why not?
#general
ancient bolt
slim nymph
and take all that cost
ancient bolt
I was 80-90% complete
potent fossil
so the cost was there anywhere
slim nymph
wasnt that like another year or 2 of school?
ancient bolt
no, it was another 6 months
I went from highschool diploma to masters degree in 4 1/2 years
slim nymph
so that 80k was just for the base 4 years + 6 mo?
potent fossil
i mean the college im targeting does the same thing, you can do a bachelors-to-masters program and you basically study both concurrently, finish your bachelors, and then finish up the rest of the masters and you're done
wham bam 2 degrees at graduation
ancient bolt
I went to a private school because my parents indoctrinated me into it
it was not a public school
total tuition cost was 130k I think
if you include scholarships
potent fossil
scream
potent fossil
i know but i still screamed
slim nymph
are parents covering most that cost lol
static badge
lololololololololololololol private
ancient bolt
my parents covered the 60k loan, but I'm the one paying for it because I make more money then both of them combined now
olive garden
I make more money making MC plugins than my mom after getting 2 diplomas in the healthcare sector and working as a neurologist right now :dab:
hungary might be fucked up
wide chasm
When plugin development is better than other jobs, get far, far away
olive garden
yes
worn ember
getting paid in $ could already mean a tremendous upgrade
if your own currency is worth nothing
worn ember
well yeah thats true
olive garden
are you saying plugin development is easy?
worn ember
better than working in a sweatshop tho
zealous wedge
i'm saying working conditions in plugin dev are fucked beyond belief
wide chasm
I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying it's usually not very well paid
worn ember
i get rash from sweating
potent fossil
yup, correct. my fiancee (philippines) makes $660 a month as a CPA w/ degree in a top accounting firm. So if you're making more than that as a plugin dev, be thankful and humble
zealous wedge
also oof demon :/
olive garden
@worn ember maybe you do indeed have royal blood in you
zealous wedge
i make more than that from unemployment simple
potent fossil
yup
worn ember
or i'm just a toxic piece of shit
olive garden
you're fucking built against physical labour
worn ember
thats an option too
wide chasm
I make checks donations ~0.80$ a month from plugin dev. 😉
olive garden
like you are the definition of an upper class scumbag
worn ember
i wish i was upper class
slim nymph
damn trig wtf plugins you selling
worn ember
im not even rich lmao
slim nymph
or you just contracting
olive garden
contracting
slim nymph
and you find enough non cheap asses to make sustainable?
slim nymph
your country prob fits "standard" for this community
even the US server owners are cheap asses "I'm not spending 20$ on a plugin!"
olive garden
well, yeah, central/eastern europe :)
worn ember
he lives in trig country
olive garden
I need to replace a waterpipe, wanna come help @worn ember ?
wide chasm
Hungary is a nice country, very good place to exploit the economy and get cheap stuff 🙂
meager tusk
Eastern europe.. balkans?
olive garden
I wanna see you suffer
meager tusk
worn ember
i went to work with my dad once who does industrial electricity, i cut my hands 3 times on a metal cable railing 
in the same hour
wide chasm
Incompetence strikes again
worn ember
yes
meager tusk
twin lagoon
idriz 🥺
twin lagoon
.
meager tusk
Joking, of course 
worn ember
in every joke there is some truth
humble falcon
deep
worn ember
-some dude probably
meager tusk
There is no truth. Michael is awesome
twin lagoon
humble falcon
prob not
worn ember
get the whip
void void
Whip
meager tusk
I would never whip Michael.
twin lagoon
idriz is a true simp
This you? @twin lagoon
potent fossil
Hmm
twin lagoon
🥺
potent fossil
hi mikey
twin lagoon
worn ember
mighty storm
https://developers.google.com/apps-script/guides/triggers/ does this page not load for anyone else?
just does not move at all for me
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slim nymph
@void void yeah fauci commented on eyes being an infection point too.
potent fossil
i ordered pizza \o/
zealous wedge
yay congrats
worn ember
with pineapple?
void void
give me latest paper for 1.16.2 please
warm anchor
no
void void
:c
warm anchor
It's on Paper download page. There's note saying it's the last 1.16.2 and it's unsupported.
@worn ember I present you pizza on pineapple
golden gust
Give me one reason why we shouldn't ban you
worn ember
its ok i destroyed cat with math and logic
slim nymph
@void void seriously theres no reason to be using 1.16.2 now
your plugins will still work
client mods should likely still work too, dont think anything changed on client
warm anchor
Aikar there's a few plugin that will still scream unsupported version on console I think lol
but it will still work
slim nymph
fuck them plugins
slim nymph
theyve had ages to update
warm anchor
yeah
slim nymph
NMS revision didnt even change
void void
@slim nymph I must use max 1.16.2 because I have EpicWorldGenerator and EpicNetherGenerator
warm anchor
I agree but you know some people would be like "I dont want them error on my console" /s
slim nymph
those should still work
warm anchor
Yeah its no so epic if they cant update the version number 
'
minor badge
dont be too hopeful
void void
@slim nymph te pluginy niestety nie wybór
slim nymph
english
warm anchor
Go bother the guy. I think he's already pissed at Paper Discord coz we kept sending people his way to fix his shit lol
minor badge
the EWG guy hasnt proven himself to be very.. averagely intelligent tbh
minor badge
na, he was pissed because we wont help him without seeing his code :)
zealous wedge
is EWG dude even in the worldgen discord
void void
@slim nymph sorry. I don't remember. These plugins are unfortunately not a choice
warm anchor
didnt him at some point tell the people that paper isnt supported and downgrade back to Spigot?
slim nymph
lets not trash talk people please
warm anchor
ok sorry lol
slim nymph
his last post says paper is supported
warm anchor
oh nice
worn ember
"downgrade" excuse me thats offensive to spigot users
zealous wedge
1.16.2 was bad for worldgen modders
also "production compiler" sounds a lot like proguard
warm anchor
mossy vessel
👀
heady spear
uwu
mossy vessel
uwu city
zealous wedge
lol why on earth would you do a worldgen project without being involved in the worldgen community at all
zealous wedge
yup
mossy vessel
heady spear
no we do shitty squares for €15
heady spear
most of the hybrid stuff is in p2 already
just need the non-grid-based lookup stuff, which is a lot easier now that I've added the R-tree based lookups 👀
heady spear
I don't
I wanna get rid of augmented worlds
😠
but you only say that because you've never worked with that code
O but saying that, we can prolly use the new API that mini added 😛
next frost
wait until PlotUnsquared is released
mossy vessel
What did he add?
heady spear
he added a way to delegate to the vanilla generator
so in theory we could get rid of our ugly delegation hacks
mighty storm
minecraft worldgen says trans rights?? uwu????
heady spear
though considering how much time I've spent on getting that to work again
I refuse to get rid of it
latent valve
@worn ember dota?
worn ember
@latent valve just shut off my desktop
worn ember
Ooof
latent valve
1k here i come
worn ember
I'm waiting to play till my internet is back to normal
latent valve
xD oof
heady spear
actually pronoun roles would be cool
worn ember
We can't use the r word tho
heady spear
You shouldn't be using any words 🙂
worn ember
Lmaoo
latent valve
mossy vessel
I'd City
heady spear
yes listen to mr hentai here
anyway i'm gonna sleep now because you all make my head exhausted
worn ember
I'll fill ur head if you want
zealous wedge
goodnight city 💤
mighty storm
why do you know that immediately
potent fossil
is that just a comment or are you wanting assistance
mighty storm
answer may shock us
earnest swan
Assistance I guess, but I dont think you can help me since I am on 1.16.1
potent fossil
Correct, but also wrong channel even if that version was supported
earnest swan
sorry
serene bolt
earnest swan
I will change that now
serene bolt
:P
golden gust
wrong channel, unsupported version, big glaring red FIX THIS message...
potent fossil
360noscope
earnest swan
lol
mighty storm
haii @serene bolt
fallen oracle
🟥
earnest swan
Sorry guys, I will get it right next time, thanks for the help 🙂
serene bolt
h e l l o chew
serene bolt
chew, do you still have a link to that one person who has your name on the spigot forums
mighty storm
Chew?
serene bolt
I guess, but what's their id / link
mighty storm
serene bolt
yeah okay so you should be able to grab that name if you really wanted, i'll DM you eventually ™️ with more info
mighty storm
:O
latent valve
@worn ember omfg my team so dum always wanna fight and ping me when i play techie planting bomb at base and they all die cuz dum
fallen oracle
How do we find the user with our current name that we want?
coarse hornetBOT
mighty storm
and it's on the side
fallen oracle
I searched members for my name and it said no results found but it also said the name I wanted to change to was already in use.
mighty storm
xenforo moment
fallen oracle
😦
There's only 1 matched user when I type in the game and it's not even what I'm searching, lol. Idk how this is taken. When I use DDG to search the name, my normal name comes up 😛
serene bolt
what's the name?
serene bolt
no idea that's odd
fallen oracle
🥺
fallen oracle
Would it not show up if they had their profile hidden?
serene bolt
new signing bonus for staying with spigot 
it probably would be hidden if their profile was private, but I can still see those so idk
fallen oracle
Is this something you could by chance make note of? I'd love to obtain that to match everything else if possible.
serene bolt
yeah I'll add you to the list
fallen oracle
Thanks!
serene bolt
the list 
potent fossil
wat is thou promotion
serene bolt
Cutie in Charge ™️
mighty storm
owo
potent fossil
aint that the truth
mighty storm
what are you doing, step spigot staff?
iron zephyr
So, fellow old people here: what ever happened to Sponge? I remember when Bukkit collapsed, Sponge was supposed to be the next big thing. But it... doesn't seem to be
potent fossil
It's still there
mighty storm
sponge is epic
fallen oracle
Sponge is alive and well.
potent fossil
Lots of mods are 1.12 so Sponge does 1.12 and they're about to come out with 1.14 afaik
mighty storm
check #community-guilds for link it's there somewhere
fallen oracle
I'm pretty sure it's mainly used in the modded scommunity.
fallen oracle
Typically modding.
potent fossil
fallen oracle
How's calc?
potent fossil
calc is ok but i procrastinated so i didnt complete my homework :') but i turned in what i had
iron zephyr
🤣
potent fossil
trig substitutions are terrible
iron zephyr
Well thanks for the update
fallen oracle
Chem 2 is my new killer.
fallen oracle
I feel that.
sly ruin
I'm taking AP Physics 1 and Computer Science Principles right now. Physics is alright, but CSP is so boring for anybody who's ever written code. I tried to convince my academic advisor to let me take CSP and CSA (Java) concurrently, but they refused.
I'm not the type of person to get in an argument over silly things like that. I still have 2 weeks to decide if I want to take CSA independently and just take the test. Any thoughts? I glanced at the test from 2017 and it seemed really simple.
fallen oracle
You should be able to test out instantly if you think you know everything.
mighty storm
ap sucks, overrated, hot garbage
sly ruin
College Board in general sucks.
I'm glad all my goal colleges are test optional starting my year, test blind soon after.
mighty storm
just clep out- oh fuck thats still collegeboard
void void
Just wondering, how did you guys start learning Java, getting into programming?
mighty storm
pre-ap computer science
sly ruin
I'm still getting into it, but started with Arduino like 3 years ago. I eventually stopped because it became too expensive.
mighty storm
what do yall think?
void void
you took that in high school chew?
mighty storm
i learned java throughout my 4 years of the computer science courses they offered yes
i learned ruby simultaneously on my own time
void void
hmm what grade did u start at?
mighty storm
9
void void
idk if they offer that at my high school
mighty storm
pre-ap was all "fundamentals" though
well, it's not called pre-ap anymore since collegeboard sniped th ename
zealous wedge
uh i took like some summer camp thing in like middle school
void void
like if, else, switch, boolean, operators ?
zealous wedge
like a 1-week thing
potent fossil
i taught myself
zealous wedge
only properly learned for MC modding
void void
hmm
true canyon
@sly ruin you're not the AP CSP target audience, but you can breeze through the course so yay easy A
zealous wedge
i uh haven't gotten a non-5 on an ap lol
mighty storm
ive gotten mostly 1s and 2s
zealous wedge
oof
zealous wedge
uh like 3 i think?
but calc bc counts for ab as well, so it gave me 12 credits at uni
sly ruin
What are you majoring in?
zealous wedge
oh i did a theatre production bfa, finished last spring
mighty storm
it was like 18
true canyon
@mighty storm which year? Because if this past year it's complete bullshit.
true canyon
omg u cannot compooter
mighty storm
i was offered 15 java jobs but once i told them i got a 4 they told me to "fourk off" or smth idk im bad at making up stuff
zealous wedge
they didn't even have the principles or whatever AP when i took it
there was only the one APCS lol
void void
yo any tips and tricks for high school? I just entered, and it seems alright.
mighty storm
high school sucks
tired heath
AP like Angina Pectoris?
mighty storm
spend your time learning fundamentals (like how to study, take notes, etc)
unless you arent going college (in this day and age you probably dont) in which case literally just pass
serene bolt
I got so many job recruiters contacting me on github last year, ended up hiding my email from my profile page lol. they'd see things I forked and make dumb assumptions like I was the actual creator of it. My favorite was someone interested in me because I worked for epic games (because I was in the epic games org...)
latent valve
mighty storm
and no i am not org farming
golden gust
through their site somewhere
serene bolt
it's apart of their unreal engine signup process
golden gust
it's how you get access to the code
mighty storm
i may be in 18 orgs, but i am not org farming
golden gust
^^
mighty storm
that was half joking/half serious
void void
yeah fundamentals are essentials I guess
mighty storm
if you're going into any computer science related field, you definitely dont need college
void void
uh
serene bolt
I very much agree
void void
Wait so did you guys take ap classes in 9th grade?
tired heath
Still wanna now what AP stands for, must be smth cool
void void
advanced placement
coarse hornetBOT
golden gust
Some places want the paper, but, these days, your merit and experience stands for more than degrees, etc
void void
Wait, so is taking AP Classes in high school good?
golden gust
Many places known that colleges/uni's these days are paper pumping machines and really of no amazing benefit to hiring choice
tired heath
I c
serene bolt
experience, respect and connections can get you most of the way :P
void void
Since I'm taking one in 9th grade right now, and they give you a bunch of extra points for some reason.
golden gust
I'm not saying don't get the paper, there can be some stuff opened up, but you should defo be aiming to showcase your experience elsewhere during that
void void
Like on the test, there's 75 questions, and you only need to get 35 correct to make a 100
golden gust
Basically, having papers is helpful, but, experience is even much more helpful
mighty storm
You'd be better off spending 4 years gaining experience and working on stuff (internship or whatever) than you would going to college
serene bolt
some people are also very incapable of learning by themselves and need the experience of college to learn what they want, which is fine
but I am not one of those people
golden gust
This is one of those job areas where you don't need a degree or anything, having it might open up the doors to some places who insist on that, but, it's not really all that essential
mighty storm
im going because im morally (or whatever the term is) forced
void void
hmm, as a child, people around me have always told me to go to College after finishing high school
serene bolt
that is generally the popular opinion, yes :P
mighty storm
yeah , sounds about right
that's jsut how it is ™️
and we're trying to break that
serene bolt
I don't think anyone here is saying college is bad, it's just not as required as you may think
golden gust
Where I am in the UK, there are some older companies who heavily look towards grads, etc, but, most newer companies would sooner have somebody with 2 years of experience than somebody with a 3 year degree
mighty storm
because college, as it is right now, is horribly structured and there should be 0 reason tuition and costs are as high as they are
serene bolt
student debt is great!
mighty storm
I luckily have a good enough scholarship to have, at the moment, 0 debt, and a fuckton of anger
The career I want, google is making a certificate for, which they themselves (and their partners or whoever else accepts it) will accept as the equivalent of a 4 year degree
for like <5% of the price of going to college
so, imma just do that :p
your parents/relatives will likely put you in a situation where i am, where they "really want you to go 
"
since my parents either didn't go or went for as much as the government could give them money for
that being said
youve still got a few years to decide
high school is a safe place to fail
legit what i did my entire high school career was fuck around and find out
void void
O.o
mighty storm
took ap, was too difficult and unnecessary so i dropped to regular
rarely did homework, never studied
still got a 3.1 gpa :p
my sat carried me though
i test really well, and the test is really easy honestly
0 stress (outside of, like, mental health stress, but unrelated to the test), so i was able to focus on it
void void
what grade did u take ap?
mighty storm
9-11
void void
but u always finished ur homework and studied right?
merry talon
nice
mighty storm
had to take some off brand online course for a few weeks to fix
but cant lie
i learned a lot more useful stuff from it than the english class i failed
so if that says anything about ap being useless af
mighty storm
Kotlin finna make me act up
has some cool stuff
@potent fossil draft PR if it's wip uwu
potent fossil
oh yes
potent fossil
sounds gewd I just need to figure out the second part of the issue
potent fossil
slim nymph
mighty storm
slim nymph
Lol this comment
Man if fall out and elder scrolls go console specific exclusive, the ps crowds going to weep
vestal jasper
Ngl if future bethesda games go xbox exclusive I'm going to be genuinely upset
mighty storm
Twitter
vestal jasper
HMMMMMMMM
mighty storm
Finally some drama
slim nymph
Exclusives need to gtfo
Focus on improving your ecosystem to sell console
And console features
Xbox won this generation hardcore on those fronts
mighty storm
I think we need to take that same ideology to streaming platforms
vestal jasper
with halo going PC (again lol) I have hopes that microsoft now sees the value in releasing on PC
slim nymph
Sony ditching Dolby atmos for proprietary format and not including Dolby vision gives Xbox another win x2
They do, ms is wanting to let you play anywhere
Less about console more about subscription
They are pushing big on pc support now
tired heath
Well, that's exactly what the world is waiting for, another (proprietary) dumbass surround sound format.
slim nymph
And even playing games over phone
serene bolt
Yeah Microsoft has finally been embracing PC recently, I guess they finally realized windows was their own product :P
cyan nova
Exclusives need to gtfo
Indeed. That and the whole subscription model are incredibly stupid
slim nymph
And with EA catalog also available soon, game pass is just a super win
Why? Subscription model is what's making things awesome
unkempt drift
yah, dont think they are getting rid of subscription anytime soon
slim nymph
How can you not get behind game pass
It's now got more value than Netflix even gives you
tired heath
True, Netflix sucks, thanks for the reminder to cancel it before the upcoming price raise
cyan nova
because I want to own a copy of what I am buying (whether it is a movie, a song, a game or anything else really). Being dependent on the good will of a mega corporation (that usually hides behind DRM) is repulsive
If anything they just promote piracy
unkempt drift
netflix sucks?
potent fossil
so do you support steam moros?
cunning raft
netflix very much does not suck lmao
potent fossil
cause you dont technically own anything you buy on there, either
you're just licensed to use it
unkempt drift
yeah, I didn't think so. Netflix is churning out a bunch of solid original content
mighty storm
universal shared opinion: movies/tv shows should not be "exclusive" ro any one platform. all platforms should have access to the same movies/tv-shows and leave it up to their platform to bring in or opposite users. Much like iTunes/Spotify/Pandora or whatever is competing, all songs are basically universal.
tired heath
Spoiler: owning a copy of any game depending on online servers/services makes you own what excatly? 😄
unkempt drift
I swear every week there is a new netflix original movie/tv show
mighty storm
netflix originals are okay but they shouldnt be exclusive to netflix
nor should any "exclusive" shows/movies
cunning raft
Spoiler: owning a copy of any game depending on online servers/services makes you own what excatly? 😄
you don't own any software, you own a license to them
cyan nova
not a fan of steam either. In fact I havent gamed much in recent years
tired heath
Well you would own a hard copy on disk or card, what is worth nothing in that case
cyan nova
But when I do, I usually get some cheap stuff on sale
unkempt drift
netflix are the ones paying for it. I'm sure if amazon offered netflix a gazillion dollars, they'd show their originals on prime video
mighty storm
thanks for the $1 btw @tired heath :3
tired heath
Hmm is an abo, did'nt know it send it anywas chew 😄
potent fossil
chew was that message to me (in test builds) cuz i just ran the subscribe command 😓
mighty storm
no some dude ran ?currenttestbuilds
potent fossil
o
mighty storm
which is why i said "dont run that command"
you're fine
we keep #paper-test-builds open so people can subscribe
tired heath
I don't know about Netflix in other countries, but in Austria/Germany the content sucks for the bugs you pay. And allways price raises what promise better content. Well
Still waiting for better content up today
mighty storm
If every movie/tv show were on every platform, you'd see them competing not for shows, but for quality of service
good player, good quality, less buffering
like itunes vs spotify vs google play or whatever
all songs are everywhere, so it's just what you prefer to use
golden gust
When you make a piece of material, it's up to you who gets to distribute it
mighty storm
btw how long until some genius bundles up the streaming service subscriptions and re-invents cable?
unkempt drift
I never have any issues w/any quality of service for a streaming platform. All I really care about is content. And right now, there are incentives to make good exclusive content
golden gust
There are songs on one music platform and not the other, etc, for the same reason
tired heath
And I don't see a reason to pay € 17,99 per month on Netflix, just do see some 4K content.
And is not a lot 4K the offer
cyan nova
If every movie/tv show were on every platform, you'd see them competing not for shows, but for quality of service
yeah, that's unrealistic but the fragmentation they introduce is also a highly anti-consumer practice... No real solution there I am afraid
except for piracy I guess
mighty storm
piracy is best streaming platform atm lmao
earnest swan
Could someone help me in #paper-help ? (:
golden gust
If netflix studios wanted to let amazon host their media, they could, but they'd also want to be paid for that, and that's often afaik per view or something, which would cost amazon potentially a metric ton more to rehost their content than it would make sense for them to deal with
mighty storm
clicking this should lead to the author profile, why TF does it just show me their commits
golden gust
seems like it might actually just be a flat agreement vs per view, which is what spotify pays afaik
click the picture
slim nymph
Btw your able to buy games with I think 15 or 20% discount with game pass plus all the free games they give you too, so if you do want to keep playing it buy it, but any ms game will be there permanently
mighty storm
ive never, and probably will never, actually need to use that
and if i need to,.... ill find a way
cyan nova
Btw your able to buy games with I think 15 or 20% discount with game pass plus all the free games they give you too, so if you do want to keep playing it buy it, but any ms game will be there permanently
As I mentioned before, you are depending on the good will of the company... and I honestly don't trust them
mighty storm
trust who
cyan nova
Microsoft or any other big corporation
mighty storm
microsoft's near the top of my trust list
i dont like them, but i trust them enough
unkempt drift
why do you need to trust them? I trust them to want to make money. and they need to offer a good product to do that.
slim nymph
Then go live in a hut in the woods off grid because life is built around this. Game devs can block even disc based games if licensing is a problem
mighty storm
im a lot more concerned with like,,, google< who actually has a valid argument for not trusting lol
cyan nova
Because the moment they stop making money from a specific product it's likely they deprecate the product
slim nymph
Why, I trust Google the most, ms use to be far down list but they are growing on me, apple is far down that list
mighty storm
thats how every business works
apple's been pushing for privacy a lot harder than everyone else
unkempt drift
you trust google over apple?
mighty storm
google's been doin the exact opposite
slim nymph
Yep, I despise apple
unkempt drift
for creating a search engine for the CCP (oh wait that was google)
potent fossil
What client can I use for offline mc (need to use 3 accounts to test this bug, I've only got 2)
tired heath
Well if Microsoft would actually want to mess arround with your data to gain money, they would proberly fuck it up anyways. Since the are fucking up most things what are not Windows, Office or XBox, that's why I have trust in MS
mighty storm
just click play offline
tired heath
^^
potent fossil
ok thanks
slim nymph
Apple feels like the playground Bully selling you Playground access
mighty storm
apple has shady practices elsewhere, so does every company, but when it comes to privacy, pushing for it, and maintaining it, they're one of the best
unkempt drift
im not sure what you mean by that Aikar. They don't have a monopoly on technology
cyan nova
I mean, the whole concept of profiting from user/client data is disgusting. I don't understand how anyone (assuming they understand the process) would support such an idea
unkempt drift
well everyone does. when they click that little tiny checkbox
people know (at least now they do) that companies make money of their data, but most just don't care it seems.
slim nymph
i think apples gone too far with their locked ecosystem
unkempt drift
what does that have to do with trust?
golden gust
The idea is that they don't give out your raw data
golden gust
They basically market their ability to use your collected data to advertise more effectively, etc
cyan nova
people know (at least now they do) that companies make money of their data, but most just don't care it seems.
They don't care because they are short sighted. Companies might not be able to use the data today but they still collect them and can have AI analyze it in the future. A lot of people are ignorant of this future
unkempt drift
oh, you mentioned apple in a msg about trust and a list, I thought you meant your list of companies based on trust.
mighty storm
with fortnite, they kinda did be violating apple (and google's) tos
so they both nuked it
slim nymph
yes but that doesnt mean they should revoke consumer access
but i also disagree with that damn rule of theirs anyways
mighty storm
they just typed /ban until the situation was resolved
golden gust
That makes stuff like facebook and google really benificial for sites to use, as they'll generally pay more per ad due to people using those platforms love to be able to target their ads towards people like X, and the extra premium on that is worth it to them
ofc, that also creates the rabbit hole of them being able to track you much better in return for site owners to get more from ads, etc; It's it fun
mighty storm
what's going on here? are they just getting nuked because i havent used them in a while?
slim nymph
it says that lol
mighty storm
not implied, not sure what it means particularly
tired heath
I mean, the whole concept of profiting from user/client data is disgusting. I don't understand how anyone (assuming they understand the process) would support such an idea
Well there is a simple answer. Like other animals, humans usually only react to rapid or noticeable change processes. Slow things or things that cannot be felt directly are ignored. Example: a. / Bomb explodes, direct attention. b. / Sea level rises until the city is flooded, ignored until immediately noticeable.
golden gust
at the end of the day, it's marketing
slim nymph
i support the idea of profitting off user data
i buy google products because i want them to do that to me
cyan nova
Well there is a simple answer. Like other animals, humans usually only react to rapid or noticeable change processes. Slow things or things that cannot be felt directly are ignored. Example: a. / Bomb explodes, direct attention. b. / Sea level rises until the city is flooded, ignored until immediately noticeable.
while I understand it, it's impossible not to get frustrated about it
slim nymph
it improves my user experience, costs me nothing
"cost you your privacy" and whats that? hows that harm me
void void
golden gust
if a company came to you and said, "we'll pay you $$ per Y", but also came and said, "we'll pay you $$$$ per Y if you can filter that down to people potentially interested in Z", you're gonna look at the latter, especially if that means you can balance out those unapplicable with other adverts which earn more revenue, you're gonna take it
That's how marketing works; They're not directly selling your data, just the means to take advantage of it
That's why sites like google often give you much better results because they're able to take advantage of that data, and that's part of the reason why people use google, because it's capable of doing that and giving the desired effect
slim nymph
i search up local chinese store phone number and call them, i get in car, and my navigation now prompts me for navigation to that chinese store as a quick navigate option telling me itll take 8 minutes to get there. thats google using my personal data. and thats what I exactly want
i get in car on weekend, it prompts me to go navigate to moms, as it knows i go there a lot.
cyan nova
"cost you your privacy" and whats that? hows that harm me
well I can give out examples of why your privacy matters but other people have made much better point about it.
As I said, consider your future. How is your current public data going to affect you later in life? Quick example: What if an insurance company raises the price on on a program because of something you mentioned in a message in an online forum/community once?
cunning raft
that doesn't happen
slim nymph
thats not how data usage/sharing works
unkempt drift
right now it doesn't. but I think a lot of the privacy arguments are based on possible futures.
I don't think that'll happen either
cyan nova
It's an over simplified example but it still holds
golden gust
See, there is a part of the beauty of the free market
If a company like google started selling info like that, people would flock tf away from their services and go somewhere that wasn't doing that
cunning raft
It's an over simplified example but it still holds
no it doesn't that's a slippery slope fallacy
slim nymph
thats more a data collection agency that combines online data and delivers it as a package without consent
very different than tellin google it can use your data with other google related products to improve user experience
golden gust
beyond the ethical/moral reasons, that act would never make sense for a company creating this data
tired heath
What if an insurance company raises the price on on a program because of something you mentioned in a message in an online forum/community once?
Already happens in some countries, some on a volunteer basis or like big negative example in china. They have a model city where your whole life gets tracked and good behaivoir will give you bonus and the other way round
cyan nova
Don't kid yourself, just because they say they aggregate/anonymize data doesn't mean they actually do it. "There's nothing anonymous about anonymized data"
slim nymph
black mirror lol
tired heath
yeah but in real
slim nymph
it doesnt need to be anonymous.
google cant just go give out my personal data to an insurance company without exposing that as a fact. sharing data with third parties is restricted under GDPR
worn ember
Yeah but you don't fall under that :)
slim nymph
most companies implement gdpr globally
cyan nova
"Improving your user experience" is more of an excuse they serve to naive people. While laws exist they aren't always enforced and sometimes there are deals happening under the table with no way to prove (unless you got a whistle blower)
tired heath
golden gust
if you do business in the EU, you need to support GDPR
cunning raft
Moros do you have any knowledge about this shit or did you watch an the social dilemma and now think you're an expert
worn ember
Yeah but that doesn't mean they technically couldn't if you're not eu based
slim nymph
actually, california implemented their own GDPR too
and googles in cali
so it likely just applies to all of US
cyan nova
Moros do you have any knowledge about this shit or did you watch an the social dilemma and now think you're an expert
Being into the tech industry I can claim as much
worn ember
Idk why the us doesn't just adopt gdpr tbh. Ig they wanna be special snow flakes again
worn ember
Just for one State
slim nymph
for what benefit, the gdpr was good enough to apply world wide
worn ember
Sure them and the eu having it basically forces any global company to follow it
slim nymph
do you really want to trust the US govt to do something like this?
tired heath
"Publishing the details of blacklisted citizens online is a common practice, but some cities choose to take public shaming to another level. "
warm anchor
Just go back to jungle and live off grid. No issues
worn ember
I don't trust the US with anything. But idk how you fuck up already existing laws tho
slim nymph
trump will be like anyone doing business in the us must put a link on their site "MAGA" linking to your MAGA-PR policy
golden gust
Take a look at the fallbacks of some of the EUs other copyright type laws, etc
warm anchor
They cant track you if you never use internet 
or electricity
unkempt drift
lol, that's not gonna happen Aikar.
worn ember
Ok Mr caveman
golden gust
If you watched the facebook/amazon/google thing, you'd see how well the government understands the stuff they're tryna govern
slim nymph
only needs #politics if someone wants to make a conversation out of it and im not going to
golden gust
well, regulate
worn ember
Would help if they weren't all 80 years old
cyan nova
Just go back to jungle and live off grid. No issues
I wish but it's unrealistic. Nowadays you gotta find an equilibrium. Sometimes it's hard as if you even prefer another service over google (just an example) people think you are some kind of freak
worn ember
Or incompetent I suppose
golden gust
isn't that what you know who intends to fix?
warm anchor
We will only get real regulations once all the boomers in the political space die in the next few decades
worn ember
Boomers have immortality
golden gust
I think that part of the issue is the whole seniority thing, I think it's also somewhat the norm that people in politics don't really "keep up" with the going ons of the world
worn ember
Anyway cba to talk about boomer politics at 3:30 am. Goodnight
warm anchor
I mean people do get more conservative when they grow older but the understanding of privacy and IT stuff wont just get forgotten. It will still be better than the current generation that's holding the seats rn
cyan nova
It's not that they don't keep up but rather that they profit for the recent developments (through lobbying).
tired heath
Most of you actually missunderstand the problem. Is not about "all data harvesting/sharing" is bad thing, and we need total privacy. Is about – sooner or later lobbies and concerns try to get legislative step by step to a point where the can abuse it a way that it will cause disadvantage for some of the people and split them into classes. Is about the fight against that, so it will not happen some day.
cyan nova
Most of them seem to handle twitter and the like just fine
warm anchor
You dont need 20IQ to use twitter...
golden gust
they often use PR teams to control those accounts, etc, afaik
warm anchor
Plus using the technology =/= understanding
cyan nova
They use it with the intent purpose of spreading propaganda and creating a core of fanatic followers. I am not just referring to simply posting random shit
warm anchor
I mean that's literally what social media is for... 
unless you just share pictures of cats
slim nymph
or weight loss progress
cyan nova
well i'd like to think there's more to it than that but the sad reality is what you are describing
warm anchor
lol
slim nymph
my twitter feed is like 80% scale syncs
and because i weigh daily, had a follower whine to me once lol
warm anchor
lmao
golden gust
reminds me
slim nymph
but i do daily tracking so that my spread sheet can do better weekly averages
stiff yarrow
where do we do xbox preorders 
slim nymph
if you only weigh X days, a big drop might skew an entire week
im prob gonna do gamestop site
amazons prob gonna be hit hardest
i got my alarm set for 10:45am lol
slim nymph
from a scalper
stiff yarrow
I already think the pre-orders are gonne be instantly hit by bots and I have no chance
cyan nova
if you cant beat them...
slim nymph
well better chance than how ps and nvidia';s went out
bots are better suited for finding it first than humans
warm anchor
They could've just verify the entry by phone with 2 step auth...
tired heath
Nay Nintendo owner here?
warm anchor
and do a lottery style drawing from a pool of people who signed up and pass the auth
I mean it's not like they dont know that shit will sell like hotcake
slim nymph
ohh it will be on MS Store: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/xbox-series-x/8wj714n3rbtl
stiff yarrow
my outlook = I won't have a Ps5/Xbox Series X for at least 6-12 months or longer
FeelsBadMan
slim nymph
ms has threatened them, if you cheat, you get punished
theyll send your store less stock
warm anchor
It's a pretty good spec for the price
stiff yarrow
I'm more worried about scalper bots swooping in and pre-ordering before normal people have the chance
golden gust
Why does that description sound like a college paper?
stiff yarrow
with Sonys massive goof MS is my only chance to get a next gen console in a reasonable time frame
warm anchor
yeah holiday season is coming too
yo aint getting that shit until 2021 if you miss first wave
golden gust
get ready for the christmas server blackouts
stiff yarrow
lets put it this way
warm anchor
imagine the salt lol
stiff yarrow
Ps4/Xbox/Switch have been sold out for months due to all the things related to Corona
and those are old consoles
warm anchor
dude my local PC shop has been half empty
this entire year
things that dont normally run out like mic or mouse...
stiff yarrow
all things at home entertainment are in a drought
some manufacturing issues
and higher demand
warm anchor
it's a combination of both
stiff yarrow
yeah that is what I was trying to imply
cyan nova
Is it that important to get a console right away? Won't most "next-gen" games release at later dates anyway?
golden gust
I'd imagine that for stuff like most PC stores, restocking just the mices, etc, probs ain't worth it, especially as most people just order online, especially now
slim nymph
important no, if i dont get it, oh well
golden gust
I mean, if you pre-order something, you wanna have it
slim nymph
i think he meant if you get the pre order or not
warm anchor
well Aikar doenst get it, we will get more optimization for Minecraft
slim nymph
my XOneX works fine 😛
warm anchor
lol
stiff yarrow
I'm hyped for next gen just for the framerate potential, hopefully some games target above 60
slim nymph
yeah i want it for perf boost. that load time improvement
cyan nova
insert joke about console cinematic fps
warm anchor
I mean gotta give them that. The price is impossible to beat if you game on low budget.
stiff yarrow
I game on a high budget, I just love couch gaming
cyan nova
while it's certainly respectable I would't say impossible to beat... Assuming you have a computer, a graphics card upgrade would be worth it as well
stiff yarrow
I'm building a PC for my living room but I'm only going to play some CRPGs and MTGA on it
golden gust
I mean, I kinda like casual shooting games, so I love PC
Only game I really play with a controller is xplane
most other stuff I prefer mouse and keyboard any day
warm anchor
yeah FPS with a controller is insufferable
golden gust
Which also reminds me, I get a proper internet connection tomorrow, and am likely going on a steam reinstall as apparently borderlands 2 broke for some dumb reason...
slim nymph
plenty of non fps games 😛
stiff yarrow
nothing beats gaming on a modern TV controller in hand with a fancy ass upscaler from the comfort of your couch with a 5.1 (or better) sound setup
slim nymph
but not sure what "console cinematic fps" is about, i just got done with RDR2 and now on Witcher, both rich in cinematics, not seeing FPS issues. smooth play
stiff yarrow
RDR2 blows my mind everytime I play it from a visual fidelity + atmosphere level
Witcher 3 was amazing, played that one on PC years ago
I'm still in st denis Aikar
its gonna take me 1-2 more months to beat at my pace
lol
golden gust
I was just debating rebooting to fire up GTA, but then I kinda realised I cba, which then also reminds me of the horror that was GTAVs PC launch
cyan nova
I've done 3 playthrough of witcher 3, last 2 with mods and I was even more excited. Sure console is nice but you are limited in that sense
slim nymph
i wish Witcher 3 would be upgraded on launch day, was hoping to see witcher with better graphics
stiff yarrow
I played GTA5 on ps3 I think at launch
I will probably replay it on xbox if I can get one
slim nymph
i dont really need mods, i have a ton of games in my catalog ive always wanted to beat
stiff yarrow
when I last played Witcher 3 the mods kind of sucked, the only okay ones were shader mods
slim nymph
rather just play the game, beat it, move on to next
golden gust
took them over a year to get it out for the PC
slim nymph
steam even more so lol, i meant xbox though
cyan nova
haven't touched it in some time but some of the visual/lightning mods really changed(improved) the atmosphere of an already excellent game
stiff yarrow
since it takes me months to clear a game my backlog is never ending and ever increasing
golden gust
I remember really wanting to buy it, then they took like 18 months to drop it out on PC, at that point I wasn't doing too well money wise to erm, ended up... obtaining it... Purchased it a few months ago as it was on offer iirc
slim nymph
Final Fantasy 13-3, im like 75% done then dropped it, Final Fantasy Type 0, Final Fantasy 15, some good looking RPG's on game pass ive installed
i bought type 0 when i bought my xbox one and havent even played it
golden gust
Well, money wise and also I was done waiting for it that all the internal hype for it died
stiff yarrow
I couldnt' get into any of the FF13 games
golden gust
sorta like hytale
peak dirge
hytale 
slim nymph
its def one of the weaker games. but i like they reengineered combat, but 13-3 was ugh....
stiff yarrow
I played the other FF games though, I liked FF15 a lot (as long as you played the nocd crack version with GOOD framerate... sigh)
when you own a game but you have to use a nocd crack just to get good framerate
slim nymph
spoilers ||DURR LETS FIND JESUS LIGHTNING! THE END IS NIGH! ||
golden gust
Wasn't there also that DRM system that was basically slated for destryoing PCs?
stiff yarrow
DQ11 Switch ver was fantastic and I cleared everything in that game, it was what I played before rdr2
golden gust
Well, quite a few of them, iirc
slim nymph
xbox doesnt have those pervasive DRM's 😛
golden gust
varying from being able to induce premature death, as well as trashing game performance to all ass
(and then they wonder why people pirate their shit...)
cyan nova
the whole platform is a DRM 😛
slim nymph
yeah and one that doesnt destroy your system/performance
stiff yarrow
with ff15 one of the devs accidentally uploaded an executable file with no DRM for the ff15 downloadable demo, and you could use that to play FF15 without DRM and surprisingly it worked with all future updates and DLC on top of running the game way better, the DRM version paid customers get has constant stutters even on the best hardware (at the time of the games release)
golden gust
gg
stiff yarrow
the "nocd" executable also has a cheat menu
you can use in game
some button combo brings it up
most likely was used to debug
but imagine ruining your game on a platform because of an executives decision to shove DRM into everything
if you try playing FF15 PC retail with the provided executable you'll have such a bad experience, I know first hand
slim nymph
how does noone have issues w/ the test build but soon as its merged then issues are found
sly ruin
@mighty storm What certification are you referring to?
mighty storm
sly ruin
Thanks!
mighty storm
Only has IT atm
Planning on getting 3 more
One of which I'm looking to go into
Chunky! And it'll be on the chunky plugin page/wiki
golden gust
read the docs, you basically just get it to load
slim nymph
10k is extreme
golden gust
and in general, unless you're aiming for pretty dynmaps or have a dozen players running around, it's really not needed
serene bolt
grand pewter
too fast
slim nymph
https://smp4map.emc.gs/?worldname=wastelands&mapname=flat&zoom=0&x=-464&y=64&z=-164 this map is 10k radius too. this is a few months old. now, while most of the map has been explored, you bet your money 90%+ of the resources are still there
grand pewter
yeah i got some reports about that, i'm planning to add some way to throttle it in the future
serene bolt
the chunky devs
golden gust
"the issue"
zealous wedge
I don't think pop is plural :p
grand pewter
that sounds like a pretty good system lol
golden gust
mighty storm
pop are you plural
slim nymph
minecraft doesnt use gpu for server lol
grand pewter
^
serene bolt
the plural for pop is popple
grand pewter
but 3900x and 32gb with aikar's flags and paper should be super good
idk why you would have issues
i meant with chunky yeah
OH
slim nymph
the hell is a chunky program
grand pewter
wait ok someone told me you were talking about chunky but you meant the rendering one?
mighty storm
Smell nice :)
grand pewter
not the plugin right
golden gust
the plugin?
grand pewter
the plugin or the app
grand pewter
cause the plugin preloads chunks, the app renders images
mighty storm
Chunky*
golden gust
dum chunky dev
zealous wedge
nice chew
mighty storm
3rd times a charm
golden gust
and their inability to give stuff unique names
grand pewter
https://chunky.llbit.se/ this is the other chunky
grand pewter
nope
yeah well i didnt know that existed when i named it
i named it one night and didnt expect chunky to be a serious project
zealous wedge
see cat here is a bully lol
golden gust
You didn't know of...
grand pewter
never seen it in my life
golden gust
Telling you, these devs
grand pewter
lol
golden gust
0 involvement in the community whatsoever
serene bolt
🖼️
zealous wedge
dw willy, cat is just teasing pop
grand pewter
i have never needed to render maps lol
grand pewter
in cat's defense as well, he's cat, and it's ok if he bullies me
ya thats a good thing for survival servers
10k is perfectly fine, don't bother with more
unless you really want a huge ass world
like if you have more than like 30 players concurrent
golden gust
thing you've gotta remember is that you can't really pull back on storage once it's commited to the world, so, make sure that you have plenty of disk for pregenning and having players that run 20k out of the pregen area, etc
grand pewter
^
merry talon
speaking of apple, I bought airpods from their site to avoid the amazon sketchiness of apple products
turns out they have free one day delivery anyway
grand pewter
cat the worst thing is now with people who ask for chunky (plugin) support, they're like "hey i want to do 100k x 100k"
and i'm like "no you really don't"
golden gust
But, i REALLY wanna!
HALp, What does this mean?!
"No space left on device"
It leaves horrific chunk borders, howerver
golden gust
borders which I'd be ashamed of
grand pewter
10k takes about 10gb on 1.16, and it grows exponentially
20k is like 40gb
yeah because area is squared
math
grand pewter
its like 90 petabytes i think
mighty storm
ddg! size of full minecraft world
coarse hornetBOT
grand pewter
unless i got it wrong
pseudo solstice
I found the 16 gb 2080 for 600 on Craigslist in the box
next wind
1660ti is a great card and is only 200$ or something
and you can get a 1070 for less than 200
zealous wedge
it's a $200 graphics card with a $680 bundled game
peak dirge
Accelerated processing unit. Basically a fancy term for a CPU that has an iGPU.
PCs are pricy, console pricing is extremely aggressive and it would stand to me that Sony and Microsoft will be intentionally losing money on console hardware sales since game sales and paid memberships will likely more than make up the cost.
slim nymph
i read some where build cost is mid 400's
so sony will lose on digital, but MS shouldnt be losing
blow away performance wise yeah but not price wise lol
peak dirge
The RTX 3080 is utterly uninspiring and as a Linux user I will never buy NVIDIA products.
Fedora
next wind
You could probably get a decent build for 300$ if you buy a used generic pc and add a gpu and upgrade the psu
golden gust
You have to remember that theres other associated costs which generally calc it up to being a loss until you have them paying for services for a while
slim nymph
I see a 500$ console that gives you high/ultra graphics that will cost you 2k to build an equivalent PC
next wind
not true at all
slim nymph
Series X GPU is equiv to the 2080 SUPER
go add in matching high end cpu memory mobo ssd and cooling
show me a 1 to 1 build for on the lower end of the 1000's
peak dirge
The DIY PC market has crazy mark-ups, which make sense since the last-gen consoles only got relatively minor spec bumps, but now the consoles are out and the cost for a PC build with equivalent specs to the consoles is greater than buying even the Xbox Series X
next wind
but you dont really need similar specs to enjoy a game
slim nymph
and you cant take a 5+ year old system and just throw a 3080 in it, your gonna start to bottleneck in other areas
next wind
if a 300 dollar pc is able to play pretty recent games at 60+ fps then your still good
dont put a 3080 in it then?
peak dirge
Remember: the consoles have full-fledged APUs with decent CPU performance for once
next wind
get a 1660ti used or something
slim nymph
PC def will be the best for "ultimate graphics", but ultimate comes at a heavy price tag
peak dirge
the GPU inside is no sloutch either
slim nymph
the point is, your either trying to be cost effective, or "best of the best"
slim nymph
but even mid range the next gens are cheaper for better specs.
peak dirge
^^^
slim nymph
your going to be paying a PC gaming tax, if your ok with that, go for it
golden gust
GPU prices have dropped/are on the verge of dropping again
merry talon
well you also have to remember that mouse and keyboard is a vastly superior control scheme
golden gust
If you just want a "does it all, plug and play" machine which you'll toss out ez next gen for the new one, consoles do work out
but, long term, PCs generally tend to work out cheaper so long as you don't need the whole "99999 FPS"
peak dirge
Great. I can also use a keyboard and mouse with my Wii too, it did this in 2006 with far worse specs than most 2006 consoles of the time (PS3 and Xbox 360)
merry talon
I need the 9999 FPS :(
i play everything with bare minimum graphics even if I can run it on ultra
peak dirge
If anything, the Wii's hardware specs are probably closer to a late 1990s system than an high-end 2006 one
mighty storm
lmao wtf is this timings
peak dirge
The Wii's 32-bit PowerPC is just a speed-bumped version of the GameCube's processor, same with the GPU.
golden gust
isn't stupidly underpowered but but kinda cheapish nintendos motto?
merry talon
I forgot how old the wii is
peak dirge
released in 2006
slim nymph
yeah cat lol, i dont even have a windows install, not even a VM
peak dirge
The Nintendo Switch has specs more similar to a early 2010s smartphone, sans the small NVIDIA GPU onboard.
slim nymph
ive played games on steam native and some wine games, but been many years
i enjoy my couch, and just dropped 3k on a new one delivering in 10 days
this couch hit 9 years old 😦
golden gust
See, I like the keyboard/mouse, but would sure as heck love to game in front of a TV if I could
merry talon
wtf kind of couch is 3k
peak dirge
Point is, there is a PC gaming tax, you're going to get gouged out the butt anyway
golden gust
My screen 27", so kinda crazy for gaming on, not to mention the whole "apple" side-effect
golden gust
I don't really see the PC tax
peak dirge
Hint: PC gaming tax
golden gust
am confusion
slim nymph
to get same "performance" as a console will cost you more than the console cat
golden gust
ah
slim nymph
like the XSX GPU is equiv to a 2080 SUPER card, which is currently 750