Yea
#general
cosmic raft
vernal moth
We estimate there are still 100k bombs left to be found
cosmic raft
Would be weird if there was not any accidents, really
vernal moth
2014 a worker on a excavation side hit a bomb and died
2012 there was a fire after a controlled explosion
2010 3 ppl of the bomb squad died while working on the bomb
Those are just examples, I bet there are more
And this is only germany
cosmic raft
Yea, quite sad..
vernal moth
Austria has this too, I bet it's similarly in the UK
cosmic raft
But by removing them, the lives of people living near them will be safer in the future
vernal moth
I mean
Those bombs don't explode randomly
They get found when ppl dig a hole in their garden or smth
Or if new houses get build
cosmic raft
No, but if someone were to accidentally hit one dduring construction or such I mean
vernal moth
Yeah
Just looked at some numbers, from 1950 to 2000 they found 220k bombs in my state alone
golden gust
apparently there's some marsh lands somewhere where bombs basically just rise and fall like the tide over the months due to the land being wet and all that
It's crazy
vernal moth
Oh ye, we find bombs in the rhine occasionally
cosmic raft
Mini, want to adopt me?
vernal moth
So you can come over here and see amazing bombs by the Brits? ^^
cosmic raft
So I can live there :p
vernal moth
It's not that hard to get a working permit and stuff here to live and work here
viral hornet
Why is this a thing in plugins? https://i.imgur.com/ZPLYTn1.gif
Is it just the "norm"/how it works?
limpid comet
Just reading through Mini's messages, and jeez, that's really upsetting
heady spear
nah that just means the person who wrote the suggestions is dumb ๐
limpid comet
^
viral hornet
oh
cedar spade
Hmm I wonder
limpid comet
Never had that happen to me when writing my suggestions
viral hornet
vernal moth
ADOPT ME
@cosmic raft if you pay rent and we can get a bigger flat, sure ^^
viral hornet
One thing I've noticed if you have a gradient chat colour and send just a single symbol: https://i.imgur.com/NvqhZEn.png
cosmic raft
:D
minor badge
oh huh
upstream commit got the wrong msg but right changes 
or it might be that i abuse that branch by repushing to it constantly, caching the last commit msg
void void
lol_irc
limpid comet
what feature? rainbow text?
void void
yes
viral hornet
I can't reproduce that
@limpid comet tbf it's probably an issue with the chat plugin i'm using
limpid comet
Probably
Can you try reproducing the ?? with ๐ฐ?
If you can, I'm gonna see if I can fix it
broken girder
hey there
anyone familiar with jobs reborn?
i want to give a timed global boost from a voucher
limpid comet
@void void it's a feature from the adventure text library
@broken girder Probably a better question to ask in the zrips Discord
broken girder
theyre useless
heady spear
lol
broken girder
theyll never respond there haha
limpid comet
heh, I'm with you there
broken girder
its a simple command and they dont provide documentation on it
limpid comet
I was using CMI a while back and there's like one helper who knows what he's talking about, but obviously it's not FOSS so he can't actually help with bugfixes
think his name was florb or something? idk it's been a while
cedar spade
imagine using CMI
limpid comet
I wanted to try it out for some of their features
cedar spade
floris perhaps?
broken girder
truuu lmfao
cedar spade
he used to be obsessed with EssentialsX then suddenly started recommending CMI avidly, everywhere
limpid comet
Interesting
I think CMI would really benefit from 1. being open source and 2. breaking up the features into other plugins
Their portal system is really nice to use. It's basically just an abstracted WorldGuard region, but it provides some nice features
Other than that; I don't know why you'd use it over EssX
broken girder
so no one off the top of their head is good with jobs reborn?
limpid comet
EssX is really valuable to me because of the wealth of code it has
Specifically the newer changes related to async teleporting and stuff
IIRC you were behind those yeah JRoy?
limber knotBOT
now am working on the couch of my parents :D
quasi valley
sounds like I'll be busy tomorrow https://twitter.com/dinnerbone/status/478843001532579841?s=21 
Twitter
limber knotBOT
they evacuated like 600m
wide chasm
Good luck kenny
limber knotBOT
but its the good kind of busy kenny!
cedar spade
oooo
limpid comet
"experimental rewrites"
please be performance improvements please be performance improvements please be performance improvements please be performance improvements
limber knotBOT
but if they already start, that gets my hope up for a 1.17 in january
cedar spade
inb4 performance dips below 1.14
limber knotBOT
on 1.18 with the features
limpid comet
MD please don't joke like that ๐ข
limber knotBOT
rewrites by mojang are always dangerous
limpid comet
there's so many cool new features I want to take advantage of but I fear it will tank performance even more
cosmic raft
not all of them mini :)
limber knotBOT
but there are amazing possibilities and if they start early we can complain to them early
wide chasm
"We added more streams"
limpid comet
even now, I'm basing my network on 1.16 which is kinda dangerous performance wise
limber knotBOT
communication with mojang has been really good since 1.14 so am hopeful this will be great
limpid comet
Interesting
That's good
You guys do great work by the way, thanks for the time you all put in
flexing nda
quasi valley
not-knowing 
cunning raft
limpid comet
Oh weird, I was logged in but now that I'm logged out its visible
cunning raft
was just a tweet mentioning pure lul
limpid comet
I wanted to see the original tweet but I don't think I can
idk how to user Twitter I don't really use it ever
cunning raft
og tweet was deleted
limpid comet
ahh alright
cedar spade
pure spill the beans
quasi valley
beans pure the spill
cedar spade
the pure beans spill
cunning raft
that sounds interesting and awful at the same time
limpid comet
sounds like something straight outta gmod
cunning raft
it's the non-ticking server md_5 always talks about!
this is why he didn't want to add ticks per second, he knew all along! i will never question him again!
cosmic raft
@quasi valley why will you be busy tomorrow?
cosmic raft
yea but like why
cedar spade
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cosmic raft
@quasi valley ???
cedar spade
tracking changes in preparation?
cunning raft
did kney get jebaited by the old tweet
cosmic raft
yes jroy, I think he did
quasi valley
yeah I'm quite a dummy
cosmic raft
lmao
cunning raft
so did i at first
quasi valley
I literally can't read
cedar spade
kenny likes to prepare for changes that don't exist
quasi valley
time to hide in my bed for the rest of the day
cunning raft
only reason i found it was fake was cuz i didn't see it on my timeline
cosmic raft
I literally can't read
cedar spade
1337
quasi valley
limpid comet
haha
cosmic raft
poor kneny
void void
KekTV
rotund wedge
what should I pick, first time using Java in VsCode
limpid comet
I mean I'd exclude, but it's because I never play around with them.
Also, use IntelliJ
cedar spade
^
zealous wedge
well, you can use what you want, but most people here use intellij and don't know much about other tools
cedar spade
That too
void void
every day is a school day
minor badge
intellij is the de facto best tool for jvm
cedar spade
last time I tried it, VS Code's Java support was janky at best and didn't play nice with complex projects
minor badge
emacs may be decent i guess if youre doing clojure
limpid comet
Yeah I can't stand Java in VSCode
void void
limpid comet
it was my first introduction to Java as a whole and it was just terrible
void void
can you stand c in code?
cedar spade
Java support in VS Code is pretty much the same as using a different frontend for Eclipse
limpid comet
makes it worse that FRC (robotics competition) enforces VSCode or Eclipse usage
minor badge
i havent done more than a hello world in vscode, and couldnt even do completions on System so no thank you
minor badge
loong time ago by now though, it may be usable now
limpid comet
it'll change your life
cedar spade
they're phasing out support for eclipse?
limpid comet
Yeah, it's deprecated IIRC
cedar spade
huh seems like they're promoting theia, which looks like a slightly modified version of VS Code
limpid comet
On their docsite the only mentions of Eclipse (in any important manner, anyway) is how to import old Eclipse projects to VS Code
cedar spade
hmmmmmm
void void
give me one reason intellij is better?
cedar spade
literally everything
void void
can you do better than "literally everything" lol
limpid comet
I did really enjoy my time with FRC
minor badge
it understands developer hints in annotations
limpid comet
We won the autonomous award
minor badge
which is extremely simple to do, but eclipse aint there yet
cunning raft
also it fast
cedar spade
install it, play around with it and see for yourself; you might appreciate everything it does, you might not, but we can't tell you that for you
cunning raft
and actually responsive
limpid comet
we're talking about IntelliJ
yeah, I'm not a fan as "web-browser-as-an-IDE"
IntelliJ uses swing IIRC and it feels so much better
cunning raft
electron was a mistake
limpid comet
agreed 10000%
cunning raft
so was node but more specifically electron
limpid comet
I just wish that it wasn't so overused
mighty storm
My life would be significantly better if node never existed lmao
mighty storm
Only 500?
limpid comet
Is this a joke?
void void
thats nice
cunning raft
but how would we make webscale programs without node?
mighty storm
Literally any other language is better
limpid comet
limpid comet
say webscale one more time
cedar spade
just saying, not only did nw.js do it first but nw.js did it way better (and still does)
cunning raft
nimwit.js?
cedar spade
but electron had GitHub behind it (and an arguably better name) so hurr durr guess the entire universe needs to use that now
limpid comet
nw.js is way less resource hungry IIRC, yeah?
cunning raft
oh node-webkit
limpid comet
I remember looking into it and liking what I saw
cedar spade
it is, and also the runtime can be decoupled from apps
limpid comet
but in the end I don't like JS
minor badge
hm
limpid comet
ok that's cool
cunning raft
isn't electron just resource hungry because it uses chrome render?
limpid comet
whoever thought "hey lets download and run a separate instance of chrome every time we launch a new app" is insane
yes
minor badge
nothing beats good ol tui apps doe
mighty storm
proxi spittin straight facts then just dipped
kind smelt
Im thinking of getting Paper but from previous experience as a player on a server, it broke 0 tick related redstone and some vanilla bugs that are used as features.
I want it to effect nothing of the actual gameplay, is that impossible?
cunning raft
most bug fixes that affect gameplay have config options to reenable bugs
quasi valley
0 tick farms were killed in 1.16 Vanilla anyways
lament patio
The 0 tick fix worked as intended and had a config to re-enable it
kind smelt
Again Im not talking about the 0 tick farms bug, im talking about 0 tick redstone
I just want paper to effect nothing of gameplay. I also hear it could effect mob spawning/mobcap
quasi valley
didn't know Paper fixes 0 tick redstone heh
you can disable most of those in the config
kind smelt
There's nothing of a bug about 0 tick redstone for paper to fix it, im saying it breaks it.
@mighty storm how is this answering me lol
mighty storm
all the config options you can change :)
kind smelt
Yeah but this isn't an actual answer, Im asking can I have it effect nothing of vanilla gameplay.
Configuring all the options does not mean there will be no change on vanilla gameplay.
quasi valley
you can disable most of those in the config
cunning raft
both spigot and paper both have gameplay changes most for the better
kind smelt
Like what @cunning raft
cunning raft
i suggest you try them out
mighty storm
if you want no effect on vanilla gameplay, use vanilla. the point of paper is to fix bugs and optimize your server
kind smelt
Optimization can be done without touching the gameplay aspect
unreal quarry
We are very aware zero tick redstone and zero tick farms are different things, and we have specifically only fixed zero tick farms in the past. If you feel zero tick redstone is broken please feel free to open a ticket on github with reproduction steps
mighty storm
no?
kind smelt
like Fabric's lithium
limpid comet
that's very different from Paper
mighty storm
thats client improvements
kind smelt
Lithium is server side
cunning raft
does very little actually stuff on the server
cunning raft
dude what are trying to prove
kind smelt
what
cunning raft
try paper if it modifies too much for you don't use it
try out the config options and read config docs to see what you can tweak
paper tries to stay as vanilla as possible giving config when deemed fit
limpid comet
๐คฆ
cunning raft
ok
mighty storm
you seem to avoid wanting to read, check the config, if it doesn't do what you like, then paper may not be for you
kind smelt
Okay is there a documentation of everything paper effects in gameplay
limpid comet
check the patches
limpid comet
lol
quasi valley
right, have fun going through 500 patches
limpid comet
It's either that or whatever this discussion is
quasi valley
basically, read the docs for the config options
cunning raft
@kind smelt https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/configuration.html has all the stuff you can change which allows you to changes most meaningful gameplay changes
unreal quarry
The patches often have more docs in the header than the actual docs
cunning raft
other than that testing paper before using it in production helps
coarse bridge
how can i learn how to code plugins
i have basic java knowledge
cunning raft
coarse bridge
i am ding courses on linked
in
i did the basics couse and i am moving to advance for java 8
kind smelt
is there other things not in configuration?
Testing paper in production is not simple as it sounds, it wont be easy to find its effects on redstone unless I look up detailed redstone contraptions and check them out, and truly testing it means I just gotta run it on my smp, which isn't easy switch to just do and test it out, there's many other things I have to find in plugins because we were using fabric mods.
cunning raft
also long as you keep use-faster-eigencraft-redstone false, paper shouldn't be touching redstone
limpid comet
doesn't that setting do nothing
mighty storm
Testing in production
don't?
cunning raft
no proxi readded it
kind smelt
if you look on redstone contraptions, especially like scicraft stuff, there's always in the comments people asking does this work on paper, or spigot when they mean paper.
limpid comet
oh nice, thanks proxi
kind smelt
Im surprised that some of you don't think it effects redstone
kind smelt
Not intentionally I believe, thats why I am worried not everything is in configuration @quasi valley exactly
limpid comet
in the same way you don't want to test Paper, not every patch can be tested in every single edgecase. Paper is a community effort, if you think something is wrong, open an issue or PR a fix
quasi valley
well did you try disabling eigencraft redstone?
unreal quarry
@kind smelt It's a known factor that CraftBukkit (and all its forks, spigot, paper, etc) indeed changes redstone mechanics. No one has ever hid that. If you don't like the changes made, don't use it. Just stick with what you have already
kind smelt
@limpid comet Im not asking about final patches, im just asking generally.
limpid comet
Paper is just a collection of patches
cunning raft
nobody here has any knowledge of paper affecting redstone itself. that answers your question. please stop reasking the same one to get the same answer.
kind smelt
BillyGalbreath just said the opposite though
limpid comet
cunning raft
not paper's fault
unreal quarry
@cunning raft we all know.. aikar's stated it many times with "I don't care." And "technical/vanilla and paper are not friends"
kind smelt
Yeah my smp has technical players
limpid comet
Then keep it vanilla
unreal quarry
Then stick to vanilla
kind smelt
There's a guy working on a fabric-spigot mod for fabric, it's pretty cool, still in development, it allows the use of spigot plugins
on fabric servers
cunning raft
oh fuckkit
unreal quarry
Then go use that. No one here cares
cunning raft
use fukkit
kind smelt
you're toxic billy
minor badge
ive never had any issues with redstone on paper
limpid comet
he's not being toxic he's being correct
minor badge
nor had any reported to me
kind smelt
So pointing out that no one cares is not provocative or anything?
Why the fuck are all of you defensive
unreal quarry
99.999% of ppl won't @minor badge it's extreme edg cases
kind smelt
wtf is this
limpid comet
..
kind smelt
im gonna go bye
limpid comet
o/
unreal quarry
Bye
quasi valley
we told you to disable eigencraft
mighty storm
We've already said it before, if you want vanilla mechanics, use Vanilla. If you want optimizations at the cost of removing laggy things (mostly customizable), then use Paper.
cunning raft
you: "does paper affect redstone?"
us: "not intentionally in it of itself, no"
you: "paper affects redstone"
us: are frustrated
you: ๐ฎ
minor badge
enough now ^^
mental meadow
mentioning that, if paper affects redstone it could be a bug that needs to be reported^^
unreal quarry
It's not a bug
mental meadow
I didn't follow the complete conversation
kind smelt
Im tempted to respond because thats very inaccurate.
I pointed out it effects redstone unintentionally agreeing to the guy who pointed it out, to point out why Im asking if everything is in configuration or there is a documentation of everything it effects.
mental meadow
Thats why I said "could be"
kind smelt
I have no excuse to not read configuration, my point is, is that everything, because since it unintentionally effects stuff, then where can I find "everything".
But instead everyone was getting defensive, motivated by your sarcastic provocative attitude
mental meadow
Maybe the better place for such questions would be #paper-help
kind smelt
so I tried to soften it up and bring something else to discussion about fabric, and then you went at me again. so yeah, you're very defensive which means you're easily triggered
@mental meadow yes, I thought about that, but my question was very general so I thought it fits more "social"
thank you
mental meadow
Cedric, enough now, please stop^^
kind smelt
ok
minor badge
you can report issues on our github if you find any, and we'll look into em and figure out a fix/bandaid
unreal quarry
Proxi gets a thumbs up but I got called toxic for saying the same thing :(
limpid comet
@minor badge is "he" referring to md_5? https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4622
cunning raft
yes blue
limpid comet
what was the patch?
minor badge
@limpid comet yes
@unreal quarry its cause youre old and everyone knows grandpas are toxic ๐ ๐
unreal quarry
shakes his cane at proxi
mental meadow
inb4 "get off my lawn!
minor badge
get on my lawn aurora~
unreal quarry
Speaking of canes.. I'm not using mine anymore \o/ and I'm riding my motorcycle again :3
minor badge
thats epic, billy!
vernal moth
Paper can't possibly guarantee that no vanilla "mechanics" change
Heck, some "technical" players rely on the fucking hash code of block
That's just not a mechanic
mighty storm
He's already gone
vernal moth
Just generally
mighty storm
well yeah
thats why i said, if you want vanilla mechanics, use vanilla
and don;'t complain a single bit if you dont and something changes
vestal jasper
They also asked for a list of things paper unintentionally changes.
As if it's possible to know
limpid comet
like i said, check the patches ๐
earnest rampart
I honestly have nothing to contribute to the discussion but I just wanted to say that it was not fun to read ๐ฆ
vernal moth
I just wanted to point out that those are not mechanics
mighty storm
when unstoppable force meets immovable object
vernal moth
If paper breaks something, that is a documented mechanic, then we have an issue
vestal jasper
But they never report issues. Same with spigot plugin devs who hate paper.
They experience issues and never report them and expect them to magically get fixed.
unreal quarry
He upset me when he was going on about paper breaking zero tick redstone, which wasn't true. Tried to explain it but was ignored, then later called toxic :/
earnest rampart
i dunno a lot about the technical differences between spigot and paper but I've never come across any issues with paper
on my servers it's just vanilla but with better performance and plugins
unreal quarry
The difference is between vanilla and craftbukkit
Spigot and paper just inherit those changes
earnest rampart
that's what i thought
as i understand it spig and paper are just craftbukkit with performance enhancements and patches
vestal jasper
For the most part yeah
vernal moth
Paper also has a heck ton of new api on top and fixes vanilla issues
Sometimes behind an option, sometimes not
For example, dupes is something we had big discussions before
earnest rampart
What kind of new api does it add?
vernal moth
Paper aggressively fixes dupe bugs
earnest rampart
oh nice
minor badge
read: a lot
vernal moth
It's hard to summarize, bunch of new events, tons of new methods for entities, my fancy mob goal API, async chunk loading, player profiles (changing skins without nms!), Idk, tons
earnest rampart
i don't think i have the patience to read through all the patches but it's good to know
player profiles sound cool
mighty storm
stash has a compare thing right, like github?
cunning raft
a diff?
vernal moth
Yes
minor badge
why would you ever use not-GH
mighty storm
cus spigot does idk
earnest rampart
I just realized that paper has built in anti-xray
vernal moth
Stash you need to sign their CLA
mighty storm
but the master branch is public ๐ข
vernal moth
Yeah, anti x-ray was a fun story, it's not written by the paper team but a contributor, who first tried to get it into spigot. But he got so frustrated with how mdfive handled it, so he instead came to use and we helps to bring it to users
void void
because how he runs the project
teal egret
sha256 is better
vernal moth
I don't hate the person
I fundamentally disagree with his community management on multiple levels
Last time I tried to talk to him has locked the spigot discord for two hours and went on a giant monologue
minor badge
hours*
vernal moth
That gave me the rest, shut down all my spigot accounts the same day
minor badge
i dislike him as a person as hes a hypocrite lol
vernal moth
Anyway, let's talk about more fun topics: bombs!
minor badge
uh oh
vernal moth
They evacuating 8 thousand ppl...
minor badge
vernal moth
Das gonna take a while
Hopefully I can sleep at home, lol
They found it at 11, evacuation properly started at 1, so hopefully the got it sorted today
mighty storm
Context?
limpid comet
ah
vernal moth
It's a ten hundredweight bomb
limpid comet
I guess population density is higher in the UK
minor badge
is cat really tryna assassinate you again?
mighty storm
yikes lol
vernal moth
Yes, but he can't get me!
minor badge
hes really bad at this
vernal moth
Turns out, 70 year old bombs aren't that effective
mighty storm
Also what's a flat
mighty storm
Oh ok
peak dirge
British English for "apartment"
minor badge
the non-murican word
mighty storm
I'll take it, "flat" makes as much sense as "apartment" lol
minor badge
mdcfe ๐ฅบ
void void
slim nymph
lets not make comments like that gru, its in bad taste
peak dirge
acknowledged
minor badge
@cedar spade ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ
next frost
not accusing anyone of anything but
@heady spear did you use git blame?
minor badge
hannes 
heady spear
you rewrote the command ๐
oh wait was it list or visit
if it's list it's totally my fault lmao
fallen oracle
Morning friends!
heady spear
oh well just another reason to switch to cloud :3
minor badge
glare 
fallen oracle
You going to let me out of jail yet?
fallen oracle
I'm eating breakfast right now!
minor badge
howd you get loose??
fallen oracle
Today is my busiest day unfortunately so I'm going to have to double my coffee intake.
fallen oracle
Idk who thought 5 hour chem labs was a good idea.
cosmic raft
minor badge
kash-sama ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ
cosmic raft
can I ban that emoji
void void
๐ฉ
fallen oracle
cosmic raft
@twin lagoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sNuDu4dE8Y
void void
katotik
heady spear
is weekend the dude that dated selena
fallen oracle
Ya
twin lagoon
uwu
cosmic raft
click it michael
mental meadow
uwu
fallen oracle
She broke up with him because she preferred weekdays tho.
cosmic raft
mighty storm
owo
@cosmic raft
cosmic raft
that is better
void void
๐ฅบ
minor badge
mental meadow
golden gust
Who, weeknd? He did some songs which made it bigish over here
golden gust
so do you, tbf
heady spear
says the person who can't even speak english smh
mighty storm
Do his songs have a lot of biebs
golden gust
i can speak english
fallen oracle
What's a song that always gets you motivated to work. These next 12 hours are going to be roughhh.
golden gust
your brain is just so cancerous it fails to interpret my awesome accent
cosmic raft
don't worry
heady spear
@mental meadow lol cat thinks he can speak english
he's funny
too bad he's impossible to understand :/
mighty storm
Maybe you just can't understand English
cosmic raft
oh god cat
heady spear
why did u send a video of billy
golden gust
mental meadow
golden gust
weeb
golden gust
Meanwhile in slavland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3hL0IEKbq4
heady spear
mental meadow
[BASS BOOSTED]
golden gust
Still convinced that somebody needs to rent containers in a warehouse full of sound proofed shipping containers and sick ass hifi equipment
mental meadow
Cat how is your lawn today, any kids on it?
golden gust
having a lawn
Billys gen means that we'll never have a lawn
shakes his fist at billy
mental meadow
apparently there is a billy on his lawn
heady spear
why are we fisting billy
mental meadow
no city
golden gust
Typical city
heady spear
that's what he said!
mental meadow
city I had Kรถttbullar today
golden gust
he sees a fist, and he thinks about the bรผtt
golden gust
salty
mental meadow
tasty
do you also eat them with jam or is that austrian
heady spear
lingonberry jam
mental meadow
yea
heady spear
and brunsรฅs (Swedish gravy)
mental meadow
that was very tasty
heady spear
alternatively grรคddsรฅs if you're a bad person
n then mashed potatoes
das how u do it
golden gust
I mean
mental meadow
I kinda expected the jam to be an austrian addition bc they eat it with schnitzel
golden gust
This is the country which thinks rotten fish is a delicacy
mental meadow
Preiselbeere
heady spear
surstrรถmming is grรถss
so is sill
sill is pickled herring
disgusting
surstrรถmming is rotten herring n is stinky stink
void void
when will permisionEx be released
mental meadow
But we spent 50โฌ on scented candles
golden gust
I mean, there's so many weird questions
heady spear
@zealous wedge release pex
mental meadow
now we have enough for the winter
heady spear
we're waiting
mental meadow
imagine not using BungeePerms
void void
i like pex better
golden gust
Like, who tried cow milk the first time? Who thought rotten fish would be good?
heady spear
who decided to give cat access to the internet?
mental meadow
^
heady spear
all very good questions
zealous wedge
@heady spear but it doesn't even use cloud ๐ฆ
heady spear
pex is cancelled
zealous wedge
can't release it until it uses cloud
heady spear
time to revive incendoperms
mental meadow
every time I read cats messages I have to think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KySFp0w7-hE
city I'll sell you bungeeperms
it's good
void void
when you arrive at England
golden gust
I'd rather shoot myself
heady spear
you're so full of good ideas cat
mental meadow
oh city we also bought more cinnamon buns
golden gust
hehe, buns
mental meadow
they sell them
heady spear
I mean that makes it easier to buy them
mental meadow
void void
i need help please reply
https://papermc.io/forums/t/1-16-1-hands-chengeing-crushing-my-server/5088
golden gust
use a packet limiter
void void
can you send me please one?
golden gust
I mean, there's one built in vanilla now in server.prop, beyond that, google, there is one by spottedleaf
void void
chat is afk
void void
๐ค
mental meadow
i knew it city is huck
void void
"i use arch btw"
zealous knot
Why did carl announce that in #announcements ? Was it on behalf of paper or the carl bot dev team?
Bruh moment
mental meadow
the carl bot dev team obvs
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the core team made it say that, which the entire paper team agreed on ^^
heady spear
proxi is a typo
limpid comet
finally got around to remaking my menus with my own code instead of using other plugins for it
and it really gives opportunities for optimization
so much quicker
cosmic raft
nice @limpid comet :)
limpid comet
thanks
im gonna see if i can pull up an old revision of the lobby server to compare differences
worn ember
It's outdated
earnest rampart
when will aikar update it
worn ember
Yes
limber knotBOT
let me guess, another inventory gui?
cosmic raft
And you had things like: buildings, structures
limber knotBOT
to the bluely person
cosmic raft
and then things like fences, lights
Would you put them in separate folders, or the same?
limpid comet
It depends on what the constraints are
if you're talking inventory menu, then I would do folders
void void
ืืฉ ืืื ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืืขืืฃ
limpid comet
but if this is actually a game, then I'd have a search function and tag every item
heady spear
kashhhh is indra ready? :3
limber knotBOT
Why are there so few book guis
limber knotBOT
because books require commands to be run to be used as GUI
limpid comet
Alright, well then I'd do folders
heady spear
righty then, I think ima try to use that in cloud instead because am not happy with my git stuff
cosmic raft
is a light considered a material?
limpid comet
you're offering both buildings and building mats?
heady spear
git? gradle
limber knotBOT
you would still need to do some "GUI state management" so that only users on the certain GUI page are able to actually execute the comand
heady spear
am tired D:
limpid comet
buildings/
materials/furnature
materials/decoration
materials/idkwhateverelsekindashityou'vegothere
am talking about my command framework robo smh
but am too tired to think before I type
limber knotBOT
another command framework?
cosmic raft
hm
but at what point do I differentiate between a "building" and non-building?
take a bridge for example
heady spear
https://commandframework.cloud ๐คทโโ๏ธ Built for IS projects :3
A bridge is infrastructure and not a building imo
would an architect or an engineer design it? ๐
limpid comet
i guess it really depends on how deep you wanna go with categorizations
bridge would definitely be under the scope of building
materials are things you use to make these buildings
small components
cosmic raft
so:
limpid comet
a light would be under materials/decoration
cosmic raft
I see
limpid comet
he just provided the category "building materials"
a light would be a material you use to construct a building
limpid comet
these are all categories?
next frost
world objects
cosmic raft
of some of the things, yes
vernal moth
Props
limpid comet
buildings/
- buildings/houses
objects/
- objects/lights
- objects/fences
- objects/trees
- etc
idk about the name
that's just how i'd categorize it
cosmic raft
hm
vernal moth
What ya cooking Kash?
I watched a really good tutorial on wave function collapse and now I wanna do procedural dungeons in minecraft
But I already have so many other commitments, I can't start yet another project :/
cosmic raft
organising my things in a game, currently it is all in one folder... I moved things into by-brand, so for example:
Building/
LB/
Skye/
LB and Skye being "brand"/store names
but I considering doing it by "category" instead
so:
Building/
Trees/
Signs/
Well, for searching, you want both
cosmic raft
its either one of the other
vernal moth
Sims had this nicely, you could search by room, and by object
heady spear
is this... is this... second life
cosmic raft
yes city :)
waxen panther
bruh
cosmic raft
what? :D
vernal moth
Is that still a thing?
cosmic raft
very much so :p
vernal moth
I thought those players moved on to VRchat
cosmic raft
lol
cunning raft
Google has a trello-ish competitor now ๐
limber knotBOT
I thought that was github
cunning raft
limber knotBOT
dahek is google even doin
cosmic raft
The Tables beta is currently available in the U.S.
twin lagoon
ok but knowing google, tables will be shutdown in 2 years
i'll gladly stay at notion
cunning raft
i mean there already a monetization option so i doubt it gets shutdown that quickly
true canyon
2 years? I bet they announce in december that it closes in january
limber knotBOT
who needs tables/trello if they can just use github/gitlab smh
worn ember
Github projects are kinda shitty to work with tho
slim nymph
gitlab isnt designed for non technical people
but non technical people are the primary people creating issues
limber knotBOT
I feel like the issue tracker is usable by everyone but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
limber knotBOT
tha hard part is getting people to actually report issues there and not in your comments, reviews or unrelated posts
slim nymph
I would love to migrate to gitlab for issues but it doesnt have as much features as youtrack or jira
limber knotBOT
I guess the main advantage with google would be that fucking everyone has a google account already
slim nymph
plus i use youtrack for help desk too
limber knotBOT
gotta love market dominance
slim nymph
speaking of i renewed my youtrack license, need to update to latest version
limber knotBOT
I really don't like youtrack, lol
seems even harder to use than github
(at least their new version, the old one was fine-ish)
slim nymph
are you looking at it from simplicity or management
people need complexity in issue management, but it needs to have a healthy separation from the code
limber knotBOT
user friendlyness aspect I guess because I never managed one
also TIL that enginehub went back to github lol
limber knotBOT
ya, never had a desire for complex issue management
slim nymph
well in the real world its needed ๐
limber knotBOT
also a site that takes longer than 3 seconds to load is a bit eww
3 year old ticket, nice
slim nymph
youll find much older lol
limber knotBOT
tbh my main UX issue with enginehub is that there is no easy way to only show open or closed tickets xD
u must have all the states!
(I guess the agile dashboard solves that)
limber knotBOT
I wasn't talking about the search though?
I was talking about it not being easily accessible via one simple button
slim nymph
"no easy way to show open or closed" - use search
limber knotBOT
gunna b honest, only time I do search in issues is when I'm looking for a particular issue
if you think that your users are going to figure out a way to use the search then tehy would be fixing the issue already ๐
and GitHub has that covered pretty ok
slim nymph
dashboar can show specific searches
limber knotBOT
now the related issues thing, I wish that was more prominent
slim nymph
i just have no public dashboards
void void
@twin lagoon can you maybe accept me, i want to say something which is very personal but i just want to clarify it to you. From what happened in the past.
void void
Some real life shit.
twin lagoon
i don't really care
void void
@twin lagoon please...
twin lagoon
i don't have any interest in working with you or your server
i don't care about cracked servers anyways
void void
thats not what im saying
limber knotBOT
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
void void
Okay, no problem.
void void
I just wanted to say to you sorry about what happened and why i reacted like that. But it's fine.
worn ember
limber knotBOT
cuz I am reel life purson
worn ember
Drama 
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michale ๐ฅบ
worn ember
Who is robo again :)
worn ember
I had to hook in his dum dum plugins cuz not enough features
limber knotBOT
wut u huk
wide chasm
I had to hook into his plugin as well
worn ember
Smh smh
limber knotBOT
ya c grate api
wide chasm
But other than looking through the code to find the right public fields, it was fine
limber knotBOT
fantastic 20/20
slim nymph
I did not in fact have hooking relationships with that plugin.
how to avoid dealing with RTP issues: stop having RTP!
worn ember
What a hooker
limber knotBOT
aikar's claiming is kinda the idea I had once
but implementation I'm sure is phun
worn ember
Shouldve used my rtp smh
void void
RTP?
slim nymph
i just dump them at official outposts and make them walk to find land ๐
next wind
Random teleport iirc
limber knotBOT
we on rtp now?
void void
aha
limpid comet
isn't that a protocol
worn ember
Yes ofc
mighty storm
Just use essentials
mighty storm
the only tpr you need
slim nymph
outposts to me = a reserved land spot thats protected, right now we have system owned outposts players will come later
our resource world has 9, all cardinal directions + center
worn ember
Just yeet them in lava on join so they ragequit
limber knotBOT
ya that's how popdensity works, it makes outposts spiraling outwards
slim nymph
frontier (build world) is more complicated, we have cardinals, then "Far Cardinal"
void void
I need to say 1.16.3 version works great so far.
limber knotBOT
default tho is just outpost protected, u could make radius larger if u wanted tho
worn ember
True random wen
limber knotBOT
ya want me 2 hook into random.org??
or use playermoveevent as randomness?
if u generate pretty charts for the plugin overview page ill do it
limpid comet
I had an idea for a TNT run game on our server which would take the player's movement paths/blocks broken and use it as a rng
Just as a neat project, nothing special
limber knotBOT
how do u know that we humans r random
stiff yarrow
You know that feeling when you look out at an incredible view and youโre like โwow I appreciate the beauty of thisโ
Being a cat owner is like that 
limber knotBOT
no
intellij's drunk or something, randomly decided to say one of my imports don't exist when it even suggests an autocomplete for it
tired heath
Would it count as ad if I would hide one of my codes in MC so you have do accomplish something there
limber knotBOT
what
limpid comet
yeah what
limber knotBOT
I tried to autocorrect that sentence and I could not
limpid comet
lol
tired heath
not related to your stuff roboMWM ๐ ppl adressed know what I talk about
limpid comet
yeah still don't know what you're talking about
limber knotBOT
let us in on the joke if u gonna post it here
limpid comet
idk if its my sleep deprived brain but this is making no sense
limber knotBOT
it doesn't
limber knotBOT
idk if it'd make sense even for an inside joke
cuz it's just grammatically wayward
limpid comet
yeah
limber knotBOT
and yall blame my dumcord speek
not often
but sometimes some do lul
oh
chester bot phrase?
why didn't you just say so then
you can talk to my bot all day
I think he's usually more coherent tho
limpid comet
lol
next wind
irc
limpid comet
it's a webhook
tired heath
Everybody know that I talk the dumbest stuff in here anyways. Like Jesus, I take aways your responsibility since you know I did worse
earnest rampart
Did you get a mod to invite you
sly ruin
Does anyone know how to run a powershell as admin without it being locked to system32?
earnest rampart
Oh
tired heath
thats sweet
limber knotBOT
what responsibility and how do I know you did what worse like am genuinely confused lol
limpid comet
:(
limber knotBOT
you can redeem urself if u come over here
limpid comet
ill fire up my irc client when im done this
mIRC? are the cool kids still using that?
what was the other one
pidgeon
tired heath
Actually people blocked me just because the did read stuff from me in discrod by accident. Not even related or offensiv stuff. Those dumcordians have to reach my level first
limber knotBOT
IRC Explorer is what I use but I think the author died or something and it's no longer available on the store :c
foo IRC seems to be ok
limber knotBOT
his last post was about Windows 10 designs
and then suddenly, 0 activity
his bouncer eventually died
tired heath
You're on Abmien or any other Zolpidemtartrat stuff bluely
limpid comet
um
no
when i get tired my mind ceases to process things properly
i think its because i had a concussion
vernal moth
@golden gust Just an update, am still not back home, so fuck you, lmao
limber knotBOT
well u aint even talking at the level of a bot
vernal moth
Controlled of course
limber knotBOT
wuts happening
next wind
what? do you have an old ww2 dud near your house or something?
vernal moth
Ye
next wind
โค๏ธ germany
limpid comet
damn
vernal moth
We do this thousands of time each year
tired heath
๐ฉ germany
(I'm Austrian, is generally allowed to say that as Austrian)
limpid comet
thousands of time
how many times per day are people evacuated
is this just life in the UK
do people even have homes?
next wind
i swear every large excavation or whatever in germany finds a bomb
golden gust
We don't really hear about evacutions over here
vernal moth
Well, this doesn't make it more than local news too
If you Google it you find tons of cases
It's just that it affects me right now
Last time it affected me I had to evacuate office, couldn't really complain about that one
Between that I was always just outside of the zone
How am 200m away and zone is 500m ^^