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#general
wide chasm
vernal moth
Oh yeah, that 2 hour monologue was also directed at me, who else gets so much attention of staff? 😂
compact pulsar
This will change everything!!!
wide chasm
Then you tell both X and Y that they should stop
golden gust
By the time you've told everybody to stop/fuck off, you're basically done dealing with it all
vernal moth
Late new, boring too pluginer
mighty storm
isnt that like a week old
golden gust
yes
compact pulsar
compact pulsar
Yeah
golden gust
and very unlikely to be even relevant to standard java/bedrock edition due to how it seems to work
vernal moth
It's just for events
mighty storm
is it like wynncraft where it's like "ghost players"
golden gust
last I saw, the stack appeared to be coupled to stuff like AWS or azure or something dumb
It's basically just a distributed to all shit server
vernal moth
Yeah
golden gust
Issue with "distributed to all shit" means that you're either in the realms of regional based ticking, or, literally unviable gaming experience
vernal moth
Doesn't work for stuff like pvp
golden gust
There is nothing magical/new here
compact pulsar
Late new, boring too pluginer
@vernal moth Maybe it is for the game? A developer has confirmed that they will show something at Minecraft Live for the servers performance
We'll see it within 2 weeks
mighty storm
when is mc live
compact pulsar
October 3rd
mighty storm
dang 4 weeks away
wide chasm
I'm surprised people actually watch that
mighty storm
give or take
compact pulsar
2 weeks*
I'm surprised people actually watch that
@wide chasm Bruh last year there were more than 300.000 peoples are watching
smoky python
https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/news/minecraft-is-making-a-huge-move-that-will-change-the-game-forever
@compact pulsar I bet its bedrock only
wide chasm
It's boring though
twin lagoon
ofc it is
mighty storm
ah yes, 300 whole people
compact pulsar
@compact pulsar I bet its bedrock only
@smoky python Maybe. But the developers know that the Java server's performance are bad. We will understand at Minecraft Live
golden gust
Trust me
smoky python
They know
golden gust
There is muuuch fucking easier/lower level issues to solve than dealing with regional based stuff
smoky python
but they don't want to spend money
twin lagoon
pluginer, it's nothing special or even remotely usable for java servers
golden gust
That type of stuff will not magically improve the game for servers
golden gust
I mean, at best, we'll maybe see some smaller threads threaded, but, I have severe doubts on that one
twin lagoon
it's still going to be bedrock only probably so it doesn't really matter
smoky python
tbh the new page looks odd asf doubt its even real lol
twin lagoon
it's odd because it's amp
mighty storm
google amp? reee
vernal moth
I'm surprised people actually watch that
@wide chasm well, they always show what's next, and the panels are already really cool
More so at the real minecons but still
slim nymph
the code base is at least a year of solid focus of dev work needed to even support that idea
so yeah, its comfortable to say thats bedrock only
the current code is just not capable of the theory of that "engine"
mighty storm
screw cave/combat update we need server update
smoky python
More like any engine
golden gust
I do wanna look at their tech demo thing, but, the viability of this is nothing super amazing
vernal moth
Again, I don't think that tech will come into the actual game, neither on java or bedrock
It's most likely a new experience
golden gust
And, basically, in order to work, you need to run it on a cloud provider so you can actually scale up instances, etc
slim nymph
eh it sounds more like sharding mini, what shotbow did
golden gust
it's just not viable for your average server owner
vernal moth
Maybe a minecraft mmo?
golden gust
Yea, that's my take of it, aikar
vernal moth
Idk
slim nymph
unless server transfer packets are finally coming
vernal moth
Then they wouldn't need to make a deal with that company
golden gust
server transfer packets would be useless here
Imagine working around the world and it just randomly pulls you out and shoves you back in, etc
golden gust
I actually thought about something funny like this a while back, basically microservice the shit out of the server so that it can thread regions and all that other magical stuff in a less "stuck" manner
slim nymph
mojang dont care about no plugins
golden gust
ofc, the horror is all the scheduling and getting shit to talk properly
slim nymph
its probably not designed as sharded regions
but as bungee like where what instance your in is dynamic
golden gust
Well, yes, that's what they're saying
my understanding is that it's akin to the regional ticking stuff
vernal moth
Idk, we will see in two weeks
golden gust
Then again, RIP if you have 1k players sprawling around in an area, so, god knows
mighty storm
oct 3 right
golden gust
I don't really see how this can play out too well
smoky python
imo Minecraft still look at their game as an vanilla game.. And all those servers/mods modifying the vanilla Minecraft experience making it something difference they don't care about
slim nymph
what did you read that sounds like regional ticking, none of the articles i saw read like that
limber knotBOT
.remind 12d minecraft live or smth idk i didn't read the schedule
c-h-e-w: Reminder set for 2 weeks from now.
smoky python
Because that what MC isn't made for!
golden gust
More the whole aspect of the fact that it scales up and down
slim nymph
thats not regional ticking lol
golden gust
I mean, "akin"
slim nymph
that sounds like AWS instance size scaling
golden gust
it is
slim nymph
of the hardware running an instance
mighty storm
dynamic ram manipulation
compact pulsar
I found another link about this https://hadean.com/blog/creating-new-minecraft-experiences/
If someone interested
golden gust
Then you basically have stuff spread across those instances, but, I'm not really sure how it's done too well
that page doesn't really explain much
slim nymph
well regardless its not for us lol, unless mojangs had minecraft 2.0 in a branch for years
and about to merge it
vernal moth
golden gust
My understanding of what I've read is that the world is basically dynamically split up to all shit automagically
vernal moth
That's the tech
smoky python
@compact pulsar If Mc would change it those people with a colored name would've know it first
slim nymph
ok this does sound regional
vernal moth
Aether is marketed as spatial simulation engine
golden gust
Remember that MMO discord recently?
or whatever the heck it was
It's basically just that, done using a library instead of tryna hack it into the existing codebase through seperate servers, etc
So, basically
vernal moth
slim nymph
well this platfrom devs looks cool
golden gust
It does look cool
slim nymph
too bad theres no way in hell this is for java lol
golden gust
;P
vernal moth
I mean
slim nymph
plus, whats the commercial use of it? ms pay license and every mc server gets it free?
vernal moth
This is all network level
slim nymph
not really, theres huge game code binding here
slim nymph
this is fancy proxying
twin lagoon
because yeah, the commercial use
vernal moth
Yeah that's what I question too aikar, which is why I think it's either msft making a new experience or just using it for an event
slim nymph
that handles the reorganization too
golden gust
Didn't MS snap it up?
slim nymph
i wonder if it requires deploying on their servers too
golden gust
I get a feeling MS got it, and ran to their bedrock team "Hey, remember how people are saying the game's slow? BOY, DO I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU!
Now, get to it
vernal moth
Nah, you can deploy anywhere if I understood it correctly
There is a setup guide for azure
slim nymph
product tells devs they want it in 3 months
golden gust
for it to be viable, you need to host it on a cloud platform that lets you dynamically scales, etc
slim nymph
yep
golden gust
I can't see many servers actually snapping it up for that reason
slim nymph
or well if its even built around a process model even is nice
small scale run as single server, large scale run as cloud
i wonder if mojangs trying to move java towards "one day" using it
dinnerbone did say to me that one day there wont be a main thread....
oh right time to set alarm for tomorrow
mighty storm
main thread is gone? poggers?
peak dirge
I mean, Moore's Law slowdown pretty much guarantees that the game will need to stop having a main thread one day
mighty storm
isnt bedrock in C++ or smth?
compact pulsar
C++
smoky python
dinnerbone did say to me that one day there wont be a main thread....
@slim nymph it will not run at all..
peak dirge
Argubly, Moore's Law began slowing down starting in 2006 with 65nm.
compact pulsar
We'll understand everything on October 3rd at Minecraft Live
golden gust
I mean, at this point we know enough, i'd say
slim nymph
@smoky python what?
smoky python
I was joking
slim nymph
weird joke
peak dirge
smoky python
fr
slim nymph
php isnt always bad, last i looked at it, that code base actually had good code
mighty storm
real
python
hard argument
slim nymph
its mainly old php that sucks
golden gust
peak dirge
PHP 8 is getting a JIT. PocketMine is one of the few applications that could benefit from a PHP JIT.
slim nymph
modern php has some nice things
slim nymph
can even do async io in php, i literally did it in 2008~
peak dirge
But yeah, when I looked at PocketMine-MP, it was a cargo-culted Bukkit-inspired mess.
slim nymph
and its only gotten more mature since then
peak dirge
slim nymph
whats the issue with those 2? i dont see anything
peak dirge
Just look at this
Hint: this is not very good. PHP_SAPI is always cli, for instance.
slim nymph
utils classes should be abstract 😛
the impl of this was beyond dumb yeah of the old one
looks like they were trying to support bottom of the barrel configurations
maybe like old PHP 5 support w/o openssl
peak dirge
Also, including /proc/cpuinfo as input is cute, especially for people who use fruit-themed computers, an insecure, broken operating system from Redmond that you like to break, and people using various distributions with demon themes, pufferfish, and the one that claims it runs everywhere.
slim nymph
that weakEntropy is the biggest lol
lot of those could be cached, and it could of also been done once above loop
peak dirge
We won't go into Terry A. Davis's masterpiece
mighty storm
has simping rory gone too far?
bot auto-reacts a random rory emote every time rory is said
next wind
nice
twin lagoon
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no 😔
wide chasm
?ban 661578555821391873 advertising airdrop
leaden oxideBOT
Nick💔#2011 was banned | advertising airdrop
dim shadow
bruh
why do people keep trying to ssh into my server from places like colombia and south korea
golden gust
it's all automated
zealous knot
automated bots looking for vulnerable servers
dim shadow
every time i log in i get "last failed login attempt: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
golden gust
setup fail2ban
dim shadow
oh damn
heady spear
👀 look sexy hot hot
zealous knot
dont set up fail2ban
waxen panther
hot
twin lagoon
fail2ban becomes kinda pointless when ssh keys are in use
that does get them
the only thing i do is setup ssh keys & change ssh port
dim shadow
wat is ssh keys
twin lagoon
.g ssh keys
limber knotBOT
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golden gust
Idea is more to just block their connections from flooding the server
Then again, not like they're usually crazy enough with the # of requests
dim shadow
oh i already got firewall to do that... it even bans me when i try to download a ton of tiny files from ftp -_-
dim shadow
then i gotta borrow neighbor's wifi to unban myself
twin lagoon
waxen panther
dim shadow
who is that man
twin lagoon
broccy woccy uwu
zealous knot
uwu
dim shadow
pog?
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
yes
vs 
dim shadow
trollface was best meme
zealous knot
dim shadow
but yeah imma do ssh keys before someone gets in an gets op on my server lol
omg chloe ❤️
2nd best meme
golden gust
it's neither u sexist fuck
twin lagoon
oh right
dim shadow
rolf
cosmic raft
That in this game I play, the people I have land for a house from
twin lagoon
very non politically correct
cosmic raft
They end up paying around $45k (forty-five thousand) per month for the land they rent out, to the company who runs the game.
USD
golden gust
wat
cosmic raft
YUp.
cedar spade
is the game real life
dim shadow
wat
golden gust
new york commercial real estate
cosmic raft
dim shadow
o god secondlife
cosmic raft
They have around 150 homestead regions, and around 100 full-regions
cedar spade
Second Life still baffles me
dim shadow
i couldnt get into that game... u gotta pay to do anything worthwhile
cosmic raft
That adds up to roughly $45k
dim shadow
imagine payin rent on ur virtual house
cosmic raft
And if you think that is crazy, @golden gust
You should read about AnsheX
In November 2006 Chung announced that she had "become the first online personality to achieve a net worth exceeding one million US dollars from profits entirely earned inside a virtual world".[13]
heady spear
proxi is big succ
twin lagoon
heady spear
proxi = 💩
dim shadow
i think proxi is a pretty cool guy, eh sends pr's to paper and doesnt afraid of anything
heady spear
proxi is a girl
twin lagoon
guy
twin lagoon
gorl
dim shadow
omg its a meme ref ik shes a gorl
heady spear
wat
dim shadow
then again this is the internet... where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI
mental meadow
giiiiiirls
golden gust
I stand by rule 16
any violations of rule 16 are generally not worth persuing lest you love dealing with insanity
dim shadow
wat is rule 16
golden gust
Also, rule 36
cosmic raft
Also
dim shadow
damn i gotta brush up on my rules, i only remember #34
cosmic raft
The above was for around 250 regions total
dim shadow
can u even get rich in that game or was that just for initial adopters
cosmic raft
Azure Islands, a single one of the rental companies ran by AnsheX, has 700 regions
That is at least $76k per month, if only considering homesteads
If they are all full-regions, $160k
void void
golden gust
It's the games monitization system, they're paying that much, but, they're earning more than that...
cosmic raft
They pay that to the people who run the game, people who want to live on the land pay to AnsheX and they end up making profit
cosmic raft
For example
They pay $109 for a homestead
They make $130 from the person who rents it from them
dim shadow
yea but at the end of the day the house wins more than anyone else
and only a small percent can make a profit
everyone else just simps
twin lagoon
someone add UNI air-drop for non metamask to the dyno bot
golden gust
?ban @void void airdrop
leaden oxideBOT
✦𝐒𝐮𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐚𝐥𝐒𝐮𝐝𝐬✦#9344 was banned | airdrop
dim shadow
wtf is an airdrop LOL thats the second time i see someone banned for that
static badge
tf is that airdrop spam
heady spear
hi kashike uwu
limber knotBOT
it's pre-mine crypto currencies getting distributed
dim shadow
bruh dont ban them i need cash
limber knotBOT
most of them are scams (as to be expected by a pre-mine)
twin lagoon
airdrops are great
but these are a scam
UNI itself a legitimate coin, so is Uniswap
limber knotBOT
pre-mined crypto is more like a company distributing shares than properly free and decentralized crypto 👀
limber knotBOT
they basically want to raise money that way or buy themselves users by giving them some starting cash
twin lagoon
UNI will probably be spammed for a couple days though
they're the biggest airdrop yet
limber knotBOT
which might not be worth anything at the end of the day ¯_(ツ)_/¯
twin lagoon
giving away $1 - 3k per wallet
limber knotBOT
anyone who gets above 50$ will just instant sell and drop the price though
dim shadow
so where would i go to get a legit crypto airdrop
limber knotBOT
sounds artifical tbh
twin lagoon
doubt it
limber knotBOT
how large was the market? probably just a couple millions?
twin lagoon
400 million dollars
limber knotBOT
so just a couple millions 👀
twin lagoon
uniswap's 24h volume is 1.2 billion now
peak dirge
buttcorn, bitcorn, burntcoin, buttcoin, barfcoin
twin lagoon
marketcap of 511 million
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lol no such thing as free money 
twin lagoon
anyone who used uniswap's exchange service got 400 UNI
when i claimed it 3 days ago 400 UNI was worth $2.1k
limber knotBOT
in comparison to that bitcoin's market cap is 192 billion lmao
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
uni is place 38 xD
dim shadow
lol i used to buy crypto to try and profit
twin lagoon
UNI only dropped days after the airdrop
dim shadow
but i never did so i just spent it on drugs
twin lagoon
probably because of the stockmarket crash, everything crashed today & a bit yesterday
dim shadow
guess one could write a bot... i bet only bots make profit
limber knotBOT
god I remember the days when my sweet sweet doge was in the top 10 😢
dim shadow
lol is dogecoin still a thing even
limber knotBOT
why wouldn't it?
dim shadow
aint heard much about it lately
limber knotBOT
2014
twin lagoon
just like garlicoin, popular meme coin for a few months
limber knotBOT
or well, december 2013
twin lagoon
now it's dead & no one talks about it
dim shadow
nobody seems to surpass the og bitcoin
twin lagoon
sooner or later it will
limber knotBOT
still have a couple thousand doge lying around waiting for the next spike xD
peak dirge
I'm convinced any shmuck can launch a cryptocurrency
peak dirge
and profit handsomely
limber knotBOT
it's all about marketing
peak dirge
who wants to partake in my new crypto called Barfcoin?
twin lagoon
UNI is just an ERC-20 token, it's just a smart contract
dim shadow
if i can get some free barfcoins sure coint me in
limber knotBOT
nah, my idea is way better: Deptcoin. instead of getting money you get debt 
peak dirge
jk I would never do that
limber knotBOT
I personally don't get why company shares are traded as crypto currency tokens but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
green turret
Is there some sort of guide or tutorial I can read about crypto currency that will make it interesting for me, or is it just something you have to be super duper intellectual to appreciate?
dim shadow
- make new crypto
- advertise it and make it sound like next gen shit
- wait for people to buy a ton
- exit scam and take everyone's coin
limber knotBOT
wikipedia is pretty good
green turret
But it's so uninteresting.
limber knotBOT
why would you take everyone's coind when you already have their money?
limber knotBOT
eww coinbase
green turret
Okay I'm not so interested in it as a thing I want to "do".
I'm interested in learning why other people find it interesting.
twin lagoon
it's really just decentralized computing power & money
twin lagoon
https://ethereum.org/en/what-is-ethereum/ @green turret
limber knotBOT
and not like paypal/banks where you have to trust them
potent fossil
have said it before, and these neckbeards will cum about it, but it's usable currency. the problem is not a lot of IRL places take crypto, which is why however unfortunately the world still needs fiat. we aren't ready to replace fiat no matter how juicy it sounds
limber knotBOT
because you own your private key which mathematically verifies that only you can control the associated money. and your wallet amount and transactions are shared on the blockchain and verified by distributed computing (miners)
twin lagoon
i 100% agree with you
it is getting easier to use though
with services like coinbase card
limber knotBOT
I agree simple
green turret
I understand the tech. I have a buddy who works on some upcoming currency that's been invested very heavily in.
limber knotBOT
I try to push people around me to accept it (at least in their online shops) and even that's hard -.-
and you really have to search in big cities for offline places that accept it
potent fossil
other than the tech, it's currency just without the physical commodity backing it. some people like it. i trade crypto here and there but im not all in
coinbase does make it easy but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
but if I buy shit online I look if any of the alternative stores accept bitcoin and if they do I buy there
twin lagoon
i would totally trust all of my money in cryptocurrency
especially with stuff like DAI where you can earn an interest rate
green turret
Maybe it's because I don't really care for gambling.
twin lagoon
it's not just gambling
lol
there's stable coins/tokens out there
you can lend coins/tokens
limber knotBOT
I wouldn't call anything stable in today's economy
twin lagoon
eh some things are definitely stable $1 coins
limber knotBOT
well the dollar isn't stable so...
twin lagoon
but it is $1
green turret
But if I can't buy overpriced salmon at the local fish monger, why would I be interested in it?
limber knotBOT
just get a bitcoinc redit card
twin lagoon
right
limber knotBOT
(which is in itself dumb but ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
twin lagoon
@green turret as developer you could probably make a living off of it
it's a growing market
green turret
Is it compatible with everything my Visa is compatible with?
twin lagoon
no
green turret
Then there's no point for me I guess.
twin lagoon
there are debit cards which do that yes
but the coins themselves cannot be directly used as creditcard alternative
limber knotBOT
it's idiotic, really. support shops that accept bitcoin and not an old and broken system
green turret
I have never seen a store in real life that accepts any of it.
I don't think I've seen an online store that does either
limber knotBOT
because you didn't search for it ;)
twin lagoon
it's not really mainstream no
limber knotBOT
Steam accepted it for a while
green turret
Does Amazon take crypto coins?
limber knotBOT
Namecheap still does (and that's why I am with them)
no, amazon wants to push their own coin
twin lagoon
porkbun has cryptocurrency support fyi
green turret
It's so hard to get hyped up about it when it's effectively useless though.
I might as well buy gold bars. At least they're cool.
limber knotBOT
well be the change you want to see ¯_(ツ)_/¯
twin lagoon
i like cryptocurrenncy, i like the dapps that are out there
and decentralized finance is interesting
limber knotBOT
you can buy all this stuff with different cryptos btw.: https://openbazaar.com/ ;)
green turret
Phoenix that's nonsensical. I can't "be the change" if I can't buy food, wtf
zealous wedge
there's even a convenience store at my uni with a bitcoin atm
dunno if anyone uses it tho
twin lagoon
certain things you just don't buy with cryptocurrency yet
limber knotBOT
yes? you can ask shops about it. you can sell your own stuff with crypto
green turret
So I'll starve and die because nobody wanted to accept my MuleMoolah
limber knotBOT
nobody said that?
twin lagoon
crypto isn't a proper fiat alternative yet
green turret
Isn't Fiat a car manufacturer?
twin lagoon
fiat currency is government-issued currency
limber knotBOT
no, it's government issues currency
twin lagoon
but yes it also is a car manufacturer
green turret
What an annoying name for a car manufacturer then!
Okay so I can become the town looney that preaches about MuleMoolah being the best coin and then I'll die with all my savings backed up in a currency no one knows exists.
Hard sell man
twin lagoon
well you shouldn't create your own coin
green turret
What's wrong with my coin? It's as good as any!
limber knotBOT
well for one: nobody uses it :P
green turret
Nobody relevant to me uses anything else D:
So I have to be the evangelist!
Where's that SpongeBob meme where he's like "bleh"
Now!
Salmon burger
cedar spade
Salmon burger
green turret
Also thanks for the explanations and sorry I'm too boomer to like it
limber knotBOT
aren't boomers all about "taking back control from the evil government!" though?
twin lagoon
potent fossil
sigh
mental meadow
Same simple
potent fossil
got woken up by drunk neighbor's dog having dug a new hole under my fence, he was in my kitchen and my dog was not happy. tried to call her but she was drunk asleep, spam called her and she woke up and stumbled over and got the dog and tbh im just in a shitty mood now.
i hate alcoholics.
i cannot emphasize that enough. i fucking hate alcoholics.
mental meadow
That's though 😢 I hope he didn't break anything
potent fossil
no he's a sweet dog but im sure he's not being taken care of
i can't do anything about it.
void void
bruh
slim nymph
BRUH
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bruhhh
potent fossil
ok?
slim nymph
@potent fossil how did the dog get in your kitchen, back door open?
cedar spade
hurb
potent fossil
well, just got blocked on FB by some literal ancient fossil (not even a boomer, this is older than boomer). Someone posted on the local community page that they received a letter which is obv written by a kid and she's like "I WENT TO COLLEGE FOR HANDWRITING ANALYSIS THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY AN ADULT TH IS IS A SCAM CALL THE POLICE"
and I was like "...what" and she raged
and yes @slim nymph back door open
My dog needs it open, so :/
My brain is already rotting from the stupidity I've experienced today, need to get off of FB and try to do something else 
slim nymph
play vidya games
zealous wedge
you still have a brain simple?
limber knotBOT
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potent fossil
?
mossy vessel
Looks like an inside out kiwi
mossy vessel
crazy
void void
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the game is quirky my man
heady spear
@mossy vessel uwu ❤️
potent fossil
like if you wanna send pics fine but include some substance... like shit. Not "bruh" or nothing at all.
Otherwise you're just spamming
mossy vessel
City uwu 😳
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bruh
potent fossil
proxi 😠
cedar spade
bruh
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simple 🥺
potent fossil
first thing im doing at papercon is "bruh"-ing at you both then walking away because ill need a drink
mossy vessel
papercon?
potent fossil
yes papercon
ancient bolt
void void
oh
potent fossil
ok, like
you just gonna continue spamming?
https://origamiusa.org/conventions
real papercon when
mossy vessel
oic
potent fossil
mossy vessel
Uwubstret
cedar spade
10
heady spear
nmf what r u doing this beautiful evening? xoxo
quasi valley
I saw that
heady spear
hi kenny owo
zealous wedge
good morning uwu
limber knotBOT
SORRY HABIT
mossy vessel
Staying sober
potent fossil
What did chew do @quasi valley
worn ember
bruh
cloud dawn
Does anyone have a working copy of factions, massivecore, and dynmap? since all 3 are broken on 1.16.x and I cannot find it anywhere on spigot or google
earnest cape
is there a way to disable players from killing others with beds in the nether and end? they're playing on a survival server with pvp off, but beds still do damage to others in the nether/end.
worn ember
uuidfactions maybe
mossy vessel
Dynmap supports 1.16 afaik, just use a dev build
mental meadow
Have y'all heard of #paper-help
potent fossil
World guard disallow placing of beds in those world's?
worn ember
who's that aurora?
cloud dawn
Dynmap supports 1.16 afaik, just use a dev build
@mossy vessel ty
earnest cape
but if i do want players to allow using beds to mine for ancient debris in the nether or use it against the ender dragon, is there any option to have players get damaged only by the beds that they themselves right click on?
cloud dawn
So dynmap fixed, now factions and massivecore I have to search through the earth to find
limber knotBOT
pretty sure massive stuff isn't properly updated to 1.16 👀
potent fossil
massive* code is massive shit
cloud dawn
potent fossil
wouldnt run that anywhere
worn ember
massive core, more like massive pile of shit
cloud dawn
Is this where we are going nowdays
limber knotBOT
mfw they archived the github repo
worn ember
when no one paid developers for their work? yeah great times /s
quasi valley
good ones still are 
potent fossil
Oh yeah, fuck the devs. They don't deserve any money for their hard work.
Stupid greedy cunts amirite
mossy vessel
FUUID is foss (still) isn't it lol
cloud dawn
Then put up donations
potent fossil
Why? So people like you can ignore it?
limber knotBOT
nobody donates without a paywall
worn ember
limber knotBOT
what you see is a paywall
limber knotBOT
either pay to get it easy or get it for free without support ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
thats why i vouch for paid plugins on hangar /s
potent fossil
He suggests a donate button knowing full well he'd never use it
mental meadow
You get maybe 10$ per Million downloads
potent fossil
whatever, more stupidity ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wide chasm
Actually I got 50$ on 50k downloads
limber knotBOT
tbh having a way to popup a big donation link on download for verified authors/resources would be pretty nice
potent fossil
So are we, the devs
wide chasm
Dark, tell me your secrets
potent fossil
It's almost like...the world is in a pandemic and almost globally experiencing financial crisis
mental meadow
Everyone is always on a budget and everyone always expects everything for free
potent fossil
And people want to make some cash where possible
worn ember
just tell someone you'll make them a plugin but then never make it ig 
worn ember
i kinda need to do that quest plugin
mental meadow
ded I got 0$ for 35k downloads :(
limber knotBOT
for Massive Factions
wide chasm
Sounds like a scam lol
worn ember
but i havent really had the time lol
wide chasm
0 for 35k is impressively low tbh
worn ember
people just dont like you aurora
mental meadow
It's the best permission plugin there is what do you mean nmf
mossy vessel
bp has 41k lol
mental meadow
I know :c
void void
runs
mental meadow
Oh really?
wide chasm
Pretty sure I got at least one donation before hitting 35k
worn ember
@void void run faster ya fatass
mossy vessel
just checked
worn ember
stop slacking
potent fossil
TRANS RIGHTS TRANS RIGHTS
mossy vessel
Would I've used bp in the past, I would've donated to you <3
mental meadow
uwu
quasi valley
SIMP SIMP
mental meadow
Not even a Ko-Fi so far
void void
@worn ember no u
mental meadow
That's sad
wide chasm
Ko-Fi is that weird donation platform thingy, right?
worn ember
yes
potent fossil
Ko-Fi is like "buy a coffee"
worn ember
omg really?
zealous knot
My API serves 150 million requests a month and i only got a single $3 donation so far lol
wide chasm
Oh one of those, great
potent fossil
omg yes ded
mossy vessel
I never used kofi lol
worn ember
genious
void void
kofii
mossy vessel
Or I don't have it set up yet
potent fossil
can you spell genius correctly, genius? @worn ember
wide chasm
I never liked those personally since often you can't adjust the amount as a donator.
worn ember
no
mental meadow
It's perfect for small donations
worn ember
i decide the spelling of words, not you
limber knotBOT
usually it's not worth the time setting it up and filling out tax forms etc
mental meadow
Well it's always 2$ you donate on there
mossy vessel
I used to go via paypal for donations the years back, before github sponsors or other platforms were an actual thing
limber knotBOT
or do they get around that somehow?
zealous knot
imagine paying taxes lol
potent fossil
Sounds like when Webster decided American English needed to be a thing so he released his modified dictionary and then everyone just started using a different form of English entirely
limber knotBOT
imagine not requiring tax info beyond a simple tax id
worn ember
who?
void void
T A X
wide chasm
I feel like, but that might be wrong, that people that want to donate less will end up not donating at all and people that want to donate more, will only donate the amount you specified.
potent fossil
Daniel Webster, of Webster's Dictionary
limber knotBOT
or, you know, imagine trusting the dude who writes the taxes 👀
mental meadow
phoenix Ko-Fi is basically a fancy frontend for PayPal, they only support PayPal and you don't actually pay via their platform
worn ember
sounds like Dexter, from Dexter's Labratory
limber knotBOT
eww, paypal xD
wide chasm
Donations are tax exempt up to 2500 euro per person per year here, so it's practically impossible for me to have to pay taxes over those 🙂
limber knotBOT
but I see
potent fossil
He's some old fucker who wrote the american dictionary with arbitrary spelling changes
potent fossil
And now we write differently yay
worn ember
if you spend everything online they'll never know anyway
limber knotBOT
stefvanschie: platforms like patreon and curseforge still want your tax info though lol
mental meadow
I agree, fuck PayPal, but there's sadly no really good other option that's accepted as widely
wide chasm
Yeah, have given it to curseforge
olive garden
@wide chasm I will donate 2500 EUR just to fuck you over, how does that sound?
worn ember
me too plz
potent fossil
@wide chasm I will donate 2500 EUR just to fuck you
over, how does that sound?
@olive garden ftfy
worn ember
fuck me over trig ❤️
worn ember
fuck me over good
wide chasm
Pretty sure it's above 2500 EUR, so I'd still be good 🙂
mental meadow
I don't have to pay taxes unless I get more than 11k a year so I'd be fine with that
heady spear
no one ever donates to me so someone should fix that
worn ember
are tax exemptions LGBT rights?
potent fossil
you wot
mossy vessel
olive garden
ded is being brainded again
mossy vessel
I send you $50 some months back city smh
potent fossil
there was nothing LGBT about that statement? it's a tax bracket??
worn ember
u never know
mental meadow
@void void the second role is ping able and everyone with moderating rights is in there, that's why there's 2
olive garden
😐
worn ember
potent fossil
wdym you never know, you would know if you used your brain before speaking
and looked up tax brackets
worn ember
city big brain swede
potent fossil
check that out, easy. google "austria tax brackets" https://owo.whats-th.is/5hjQDZ7.png
mental meadow
City I told you I'd simp you if you add a lower tier
twin lagoon
uwura
mossy vessel
I also donated to Jesse iirc
potent fossil
im salty now, "is that an LGBT right?" plz
heady spear
it's fine, I think I've made more in donations than most people here
potent fossil
fuck outta here
wide chasm
7 brackets wow
mossy vessel
before he vanished
heady spear
I just wanted to be includedddddd
wide chasm
We only have 4 brackets
mossy vessel
Just wanted to offend you
mental meadow
In that case go donate to me
olive garden
we don't have brackets 
heady spear
If I had money I would
mental meadow
Nmf you should pay me back
worn ember
wtf those rates are so low
mossy vessel
Pay you what back?
wide chasm
Austria has a 0% bracket, I'm jealous
heady spear
wait also aurora should get FAWE donations
mental meadow
The 10€ Fawe donation I send you a year ago that made me a mod
wide chasm
lol
heady spear
👀
worn ember
mossy vessel
Oh lol, I don't remember
olive garden
@worn ember there are probably other type of taxes as well on top of that, eg. healthcare contribution, pension
wide chasm
25% lol, starts at 30+ something % here
mossy vessel
I donated IronApollo a few bucks a year ago as well
mental meadow
You have too much money
mossy vessel
Cuz he fixed a game breaking issue for me
worn ember
i donated $5 to aurora so she wouldnt ban me 👀
potent fossil
and then there's USA, where what you pay depends not only on income but your status in the family https://owo.whats-th.is/ZzJDvsZ.png
mossy vessel
Nah lol, money came from my network
wide chasm
Donate 10 to me and I'll convince the other mods not to ban you /s
void void
i donated 0$ dollars to paper because im nice
worn ember
i donated some $$$ to z
potent fossil
wide chasm
Oh wtf, they changed the tax brackets this year. Smh have to pay more.
worn ember
and wikipedia too, damn im so nice
wide chasm
Only 0.7%, but still.
worn ember
mental meadow
I think you should use BungeePerms and donate to it
worn ember
0.7% more taxes i'd assume
mental meadow
It's the best permission plugin
olive garden
didn't he say he was tax exempt or something
mental meadow
No fancy web interface stuff
olive garden
oh, he has a real job or something
mossy vessel
I used to use PEx and later the years my own one :(
wide chasm
Well, practically not because my tax discounts ensure that my final tax amount is below 0%, so I get money back.
mental meadow
Only good old commands
olive garden
government sector 🤮
wide chasm
But technically I have to pay taxes, yes.
olive garden
worn ember
imagine paying your own taxes to then get paid by taxes
mossy vessel
And I never ran Bungee so I don't need a Bungee permission plugin, aurora 
heady spear
bungeeperms also supports bukkit and velocity
potent fossil
are you talking about a tax return ded
heady spear
it's a really good plugin
mental meadow
BungeePerms also works on Velocity and paper 😢
worn ember
no i'm talking about jokes
heady spear
I've been using it for like a year
mossy vessel
Yeah, ik
mental meadow
Imagine not knowing that
mossy vessel
I'm an ancient lilypad user
wide chasm
Government at least calculates this all up front, so I never pay them actual money, I just get the remaining money back somewhere in May.
potent fossil
ded, stick to your day job and never become a comedian because you're shit at it
heady spear
ok simple
worn ember
idk how taxes work, cuz apparently you dont need to learn how that shit works in school
wide chasm
If you took economics at high school, you'd have a basic understanding of this
potent fossil
city have you had any alcohol tonight
worn ember
wtf bullying
cyan nova
should make a plugin to notify players when tax reports need to be filled
mossy vessel
city have you had any alcohol tonight
no
heady spear
shut up dark I just want to PR my shitty commands to ur shitty plugin to make it even shittier
wide chasm
In practice it boils down to, look at tax form, if your country is sane it's already filled in for you, go over it to check if it's correct, submit and wait for money to be sent/taken.
heady spear
u better accept it
worn ember
heady spear
u will accept
mental meadow
Wait y'all haven't blocked ded yet?
heady spear
otherwise I'll just distribute it via IS
worn ember
go ahead, then i dont need to deal with the dums that use it
wide chasm
?warn 208641151509463051 Watch your language
leaden oxideBOT
Warning logged for DarkEyeDragon#5583. I couldn't DM them. || Watch your language
potent fossil
I mean, it's pretty easy. A good job will deduct from your check and pay for you according to the paperwork you file on first day instructing how you want your taxes paid. I always overpay just to ensure I don't underpay, and then that's why I get any amount of money in the return (it's a refund on overpayments)... There are actually people who think a tax return is just free money at the end of the year
And IRC doesn't forget, you still said it so own it.
Wasn't an unfair punishment
olive garden
what did you say ded? can you repeat it for me?
worn ember
yeah maybe taxes are simple for you, but here in belgium theres like 50 billion rules on who pays what and how much based on 10 billion other factors
mental meadow
ded you need to learn that's why you get punished 🥰
zealous wedge
nah, if you have a single full-time job you should be able to sort your taxes out so the amount withheld is just about the amount you owe
wide chasm
gets money back without paying taxes
For some, the tax return is free money 😉
potent fossil
In what country are you getting a refund on nothing
zealous wedge
sadly i have like 6 part-time jobs and contractor work so taxes are always a bit of a crapshoot
potent fossil
Cuz I'm moving there
wide chasm
Netherlands
zealous wedge
canada too
heady spear
yay the java developer dude asked me out on a date, now I can stop being so horny for @potent fossil
wide chasm
You need to earn less than a certain threshold, though
mental meadow
Germany as well depending on what you do
wide chasm
And have a job.
zealous wedge
eww why would you date a java developer dude
potent fossil
Ok, someone let me move in with them in a country that does that
mental meadow
Wasn't that the one that didn't like javadoc city?
mossy vessel
Imagine he writes skripts
worn ember
?warn stef being a kaaskop
olive garden
lol
olive garden
@potent fossil hint: software engineers probably earn more than that threshold
mossy vessel
o
potent fossil
ill work at mcdonalds
heady spear
tho he did tell me he doesn't think commenting every public method is necessary
mental meadow
It's okay we can share
olive garden
but considering university is free... maybe it would still be worth it
wide chasm
University isn't free here, though
heady spear
so that was a huge turnoff
olive garden
sucks to be you
wide chasm
It does
mossy vessel
That's weird
wide chasm
But I have enough money to pay for it
worn ember
my sister works part time and if she works full time she only makes 200euro more cuz she falls in a different bracket lol
olive garden
how much is it?
heady spear
uni here is free and we have a 0% tax bracket :]
potent fossil
im going into debt anyway, im looking at uuuuhhh approximately $13K in student loans if I continue doing as much as possible at the community college :/
which is better than some but whatever
olive garden
I only have to pay if I fail stuff, want to get my documents replaced and stuff like that
mental meadow
Fawe = Fleeing away without ever (meeting you)
olive garden
and I receive money if I get good grades
(that money hardly covers food costs, but whatever)
wide chasm
It's slightly over 1k euro for the first year, then slightly over 2k per year for all other years.
potent fossil
I can get $2000 if I get my GPA back up and then write an essay
olive garden
wow that's a lot
heady spear
I get money for being enrolled in uni. We don't have mandatory attendance
ancient bolt
$13k in student loans
wide chasm
About 5.5k euro in total for a three year study
wide chasm
I mean, should be 0 imo, but not as bad as some countries
ancient bolt
I'm almost below $20k in student loans after paying towards it for 4 yeras
potent fossil
yeah but you got a masters
mental meadow
Imagine getting money and having a job and being mentally stable enough to work full time am I right
potent fossil
thats $$$$
worn ember
thats the cost of freedom
olive garden
you pay that much here if you enter a non-state financed course (so if you didn't have enough points)
heady spear
imagine paying for ur degree smh
potent fossil
i do want a masters one day but atm im just tryna get that initial degree
the struggle
olive garden
the downside is that you have to work ~3 years in the country you studied in
ancient bolt
student loan payments are on hold atm but I'm still paying right now because any payments I make right now goes completely towards principle
no interest
potent fossil
thats good
wide chasm
Oh what, that's an interesting requirement.
worn ember
if you're 20k in debt here as a student they'd probably take your house to cover for it
potent fossil
i mean, if you default on your loan then they can do a whole lot of things to you here
wide chasm
Previous government was better with university costs, but current government thought that the free market was a good idea dna pplied it to university costs as well.
potent fossil
but if you're paying it off then you're fine
olive garden
They pay you to study, but you have to use the acquired skills in your own country. Makes sense, doesn't it?
wide chasm
Even though the cost of universities is standardized.
worn ember
at least you have a government
heady spear
actual uni is free
mossy vessel
My uni is cheap shit, I should be good there 
worn ember
400+ days after elections and we still dont have a new government
heady spear
I'll be $40k in debt after my masters
potent fossil
also $13K was a complete guess, not entirely sure what my end-debt will be. $13K would be contingent on the fact that I can find a cheap reliable car to drive 1.5hrs daily back and forth to campus and not have to pay room and board
heady spear
DED, we had a very similar situation last election
and we ended up with a minority government
worn ember
the elections were 26 May 2019
heady spear
so they can't get anything done
olive garden
where do you live DED?
heady spear
he lives in belgium
wide chasm
When the new government is ready, you can vote again 🙂
worn ember
bruh do you still not know
olive garden
I have the memory of a cheeseburger
wide chasm
It's wrong Netherlands
worn ember
they literally just form whatever they want, dont even care about the elections
potent fossil
whats the price of the series x going to be?
wide chasm
500
potent fossil
fuck that noise
slim nymph
300 and 500
worn ember
blame the alcohol city
slim nymph
oh you asked series xspecifically
heady spear
same here dark, the elections determine your number of "seats" in parliament
worn ember
sorry for comparing you to a swede
slim nymph
i got my alarm set to preorder tomorrow
heady spear
and then they try to make unions to maximise the number of seats
our current government has less than the opposition
wide chasm
Hope that the bots don't snipe everything for you
worn ember
well at least they cant fuck up more
potent fossil
xbox
worn ember
10box
zealous knot
80hd
worn ember
olive garden
you weren't part of the Warsaw Pact countries, so don't complain about a lack of parliament
worn ember
bruh that emote lines up perfectly with the crab rave
zealous wedge
uh @ancient bolt what the fuck tuition for my entire degree was <$20k US
potent fossil
he got a masters
zealous wedge
you shouldn't be paying for a masters though
potent fossil
u wot
zealous wedge
idk i've always been told if you're paying for your own masters you're doing it wrong
worn ember
@olive garden blue is better color anyway
zealous wedge
there's a lot of grad student funding around
quasi valley
u wot
worn ember
kneny
olive garden
red is the color of your blood, is it not?
you are bound to the soviet union my friend
ancient bolt
it wasn't
potent fossil
well yea idk how it works, im sure you can get it funded but idk
worn ember
would be your blood m8
slim nymph
this is murica, someone giving you free money to go to expensive top of the line schools? seems sketchy
worn ember
my blood is blue, since i'm royal
potent fossil
80K total tuition
ancient bolt
there's also a separate 60k loan
worn ember
those are some big numbers
potent fossil
ancient bolt
that's been paid down to 40k
My masters degree was...not normal
you shouldn't use it as any kind of indication of how normal masters degrees are done
it's pretty useless tbh, but I have the piece of paper which is all that matters
truth is no one cares
worn ember
40k piece of paper 
slim nymph
yeah but as i said to you before, now you got a job, those pieces of paper hold less value lol
ancient bolt
I got my first programming job before I had any degree at all
potent fossil
I wanna live in the philippines, and sadly there is simply 0 way to get a job there w/o at least a bachelors. too bad it's not like the US where degrees are less important
ancient bolt
was a year out from graduation when I got my first one
slim nymph
then why did you go for masters
worn ember
i should sell my degree for 40k and get another degree and save 30k
sounds like a plan
ancient bolt
because, as said earlier, my masters degree was not normal
it was already in progress
slim nymph
but why finish it?