yeh he and choco and a bunch of other people had a shit fest ๐ฌ
#general
void void
serene bolt
he just rage quit over in spigot too, that's why he came over here 
void void
I had my popcorn ready, wasn't about to miss out on that action ๐
potent fossil
figured as much, just didnt want to flame him as im not in the mood
potent fossil
people not being satisfied with spigot so leaving and coming here?
absolutely yes
and then they get mad because we have rules too
serene bolt
people get banned in paper, go over to spigot
people get banned in spigot, go over to paper
happens allllll the time :P
kind surge
ooof
serene bolt
Spigot discord became the "wiz ban appeal" section for awhile
potent fossil
lol
kind surge
ouch lol
potent fossil
also they seem to think that staff on spigot hate staff on paper and vice versa
but there are multiple spigot staff in here...and vice versa....
so ... like...
kind surge
why do they think that?
potent fossil
because they're stupid
serene bolt
that's always the tldr; to everything - people are dumb
kind surge
like i am when it comes to command blocks -.-
lean kiln
hi can anyone take a quick second to tell me why my command block is telling me only in-game players can use sell. i'm trying to set up a admin shop using only command blocks with /sell hand
it's saying only a player can execute that command @kind surge
kind surge
...
lean kiln
you can use the minecraft:execute command
and the @p selector to run as the closest player
but theres probably a better solution for whatever your doing
kind surge
ty
limpid comet
I've been storing my statistics in my per-game collection, but now I'm thinking they should go into a separate stats collection
So I don't have to load the full userdata doc to get their stats per game
Hmm
limpid comet
Will an enum values() always return the same order?
limpid comet
cool
Yeah understood
I finally learned how to use enum values (giving it arguments and such) and it's made my life 400% easier
peak dirge
I hate IPv6 now
serene bolt
I'm glad you responded promptly to a message from yesterday
mighty storm
sorry, at the time i was not okay, but i am now
potent fossil
ily chew
mighty storm
lily?
potent fossil
NO I SAID I LOVE YOU 
serene bolt
you're only supposed to use those words with someone you really care about
potent fossil
your point
serene bolt
๐
potent fossil
wat
pseudo pilot
pirated from his patreon onto spigot resources
pseudo pilot
lol i see
pseudo pilot
f
serene bolt
technically no but I can do whatever a resource staff can, just not my primary goal
mighty storm
I agree why do people care about me
potent fossil
idk who dream is
pseudo pilot
popular youtuber
mighty storm
oh dream's that dude who fucked the mob vote right? pirate away
potent fossil
@mighty storm cuz ur COOL
serene bolt
report it with proof that it's taken from there and I'll handle it
pseudo pilot
lol i see
i mean he literally includes the link
to a patreon pirating website and the plugin's listing
serene bolt
so there's your proof! report it :P
pseudo pilot
lol yeah done
also whats the relationship between spigot and paper
are like staff from spigot part of paper?
pseudo pilot
oh
pseudo pilot
do spigot devs hate paper?
potent fossil
they just...are
pseudo pilot
lol
potent fossil
i guess some do lol
pseudo pilot
i see
potent fossil
but it's not like, this or that
pseudo pilot
wat
mighty storm
ohh
pseudo pilot
i assumed it was multiple people who developed spigot
serene bolt
don't forget about md_1 through md_5
mighty storm
so dev + contribs
potent fossil
md_5 + thinkofdeath for a while, now md_5 is the main guy and there are contributors
serene bolt
md_5 is the primary developer, thinkofdeath was also a main developer for a long time
slim nymph
'developed' is not the right word. I am a developer of spigot even ๐
pseudo pilot
oh
potent fossil
as i said, all contributors are considered devs
slim nymph
in the past lol
serene bolt
yep
pseudo pilot
lol i see
mighty storm
Aikar Spigot, "developer of spigot" - Aikar 2020
slim nymph
but "project maintainers"
mighty storm
sign away your rights, pr code changes
slim nymph
be 18 and sign a CLA
pseudo pilot
oh
mighty storm
+ >be me
+ >18
+ >signs cla
+ >can view and pr spigot code
+ >mfw i have to give md_5 equal ownership to do with it as he pleases too
+ >contribute to paper instead```no you do own the code still chew
you just give md5 equal ownership to do with it as he pleases too
mighty storm
there u go
slim nymph
the cla isnt bad, its just a hinderance for a community filled with minors who legally cant sign it
mighty storm
def prevents people from making 4 readme prs
slim nymph
big companies all use CLA's too, to PR to mojang gotta sign CLA
mighty storm
i thought that was NDA
slim nymph
no
mighty storm
both?
slim nymph
no lol
mighty storm
darn
slim nymph
yo ucan go PR to DFU or brigadier
the CLA just helps a company be able to legally change a projects license if they wish
without a CLA, EVERY contributor must agree
mighty storm
ohh youre talking public code
slim nymph
good bye life destroying game
mighty storm
you can join communities?
slim nymph
its called subreddits
zealous wedge
same, spigot has my contributions
mighty storm
didn't know you could join them, what does joining do?
zealous wedge
but i've not signed their CLA :p
slim nymph
which is another pointless part of the cla, since the entire project isnt cla'd, it has no value
mortal zinc
i have signed it, just haven't done anything since ;p
slim nymph
@mighty storm just to decide what shows on home page
zealous wedge
like i'll never contribute to spigot as long as i have to sign the CLA
mighty storm
there's a home page? man i must be uncultured
mortal zinc
md_5 has interesting reasons for doing some things
zealous wedge
i mean i know why he has the CLA
mortal zinc
i must be one of the most vocal critics of spigot (others are probably worse but don't voice their opinions)
mighty storm
good luck getting Nathan Adams to sign cla buddy
serene bolt
lol I can assure you there much more vocal critics
mortal zinc
or they do, just they temper their heat
ah
well i'm sorry if i've... caused some stir in the spigot discord
so easy to do that when a community such as this one has policies i'd deem more sensible than spigot's, yet they also have a fair share of the market in server usage
something that really gets me laughing is when paper removed the outdated build delay, was just fixing stuff
"sec, fixing md_5's code"
fallen oracle
Wait Aikar, you're done with ARK?
But that was like a while phase that we knew you by. You were Aikar the ARK guy
mortal zinc
@serene bolt does it get worse than heated conversations?
serene bolt
I thought he was the flags guy
serene bolt
idk vector, basically most conversations involving spigot and paper in them are usually heated or drama in some way, I don't give them attention
slim nymph
i quit ark ages ago
im playing more storyline singleplayer games now, you know games i can control my playtime of better lol.
and bounce between things to do
fallen oracle
Like what? FactorIO?
fallen oracle
No
mighty storm
mbax it's midnight isnt it why are you still up
fallen oracle
Oh I think I have witcher 3
mighty storm
oh lol
slim nymph
last game was red dead 2
mighty storm
I got trained on ARK servers a bit, turns out segmentations faults exist, a lot
fallen oracle
Oh yeah
slim nymph
only way i could play ark again is if it was my own server or single player
but running your own server is super expensive becasue you need now 13? servers
mighty storm
13 servers what
fallen oracle
Oh wow
slim nymph
lol nope
mighty storm
not pog
fallen oracle
slim nymph
ark loads the entire world into memory even if noones there
fallen oracle
Oh lord
mighty storm
no keep-spawn-in-memory: false??
slim nymph
entities tick the entire time even when noones near
so dinos can raid your ass while you arent on
mighty storm
this sounds like shitty fork of cb or smth
slim nymph
players stay in the world when you log out too
so on servers you gotta lock yourself in your house even on pve servers or people will drag your body into ocean to kill you and steal your shit
people also drag Giga's onto your base in PvE
Gigas = the most OP dino in game
can destroy stone
mighty storm
never played ark, dont even think it's for mac
mighty storm
ohh yeah i am not any lick of anything above casual lol
mighty storm
unless speedrunning a casual game, that i'll do more
slim nymph
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/aikar/video/78824762 this was one of the most "elitist" things I had done lmao
mighty storm
also had a mike and ike today, turns out theyre just jelly beans
rose lion
ark loads the entire world into memory even if noones there
Oh god that's why memory is high all the time lol
slim nymph
stealing those eggs is one of the most risky operations to do there. you hear radiation sounds cause entire area is radiated, super deep under ground, that a normal non "end game" gear you gotta have a radiation suit.
Well once you snatch that egg, every one of those dinos in a wide area nearby all start running towards you.... if they hit you, and your suit breaks, and you dont have a replacement part to put on INSTANTLY, dead
but once you get full TEK gear, it protects you from radiation too, and you can fly around instead
rose lion
Do you like the whole titan stuff from extinction?
slim nymph
i actually only did the final ultimate titan lol, others did the leg work, we had a huge community event for the big one
that was an intense fight
rose lion
Never got to do them, got too busy with the supply drops, they are so fun
slim nymph
watch that vid
trying to command an army of gigas for that is painful. theres so many gigas there that cant send them all ,not enough room, hence why you see many sitting still
rose lion
That looks awesome, always only played on a private server with my fiance, must be really nice to do it with a big group like that
slim nymph
it was a good server until the admins turned into dicks and ruined it
thats why i quit ark, tired of constantly losing my shit
they wiped the server
rose lion
Oh god, reminds me of when i tried playing on an official, never again xD
slim nymph
but yeah for that event had to raise up sooo many gigas, then go out and level up every single one of them a decent bit too
so much work
gigas took like 2 days on those rates
then most of them die in the event
rose lion
We had an army of like 30 high mutated vellanosours, its so much fun but they crashed the game all the time
slim nymph
so after that battle i just linked, pretty epic to beat the biggest boss in the game right and have your implant show that?
well my entire tribe suffered character loss after character loss so we all lost our record
mighty storm
Being owner on a github org is like having administrator on discord right? just full access to everything?
slim nymph
watch my video to end to see the ending @rose lion ๐ well pre genesis
rose lion
Yes was watching ;p
That is pretty cool
Didn't know it wiped everything once you beat it
Extinction was such a good map, still have to try genesis
slim nymph
that was a bug, once you relog youd (hopefully) be back to your char
but youd still have the lvl 1 dud corpse laying there
rose lion
Oooh okok, ofc it's a bug, it's ark after all xD
slim nymph
happened to us on both gamma and alpha king titan (we skipped beta)
or least i think we did?
rose lion
I think the only "bosses" i did was the lava golem and the ice worm queen, but they aren't exactly bosses
Cheesed the queen so much, we put baby dinos in the hole on the cave then let them grow inside so we could take mounts to fight it
slim nymph
I uh didn't play around with breeding
rose lion
Anyways i gotta head to bed, nice talking ;p
Kinda feel like o should play ark again and beat the titan now xD
slim nymph
guess i did do beta ๐
as you can see @mighty storm dinosaurs != primitive stuff lol. you go from primitive tech to modern to future "tek"
https://old.reddit.com/r/steak/ is my new favorite subreddit
chrome quest
Is there a plugin that I can use to tell and generate certain chunks for me?
slim nymph
funny but bad advise ๐ฆ
one day this "change your passwords often" bullshit will end
left swift
Put them in an online book
slim nymph
it is no longer recommended to force password resets, as it encourages weaker passwords
unreal quarry
.g xkcd password strength
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unreal quarry
runs away
slim nymph
dat username
slim nymph
nothing is
wide citrus
chunk generation?
slim nymph
single threaded still
wide citrus
ah dang
slim nymph
doesnt run on main but still single thread per world
wide citrus
potent fossil
yea, i figured it was some package
wide citrus
I made the package 
wide citrus
not a neckbeard, just an enthusiast
wide citrus
potent fossil
if i ever reach that level of sad i hope someone will shoot me
wide citrus
I sincerely hope I never have to meet someone like you irl
potent fossil
literally also running arch, just dont need to tell everyone via discord rich presence https://owo.whats-th.is/5yxoXzk.png
wide citrus
I just think its neat
potent fossil
aight
left swift
Simp angry boomer mode tonight
left swift
Havent been here in forever how u been simp
potent fossil
you were literally here yesterday
vestal jasper
he's always an angry boomer don't mind him
think of him as your war vet grandpa who says random incoherent shit about the war and ignore him :^)
wide citrus
why is neofetch 100mb
wide citrus
heh, gnome
potent fossil
yeah, it's easy to use
wide citrus
that be tru
indigo bone
Anyone knows about any plugin that allows players to buy land with in game items like diamonds or netherite
left swift
Maybe
indigo bone
You know about such a plugin?
unreal quarry
.g spigot plugin buy land with in game items like diamonds or netherite
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potent fossil
unreal quarry
i tried
indigo bone
xD
so anyone knows? like i dont want to add economy to my server, its a big pain in the backside
limpid comet
pretty sure there's vault-compatible plugins that let you use items as econ currency
idk just do some research into it
tame pendant
Essentials + Vault
indigo bone
i have both essenstials and vault but cannot find something that can allow me to make certain land areas and allow players to buy/rent that land in exchange of diamonds/netherite
limpid comet
if you're looking to sell certain land areas, idk of any of the top of my head, might be in the realm of making a plugin on your own
but i know the Lands plugin can do land creation and tax/rent
Factions can do that too IIRC
indigo bone
i have never made a plugin so have no experience regarding making one ๐
limpid comet
do some research into either Lands or Factions
and i know there's plugins that let you use items as vault currency
indigo bone
maybe ill make one plugin and post it for others who might be looking for it if i dont find what i am hoping for.
limpid comet
make sure to release source if you do ๐
indigo bone
yes ofc, people wont trust a plugin whose code they cannot see ๐
wide citrus
everyone that uses windows:
indigo bone
huh?
wide citrus
most popular closed source software ever
indigo bone
xD
limpid comet
releasing code for your plugins helps the community
if someone wants to learn, reading other code is super useful
wide citrus
does the official bedrock server have any modding / plugin capabilities whatsoever
zealous knot
About time tbh
wide citrus
heresy
potent fossil
careful you'll trigger the ultimate arch user
wide citrus
or the insecure arch user
potent fossil
bad bait
zealous knot
You literally need natural talent to navigate vim, the rest of us plebians donโt really care about it
wide citrus
it's honestly not that hard to get started with the basics
you can get the hang of it in a matter of minutes
it's just slowly learning more stuff from there
minor badge
vim is very unlikely to die unless emacs makes some big move or some other editor comes storming
potent fossil
uwu pwoxi
wide citrus
oh yes emacs os
minor badge
uwu simp
potent fossil
thats right im a simp for proxi and im proud
indigo bone
I have worked in Java for many years, mainly in elctronics like automation and automated robotics, but never made anything like a software/plugin. How much time do you think should take me to learn and finish coding that plugin i was talking about?
potent fossil
if you know Java and you know how to read JavaDocs, and you know a build system like Maven/Gradle, you can learn how to make a plugin in like 30 minutes
Getting a feel for the API is another story
Because it's not a greatly designed API
But... beyond that
It's not hard
minor badge
youre hard simple ๐ผ
indigo bone
I have experience with javadocs but less with maven and gradel repos. hmm lets see
potent fossil
just use maven, all you need to know how to do to get a basic setup is add the paper repo and add the paper dependency
then you can just go code
minor badge
you got experience w something like cmake/qmake/etc?
indigo bone
no ๐ค
minor badge
ah heck
just think of it as a factory worker; tell it how to get its materials (repositories), and which to use, and it'll work 
also feel free to ask here if you need help
limpid comet
proxi is being so nice
minor badge
knenwald ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ
quasi valley
minor badge
limpid comet
๐ฅฒ
indigo bone
i think i am gonna nail it pretty quickly
minor badge
|?kick kneny horny jail ๐ก๐ก
quasi valley
but I don't want to go to your place, proxi 
twin lagoon
kneny ๐ฅบ
quasi valley
I'm Proxi's Number 37 Simp
minor badge
some plugins rarely need updates, others need em often
potent fossil
@indigo bone no, if you dont touch internal code then most of the time the api doesnt even change. if it does, then you just gotta update small parts
indigo bone
sweet
twin lagoon
@minor badge 
minor badge
indigo bone
eh people here getting wierd day by day... too many simps ๐ ||jkjk||
<------ Tell me who didn't vote for this.
quasi valley
everyone who's right in their mind of course
minor badge
the majority lol
limpid comet
i voted
indigo bone
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
limpid comet
and i'm proud
indigo bone
I voted and I am proud too
minor badge
glow squid gang ๐
indigo bone
But seriously? ---> 
I mean everyone was out of their minds or what?
minor badge
theyre gonna fuck up perf enough with the sculkers, no need making em do more
lean kiln
good thing modders will add the features mojang wont
doesn't even glow
limpid comet
unless you guys have some secret mojang NDA knowledge
twin lagoon
we don't
minor badge
mm we wouldn't be able to share such
limpid comet
90% of mojang discussions are just talks about glow squid PROVE ME WRONG
indigo bone
good thing modders will add the features mojang wont
What about paper users?
indigo bone
not every user/player is a modding geek ๐
i mean most people on my server dont even know there is a brightness setting in the video settings
limpid comet
lol
indigo bone
I have to put up announcements when optifine releases new version along with tweaking they can do
lean kiln
lol
limpid comet
948 issues?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
lean kiln
its not open source tho?
indigo bone
CMI is just the most amazin 15$ i have ever spent
lean kiln
is that just an issue tracker repo
limpid comet
yeah
minor badge
thats like pointing out theres trash in the bin
limpid comet
lol
i had great fun with CMI for like 5 minutes
and i immediately uninstalled it after realizing how trash it was
indigo bone
bruh what
my server rus on cmi i can say, its the best all in one plugin for me atleast
minor badge
@cedar spade uwu
vestal jasper
Here's the problem: All In One plugin
Jack of all trades, master of none
It does lots of things and it doesn't do any of them exceptionally well
viral hornet
All in one plugin?
indigo bone
Name me one what it dosnt do well?
viral hornet
Sounds like CMI ๐
quasi valley
CMI > everything
viral hornet
wrong
quasi valley
at least when it comes to issue count
indigo bone
it executes portal so beautifully
viral hornet
Kenny > CMI > everything
vestal jasper
You'll most certainly find individual plugins that do any given thing CMI does but much better and more polished.
Imagine spending tens of hours on a feature vs tens of minutes
indigo bone
ok name me one feature you dont like about CMI 
viral hornet
The fact that it's all thrown together and not modular
indigo bone
xD
vestal jasper
The fact that I have to deal with users bitching about how buggy it is every. single. day.
indigo bone
what changes do you wish it to have?
The fact that I have to deal with users bitching about how buggy it is every. single. day.
what lol? i have never had a single bug xD
vestal jasper
None. I have 0 plans to ever use it for the reasons I've explained above.
indigo bone
well varies from person to person, i would recommend CMI to almost everyone
potent fossil
@indigo bone futile conversation, CMI has this thing where:
- either you hate it so furiously that the single mention of anybody using it can cause you to foam at the mouth
or - you love it
so
indigo bone
xD
potent fossil
Vic is #1, you're #2
indigo bone
i love it yes
viral hornet
Simple is #papi ๐ฅบ
indigo bone
papi is life saver xD
vestal jasper
It's not even CMI specifically that I hate, I don't enjoy the concept of AIO plugins in general.
CMI just happens to be the one that causes the most headache for me.
indigo bone
eh what headache did u get? 
indigo bone
vestal jasper
I don't really feel like continuing the conversation and I've already explained why.
indigo bone
alright np.
potent fossil
told you
indigo bone
Some might think its not worth it some think its more than just a plugin. so cant debate on that
but in my opinion, its the best 15$ i have spent on my server
potent fossil
whatever works for you
median vapor
cough against the Mojang EULA cough
indigo bone
yep. Like i can customize each and everything as i like it with no branding of CMI or zrips
potent fossil
what's against the eula?
median vapor
Selling plugins
potent fossil
It used to be, but I'm pretty sure it's not anymore after revisions
median vapor
Plugins meet the definition of mods and according to the terms you must make mods available for free and without any charge
potent fossil
Well, take it up with spigot
Paper doesn't sell plugins and it's against the rules here anyway
But merely saying you bought one doesn't breach any law or rule, so...
No reason to bring it up at all besides to be a pedant
Right? :)
minor badge
@viral hornet ๐ฅฐ
median vapor
If you comply with and follow the Essential Requirements (in the Brand and Asset Usage Guidelines) and Naming Guidelines above, YOU MAY distribute or make available plug-ins and other bits and pieces of extended functionality etc. that you create (together, "Mods") for free and without any charge,
potent fossil
Did you just ignore what I wrote
median vapor
No, I get it
vernal moth
cough against the Mojang EULA cough
@median vapor please don't spread missinformation
vestal jasper
Tbf bringing it up may have been pedantic, but you did make a claim that selling mods may be legal now, and they were clarifying that your claim is likely false
vernal moth
Selling mods is explicitly allowed in the commercial usage guide lines
"You may make money from Mods as described below in the section, "Servers and Hosting.""
minor badge
just sell your time, suddenly its something mojang can control lol
vestal jasper
@potent fossil it's not paper if people aren't arguing over things that aren't worth arguing over
median vapor
What needs to be available for free and without any charge then?
potent fossil
Yeah, Vic, I just...don't have the time or energy to debate it. I was reasonably sure I was correct there, but just did not give enough of a shit.
But I'll let y'all inform him forcibly.
(or her)
vernal moth
It's just that if money is involved, you need to follow more rules
vernal moth
Those rules explicitly disallow the shit optifine is doing for example
median vapor
Capes and such
vernal moth
Jep
median vapor
As I understand it what it is saying is that you can sell access to a server that mods are on but you canโt sell the mods themselves
viral hornet
@minor badge ๐ฅบ
minor badge
camm
median vapor
I should probably do that at some point
viral hornet
proxi 
minor badge
how are u camm
vernal moth
I would make the case, the thing under mods references only the second list in the server section
Everything else doesn't make much sense
median vapor
Agreed, they need to be more explicit about what can be charged
vestal jasper
Likely easier said than done
viral hornet
Not to bad, last night of the weekend so hitting the gin hard again
median vapor
I mean obviously
viral hornet
How about you proxi
vernal moth
Just dont violate that list of rules and they will not care
vestal jasper
@viral hornet bourbon root beer floats.
median vapor
Well they donโt do much if you do violate the list of rules...
viral hornet
bourbon
no
vernal moth
They got bigger fish to send Scarry legal letters too
minor badge
im pretty alright
vernal moth
Cough mcm cough
quasi valley
mcm is poggers
median vapor
What even is MCM?
vestal jasper
dude BSB in some vanilla ice cream root beer is genuinely pretty good
viral hornet
I would link it, but don't want to be banned
vernal moth
Minecraft market
viral hornet
place
median vapor
Ah. Marketplace ripoff?
vernal moth
Where the worst of the worst of our community come together
median vapor
Spigot is bad now?
viral hornet
wdym now
vernal moth
Spigot forums are a marvelous place
median vapor
I mean I always knew the search was bad but...
vestal jasper
banned from spigot / paper?
have legally questionable stuff?
want to compile tuinity and sell it for money whilst adding almost nothing to it?
MCM's your friend
minor badge
it does have good use every so often though; some wonderful devs in desperate need of money go there sometimes
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vernal moth
Nice
quasi valley
14 weeks, well done Mini
viral hornet
Imagine how much you could have done to minimessage in 14 weeks 
vernal moth
That was the day after md5s monologue in spigotcord
potent fossil
median vapor
So itโs like that wretched hive of scum and villainy from Star Wars that I canโt spell
vernal moth
Imagine how much you could have done to minimessage in 14 weeks :POG:
@viral hornet I actually toyed a bit with something for MiniMessage this week
And I got next week off of work
Maybe I can finish that
viral hornet
I will pay you for fixesss!!!!
vernal moth
Basically, a new parser with 100% less regex
vestal jasper
@viral hornet his "toying" with MM fixes pretty much every single MM issue
viral hornet
That's hot
vestal jasper
by changing it under the hood fundamentally
viral hornet
almost as hot as kenny
vernal moth
But I also need to fix my rank in league
quasi valley
vernal moth
So there's that ๐
vernal moth
Ye
vestal jasper
I broke my LoL addiction years ago and I'm glad
vernal moth
Am gold 3 rn
viral hornet
okay back to &x&r&r&g&g&b&b
vestal jasper
@viral hornet btw latest version of Carbon added support for legacy colour codes in the plugin's messages
and TAB / KiteBoard style RGB
vestal jasper
yeah
median vapor
So explain to me what is so bad about Spigot apart from the search function?
viral hornet
I'm still waiting to get the all clear from you to update carbon
vestal jasper
kk
median vapor
Theyโve been pretty good as far as Iโve gone although I havenโt really used the forums
vernal moth
Again, that's smth of the past, I don't miss that place
I have like 10k posts on there
median vapor
And where do you go to download plugins if not Spigot?
vernal moth
11k actually
vestal jasper
well once Hangar is published and ready to use, we'll have that
also, DBO is still a thing
median vapor
Howโs that going, by the way?
viral hornet
I'm still worried about Hangar not getting near as much traction
vernal moth
Am "working" (really, other work, lol) on an alternative site that's better
viral hornet
But hopefully quality > quantity
median vapor
Well I canโt code so I probably wonโt post there but I will download from there whenever possible
By the way, is the Prism data logging plugin a good CoreProtect alternative?
vernal moth
The idea is that because it's a proper site dedicated to plugins, the experience will be so much better for everyone
viral hornet
This has to be the most disgusting (default) GUI I've ever come across: https://i.imgur.com/LstwIey.png
potent fossil
viral hornet
Yeah, it's painful haha.
void void
(don't forget that values() creates a new array every call too)
@zealous wedge wtf?
ok tbh makes sense
java arrays are always mutable
twin lagoon
@viral hornet cunt
twin lagoon
cunt
viral hornet
papi ๐ฅบ
twin lagoon
๐ฅบ
visual egret
guys is there some kind of api for downloads or do i have to scrape https://papermc.io
:/
green turret
Michael, let's talk XM4 and Black Friday.
So if they end up on sale on Black Friday, right, I think it's pretty certain that the price reduction is gonna be like 20 bucks at most, wouldn't you agree?
visual egret
yup
green turret
And if there are any decent savings to be had on cans, it would be some product that has been "out" for at least a year with a new model just out or about to be released? Black Friday is a strange concept in Denmark, because it's really just "a day where some things are on sale", not particularly "crazy" stuff.
visual egret
im making a script that automatically sets up a blank mc server on the newest version because its so annoying to set one up
green turret
I think I made one of those a while back, maybe in Python or Bash. I can find it if you want?
visual egret
it should be easy to make, and i can customise my server for my liking soo ill just do it myself
green turret
Sure thing
visual egret
thanks for the offer tho
twin lagoon
probably mule
visual egret
ill also give it a gui
green turret
Actually, the one I wrote is a little convoluted. It's part of a smoke test for right before a plugin release. It checks out a given branch, builds a plugin jar, spins up a temporary test server, with the jar in it and looks for ERROR lines to try to catch any startup crashes.
(the branch is for 1.8 and I cba really properly testing on 1.8, it's just "if it spins up, that's good enough")
visual egret
when java and c# take over your python
green turret
That mineflayer project is really sweet, though. I think I can simulate a real "install plugin, build arena, join arena, swing wildly with sword and die, leave arena" session with it. Would make for a pretty decent smoke test I think.
British colors!
green turret
smaht
visual egret
colour should be fg
green turret
It's spelled fourground in British English.
visual egret
leave me alone i cant help that im bri-ish
green turret
Ahahah
visual egret
NOOOOOO WHAT HAS C# DONE TO ME
green turret
Is that supposed to be a COMMENT in Python land?
green turret
Well, if it's any consolation, IntelliJ insists on using double-slashes for comments in my Terraform code, where it's also # like in Python. I don't understand why it does that.
cunning badge
Is anyone else unable to take screenshots with lightshot within IDEA?
It used to work but im unable to since the 2020 release
If I unfocus IDEA then im totally fine
green turret
I don't use lightshot, but do you guys also have that weird "i" on the project select screen?
visual egret
holdup let me load it
green turret
Ohh it's fixed in 2020.2.3 for me xD
visual egret
๐
cunning badge
Which screen capture tool are you guys using then?
wide chasm
Snipping Tool
runs
green turret
I am on macOS, so I just press that whatever key combo.
visual egret
Windows + Shift + S is superior to snipping tool
green turret
Cmd Shift 3 or 4
cunning badge
@visual egret Oh shit I didnt even know that existed
visual egret
its the best
ashen cliff
Not using ShareX.
visual egret
you can do seperate windows, square, shape, fullscreen capture
using the things on the top
and you can draw on it if you click the popup after taking it
- automatic copy
cunning badge
Thats neat
visual egret
yeah
cunning badge
Also: you can code plugins with python?
wide chasm
If you try hard enough
ashen cliff
GraalVM.
cunning badge
Yea I thought so. I bet its really error prone
wide chasm
GraalVM makes it easy, but then you need to, well, use GraalVM
next frost
Jython
viral hornet
@sharp sentinel felt #nutrition-science was going too off-topic xD
But it's fine, one day you'll get enough from WorldEdit to have your own office :))))))
sharp sentinel
lol that's very unlikely ๐
median token
Hello everyone, is there a channel where I can get help with plugin dev?
viral hornet
median token
thx
visual egret
how would i go around editing the server.properties in python
is there a way to parse it?
green turret
You should be fine just splitting by = and trimming the two parts per line.
minor badge
it can be a little worse than that
green turret
Doesn't the Python standard library have a .properties file parser? You might be able to just use an INI parser.
minor badge
visual egret
cool!
green turret
Aren't you just spinning up a new server and modifying a value or two?
visual egret
i just want to make a customisable server creator
green turret
I don't see anything in server.properties that would be impossible to parse this way. If you just split by first equals, you should be fine.
visual egret
@minor badge just sent a solution
green turret
Sure thing, if you want to bring in additional libraries.
visual egret
i dont mind dependencies
green turret
Even in Python?
visual egret
ok i got the api working
visual egret
it downloads the versions from the internet
so i guess thats one bit
now gotta get the .properties working
green turret
Why is it a button in a button!
limpid comet
lol yeah looks like a nested button or something
is this with tkinter or something?
green turret
Ahahaha, it's a perfectly good house of cards! Just a little duct tape and some hot glue! Nothing major!
visual egret
leave me alone im 13 im not the best programmer in the world ok
green turret
Not with that attitude you're not!
visual egret
angry noises
potent fossil
This is precisely why I'm no longer planning to become a programmer neither in an academic nor professional context
cedar spade
if it works
visual egret
it works
green turret
If you are new to programming, then try to incorporate a refactoring step in your workflow.
visual egret
ive been writing python for about 3 years now, not exactly new
green turret
Still can't make a button without an extra button though.
visual egret
i mean... thats just tkinter
cedar spade
Wait mule you mean you don't attach a debugger to your production instances and hot reload changes as you type!?!?
visual egret
potent fossil
Because other programmers physically cannot help from subscribing to one-up culture or demeaning newer programmers even if their intention is not to demean, and it's so toxic that most programmers end up hating their lives and I refuse to put myself into that situation for my entire life so I changed my major and will study other things
visual egret
started programming in python using one of these bois
before that, it was batch FTW
green turret
I told him "You have two choices now: reconsider, or sit through a 20 minute lecture". He's like "okay, I reconsider... so if I can't attach a debugger, how would I make the production code stop at my breakpoint?", and a 20 minute lecture followed.
A nice side effect of this encounter is that I can now just say "You have two choices" when he asks about something and he'll just be like "OK fine whatever" and everybody wins.
candid spindle
just like to inform you
that the pretouch arguement doesn't work on Docker
so it fails
potent fossil
??
candid spindle
Aikar's flags
potent fossil
it works fine.
green turret
A negative side effect is that I've become a bit of a meme at work. People usually avoid asking me what they consider simple questions. They sometimes start with "I just want a simple answer to this, no big explanation or anything", and then they get upset when I say "then the answer is no".
candid spindle
F
potent fossil
if you're talking about pterodactyl, it's because memory doesn't work like you think it does in the JVM.
There is overhead.
candid spindle
its docker but ok
potent fossil
If you have an 8gb server in pterodactyl, to use aikar's flags the server can only have 6gb.
candid spindle
yea
potent fossil
pterodactyl uses docker to run its servers...
potent fossil
it works fine, so idk what you're on about. you've misconfigured something
candid spindle
the Pretouch one just doesn't work for me xD
potent fossil
don't blame the flags for your incompetence
ornate spindle
kinda wish there was a dockerless setting for pterodactyl
ornate spindle
the panel is nice, but the overhead of docker is off putting
potent fossil
ok but i guarantee you the issue is not docker
it's probably the jvm image you're using
candid spindle
hmm
ok
Aikar knows what he is doing :)
he genius
I will try and reinstall the image
potent fossil
yes in the context of those flags he does. they are researched in extreme depth
candid spindle
it mgiht be because I updated to the RC edition
potent fossil
it works fine, I have servers running in docker with those flags incl pretouch just fine
candid spindle
the image probably failed to update maybe
chrome quest
Hello. Something has changed the despawn timer for netherrack and cobblestone and now I can't seem to find that setting anymore. Does anyone know what it might be?
worn ember
First
limpid comet
can vouch: aikars flags + docker works perfectly fine
vernal moth
Gotta make sure you run java11+, before the jvm had issues with docker stuff, not realizing it was running in a container
potent fossil
my containers are running java 8 and it still works fine
this is a question of misconfiguration, not of docker
user was simply too hasty to make the claim that wah wah wah it's docker's fault
cedar spade
but wah wah wah it's docker's fault
potent fossil
wah wah wah
void void
the panel is nice, but the overhead of docker is off putting
docker's overhead is not the issue
overhead is nonexistent
void void
that and ptero just does not manage to configure containers properly
potent fossil
yeah i requested a feature for more in depth container configuration options
you can change the image though, meaning you can almost configure it however you want
custom image, upload to registry
void void
used to maintain customized images
but since i don't use ptero anymore & have my own superior solution, then i archived the project lol
worn ember
its md's fault
void void
ur mds fault
worn ember
Are you saying md is my real dad?
potent fossil
does ur superior solution start with k and end with s and have 8 letters in between
potent fossil
such funny ded
vestal jasper
KurdumdedS
worn ember
wasnt even meant to be a joke but ok
heady spear
@vestal jasper ๐ณ
waxen panther
@vestal jasper ๐ณ
vestal jasper
Not in the mood my dumb cunt of a cat just fucking blew a fuse somehow and now my room has no electricity
potent fossil
@minor badge wat
minor badge
@potent fossil he abuses nix tools for everything smh
minor badge
nixos
potent fossil
oo
worn ember
r/catsbeingcunts lol
potent fossil
bruh ok
what are those fucking lights called they use for movie premieres and shit
the ones on the ground that move around in a circle
that shoot up in the sky
worn ember
the batman lights?
worn ember
yw
vestal jasper
Ok fused fixed.
limpid comet
aha
i finally fixed this bug
you can now switch between servers! i know, crazy feature
potent fossil
lol
limpid comet
was saving user data before switching a user to another server, but a subscriber was throwing an error that i wasn't printing... the only one i forgot to print :p
so it wouldn't complete the rest of the process
potent fossil
noice
cosmic raft
hi
potent fossil
hi kash bby
mossy vessel
heyo 
heady spear
hi kashhhhh <333333
minor badge
hewo kazik
limpid comet
would there be any reason to not execute commands from a plugin? context being, an admin interface of sorts where i can remotely execute commands
agile portal
hacky
potent fossil
nice
viral hornet
good morning simple
potent fossil
wassap mauh dude i havent slep yet
viral hornet
oh goodnight simple
potent fossil
no
viral hornet
spoon ๐ฅบ
potent fossil
๐ฅบ
mental meadow
yea
heady spear
๐ 
๐ฆ
cosmic raft
uwu @heady spear
heady spear
uwu @cosmic raft
cosmic raft
:3
sharp sentinel
UwU
mossy vessel
Cityweirdstret
viral hornet
Cityqtstret
potent fossil
Camm more like sexy
viral hornet
limber knotBOT
meh, so I finally found an irssi script to display bridged messages like normal users and it breaks in my theme :S
void void
kek
does ur superior solution start with k and end with s and have 8 letters in between
@potent fossil no
but if i think about it then it lowkey starts getting near to it indeed
final aspen
Every time I try and run Minecraft 1.8.9 in full screen, it crashes. Both vanilla and optifine client. I've tried reinstalling them both. The version launches, but once I try and put it into full screen, it crashes immediately. Anyone know what could fix this?
mossy vessel
yes
sharp wind
You are asking for help about a client in a server software discord xD
slim nymph
using 1.8 may be your issue, try 1.16.3 ๐
final aspen
Really @sharp wind? Im asking it in the social category. Unrelated to paper, community off topic conversation.
mental meadow
sharp wind
i mean to be honest
what sort of response would you get in return?
Considering you already mentioned 1.8.9
sharp wind
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
final aspen
There are lots of minecraft tech savvy people in here, so I thought this would be a good place to ask.
next wind
and its a mc related server so at least 1 person has had the same issue
sharp wind
Okay.. ?
next wind
and theres no problem with using 1.8.9 client if your just going on hypixel or another pvp based server
final aspen
Stop trying mini moderate, its not working and youre doing it wrong lol. You're just being toxic at this point
minor badge
let's drop it
@final aspen Have you tried using Badlion client or whatever it's called?
this looks like a bug they'd fix
final aspen
No I haven't. Ill try that thanks
minor badge
And is it something you can reproduce on 1.9 and 1.16? If not, it's definitely a 1.8 bug which the Badlion folks may want to fix if it isn't already
mental meadow
but that client introduces more bugs ๐
final aspen
But its just confusing to me because even the vanilla client doesnt work
And yeah I also don't really like badlion, so thats why I havent tried it.
minor badge
I haven't tried it either, but I don't play in fullscreen on that old vers so 
the oldest i go nowadays is 1.10
next wind
i read that as 1.1.0...
sharp wind
I don't get it, I say something wrong and I feel like I should be punished for it..?
I just joined the server
sharp wind
Stop trying mini moderate, its not working and youre doing it wrong lol. You're just being toxic at this point
but...
next wind
just drop the topic ๐คทโโ๏ธ
sharp wind
I didn't really mean it
mental meadow
Thats okay
Thats why you received a warning
and nothing else
just stop it now, and forget it^^
slim nymph
remember the rules, dont bash people for asking for outdated support.
ultimately, no one is going to know naspo, only advice anyone can give is to update
final aspen
Yep that's fine. Just thought maybe someone else had a similar issue and fixed it. (Also I'm using 1.8.9 for pvp servers).
Anyways thanks!
slim nymph
https://www.amazon.com/Creuset-Signature-Handle-Skillet-4-Inch/dp/B00B4UOSW6 why the fuck would a pan cost 200$
sharp wind
I mean there are shoes that cost thousands
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
But i guess shoes is different cause its fashion
It also says there are only 6 pans left on amazon. probably means it sold some xD
zealous wedge
because it's Le Creuset
slim nymph
is that some designer brand
next wind
its like the fancy cooking and kitchen brand iirc
slim nymph
cast iron is yeah lol, i got rid of mine many years ago but wanting to get another for better steak searing
slim nymph
as my current 12" pan has some damage on the non stick too
sharp wind
the largest frying pan can fry 365 chickens at once
slim nymph
"Iron deficiency is fairly common worldwide especially among women so cooking food in a cast iron skillet can increase iron content by as much as 20% "
O.o is this true, does cast iron really transfer iron to the food?
sharp wind
That sounds nasty
Like iron being scraped off?
and deposited into the food
Iron is good for you but just hearing that makes me want to shrivel
slim nymph
well you need iron, its not nasty, im just curious on the science, how does it transfer to the food
sharp wind
Yeah
slim nymph
or is this FUD to sell it more
sharp wind
:<
zealous wedge
sounds like fud
if it were any significant amount the pan would start wearing away
cyan nova
"Iron deficiency is fairly common worldwide especially among women so cooking food in a cast iron skillet can increase iron content by as much as 20% "
O.o is this true, does cast iron really transfer iron to the food?
hahaha amazing marketing
sharp wind
Just give up the food, just eat the pan instead
zealous wedge
and good cast irons are sth people hold on to for a lifetime
next wind
you barely need iron, so it sounds kind of accurate i guess
slim nymph
"barely" uh no, irons pretty damn critical
sharp wind
Yeah its pretty important
slim nymph
"As the name implies, iron deficiency anemia is due to insufficient iron. Without enough iron, your body can't produce enough of a substance in red blood cells that enables them to carry oxygen (hemoglobin). As a result, iron deficiency anemia may leave you tired and short of breath."
sharp wind
^^
You will probably be hyperventilating without it
because your body can't get enough oxygen
slim nymph
yes, my wife has some
next wind
yeah most vitamin things contain it
slim nymph
i have to get multi vit without iron though lol, since i get so much in diet
cyan nova
there's even iron infusions (injections). I have a friend with a health problem that occasionally needs them
slim nymph
my mom also takes iron supplements
i def feel like my wife does better nutrition wise when she eats steaks w/ me
slim nymph
she slacks on eating enough and in past week she wasnt feeling great, but seemed to perk up once she least got vitamins in
next wind
never had a steak
sharp wind
4th?