#general
waxen panther
potent fossil
^
cunning raft
wtf
novel horizon
vim like browser lol
upper flicker
lynx4lyfe
waxen panther
I never joke
cunning raft
just use chrome
waxen panther
I am a very serious man.
cunning raft
novel horizon
Lynx too ew
waxen panther
silence Carson fan
novel horizon
you think only in bits or what
upper flicker
was it rms who said he just curl's pages and reads the output
cunning raft
i don't like carson
waxen panther
Same person
cunning raft
he's 
unique snow
Look at that beautiful browser, you degenerates.
waxen panther
I refuse to look at it
unique snow
What specifically would you use mongodb for
limpid comet
Ugh my phone needs to be greased again
upper flicker
send it to the mongo polis bois
worn pasture
mOnGo iS wEbScALe
unique snow
Because it matters
waxen panther
“Phone needs to be greased”
waxen panther
I am webscale.
worn pasture
i am weebscale
cunning raft
my asshole is webscale
limpid comet
You don't grease your phone?
waxen panther
can’t say that I do!
upper flicker
I will say though, tuir (tui reddit client) is still better than the new reddit site
worn pasture
everyone greases their phones with the oils from their hands
limpid comet
Right. Mine just needs a bit more
waxen panther
Apollo is 10000x better than the Reddit site and Reddit app
Ah you were joking!
I see!
novel horizon
using that no thanks i got a mouse 
cunning raft
my bad
upper flicker
tbh assuming thats old and he's talking about the OG iphone and smartphones
kinda dont disagree
3" super low res screen
upper flicker
lynx requiring you to manually confirm cookies before it loads the page is a lil annoying though
why cant it load the page while it prompts
suppose there's plenty of cookies you'd want to confirm before that happens so you can keep your cart or your session
but still 😦 minor annoyances
sharp sentinel
I mean Lynch being unsure of technology seems pretty in character to me
Like after watching Twin Peaks it's pretty obvious he doesn't like it lol
potent fossil
my god :/ just saw a post on reddit that some person's best friend has just found out she has stage 4 cancer and needs insurance to potentially save her own life, and the only option they can both see is to get married
what a fucked up society
ok anyway
waxen panther
American health care 
novel horizon
Was funny I heard about that thing in america about people going to the hospital when they're pregnant in their car etc and I saw the reason - you pay for the ride too
I never thought about that
but makes sense
upper flicker
now imagine the air ambulance helicopter ride 😉
novel horizon
😦
Hard to imagine
For people not there
When I go to the doctor, I'm nervous about money a little bit when I think I'd need to pay dozens of € lol after hospital or so
peak dirge
Come to America, where medical care is a legalized racket.
potent fossil
Yup think I said it in here before but when my dad's legs got cut off, they brought the helicopter in and he begged them screaming bloody murder to just drive him to the hospital because he couldn't afford a helicopter ride.
Of course, no choice. We were out in the fucking boondocks. But what you gonna do.
We're still paying that bill
15 years later
Wait no
20 years later
Imagine losing part of your body and then being punished for losing it
ancient bolt
republicans constantly talk about how people need to manage their money better and if they weren't so irresponsible they'd be okay etc etc
But medical costs cause something like 70-80% of all bankruptcies in the US
which, would cause any reasonable person to realize that argument is dumb and stupid
but republicans gonna do what republicans gonna do
potent fossil
ancient bolt
no, you can't really
that's largely a myth
truth is insurance companies have almost no regulations requiring them to act in any one particular way or the other
I have worked in the medical billing industry
I know first hand how this shit works
you're absolutely right, though the insurance company doesn't negotiate shit
all they do is tell the provider how much they're paying
and that has nothing to do with how much you'll have to end up paying in the end
tawdry coyote
I mean it depends. If you yell at the insurance company for long to cover something, they'll probably budge
ancient bolt
the "negotiated prices" or "in-network discounts" are all just bullshit lies, it's all completely made up
but again, that has nothing to do with you or what you'll be responsible for paying
they'll agree and charge you for the 50k leftover, sure
you're still responsible for paying the full cost regardless of what insurance chooses to pay
lol what are you talking about, they get all of their money
and so does the insurance company
the whole system is setup to maximize profits
at the expense of the patient
....you can't just choose to not pay medical bills without consequences
if you're lucky they'll reduce how much they'll charge you, but they absolutely don't have to and usually won't
....
golden gust
Why would they?
ancient bolt
so you're saying just go to court? are you drunk?
golden gust
You do know that hospitals generally have a legal department for shit like this?
upper flicker
or they’ll just send you to collections
ancient bolt
court is extremely expensive, stressful, and you will lose because before any services were rendered you signed a piece of paper (i.e. contract) that said you agreed to be liable to all costs up front
upper flicker
hell Ive been sent to collections when they fucked up the paperwork for my payment
ancient bolt
and hospitals can make plenty of money by selling your debt anyways
so it doesn't matter to them even if you can't pay, they probably won't take you to court
they'll sell your debt to a collecting agency as Z mentioned and get their profit and laugh all the way to the bank
because that heart surgery that they've just made $250k only cost maybe $10k total
golden gust
and for the stories where they say "fuck off, pay it?"
ancient bolt
no collections agencies entire business model to is harass you for the rest of your life
well, for the rest of your life, and then for the rest of the life of whoever that debt gets transferred to after you die
also that's a great example of survivorship bias
upper flicker
choose your state carefully to avoid the debts of your elders
ancient bolt
you've heard stories of people who have talked to a hospital and gotten discounts, and that's great! they love those stories. That's not the norm by any means though
golden gust
Yea, but that's still something vs nothing to the hospitals
ancient bolt
in reality when I worked in medical banking I routinely saw payers deny claims way over $1mil
golden gust
otherwise they'd need to pay for the whole act of pestering you, they just sell off the work to somebody else
ancient bolt
someone in the ICU is not going to have a few million sitting around to pay after their insurance decided to not pay, and that will ruin their life if they even survive the hospital visit to begin with
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Reminder that you can negotiate your medical bills even WITH... : personalfinance - 654 comments, 6,453 points - Tuxmascot, 3y ago
ancient bolt
the thread has 600 comments total lol
golden gust
I mean, in that very thread there's a dozen "they said fuck off"...
ancient bolt
if you're in that situation you should try, obviously. it usually doesn't get you anywhere though
golden gust
at the end of the day, it's cool that some hospitals do that
but, when shit goes down and you wake up in a hospital, it's not like you have any say in where you accept treatment
ancient bolt
the entire medical field in the US is designed to take as much money from you as possible. Just the fact that healthcare is not regulated or considered a right, but instead a luxury reserved for the employed, should make that clear
golden gust
The whole nature of reducing your bill is 100% depenedent on the hospital and if they're willing to budge
It's not counted differently
if you're lucky, it happened at work and work is liable for it, but, even still that can induce a fuckoff legal battle
ancient bolt
someone not being able to survive because of a medical incident is a problem regardless of whether you lost work or if you can't afford medical bills. It's all shit in the same pile
what situation would you ever be in where you went bankrupt because you lost your job due to a medical issue, but you aren't also drowning in medical bills?
That venn diagram is a circle
remember, you lose your health insurance when you lose your job too
novel horizon
sure of course you can't just randomly do whatever you want if you need to go to hospital
ancient bolt
because unemployed people don't deserve healthcare in america
novel horizon
but the thing you are anxious about that
golden gust
There are social measures to help people who lose their jobs stay afloat until they find a new one
There is pretty much fuck all there to help you with medical bills which isn't basically showing up with a lawyer somewhere at your own dime
limber knotBOT
oof demon hope you "lost" some files on your way out of that job
ancient bolt
lool you think I'm gonna get life in prison just to help some anonymous people I'll never know?
limber knotBOT
generally fucking up at your job can get you at most fired iirc
ancient bolt
deleting files like that would probably be criminal since it would be malicious intent
but idk, not something I would want to risk
also I worked for a third party company that processed payments on behalf of providers, so there's like nothing a malicious person could even do in that situation
random fun fact, third party companies like that don't need explicit permission to access your PHI under HIPAA because you giving that consent to the original party is considered consent to everyone involved
limber knotBOT
the whole health industry is super yikes
ancient bolt
basically you give consent to a hospital to access and use your PHI, which means you're also implicitly giving them permission to give that PHI to other companies which are necessary for the hospital to function, eg billing agencies, payment providers (insurance companies), other medical institutions like if they have to refer you somewhere else to get tests done, etc
limber knotBOT
and i'd say nobody should contribute to its awfulness but people need to eat :/
ancient bolt
I'm happy to say the company I worked for actually saved providers a decent amount of money, which should technically allow those providers to have reduced costs and therefore reduced prices, but I'm sure it doesn't matter
but I was just a code monkey is all I was
if you're retirement and healthcare fund is minecraft than rip
novel horizon
woah a lot of money, but that's also because I'm in different country, different payments etc
lol
minecraft healthcare fund
ancient bolt
lol ironically my healthcare now is much better than it was then
turns out a california company has better benefits than an oklahoma company in the medical banking industry
ancient bolt
that company had pretty trash benefits and didn't pay very well
novel horizon
in my country you kinda need to pay healthcare, it's like 80$ monthly and if you work the employeer pays that for you out of your money
but it's kinda like "law" to pay that, however, you can choose who want you pay that to
like which one
but you need to have one
zealous wedge
oh yeah they cut healthcare premiums here a few years ago, now it's nothing
used to be $75 a month
novel horizon
yeah
zealous wedge
and even before it was reduced for low-income ppl
novel horizon
that's nice kinda
potent fossil
U do know you can negotiate your medical bills right
@rugged pilot oh WOW! i cant believe we never thought of negotiating million dollar medical bills down
oh wait, we did. we got them down to like 300k
we're still paying them.
doesnt change shit
still too high
potent fossil
@meager tusk my dad got his legs cut off, had to be medevac'd to stanford for emergency surgery + new prosthetic legs.
and it didnt ask 300k. it asked a bit over a million.
we negotiated down to 300k.
still paying that.
meager tusk
does the prosthetic leave gold in its trail or sumn
it's a little odd, superpower of the world but can't give affordable health care
potent fossil
nope but it adjusts the angle of his ankle so he walk up hill 
worth it, i guess
-.-
potent fossil
sorry but that "you know u can negotiate lawl" comment was so fucking annoying, fuck out of here with that shit
potent fossil
yeah you made it sound like that solves the problem though
vernal moth
Because they don't tax it properly
potent fossil
it absolutely does not
vernal moth
And let ppl and companies evade the taxes
meager tusk
potent fossil
lol
meager tusk
wasn't there some thing about how insulin costs 500 USD
potent fossil
idk who's getting a bill for 1k but yeah, ok sure
i went and got a fucking blood test to see if i had a heart attack and was charged 8,000
vestal jasper
doesn't help that they'll outright refuse to let you know how much anything is until after the procedure :D (relevant to non emergency visits)
"How much would that be?"
"It depends on your insurance! :D"
sly ruin
Are you kidding me? $500,000? Also, sorry for your loss.
not loss damnit. I don't know english. sorry for what you've had to go through
potent fossil
huh
my dad is alive btw (unless that was to someone else), its not like they refuse treatment, but you will be in debt for the rest of your life
just for having an accident
sly ruin
Primary language: other
potent fossil
ah yes
sly ruin
Sorry for the confusion.
potent fossil
i mean
zealous wedge
not in an emergency lol
potent fossil
he was bleeding out, there was no time to go another country
potent fossil
Frosting whats your lang btw just curious
meager tusk
maybe say it in a way they can understand
idk if they know slang 
Frosting what is your primary language?
meager tusk
zealous wedge
ah yes other
sly ruin
English except for when it's midnight and I'm sleep deprived
zealous wedge
lol
potent fossil
Anyway, back to watching this movie. Just read that shit and had to reply because holy fuck that was some stupid bullshit 
sly ruin
Lucky
vernal moth
Minilang is the one superior language
zealous wedge
English is one of several languages I speak badly
golden gust
Mini, no. Y'all have done this before, it doesn't end well.
potent fossil
I can speak Tagalog at a basic level and I used to have pretty decent Spanish but never used it so that's gone
sly ruin
At first I thought simple was calling me dumb and I'm like "lol okay"
vernal moth
Am not a race tho cat, don't worry
potent fossil
No I wasn't calling you that
vernal moth
Or does this mean I ha e to lol everybody else? 🤔 😂
sly ruin
Yeah, whatever. I get that you misinterpreted what I said. It's still funny though.
sly ruin
Weekdays I get 5-6, weekends 12-14.
vernal moth
I get as much as I want
vernal moth
But I get too much, making me tired all day
potent fossil
"i get as much as i want"
still sleep deprived
meager tusk
how old are you
sly ruin
My teacher made something due at 12:00 PM today and I didn't realize that was noon. So now I have 4 massive zeroes.
meager tusk
zealous wedge
how tf do people wake up feeling well rested
meager tusk
zealous wedge
it happens like 2 or 3 times a year for me lol
vernal moth
how tf do people wake up feeling well rested
@zealous wedge I sometimes have that, when I did a bunch of stuff that mentally and physically challenged me
Then I sleep extremely well
meager tusk
I woke up rested today
sharp sentinel
imagine not being severely fatigued 24/7
vernal moth
But I mean, I def feel better than it I would have slept for another 2 hours
sly ruin
I'd imagine that but I'm tired so I can't really.
sharp sentinel
haha
golden gust
and by party I mean flat out cold
meager tusk
I hate having sleepovers at my house cause I know I'll be the first person to fall asleep
sly ruin
Who's going to bring the melatonin gummies?
meager tusk
sharp sentinel
I should make a sleeping corner, idk why but that actually sounds great
zealous wedge
blankets are so good tbh
meager tusk
yea that's why they were invented
sharp sentinel
Yeah just like a spot on the floor with blankets and pillows
sharp sentinel
haha, goals
zealous wedge
what do you have against Monday?
vernal moth
Nothing effective
sly ruin
You can if you want, but keep your hands off my lasagna. That's all mine.
zealous wedge
you don't have to take Monday classes?
meager tusk
I go to school
sharp sentinel
Just put this giant garfield plush in the sleeping corner,
meager tusk
I have to take all the classes every week day
zealous wedge
ok, me what's your favourite Ikea stuffed animal
sharp sentinel
ikea have stuffed animals?
sly ruin
RIP. I take all of them on mondays, then half of them tuesday thru friday.
Alternating. It's nice because the homework is easier to manage.
meager tusk
Petition to end homework
worn pasture
how tf do people wake up feeling well rested
@zealous wedge honestly, stop staying up late and try have less screen time before you sleep. i have been a zombie all my life every morning until recently when i started being more serious about my sleep schedule. it's insane how different i feel in the mornings now.
vernal moth
I was piloting the end of homework
sly ruin
Who needs to study for tests when you've got a TI84 and mad TI-BASIC skills?
vernal moth
Worked great 😂
meager tusk
my body doesn't allow me to feel well rested when waking up at 5AM
zealous wedge
ya me - I have an elephant from them
sharp sentinel
ooh fancy
worn pasture
haha i can write "boobies" on my calculatorrr
sharp sentinel
I can write the bee movie script on mine
zealous wedge
idk turbo I never rly have a consistent sleep schedule unless I have a stretch of work that happens at the same time
meager tusk
haha i can write "pubic hair" in my language in a calculator
worn pasture
i get really tired now around 9pm every day, so that's when i start thinking about heading to bed. usually asleep by 10/11pm
it's weird
but i'm all for it
worn pasture
no more playing overwatch until 3am for me
sharp sentinel
What if you're always tired so you don't "get tired" at a certain time :^)
worn pasture
lol that was me like a month ago
meager tusk
zealous wedge
the problem in normal times is sometimes I work at 8am, sometimes at noon, sometimes at 22:30, and sometimes at 3am
worn pasture
yeah that sucks
meager tusk
is DST over yet
sly ruin
Mind if I ask what job you have?
meager tusk
sly ruin
No, not yet.
zealous wedge
I do events lol
worn pasture
i am blessed 🙏 to have a regular 9-5 job
vernal moth
Imagine not being able to work whenever you please
meager tusk
facts
sly ruin
Shut it lol
zealous wedge
there's also the fun slump at like hours 12-13 of a day
worn pasture
i can, i just prefer not to lol
vernal moth
Well, I try to have a regular schedule too
zealous wedge
nah not security but I wear quite a few other hats
vernal moth
But if I don't wanna work anymore I just go home
zealous wedge
I'm not a wannabe cop lol
sly ruin
lol that's my plan for college.
sharp sentinel
z0w0 is a hat carrier confirmed
worn pasture
can you carry my hat
sly ruin
Here the license for unarmed just requires a 40 hour course.
zealous wedge
well I don't really do wardrobe
technically my debut as a dresser was at a drag show for kids where I gave some impromptu assistance
viral hornet
@quasi valley GOOD MORNING HOPE ITS NOT WINDY
sly ruin
Based on his pfp I'm like 95% sure he's the guy from Flammable Maths
worn pasture
he's gonna smoke some weed then go for a jog
or maybe it's bud the beer
or maybe he just really likes flowers
viral hornet
I doubt that's what kenny means lol
Why does everything in german have to be so much more complex 😂
Gym? Nah mate
Fitnessstudio
green edge
mighty storm
Jim
worn pasture
that's an innuendo if i ever heard one
viral hornet
@quasi valley can I join 🥺
worn pasture
mighty storm
Do y'all pronounce gym as Jim or gim
viral hornet
Jim
worn pasture
jeeem
mighty storm
So that means it's jif and not gif right
viral hornet
There's also a place near me that is called "Gympie", but is pronounced "gimpee" and not "jimpie"
#english
vernal moth
No it's gif
worn pasture
gym pie 🥺
viral hornet
I still have no rory emotejis 😠
viral hornet
Haha
viral hornet
niiighttt chewww
mighty storm
Maybe
zealous wedge
@mighty storm pls sleep 
mighty storm
can I pet Rory firs
quasi valley
@viral hornet sure, if you can be here in 20 minutes 
olive marlin
Did anyone tried to make server be regular, whitelisted server when using one endpoint, but be read only, not-whitelisted when using another one?
I'd imagine I'd need to have 2 separate proxies, where second one cancels almost all events etc.
potent fossil
o.O?
you're overthinking that, just make a plugin that forces people into spectator if the plugin doesnt know who they are
(i.e. whitelisted...)
@olive marlin am i missing something? ^
viral hornet
Simple 🥺
potent fossil
Camm 🥺
ashen cliff
Closes thing I did to that, was running a server on a RO filesystem.
It works™️, but requires Console Spam Fix. 
ashen cliff
For him, no idea. In my case it was a compressed filesystem.
Had to somehow fit 200GB into 40GB.
merry talon
...wut
potent fossil
What's that have to do with stopping people from modifying the world
Just force them into spectator...
zealous wedge
could probably do sth with virtual hosts for that prof
just determine whitelisting by the domain someone connects with
potent fossil
Well still nobody is telling me why spectator isn't sufficient so I'ma just assume there is collective brain damage occurring and make my way on out of the room
zealous wedge
yeah if you're looking for brains here is not the place
viral hornet
sad zombie noises
wintry sequoia
Interesting
olive marlin
@potent fossil Sorry, Discord didn't ping me :/
But then it makes it possible for whitelisted people to scout out caves and stuff.
olive marlin
Yes, but then there's no no-clip.
potent fossil
Well, don't use spectator then. Just stop them from using certain events.
olive marlin
I was thinking adventure mode + unable to retrieve items from chests + when trying to open a door tp to the other side or something.
potent fossil
You can use MiniDigger's mass event registration utility, just collect all the events you disallow and then register a cancellation method for them all in one fell swoop
potent fossil
Yea, essentially just carefully create a new game mode that works. No need to run a whole separate proxy. It can run directly at the server level
limber knotBOT
gotta replace the reflections lib with fastclasspathscanner
olive marlin
Hmm, but I'll need to communicate from the proxy whether person tried to join as this RO user or regular one, right?
potent fossil
No, just check the DB if they are whitelisted when they join?
You'll have to make your own whitelist for this, yes
And I mean, sure, if you want to do that whitelist checking at the proxy level then sure.
Then shoot a plugin message or whatever, ig
olive marlin
Hmm, I'll figure something out. Thanks for the ideas!
ashen cliff
Sounds like you could just use BlueMap.
olive marlin
I want to add bluemap, but it's not the same as being able to explore it from the inside and with your shaders and whatever.
ashen cliff
True.
visual egret
my dad had the nhs app and he got the virus even though his risk was "low". for some reason they dont allow under 16's to have it...
olive marlin
I got tests today, since both of my roommates have symptoms, but waiting for their results to come back before I'll test myself.
cedar spade
Imagine your local exposure notification app actually giving you useful details about your exposure
Instead of a "we've assessed the exposure and you're safe" push notification that disappears without anything showing in the app
cedar spade
This is all we get
quasi valley
I disabled tracking because it drained my phone battery thanks to iOS 😂
worn ember
Yeah location and bluetooth on all the time drains mine too
cedar spade
I'm leaving it on because one of my flatmates is still going out regularly despite the alert level
I've been out like 5 times in the past month
worn ember
What a dum dum
wheat quarry
The draining isn't an issue with android and whatever app Germany uses it seems 
(At least on my phone)
woven otter
Md what do you do
cedar spade
Not a lot
wheat quarry
But I intercept location request anyways so maybe that helps?
Coronalert seems to be a fork of the german one though, lol so I dunno
cedar spade
pretty sure one of the conditions of using the Apple/Google system is that they can't combine location data with exposure notifications?
wheat quarry
No, but using BLE for nearby detection requires location permission and is tracked as such in the system
cedar spade
does that get logged as an actual location request? I figured that would be logged separately
the NHS app only uses location to get your postcode for the local alert level (which is often wrong or misleading, like you can see in my screenshot where we have two levels that apply in this area)
wheat quarry
No it doesn't, the system is too dumbed down
minor badge
At least y'all have an app
@cunning raft my gov fucked it up so bad it drains in an hour the amount of power an electric cat needs in a day
wheat quarry
Mobile OSes are usually designed for dumdums which is why I always root and run custom ones that wan actually provide what I want lol
minor badge
an hour of covid tracking, apparently
cedar spade
given the covid rates where cat is, I wouldn't be surprised
muted portal
Guys check out my cool new covid tracking app!
minor badge
imagine not being over the age of digital consent
pinapl doesnt need to imagine but :')
wheat quarry
I mean at least you can install it, my sister can't and Samsung doesn't release updates for a 3 years old phone anymore...
And they shipped it with Android 5 or whatever is right below the apps minimum
minor badge
not anymore, no :)
Smittestopp is an app to help the health authorities to limit the transmission of coronavirus. The app is temporarily deactivated.
temporarily
meager tusk
void void
who know how to add custom advancements?
slate bison
austere ivy
maybe sending plugins for people to use with the word “outdated” in the title isn’t the greatest idea
also @void void if you’re asking how to do that API-wise, like if you’re making a plugin, then do that at #paper-dev
indigo bone
Ay can i make a post of good minecraft hosting providers in the forum? am i allowed?
glad narwhal
2 parrots are flying, first is green, second to the north. how many dried apples will it be if to unscrew a nut from steam train?
i bet no one can solve this
limpid comet
Is redis webscale?
Unironically tho, was wondering if using redis pubsub is a good idea if I need scalability in the future
Ok cool it is
sharp sentinel
Well it depends how you use it
Generally pubsub is something where you don't need a single data store, so you could theoretically spin up any number of redis instances to handle them
cedar spade
brb implementing Minecraft proxy using Redis pubsub
limpid comet
I just want to be able to tell my proxy "hey a game has started here" or something like that
visual egret
hmm i wonder how well this will run on a 8gb ram system
hmm i wonder how well this will run on a 8gb ram system
WHY DID IT SEND TWICE
i only sent it once
cedar spade
hmm i wonder how well this will run on a 8gb ram system
limpid comet
good thing i have 32gb 
chrome quest
Hello. So I saw someone in my server building in a way that is clearly not possible. They were digging and moving way to fast to build a tunnel.
Do you know what mod they might be using?
limber knotBOT
I mean, there's tons of cheat clients and mods out there lol
void void
wurst
limber knotBOT
at least install Updated-NoCheatPlus with its default configs if you don't have any anti cheat already
chrome quest
Is there anti cheats that can stop this?
Will the updated no cheat plus be on spigot? Or is it hidden somewhere?
golden gust
that's the literal name of it
chrome quest
As in do I need to go and click on 10 links just to get to the download.
limber knotBOT
.g github Update-NoCheatPlus
(phoenix616) https://github.com/NoCheatPlus/NoCheatPlus -- NoCheatPlus/NoCheatPlus: Anti cheating plugin for ... -...: "NoCheatPlus is a fork of the famous anti-cheat plugin NoCheat created by ... you might have to update the includes section within NCPCompatNonFreeJar..."
eww
wtf google
ah, I missed an d
chrome quest
Am I meant to compile that myself?
golden gust
scroll down and read...
limber knotBOT
there is literally a download link in the description: https://is.paper.sexy/fLj28uae.png
void void
looks like they have a build bot
chrome quest
But I could compile it and call it something else so people wouldn't know when they type /plugins
Big Brain.
🧠
limpid comet
i mean
it's fairly trivial to figure out what ac a server is using even if it doesn't appear in /pl
chrome quest
Knowledge is power and the less knowledge I give to them the more power I have over them.
limber knotBOT
you don't even need to compile it, just edit the plugin name in the plugin.yml of the jar lol
chrome quest
Isn't exporting it from Eclipse compiling it?
limber knotBOT
I have no idea how Eclipse works lol
void void
eclipse is my dad
eclipse is yikes
whoever reacted under my message is ^3
at least its free
intellij is too, lol
nah had to deal with accounts and bs like that
???
limber knotBOT
(also everything is free when you look at the correct location 
)
void void
community edition does not require an account at all >_>
limber knotBOT
imaBASKET: professors using what they know usually
and for companies it's even easier to answer: existing workflows and tools that integrate with the IDE
wide chasm
My university uses IJ 🙂
wide chasm
Would be surprised if they didn't tbh
topaz mortar
Just use maven/gradle to compile your plugins. No IDE needed. IDE jar exports are shitty.
void void
imagine learning new things
they must have created the first version of eclipse using something else lol
bruh have to find out unused braincells
that requires an effort
runs
cedar spade
ed, man
limber knotBOT
emacs!
topaz mortar
VIM for the WIM ehm WIN
wide chasm
IntelliJ existed before Eclipse, so could've made the first Eclipse version in IntelliJ
austere ivy
I can't read.. assembly or whatever that is.
IntelliJ was before Eclipse??
That's .. actually really crazy. I wonder why Eclipse has fallen behind so much.
wide chasm
IJ was January 2001, Eclipse was November 2001
austere ivy
Dang, almost a full year.
limber knotBOT
Eclipse is an open source project, InteliJ is made by a company. that's the difference
austere ivy
I never really liked Eclipse that much with how it dealt with projects.
IntelliJ is very separated but Eclipse feels like one project with a giant ton of packages, it's kinda weird.
chrome quest
So the anti cheat plugin doesn't like people with elytra.
wide chasm
You can let Eclipse work more similarly to IntelliJ, you just need to utilize different workspaces.
Unlike what most people seem to do, which is throwing every project in the same workspace.
austere ivy
huh
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nono the 595 contribs are all employees, don't you see?
austere ivy
have you guys seen this yet? https://old.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/ji2ar0/announcing_terra_a_free_opensource_world/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Announcing Terra - A Free & Open-Source World Generator with... : admincraft - 47 comments, 271 points - dfsek_, 15h ago
austere ivy
looks super cool
limpid comet
i'd imagine it suffers from all other problems with custom wgs
performance
then again, i suppose that's mitigated if you pregen like a sane human
austere ivy
bluely, quick question
when did you come into existence?
just for funzies I was looking at all the servers I'm in and don't do anything in and.. you're in all of them
austere ivy
not only are you in all of them, but you're active on all of them
golden gust
Issue with world gen plugins is bukkits API
ashen cliff
Looks cools, but OTG > anything.
austere ivy
OTG is dead isn't it?
golden gust
You practically cannot have a performant generation system without maintainability horrors in bukkit
limber knotBOT
open source projects never die
austere ivy
I loved OTG but it's on 1.12.2 only now isn't it?
limber knotBOT
OTG is on 1.16?
ashen cliff
They have a 1.16 branch.
limber knotBOT
austere ivy
that's sweet, thanks for telling me!
untold copper
hai :D
austere ivy
I had an OTG/BiomeBundle server with my friends but we stopped playing because it wasn't on the latest version of MC
austere ivy
honestly blue I wouldn't doubt it
limpid comet
golden gust
you're living proof that darwins award is a lie
untold copper
Lol
austere ivy
cause I've been here for a while, not that that matters, but I never saw your name, and now just bam you're active in all the servers.
how long have you been in the mc community anyway?
limpid comet
i lurk
austere ivy
no you don't, you totally do not
limpid comet
well now i don't
i mean; only recently i got super into server development but i've been following all the various projects for years
but only now i've gotten into discord
wow we do have a lot of mutual servers though
austere ivy
yeah, uhhuh
and I look through all of 'em and your name pops up in the first 5 scrolls in the general chat
austere ivy
hah, that's an honorable quest, good luck
limpid comet
just kidding, i quite like my table actually
austere ivy
also phoenix616, what's wrong with r/admincraft?
austere ivy
I think I heard about some drama that went down but I haven't been involved with motions broadly around the entire mc dev community this for a long time
yeah I saw r/syscraft
so what's up with that?
limber knotBOT
limpid comet
that
austere ivy
good. lord. I'll read that hold on.
oh yeah, that does remind me, I went on r/admincraft a while ago and saw mbax wasn't on there anymore
I thought that was weird because I remembered them being like besties or something
limpid comet
its sad, nobody named cmdr kittens should be put in a place like that
cedar spade
many things
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@cedar spade uwu
cedar spade
I think "besties" is a stretch
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pinapl 
cedar spade
👀
austere ivy
read it, that is.. definitely drama.
limpid comet
yaeh
austere ivy
I feel particularly bad for mbax, that must be really, really horrible, having a community that you've cultivated and poured your life into for months taken away from you
limpid comet
i mean if i were intelli i would've just given mbax ownership
austere ivy
and I will now be leaving the admincraft Discord :)
golden gust
his fault for being mbax
meager tusk
what happened with admincraft
limpid comet
scroll up once
austere ivy
.. aaaaand unsubbed from the subreddit as well.
meager tusk
Ha
limpid comet
how small is your screen
twin lagoon
@meager tusk 
golden gust
as small as ur pp
limpid comet
wtf wtf wtf
austere ivy
so! what's this r/syscraft I hear about? created by mbax, I would assume?
golden gust
afaik it's not by mbax, but he's involved
next wind
yeah
limpid comet
oh wewll
twin lagoon
it's by larry
limpid comet
it's the whole gang
twin lagoon
@swift root
limpid comet
i'd expect
austere ivy
subbed and joined the discord.
maybe this time I'll try being active and not a total piece of crap
viral hornet
It was made "for" him, and was around for quite a while waiting to see if he'd ditch admincraft
limber knotBOT
eww, so does docker not have some default mechanism for storing image settings externally so you can easily update images without loosing settings?
meager tusk
Michael.
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
or am I misunerstanding something about that?
limpid comet
define image settings
twin lagoon
@viral hornet
limpid comet
like networks and stuff?
cedar spade
docker-compose?
limber knotBOT
data that the application inside the docker stores
viral hornet
Michael 
🥺
limpid comet
i mean
cedar spade
volumes?
limpid comet
if it's application-specific data you're storing that should be done yourself
twin lagoon
@wheat quarry iirc it creates a volume by default
limpid comet
via volumes or something
golden gust
Nobody has solved dockers data persistent issue
twin lagoon
golden gust
All solutions are basically horrible
limber knotBOT
so that's not something that you can do when sharing an image?
golden gust
shared config volume?
limber knotBOT
no, I mean sharing it online for others to use it
I guess that's what docker-compose is for
golden gust
Well, generally env variables or somehow shoving a file in there
Nobody has a proper solution for this "yet"
limber knotBOT
pretty strange that it can't auto-save changed files outside the container
golden gust
They're containers, they're meant to be contained
part of the issue is that all of the good solutions for this generally tend to err on breaking the "container" aspect
limber knotBOT
well, not outside the container, more outside of the "data that the image is going to erase if you update it" part
golden gust
well, that's what volumes are for?
limber knotBOT
like it could auto-create a volume, then shove every file that changes on runtime in there and when reading one check if its in the volume before falling back to the one in the image
that's kinda how I expected it to work lol
limpid comet
that sounds like a messy solution that is easily remedied by just putting the sysadmin in control
containers by definition aren't persistent
limber knotBOT
but I guess a developer-provided compose file is "safer"
(as it only saves the files that should actually be saved externally)
just a learning curve I guess, first time messing with this lol
limpid comet
yeah, when i first got into docker that was a problem i had
but what helped me was thinking about things a different way
like, for my servers, a lot of them don't have persistent worlds
and the ones that do are just volume'd
limber knotBOT
ok apparently it stored it in a volume already? can't remember setting that up though but maybe I just forgot that lol
well whatever, re-created it with a compose file so I don't have to manually do stuff in the future xD
limpid comet
good, when i first figured out compose i was like "ohhh wow that's so much easier"
praise be the docker-compose.yml file
limber knotBOT
now I just need to figure out if the other image I'm running needs to store data as the devs don't provide a compose file for that
btw beehive is a pretty cool ifttt alternative: https://github.com/muesli/beehive ;D
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oh i love how he copped the name muesli
limber knotBOT
it has some flaws (like a limited bee amount and functionality) but all open source solutions too (huginn is another good one which has a bit more on the home-automation side iirc)
nothing wrong with combining them though I guess which is my current plan (or just learn go :S)
also the beehive webinterface needs a rewrite :S
limpid comet
pheonixhive wen
limber knotBOT
oh this is an interesting use of github actions: https://github.com/muesli/readme-scribe
novel horizon
.optimize
limber knotBOT
oh wow, with the cause behind https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-164316 you can spam the client so that it keeps tons of resource pack files open
interesting
novel horizon
nice
limber knotBOT
guess another reason why specifying the hash has never mattered
or rather something that I should do
I hate how actually using the hash functionality just breaks it from ever updating the back again
I'm gonna just run my own logic and just append the hash to the end of the URL. that will cause the client to not delete old packs but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
that's what I do more or less
upload new pack to webserver with new filename iirc
I use to use GitHub releases for it c:
*used
eww
I just do it automatically in my plugin now xD
wut u mean
append #hash=<hash> to the URL
or do u upload to ur MC serbur
o
the actual configured URL never changes, I update the file then generate the hash automatically
wut a mad hax
o
hmm
CB code?
y
no reason to remove legacy support if its already there
the people pay for it so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
thought it was always in bukkit
huh
the bukkit method wasn't able to set the hash
but seeing as that doesn't even work... pretty pointless I guess
how about when you upload tho
like what's that process
I wonder if it worked in older versions and the workaround isn't necessary though
I just upload it via sftp to the server xD
you make changes locally, then... you generate and append hash manually on upload?
along with manual zip up?
then I run the hash generation command in my plugin
oh people just pull from your MC server then?
yeah, I don't change it too often. I guess if I would constantly add stuff I would automate that
they pull from my server's web server
ok
the plugin just downloadsfrom the url and generates the hash for the config
ah
probably not the cleanest code but it works: https://github.com/Phoenix616/ResourcepacksPlugins/blob/master/core/src/main/java/de/themoep/resourcepacksplugin/core/PackManager.java#L950-L1009
now that I think about it I could just hash the input stream directly instead of saving it lol
worn ember
Yes
limber knotBOT
god I hate those xbox live tags https://minecraft.ceo/⛏/fX1ZleZd.png
ashen cliff
Needs more X and _.
twin lagoon
apparently those numbers don't show when you have a unique username
so The Moep has already been taken by someone before you registered
limber knotBOT
probably me lol
numbers will never show if u done years ago
or something
idk never heard of numbers till broccolai showed
they were added last year
I love how this is a lie, I already changed it once lol https://i.moep.tv/fSknDeTz.png
also interestingly you can modify the classic gamertag independently from the new one
slim nymph
i hope they dont force a discriminator on me one day
limber knotBOT
they already do if you want to use Bedrock
or well, if you don't already have the name I guess
slim nymph
yeah new GT's have it, but not like im ever changing mine
limber knotBOT
slim nymph
so its just an option if you really want a certain name?
twin lagoon
yes
limber knotBOT
oh they want 10$ for the change and only state that afterwards, wtf
slim nymph
yeah...
limber knotBOT
blizzard does something similar right?
twin lagoon
ngl atleast they offer it
limber knotBOT
well whatever, it's not like I am playing xbox live games anyways lol
slim nymph
thankfully i saved my one name change until aikar became avail. I think I potentially owned Aikar on some old hotmail account and they one day just released it
limber knotBOT
you can freely change it on steam?
twin lagoon
no
limber knotBOT
wat
twin lagoon
you can't change your steam username
slim nymph
yeah me too, my steam is so old
twin lagoon
it has never existed
limber knotBOT
oh you mean the login name that nobody is supposed to know?
limber knotBOT
in fact username is considered credentials
slim nymph
id love to not login with an old cringey nickname from 20 years ago
slim nymph
well to add friends your suppose to give email or login, so now you gotta give up something either way
slim nymph
oh, i havent used steam in years, i didnt know of that
limber knotBOT
or just link your profile
just as useful as Nintendo friend codes
I just link to profile or just search my username
they even offer custom ids instead of their numeric ones: https://steamcommunity.com/id/themoep/
imo unlinking page links, display name and actual login name is the best solution
limber knotBOT
lol
slim nymph
dont bother adding me, my brother uses my account now for most part.
cosmic raft
slim nymph
what is that?
cosmic raft
that comment though
slim nymph
err my reply was to phoenix
warm anchor
ashen cliff
Oh boy, I sure do love my system crashing due to intermittent IMC issues.
novel horizon
Don't tell me about cringe username >.<
waxen panther
lombok
willow rune
Is an AMD EPYC 7402P 24-Core Processor good for a heavily plugined server with 30-50 users?
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
waxen panther
proxi 😳
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brocc 😳
waxen panther
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@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
broccy 
waxen panther
michwy 
twin lagoon
quasi valley
thank you for existing, michale
twin lagoon
np
meager tusk
No I got hacked
waxen panther
what's she doing? rewriting ban for the 250th time?
waxen panther
pog
meager tusk
@minor badge are you remaking ban for the 251st time
twin lagoon
meager tusk
You hate me
stiff yarrow
Xbox is just around the corner 
vernal moth
And in today's news
Another new cloud gaming service created
Another new cloud gaming service blocked by apple
Twitter
limber knotBOT
nice
vernal moth
BUt aPPLe Is PrOtEcTInG cOnSUmERs
bUt cOMpaNIeS onLy GReeD foR mOrE moNEY and DONt WaNT to REv ShARe
radiant acorn
Does anyone have an Aether generator for multiverse?
vernal moth
Apple is straight up blocking a whole industry from access to millions of potential costumers
Just to prepare their own service
waxen panther
yes 😎
radiant acorn
If anyone have an Aether generator for Multiverse pls ping me
cosmic raft
meager tusk
If it stops Facebook from doing anything I'm all for it
limber knotBOT
this is why we need windows phone
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limber knotBOT
the duopoly should be android and windows phone, not ios
twin lagoon
same
cosmic raft
I hate facebook, I'm mad that I have an account
meager tusk
I think it's about setting a precedent
vernal moth
I don't care about the particular service
meager tusk
Rather than being worried about a particular service
vernal moth
I care about apple blocking a whole industry
Luna, stadia, xcloud, facebook gaming
Because "policy"
twin lagoon
agreed