demon souls?
#general
spiral zinc
stiff yarrow
idk if I have patience to watch the rest of this conference
fallen oracle
If ur watching on Twitch you're about 45 seconds ahead of YouTube.
spiral zinc
yeah YT tends to have a little lag-back on these streams
that FNAF game seems cool though
TBH i didn't even know they were still working on fnaf games
stiff yarrow
can't tell if demon souls remake or new dark souls
vernal moth
Just watch a 15min summary the next day, lol
spiral zinc
nah this is demon souls
vernal moth
spiral zinc
it was teased last conference
stiff yarrow
I only ever played 20 mins of demons souls
spiral zinc
console exclusive
vernal moth
It's console exclusive!!!!
limber knotBOT
I mean it's only a "showcase" (is what they are gonna say)
stiff yarrow
exclusive these days mean "btw timed 1 year exclusive not really exclusive"
spiral zinc
it's shown that mark for two games so far
ffxvi and the other one was so stupid i didn't care to note it
slim nymph
wheres the HDR scenes
limber knotBOT
the exclusive screen is clearly and intentional misleading lol
slim nymph
these games are not showcasing graphics worth a amn
vernal moth
Why care about HDR when most ppl don't even have HDR monitors/tvs?
spiral zinc
those graphics were beautiful
fallen oracle
They can't go above 1080p. Should've used Mixer for the showcase so they could do 4K.
stiff yarrow
idk hdr TV seems pretty common
spiral zinc
they are on mixer too i think
slim nymph
uh most people on a 4k system do have hdr, what you smoking lol
stiff yarrow
if you are an adult that is
vernal moth
If you buy now
limber knotBOT
nobody is on mixer lol
slim nymph
hdrs old
vernal moth
Not if you brought a few years back
spiral zinc
facebook gaming i mean
stiff yarrow
all the TVs I saw were doing hdr when I bought mine
slim nymph
and whats point of moving to 4k graphics if gonna be on old tv, thats why ms embraced that
vernal moth
Maybe mine has hdr without me knowing, lol
spiral zinc
is this some sort of game pass for ps+?
slim nymph
im thinking it is
limber knotBOT
it's their list of remakes/remasters
slim nymph
plus tvs are so cheap now too
stiff yarrow
pre order pls
slim nymph
figured lol
stiff yarrow
similar prices
spiral zinc
best I can do is $10
limber knotBOT
wow, EU is getting scammed again
stiff yarrow
nov 12th
slim nymph
so they gonna take the loss on digital edition
spiral zinc
wait, what was the price for the digital edition
slim nymph
400
fallen oracle
Did anyone snap a picc of the prices?
mighty storm
how much is ps5 price did they decide
stiff yarrow
and the conference is ending just like that?
slim nymph
500 for top, 400 for digital
spiral zinc
I did not get to snap a picture
stiff yarrow
500 for having a disk drive
mighty storm
how much is xbox stuff
spiral zinc
But you can search ps5 on twitter
stiff yarrow
400 without
spiral zinc
and just go to images
slim nymph
500 and 300
mighty storm
why is having a disk drive more expensive, isnt storage expensive,shouldnt htat be reversed
spiral zinc
OH SHIT
ashen cliff
That's cheap for the hardware you actually get.
stiff yarrow
@mighty storm idk kind of makes sense to me
slim nymph
disk drive? its an optical drive lol
slim nymph
wait waht did it just show iw asnt looking
slim nymph
ah
limber knotBOT
fallen oracle
So for about $1400 you can pick up a 3080, and new gen consoles.
slim nymph
estmated reports that the build cost for ps is around 450~, so they make some profit on the 500 model, and prob lose a little or break even on digital
mighty storm
ah yes love the coffe maker console /s
slim nymph
coffee maker?
mighty storm
ye thats what it looks like
cunning raft
i wonder if that router has wifi 6
jovial cloak
So this generation will hit what, 4k 30 or 1080/60 at last? 😂
slim nymph
im not sure which console you mean, cause neither look like one to me lol
spiral zinc
8k60
cunning raft
So this generation will hit what, 4k 30 or 1080/60 at last? 😂
gaming at 4k is dumb
spiral zinc
4k120
jovial cloak
4k 60 using upscaling maybe from 1440p
mighty storm
just switch for me thanks
stiff yarrow
2k60 > 4k30
ashen cliff
Some hardware hacker better turn one into a router/AP.
mighty storm
480p15fps is best tbh
jovial cloak
2k == 1080p more or less
spiral zinc
but at least we got a price
jovial cloak
1440p is the best point IMO for gaming
zealous knot
Or 2108p
stiff yarrow
I'd rather run in 2k at higher FPS and let my TV just upscale it than do native 4k at dogpoo framerate
jovial cloak
The problem we're gonna really start running into is input latency and refresh rate on TVs
ashen cliff
spiral zinc
you buying the digital edition or the standard console nossr
limber knotBOT
doesn't anyone who cares about framerate play on a PC monitor anyways?
jovial cloak
I'm tempted to get a BFGD and a 3090 xD
spiral zinc
my games have always been digital so that extra $100 could be used towards a launch title lol
slim nymph
phoenix you seem to have some misunderstanding of console performance.
my XOneX runs games like a champ
stiff yarrow
you buying the digital edition or the standard console nossr
@spiral zinc tbh I don't know, I buy physical disks some of the time
phoenix: tvs do 120hz
and gsync/freesync
nowadays
limber knotBOT
Aikar: show me a console that can compare to the best PC money can buy... it's about potential, not "performance per price"
stiff yarrow
not talking to you
slim nymph
i dont need 1 to 1 comparison, i need a smooth experience that delivers stunning graphics
my console delivers that
stiff yarrow
phoenix: why does it matter to you if we play on consoles or not
jovial cloak
That smooth, cinematic 30fps xD
limber knotBOT
are TV panels up tot he proper refresh rates PC monitors do nowadays? last I checked they still had some really "fake" fps which introduced artifacts and tearing
worn ember
console war going on 🍿
stiff yarrow
yes they are
jovial cloak
Some newer ones are but the overwhelming majority of TVs in peoples homes today are not
stiff yarrow
my TV does 120 fps IIRC, HDR and it might have adaptive sync I'd have to check
jovial cloak
and the cost of a 65in 120hz display is stupid
limber knotBOT
I just find it odd that people care about FPS or picture quality with consoles when the important part about them is their "couch-playability" and exclusives
worn ember
plasma gang 
limber knotBOT
and I guess their cheap price for what you get
stiff yarrow
a 65" tv that can do 120hz is way cheaper than a car and its like a once every few years purchase
limber knotBOT
a massproduced, gaming-optimized PC often sold at a loss
jovial cloak
Consoles are fine if you want a 'good enough' experience cheaply, but they are a long way away from the best that can be had
stiff yarrow
sounds like you're just behind on the times phoenix
stiff yarrow
TVs are baller displays now
limber knotBOT
"cheaper than a car" wtf kind of metric is that
golden gust
most console users really don't give a shit about getting top end things like TVs, etc
jovial cloak
that said it's cheap upfront cost, you have to pay for it in the long run with online fees and higher game costs
limber knotBOT
if you buy a TV for 30k then wtf is wrong with you lol
worn ember
my tv is cheaper than a house guys, therefore its good 
golden gust
Like, yea, a fair chunk can, but for most people it's often running on stuff like the kids TV, etc, which is often a bit behind or cheaper where 4k, etc, really don't matter
stiff yarrow
we're adults why are we talking about what kids want
slim nymph
all iknow is RDR2 was absolutely stunning with amazing graphics, super awesome light, ran super smooth
i cant ask for more than that
limber knotBOT
nossr50: games are for kids, didn't you get the memo?
golden gust
Because let's face it, consoles are more marketed towards teens, etc, than us
stiff yarrow
I don't care that a 14 year old kid doesn't have HDR or a 4k display at 120hz
limber knotBOT
nobody above 18 is allowed to play anymore 👀
worn ember
half the games rated 18+
limber knotBOT
as if kids would care about rating, lmao
golden gust
caring about age ratings
worn ember
yeah well my grandma cant play with lego's anymore
slim nymph
stiff yarrow
everyone in this chat is presumably an adult, the same people who want high end monitors are the same people who get high end TVs for console gaming (or streaming stuff)
golden gust
The thing is that the major aim for consoles is to get something affordable and powerful enough for marketeering wank so you can sell it to adults who have half a clue so they can play with their mates on eggsbot
jovial cloak
@slim nymph lol full size that image is a burry mess
golden gust
If you want high end gaming with ALL THE FPS, you spend a metric fuckton of cash on a PC
jovial cloak
from where its been upsampled
slim nymph
yeah its xbox site upload
stiff yarrow
true that cat
jovial cloak
its not compression artefacts, that's upscaling artifacts
golden gust
Many consoles are also sold at a loss already to make it attractive to buyers
slim nymph
stiff yarrow
anyways it shouldn't surprise anyone that adults with disposable income who care about their hobby spend a bit of money on a good TV for their console gaming experience, I know plenty of people spending stupid amounts on guns to shoot or dirt bikes, etc, gaming is a relatively cheap hobby tbh
slim nymph
thats using download so the native resolution
upper flicker
not everyone needs the shiniest fanciest thing
some people just wanna lean back and play a game on their couch
it's fine kiddos
golden gust
it doesn't make sense for sony, etc, to throw out a console with stupidly high specs to the point that it out-prices what your average gamer is willing to pay, etc
slim nymph
@jovial cloak first screen was literally a copy image from https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/aikar/screenshot/19733638
so they must downscale it
stiff yarrow
yeah
jovial cloak
the HUD doesn't have the same scaling artefacts as the rest of the image
the poor machine is probably struggling to maintain 30fps and sacrificing resolution to do it
spiral sparrow
spiral sparrow
Hey @void void im on windows now
jovial cloak
That's a really good example of scaling in effect that huck just posted
HUD elements are all sharp and clear, game itself is muddied and blurry
spiral sparrow
Thx man @void void
worn ember
just let them play their console game jesus christ lmao
slim nymph
lol i was confused on i recognized that screenshot at first the nrealized it was mine
poor Lysol RIP
jovial cloak
I don't think anyone cares that people are playing games on their console, it's when console players try to claim that consoles can do the same thing, have the same quality experience, etc
slim nymph
never said same thing, i said delivers a great experience
upper flicker
if the experience youre looking for is lean back and enjoy a game
yeah it can provide the same thing
if it's mega oofers resolution, framerate, textures, etc
no
and thats fine
slim nymph
PC players sit close to monitors, you dont on console
golden gust
as I said, most players really don't care
slim nymph
you're not going to go "I See that upscaling!"
golden gust
They just want something affordable that they can sit tf down in and play
jovial cloak
indeed, it's the only reason they get away with it most of the time - anything higher than 1080p is often wasted on consoles because of how far away you're sat
slim nymph
and something thatll run all the future games for the next 5 years too
jovial cloak
with that narrow FOV
spiral zinc
where was it revealed in the showcase that the ps5 would be launched nov 12th
thats what everyone is saying but i didnt see a date
slim nymph
the end tee
it was clearly on the screen lol
with some other date for rest of world
slim nymph
next slide
limber knotBOT
spiral zinc
oh yeah
mighty storm
wtf are the clip names
upper flicker
the PS5 looks like one of those big ISP router/modem/cable box combos
of course the xbox doesnt look great either
void void
psTACO
stiff yarrow
I kind of like it despite how goofy it looks
upper flicker
ps5 controller looks nice though
spiral zinc
jovial cloak
It would have been nice if they'd made the PS5 with a VESA adapter so it could sit out of sight behind the TV
void void
Fridge
slim nymph
you dont like boomboxes Z?
spiral zinc
slim nymph
i cant believe they did that design on the S lol
upper flicker
xbox needs to get their own
void void
nice bin dude
jovial cloak
speaking of I need to take the bins out in a mo
limber knotBOT
tbh the xbox looks pretty rad. I would love a PC chasis like that
slim nymph
im hoping with hw dolby vision itll support DV for my TV completely
slim nymph
my TV has DV but xbox doesnt support it for games due to older spec, but does for netflix
jovial cloak
I have to admit I do like the look of those machines
quasi valley
my computer is just a black box with a single led to tell me it's on, and I like that better than the xbox design 
jovial cloak
very industrial looking
void void
Xbox 360
stiff yarrow
tbh not all upscalers are created equal, I can notice upscaling artifacts on my friends LG tv, but on my Sony I never notice it
jovial cloak
With great upscaling comes great latency
golden gust
and people mocked the trashcan
limber knotBOT
I want one but in white ;_;
jovial cloak
I'd love something like the previous thinkstation but without the drive bays and the front IO moved up top
void void
where is the floppy disc
slim nymph
initial google shows PS has no confirmed Dolby.... major fail lol
spiral zinc
what about ghost s1
void void
not bad
void void
water cooled
stiff yarrow
I thought about doing a tiny case build for my living room PC but I ended up saying "eh that's a lot of work" and going with a wall mounted case instead
jovial cloak
Oh man if I could remove that logo and tone down the RGB...
potent fossil
Alright retook my physics twice and it still be fucking me up. First attempt 8/20, second 9/20, third 11/20. 
slim nymph
i might upgrade my sound system next year too for dolby atmos
jovial cloak
a literal 'thin' client
golden gust
See, devices like the nuc or thinkcenter look great for TV stuff, assuming that you're not gaming or wanna deal with remote gaming stuff
limber knotBOT
I mean, at that point you can just use whatever android box
jovial cloak
I was gonna say, perfect for POS and Kiosk machines
void void
ive been using an old HD TV i found from the trash literally and its pretty great
60Hz samsung lcd apparently
slim nymph
well they super cheap now
you can get a 32" all the fancy bells and whistles for 150~
jovial cloak
my TV is more than a decade old at this point xD
golden gust
Getting a TV is on my "stuff I might buy"
spiral sparrow
i think sony won again
void void
nah i use 1920x1080 60Hz
stiff yarrow
I got a TV/ps4 pro at the start of covid19 and now I'm glad I did, its one of the only things to do and comfy af
golden gust
Moved into this place a month ago and don't really wanna throw the cash on it yet, but, kinda wanna aim to have that seperation of stuff, especially as my living room is my office is my bedroom
void void
had an old 720p monitor used that for a few years
stiff yarrow
I've considered putting my PC in my living room because my office bothered me but I made some improvements to my office and it bothers me less
void void
played halo 2 on it
slim nymph
trust me you want 4k Dolby Vision
less so about the res, more so about vision
HDR is just so nice
and DV is proper hdr
stiff yarrow
I haven't turned HDR off to see what its like without it
jovial cloak
144p ftw? xD
spiral sparrow
ps5 pre order is tomorrow @stiff yarrow @spiral zinc
jovial cloak
what's the word on PS4 backward compatibility?
stiff yarrow
I'm 13ft away from my 4k TV on my couch and its really nice (upscaler black magic most the time)
spiral sparrow
u should look at the majore sites tonight at 12 est
golden gust
One thing i have with buying a TV is the distance to where my TV would go in the living room; Maybe I'll just make sure I can shove it onto the table near the end of my bed 😄
stiff yarrow
I signed up on sonys official website for pre orders
post a pic of your space cat so I can give expert interior decorating advice
void void
if im gonna watch something i would watch it 480p minimum or gtfo
spiral sparrow
the ps3 was $600 at launch wowe
slim nymph
if you dont know what Dolby Vision is, HDR standalone has a color profile for the "media", on how to tune each color depth. but thats 1 profile for the entire movie/game
Dolby Vision goes an extra level to build profiles on a scene by scene basis. so daylight desert scenes are different profiles from night time, different from evening in a lush tropical forest.
golden gust
My place is a mess right now, it's sorta like half way between clean and "i moved in here"
jovial cloak
They're very keen not to repeat the mistakes they made with the 360 and PS3
slim nymph
it lets it optimize as the scenes change qualities
jovial cloak
that generation lasted so long that the 'pc master race' really got its foothold
stiff yarrow
at retailers? what about the official pre order list thing
left swift
What's halo 5
slim nymph
im so far behind on halos
void void
the game was not even rendering properly
had to download the whole game over again over internet
so thats around 100GB of data
left swift
Data caps 
stiff yarrow
I don't even know what the current xbox is called (not the new one)
relevant reddit post
slim nymph
im glad i didnt buy an elite controller, i as i expect theyll be updating it for XSX style
mighty storm
not enough circles
spiral sparrow
i read that XD
mighty storm
at least apple does number then nonsense
iphone 12, iphone 12x, ihpone 12 xppror mansndss
for iphones anwyay
yessir
finally gay
stiff yarrow
I'd get the next xbox if I see some solid exclusives, haven't looked at the ones announced too closely yet
slim nymph
well if you get xbox, think of the money saving on a bunch of games you dont even have to buy w/ game pass 😉
and its effectively 20$/mo if you use the financing method
ima prob go w/ that
stiff yarrow
tbh I play games at a slow pace so I don't even know if I'd save money, I usually do 1 hour a day
slim nymph
well most games can be beat ina weekend, so that gives you 2 weeks to beat it
but games stay on GP for a good while
and MS+EA games will be permanent
true canyon
Why spend 500 on a PS5 when I could spend 500 on a 3070 that will last me longer? 😄
slim nymph
@true canyon then you want to replace it in 3years
stiff yarrow
it takes me forever to beat a game
mighty storm
mbax :3
true canyon
Nah, this will last me probably 5-7 years. 🙂
stiff yarrow
I've been playing RDR2 for probably 2 months or more
and I think Imn less than halfway
slim nymph
what chapter?
zealous wedge
@mighty storm uwu
mighty storm
uh oh
slim nymph
and are you going for 100% or just story
mighty storm
hi zml :3
stiff yarrow
my camp just moved to shady belle, almost all missions in st denis atm
left swift
Chapter now
stiff yarrow
I do all the side quests I see, and I hunt every X missions for relaxing times
I am not trying to craft all the things or collect all the things
honestly no clue how deep into the story I am
void void
stiff yarrow
I find RDR2 to be a super chill game, I spend a lot of time just enjoying the atmosphere and doing random stuff
right now my policy is to only play 1 game at a time or else I'd never beat anything (main campaign wise)
slim nymph
your a bit past half way, but how fast you progress really all depends on how much focus on main story vs side content you do
but you got at least a good 20-40 hours to go id say (varying on side content)
stiff yarrow
I tend to do all the side content, just not the collecting stuff, and I don't get too deep into the crafting stuff
slim nymph
yeah then your gonna be on the higher end of that
stiff yarrow
I don't really bother with treasure maps since they seem pretty time consuming
slim nymph
i did most side quest but i didnt finish some and im sure i missed a ton too
well lets say maps are the best way to make money lol
stiff yarrow
the amount of content in this game is incredible
slim nymph
one map gives you 2k
latent valve
@worn ember dota?
stiff yarrow
like when I go back to valentine and there's a quest there and I'm well past valentine story wise
latent valve
worn ember
looks like it'll be over soon
slim nymph
did you do the gunslinger photographer quest
worn ember
losing to pos 1 timber
latent valve
stiff yarrow
doesn't sound familiar, I did a photo quest for a wildlife guy
oh wait yes I remember that one now
the duels
yeah I did that one
slim nymph
back in ch2 there was a guy in the 2nd valentine saloon (Wtf at having TWO bars lol), who was doing a biography for a gunslinger. i dunno how you get the quest if you didnt start it in ch2
stiff yarrow
I haven't really gone back to the guy who gave me the quest or had any conclusion to it yet, but I went and met all the gunslingers
slim nymph
ah ok, well you can finish it in ch4 now. just gotta go back to that bar and talk to keep and hell set you to next steps
true canyon
@worn ember with a pos5 slark to hold in place for timber ult?
stiff yarrow
dope
worn ember
gyro doesnt even use flak cannon to farm
and lets my 3 ancient stack go to enemy team
cuz he's big dum
stiff yarrow
dota is a black hole of time
slim nymph
sadly they dont give you any clues on when you can finish that quest, part of the "youll figure it out if you think to revisit valentine and just decide to go back into that 2nd saloon"
i had to look it up
stiff yarrow
worn ember
idk what ur talking about
stiff yarrow
my working memory right now is bad so I forget half the stuff I am supposed to do
I'm coming off an SSRI and one of the side effects for withdrawal is poor memory apparently
potent fossil
how do yall play games for that long
slim nymph
years simple
potent fossil
i get bored
worn ember
not buying trash ones
twin lagoon
simple how's dbh
potent fossil
havent played more yet
twin lagoon
slim nymph
ark is such a commitment game theres plenty to do
twin lagoon
pretty sure my most played game is euro truck simulator 2 and that's just 300 hours
stiff yarrow
this probably says a lot about the type of player I am
slim nymph
i dont even know what my steam profile says for me, my brother uses it and he put in a ton of ark hours lol
stiff yarrow
I haven't played Dota in like 3 years
latent valve
ahh atleast u didnt say hell no xD
latent valve
stiff yarrow
rat dota was my fav thing
I got really good at Zeus studying some random merlini vods, I got like 70% WR on him, he was like free wins
worn ember
god i'd hate you so much
stiff yarrow
yeah I can see that
stiff yarrow
there's all sorts of small things you can do with techies that is pretty OP
don't know about current meta
but back then he was great
worn ember
well rip
stiff yarrow
my IRL friend was a hero spammer
latent valve
hollyshit
worn ember
lost all my matches today
stiff yarrow
if you lose all games problem is you 
worn ember
i mean, not like i can do much solo against a timber in lane as enigma lmao
grand pewter
private server hm
left swift
U spoiler all ur images?
stiff yarrow
I got no comment on current meta
latent valve
nope
stiff yarrow
what mmr are you playing at
latent valve
shhh it just a number that doesnt say anything
stiff yarrow
oof
latent valve
2.3k
worn ember
not saying it isnt lol
latent valve
i even have a team mate that was divine n ancient that was pepega lol
worn ember
im well aware i'm trash
stiff yarrow
dota takes a long time to get good at
left swift
We still care about you anyways ded no matter how bad you are at dead games
stiff yarrow
carry heros won't get you wins unless you are really good
worn ember
"dead game" yeah only the biggest esports game 
stiff yarrow
dota is mostly won by decisions is what I found
when to lane
when to jungle
being good in lane is a skill but its not the biggest deciding factor of winning a pub game
worn ember
your team dragging you into fights you dont really want to take also impact it alot
stiff yarrow
you choosing to do the fights is the mistake
you have to be sure of your own decisions
stiff yarrow
when I play carry I completely ignore my team and try to have awareness of when I should fight
I don't participate with the team until its good for me to do so
carry is one of the hardest roles to play well so theres a million things to talk about on that subject
latent valve
Senpai noossr
worn ember
what mmr were you?
stiff yarrow
4500 when I quit, but I got to 5100 at peak
stiff yarrow
if I played just mid and carry heros I'm probably 5k+ when I last played, but I often made the mistake of playing support (which I didn't know how to play that well) in ranked games
worn ember
now you got role queue
static badge
what's the top 1% threshold for mmr
worn ember
1% is like 5k i think
stiff yarrow
only official data we have is outdated
its probably still near those numbers though if I had to guess
I doubt that 1% of the player base is 5k or higher
the best way to get better at dota at your level is probably to gain a better understanding of when to fight, when to push, when to farm, when to sac a lane, etc, its hard to get a good understanding for those but that's one of the key things, you can start by forgetting your team exists, I literally mute every single team member when I joined games so I didn't have anything they were saying accidentally peer pressuring me into dumb stuff
static badge
that's very nicu advice
a big pitfall for being stuck at a rank is to think ur teammates matter
they obviously matter in the very short term (current game) but not at all over the long term
stiff yarrow
your team doesn't really matter in dota until very high mmr avg across all players, you have the biggest impact on your ability to win out of anyone in the match
don't pick heros that need your team to matter
cosmic raft
stiff yarrow
oof that comment
I enjoy playing card games more these days, it scratches that competitive urge and has elo/mmr
zealous wedge
necrobumps send emails to people watching the issue/repo
limpid comet
ive been switching from go to python to java for the past 2 days
and its really messing with me
i keep trying to do if (something):
which makes no sense
earnest rampart
yes
and then you want to print something so you want to type print(thing)
but no, "System.out.println()"
novel horizon
but it's not 500 gb
it's unlimited
but after 500 gb your speed is lower, so
it kinda is still unlimited
left swift
Taking ur internet anger out on a random smh
worn ember
yes
left swift
Just get better internet 
earnest rampart
hol up lemme check my speed
worn ember
they also promise speeds of "50mbps" what i get is 3-4mbps
👏
great isp
when it isnt throttled that is
novel horizon
I have 100/100, which is fine for me
left swift
Just email ded some download
mighty storm
i mean fast download only applies if the site has fast upload
worn ember
so when i fill in all the stuff i'd do with the internet my estimated usage is 1300gb/m and they still recommend that package...
mighty storm
and unless it's like google/aws, unlikely
worn ember
which they throttle after 500gb thats just scummy
left swift
They gotta make all the money off you
nocturne falcon
senate, is that on a college campus?
worn ember
i did use like 400gb tho
earnest rampart
nah it's my house
nocturne falcon
dayum bro. i only get those speeds or high when im at school
worn ember
@potent fossil i blame you for this
novel horizon
it counts upload too though
next wind
I have great download speeds (200+) but only like 5 Mbps upload
worn ember
takes forever to upload anything
novel horizon
I was uploading a lot of things, kinda
Streaming on Discord takes some GBs too
was like 250 GB a week ago
worn ember
discord uses like a gb for me lol
grand pewter
was that meant to be an announcement
mighty storm
consdering 
in #announcements
next wind
Lol
grand pewter
yap
slim nymph
after i sent it i was like yeah this should be an announcement lol
grand pewter
i signed up for the forums ages ago but my account hasnt gotten approved i think
unless there isnt an email
slim nymph
should be unless you gto rejected, i saw some got approved few days ago
grand pewter
oh hooray i got approved
slim nymph
no pending things to review
viral hornet
congrats on your approval pop 
grand pewter
actually i think it might have just been this post but because it was my first post on the forum it got flagged as sketchy https://papermc.io/forums/t/tnt-duper-s-not-working/4056/6?u=pop4959
lol
limber knotBOT
website forum drop down is broken btw
slim nymph
? what browser
limber knotBOT
hm, might be one of my addons. sec
grand pewter
oh wow theres a plugins section on the paper forum
novel horizon
Well, I find it a little bit sad that the tnt-duping couldn't be enabled without enabling other things too
limber knotBOT
uBo is blocking it, gg
slim nymph
@novel horizon ive been told that rail duping ended up being broken anyways?
even with the config on
novel horizon
Not sure, I wasn't using that, carpet was working some time ago, but I'm not looking at it that carefully
slim nymph
rail duping relied on the exact same exploit, but supposively other changes broke rail duping
novel horizon
Tnt duping si kinda.. semi ok, it depends, but people will find ways that I hate anyway
slim nymph
ah rail/carpet btoh yeah, but the rail was specific to rail
so yeah carpet should still be dupeable if tnt config is on
slim nymph
sadly, its the same bug, so cant prevent carpet without preventing tnt
novel horizon
Really? Weird
I think that the carpet bug stopped working some time ago, tnt worked though
slim nymph
they both relied on same buggy piston mechanic
worn ember
lol my course changed web dev to "full stack development" which is literally .NET
very full stack
novel horizon
I'll try that later 🤔
limber knotBOT
yeah, no idea which part of the dropdown triggers uBo but it's getting treated as an ad lol
limber knotBOT
js is enabled
upper flicker
go through your filter lists then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
PR's welcome to make it fully CSS driven 😛
upper flicker
desperately
slim nymph
though im thinking we change up the menu anyways and not need a drop down and make them all first class links
upper flicker
have to switch to icons or mess with the padding or something
slim nymph
though the community page starts to reduce value then
upper flicker
otherwise youll end up forcing the mobile view on screens that arent very small
slim nymph
i reduced to 8x margin and it looked fine still
limber knotBOT
wtf, disabling and enabling filter lists made it work 👀
upper flicker
or introducing another element to hide them
slim nymph
wtf is the method this forum discord pushes out at
its not instant
but it went mine out when i did a test message onanother
so i figured must be queued
limber knotBOT
I hate that you can't get back to the main page from the forum
grand pewter
probably web hook or something?
slim nymph
it worked when i "tested" the channel, but so far hasnt pushed a response chew just did over 5 mins ago
grand pewter
is paper forum always dark mode
slim nymph
is there suppose to be another version of dark mode? light mode doesnt exists
grand pewter
no just wondering cause most sites dont have that as the default so i wondered if i had changed it
novel horizon
There's no default, it's the only mode 🤷
grand pewter
im going to make a post so i want it to look good on both themes if there are both
👍
slim nymph
theres apparently a discord dark theme
for the forums
but yeyah trying to support dark and light is super annoying for ensuring your post is good on both, we got rid of light theme on my forums
grand pewter
that makes sense
slim nymph
@cosmic raft since you know this forum better, can you get the sub team roles setup on forums.
oh i see where now
grand pewter
i think i broke the forum
zealous wedge
🦀
mighty storm
.forum
slim nymph
why?
mighty storm
I need a link
slim nymph
its in announcements lol
grand pewter
i was about to make a topic and then i closed the tab but now it won't let me create a topic
slim nymph
or just go to the website
mighty storm
ah yes big brain, also in #welcome
Mobile chew is a lot different
FIRST PARTY mobile client by the way
For anyone who's wondering
novel horizon
what do you mean by "won't let me", were you logged out by something or 🤔
zealous wedge
sure
novel horizon
Isn't there some things that block you from spamming topics?
zealous wedge
how many chew are there lol
novel horizon
Isn't it still somewhere open as concept? 🤔
mighty storm
Desktop chew, mobile chew, banned chew, ah chew (bless you), irc chew, Memerator staff member chew, irl chew
grand pewter
i have no clue i havent used this forum software before
mighty storm
my life is full of cons 😔
novel horizon
Works for me 🤔
grand pewter
oh ok it unlocked now for me
prob like a 5 minute cooldown, but on pressing the button instead of actually making a topic
which is really weird
novel horizon
I don't have it
slim nymph
itll prob reduce as trust level grows
grand pewter
i got promoted to basic a few minutes ago so yeah maybe thats why
novel horizon
Maybe, I don't have much posts or anything though 🤔
grand pewter
weird UX though
serene bolt
weird UX though
welcome to discourse :P
mighty storm
idk my rank lol
novel horizon
Wait, there's a light theme for PaperMC forum 😮
mighty storm
oh no
novel horizon
I thought there's none
serene bolt
there's actually multiple themes on the paper forums
mighty storm
and they arent pay to win!
novel horizon
Yeah, I know, saw them ^^
But though it's only a dark themes
Not like it's bad or it matters that much
serene bolt
there's a light mode too
novel horizon
Oh I was promoted up ❤️
upper flicker
and they arent pay to win!
give us time
slim nymph
discourse is different but if you give it an open embrace, its not bad. just accept it doesnt have to be a clone of everything for past 20 years to get same job done
novel horizon
I saw that too
Although the CPU is kinda weak 👀 or it seems at least
But it boosts.. quite high for that kind of cpu, so it seems alright, but 19.4 TPS, well
But if I have >20 TPS now I'm looking why most of the time
grand pewter
20.01 tps isnt abnormal
novel horizon
Actually, one of the plugins show over 20 TPS too
grand pewter
i get that quite often
novel horizon
I had like 21 TPS or so with some plugin that shows TPS (for players)
grand pewter
its usually a display averaging situation with tps catch-up
worn ember
oh boy
slim nymph
lol at discourses "tone"
mighty storm
lmao
https://twitter.com/ChewCraft/status/933117360189341696?s=20 wtf was 2017 chew
novel horizon
slim nymph
one of the most important forum threads https://papermc.io/forums/t/25
mighty storm
best channel
slim nymph
!ban
hidden boneBOT
^^^^^^^^
member is a required argument that is missing.```carl lol...
novel horizon
I thought so
mighty storm
carl almost killed a man back in 2020
novel horizon
Had something similar only 🤔
mighty storm
yeahh boy
novel horizon
Same ❤️
mighty storm
thank u
slim nymph
@upper flicker is there some cron task that isnt running
upper flicker
Not that they documented
mighty storm
maybe it was flagged
upper flicker
It’s all in it’s own container hell
slim nymph
sending test msg didnt send the other hmm
limber knotBOT
👀
novel horizon
lol
slim nymph
?ban @void void spam/advertising
leaden oxideBOT
alamsyah#8789 was banned | spam/advertising
mighty storm
?ban 687332586586112046 1d spam/ads
leaden oxideBOT
alamsyah#8789 was banned | spam/ads
mighty storm
so it removes messages
novel horizon
he just wanted us to have free things 😦
slim nymph
oh thats not a time limit but just msg removal?
mighty storm
?help ban
leaden oxideBOT
mighty storm
then how do you ban and remove messages
slim nymph
prob diff command
mighty storm
?bananddeletemessagestooyoudumbbot 687332586586112046
ezpz
gotta start using ! instead
what game
novel horizon
Watch Dogs 2
mighty storm
there's a 2?
novel horizon
I'm spying on some guy trying to make fun of him, because.. he was an asshole
Uhm, yeah?
mighty storm
oh i need to cash in my paychecks ugh
novel horizon
For quite some time
I played it before, but you could get it for cheap in some sales
I got the whole game with like 7 DLCs or so for 15€
novel horizon
at least the game is kinda fun
mighty storm
7/30 was last check deposits oop
4 behind 
ok, found 2
well poop, wheer's the 3rd
next wind
watch dogs was bad enough lol
woah what
30 messages just appeared after i sent that
discords broke
mighty storm
yeah and some dude keeps deleting his messages
potent fossil
here's a novel idea
slim nymph
whoa its working now
potent fossil
if they tend to be nsfw. dont send them at all?
mighty storm
foreve on irc
potent fossil
slim nymph
wonder if its becausse i moved it to 0 second delay
novel horizon
It wasn't that much nsfw 🤔 but still, was just in the time of conversation
mighty storm
would love to know where my 2nd of 4 paychecks are lol
potent fossil
immediately sue them for nonpayment @mighty storm
slim nymph
PRIVMSG #channel :HELLO WORLD
mighty storm
i think it's on me for losing it lol
worn ember
.................
potent fossil
oh i thought you meant it was literally not given to you
i direct deposit and just keep my stubs
¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
i get everything paid on my card
potent fossil
that's what direct deposit is
slim nymph
those cards are such a scam
potent fossil
you tell employer your routing + acct number and they just bloop it into ur account
slim nymph
"want to check your balance? GIMMIE 20 DOLLAS"
mighty storm
we dont have direct deposit
worn ember
wat
potent fossil
sounds like a shitty company then
worn ember
^^
potent fossil
direct deposit isn't something you "have"...it just requires accounting to do it
mighty storm
it's some local bowling aley what do you expect, walmart or some shit lmao
potent fossil
instead of printing a check they wire
worn ember
we only need to pay a few euro every year
potent fossil
you dont need to be a big company lol.
slim nymph
yeah companys got to be big enough to do it
potent fossil
but ok
mighty storm
whatever software we use has it
but they either didnt enable it or arent on that tier or w/e
potent fossil
well rip for you i guess
mighty storm
i have mobile deposit which is good enough
so idc
earliest paycheck i have is from july 31st
that i havent done anything with
worn ember
mighty storm
fake, only 17
potent fossil
yea we spent like 2 weeks on graph sketching, finding critical points, concavity, etc then never used it again
"just go to desmos, copy the picture, then do the problem ok"
fallen oracle
They just want you to understand where it's coming from to start.
potent fossil
yea its good
potent fossil
fallen oracle
You just leave money around and don't put it in the bank right away?
mighty storm
nah, that's too smart
north shadow
how do i get a 1.16.2 jar?
mighty storm
as if we have another choice? ok sir
novel horizon
Nevenit you download it from website
slim nymph
"using bank in 2020" whats this comment supposed to mean
novel horizon
a lame joke, what else
potent fossil
kids, aikar
slim nymph
i dont even see how you thought it was a joke even lol
novel horizon
exactly, kids
slim nymph
can someone please explain to me what was "omg epic" about the ps stream today? I just saw games, price confirmation and time? where is the "omg thats gonna kill xbox"?
next wind
there was a ps stream today?
novel horizon
I didn't knew either
slim nymph
the big announcemnt lol
next wind
probably a bad time because oculus did their event today too
mighty storm
wasnt wholesome big chungus 100 keanu reeves enough for me tbh, gonna have to downvote
next wind
facebook*
slim nymph
you think people care about oculus more than ps?
novel horizon
oculus with facebook, eww
slim nymph
the only thing that was "surprising" even though it was already expected was the 400 price tag on Digital. 500 for main was already guaranteed.
novel horizon
also Aikar, it's a kinda weird thing that you use "using this mainstream thing" as a weird funny joke, but whatever 🤷 it's a joke because of course everyone uses the thing
next wind
any cool games announced?
novel horizon
I'm probably liking Xbox more
I don't have any of them, but the games on Xbox Game Pass are nice
slim nymph
yeah so far xbox has superior hardware
novel horizon
and the good thing is you can use it on PC too, so
slim nymph
and superior ecosystem
slim nymph
ps just has "user preferred games"
next wind
xbox is better this generation easily
slim nymph
if you like those games, sure, i can see getting a ps
novel horizon
you pay them monthly to play online games or whatever and you gain "free" games that you can play only if you pay them monthly
next wind
although neither looks that great
i would probably buy a used xbox one if my pc just blew up or something
novel horizon
well, there's like hundreds of games, you can surely find something good.. And EA adds their games there too, so
That's like another 70 games or so
With PS, you .. well, they "assign" the games to your account, but if you don't pay the PS Plus or what that is, you can't play them
slim nymph
well xbox has that too
novel horizon
With Xbox Game Pass, you pay once and boom.. can play any of the games they offer, kinda nice
spiral sparrow
How do i know if i’m ready to contribute to projects
novel horizon
If you need to ask, you aren't ready, easy
potent fossil
That's a bad answer
novel horizon
Nah, but.. idk, what do you want to contribute?
mighty storm
why is it called gross pay when the gross part comes between it and net
spiral zinc
xbox is better this generation easily
@next wind people keep saying this
but tell me how
slim nymph
better hardware in like every way?
mighty storm
tell me how, aint nothing but a heartache
next wind
better games imo
spiral zinc
what games are better
slim nymph
well the cheaper one def goes into alternate discussion
warm anchor
The roi is a lot better
next wind
halo
slim nymph
most games are on both platforms
warm anchor
too good for the people who can’t afford a gaming PC
next wind
they have the same games
potent fossil
@spiral sparrow you dont know. you just go do it, and learn from the comments people leave along the way. go on Gh, find a project that has a good first issue tagged issue and claim it, then work on it. People will review your work and leave comments, you fix it, and you learn from the experience. Eventually you can work other issues. Recommended to join their discord/IRC servers to chat better instead of solely thru GH issues
next wind
in quality
stiff yarrow
what games look worth it on xbox series x, asking because I genuinely don't know
slim nymph
"no games" = has almost same games... seriously. most games are on both. just only certain sets are exclusives
novel horizon
PS5 may have it better in some ways, but still
We'll see for sure later when it's available
next wind
id rather pay more than 100 dollars less and have slightly worse games (not imo, but whatever)
stiff yarrow
that's pretty odd
spiral zinc
at first you said they were slightly better
then they were the same
now they’re slightly worse
next wind
i personally like xbox games betterr
next wind
no i was saying from your point of view in a way
spiral zinc
if you like xbox games better just buy an xbox
novel horizon
lol, that's what's we're talking about, just discussion
there may be people that want the Xbox for a cheap price
next wind
i wouldnt buy either though if i had to, i would buy a used xbox one
spiral zinc
they can buy the xbox then
novel horizon
or maybe even with the 2 years plan which includes xbox game pass
stiff yarrow
tbh I'd just get both if they both have good exclusives, with that said someone point me to the exclusives that look promising for xbox series x so I can become better informed
spiral zinc
nobody’s fighting them on buying an xbox
novel horizon
we're not either
spiral zinc
i’m just saying the war is already won
next wind
lmao spotify on xbox
novel horizon
for some people, others don't care
next wind
do people actually use that
mighty storm
always been a war started (and usually lost) by ps fans...
dont start wars you arent prepared to fight in
novel horizon
idc about both kinda, just saying that the PS system seems weird to me, the store
and I find Xbox nice that it has available games from start
spiral zinc
what’s weird about the store