go in the BUS stinky
#general
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ok proxi
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the bus is late
mighty storm
is storing a bunch of objects you want to refer back to later in a class somewhere bad
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xy
meager tusk
^
mighty storm
wha
meager tusk
xy problem
viral hornet
proxi ๐ฅบ
meager tusk
look it up
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.xy
limber knotBOT
meager tusk
viral hornet
uwu
mighty storm
what? It's not a problem, it's a question lol
meager tusk
Paper team was aware
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who knows, provide example of what you mean
meager tusk
Constants.java 
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larry graveyard ๐๐๐
mighty storm
Yeah that's about it lol, jsut a class of static objects
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then its usually a bad idea
meager tusk
static constants?
swift root
i mean
meager tusk
yeah it depends
swift root
it works if you want to hardcode some things you need to access in several places
meager tusk
show us example
meager tusk
because technically a String is an Object
mighty storm
should do final
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idriz is my Object
meager tusk
Compile time constants breaking my fucking configuration library
swift root
Prox why would you graveyard me
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๐๐
meager tusk
.
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just transient them dumdum!
meager tusk
Proxi?
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idriz?
swift root
The only way I'd allow it is if you were graveyarded alongside me so I could spend forever with u in the cool, loving earth
meager tusk
idriz is my Object
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mighty storm
statics are cursed, I spent like 30 minutes solving a problem when I was learning about them initially
swift root
static = pls no change me
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youre not primitive, Idriz! 
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i'll box ya papi
peak dirge
And I am thus a chad JIT compiler.
mighty storm
alright yall have fun
meager tusk
you never actually sent an example so we couldn't guage your question tbf
sometimes it's fine sometimes it's not ig
swift root
public static final String VARIABLETHATNEVERCHANGES = "proxi is cute"
that's the best use
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youre the best use
swift root
meager tusk
Wow. He used incorrect naming convention.
Not separated by underscores.
Can't believe this. Flabbergasted.
meager tusk
You forgot the equals..
meager tusk
Now I've passed with flying colors 
meager tusk
wow ok unknown token "proxi is cute" then
swift root
like my relevance
meager tusk
@minor badge you see this? he made that an unknown token
swift root
I've amended it
meager tusk
the compiler doesn't know!
swift root
can't have my love for proxi being unknown
meager tusk
public static final String PROXI_STATUS = "Awesome and Amazing";
See? I did it right.
Because I'm a ๐ฏ 1337 programmer hacker
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interface Lovable
object Idriz : Lovable ```
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swift root
public static final String UNCHANGING_UNIVERSAL_TRUTH = "Proxi is wonderful and I love Proxi";
vestal jasper
yeah you're an OBJECT
swift root
I did it best lmao
meager tusk
I'm not an object I'm A CLASS OF MY OWN
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object means singleton class
vestal jasper
@minor badge you're the most wonderful singleton on the earth
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idriz is one and he is eternal
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yos
vestal jasper
wow proxi ignoring me smh my head I'm going back to my devving
viral hornet
wow ok unknown token "proxi is cute~" then
I agree
meager tusk
we stan Proxi
swift root
petition to change 'stan' to 'prox' with the same meaning so we can get prox some more exposure
so we can once and for all prox prox
meager tusk
Aren't you the same person that made proxi an unknown token?
viral hornet
proxi
meager tusk
I don't know you
swift root
oh shush
meager tusk
swift root
it was a fatal error
meager tusk
I write code that works 100% of the time and never fails. Don't ask Michael though he'll spread propaganda
viral hornet
@twin lagoon ๐ฅบ
meager tusk
Proxi 
zealous wedge
nice, how is it?
zealous wedge
interesting
viral hornet
I played VR once and it really screwed with me haha. Didn't get dizzy, just felt really cautious of how much I was walking around.
quasi valley
hello coumm
quasi valley
that has a slightly different meaning in german
viral hornet
oh
HAHAHA
quasi valley
which I wouldn't be surprised you meant that as well, BUT 
twin lagoon
camm ๐ฅบ
viral hornet
How was sleep
twin lagoon
epic ๐ฅบ
viral hornet
that's epic ๐ฅบ
twin lagoon
my new phone arrives today
viral hornet
You got the new pixel, right?
twin lagoon
yes 
viral hornet
niice
I've had the Samsung Note for the past few years, but have considered the new pixel
vestal jasper
THAT REMINDS ME ty camm I got my goldeneye cart in the post today and I need to get it 
meager tusk
@twin lagoon 
viral hornet
You buy it for me ๐ฅบ
light raptor
anyone know if im allowed to continue making making the pokeballers texturepack since its discontinued?
viral hornet
Maybe check the license?
light raptor
where would i find the license?
twin lagoon
in the resource pack itself
usually a file called LICENSE in the root dir
i doubt many resource packs come with them
twin lagoon
๐ฅบ
light raptor
cant find any license file thing
twin lagoon
yeah i doubt most resource packs come with one
contact ther author
if you don't manage to come in contact you could probably just continue the resource pack & give credits
light raptor
wont let me message them
light raptor
thx
viral hornet
worn ember
morning
cosmic raft
livid swan
Countering Horizon's tactics should be as simple as using heuristics. A premium plugin that counters their (very simple) redstone/lag would be quite useful.
cedar spade
If you delete the whole project, you can make the README shorter which is always better
vernal bone
@grand pewter I never knew that....
https://twitter.com/SpigotDrama/status/1320304093588385793?s=09
Twitter
cedar spade
omg wow how dare pop
vernal bone
Chunky original code from Aikar 
potent fossil
well vivarium was straight up not worth the watch
vernal moth
finally a game that benefits from my wide screen
lmao
thats part of my fab to produce the dum level 20 shape
the part in the upper right ๐
vernal moth
no
fuck
I did a mistake
and copied it a billion times
lmao
can you spot it on the first img?
lemme zoom in
worn ember
i dont even know what any of this is
wide chasm
Are the bottom components (those 2x1s) not connected to the pipe thingy above?
I only played this for one hour or so, so idk
vernal moth
mfw doubled the production
the mistake is that the output of the right 2 stackers isn't reaching the belt
this is the fix https://i.imgur.com/cCKCJpr.png
wide chasm
Yeah, that's what I meant. I think. Stackers are the 2x1s, right?
limber knotBOT
@austere ivy post is approved now https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/360074120371
limber knotBOT
is that a 2D factorio clone? 
vernal moth
kinda
its similar
its fun
shapez.io has a online version thats a bit limited
game is 5 euro on steam
limber knotBOT
don't really have time for such games, lol
pretty sure I would sink hours/days into these
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Results: 10.67 hours, 10 hours 40 minutes - https://is.gd/HxFPQf
vernal moth
I brought the game on friday
limber knotBOT
oof
vernal moth
its open source tho
limber knotBOT
nice
limber knotBOT
god why is all of the xbox live website stuff so awful? they don't even manage to use their identifier system for their display names across the whole system
I mean they could at least display it properly on their very own profile pages... https://minecraft.ceo/โ/fPvqNy0O.png
twin lagoon
oddly enough i don't have that issue
it just shows my username without the numbers on that page
limber knotBOT
you probably had one before they added the identifiers
limber knotBOT
well that's before they added them
pretty sure it was at the start of this year or something
actually seems to be the middle of last year
or at least it was announced then
seems to be live since october? https://venturebeat.com/2019/10/21/xbox-live-gamertag-change/
also they might or might not only apply it to usernames that someone already has? although I'm pretty sure nobody had mine ๐
(or m aybe I just already made an account with that name and forgot lol)
quasi valley
that gamertag system has existed for a while now
it's just that even the newest games don't support it, so for example my name in Dungeons is KennyTV6739 (or any other 4 numbers, can't remember)
worn ember
nice
olive marlin
That guy in latest #old-forum-feed xD
waxen panther
pepega moment
olive garden
I keep wondering, are there any profitable MC servers that are not just a collection of minigames?
haughty bear
the pay to win [faction/survival/etc] ones
limber knotBOT
skyblock can probably be profitable without being too much pay to win
twin lagoon
@olive garden every gamemode thata is on minecraftservers.org with a high playercount
waxen panther
michwal 
limpid comet
even so they're not winning other than having a high number
well
depends on the server i guess
limber knotBOT
yeah, some servers give rewards for the highest level in a season or something
limpid comet
yeah those are the servers i don't like :p
i'm more interested in fostering a community when i get to skyblock
topaz mortar
Or just do p2w on 1.7.10 Mojang cannot block you. ๐คฃ
limpid comet
i was always wondering, does the eula apply to the server or the client (i.e. server running 1.7.10+protocol hacks, client on 1.16)
twin lagoon
both
limpid comet
alright
topaz mortar
If I'm not totally outdated 1.7.10 was pre Netty rewrite. So clientside server blocking doesn't do something.
Doesn't exist.
๐คฃ ๐คฃ
limpid comet
i finally secured my postgresql database 
twin lagoon
bought flight simulator premium deluxe 
time to regret this purchase within 24 hours
visual egret
ah yes, the program i open my JSON files with
sharp sentinel
Anyone happen to know the height at which entities that sit on armour stands are at?
Like, what's the "mount Y" on an armor stand
cedar spade
Wasn't the Netty rewrite 1.7?
waxen panther
i am the netty rewrite
worn ember
ur poop
limpid comet
be nice ded
waxen panther
ded 
worn ember
limpid comet
waxen panther
sharp sentinel
Netty rewrite was 1.3 I thought
I remember 1.2 being the last version before some major rewrite, and I feel like it was networking
limpid comet
wow, so long ago
i remember 1.3 coming out was the biggest thing to happen ever
desert temples!
sharp sentinel
I still remember beta 1.3 as being the biggest update tbh
beds and smooth lighting were such a game changer
oh, and repeaters
quasi valley
the first major update I remember was when jungles were added
limpid comet
my first introduction was 1.1 :p
quasi valley
I wasn't even aware of the concept of updates, so I thought I spawned in a secret biome because I entered a seed haha
limpid comet
missed the 1.0 release bandwagon by a few months
sharp sentinel
Players can no longer milk squids.
Smh beta 1.3 also removed the best feature
And this too,
Wood doesn't burn forever anymore.
cedar spade
#bringbackgears
topaz mortar
I remember 1.2 being the last version before some major rewrite, and I feel like it was networking
@sharp sentinel That was the server rewrite where Single player got local multiplayer server. Instead of real singleplayer as before.
Both wrong. :D
1.6.4 was pre-Netty, 1.7.x was Netty
limpid comet
ugh i'm an idiot
i just spent the past 20 min trying to figure out why itemStack.getItemMeta().getPersistentDataContainer().set(...) wasn't saving
forgot to set the item meta :p
really love how the spigot api, seemingly at random, switches between mutable and immutable
er, bukkit api i guess
cedar spade
Wasn't the Netty rewrite 1.7?
๐
Also, 1.2 was the "introduction" of Anvil
Though the world format has evolved several times since then
Also @quasi valley that was 1.2
I bought MC like a week before 1.2 came out lol
limpid comet
i got a PM on Roblox from one of my friends saying "hey.. prolly not gonna be on anymore since im playing minecraft" and he convinced me to get it
lol
good times
cedar spade
no u
limpid comet
they're adding what
cedar spade
Minecraft Open Source Software
cedar spade
yes
austere ivy
what are your guys' opinions on chearful.ninja? my friend is trying to use it but I've never heard about it so I dunno if it's trustworthy
leaden quiver
uhm how can I give myself a zombie spawner for example
vernal bone
Install essentialsx, and do /i spawnerzombie
meager tusk
@cedar spade wdym they'll add MOSS lol. add it to where?
limpid comet
they're adding moss to caves
limpid comet
moobloom ๐ฉ
leaden quiver
Install essentialsx, and do /i spawnerzombie
@vernal bone not working
limpid comet
"not working" means nothing
do you get an error message?
unknown command?
anything in console?
limpid comet
believe it's /i spawner:zombie
leaden quiver
limpid comet
then this is probably a question for essentialsx support discord
cedar spade
/i spawner then /spawner zombie is probably easier
There's a way to spawn a zombie spawner item but I don't recall what it is, iirc it's version-dependent
leaden quiver
i know about that but I want to make a reward for a crate
cedar spade
/i zombiespawner should work on 1.13+
hollow pilot
Is there some master list of MC server lists?
vernal moth
Lmao
Somebody managed to sneak in the git repo out youtube-dl into the dmca repo
Using the fact that github basically mirrors the state of a repo when you create a PR, but doesn't delete it you delete the repo you used to create the PR
cedar spade
Nice
limpid comet
limpid comet
implying RIAA will even figure this out
vernal moth
They would have to if they get another dmca (altho this wasn't an dmca in the first place, you get it)
Basically, bug Streisand effect
cedar spade
inb4 dmca repo gets dmca'd
cunning raft
they have 16 days from the first dmca to delete
since they need to wait for the chance of a counter notice
but it still shouldn't be able to be viewed like that tho
also that pr got nuked
vernal moth
It's not a dmca
They can't dmca since they don't own the copyright to the source
They argue the code is used to circumvent copyright protection
And thus is illegal
Which would be fun to test in court
But nobody will do that so they won
Which is a bit issue in itself
The ppl with money are more likely to win
As nobody tests them
Which is why it's important that epic fights apple
vernal moth
Maybe
That's up to the judge to decide
But not up to apple, which is the point
(and not up to epic for that matter)
vernal moth
But the judge also recognized apples toxic behavior
Idk, we will see, this ain't decided yet
waxen panther
lmfao that dyescape video
vernal moth
Dyescape community is amazing
void void
meanwhile, what would be the least painful way of comparing two brigadier root nodes?
i'm trying to band aid this useless command declaration packet sending
sending new commands on every respawn makes certain players disconnect
vernal moth
Comparing most likely is more costly than sending, lol
Command nodes are huge
Rather, check what would lead to a change
Aka, permissions and new commands registered/unregistered
void void
i'd rather spend some more time on server side than make players disconnect
vernal moth
So if player perm change, mark him for resending, if new commands gets added, mark all players for resending
void void
i guess if i think about it like this; then that might work ok
i'll just skip every command declaration packet but the one sent on server join; unless one of the cases you listed happens
vernal moth
I am not sure if those are the only things that would affect the command nodes, but it's a good start
Paper has a command send event, idk if that's cancelable
void void
i have protocollib installed anyway
void void
yeah
best i could do is clear the root command node, but that'd tell that there aren't commands pretty much (...?)
vernal moth
Idk what would happen
void void
so i'd be indeed better off cancelling packet sending using protocollib
crystal compass
Do yall think its better to have higher or lower Rank prices?
i've rank prices up to 325$ for like two years, and probably 18 people have bought the top rank
but like I almost wonder if prices were lower, there would be more ranks bought that would out perform the above
vernal moth
idk, do you think its fair to charge 325$ for a block game?
crystal compass
Nope
vernal moth
soooo, dont do it then
crystal compass
But when I made my server 2 years ago, I had copied some prices I saw somewhere
but now im down the road where like 200 people have spent over 150$ on ranks in my store so i cant just be like
ye im taking down the prices by 75%
next wind
Who tf is paying that much money for something they could lose in a second if they got banned or the server shut down
crystal compass
some people do honestly
my ranks went up to 200$ before but then some donators literally told me to make more ranks and add more stuff to them because they want to support the server
crystal compass
hahaha
vernal moth
if they want to support the server, no need to add actual perks
a simple "hey, this is my paypal" would work too
or itch.io style "pay what you want"
next wind
or even a patreon
crystal compass
but as I said im like stuck because I don't want to chince all the people that spent their money on high prices
but I want to lower them Lol
next wind
you could still keep an incredibly expensive role and boost everyone who bought one of the more expensive roles up to it while redoing the rest of the roles
cunning raft
Just make a sale that never ends
Put "1 WEEK ONLY 80% OFF THE STORE" in your MOTD
And never take it off
crystal compass
lmao
void void
the fucking spigot discord man
limpid comet
just make a "I paid an incredibly large sum of money years ago to this server" exclusive rank
give it all to them
then lower your prices
everyone loves exclusive things
finite herald
Is ServerListPlus v3.4.8 the most up-to-date version?
Or are most people using developmental builds?
meager tusk
@twin lagoon 
meager tusk
Sometimings
limber knotBOT
Aโidโanโ: you should always use latest dev build, especially if it is a good chunk newer than the latest release or if it has been around a long time
lean kiln
I linked him to your build
finite herald
@wheat quarry Thank you for the info! Do you not have private messages?
visual egret
making a forge mod for the first time in my life and i cannot figure out how to send a message from the client to the client
i wish it was as simple as bukkit/spigot/paper
zealous wedge
it is literally there's a addMessage or w/e on the LocalPlayer
Also forge has a discord, plus there are a few other modding community discords
vernal moth
Urg, why do movies need to have speech in other languages and then subtitle it?
Like, why does the bad guy need to speak russian and not just english with an accent
That would make the movie so much more enjoyable
I hate reading
visual egret
"realisim"
vernal moth
I wanna focus on the pictures
ashen cliff
Mute the sound and turn off the subtitles.
vernal moth
...
Also, these subtitles I can't turn off
They are embedded into the vid
They are not the additional ones I could enable
ashen cliff
Amazing. Absolutely amazing. So just like most Slav movies.
vernal moth
That's sometimes even worse, some films on netflix don't have subtitles if I watch them in english, then I can't understand non English stuff again
They would have german subtitles for the non dubbed stuff if I would watched it in german tho
Which makes me even more angry since nobody would want to hear german
It's a mess
So: directors shouldn't do ot
It adds nothing a good accent wouldn't add
Maybe it's lazy filming and they changing the script in post ๐ค
That would actually be genius
Unless you speak russian ๐
golden gust
meager tusk
biggus dickus 
vernal moth
Interesting
A ex ea qa lead works at mojang now?
Aaand he leaked waterlogged rains
See the can't repro pic, window title
vernal moth
Why do you bother? Lol
vernal moth
I think I sparked enough joy in there
limpid comet
you did
thanks mini
i should probably get back to working on my minigame now
i did have the genius idea of replacing my plugin messaging channels with redis
i think it would be far more versatile
but i don't want to fuck a system that already works
actually i do need to implement matchmaking
so i might play around with redis for that and eventually move the whole system over
OHHH Then i could store what servers are running in cache!!!
cosmic raft
@vernal moth where do you see Thommy as being from EA?
vernal moth
Take a look at jskill it you want skill based match making
@cosmic raft his last roles were on ea titles
But thinking about it, maybe he's a contractor
Idk if ea would hire a contractor as qa lead
limpid comet
jskill?
NO WAY
there's a sbmm library
wait
jskills?
i can't find anything mini
limpid comet
huh
vernal moth
True skill is the mmr algo msft wrote for xbll
limpid comet
trueskill algorithm
i'll look into that
thank you
probably gonna want to implement it myself since i assume there will be implementation-specific details for my usecase
limpid comet
mini wtf stop trying to steal my credit card https://i.imgur.com/zS23gjh.png
i don't know, that's why i'm assuming :p
i don't have any experience with it
vernal moth
You can do a frontend for it, like games like league do, the while leagues and divisions etc
But in the end it's just mmr
limpid comet
idek if i'm gonna do sbmm at the start
since our playerbase is gonna be very small
and also the game i'm working on rn doesn't really need it
super casual ๐
limber knotBOT
@finite herald I am not on Discord often and they don't seem to have an option to enable email notification about PMs and stuff
tropic flame
haha now Mojang accounts will merge into Microsoft accounts
just as I wanted to ditch my hotmail email forever
can't wait for GitHub accounts to become Microsoft accounts too /s
twin lagoon
you can create a microsoft account without signing up for outlook/hotmail
twin lagoon
y
tropic flame
i find it pointless
no one asked for it
it's just for the sake of a "unified experience"
olive marlin
A lot of people asked for it.
tropic flame
who
limber knotBOT
we asked for getting unified minecraft, mojang responds with forcing microsoft accounts but not providing a unified game
twin lagoon
who
anyone who wanted a secure account
and the same account for all mc games
the current mojang account system is literally a joke
limber knotBOT
accounts weren't insecure before, people just didn't secure them properly and input their login data into random sites because mojang doesn't provide oauth
twin lagoon
they're literally insecure
limber knotBOT
if mojang provides a xbox live account to mojang UUID mapping api (and if xbox live has oauth which I assume it has?) then it will be a bit better
doesn't matter in the end anyways, paper already supports third party auth services ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
I'm personally off-put by migrating (a second time) to Microsoft
mainly because my account I used to sign into bing got banned because I used my online name instead of my real name
Last thing I want is for MS to detect that, and automatically shut me off from the game I paid for
tropic flame
yeah lmao Mojang accounts made sense because there was a ToS just for Mojang
limber knotBOT
pretty sure they can't lawfully block a purchased product from you based on forcing you to provide them with your real name
tropic flame
now you'll also have to abide by Microsoft's rules
limber knotBOT
(which they already have anyways)
void void
doesn't matter if it's lawful or not -- I don't have lawyers to defend myself in the event it happens
waxen panther
Whoโs rules do you think youโre following right now lol
If Microsoft wanted to add more rules to mojang nothing was stopping them
limber knotBOT
just use whatever name you used to purchase the game and you will always proof ownership
twin lagoon
oh no the horror of abiding by microsoft's rules!
void void
Sure, but the TOS for microsoft accounts would be different than Microsoft accounts
limber knotBOT
who cares about getting doxxed by toxic 2b2t kids anyways?
limber knotBOT
then just give them whatever real name that purchased the account ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
the past is the past -- even if I wanted to change my real name, the account (along with any metadata tracing the account to me) is already marked forever
tropic flame
Whoโs rules do you think youโre following right now lol
@waxen panther https://account.mojang.com/terms?ref=ft these ones
and now i'll have to follow these ones: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/copyright/default
tropic flame
wait this is intellectual property
void void
the problem is whether they see the new migrated account connected to my old banned account in any way
tropic flame
anyway this is the only link i find lol
waxen panther
lmao
twin lagoon
the mojang account terms contain literally nothing besides them telling some basic rules about returns, refunds & cancellations
and telling you to not hack the site
limber knotBOT
doesn't matter, mojang signed a contract when you purchased the game from them. microsoft inherited it. IF that contracted included unlimited access to their account system/auth servers ("online mode") then they need to provide that or refund
(no idea if that is even in the statement when purchasing minecraft though lol)
void void
btw, is this migration automatic, or will I have to do it within a set time limit?
limber knotBOT
(or granted to you by applicable laws like consumer protection by implication of what the purchase page/product info says I guess)
void void
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limber knotBOT
according to them you have to manually link your account
and at some point you are forced to to login (at least according to their FAQ)
wat
how about removing the escapes
cosmic raft
escapes?
limber knotBOT
\
cosmic raft
Now I'm even more confused
limber knotBOT
dis4irc auto pastes too long chat messages
cosmic raft
yes
limber knotBOT
apparently that adds escapes
zealous wedge
might be deleted message?
limber knotBOT
well discord has these stupid features that can rewrite history
zealous wedge
@visual egret said something
cosmic raft
indeed
and they wrote it with escapes too phoenix
[\"\",{\"text\":\"[\",\"bold\":true,\"color\":\"white\"},
limber knotBOT
I highly recommend removing the permissions to edit and delete messages before it bites you into your ass lol
zealous wedge
i'm sure they have a log of changes
cunning raft
you can't do that
limber knotBOT
wat
zealous wedge
the only perm is for delete other people's messages
cunning raft
discord is dumb
limber knotBOT
and why do people use this piece of crap?!?
cunning raft
but that is dumber
why would you remove delete and edit perms
that's mega-stupuid
limber knotBOT
why would you allow people to delete and edit messages without any kind of history?
even freaking facebook has a history of edits
cunning raft
because they don't want to store logs of deleted messages
cosmic raft
We have a log
cunning raft
and yeah thats left to bots
zealous wedge
because discord isn't designed for large communities lol
cunning raft
lul
limber knotBOT
I guess, yeah
but they should start learning that they are used by large communities lol
zealous wedge
edit messages is super nice if it's just you in a chat with your friends
twin lagoon
why would you allow people to revoke the permission to edit & delete messages
zealous wedge
but once the general public is involved it's bad
limber knotBOT
that's why they should just offer a permission and done
limber knotBOT
it's extremely easy to make someone look like an ass if you allow edit/deletion without any kind of indication that there was a message there
tropic flame
lul pls remove permissions from superior system because inferior system cannot keep up
ok
limber knotBOT
and in the times when
cunning raft
there's an (edited) tag pheonix
limber knotBOT
why are we having this conversation again?
tropic flame
^
limber knotBOT
the internet just jumps on any bandwagon...
twin lagoon
the edited tag is plenty
twin lagoon
edit history would be ideal but i kinda like not having the original message
limber knotBOT
sorry that I care about people having proper conversations and not being able to revise history
cunning raft
if we edit messages like this phoenix can't see them
twin lagoon
who the fuck cares about edit history when you're trying to have a proper conversation
cunning raft
because he's an irc frog
twin lagoon
excuse me jroy but i cannot have that conversation with you
there is no edit history
limber knotBOT
it's insane how capitalist companies are allowed to do the exact same thing as the soviet uniion did back in the days
cunning raft
DID YOU GET THERE
limber knotBOT
revising history is something that shoudl never be allowed
not under any circumstance
this is...
cunning raft
holy shit this is another EU GPL phoenix rant
cunning raft
never
limber knotBOT
it's pretty insane how a stance for freedom and liberty is controversial nowadays smh
cunning raft
the point was to blockade the phoenix armchair legal services
limber knotBOT
people just like to be inside their own bubbles and don't want anyone to pop them
cunning raft
yes
limber knotBOT
i mean we all know discord is bad
limpid comet
im kinda with Pheonix here 
twin lagoon
@swift root uwu
limber knotBOT
I'm not whining, I'm just extremely surpsised they don't even offer such a basic permission
limpid comet
yeah idk why you can't disable edits
tropic flame
what if a user didn't mean to entire a message
@cunning raft tHeY ShOuLd'Ve tHoUgHt bEfOrE SeNdInG
ok he said it himself
limpid comet
itd be nice if every message was stored as a git commit
tropic flame
I didn't even have to
cunning raft
pepega fucking hammer
tropic flame
itd be nice if every message was stored as a git commit
where can I sign this down
change.org petition now
tropic flame
waxen panther
pepega irc moment (edited gang ๐)
limpid comet
does anyone wanna handle the rest of my servers development for me
ty
No way broccol.ai just trolled irc normies
waxen panther
itโs a real discord moment
limpid comet
guys I have a crush on phenix 
waxen panther
guys I do NOT have a crush on Phoenix or ANY irc users.
cunning raft
please stop acting communist by editing your messages
tropic flame
I am not a communist.
cunning raft
think before you type and don't drink and drive
limpid comet
Pheonix doesn't know 
๐ฅฐ๐ฅฐ
tropic flame
imagine having a crush in 2020
zealous wedge
mm 
finite herald
@wheat quarry I did PM you if you aren't too busy to quickly check it 
limpid comet
If you didn't have an SO by the start of 2020 you definitely don't have one now
waxen panther
gamer moment
vestal jasper
Soviets breathed guise we can't breathe anymore it's illegal !
And back to lurking bye
limpid comet
I did at the start and now 
waxen panther
waxen panther
Sorry Iโm out spreading my communist ideals by editing messages in other servers
cosmic raft
zealous wedge
waxen panther
Iโm sorry Vic
vestal jasper
People keep erasing them and then I write uwu in them again
waxen panther
One of my friends has started saying pog
I donโt know what Iโve done
Ruined a man.
zealous wedge
p*g
vestal jasper
Lol
waxen panther
pog is an ILLEGAL word.
zealous wedge
uwu
vestal jasper
Pog uwu
worn pasture
owo
limber knotBOT
@finite herald as I said: I am rarely online on discord. just post it on whatever project issue tracker/discussion thread it belongs to or email me/write me a spigot/paper forum/irc pm
finite herald
limpid comet
What about a fax, Pheonix
worn pasture
carrier pigeon
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
fax is a waste of paper
feel free to send one to my email I guess if you really need to hand write something ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vestal jasper
@worn pasture honestly fan of the unladen swallow method. Tie a string between two swallows. They can migrate about a coconut's worth of weight that way.
That's how I send my parcels anyway
vestal jasper
novel horizon
@sick kettle works for me, try it updated just to be sure ๐คท
sick kettle
k
its probably a plugin then
arghh
why do I have so many plugins downloaded reee
worn ember
spigot in a nutshell
waxen panther
BREAKING CHANGES R ILLEGAL
vestal jasper
DID I HEAR BREAKING CHANGES?
true canyon
break ALL the things!
pseudo solstice
that moment when someone says "Its zero degrees outside right now" and you use kelvin instead of farenheit
๐ฅถ
novel horizon
everything just freezes ๐คท
mighty storm
Everything is 0k
limpid comet
๐คจ
mighty storm
Actually In space it doesn't even get that cold lol
upper flicker
you could screenshot just that message without any context and post it to reddit for karma
unique snow
Isn't it easy to do a breaking change between minor minecraft versions. People usually have to update their plugins anyway right?
I suppose then they'd have to have support for prior to the breaking change
true canyon
Plenty of plugins can continue working across several major version updates.
unique snow
Never mind I guess.
If the breaking change is worth it then maybe, otherwise it makes sense to avoid them
upper flicker
one of bukkit's largest success stories is also why it's such an antiquated pain in the ass
it does not break things
now that isnt quite an absolute, and certainly hasnt been since spigot took over
cunning raft
and then mix in NMS (not that's its bukkits fault but)
upper flicker
but by and large, bukkit does its best to avoid breaking changes
unique snow
Yeah it makes sense, if the interfaces change between 1.16 and 1.17, people who use that interface will have to either have different plugins for each or a method to handle each.
zealous wedge
or just use a little bit more reflection :p
unique snow
eww
flint heron
Does Waterfall have support for servers with mods?
upper flicker
some sort of limited support
bungee + forge fight over part of the handshake packet and neither side will budge so I think that may not even be the case anymore
flint heron
hmm...
waxen panther
z750 is our lead irc bot bridge technician
flint heron
And do you know who could help me with this question?
upper flicker
cat can whenever he's around and not sleeping presumably
waxen panther
Docker moment inbound
limpid comet
My proxy (Velocity), my "server bootstrapped", and the servers themselves
waxen panther
:^(
limpid comet
The bootstrapper (written in Go) spins up and kills Docker containers (which are various preconfigured minecraft servers), assigns them to an overlay network, and informs the proxy about it
upper flicker
:^o
unique snow
That sounds cool
limpid comet
The proxy then figures out where the player needs to go on connect, listens to plugin messages to send them to other servers, and stores info about player counts and stuff
Though I'm going to be improving this system with Redis soon
waxen panther
you could write minecraft 2 with the amount of effort docker users put in
unique snow
I plan on doing similar with my waterfall image (or velocity when I move to it).
I'm currently running off k8s, which primarily exists in my home, but I have 3 nodes in the cloud (using weave).
limpid comet
I plan to use k8s at some point, but we've only got one node so there's no real point to invest a lot of time into it
- I think it will take less time to learn all the stuff I need for k8s now that I already know docker
unique snow
I'll probably make the go binary for waterfall/velocity use the official k8s bindings to interact with the cluster directly.
limpid comet
(forgot to mention: the proxy, db(postgresql) and bootstrapper all are ran via docket compose)
unique snow
Yeah k8s probably only makes sense with multiple, I do more than just MC which is why I use it.
limpid comet
We definitely plan to expand in the future
unique snow
Postgresql, nice.
limpid comet
And I was initially going to learn k8s or something
But it wasn't really time efficient since we haven't even launched yet
viral hornet
@waxen panther https://i.imgur.com/2evjnYZ.png ๐ฅบ
unique snow
My preferred DB.
limpid comet
Just wanna get something out the door, then when we have paying players we'll decide when/where we need to expand
waxen panther
๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ
limpid comet
Yeah psql has been treating me nicely
waxen panther
where is that
potent fossil
Ok I'm done with Vivaldi
waxen panther
yes itโs bad
potent fossil
Back to Firefox for me
waxen panther
Firefox or brave
unique snow
When you do, make sure you learn the kubeadm vanilla way first, all the other flavors make it easier, but understanding the components that make up a cluster is really important
potent fossil
Viv was ok for a little bit, but a lot of it was just unbearable
limpid comet
Yeah, that's a good point
upper flicker
wasnt brave the one with the tokens
waxen panther
Mozilla are having a bit of a moment atm so, staying with brave for now
potent fossil
i dont know much about brave
waxen panther
Yeah I turned all that stupid shit off
limpid comet
I have getting started with k8s book
potent fossil
but i know they do Basic Attention Tokens crypto
limpid comet
It's a very good read
potent fossil
Idk what they do really
upper flicker
all that extra stupid shit brave does pretty much immediately turns me off of them
zealous wedge
firefox will be fine for the near future i'm sure
cunning raft
brave is a blockchain scam
waxen panther
Iโd like brave if their logo wasnโt so stupid
zealous wedge
it'll be a few years down the road that ff stops being relevant if mozilla entirely fails
cunning raft
anything with blockchain = run the fuck away
upper flicker
what if we just bring back netscape
zealous wedge
we should bring back the full mozilla suite as one app
potent fossil
Vivaldi has built-in adblock but no easy way to disable it without opening its convoluted as hell settings window and trying to find the block toggle and turning it off. When trying to add an exception, there is an option in there when if clicked it just adds a JS Object to the exception list (bug where they dont deconstruct the object)...
zealous wedge
but actually what we should bring back is IE for mac
potent fossil
Then, beyond that, it's just slow as hell.
zealous wedge
that was a fun browser
upper flicker
lol
unique snow
I've always been a Firefox boy myself, did use Chrome for a while due to work, but I got really turned off them due to their choices in the last couple years.
zealous wedge
used a whole different engine than ie for windows iirc
zealous wedge
lol yeah
upper flicker
just without the apple paying them to do it thing
novel horizon
Vivaldi โค๏ธ
potent fossil
I forgot how fucking nice mac is, because I'm not really using it (don't go to campus for school atm...or, go anywhere for that matter). It just sits on my shelf.
waxen panther
vivaldi weird
waxen panther
Vimb is the only true browser
upper flicker
unfortunately they're doing the same shit they always do with it
potent fossil
tf is vimb
waxen panther
vim browser
potent fossil
kekw
unique snow
Lynx is the true browser