We're just setting our stance early before it has a chance to become an issue
#general
golden gust
short yarrow
Anyone familiar with node or maybe just httpclients in general. Does responses/errors always contain a body field with the actual response from the API or is that library dependent?
golden gust
the response should have a body if one was given
serene bolt
yeah, he's quite mad :P
potent fossil
Wow.
viral hornet
What? Why is he mad?
potent fossil
Woooooow.
viral hornet
Fucking moron
viral hornet
I don't remember why I had downloaded that in the past, though.
potent fossil
he got mad because his resource is deleted due to malicious code lol.
dense spindle
where has the common sense gone 👁️
golden gust
Because some plugin devs think that they're entitled enough to hijack servers perms
serene bolt
he also had 7 days to resolve the issue and didn't want too :P
viral hornet
Jesus
He has a lot of plugins, too: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/authors/gyurix.15971/
Makes me wonder what else has dodgy shit, if he was asked to remove the malicious code and didn't?
serene bolt
when I saw the download count on spigot lib I was pretty freaked out that it went under the radar for so long lol
potent fossil
he literally has a force op in there too
serene bolt
uh idk if they want to be named but someone reported it to me personally and then I just brought it up with the team
viral hornet
Seems like so many of his depend on it too: https://i.imgur.com/6XyU4pX.png
viral hornet
What a filthy shit
potent fossil
ok nvm? not forceop? but for some reason sets op, chats, then sets to previous op value?
idk what use that is...
viral hornet
So @serene bolt what happens when they're advertising the library that still has the malicious code in other resource pages?
potent fossil
yeah that's...not good
viral hornet
I just 
serene bolt
is the link pointing to his github releases?
viral hornet
Why not just remove the code and keep your library?
Yeah Pure
Seems he's updated them all (I assume)
viral hornet
serene bolt
god some people are actually 0 iq
viral hornet
I mean he has a brain, he codes many plugins ffs
potent fossil
wow literally all his plugins depend on malware, two being premium
jesus christ man
serene bolt
just the logic behind having your resource removed from the platform, and then moving it to github and linking to it on your other resources thinking that is some clever workaround is hilarious :P
viral hornet
I don't understand how he thought he would get away with it.
golden gust
entitlement/moronity generally go hand in hand
potent fossil
ima just sit back and watch this go down
viral hornet
And for what personal gain? lol
golden gust
ask simp about that
viral hornet
to have OP on someones server you'll never join 
viral hornet
You aren't a moron
golden gust
Well, at least I got you to admit that part
viral hornet
You're just simple 🥺
golden gust
wow, that's abelism at it's finest, wtf
potent fossil
wat
golden gust
Gag'ing, because the nature of the word "simple" in the UK
It falls into the erm... r word... kinda, over here
potent fossil
oh also @serene bolt he's offering custom development, idk? i guess it would be dmck's realm there, but anyone he contracts with therefore likely has accepted malware
and any future customers
viral hornet
@minor badge should just decompile every other plugin of theirs, who knows what other saucy shit they're doing 🥺
potent fossil
do i need to change my name due to paper 2.0
viral hornet
You're now known as plain
viral hornet
(still hot tho 🥺)
potent fossil
i decided ima start parting my hair
potent fossil
it might have been parted before in my other selfies but it wasn't intentional
lol
potent fossil
do it then send a selfie
viral hornet
I'm too overgrown for self-esteem atm
potent fossil
viral hornet
Selfies* but that auto-correct also works
potent fossil
ur hot af shut up
golden gust
by that you mean fat
potent fossil
camm is unironically model status tbh
golden gust
yup
viral hornet
by that you mean fat
@golden gust YES DONT ATTACK ME
golden gust
and apparently the dev doesn't understand why it was removed from the site
viral hornet
But also need beard/haircut asap to not look homeless
mighty storm
what doe spure what us to do, report every resource that links to spigotlib?
potent fossil
my facial hair doesnt grow fast enough for that shit, it just kinda gets to awkward stage that looks nasty and then waits to grow any more so i end up shaving or living with it
viral hornet
My beard is finally starting to thicken up which is nice
My older brother and dad's did around late 20's, so I'm holding on hope.
golden gust
how's it going bumfluff?
mighty storm
@potent fossil u can have all my facial hair if u want it, i certainly dont
serene bolt
what doe spure what us to do, report every resource that links to spigotlib?
I've already handled it, pls don't mass report
golden gust
brb, reporting pure
viral hornet
Hi pop
grand pewter
hi camm
potent fossil
i regret to inform you that i do, indeed, not want that
serene bolt
do it :P
viral hornet
Hope you're doing well pop 😁
serene bolt
lmao PR the removal of the force op, I'd say that's very much in the spirit of hacktoberfest
grand pewter
just relaxing
oktoberfest pr for spigotlib - deleted 1 line added 0 lines
(removed setOp)
mighty storm
well I need to delete all instances of it in the code too
mighty storm
just sets md_5 as op
the hell
lmao his package name is just gyruix
oh why is it systempath stuff
reee
grand pewter
he develops his plugins directly in github
mighty storm
sounds about right
viral hornet
Thats a lot of errors
cunning raft
Commit and Push
grand pewter
lol
serene bolt
I prefer a description that don't make it sound like you're representing spigot :P
mighty storm
"This is in violation of SpigotMC guidelines.
Not merging this may result in account termination.... probably, idk i got banned years ago"
is that better
I just removed 2nd line
ok i added im not spigot staff
ancient bolt
the original text does not sound like you're representing spigot
potent fossil
"not merging this may result in account termination" sounds like chew has the authority to terminate the account tbh
potent fossil
i mean it's not like GH is spigot, nobody can tell you not to post that. it's just, it might send the wrong message ¯_(ツ)_/¯
i dont feel like arguing about it, post it if you want
mighty storm
like i said i set it to
"This is in violation of SpigotMC guidelines.
I'm not spigot staff I just wanna help a homie out"
limber knotBOT
what's goin on
potent fossil
stupidity
limber knotBOT
are we back on the spigotlib thing that I brought up
potent fossil
yes
potent fossil
night qt
fucking hell i have to do some partial fraction decomp
im getting food first
limber knotBOT
tutorial for his spigotlib too
amazing
it's a good idea not to reinvent the wheel,
potent fossil
yeah we're literally repeating the exact events of 8 hrs ago
lean kiln
lol idc ab the op or whatever
potent fossil
and i wouldnt, it has a forceop in there that allows him full access to your server
lean kiln
im just looking at the readme
potent fossil
lol
mighty storm
Actually function
golden gust
fwiw, Pure; One of the spigot staffers has a user script for that iirc
serene bolt
oh that's pretty cool I'll have to ask around
zealous wedge
vanishing message 👀
vernal bone
Yeah, i need to keep it a secret till I make it happen
☝️
potent fossil
except of course @vernal bone
that IRC never forgets
00:00 <+DiscordBot> <Simon.> I'll relase a plugin called ForceOp in spigot, and all it would do, is type out this in chat: "No op for you". Sure it would get a lot of searches
don't delete messages. it's stupid.
vernal bone
Okay 👍
potent fossil
that is of course until IRCv3's new message deletion thru tags is accepted everywhere
mental meadow
When you type /op in Chat it tells you that you are op'ed
golden gust
Should make it so that harmless commands act as like they have them and do stuff, but, any commands like /kill, backfire
mental meadow
Yeah, basically everything seems to work, or at least you get output as if it works 😄
that would be awesome
vernal bone
Should make it so that harmless commands act as like they have them and do stuff, but, any commands like /kill, backfire
Good idea, i'll start working on the plugin when i'll get home.
Might relase it on april1
potent fossil
lol
vernal bone
Uhm, will I get any punishment for Spigot becuase of the name of the plugin?
mental meadow
ugh why does intellij crash almost everytime when I try to auto complete a material
vernal bone
What a great idea
potent fossil
that was just a spur of the moment idea, but that is pre good tbh
vernal bone
What is the opposite of Harmful?
tame thorn
beneficial?
potent fossil
^
potent fossil
click edit
spice finch
What are your musthave IJ plugins? 👀
potent fossil
nyan cat progress bar above all
minor badge
git toolbox
and ideavim
i dont think i have any more must haves tbh, just a few pretty things and whatnot
spice finch
ngl nyan cat doesn't fit my material theme well 
potent fossil
sounds like a personal problem
vernal moth
Git toolbox be broke ok EAP right now :/
You only notice how much you miss a plugin until it's gone, lol
I also love the codelense an sonarlint
minor badge
ah sonarlint, thats the plugin ive been searching for
tawny stream
Is there a way to deal with the lighting bug?
limpid comet
/paper fixlight
tawny stream
@limpid comet and that's for all players?
limpid comet
That'll just recalculate lighting in your surrounding chunks
It's not really a solution, rather a bandaid
I don't think the Paper team has fixed the lighting bug yet (or if it even can be - I don't really know how it works)
tawny stream
@limpid comet it's apparently not working 🤔
limpid comet
What are you doing to try it?
And wdym "apparently" it should be pretty obvious if lighting is broken or not
tawny stream
@limpid comet it does work just on world map
but I've got different worlds in my server managed with multiverse
minor badge
then have em relog to see if its a client issue
limpid comet
You'll need to go to the specific locations and re-run /paper fixlight
tawny stream
yes, I was there but apparently the command did nothing 🤔
potent fossil
ok, can you at least show us what you're seeing that you're calling "lighting bug"
if you have optifine, try launching the game w/o it
if it still occurs w/o optifine, then it could be paper
(optifine or any mods that change clientside lighting, ig)
but this bug report exists for optifine https://github.com/sp614x/optifine/issues/4867
tawny stream
@potent fossil
potent fossil
and are you using optifine
tawny stream
nope, just a texture pack
the point is that when I run /paper fixlight in world works
but when I use it in this flat world it doesn't
limpid comet
I've never had an issue with running fixlight in different worlds. I guess I'd just check if you're on the latest version
Try logging in and out to refresh your chunks (or F3+A if that's the right keybind)
tawny stream
yes, when I break blocks and place them again fixes the lighting
minor badge
yeah thats just minecraft being minecraft
minor badge
ooh that aint mc being mc
mind tossing us a world copy if you cant just fixlight it?
quasi valley
quasi valley
I love it haha
potent fossil
Yeah it's awesome
golden gust
The lighting system is bork, in cases where the command doesn't work, it's potentially some risk that the system just overloaded itself to all shit or something
if somebody hates themselves enough, feel free to figure out wtf is going on there
mental meadow
Sometimes you just have to run it 5 times on the same spot until everything works 😄
potent fossil
golden gust
it's defo screwed somewhere, it's just "how it is so screwed", I'm not sure if it's backing up, losing work, or something else dumb
It's single threaded last I knew, so it can't go too far out, but, apparently it was meh and we made it super meh when we made chunks load fast
mental meadow
I'm not sure how me do the fixlight with FAWE differntly, but that one is a bit more reliable sometimes, but doesn't work with some blocks or underwater
golden gust
It's all the same system
mental meadow
It's completely bs
golden gust
chances are when you're testing you're just not having as many people running around straining the thing
mental meadow
probably something like that
twin lagoon
@mental meadow uwu
mental meadow
uwu michael and hi kneny
potent fossil
uwu
tawny stream
@minor badge cannot I upload here the .7z file?
potent fossil
i doubt discord will allow that
tawny stream
oh 😦
potent fossil
put it on google drive
tawny stream
@potent fossil is a flat world with 4 structures
potent fossil
makes sense then
potent fossil
ah yea that is indeed quite small
ashen cliff
A yes, the flatlen world sure looks epic.
void void
Helo
potent fossil
hi
void void
Iam new in this software what type of plugin can we get in paper
potent fossil
pretty much any spigot plugin will work, and we have our own plugin system that is coming soon
void void
Hypeverse seems good
potent fossil
ye
quasi valley
just fall asleep then 
twin lagoon
https://github.com/YatopiaMC/Yatopia/pull/232/commits/b32f0d12f31a9ef0a0c782ba7e70b1e0e1036fae a reminder that yatopia is the dumbest shit ever
potent fossil
of course that phantom gaming guy is in there
he's the GPU Compute Minecraft and "I built a minecraft server out of salvage parts and ran it out of my college dorm room and the entire college IT staff said it was amazing and played it daily" guy
vestal jasper
I like how none of them have profiled it
just took one look and went "yeah looks fine to me "
potent fossil
Yatopia
vestal jasper
yeah I expect nothing from them except dumbassery
vestal jasper
i like how he knew it broke several plugins before submitting the PR and submitted it anyway
potent fossil
yeah lol
minor badge
poor cat can't go trick-or-treating this year
vernal moth
Makes sense thon
forest elm
Anyone know of a plugin that adds permission groups to twitch subscribers?
golden gust
The measures are basically all over the place, however; Gov locked down too late to contain the spread, but, we where a Pita country as ours was introduced in several dozen places, not to mention how long it's been floating around since, honestly wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't what wiped me out a few dozen months ago, but 🤷♂️ (Yay for my besties mates having 0 concept of "if you're ill, don't fucking come around to peoples houses for hours on end)
The 10pm curfew is also kinda dumb, because now you just have people going out earlier, getting pissed faster, and now everybody has to disperse at the same time which overloads public transport
Not to mention the number of businesses it hurts, and the lack of support for these companies forced to shut their doors
vernal moth
Yeah, I agree that many measures are kinda dum and even actively harmful
worn ember
thank god the brits are isolated on an island
vernal moth
We don't have curfews and stuff here and everything but clubs is reopened, so it's not that bad for businesses
vernal moth
The biggest issue here is that we require buisnesses to come up with measures, and then get them approved
So it's all over the place
And different everywhere
limber knotBOT
lol we just give them a new maximum capacity and tell them to figure it out from there
No approval needed
worn ember
here there's guidelines that come from the city/town, and some from the government
vernal moth
So like, the swimming pool I was at last week required me to wear a mask from dressing to the actual pool
And I was like, wtf
worn ember
"swimming with mask required"
vernal moth
Yeah capacity is also smth we mandate
ashen cliff
On the other hand our country: More and more people are infected, what do we do?
Close business on Sundays, also masks are no longer required in schools,... hold up.
vernal moth
Some other swimming pool I was at just closed every other locker, some close every other dressing cabinet, it's a mess
Idk, I expect that to become more sane over time
God knows when the vaccines will be ready
But I don't expect that to be the case before summer
void void
Help
limpid comet
do you need me to call 911?
i'd like some opinions on this
which layout do you think is better
obviously the design on the second one is super scuffed
limpid comet
website for my minecraft network
its just the name of my network has nothing to do with cryptocurrency
mossy vessel
Can I donate with cryptocurrencies?
mossy vessel
What a scam
waxen panther
scam
limpid comet
the community has spoken. you can now donate with dogecoin
limber knotBOT
Can I use buttcoin?
limpid comet
https://i.imgur.com/cJ7bKrx.png ok i think this looks a bit better
olive marlin
What was the third proxy called? There's bungee, waterfall and the one from scratch, which I can't remember the name of.
Oh, velocity lol
marble lark
vernal moth
Where are you stuck?
Make sure you use wsl or whatever it on windows
And check line endings
vernal moth
Monday is dependabot day ;)
Lol, one view
Good trailer tho
Altho the first one was better
vernal moth
It's basically gta online: the movie
green turret
So apparently my physical therapist tested positive for COVID-19. God damnit. WFH this week for me until I can get tested 😦
vernal moth
https://youtu.be/0mcYnQ4JG8o first trailer btw
left swift
What is wfh
green turret
Work from home
left swift
O
green turret
I hate working from home.
left swift
Cuz ur neighbors?
vernal moth
Oh god, rewatching the first trailer
green turret
Yeah that's one reason. Although he's not home today.
minor badge
🥺
fallen oracle
Morning friends!
cedar spade
Afternoon Glare
minor badge
glare :D
fallen oracle
How are you all?
mental meadow
fine and you?
minor badge
i am good! how are you?
fallen oracle
I'm great! Got some new coffee this morning and I'm reading a book drinking the coffee.
cold pumice
Morning!
tiny fox
i want to make a own custom 1u server ,there are few points i am confusing:
1.the datacentre said the power support 0.5a but idk my server support 0.5a
2.i want to use my computer motherboard to make my server ,is that possible?i dont want to use ecc ram or buy sth like poweredge it is really expensive...
3.Is that all motherboard suitable with 1u server rack?
golden gust
I mean, that's the power rating, you'd need to know how much your system actually uses
But, really, just rent a server
colo is rarely ever cheaper for a single server, it's far from economical, not to mention, you're not covered for hardware failing, and have to budget in the whole "running around when shit does fail"
slim nymph
then the fun of working at the data center diagnosing and fixing stuff
plus not everyone lives near a datacenter
and colo'ing at a remote location you cant go to.... they gonna charge you for any time spent messing with your hardware
slim nymph
man i had the bombest steak last night to end my fast lol.
hit around 45~ hours on the fast
worn ember
you didnt eat for 45 hours?
slim nymph
yep
wasnt even hungry until the end and im sure that was psychological of wanting that steak
worn ember
that doesnt sound very healthy
worn ember
smh keto junky
slim nymph
doing it on non keto is ultimately going to put you in keto lol
golden gust
3 meals a day is only needed on the SAD
And same here, because caaaarbs
Gotta have more carbs to deal with the carb crash
worn ember
i hate it when my crabs crash
slim nymph
i took my vitamins and drank plenty of salt
worn ember
salt water to make the crabs happy
limber knotBOT
Hi. How do I list the active plugins again?
(I'm trying to test weather my old plugin from 10 years ago still works)
mossy vessel
/plugins
limber knotBOT
whoops, I started server.jar instead of paper-128.jar. Thanks, plugins worked.
worn ember
http3 is out already
twin lagoon
http3 >
slim nymph
wtf http3 now and were still barely to 2?
twin lagoon
Hello there,
We are excited to let you know that we will enable support for HTTP/3 in the upcoming month on one or more of your websites that use Cloudflare’s free plan. HTTP/3 is the latest version of HTTP, the protocol that your browser uses to talk to webservers (and Cloudflare!) Cloudflare is committed to pushing this new protocol forward, in our mission to help build a better Internet.
slim nymph
i can see it now, parts of website missing as udp packets fail
worn ember
udp handshake 
vernal moth
No clue how quic handles that
slim nymph
or new security exploits where bad websites send you udp packets while you load legit websites and manipulate it (theyll figure out a way to prevent this but im sure itll hit holes)
short yarrow
How do you guys test your API and UI, specifically for errors? Sometimes it's hard to satisfy the condition that throws the error, so I just end up write some dummy code to throw the error to see if the message displays correctly in the UI. Then I remove the code before I push. Anyone have a better way of testing?
golden gust
I mean, QUIC is essentially TCP reimplemented ontop of UDP
slim nymph
lol I love Hivelocity https://twitter.com/HIVELOCITY/status/1313093624238878720
Twitter
limpid comet
I read it as "hive-locity" in my head and now I feel stupid
slim nymph
click tweet for proper context, embed doesnt show the reply to
void void
what is the point of Hangar
limpid comet
To provide a distribution platform for Paper plugins
limpid comet
Yes, I'm quite excited for it
vernal moth
Hopefully we have smth ppl can test soon
pseudo pilot
who is phoenix616
vernal moth
Really happy with progress
void void
is it up and running?
limpid comet
Well, if there's any issues/PRs you guys need, I'm happy to help. Recently just got into vue, so I know the framework fairly well
need help with*
pseudo pilot
what's up with bukkit, spigot and paper
slim nymph
bukkit doesnt exists, it shutdown in MC 1.7 many years ago
vernal moth
is it up and running?
@void void there is a staging instance that breaks frequently and where the db gets deleted often
pseudo pilot
oh i see
pseudo pilot
then what's up with spigot vs paper
mental meadow
lol
pseudo pilot
why the need to fork spigot lol
mental meadow
that page is amazing
slim nymph
we have different views on how the projects should be done
we're pushing to fully break off from spigot
vernal moth
Paper aims to be more open to contributors
pseudo pilot
ah i see
slim nymph
create a better ecosystem for everyone
vernal moth
- looks at the amount of open PRs *
pseudo pilot
lol i see that's nice
pseudo solstice
But will u still have spigot api support?
slim nymph
eventually no
golden gust
mini, i hop u kik a bom
pseudo solstice
:(
slim nymph
@pseudo solstice at that point, plugin devs will bias paper instead
pseudo pilot
thanks autocorrect
golden gust
We have spigot API support now because, we're ontop of spigot
slim nymph
We will be the ultimate API controllers
pseudo solstice
Ok
slim nymph
we have all the largest plugins on our side already
pseudo solstice
You will rule the plugin world with an iron fist?
golden gust
The goal isn't to throw the spigot API out entirely, but, we'll actually start updating stuff
e.g. imagine component support
pseudo pilot
please redo the scheduler
pseudo solstice
All who oppose you shall be destroyed?
pseudo pilot
and allow main thread to be split up
slim nymph
well soon as we hard fork cat api would be implemented differently for many things 😛
pseudo pilot
niceeeeeeee
slim nymph
well were not hard forking until our usage share grows even more
golden gust
My point is more that we're not just gonna pull spigots API and start pissing on it
void void
next testbuildwen lol
golden gust
But, basically, we're not gonna hold ourselves back to maintain compat with that API
slim nymph
right but for new features, unless we just HAPPEN to line up lol
worn ember
ambitious
pseudo pilot
please dont run into copyright issues like spigot did
slim nymph
but right now papers at 60% share, if we get to like 75% and hard fork, plugin developers have no choice but to support paper
pseudo pilot
and then copyright all source code
slim nymph
um, our license preference is more open 😛
pseudo pilot
atleast that's what i heard
slim nymph
we license a lot of our code as MIT
worn ember
ah yes i'm looking forward to more modules 
pseudo pilot
ah nice
void void
i thought bukkit was the one that had license issues
slim nymph
everything does lol
worn ember
its all a gray zone mess
slim nymph
all the projects are legally grey
pseudo pilot
we're about to host an even with an expected 1k players
slim nymph
spigot and paper both have bukkits license drama, its why we cant release "plain" jars
pseudo pilot
there's gonna be eyes from a lot of tech CEOs
and microsoft asnwell
it'll be running on paper
lol
limpid comet
What's the event?
void void
kneneneny
pseudo pilot
it's called dubhacks
worn ember
microsoft pple: "wai no use vanilla surbur"
pseudo pilot
basically tour
golden gust
I mean, we've gotten mojang to see some of the stupidity of JE
void void
do you prefer java edition or the bedrock edition?
worn ember
does anyone here even play bedrock?
golden gust
Their CM was shocked when we told her about the fact that stuff like the feature search actually generates every chunk in it's quest to find a feature
slim nymph
i assure you mojang is not 'watching' in any meaningful context, theyve said that large servers isnt their focus
pseudo pilot
java edition rn since there's so much more support around it lol
worn ember
i dont even own the bedrock edition
pseudo pilot
oooooof
golden gust
Just, actually having them to get around to fixing stupid stuff like that is fun...
On the other hand
void void
u get given it for free for some people that owned java edition
slim nymph
we talk to mojang a lot FYI lol
pseudo pilot
ah nice
worn ember
i just @mojang on twitter and dab on them 
void void
what did they say aikar
slim nymph
what do you mean, theyve said lots of words
void void
in general
void void
how welcoming are they
limpid comet
I'm actually pretty curious about that as well, what do they think about Paper?
slim nymph
helen loves us lol, but shes not mojang anymore
worn ember
fired for bonding with paper 
slim nymph
but we just have various discussions around top of mind things
pseudo pilot
we're trying to get partnered or sponsored up with microsoft rn lol
limpid comet
"we're" being dubhacks?
slim nymph
that program is for bedrock edition
pseudo pilot
i'm the president for Minecraft @ University of Washington
basically rebuilding college campus and hosting events
worn ember
lol that sounds cringe as hell
limpid comet
be nice
pseudo pilot
it's pretty involved actually
limpid comet
those projects are actually pretty cool
slim nymph
is this a student group or faculty ran group lol
pseudo pilot
student lol
slim nymph
yeah that doesnt hold as much official weight 😛
pseudo pilot
we have to work our way through like
worn ember
im sure ms would love to put their foot in every door tho
slim nymph
well if you want professional relations, "dubhacks" is kind of a cringey name
pseudo pilot
nah that's the hackathon we're partnering with
limpid comet
what even is a hackathon
worn ember
its where you hack a ton
limpid comet
I know they're pretty big but idk what they entail
slim nymph
a focused event to go build something quick and dirty
limpid comet
ah
slim nymph
Director of Engineering at F5, and im prob one of the only people here who knows what F5 delivers lol
limpid comet
does it deliver a good refresh
pseudo pilot
lol prolly
golden gust
I wanna say nginx, but, i forget
slim nymph
the refresh of your web browser?
limpid comet
yes
slim nymph
high end load balancer
pseudo pilot
i want one for my engineering stuff
limpid comet
I was just making a stupid joke
pseudo pilot
too expensive
pseudo pilot
i'm not even a CS major and i'm programming plugins for the server because nobody else is doing it
i'm in materials scienceeee and i literaly learned java just a week ago
slim nymph
f5 is def not open source lol, they prob bought nginx to kill the riskiest competition
limpid comet
being a CS major isn't really a requirement
slim nymph
and nginx's advanced platform isnt free
golden gust
Aikar go woosh
limpid comet
that's cool, I never really looked into who owned nginx
golden gust
next week he'll be screaming at us to get off his lawn 😦
limpid comet
apache is a lot more obvious
vernal moth
F5 is a really nice company
left swift
I like f6 better
slim nymph
but yeah them buying nginx meansthe top load balancing stuff is still all their company
vernal moth
We use ton of their shit at work
worn ember
ew, wtf is this
pseudo pilot
Gisnel
worn ember
ah yes
slim nymph
today is a good day at work. 3.5 years ago we got the go ahead to COMPLETELY rebuild our UI. modern tech stack and all. today we flipped the switch to force everyone remaining to the new experience so we no longer have to worry about the legacy UI
worn ember
did it break?
slim nymph
that kind of joy doesnt happen often in companies
no, most people have been on it, just there was some stragglers and special situations left on old ui until now
pseudo pilot
how often do you guys use calculus when coding
slim nymph
none
golden gust
and hey, you'll be able to do it again in 10 years
slim nymph
likely just programmatic calls with raw http requests that just wrote HTTP/1.0 instead of 1.1
worn ember
i hope so xD
fallen oracle
I saw they are starting to move sites over to 3
worn ember
ye
pseudo pilot
ah i see
minor badge
java 14 is EOL doe
slim nymph
plugins have to move to a deeper hack to do certain reflection hackery
then if a newer version of java takes that hack away, RIP for them 😛
slim nymph
i thought that was 14?
pseudo pilot
oof i don't even know
vernal moth
Use 15
slim nymph
the answer to everything is: TEST!
pseudo pilot
lol
worn ember
slim nymph
they are hacking final on nms fields
which is really bad and you should turn yourself into the authorities for doing so
limpid comet
ahhh, yes, I've never done anything NMS related so that would explain why I've never used it
vernal moth
This was actually massivecore for their db thing, they for whatever reason had support for final fields
minor badge
@vernal moth it was 12
slim nymph
the jvm does optimizations for final fields, so you might change a constant field yet your changes wont actually take full effect
so the point is, give up trying
minor badge
java 12 made their jigsaw stuff apply to some java.lang.reflect classes
vernal moth
Pff aikar, edge cases
Can't reproduce
13 was where they removed the modifiers field I think
minor badge
no, the modifiers field still exists
vernal moth
Ok then, then you right ^^
minor badge
as of 12 you have to use varhandles tho
and as of xyz that sends a warning to stdout/err
slim nymph
basically they enforced a security rule but missed the side door, and when they add the security to the side door, itll be fully broken
limpid comet
man, you learn so much from the Paper discord
pseudo pilot
ikr
limpid comet
I have another one 😛
I always see "blah blah blah stop using Nashorn engine" whenever Featherboard starts up - what is Nashorn engine
golden gust
I mean, it has to be not so subtle, otherwise he won't get it
limpid comet
GOTEm
left swift
Hes too busy being drilled at the dentist to notice
limpid comet
he's.. what
golden gust
Yea, he gets drilled a lot
limpid comet
monkaS
left swift
Always complaining about jaw problems probably from all that drilling
worn ember
are we bullying simple?
pseudo pilot
imagine a == b is false when a and b is both int 128
limber knotBOT
Relax, it's not 128 on the real server. I'm just testing with an old version locally.
golden gust
sounds like javascript
worn ember
sounds like math
golden gust
.wat
pseudo pilot
it's normal java lol
worn ember
yes
limber knotBOT
.addcmd wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
So, the ancient plugin from 10 years ago starts, when I try to use a command I get that I don't have the permission for "<PluginName>.use", though I did add the "HappyAPI.use" permission to the default group. What do I need to do differently?
(I haven't run a server in 10 years, not sure I'm using LuckPerms correctly)
Do permissions changes take effect instantly, or is some reloading required somewhere?
cedar spade
RedNifre: are you sure said plugin supports Bukkit's permissions API? :p
limber knotBOT
I'm not.
It's all about chat, can I just allow every player to use the "/h" command provided by that plugin?
cedar spade
very old plugins supported permissions plugins directly, as there wasn't an standardised perms API to start with
I can't find the plugin with a quick search so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
I mean, paper recognizes it, it gives a different error message for "/h" than it does for "/othercommandsthatdontexist"
cedar spade
What plugin is it?
limber knotBOT
The plugin is not published, I used it on my own server ages ago.
It's the HappyAPI plugins that allows players to connect their own chat plugins to their user accounts.
That way, every player can become a chatbot, but without spamming (basically only responding to private messages)
cedar spade
I mean, you can have a look at /lp verbose on <player> to see if LP is handling the permission checks
limber knotBOT
E.g. I register my own server that sends random fortune cookie texts, players then do "/h RedNifre" or "/h r" if that's unambiguous, the plugin contacts the server registered to that user and displays the response in chat.
cedar spade
Otherwise, there's not a whole lot anyone here can help you with without access to the plugin
limber knotBOT
Is there no "grant everyone the use of /h"?
I mean, "You don't have <plugin name>.use" implies that it understands that I want to use /h
cedar spade
Perhaps
cedar spade
As I said, look at LP verbose
If permissions checks are happening, LP verbose mode will report them
limber knotBOT
[17:58:57 INFO]: RedNifre issued server command: /h
vernal moth
Nice quality and packaging tho
limber knotBOT
[17:58:57 INFO]: [LP] VB > rednifre - <plugin name>.use - undefined
minor badge
ooft that's one hell of a bottle
vernal moth
limber knotBOT
Hm, strange that it's undefined...
cedar spade
hmm that's one square bottle
vernal moth
Totally not sponsored
minor badge
lmao
vernal moth
It's 1.6 liters I think
worn ember
LTT merch 👀
vernal moth
Hopefully that helps me to drink more
cedar spade
"undefined" means that the user who was checked did not have the permission set
limber knotBOT
How can I see which permissions are set in the group default?
minor badge
/lp group default perm info?
cedar spade
limber knotBOT
Well, I added the happyAPI.use permission, but that doesn't link to the plugin. The message I get in the game chat is "You do don't have <plugin name>.use".
Does the plugin need a yaml specifying its name to make it compatible to LuckPerms or is there another way?
cedar spade
No
Double check you've entered the permission into LP exactly as it appears in LP verbose
limber knotBOT
I mean, all I want is "players in group default should be able to use the /h command of the HappyAPI plugin" :/
cedar spade
That includes the exact casing (not sure whether LP is case-sensitive or not, but just in case)
limber knotBOT
Ah, I had to use double quotes because of the space in <plugin name>
Okay, it seems to work now, thanks!
Solution was 'lp group default permission set "<plugin name>.use"'
limber knotBOT
The spaces are made up by paper because it doesn't know the name of the plugin
golden gust
paper doesn't make up plugin names
Paper gets the name of the p
lugin that the plugin itself defined
limber knotBOT
The plugin is actually called HappyAPI, but it's from the time before yaml.
golden gust
wut
limber knotBOT
Well, in this case it doesn't and calls it "<plugin name>"
worn ember
golden gust
the code literally looks for plugin.yml
limber knotBOT
But kudos to the Paper developers for making it so extremely backward compatible that this ancient plugin still works. Great job :)
golden gust
if there is no plugin.yml, it blows
limber knotBOT
it really doesn't, it works.
golden gust
and the extreme backwards compat is actually highly detrimental
e.g. chat plugins can't cleanly use stuff like the new fancy RGB because of the whole "gotta keep plugins from 2012 working"
void void
vernal moth
wow, the website of our tax office has a dark mode now
but it sucks 😂
sadly better than dark reader tho, dark reader looks horrendous on that site
oh, dark reader + their dark theme is good
nice
slim nymph
#REBEL ! TeamTriss
im glad i did that quest before going to triss, makes more sense lore wise
(that's not really a spoiler for those who haven't played, you just get to choose which person to be in a relationship with).
void void
.wat
limber knotBOT
slim nymph
it's Witcher 3
which prob doesnt help you still, since if you know what Witcher is, you would have recognized it
deep vigil
When Paper hard forks from spigot I'll be sure that my plugin only supports paper and move to hangar
limber knotBOT
What's hangar?
void void
lol
deep vigil
Paper's upcoming plugin repository
void void
a place where u put ur garbage on display
limber knotBOT
Irc discrimination
mighty storm
ikr
unreal quarry
easy solution: close the bridge
limber knotBOT
I need IRC, Discord doesn't have a fax bridge, so how could my secretary fax my messages here, that I type on my typewriter?
slim nymph
a lot of javascripts quirks are just quirks of loosely typed languages and lack of error validation on questionable operations which would lead to performance degredation checking it that much
they actually make sense on "why" for the most part, and are not a problem in the real word when you actually write code with stronger typing
minor badge
at least python has a type system
javascript likes imagining it does while it really doesn't while it really does
ocean harbor
someone know plugin what check account on license?
minor badge
what
green turret
... Premium?
ocean harbor
example here write Use license account for join the server
green turret
Turn on online mode and you'll never need to check!
Cepbepy is Russian for creepy. Stop using creepy clients!
minor badge
yeah thats literally online mode
ocean harbor
okay when i write what i mean, i understand that i need write to developer plugins
no, i have idea about if you from license - you dont need write your password, but if you from pirated client - you going to lobby with authme something like this i writed
fallen oracle
Picked up some Galaxy Buds yesterday. They are pretty comfy. Anyone else have anything similar?
twin lagoon
sony's earbuds are epic
ocean harbor
Cepbepy is Russian for creepy. Stop using creepy clients!
@green turret i am from russia, this word doesn't exist
twin lagoon
wf-1000xm3
vernal moth
wh-1000xm3 tho
twin lagoon
eh
i would wait for black friday actually
but i don't think you'd get a discounted xm4
maybe xm3
the xm3 used to be discounted quite often
vernal moth
he needs the 4s
twin lagoon
bundled with certain stuff aswell
vernal moth
I coudln't wait 6 weeks after I made the decision to buy smth
mighty storm
vernal moth
then again, I dont really care about the like 50 bucks I would save
worn ember
wtf am i reading
zealous wedge
you need to define u and w chew
green turret
I am really really bad at committing to spending money. If it's more than 20 bucks I'll spend weeks thinking about it before committing.
mighty storm
Not sure what it needs
wide chasm
You need to use the capital letters for normal values I think
worn ember
math is actually useful
mighty storm
Got me there
wide chasm
And then [X] is for matrices and then those lowercase letters are for lists
green turret
A matrix is not a list in this calculator world!
mighty storm
I have lowercase letters enabled
wide chasm
Some can iirc
green turret
Have you tried with owo instead of uwu?
wide chasm
But you can also define your own lists which is pretty nice
mighty storm
Yeah that's a different object though
Yeah
2nd + 7 and 9, those give the invalid data type error though not invalid syntax like the lowercase do
wide chasm
I think lowercase u, v and w can store something.
mighty storm
They can, not sure why though
wide chasm
I think u, v and w are the default names for vectors in math, but it's been a while, so may be incorrect
worn ember
UV yes get a load of that
mighty storm
There's these
wide chasm
Sounds related to some weird plotting mode
mighty storm
Forgot I have like 80 programs on here lol
wide chasm
How's your memory not full?
mighty storm
All archived
wide chasm
I see
mighty storm
You can run games from archive as of like 5.3 or so
wide chasm
Yes
mighty storm
Later versions hinder programming and stuff so
I'll stay here
5.6 allows python programming but only on one specific type of calculator in France or something
wide chasm
smh
Just learn assembly and make programs in that
It's better than TI-Basic at least
mighty storm
They got rid of assembly programs in i think 5.6 as well
mighty storm
According to someone on my ti84 programming server
idk I haven't used my calculator in 2 years lol
wide chasm
Me neither
unreal quarry
oh man, graphing calculators 😮 I havent seen one of those in 20 years :3
wide chasm
I did have a chat program for the TI, which you could connect with another calculator and send messages across. It's terribly written, but it worked.
limber knotBOT
I wrote a compiler that compiles Commodore 64 BASIC programs for the (non graphical) HP 15c Calculator ^^ https://gitlab.com/michaelzinn/voyc
Since the calculator only displays numbers, the compiler also outputs a piece of paper with numbered text, so when the calculator outputs a complex number, it means that you have to look up the text with that number on the Strings sheet to read what the calculator is trying to tell you.
worn ember
mighty storm
Still a great movie
pseudo pilot
will the paper fork eventually implement a GUI system
twin lagoon
for what
pseudo pilot
for players
twin lagoon
define GUI system in detail
mossy vessel
mental crystal
?
pseudo pilot
really?
twin lagoon
you can't modify the client gui
pseudo pilot
ah
rip
can you even do custom textures
without needing a resource pack
or making custom entities/items/etc
mental crystal
I think I saw a plugin doing that without resource pack but not sure
twin lagoon
you need a resource pack for it to be proper
pseudo pilot
ah
limber knotBOT
I really wish it were possible to disable PMs on bukkitdev
some guy has a feature request and he thinks it's an issue, after telling him to put it on GitHub he gets all mad
pseudo pilot
lol
mossy vessel
Imagine reading mails from dbo
unreal quarry
limber knotBOT
extrahardmode
I finally decided to read what he put and it's already a config option anyways
so his "others cab enjoy it" statement just makes his PM all the sillier
And thirdly, there is documentation, which includes disabling this feature, should be part of mob grinders. Again, this is why I want these types of conversations public so that, as you say, "others can enjoy it", it being the solutions too.
shoulda copied his typo
o well
mossy vessel
I've never contacted someone via dbo for issues or so, mostly put it on GH straight up
stiff yarrow
1.17 is more hype to me than 1.16 so far
dim shadow
agreed lol
its gonna be awkward for my server tho... im gonna have to expand my world border 2x in one direction
cause im pretty sure there will be world seams
stiff yarrow
back in the day I wiped my servers map weekly, at one point it was like every 3 days, kind of a Rust vibe (before Rust existed that is)
limber knotBOT
ya I have issues disabled in my projects/have it link out to github
void void
.g what does endeavor mean
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/endeavor -- Endeavor | Definition of Endeavor by Merriam-Webster: "Endeavor definition is - to attempt (something, such as the fulfillment of an obligation) by exertion of effort. How to use endeavor in a sentence...."
void void
.g How 2 use endeavor in s3tence
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a165312.pdf -- Aids to Practice.: "Jan 19, 2020 ... Wten you enter practice, you will undoubtedly devise and use other forns, checklists, and ... Before I do, I want you to know that..."
dumcordians
void void
.g Definition of Endeavors
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/endeavor -- Endeavor | Definition of Endeavor by Merriam-Webster: "Endeavor definition is - to attempt (something, such as the fulfillment of an obligation) by exertion of effort. How to use endeavor in a sentence...."
void void
.g How to code spigot plugins for beginners with no previous programming experience
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/spigot-plugin-development/ -- Spigot Plugin Development | SpigotMC - High Performance...: "Aug 19, 2020 ... Creating a plugin with Maven using IntelliJ IDEA · Creating an ... How to learn Java programming ... This guide assumes that the..."
mossy vessel
Could've just use another search engine instead of spamming the channel 
void void
just wanted to test out the bot 🤷♂️
void void
limber knotBOT
here is the only thing you need to know about that command: it uses "<searchterm>" as the google query
stiff yarrow
@void void less google bot usage pls
cunning raft
google.nk
cosmic raft
I'm mad they got rid of https://www.google/
cunning raft
did they actually have that tld
twin lagoon
they still have it
they had com.google as april fools joke
google domains is the only thing running on it iirc
cunning raft
nah they have a shit ton on the google tld
woven otter
dum irc user
void void
dumicr
limber knotBOT
unoriginal, dum ideas
woven otter
dum irc
limber knotBOT
eww you weirdos, using a computer
.g dumcord
(RoboMWM) https://github.com/zachbr/Dis4IRC/issues/21 -- Dumcord -> IRC works but not IRC -> dumcord with exception...: "Jan 30, 2019 ... Idk wat dum is happening but for some reason it'll only 100% bridge messages on one channel, the rest it'll only go from dumcord ->..."
telegraph only
woven otter
wtf go back to working on configurate
limber knotBOT
look at dat, I should trademark it
fax is tolerable but on thin ice
100% proof original idea
owned by me
woven otter
dum ideas owned by dum people
and dum people that happen to be irc users
thats extra dum
woven otter
oh I don't like where this is going