rather just get an OVH dedi and use it as your protection provider as well, you still can.
vernal bone
What happens when you run out of bandwich? Let's just say someones server randomly gets 200 players daily, and all of a sudden they run out of bandwitch. Will TCPShiled make the server unalivable to connect? Or they just trop the defense, and your server ips will be leaked?
vernal bone
Where? Mails?
cosmic raft
carrier pigeon
acoustic pilot
yeah id assume warnings and then eventually either cut you off entirely or throttle maybe
so now that ovh protection isn't basically a requirement for minecraft hosting, what are some budget hosting providers for dedis?
twin lagoon
hetzner
hetzner is basically the only option here that falls under cheap
they plan on adding AWS Global Accelerator so technically it doesn't matter where your server is
We are working on getting the infrastructure ready to support other games like Rust, CS:GO, and FiveM.
ok now this is cool
acoustic pilot
well it still matters, just matters less 😛
golden gust
part of the thing with OVH is that they're great until something happens which isn't covered under their automation, their DDoS protection is also generally a PITA, many incidents where the protection activates and you lose 1/2 of your players due to the network jumping over, etc
cosmic raft
wtf is fivem
twin lagoon
modded gta v
limpid comet
gta private/modded servers
twin lagoon
or basically, gta v roleplay
limpid comet
lol
vernal bone
How much hardware does gta servers require?
I mean their pc game isn't that pc friendly
acoustic pilot
so Hetzner is EU only I guess? Was hoping something US East
twin lagoon
with modern hardware gta v isn't that heavy on the client
been like that for the past 3 years or so
cosmic raft
@acoustic pilot if you run a server, make sure to use the good flags
-Xms300G
-Xmx300G
-XX:+UseNoGC
-XX:+LockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100000000
-XX:+EnableExplicitGC
-XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=900000
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=500000
-XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=800000
-XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=350000
-XX:+NeverPreTouch
-XX:+ParallelRefProcDisabled
i find it to be super well optimized
well, given the scope of the game
i also haven't touched it in a very long time so idk
acoustic pilot
@cosmic raft wot lol
cosmic raft
:D
limpid comet
300G
limpid comet
yeah where's the "mini handles the GC" flag
vernal moth
Well, the nogc and explicit gc flags do that ^^
cosmic raft
-Xms300G
-Xmx300G
-XX:+UseMiniDiggerGC
-XX:+LockExperimentalVMOptions
-XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100000000
-XX:+EnableExplicitGC
-XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=900000
-XX:G1NewSizePercent=500000
-XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=800000
-XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=350000
-XX:+NeverPreTouch
-XX:+ParallelRefProcDisabled
-XX:😛=😛
and to go with those flags you can listen to a song that fits with it
.1.13
limber knotBOT
103 files changed, 2125 insertions(+), 1251 deletions(-)
mmmm
ooh what is that zml
pex
it's refactoring time :)
ah yes
PermissionSex
yes, it's clearly the most consent-focused plugin :p
limber knotBOT
there's a lot of steps before PEX2
but this is a big chunk of getting a good base
limpid comet
yeah of course
potent fossil
is the world really ready for pex2
limpid comet
no
limpid comet
as long as i can run it alongside luckperms and that updated groupmanager fork
is it supporting fabric as well?
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
yeah, it's had a fabric impl for most of the past year lol
limpid comet
very neat zml
limber knotBOT
just waiting for a fabric-native permissions api i guess
limpid comet
so what's the plan for pex2? how is it gonna stand out from LuckyPermissions
limber knotBOT
it'll be a more directed design, and aim to emphasize some of the design ideas that i liked from PEX v1 like bulk matching perms
limpid comet
bulk matching perms? explain
i used to religiously use pex but that was 4-5 years ago i think
limber knotBOT
so how PEX 1 supported regex -- that but using shell-style globs so it's not bad for performance
twin lagoon
zuwu
limber knotBOT
also if anyone wants a glob parser, ca.stellardrift:permissionsex-glob:2.0-SNAPSHOT at https://repo.glaremasters.me/repository/permissionsex/ :p
hi michael :p
limpid comet
should've named it glob sex
teal cedar
Would people bother changing from LP at this point?
I always liked pex, but generally
potent fossil
i don't think that's the intention anyway
teal cedar
Just making for the sake?
limber knotBOT
i mean i'm mostly making PEX to show what a permissions plugin can do, and to play with more experimental concepts
worn pasture
lp sux
limber knotBOT
turbo sux
limpid comet
what are the exepriemntal concetps
limber knotBOT
like i did the first iteration of contexts, luck pushed it a bit further in LuckPerms, and then i'm taking contexts another step in PEX
worn pasture
we must go deeper
twin lagoon
turbo 
worn pasture
limber knotBOT
might play with client mods for permissions management
my interests these days are more on the modded side of things, so i'd like to see what permissions can do there, for modded servers, mapmakers, and pack makers
quasi valley
mood
worn pasture
twin lagoon
turbo send more kitties 
limber knotBOT
where'd you get that photo of me kashike?
worn pasture
photo
limber knotBOT
zml: webcam
quasi valley
implying people can be as cute as kittens
quasi valley
:smolTHEMAN:
potent fossil
uwu
quasi valley
need to resub
twin lagoon
uwu
queen moat
WAIT Java 8 LTS ends next month!!
potent fossil
good
queen moat
thank fcking god
limpid comet
maybe mojang fucking updates minecraft's java now
golden gust
people are still gonna use it
As long as mojang supports outdated hardware, mojang are gonna be stuck to it
limpid comet
how outdated r we talkin
twin lagoon
commercial support ends in 2030 
queen moat
seriously
twin lagoon
no one is going to use it if isn't enforced
golden gust
HD 2000/3000 era, potentially
golden gust
our biggest issue with jumping java versions is hosting providers
queen moat
Oh?
golden gust
nor do I think it really gives us anything super beneficial to write home about
twin lagoon
yeah but that's not something you should be worrying about imo
hosts shouldn't be using outdated software
once 8 is out of LTS it's a perfectly valid reason to step up
limpid comet
are there any examples of plugins that work on 8 but don't on 11?
twin lagoon
many hosts will offer some form of java selector nowadays
golden gust
idea is that we really don't wanna have to deal with 20k people screaming about their servers no longer working
twin lagoon
it'll have to happen lol
or you're going to be stuck with java 8 for many more years
hosts will swiftly adapt to java 11 once paper enforces it
golden gust
is java 8 really holding us back?
olive marlin
I hope that once Mojang switches to providing 11 with the client, they'll also start using 11 features forcing all hosts to allow using 11.
queen moat
What does java 11 really have to offer?
golden gust
has mojang said that they're gonna do that jump any time soon?
quasi valley
Files.readString
queen moat
Well- what things that help for this
Has mojang said they're going to make any core changes ever?
golden gust
They'd need to port all their fixes over, including their intel GPU hax
olive marlin
11 offers support. And there's a bit of improvements like GC. I don't think there's anything really major language wise, but I don't really check that.
limpid comet
they changed default gc to G1 which is already what aikar's flags use
golden gust
there's improvements to G1
But, in general, there's nothing to write home about
they'd already be covered under commercial support if support was an aspect anyways
Not like they ever update the java 8 shipped either
zealous wedge
yeah, commercial support goes until like 2030
queen moat
Commercial support for 11 goes out before 8
golden gust
Basically, I don't think that there's a compelling reason for us to jump the ship to building against java 9, it's still the most popular version and many hosts use it, nor is there anything stopping you just running it on a newer release; last forced java bump caused some "fun" from what I recall, given that we're like, 20x more popular now, eeer...
limpid comet
what's their reasoning for not updating java8u51? is it ignorance/no need or is there some technical justification
golden gust
they ship a newer version now afaik
I have doubts that they really have somebody there to maintain the JDK they already have
limpid comet
oh yeah what were you saying about them having their own jdk
i assume they need things that the official jdk doesn't offer?
golden gust
yes, like the intel GPU hack I keep talking about
queen moat
Could you elaborate on that
limpid comet
oh i didn't see that lol sorry
queen moat
Ahh alright
vernal moth
It's mostly setting a flag that the software is not compatible with windows 10 iirc
elfin pumice
do you guys know an plugin to report server bugs?
smth like:
/bugreport Hole at the spawn
ping me pls for an answer
potent fossil
-.-
limpid comet
i will never ping someone who says ping me
potent fossil
im fine if they say it after waiting a while but not on initial question
vernal moth
It mostly means they copy pasted that question in 10 discords
limpid comet
i just think if someone's actually dedicated to getting their question answered, they should be able to come back and check every now and then
cosmic raft
@limpid comet ping
limpid comet
i am literally shaking how could this happen to me
actually i'd like to change my response to "pong"
actually i'd like to change my response to
Usage: ping [-aAbBdDfhLnOqrRUvV64] [-c count] [-i interval] [-I interface]
[-m mark] [-M pmtudisc_option] [-l preload] [-p pattern] [-Q tos]
[-s packetsize] [-S sndbuf] [-t ttl] [-T timestamp_option]
[-w deadline] [-W timeout] [hop1 ...] destination
Usage: ping -6 [-aAbBdDfhLnOqrRUvV] [-c count] [-i interval] [-I interface]
[-l preload] [-m mark] [-M pmtudisc_option]
[-N nodeinfo_option] [-p pattern] [-Q tclass] [-s packetsize]
[-S sndbuf] [-t ttl] [-T timestamp_option] [-w deadline]
[-W timeout] destination
i just think if someone's actually dedicated to getting their question answered, they should be able to come back and check every now and then
@limpid comet omg this
golden gust
It's shotgun support
Take a question which you could google to produce several dozen answers, and throw it into a several discords in hopes that somebodies gonna engage you to run through 20 different plugins which don't fit your requirement for some pedantic reason or "critical feature" until you find one for them, or give up trying
limpid comet
yeah i find it super annoying and a bit demeaning
worn pasture
@me if u like cats
limpid comet
@worn pasture
twin lagoon
@worn pasture
worn pasture
yes that's why they cuuuuuuuuute
limpid comet
yeah cat you floofy asshole
golden gust
MUrDeR RoCKeTs R CuTe
worn pasture
twin lagoon
cedar spade
@worn pasture
mental mason
marble lark
since when was this a Java thing I opened the main class MinecraftServer.java out of curiosity and the main method was
public static void main(final OptionSet options) {
limpid comet
what part of that is confusing you
marble lark
final OptionSet options
limpid comet
you can throw annotations in there as well
public void bruh(final @NonNull String deeznuts){}
My IDE is just as confused as I am lol it can't recognise MinecraftServer as the main class xd
My life is a lie wtf
potent fossil
i sure do love having full internet outages for 3 minutes with no explanation and fielding questions from all my family at once about why youtube won't load
golden gust
It's not a main class
minor badge
check out craftbukkit's Main
marble lark
It's not a main class
Eh?
check out craftbukkit's
Main
There isn't a Main.java anywhere though :/
golden gust
look at what calls that method
minor badge
im fairly sure its main
cedar spade
potent fossil
isnt MinecraftServer an NMS class tho? Or is this person specifically talking about CB
golden gust
CB modified the signiture in NMS Main, so it's not a JVM entry point
cedar spade
MinecraftServer name makes me inclined to believe they're talking about CB ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
That was moved into CB's Main
waxen panther
@limpid comet
limpid comet
@waxen panther
waxen panther
y r u awake
waxen panther
say no more 😳
potent fossil
limpid comet
the paper discord is really just a romcom
foggy elbow
tcphsield now costs too much money :c
I'll have to find a solution cheaper, like $50 for 5To bandswitch
limber knotBOT
how much bandwidth do you have right now?
foggy elbow
40-50 player count, $600-800 each month,
but tebex+dedicated ovh+website = $250/month, and then I pay devs/builders
but I'll just use the anti ddos from ovh and leave tcpshield
limber knotBOT
I kinda agree, there should be a middle ground paid plan between unlimited and 1tb
golden gust
game eats a chunk more traffic than I recall, but, yea, a couple TB would be nice
limber knotBOT
I would just suggest hitting them up and asking for exactly that
golden gust
I mean, there are a bunch of people saying that,maybe if people contact them they can actually asses it
foggy elbow
I contacted them
to know if it's possible to get other offer like "$25 for 2To bandswitch"
but if they do not change they pricing, I'll just use my ovh anti ddos
limpid comet
http
worn ember
"Secure resources and funding, and begin construction of a Death Star by 2016." man i love murica
limber knotBOT
love the response tho
love the reference to the commerical crew program
MiniDigger: getting into politics.. :p
which, btw, will launch 4 astronauts on sunday
no this is space!
love the crew-1 logo btw
urg
directs
limber knotBOT
pets electroniccat
cosmic raft
@golden gust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7Byt8JkK4
vernal moth
What game kash?
cosmic raft
secret
golden gust
hentai game?
cedar spade
secret.zip
cosmic raft
how'd you guess, cat!?
golden gust
I actually tried playing one of those visual novel type games
I lasted a handful of minutes before it just felt too creepy
cosmic raft
kek
worn ember
Me: is cold
Also me: stress tests pc to heat up room
its insane how much heat a pc actually produces lol
vernal moth
A cpu is a electric heater that also happens to be able to crunch some numbers while at it
worn ember
if only heat wasnt a side effect everything would be 95% efficient lol
instead of like 30-50%
vernal moth
At my parents, in winter, back when I had a giant air cooler, when I was venting my room. in the morning, my cpu would complain about being too cold when I started it, so I had to run a stress test for 5 mins to warm up my cooler 😂
mental meadow
Reminds me of lightbulbs
Since you're not allowed to sell the old non energy saving lightbulbs anymore people started selling them as "heating elements"
vernal moth
(which is also not allowed)
mental meadow
but more accurate
golden gust
Depends on where you are
vernal moth
That's EU law
golden gust
Over here it was more fun
wide chasm
Something like that iirc
golden gust
Shops where allowed to get rid of their back stock, but, now it's all LED/halogen bulbs
worn ember
yeah
golden gust
I think it's only really commercial stuff which are allowed to use proper incandecents
worn ember
you wouldnt say it, but LED also still produce a shitload of heat
golden gust
Well, yea, but it's 60W vs like 11 or 5w or something for the same light output
limpid comet
holy shit selling them as heating elements is the lowest high iq move i've ever seen
vernal moth
Hey I use my toaster as a light!
golden gust
they don't emit light
limpid comet
idk i just think selling shit light bulbs as heating elements is just really funny idk why
golden gust
light is more a side-effect of the oxidisation or something iirc
worn ember
well its still a "waste"
worn ember
at what?
golden gust
The element is 100% efficent, it's basically just a giant resistor
cedar smelt
what is meant by entity broadcast range?
golden gust
that light also works towards the heat as it's basically radio rosmething
worn ember
twin lagoon
no one really cares about 1.12.2 here
minor badge
@twin lagoon awa
warm owl
no one really cares about 1.12.2 here
well put 😂
twin lagoon
@minor badge @mental meadow @quasi valley
mental meadow
uwuwuwu
void void
used to be funny like few months ago
worn ember
@void void smoll peen
void void
no u
limpid comet
that's what we like to call in the biz an "epic troll"
golden gust
#announcements pins, use the API
limpid comet
marsh bone
I don't want papermc 1.16.4
limpid comet
yes, cat said use the api
marsh bone
?
limpid comet
#announcements pins, use the API
mossy vessel
The api is pretty :(
golden gust
Well, I mean, designed for people where PEBKAC may be an issue
mossy vessel
True 😂
topaz mortar
wget -O paper.jar https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.1/latest/download
wget -O paper.jar https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.2/latest/download
wget -O paper.jar https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.3/latest/download
wget -O paper.jar https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.16.4/latest/download
?spoon
mossy vessel
What am I looking there at 👀
golden gust
.spoon
limber knotBOT
Spoonfeed a newbie for a day and they'll come back with more questions. Teach them to find their own answers and you'll both be better off: you won't get stuck answering the easy questions and they'll be much more productive than before.
mossy vessel
Sometimes I kinda doubt that
golden gust
Well, yea, but, it's literally there in english
If you can't work with that, you probs shouldn't be touching unsupported stuff
mossy vessel
I mean, getting older paper builds is still way easier than running build tools every time, for example 
cedar spade
topaz mortar
I just don't expect something of Minecraft users anymore.
golden gust
I'd sooner have those people ragequit than have the expectation that people are gonna run around for them
limber knotBOT
in reality they are going to waste even more of people's time though until they find someone who will spoonfeed them
cedar spade
inb4 "I was rejected from the discord"
mossy vessel
People come here with the expectation/demand that versions prior to 1.15 are/should be supported still, not much to expect from them.
mental meadow
meanwhile in austria
vernal bone
What kind of keyworlds would english people search for "facebook selfhosting"? I can't find any github repo for keeping yourself 24/7 online in facebook.
mental meadow
can do if i find some nmf 😄
mossy vessel
Im not that chocolate eater, if even, I stick to the classics
mental meadow
Gummibärchen but with Almdudler flavoring
mossy vessel
Figured
cedar spade
I know what Gummibärchen means and yet it still looks like it means vomiting
mossy vessel
Traditional German sweets
cedar spade
God that sounds somehow worse
golden gust
but, do turn you into a rocket
cedar spade
I'll stick to my unhealthily high intake of Maryland cookies thanks
golden gust
mossy vessel
I bought Xmas cookies today 😋
cedar spade
no u
mossy vessel
They don't even taste like pineapple
cedar spade
Was gonna say, the few occasions I've tasted haribo sweets, I can't remember any that taste anything like pineapple
mossy vessel
Yeah
slim nymph
man the series X you can just feel the speed boost, very nice /borat
people need to gtfo about lack of games (for both consoles), this gen is about QOL
untold copper
anyone here played the henry stickmin collection?
slim nymph
doesnt it have like 1 or 2
and of those also still cross gen lol
xbox also has game launches these next 2 days, its really no different
many publishers prob waited for PS release date
cedar spade
the real question is: have you floated a ping pong ball on top of your series x yet
slim nymph
ima give destiny another shot since they added the new expansion to gamepass
i dont have a ping pong ball to do it 😦
and i have mine sideways atm
need to move my X1X to put the XSX there if gonna do vertical
quasi valley
my dudes
restive thicket
quasi valley
wow out already
formal turret
slim nymph
@spare venture bunch of random ass titles you never heard about, but I was meaning "next gen only/optimized" games. I see PS people talking same thing about lack of games to push console
but its a nice thing for cross gen, let everyone keep playing the same games w/o buying next gen
it just requires game devs to do what they already do for PC, make it scale
slim nymph
you just have a few targets for power levels, X1, X1S, PS4, PS4Pro, X1X, PS5, XSX in order of weakest to strongest
demon souls yeah, spider man is just an expansion, and still shocks me people are so excited over a marvel superhero game.
unreal quarry
you just have a few targets for power levels, X1, X1S, PS4, PS4Pro, X1X, PS5, XSX in order of weakest to strongest
@slim nymph took me a minute to realize you listed xbox versions in there .. is that really how microsoft is versioning them?! Lmao
wide chasm
And it doesn't even include XSS 😉
minor badge
I hear Glare cracked the secret, and must therefore stay invisible forever
slim nymph
Oh oops I typed xss as xsx and deleted it lol
Xss is mixed, the overall architecture puts it better in some ways than x1x but gpu wise it is weaker than x1x
stiff yarrow
Is it really?
waxen panther
who cares about exclusives when you can replay cyberpunk for the next two years 😳
stiff yarrow
I doubt ps5 is going to be in stock anywhere for a while or I’d buy it in a heart beat
stiff yarrow
XsS makes perfect sense considering their business model
A budget console to rope people into that 15 a month sub
slim nymph
the xss was a major win for poor people
combine that with All Access, sony cant compete with that
unreal quarry
xbox will have to do a lot more to rope me in, tbh.
i still see it as 2nd rate console with a shitty immature teenage userbase ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
the only thing sony has over xbox on this gen is the controller update
slim nymph
so its mainly a question of how important are those PS exclusives to you
waxen panther
not a big fan of all the gimicks, they're the kind of thing i'd turn of instantly anyway
slim nymph
and none of them excite me lol
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph tbh sonys exclusive game is still strong, plus apparently the controller is really neato
on Xbox I don't know a SINGLE strong exclusive game
waxen panther
exclusives are bad for everyone
waxen panther
dont feed the sony exclusive machine
slim nymph
really? gears, halo, never heard of them?
stiff yarrow
hasn't halo been bad for like 10 years
waxen panther
the last of us 
slim nymph
PC doesnt count, italking about consoles
everything going forward is PC too for xbox
well from MS
unreal quarry
if we're bringing PC into the talk, then fuck all consoles. PC master race
waxen panther
xbox have said they're not interested in creating more exclusives this generation
slim nymph
recore, is a hidden gem exclusive
stiff yarrow
well if we just consider not on PS I guess
but the exclusives PS4 had were incredible
not aware of anything of that quality on xbox
slim nymph
but just wait for Starfield and ES6 to be exclusive 😉
waxen panther
the last of us 2 was terrible and an insult to play
for me personally
gameplay was passable but the story was 
stiff yarrow
Diablo 3 is a great example of awful story good gameplay (after they fixed it with patches lol)
waxen panther
it was all over the place and completely unsatisfying
slim nymph
but overall, after PS5's failure at backwards compat, consider your investment into an ecosystem
unreal quarry
ES6? lets be real, they exhausted all their creativity on ES5. thats why they keep re-releasing it 50 years later
waxen panther
93 but 5.7 user 
stiff yarrow
PS5 supports PS4 games which is probably good enough for most
there's like 6 jank ps4 games not supported
slim nymph
not ALL ps4, and saves are iffy on converting