@meager tusk 
#general
twin lagoon
ornate spindle
thing is after a reboot at 100 players, mspt is 20, after 5 hours, mspt is over 100 with the same player count
limber knotBOT
idk about how many players they have. if they don't assign memory according to what the server actually needs then obviously the GC will not clean it up
twin lagoon
@meager tusk fix my bug 
meager tusk
twin lagoon
you're fired
he thinks I'll fix his NPE
twin lagoon
ornate spindle
even if it isn't GCing correctly, how come there's non-ticking entities in unloaded chunks
twin lagoon
ornate spindle
surely the server should be removing them when it unloads, but when mspt is over 50, the playerchunkmap gets leaky along with chunks taking forever to load
waxen panther
Yes
limber knotBOT
do you have plugins installed? because then my bet would be that something is keeping a reference to them
ornate spindle
thing is, this issue is happening across 4 different 1.16.3 servers, most of them only have a few plugins in common such as luckperms, essentials, vault, buycraft, all viaversion plugins, protocollib and coreprotect
cunning raft
kneny never make error!
ornate spindle
we actually had it happen on one of the servers when coreprotect was disabled due to our database getting full
anyways, once winter break comes around, I'm sure more servers will experience issues of chunks not loading and entities not despawning from unloaded chunks / being outside of the despawn range when tps is below 20
lucid comet
is there a plugin that lets you set bounties on other people with diamonds?
magic ice
As the founding team of Minecraft, we are 10 developers working on a game enjoyed by over 100,000,000 players worldwide.
Iโd have expected more devs than 10 tbh
dim shadow
doesn't say if it's a work from home thing or a moving to sweden thing
twin lagoon
likely moving to sweden
marble lark
I really wonder how the world will look after the cave update, seems like those caves are huge, if you mine 3 blocks under the grass, and fall down into one...
@void void Inb4 someone mines down by 1 block and falls right into the dark cave thing that's home to that monster that came straight from Amnesia/SCP
dim shadow
likely moving to sweden
@twin lagoon damn
quasi valley
it's with moving
dim shadow
how do u find out if a cargo ship at the docks is headed to sweden next?
dim shadow
not a paper contributor but i'd gladly move there to do paper's bidding... i just need a plane ticket and somebody's attic
void void
They don't care about server side performance at all
And 1.17 looks like something that would have 1.14 performance
dim shadow
oh god pls no ;-;
not 1.14 again
that was the worst update for performance in my experience
i literally went from 15+ players no problem to 10tps at the 7th player
void void
Singleplayer forever ๐
twin lagoon
they hired two people just for server peformance after 1.14
dim shadow
im not sure if it shows or if the improvements since then have been mainly spigot/paper's end
vernal moth
can you guys pls not freak out?
and let mojang do their job?
wait till we get our hands on the actual implementation before making any assumptions
dim shadow
no we need a paper spy at mojang
golden gust
I mean, in dev teams, you rarely get to say that you're just gonna go work on X part of the codebase
you have a task list and that's, well, your tasks
waxen panther
the list is made by people much higher up than devs
dim shadow
wat
waxen panther
you can't sell performance to the young majority of mc
dim shadow
bill gates?
waxen panther
๐
dim shadow
yeah i know that, i figured that's why they don't care as much
much easier to please the kids with more new shit
golden gust
performance is hard
waxen panther
it's not as easy as 5 performance dev = +5 tps
dim shadow
i mean yeah LOL
golden gust
I bet that there is only a small % of people in here who are actually capable of writing performant code
waxen panther
leaf-chan uwu
golden gust
Not to mention, writing performant code is fucking ass
dim shadow
much easier to add new shit than fix old shit
golden gust
There is often a balance between speed and maintainability
all great being able to write code which is shit hot until you gotta look after it
dim shadow
yeah sounds like a whole art form xD
i do my best and then fix when timings blames my plugin
golden gust
Aka, you fall into the exact trap that mojang does
dim shadow
at the moment i gotta focus on pumping out projects quickly
i might have to get another job soon so goodbye coding ;-;
golden gust
literally, mojang
dim shadow
LOL
waxen panther
Don't worry Leocabotive, we will wend you our very best developer
golden gust
At the end of the day, it's hard to say how fast code is, especially when you're dealing with scaling to levels you literally dream of being able to come close to in your testing environment
dim shadow
awww โค๏ธ @waxen panther
void void
๐คช
golden gust
Majority of devs don't know the first thing about making code run fast outside of "Sets are O(n)!!!", which in and of itself is bullshit
dim shadow
At the end of the day, it's hard to say how fast code is, especially when you're dealing with scaling to levels you literally dream of being able to come close to in your testing environment
@golden gust omg YES LOL
waxen panther
cat spittin bars rn
dim shadow
"guys rush server now $100 if u log in within next 2 minutes"
ornate spindle
bet many don't even realise that lambdas causes memory allocations
golden gust
Thanks to paper, you have people running around screaming that streams are literally that german guy now
void void
concurrency is one of the more important topics on performance
dim shadow
is that using threads?
ornate spindle
concurrency is hard, you'll end up like how chunks are now where they lock the main thread sometimes when loading
or take ages to load
void void
uwu
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streams are fineee in many cases
but they sure could be better served by just doing .for in their ides instead to have a good ol loop
vernal moth
I mean, mojang is passing streams around in a couple of places, that you can do witha normal for loop
golden gust
streams can have performance improvements over for loops in some cases, it really boils down to how you're using them and where
dim shadow
mfw i've only used streams once
lucid comet
is there a plugin that lets you set bounties on other people with diamonds?
dim shadow
not to my knowledge cricke maybe someone else knows
dapper nacelle
@lucid comet what if someone set a bounty on you and your friend killed you and you 2 split the bounty
golden gust
you get the bounty that's thrown in
You'd literally just be getting your stuff back unless the person was hated so much the bounty was added onto by others
dapper nacelle
ye
mighty storm
oh i missed the part where this was ingame i thought yall were doin this irl smh
limber knotBOT
diamondsw are worthless though? lol
mighty storm
yeah, 2 netherite or bust
how many "EnoughItems" mods are there what the heck
TooManyItems, NotEnoughItems, JustEnoughItems, now AlmostEnoughItems and RoughlyEnoughItems, lmao
limber knotBOT
gotta love mods not updating fast enough ๐
next frost
is there a name generator for that?
limber knotBOT
NEI was actually creative, everything after that was just dumb imo
mighty storm
NEI was great, none of the "forks" have some features NEI had
limber knotBOT
only ExactlyEnoughItems will be the ultimate one though
limber knotBOT
xD
ocean harbor
someone can give essentials discord please?
cedar spade
yes I will give essentials a discord
ocean harbor
i find
mighty storm
we should really be asking for the paper server, which is discord.gg/papermc
cedar spade
huh what's this papermc thing all about then
mighty storm
Epic
vernal moth
That must have felt great
void void
I wish i knew how to ride a bike
ocean harbor
someone know developer of multiMOTD, because on bukit page in contact he have skype, but i dont know what is skype
mossy vessel
Just dm them on spigot?
ocean harbor
that plugin last updated 6 years ago
@twin lagoon on spigot page it was updated 2 years ago
ocean harbor
ok
void void
how to reduce that ?
golden gust
How the heck are we supposed to know?
You're the one who's looking at the timings
not to mention, it was 63 ticks out of whatever timeframe you selected
void void
my timings report: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=2d8564d1b2c04c0d9e4943345e0bb842
I have tried without my plugins and it's the same result
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
golden gust
- Outdated plugin
ocean harbor
its not to here
void void
Wooow, a Red Pepper !
golden gust
matt, you see the big red text on the left of the page? read it
void void
Yes, but I had changed the GC some time ago and still had the same loss of TPS followed by more lag, so I reset the GC to default
twin lagoon
golden gust
string dedup is hardly a "make the server run faster" flag...
your GC is also clearly hurting you
You'll have to work out how to fix that, otherwise nobody here can help you
ocean harbor
yes multimotd is bad, when i deleted this plugin - is deleted my config
slim nymph
@void void just because it did not fully solve issue isn't reason to degrade your performance, use the flags
unreal quarry
i cant login to my twitter. someone got my password and changed my phone number or something ๐ฆ
slim nymph
I'm now at around 40 hours of fasting and still not hungry lol, got a 1.07 steak marinating for tonight
@stiff yarrow
No
quasi valley
fresh wigeon
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@true canyon :0
true canyon
uwu
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are you being fricken by tebex good sir
twin lagoon
uwu
true canyon
@cloud imp You must be confusing me with someone else. I have never used tebex or similar services. The community server I co-ran with a team only ever took direct paypal payment to fund the server and gave the same thing to everyone who contributed (gold colored username, and occasionally something else extra that didn't let them kill faster), so no need for a sales platform.
twin lagoon
probably confused w/ spigot drama gen
golden gust
Oh god, that reminds me of this time when we where stuck with this bitch of an admin/old "friend"
I joked about creating an axe which would basically be a ban hammer
and had the idea, "april first... it backfires..."
God, I wish the server had lasted that long
twin lagoon
lmao
golden gust
drama generator
mighty storm
let's check the twitter
cedar spade
Only a threat
twin lagoon
uwu!!
fallen oracle
Need a !drama command
cedar spade
Chester already has one
mighty storm
chewbotcca has it ๐ not a plug
twin lagoon
๐
mighty storm
5 prs have conflicts lol
peak dirge
the sad part is that I can see this happening https://drama.essentialsx.net/eyJzZW50ZW5jZSI6MTIwLCJwZW9wbGUiOlsyNywzMl0sImRyYW1hIjpbMTVdfQ==
stiff yarrow
I'm now at around 40 hours of fasting and still not hungry lol, got a 1.07 steak marinating for tonight
@slim nymph I havenโt done longer than a 24 hour fast yet but Iโm planning to try it in the near future
twin lagoon
it's randomized
twin lagoon
yeah getting a bit annoying
mighty storm
ok
dim shadow
"EssentialsX issue tracker updates their contributing guide, /r/admincraft rages" wtf LOL
cunning raft
make an issue
mighty storm
you don't?
cedar spade
Paper is under "things", PaperMC Discord is under sites
void void
yo is there like a mc command that starts a raid
cunning raft
you can drop off any bug reports you might have to your nearest trashcan
mighty storm
yeah give yourself the bad omen effect i think
cedar spade
and genuinely, open a PR if you want to add stuff, it's going to get lost and forgotten here (and this is Paper #general not the Spigot Drama channel, people want to discuss other things here)
mighty storm
mental meadow
MOSS discord 
mighty storm
rory simping server
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pinapl ๐ฅบ
cedar spade
No, it's a trivial side project
cunning badge
Idk why you merge commits like these: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4607
Its hacktoberfest spam and should be marked as spam
mental meadow
But its not wrong
cunning raft
who cares what their motivation is
cedar spade
^
cunning badge
https://blog.domenic.me/hacktoberfest/
Aight, your decision. But ill just leave this post here for you guys to read through
cosmic raft
yea I wouldn't have merged that personally
minor badge
we don't care much
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if it's spam, we'd just pass on invalid label & close
golden gust
part of why I don't want the paperdocs being used for that too
twin lagoon
Aight, your decision. But ill just leave this post here for you guys to read through
minor badge
typos are typos though
twin lagoon
that post shows a good example
this is just a typo fix
it would've been fixed by someone sooner or later
golden gust
Yes, but
- it breaks the entire concept of hacktoberfest
- It's fucking annoying dealing with readme fixes because mah t-shirt
cunning badge
You simply motivate the people to do those commits and grab a free tshirt and simply ruin the spirit of actually contributing to awesome open source projects
cedar spade
heck I've done similar PRs to that outside of hacktoberfest (admittedly larger)
minor badge
i dunno, it's not a big deal
golden gust
if you're not gonna submit a PR for a typo on any other data, and I really doubt that that is a single typo in there, but, like, still
minor badge
it's a typo, would've been fixed
cunning raft
hacktoboerfest isn't ruining open source, braindead idiot youtubers who encourage spam are
cunning badge
The guy that made the PR literally barely does any commits anywhere. Im actually sure he goes for a free tshirt
minor badge
cool, so he gets one
mental meadow
and so?
mental meadow
I don't see the issue
cunning raft
yet again at the end of the day, he fixed a typo
minor badge
doesn't mean we're supposed to deny his contribution as it is a valid one
cunning raft
i don't give a fuck if he did it for a tshirt
mighty storm
but we arent gonna mark it as hacktober-accepted lmao
minor badge
it was merged so it counts anyways
mental meadow
dont need to chew
cunning raft
approval = accepted
mighty storm
that's word for word what you're not supposed to do
cunning badge
Every PR gets accepted except the ones marked as spam
quasi valley
but we arent gonna mark it as hacktober-accepted lmao
that literally does not matter at all
minor badge
not anymore, crystall
mighty storm
quasi valley
they don't care
minor badge
if it's merged or marked as accepted, it will work
cunning badge
@minor badge yes it still counts
cosmic raft
PRs count if:
Submitted in a repo with the hacktoberfest topic AND
during the month of October AND (
The PR is merged OR
The PR is labelled as hacktoberfest-accepted by a maintainer OR
The PR has been approved
)
uwura
cunning raft
now what digital ocean should do is not count prs with minor tweaks (sub 10line diff) to md or txt files themselves
mental meadow
Again, it doesn't matter discussing it here. We accepted it because there was a typo and they fixed it, I don't get this discussion.
golden gust
The discussion is how it should be treat in the future
once again, having fixes for typo's is nice, but, this october flood of stupid PRs gets annoying at times
cunning raft
don't be a dumbass
minor badge
we've had 2 people open PRs just to get the shirt
one was a typo fix, the other was billy and his bug fixes
cunning badge
Im trying to make sure that people are not contributing a single word typo fixes or remove a whitespace because this shit literally spams tons of open source projects. If you guys don't care its alright. I just wanted to give you guys a little hint to maybe think about such stuff
mental meadow
then don'T add the hacktoberfest label if you don't want contributions
golden gust
submitting PRs to get a shirt where they're substantive are nice
quasi valley
that literally doesn't matter aurora
golden gust
PRs just because "oh, I gotta get a shirt and 1 line typo fix", bleh
mental meadow
imo improving typos in a readme also improves open source projects
minor badge
it isn't my money lol, digitalocean decides who they spend their money on
mental meadow
yes it does kneny
quasi valley
no
mental meadow
otherwise it isnt counted
quasi valley
of course it is?
mental meadow
PRs count if: Submitted in a repo with the hacktoberfest topic AND during the month of October AND ( The PR is merged OR The PR is labelled as hacktoberfest-accepted by a maintainer OR The PR has been approved )
the repo has to has the topic
quasi valley
OR
mental meadow
they changed that
worn ember
what if i pr typo's so others can fix them 
quasi valley
big fat OR
mental meadow
"Submitted in a repo with the hacktoberfest topic AND"
golden gust
the PR is merged
twin lagoon
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if DO thinks 1 word fixes are worth spending the production and shipping costs, i'm not really gonna stop someone from contributing just because of the month of the year
mental meadow
kneny can you read
cunning raft
the repo must be opt in year
cunning raft
nothing matters if you don't have hacktoberfest in repo labels
quasi valley
okay sorry then
cunning raft
if you want to do that whatever
mental meadow
cunning badge
mental meadow
see the blog post
minor badge
the docs arent up to date
twin lagoon
PR to hacktoberfest docs
minor badge
that's an open issue on the repo, just nobody's fixed it
twin lagoon
unreal quarry
you guys.. typo fixes are perfectly valid PRs, imho. Hell, there was even a 5 y/o little girl that contributed to the linux kernel as a typo fix to "make the 's' happy".. every contribution matters if it gets merged. if it was a bad contribution it would be rejected. the fact that someone legit fixed a typo in the paper repo and it got merged means it was legit.
cunning badge
Oh I didnt see the update
mental meadow
michael you're valid
twin lagoon
uwu
golden gust
The thing we don't wanna encourage is 1 word type fixes which flood the queue because gotta get a shirt
mental meadow
.typing
limber knotBOT
true canyon
They had to rush an update to the handling of hacktoberfest because some large youtubers promoted how to get a free t-shirt by spamming PRs, and only came out with the updated setup yesterday.
golden gust
it is an issue because it encourages shitty behavior all around
mental meadow
Fixing a typo, even if small == shitty behavior
quasi valley
it's not about bad or valid prs, but about people quickly snagging a t-shirt instead of doing what you're supposed to do for it
minor badge
if it's a bad PR, it gets closed. there's nothing more to it, really
minor badge
if DO wants to spend their money on that, that ain't really our issue?
mental meadow
I'll start being as salty as you if I don't get a shirt because of stuff like that, but until then I approve it ๐
twin lagoon
let's deny it, keep the typo
quasi valley
cuz ur a ๐ michale
true canyon
It's being discussed because people disagree on the matter and want to discuss it. ๐
cunning raft
the idea of it being a "burden to open source projects" seems just like elitism to me. I understand small typos not being in the spirit of open source but at the end of the day who cares.
cedar spade
Because someone was like "ree why do you accept these PRs" and people actually had opinions on it
mighty storm
do waht rails does and just deny all typo/grammar prs cus it messes up blaming
true canyon
Brilliant chew
mental meadow
I added a word to the javadocs am I spamming now as well? ๐
cunning raft
you saved 10 seconds of manual labor
green turret
mbaxter is wonderful
mighty storm
you cant delete prs ๐ข
cunning raft
close wtvr
true canyon
Here's a fun PR https://github.com/Bukkit/Bukkit-JavaDoc/pull/95
cedar spade
My current hacktoberfest contributions: https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/compare/89b3c9233ee5...6e6dd041d50c
cosmic raft
lmao mbax
cunning raft
people still maintain bukkit org lmao
mental meadow
hacktoberfest encouraged me to learn how to do paper patches
true canyon
Not really JRoy, he happened to still have access and I pointed out that person would actually get credit due to submitting before the change.
cedar spade
Anyway it's 8pm and I need to eat and watch a lecture
One of those may not happen tonight
mental meadow
we already have the label on the repo
cunning raft
fucking hate those prs
quasi valley
thouuuusands of repos with that ๐ but it's actually somewhat useful, soo
vernal moth
It's an easy fix tho
zealous wedge
@cunning raft that's one of the gradle devs lol
cunning raft
yeah ik lulw
zealous wedge
I assume it's part of their effort to block people from using non-https repos in gradle
cunning raft
well he's head of security or something iirc
zealous wedge
ah makes sense lol
snow flax
vernal bone
How does Hacktober affects paper merging requests?
cunning raft
announcement
true canyon
โค๏ธ
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it doesn't at all affect PRs which actually change something substantive (e.g. rewriting parts of the docs to fix clear issues with them, fixing all the typos in the contrib file, actual patches, etc.), if that's what you mean simon
golden gust
DO have put forward 70k shirts in order to encourage OSS development and pique people coming into OSS
The team believes that allowing PRs which violate the guidelines that DO themselves have pushed out defeat the entire point of the thing, and essentially take away from others who want to play fairly, especially this early on in the game where good PRs can take a fair chunk of effort
We have nothing against small PRs to fix bugs, etc, but, feel that there needs to be a bar which isn't on the floor, essentially
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@golden gust pls merg
diff --git a/cat.txt b/cat.txt
index b8f1280..861f0fb 100644
--- a/cat.txt
+++ b/cat.txt
@@ -1 +1 @@
-DO have put forward 70k shirts in order to encourage OSS development and pique people coming into OSS
+DO has put forward 70k shirts in order to encourage OSS development and pique people coming into OSS
What is this and where can I get free shirt
spice finch
https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/ RoboMWM :D
ngl hacktoberfest taught me how to create PRs and contribute ๐ But this year is sooo unlucky for this event
(btw, I haven't received my shirt last year ๐ฆ )
limber knotBOT
I didn't need no free tshirt to go into o's
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they fucked up themselves
limber knotBOT
Just good ol' IRC
mental meadow
If I don't get a shirt I'll cry
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they started advertising on youtube and shit and now the indians are backfiring
mental meadow
spice finch
if only indians, I've seen many chinese people literally spamming and crying about their PRs not getting merged/getting invalid label
mighty storm
dont bash india, they banned tiktok
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meh i doubt they're the only ones josh, but it is in their culture to cheat the system anytime possible so 
mighty storm
theyre basically god tier country at this point
golden gust
hello, my name is tom, you're talking to X customer support
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wh
cunning raft
US was close chew!
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our marriage licence says Shane, cat??
limber knotBOT
Do I get anything for accepting prs
mighty storm
Some dumb judge blocked the ban
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michale ๐ฅบ
worn ember
Anyway it's 8pm and I need to eat and watch a lecture
@cedar spade i read that as lettuce and i was really confused for a second
cunning raft
Some dumb judge blocked the ban
technically it was a preliminary injunction, not something saying it was illegal
worn ember
you get pr's Robo
cunning raft
but if the Oracle deal goes through the shitter
worn ember
free code
cunning raft
we may be tiktok free
mighty storm
we can hope
spice finch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V2C0X4qqLY
Every tech support :D Don't worry about the title, it's not polish video at all
limber knotBOT
Ha
Well I guess there's some repos i'd be interested in seeing what sort of prs appear
golden gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThGcKwwFlaQ casual reminder that this bridge 1) still exists 2) even after being raised still does its job
limber knotBOT
Last time I got a large batch of free code I paid the price over a few months and kinda still am
limber knotBOT
Maintain my repo and my mental health hmmm
worn ember
@spice finch 
every helpdesk tbh
spice finch
I had to call helpdesk once, fortunately someone who actually knows english answered ๐ I feel my english was worse than his
worn ember
sad truth is its usually the dum dums that have to do the helpdesk, the people who actually know their shit obviously arent at the phones lol
mighty storm
cyan car was like ๐
cosmic raft
yea chew lmao
cedar spade
Can we start fixing typos on 1st November
worn ember
i feel like they shoulve made that bridge like 10cm heigher lmao
golden gust
The best part is is that they raised it up 8 inches and people still get opened
They can't
That's a rail bridge right above it
worn ember
just raise it too smh
golden gust
They already did
cosmic raft
golden gust
you can't go up hills too well with trains
cosmic raft
compilation
worn ember
you've never seen the belgian train tracks then
golden gust
Raising a train bridge has serious implications on it
worn ember
they go in every direction except straight
worn ember
they actually changed a crossway to a tunnel here in my city
its like 20ยฐ incline tho xD
cuz they didnt have much place to put it
golden gust
The issue is that that requires significant disruption times to the train service
and you also gotta plan for it
trains pretty much cannot climb up hill without a run up, basically
unreal quarry
golden gust
they have almost 0 traction
worn ember
i dont ever recall trains being interrupted here
and i take the train every day to college
on that line
not sure how they did it
golden gust
branched off?
golden gust
is the new tunnel exactly where the old bridge was?
worn ember
there was no bridge, just an intersection
golden gust
Well, that?
golden gust
god knows, unless they did it during some time of the year where nobody cares, etc ๐คทโโ๏ธ
worn ember
dont remember when they did it exactly, could be that it was during my break or something, which seems likely
i just remember there not being a tunnel
then suddenly being a tunnel
golden gust
probs, because they'd have to pull up track, dig and make a tunnel structurally sound, etc, etc
worn ember
yeah
golden gust
Like, line workers can do crazy amounts of rail at night, that's their go time, but, there are limits to their will ๐
worn ember
they wanted to make a bicycle highway next to a bridge somewhere too, and they already started digging then it turns out it wouldnt be strucutally sound lol
so they just left it half dug out
golden gust
Fuck you
i don't mind cylists in general
it's the fuckers who run red lights and almost knock people over and act like the person was in the wrong coz they weren't seen swiping through cars, etc
worn ember
i just hate those sport cyclists that drive on the road and drive with like 3 next to each other
golden gust
I totes just wanna jam a stick in their rear wheels
worn ember
lol
that reminds me
back in the "scouts" we were dropped of somewhere and had to walk to some location, one of my friends literally took a big stick and put it between the legs of the other dude and he fell so hard on his face
good times
golden gust
Like, over here cycling on the pavement is a bit of a no-no, but, police generally don't care, and, tbqh, I don't blame them and often do the exact same when I'm not feeling super confident coz fuuuck being around car drivers in some areas
worn ember
yeah, same
golden gust
Just, I always hit on the road if I'm gonna be having to play dodgems with people
worn ember
they just like paint the road partially red and call it a "suggestion stroke" or whatever the translation is, its basically a bicycle lane just on the road but the cars still have to drive there
shits dangerous
cuz their asses to cheap to put an actual bicycle lane
golden gust
We have cycle lanes in some places, and they're getting more popular, but, the place was never really designed for it
I mean, UK highway law is dumb, tbqh
you can't even ride an electric scooter legally over here
worn ember
yeah, or they just cut part of the pavement and then you can barely walk there anymore without walking on the cycle lane
golden gust
(Actually, they're now allowing rental electric scooters on the roads, iirc)
golden gust
electric bikes are basically only pedal assist over here too
worn ember
everything up to 45km/h is legal to drive without license everything else is just a motor cycle class A license i think
golden gust
Not sure if it's a "they have to be", or, if it's just gotta have pedals too
We do it based on CC's or something iirc
worn ember
yeah well kinda hard to do CC's for electric bikes lol
golden gust
Oh, wait, it's based on speed/watts
worn ember
ye
i really need to get my drivers license this year tho, i'm gonna have to get to work properly
and i dont feel like waking up at 5am to catch a train
limber knotBOT
The freedom of a car
limber knotBOT
Time is money
unreal quarry
๐๏ธ vroom vroom
worn ember
๐
i used to drive a dirtbike on the fields of my neighbor after harvest
i remember having to dig it out of the mud a few times haha
unreal quarry
Not a problem with street bikes ;)
worn ember
true, but also not as much fun imo
i also burned my leg by hitting the engine lmao
that thing got hot
twin lagoon
no
mossy vessel
Put it on ebay
vernal moth
.warn @urban latch this is not the place to sell your "network"
Ok how the fuck do I do this
vernal moth
?warn @Safe this is not the place to sell your "network"
leaden oxideBOT
I can't find user @Safe.
twin lagoon
vernal moth
Ok then
twin lagoon
he's still in there you just didn't tag him
vernal moth
?warn @urban latch this is not the place to sell your "network"
leaden oxideBOT
Safe#1994 has been warned. || this is not the place to sell your "network"
twin lagoon
there we go
mossy vessel
gg
vernal moth
And that's why I am not a moderator, lol
worn ember
3rd try is a charm
mental meadow
Mini if you don't want to tag people you can also use the user id
cosmic raft
he's on mobile
mossy vessel
I like pinging rule breakers smh
urban latch
mental meadow
Just because he has moderating power
vernal moth
Am not on the mod team ^^
mental meadow
Doesn't make him a mod :D
vernal moth
I leave that to the professionals
vernal moth
^^
tribal quest
?
worn ember
bruh how am i supposed to know which code to accept from a branch i worked on weeks ago if i cant even remember what i had for breakfast
mighty storm
@ripe sphinx gotchu bro, irc dont lie
ripe sphinx
nah I knew it was him, they've pinged me in like 5 servers now, 2 of which I'm staff in.
mighty storm
ghost pings at that, ugh
ripe sphinx
can't ghostping if there's an anti-ping staff bot ๐ https://i.imgur.com/90xJtC5.png
mossy vessel
irc never forgets ๐
mighty storm
dang i ercognisze that bot anywhere
thats scarez'z
wait how is the mention color cyan
ripe sphinx
๐ I forgot about all the "wait what's with that QOL change that discord's too dumb to implement" I get whenever I post a screenshot
mighty storm
i love how thats where my eyes went instead of the date thing
and the avatar thing
the usual
i aint a hypocrite if that were my client audrey's message would be the same as the role color lol
to be fair my question still stands cus thats kinda cool
worn ember
here's a random interesting video for anyone that cares https://youtu.be/SRQza6IxOjo
limber knotBOT
do my eyes see third party client modifications? ๐
mighty storm
and the funny thing is that $50k is nothing compared to what they couldve lost if it was exploited lol
limber knotBOT
Got a notification that spigotlib was exterminated for yet another "op the author" but it was a config option that defaulted to true lulu
Why are there always people who see permissions as just another blocker to their road to success
thorny rivet
Probably completely lost here, but is anyone familiar with unpacking DRMs (SecuRom 7.X)? My Problem is that I do not want to create an unprotected exe, but rather bolt on a modding framework properly, without people needing to have a pirated version
thorny rivet
Yes, that's what I was reading, but it's a tad bit complicated for me ๐ And it creates a non-securom version, more or less, that's why I am asking, maybe it's possbile to keep it
Otherwise I end up like Bukkit and have to "crack" it on demand after the key has been validated or something lol
But like you cannot really properly work with it currently (which of course is the intention)
limber knotBOT
Who plays with plugin.yml...? https://github.com/gyurix/SpigotLib/blob/a34eea233ef9bff097193af40bf9e16d37f4cde6/src/main/java/gyurix/spigotlib/Main.java#L89
thorny rivet
Also nice backdoor just above
limber knotBOT
that's why it was deleted ๐
I can't even remember why I had to use this one time
But I remember it being super annoying
Announcing serverlistevents and all
Or ping event w/e
limber knotBOT
Now I wonder what commit he put it in
Talking in 3rd person in comments
oh god, the author didn't even bother transfering the repo properly from bitbucket
quasi valley
ah it had finally been deleted?
limber knotBOT
if linus was dead he would turn around in the grave
He copypastad it over?
it's "just" the commands of his plugins
cunning raft
for testing kenny!!11!
quasi valley
what happened for a few days? A tiny red line as a warning by spigot staff ๐
worn ember
backdoor in viabackwards wen
quasi valley
maybe it already exists?
cunning raft
kneny will only use backdoor for testing!11
worn ember
thorny rivet
You just need the right client which sends malicious packets
Easy Buffer Overflow
Oh wait
cunning raft
too complicated to use permissions or config, ned bakdor!
limber knotBOT
reminds me of the exploits in the Vivecraft plugin which lets you teleport anywhere on the server xD
(which the author refused to do anything about it for ages ๐ )
thorny rivet
isn't that by design tho?
worn ember
thats why you obfuscate your code
cunning raft
i mean i don't blame the author
thorny rivet
Okay, maybe they could limit the range ๐
cunning raft
seems like a complicated problem when the solution doesn't mater if you're playing with friends
limber knotBOT
well he refused from merging my PR putting in a simple permission and distance check so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cunning raft
oh lmao
limber knotBOT
Lul wit disk now?
worn ember
limber knotBOT
gah, foiled if I have autocorrect off or on, way more aggressive on tablet/desktop than phone
5 years feels like nothing lol
Am assuming this was in bitbucket
Link pls
to?
Ur PR
o
nvm
You're talking about something else I think
lol what even
and no, I never wasted time writing that mod
I don't have enough criminal energy to go around and grief random servers running that plugin lol
mental meadow
it's "just" the commands of his plugins
Yeah but the plugin has a command to run server commands
true canyon
So very hostile
upper flicker
User hostile++
minor badge
literally z750
potent fossil
Z's Taco Allowance--
mental meadow
Kotlin is so pretty
I hate it
potent fossil
||
||
mental meadow
Z did your update to the irc bridge kill avatars
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
Avatars dump
Omdfjiefqjojndaf
I'm done typing with an onscreen keyboard with my dumcord quality language
mental meadow
I love how the webhooks have the default avatar in here and the paper logo in #paper-help
weebhooks
worn ember
be glad you even have a hook you stone agers smh
upper flicker
If thereโs no user by the same name in discord, they wonโt get an avatar
thorny rivet
which reminds me I might look for Reverse Engineer Discords instead of IRCs, more people probably
but on the other hand that's a specific kind of humans
mental meadow
Yeah, but they used to have an avatar until like two days ago
upper flicker
Well is he here?
mental meadow
Probably
upper flicker
Oh itโs all those changes everyone has been doing for their api changes
limber knotBOT
wtf, why is it not rewriting my nickname anymore
upper flicker
He hasnโt spoken on discord since I restarted the bot, so he isnโt cached
And I donโt make it to lookups because ugh latency
stiff yarrow
@slim nymph 3 days without brain fog since starting the tune your keto pills, guess I was just malnourishing myself
limber knotBOT
๐
mental meadow
@stiff yarrow #nutrition-science
stiff yarrow
merry talon
?covid usa
apparently dyno has that feature
just in case you want to be reminded of how the world is doomed when you wake up
limber knotBOT
What
mental meadow
Let's not
limber knotBOT
ya cuz I know a much larger stat of something else showing how we're doomed
merry talon
like wat
worn ember
just look at the doomsday clock lol
limber knotBOT
I'll give a hint - death percentage is pretty high if not 100%
mental meadow
Is it "death"
limber knotBOT
ya, a specific, legal, intentional type too
mental meadow
Almost a 100% of people die bc of death
worn ember
oxygen has a 100% chance to kill you in an average of 85 years
upper flicker
Stick with tacos, tacos will never kill you
potent fossil
Until they do
worn ember
the taco revolution is near
mental meadow
So Austria build a nuclear power plant a few decades ago but they never turned it on, because right before it got finished there was a vote against nuclear power
But since it's completely finished and never used they actually give tours and you can literally go inside of the reactor
I wanted to go but it was booked out almost immediately for the next half year
limber knotBOT
Idk why they voting against clean power but u do u austria ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mental meadow
Now I need to wait another 6 months for another chance or just go into a live one
limber knotBOT
Germany had such a power plant too but they decided to just completely tear it down instead lol
Experience power literally
mental meadow
Clean power with only a few minor garbage products that might or might not kill you in twenty thousand years
merry talon
rather that than something that'll kill us all now
slim nymph
Well at this rate we won't survive 20k years
mental meadow
Oh it can also kill you now don't worry
limber knotBOT
yeah, current nuclear power is dirty af
That'd be kewl to live 20k years
especially the stuff that we just shipped into a GAU-Zone in Russia and forgot about it xD
merry talon
as it currently stands sure
mental meadow
I hope not Aikar
I don't wanna get older than like 24
limber knotBOT
if everything goes alright then everyone above 20 will be immortal anyways ๐
lean kiln
France uses like 60 or 70% nuclear power iirc
worn ember
i have an intern job at a power trading firm and since 40% of our energy comes from renewables (wind, solar) when its cloudy and there is no wind prices go up 500% lol
limber knotBOT
(at least according to Nostradamus)
mental meadow
.g Zwentendorf Tom Scott
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUVZbBBHrI4 -- Inside The Billion-Euro Nuclear Reactor That Was Never...: "Mar 16, 2020 ... Zwentendorf Nuclear Power Plant, in Austria, was ready to go: it just needed ... at https://facebook.com/tomscott and on Instagram..."
lean kiln
very clean compared to coal and cost efficient compared to solar and wind
limber knotBOT
Nice
worn ember
nuclear is still the most efficient, its just super expensive to run
mental meadow
They use it for electro festivals and stuff now
Nuclear is awesomeif we had a permanent storage for the waste
lean kiln
just bury it in nevada
worn ember
the ocean runs
limber knotBOT
I mean I'm all for doing more research into better nuclear waste management so that we can eventually get a way to reduce that to 0 but in the current situation we shouldn't produce any more waste than we already have lol
mental meadow
I feel like nevada is the dump of america
worn ember
but yeah the waste is an issue
potent fossil
i think the better option would be to find a way to use the waste
instead of finding a place to put it
worn ember
well part of it gets re enriched
mental meadow
Or neutralize it somehow
potent fossil
yeah, im saying, we dont currently know. all we do is stash is away cuz "lol idk"
limber knotBOT
and as long as nuclear power plants continue blowing up and have accidents then people will not trust them at all lol
potent fossil
so..research needed
lean kiln
mental meadow
Don't tell me that I used to live next door to one phoenix
merry talon
space is literally infinite
worn ember
thing is, governments are so invensted in "green energy" they just ignore nuclear and deem it as "unsafe"
limber knotBOT
imagine a rocket with nuclear waste blowing up...
๐
ya space ain't easy to dispose cuz u got no atmosphere to break stuff down
And it stays in orbit
merry talon
limber knotBOT
Here at least stuff decomposes and etc.
worn ember
meanwhile we have to operate 50 year old nuclear powerplants cuz we cant generate enough power 
merry talon
I didn't say orbit
limber knotBOT
nah, DED, the German government was all in on nuclear power until Fukishima happened and public opinion turned against them lol
potent fossil
But you sort of have to make the assumption that we're the only life in this, as you say, infinite void.
limber knotBOT
Merkel would've lost the next election if she didn't say that we shut down all our nuclear power platns
worn ember
yeah, well i'm not in germany lol
potent fossil
And that our launching of toxic waste is not gonna piss somebody off
limber knotBOT
All the junk in space is tracked
mental meadow
I was able to see the power plant out of my window in germany and it had an level 4-5 issue so often
potent fossil
Personally, doesn't compute for me. I don't feel like we're the only life in this universe lmao.
worn ember
you're likely to hit some satellite at this point if you shoot anything into space
potent fossil
well i mean, that's why they have launch windows
limber knotBOT
shooting it into the sun is still the best way to get rid of it. getting it to the sun is just damn annoying
potent fossil
areas with clear spaces thru
limber knotBOT
But ya Darkeye, not to mention their plans require tons of land too
worn ember
it gonna be looking like Wall-E in 30 years
limber knotBOT
if you really think that we can have secure stuff in space then you haven't watched "Planets" lol
potent fossil
Yeah, you know. Probably not a bad comparison ded with the way we treat this planet
mental meadow
But until we can get a rocket into space without any chance for issues or unscheduled rapid disassembly that's all just not possible
limber knotBOT
there is so much extremely small waste in low earth orbit that we can't track its insane
worn ember
spacex is getting there
mental meadow
99.999% success isn't enough tho
worn ember
still higher than any code i write
mental meadow
Same
worn ember
probably why i dont work at NASA
limber knotBOT
worn ember
and make dumb minecraft plugins instead
potent fossil
yup, humans are really good at a lot of stuff
but we're best at one thing
pollution
worn ember
well phoenix, space wind will eventually bring them back down lol
potent fossil
"space wind"
limber knotBOT
Depends what you consider pollution I guess
As of January 2019, more than 128 million pieces of debris smaller than 1 cm (0.4 in), about 900,000 pieces of debris 1โ10 cm, and around 34,000 of pieces larger than 10 cm were estimated to be in orbit around the Earth.
worn ember
https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-07/first-direct-evidence-points-existence-space-wind/ you think i'm joking simple?
mental meadow
Just put a giant magnet up and let it all pull into the atmosphere
potent fossil
the only thing that's gonna bring them down without intervention is if the orbit degrades enough to be caught in earth's gravity
potent fossil
everyone on the internet is an astrophysicist btw
limber knotBOT
at the rate that we put new debris up there it wont matter though lol
mental meadow
Didn't you know? Everyone in here is a lawyer as well simple
worn ember
well you're the one claiming there isn't what makes you right and them wrong lmao, kinda hypocritical
potent fossil
@mental meadow everyone here is a genius polymath
limber knotBOT
I mean, the soviets would've definitly just shot the nuclear waste into space: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A xD
potent fossil
I never said I was right OR wrong, I said everyone. Everyone includes me.
limber knotBOT
Yes
I do love me some blanket statements
what actually is "on the internet" in that statement though? do tiktok kids count?
potent fossil
However I'm quite sure nobody in here is indeed a polymath (kek) or an astrophysicist. But if someone is in fact an astrophysicist go ahead and let yourself be known.
worn ember
i dont even know what polymath is
limber knotBOT
it's when you love two maths at once 
next frost
why only two?
potent fossil
oh yeah this song is my JAM
worn ember
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/impacts/satellite-drag in case anyone wants to read more about it
mental meadow
However I'm quite sure nobody in here is indeed a polymath (kek) or an astrophysicist. But if someone is in fact an astrophysicist go ahead and let yourself be known.
But some people sure think they are
potent fossil
If you can google, use wikipedia, and send a lot of links, then it's enough aurora.
limber knotBOT
wtf, my chromium has started to sometimes hide the full URL in my addressbar and only shows the TLD Oo
potent fossil
(to be clear im not saying you're wrong ded, im just making fun of you because you're ded)
there is a setting for that phoenix
worn ember
potent fossil
i had to disable it in vivaldi
ancient bolt
i studied modern physics in university
limber knotBOT
I sure hope so because this is bullshit lol
ancient bolt
idk what y'all are talking about tho
worn ember
well one day u will be ded too 
then we can be one
demon: basically that there is drag in space
potent fossil
@ancient bolt space wind and satellite orbit degradation as a means for justifying the fact that earth has a shit ton of orbiting garbage, justification being that eventually the garbage will fall down and burn up on reentry
potent fossil
i didnt say solution, i said justification
worn ember
neither that
i think its disgusting that there is so much garbage in orbit, so i'd be the last to try and justify it
potent fossil
you essentially said it's ok because it will fall
worn ember
sarcasm my dood
potent fossil
worn ember
its so miniscule it takes years if not decades to deorbit (depending on its altitude and whatever other million factors)
limber knotBOT
any idea which option it is simple? because the two I just disabled didn't change a damn thing -.-
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
doesn't exist anymore
worn ember
why is that even a feature lmao
potent fossil
the flag doesnt exist, but neither the option?
worn ember
probably some junior dev who fucked up and labeled it a feature
limber knotBOT
nah, it's more a case of "I need to come up with new features so that I can keep my job"
what do you mean by "neither the option"?
void void
potent fossil
no flag, and also when you highlight the url and right-click there is no option there?
potent fossil
so it was there?
potent fossil
nice
here in vivaldi, it's a checkmark in the settings now -.- https://owo.whats-th.is/8JjbFMY.png
was off by default
limber knotBOT
strange that the #omnibox-ui-hide-steady-state-url-path-query-and-ref-on-interaction wouldn't work anymore as that's literally the same
I wonder if they fixed the suggestion bug I reported
yeah, doesn't seem to happen anymore. nice
I wonder if its related to that option lol
oh wait, that was related to a flag
which they removed lol
potent fossil
yeah afaik flags get removed when the real option gets approved/denied
limber knotBOT
well that one was default behaviour so I dunno lol
guess they didn't merge the feature into mainline chrome
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1028828 if you are interested in what the issue was (the #omnibox-autocomplete-titles flag)
((inb4 that is still a thing but the flag is still in effect, just not listed anymore so everyone has that bug now ๐ ))
meh, I hate that I actually want to know why this was removed and find the commit now -.-
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
also it only took 1 1/2 months for someone to complain after the initial commit: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/4542e23accf0224653a5527d9cd20b5cefeb66b0 lol
also TIL about chrome://flags/deprecated
worn ember
When you thought you were home alone but there are hot singles in your area 
limber knotBOT
why are SVGs so cool: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Comparison_satellite_navigation_orbits.svg Oo
worn ember
Cuz vectors
limber knotBOT
I wonder if some people make full websites exclusively in SVG... because that would be the modern ara flash xD
worn ember
XML tho :(
limber knotBOT
so is html ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
worn ember
Yes but html is actually readable lol
limber knotBOT
I wonder if there are JS libraries that render to SVG instead of html
worn ember
Svgs not so much
limber knotBOT
this is cearly readable: view-source:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Comparison_satellite_navigation_orbits.svg
worn ember
Am on phone
limber knotBOT
does your phone not have text or something?!?
worn ember
Nothing is readable
limpid comet
is that wikimedia link not using any js? thats insane if its just an svg
mighty storm
yep just looks like css keyframes
limpid comet
sick, CSS3 is so powerful
mighty storm
Not sure who Anyone is but they probably do
potent fossil
integer count of...what?
serene bolt
that's a very generic question lol, there are many integers for players :P
mighty storm
just kick everyone, your player count will go down to 0 ๐
void void
lmao
smart
yeh wut about it
@void void No nvm I remembered my server is on 1.8 and there is no support
I mean you can contact the developer.
Nah my problem is solved
Well
actually
its not the plugins thing
its more of items ID
Like how can I sell items with data
ex: Wither skulls
rose echo
sly ruin
potent fossil
lol
potent fossil
yes
proven shore
dense spindle
chrome quest
Hello. So I have to put :8123 at the end of my server ip for the website to work. Is there a port that I can switch it to so I don't need that at the end?
serene bolt
when you say website, do you mean dynmap? since dynamps internal web server uses 8123 as the default port
chrome quest
oops. Yes. I forgot to mention dynmap.
mighty storm
do british people spell "Progress" as "Progerss" because re -> er
chrome quest
I wouldn't think so. They spell centre with re instead of er like americans.
viral hornet
Oof that green burns my eyes
mighty storm
Yeah so shouldnt it be reversed
true canyon
Chew with the hard hitting questions
serene bolt
you can probably switch the dynmap port to 80 if you have no other website using that IP address and you're able to port forward it
chrome quest
would that simply as changing the port number listed in the config file?
serene bolt
yes, assuming your firewall is also okay with accepting traffic from that port
serene bolt
that'd be pretty lame, I don't think the spam issue is that bad
hazy veldt
Wasn't sure since I'm not a maintainer on anything, just thought it might be worth bringing up.
serene bolt
pretty sure opting out would also retroactively apply to anyone with PRs in the review period on hacktoberfest currently, which would screw a few people out of a shirt if they relied on paper repo for their PRs :P