2 of those games are older than me come on
#general
humble falcon
stiff yarrow
Nintendo charges so much for games
spiral zinc
i’ve been t500 for the past few seasons, there’s hardly ever in the higher ranks because people usually just mass report cheaters while they’re in diamond or etc
and they get banned before they can climb any higher
mighty storm
didnt sunshine come out in 2002?
stiff yarrow
Shit the joycon is 80 effing dollars
spiral zinc
people intentionally throw games to stop them
humble falcon
2001 i think
green turret
Unix please take it seriously if you get any pain. I wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy. Except my upstairs neighbor. Fuck him.
wide chasm
It's GC, so probably somewhere there
humble falcon
either way old enough to drink
wide chasm
Joy-Cons are extremely expensive, it's absurd
spiral zinc
when i smurf(ed) in diamond there was literally a cheater every other game
quasi valley
mule, if your upstairs neighbour ever moves out, please tell us
wide chasm
I mean, I'm used to the game price by now, but those Joy-Cons
spiral zinc
whether it was subliminal or rage hacking
quasi valley
so we can celebrate with you
humble falcon
I bought a switch last month and youtube's like "100 reasons why nintendo sucks"
upper stump
stop smurfing dammit
stiff yarrow
Buying a switch game is always like : *oof there goes 60 usd on literally any title *
green turret
If he moves out I will live stream it
humble falcon
Imagine living in a country where you have to be 21 to drink
mighty storm
usually it's like $10 cheaper in stores
quasi valley
lol
upper stump
@humble falcon in public*
quasi valley
it's like dollar 10 cheaper
wide chasm
Only game I got for less is Celeste, which was 6 euro or something on sale. Normally 20.
wide chasm
I've got 182 berries 🙂
humble falcon
if i tried to buy odyssey in an actual store i'd get it MUCH more expensive
stiff yarrow
My joycon got drift and it was fucking 80 dollars to replace 🧂
With that said switch is great
spiral zinc
I think odyssey might have been the only game I completed on switch
mighty storm
my joycons dont even detach 😎
humble falcon
I paid 630$ for my switch because it was the least expensive option
spiral zinc
I hate framerate locks but especially on such a small screen
mighty storm
$630*
wide chasm
You can replace the stick for relatively cheap though
quasi valley
dollar 630
spiral zinc
cause I’ve only ever owned the undockable versions
mighty storm
ikr, thats why i fixed it
quasi valley
no, now it is
wide chasm
Also, the screws they used in the Joy-Cons are of such a low quality, these things strip on the lightest touch I swear
humble falcon
lite version sucks i'd rather put more money on top of that price and buy a PS4 pro
stiff yarrow
I’m not about to do my own repairs when I can just go to target and get a new one without having to do a bunch of nerd stuff
quasi valley
I'll just always use $ instead of € but keep writing it after the number lol
stiff yarrow
quasi valley
just to mess with you chew >:)
wide chasm
I mean, if you want to spend 80 dollars on replacing it vs, 15 dollars or so fixing it
humble falcon
i could put like 100$ on top of the price i paid for switch, and get a ps4 pro bundle with 5 games
quasi valley
or no I won't, as long as you don't use the forbidden word at least
mighty storm
I mean it's $100 and 100€ in the same way it's $1.00 and 0,10€
upper stump
humble falcon
omfg yes gow2 teaser i ccan't play it but i want it anyway
upper stump
thats.... new...
stiff yarrow
Spending 80 doesn’t hurt anything but my principals
mighty storm
i would never
stiff yarrow
I’m just salty Nintendo would charge that
humble falcon
i played up to GOW:A i still have my PS3
wide chasm
Same
I haven't needed to replace any yet though, so I'm holding out hope I got a magic model that will work until the end of time
stiff yarrow
I thought I dodged joycon drift but 220 hours of dragon quest 11 did it in
humble falcon
my ps3 controller broke so i got some ps4 controllers cuz they were advertised as backwards comptabile
wide chasm
Oof
mighty storm
damn the fitness thing looks good, i dont need it i need the opposite of fitness
humble falcon
little did i know it was the shittiest BC to date
wide chasm
Hopefully Dragon Quest XI is worth the new Joy-Con though 🙂
stiff yarrow
Dq11 was godly
humble falcon
honestly if my joycon goes broke i'll literally just use joycontrol and a PS4 controller
stiff yarrow
I did all the optional shit even the super bosses
wide chasm
By the 220 hours I'm guessing it has way too much optional stuff? 🙂
humble falcon
I already have joycontrol set up for totally legit reasons and it's in python so
slim nymph
well ill prob be wfh permanently now lol. office is moving into a smaller office next year and moving to a rotational setup. sharing desk would just be weird, but im 30-40 mins away from office....
stiff yarrow
I think I cleared act 3 around 110 hours in and act 3 is considered a post game
The super bosses added another 100 hours
slim nymph
unless they just give devs dedicated desks
stiff yarrow
That’s how I remember it I could be remembering wrong
slim nymph
since our setups are different
mighty storm
your setups are just built different
wide chasm
That's quite long, although I'm guessing you 100%-ed it now?
waxen panther
DQ11 is amazing
humble falcon
i never heard of dq
stiff yarrow
I basically 99%’d it there’s a few optional quests I skipped that are literally not worth doing and would take me all of 10 minutes
waxen panther
I 100%'d the base game in 14 hours, still haven't finished the switch verison yet thogh
wide chasm
Ah I see.
mighty storm
so why not do them? wouldnt it feel nice to get that cool 100%
magic river
TSMC has officially passed Intel, Apple is shipping 5nm chips now
waxen panther
only bought the switch version so i could marry someone other than the boring firstr came
wide chasm
Have you 100%-ed BotW, though?
mighty storm
oh, sorry, %100, kneny
waxen panther
ipad
magic river
TSMC 7nm ~= Intel 10nm so they were kind of tied before (although TSMC seems to have a more capable/mature node)
stiff yarrow
Nah I got bored of botw after 2 dungeons but that’s probably because I was ocd and exploring every corner of the map
magic river
iPad Air
stiff yarrow
But it’s an amazing game
magic river
MBP or MBA is coming later this year still, supposedly
wide chasm
Which dungeons have you done?
humble falcon
only switch game i have is super mario odyssey because e-shop doesn't do regional pricing
mighty storm
what is ~=
stiff yarrow
The water one and one other one
waxen panther
roughly equal
wide chasm
If you haven't done the Gerudo one, that one is way better than the others imo
stiff yarrow
It’s been like a year since I played it
humble falcon
and few free ones obviously
mighty storm
ohh
humble falcon
i was gonna buy rocket league but today they announced it was gonna be free lmao
mighty storm
like how =/= is ≠
next wind
i was gonna buy rocket league but today they announced it was free lmao
@humble falcon woah really? nice
cedar spade
They announced that months back but sure
stiff yarrow
Botw 2 soon pls
humble falcon
wait what
waxen panther
it's BotW 0 😉
wide chasm
Oh god please
magic river
Yeah it's supposed to be ≈ but forget figuring out how to type that every time
trim depot
hey!
stiff yarrow
Wasn’t botw 0 just some dynasty warriors spin off
wide chasm
They did recently say that development is still going good or something, so that's nice
trim depot
wide chasm
Hyrule Warriors, yeah
stiff yarrow
Not interested tbh
magic river
botw 0 is a DLC to a dynasty warriors reskin
cedar spade
Also PC version is moving to Epic so fuck anyone who uses macOS/Linux and didn't buy it on Steam before it was pulled I guess
humble falcon
idc about zelda gimme SMO2
wide chasm
It looks better than the previous one at least
stiff yarrow
Dynasty warrior games are not my thing
humble falcon
they announced 2 big zelda games but no mario
mighty storm
sad it doesnt have smg2
magic river
Dynasty Warriors games can be fun for brief periods, you basically start in god mode and just mow things down
humble falcon
overpriced worse than homebrew emulation
stiff yarrow
My next game to beat is gonna be persona 5 festival golden royal whatever they named it, I love me some persona
slim nymph
@cedar spade what moved to epic? rocket league?
mighty storm
Rory is in the closet again
cedar spade
3D All-Stars?
stefvanschie: hahaha what a funny joke oh wait Nintendo already has my money
magic river
Rocket League is owned by Epic, no?
slim nymph
i just started Witcher 3, im liking it so far
cedar spade
@slim nymph yes
wide chasm
Currently going through Fire Emblem: Three Houses
stiff yarrow
Witcher 3 is amazing
magic river
Also I've got 3D All-Stars on preorder
humble falcon
It being limited time sucks
wide chasm
Forty hours in still at Part 1 🙂
stiff yarrow
Say goodbye to 1-3 months of your life aikar
slim nymph
i feel like its gonna spoil season 2 for me 😛
wide chasm
Limited time is stupid
humble falcon
they might release each for 20 tho
cedar spade
Amaranth: since June last year, yes
magic river
Witcher games have nothing to do with the books
stiff yarrow
Witcher 3 is not book canon so it’s not really related to the show, with that said the show isn’t super true to the books either
void void
TSMC 7nm ~= Intel 10nm so they were kind of tied before (although TSMC seems to have a more capable/mature node)
@magic river I thought I remembered seeing some analysis that intel 10 and tsmc 7 weren't all that well tied
magic river
They're kind of set after the books but do a lot of weird things
slim nymph
@stiff yarrow im not a "100%er", i just wanna do story and side missions as it goes, but dont go out for EVERYTHING
void void
and tsmc 7 was still a fair bit ahead of intel 10 at least for overall density
wide chasm
looks at 270 hours in BotW
cedar spade
They scrapped the native macOS/Linux Steam versions right after the acquisition but it still works under Proton afaik
humble falcon
should i get botw
slim nymph
i just finished RDR2 got prob 80%?
magic river
Density of SRAM isn't a good measure but TSMC did seem to have a decent advantage there
stiff yarrow
I was a 100%er for everything except getting all the treasures in skellige
I’m playing rdr2 now
It’s great
wide chasm
BotW is good, would recommend sbeve
slim nymph
yeah such a great game, i wanna do rdr1 now
humble falcon
don't have anything i can play rdr2 reeeeeeee
magic river
I couldn't bring myself to finish RDR2
humble falcon
k ty stefvan
slim nymph
O.o why?
cedar spade
also, "wait you guys play games? I only just played GTA V"
magic river
It's just the same story told 5 times in different settings
wide chasm
I still do 100%, only Switch game I've failed that for currently is Celeste.
stiff yarrow
Rdr1 wasn’t as good, I don’t really remember it much
slim nymph
eh not really at all
stiff yarrow
Rdr2 is on another level
wide chasm
But I've poured 160 hours into Celeste, good enough for me
humble falcon
I finished watch dogs 15 fps with 800x600 resolution and nvidia's like the new 3090
magic river
And running around hunting and robbing supply wagons isn't fun
stiff yarrow
Shut your mouth
slim nymph
you dont really gotta do that outside missions lol
stiff yarrow
Hunting is so relaxing
humble falcon
mmm i'm sniffing a circlejerk
stiff yarrow
It’s my favorite pass time
spiral zinc
I finished watch dogs 15 fps with 800x600 resolution and nvidia's like the new 3090
@humble falcon nvidia cards are launching soon, it'll be ok
and if the prices don't look good enough for you, AMD is at least announcing something new v soon
magic river
No but the missions are a loop of the same shit happening over and over and I want my character to just fucking murder half the camp and GTFO
humble falcon
rip 2080ti owners tho
humble falcon
bro best hardware i have is a macbook air
slim nymph
treasure maps the best way to get money but i didnt even do them
stiff yarrow
That’s kind of true of rockstar games tho, I play it for story and atmosphere
humble falcon
it doesn't even support eGPU
magic river
So I just stopped playing because the missions were frustrating and the side content is tedious
slim nymph
i had enough from 1 of the missions rewards
stiff yarrow
I am an honorable cowboy who releases fish after catching them and pets dogs
wide chasm
lol
stiff yarrow
😊
slim nymph
lol, i may of petted a lot of dogs and said hello to a ton of people to "make up" for murdering lots of people and doing bad things.....
magic river
BOTW is basically my perfect game that isn't a 2D platformer 😛
slim nymph
it was like "shit sorry didnt mean to kill and loot you innocent man, let me go say hello 10 times as payment"
stiff yarrow
Yeah same
stiff yarrow
I accidentally fired my gun a lot early game getting used to the controls
slim nymph
i ended game with perfect honor with a very uh shady start
humble falcon
MM?
wide chasm
Majora's Mask
magic river
Open world games usually get tedious and I just start slamming out the missions to get them over with but I couldn't do that with RDR2 because the missions made me hate it more
stiff yarrow
When I found out you can shoot guns out of peoples hands I was like 
slim nymph
you really feel the "redemption" part in RDr2
magic river
BOTW never really got tedious, I always wanted to explore more
wide chasm
It only got tedious for me when I wanted to get all 900 korok seeds
stiff yarrow
Sounds like you forced yourself to play a game you didn’t like, I was in love with rdr2 atmosphere once you get out of that stupid fucking snow tutorial
wide chasm
Cause my god, that's a lot of korok seeds
magic river
Ok, yeah, fuck the korok seeds
wide chasm
Thank you
stiff yarrow
I personally find rdr2 hella relaxing
magic river
You only need like 300 to max out your inventory, after that it's just for a golden poo and OCD
stiff yarrow
I just walk through towns slowly doing random stuff in between missions
Hunting deer and shit
wide chasm
Even those 300 are way too many imo
magic river
I did them as I came across them which was a lot of them due to wanting to explore
slim nymph
yeah i kinda wanna play online to do the hunting stuff
magic river
But I didn't try to find them, really
wide chasm
I only tried to find them when I did everything else.
slim nymph
online isnt great but least there it feels more of a reward for progression
stiff yarrow
I got like 100 something seeds thinking I was doing well then someone in here told me there were 900 and I was like how the fuck did I miss 800
wide chasm
Actually I didn't do everything else, cause apparently getting all map locations on your map counts towards 100% and then I mean every small piece of text.
magic river
I thought online was going to save the game for me then I got on there and realized online is just the tedious open world bits but with other people
stiff yarrow
I don’t really like online games outside of competitive ladder climbing stuff
magic river
GTAO works because driving around the city causing mayhem is fun and doing it with other people is even better
wide chasm
Got ~270 normally, everything else was with a guide.
slim nymph
the end of rdr2 is great (not gonna say any spoilers) but its hard to play the sP anymore than that, rather just do MP and do stuff with others
humble falcon
just don't play on PC and GTAO is actually pretty good
slim nymph
plus seems like MP has some additional story to it
stiff yarrow
I’m probably going to replay rdr2 on ps5
potent fossil
whats wrong with gtao on pc
magic river
Most of my GTAO is doing race playlists with people though, not even cruising the city
Cheaters
slim nymph
my nephew replayed it for my mom, shes watching him as it was a movie
potent fossil
i mean im there to fuck shit up anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
they really should make an rdr2 movie, this would fit perfectly as a movie
humble falcon
it not only takes 99999 to just load into the open world, it's filled with hackers and don't even get me started on getting into a deathmatch lol
slim nymph
let the non gamers experience it
humble falcon
on my ps3 it's still silky smooth
wide chasm
If they actually know what they're doing with the movie, otherwise you get another 3/10 movie 🙂
humble falcon
and (mostly) no hackers cuz ( mostly ) no children are playing on it
magic river
Yeah but assholes will do things like headshot every player on an instance at once or put your character in some weird state that requires you to leave and rejoin or you can't enter/get out of cars
humble falcon
also imagine still doing p2p in 2020
slim nymph
damnit RDR2 Special Edition isnt on sale anymore
humble falcon
looks intensely at rockstar and nintendo
potent fossil
i make friends with most of the assholes and then i play in relative peace
wide chasm
Just don't play online with Nintendo games
slim nymph
im glad i played it without special editon. didnt need those boosts to make game easier.
potent fossil
survival of the fittest
humble falcon
just don't buy NSO... ever
magic river
NSO?
wide chasm
Nintendo Switch Online
magic river
Oh, I bought that before it even came out 😛
humble falcon
Honestly if i see a feature that's NSO only, i just assume it doesn't exist.
Splatton 2 let's see. Oh it's singleplayer only ok
wide chasm
Yeah same
magic river
I don't even use it
Like twice a year I'll play some of the virtual console games it gets you
wide chasm
Having to pay to be able to play online is bullshit anyway imo and the connectivity isn't even good, so whatever.
magic river
I don't play online
humble falcon
that mario battle royale they copied from that web game is NSO only -_-
and STILL P2P
magic river
iirc I thought I was going to be doing smash online
humble falcon
I heard that smash got it's own servers eventually but i'm not sure
wide chasm
Servers? On a Nintendo game? Unbelievable.
slim nymph
theres rumors ms is going to go away with paying for xbox online
next wind
yeah that would be so nice
slim nymph
they just bumped GamePass for PC from 5 to 10/mo, which is interesting, because onXbox GP ultimate is 5 for GP and 10 for online play.
magic river
Yeah instead you're going to pay for Game Pass Ultimate and that's the only way to get online 😛
humble falcon
nevermind it was false smash doesn't have servers
and people on reddit are like "that's worse!" lmao
game pass is actually a good deal
magic river
For a fighting game if you're doing 1v1 I think a server would make it worse
humble falcon
I have Apple Arcade and i love it
slim nymph
unless they move online play to 5/mo and GP is 10/mo for xbox
mighty storm
is it bad if i cant remember the last time i had breakfast
wide chasm
Well either you don't eat breakfast often or your memory is really bad
So I'd say yes
humble falcon
or it was just the same breakfast so you didn't really care
try a new food you've never tried before you'll def remember it then
worn ember
well according to google you'll be dead in 72 hours chew
wide chasm
lol
slim nymph
i havent been eating breakfast lately. keto and IF to a degree, just no apetite to over eat
humble falcon
*8
humble falcon
google-chan
wide chasm
Powdered donuts as breakfast?
slim nymph
so im getting a good 10-14 hours of intermittent fasting lately
mighty storm
kill me google chan 
next wind
how tf do you do that
mighty storm
my meals today will be: goldfish (flavor blasted), tacos
slim nymph
me? im not hungry lol
short yarrow
in the case where you have two different exceptions thrown within a line of each other and are in the same scope, would it be better to have separate try-catch blocks so you can have write a more specific error message instead of a general one?
mighty storm
who said theyre my pets
humble falcon
do you have uwuifier in this server
wide chasm
Imo yes Hydraxus
worn ember
dont eat pets you savage
mighty storm
who said they're pets
magic river
Today I'm having homemade lasagna
wide chasm
Or do you mean two entirely separate try/catch blocks?
magic river
Going to visit my grandparents
worn ember
goldfish are pets, end of story
wide chasm
You can just add a new catch clause to an already existing one
mighty storm
the snack that smiles back ™️
slim nymph
ate like 16z of steak for dinner the other night. double baconator w/ no bun and a half size avocado salad last night. bratwurst and eggs for lunch today
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
wide chasm
😦
slim nymph
you missed an o
mighty storm
.wa 16 oz to metric
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
slim nymph
.wa 16 oz to grams
wide chasm
Oh is it oz?
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 453.6 grams - https://is.gd/IqAGF8
mighty storm
yes
wide chasm
Holy shit that's a lot
slim nymph
oh i missed the o lol
magic river
I suspect the equivalent cut in metric world would just be 500 grams
slim nymph
but thats all i pretty much had that day and didnt eat until 7pm last night
short yarrow
Ahh @wide chasm I'll just add another catch block. I forgot that even existed. Thanks!
wide chasm
I mean, if I eat out I don't even go over 200g of meat and for normal dinner I eat less than that.
short yarrow
I usually just do Exception1 | Exception2
wide chasm
And I doubt lunch and breakfast would combine to another 200g
magic river
You can't do that in kotlin 😦
mighty storm
"up to 6x time faster than top-selling chromebook" well yeha, my left toe is faster than that trash 😂
magic river
Top voted feature request for kotlin is multi-catch block
void void
yep
next wind
chromebooks are nice for just general use though
void void
Holy shit that's a lot
no wtf
magic river
iPad Air is also 2x faster than the fastest MBP
next wind
and they last for a really long time too
void void
it's the d r e a m
mighty storm
chromebook is all fun and games until you dont have internet
magic river
Because they said it's 2x faster than the fastest Windows laptop which is the same or faster than the fastest MBP
next wind
Because they said it's 2x faster than the fastest Windows laptop which is the same or faster than the fastest MBP
@magic river lmfao what a lie
slim nymph
note thats around 1300 calories. considering that plus a shake is all i had for the day, I ate very little that day calorie wise
void void
wat
mighty storm
I mean, considering how bloated windows is, i wouldnt be suprised
magic river
Windows bloat has nothing or almost nothing to do with compute benchmarks
mighty storm
theyre completely different operating systems
magic river
specint is specint
mighty storm
oh hell yeah, finally, scribble
magic river
My XPS 9300 is within a rounding error of 2020 13" MBP performance
mighty storm
what is MBP
twin lagoon
xps 
mighty storm
most baluable product?
humble falcon
I mean the performance does differ but not 2x
magic river
I can't remember which one is faster but they're almost within the standard deviation for the benchmarks
MBP is MacBook Pro
mighty storm
geekbench times
twin lagoon
MBP is faster
mighty storm
ive never owned/used a windows computer i woudl call "fast" and "smooth"
humble falcon
"arbitrary score that doesn't mean anything but just compare it anyway"
I installed windows on my mac and it was smooth enough
magic river
That's probably because you buy cheap windows computers 😛
humble falcon
i mean as smooth as you can get on a USB 2.0 external HDD
dim shadow
@mighty storm wut os do u use? linucks?
magic river
Spent $1500 on one and see what you get
mighty storm
i dont buy windows computers, im not dumb
magic river
Although I did put Ubuntu 20.10 on here
humble falcon
imagine buying windows just to change your background
mighty storm
20.10 is out?
magic river
No
twin lagoon
ubuntu 
slim nymph
amaranth is in the secret club
magic river
(also I spent more than $1500...)
potent fossil
amaranth aren't you an (ex?) ubuntu dev?
magic river
Hi, I'm an Ubuntu Member, Ubuntu IRC Op, and former Ubuntu Developer 😛
What else would I use?
potent fossil
ah yes
mighty storm
lol
twin lagoon
snapd 
magic river
I uninstalled snapd
twin lagoon
ok you're good in my books
mighty storm
Ubuntu IRC Op
@serene bolt found a role farmer
slim nymph
my distro doesnt come with snapd 😛
spiral zinc
Density of SRAM isn't a good measure but TSMC did seem to have a decent advantage there
@magic river also, it was supposed to be tied but Intel had to scale back 10nm to not be as ambitious
magic river
I was an IRC Op before anything else, iirc I only finally went through getting approved for member because they made it required for ops
mighty storm
my vps doesnt support snapd 
spiral zinc
and while they got decent density it kinda sucks in most other ways
slim nymph
mint is pretty much my personal desires of a tweaked ubuntu.
spiral zinc
I've heard that they are having trouble with their 7nm process, and I expect that that's why their GPU (IIRC) is going to be done on Samsung's 8nm process
slim nymph
its still effectively ubuntu, just a good UX built around cinnamon
magic river
Pretty sure they were doing their GPU on TSMC 7nm
mighty storm
wasnt there some ubuntu tablet coming out, what happened to that
magic river
iirc part of it was Intel 14nm, part was Intel 10nm, and part was TSMC 7nm with their EMIC tech to glue it all together
Ubuntu Touch was for phones
spiral zinc
i don't really remember or care, i only looked at their marketing materials that....one time
i thought it said samsung 8nm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
magic river
Although if their 10nm SuperFin clocks as high as they say I wonder why they'd need TSMC
mighty storm
nop
magic river
Unless their yields are still shitty enough that large dies are a bad idea
mighty storm
oh! I was on there up until Wednesday, August 21st, 2019
spiral zinc
the only reason I could think of is
dim shadow
bruhhh my bday was the next day
spiral zinc
production capacity or their own manufacturing capability
dunno though, like I said I keep hearing their 7nm process is riddled with problems
magic river
That could be, they had to move some things back to 14nm just because they didn't have enough 10nm capacity
mighty storm
Paper for iPadOS when
magic river
iirc they even ended up moving some things back to 22nm because 14nm overflowed too due to that
Like their modems
Cool Apple is finally getting rid of lightning
magic river
iPad Pro and iPad Air are both USB-C
mighty storm
oh god i hated when they first switched to lightning
my ipad mini was the only device that had it
and i left the only charger at my aunt's house (which is like 15 hours from our house)
magic river
I wonder when they'll switch the iPhones over, maybe with the ones coming out next month?
mighty storm
so no ipad for me
magic river
If not I'd think next year's model
mighty storm
i suppose theyre waiting a month
I heard they had to delay some models
so maize well delay them all
magic river
Yeah they plan 4 iPhone 12 models but not all at once due to supply constraints
That's also why they weren't announced today
mighty storm
ye
magic river
iPhone, iPad, and Watch usually go together
next frost
I love their commitement to environmental aspects
magic river
It's unclear whether the 2 iPhone 12 versions will come first or the two 6.1" versions (12 and 12 Pro)
Rumor is 5.4" 12, 6.1" 12, 6.1" 12 Pro, and 6.7" 12 Pro
Both of the 12 would make sense if screens are the bottleneck
mighty storm
i wonder wy apple did live instead of premiere
void void
iphones with usb c pls
next frost
oh pls no large screens
magic river
Remember when Apple only put out one iPhone?
mighty storm
whas that
magic river
And when they moved to two models it was just a refresh of the two years ago model sold as new?
mighty storm
the se?
magic river
Yeah, first it was just iPhone, then you had iPhone and iPhone SE
Now you have 4 "flagship" models plus the SE
mighty storm
SE has iphone 11 specs though
slim nymph
@cosmic raft ELI5?
mighty storm
I like the 8 skin
magic river
@slim nymph hyper-v will let Linux be the "native" OS
slim nymph
i get mixed thoughts reading this. is ms trying to run windows apps under linux natively?
mighty storm
anyone know when ios 14 actually releases?
magic river
hyper-v is like Xen so there is no actual native one but only one of them gets to use special APIs to have more direct hardware control
slim nymph
oh so linux hpervisor with windows guests? i assume windows requires a windows hypervisor atm?
magic river
Instead of being Hyper-V with Windows on the side for management and whatever guests you want it'll be Hyper-V with Linux on the side for management and whatever guests you want
mighty storm
i assume beta 8 is the same lol
slim nymph
so the management part runs as a separate OS instance under the host?
magic river
Considering the host is actually Hyper-V then sure
cosmic raft
@slim nymph the second para explains really
Here we propose this patch series to make Linux run as the root partition [0]
on Microsoft Hypervisor [1].Microsoft wants to create a complete virtualization stack with Linux and
Microsoft Hypervisor. There will be a subsequent patch series to provide a
device node (/dev/mshv) such that userspace programs can create and run virtual
machines. We've also ported Cloud Hypervisor [3] over and have been able to
boot a Linux guest with Virtio devices since late July.
slim nymph
only explains if you know how that stuff is built already, ive never dabbled with that stuff
magic river
Usually the host is considered that Windows instance though since it's the only way to drive Hyper-V and has sole authority on setting up hardware and guests
slim nymph
only done the simple VM style of some host os where guests are running essentially as processes on parent
magic river
This is basically like the Xen patches for Linux to let it run as the dom0 instead of just as a domU
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@twin lagoon https://youtu.be/v2sulRHjO8A (photographic epilepsy warning: fast changing colours)
void void
twin lagoon
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void void
Do one with rory @mighty storm
mighty storm
ask whoever made the kneny emotes
am i the only one who makes sure i have 0 unread, but never mark an open issue as done until it's closed
limber knotBOT
I don't even use github's notification view lol
mighty storm
i use it so often
keeps me up to date
plus I can peek at issues that havent had any interaction for a few months and revisit it
limber knotBOT
unkempt drift
I need to manage those. I get spammed with security notifs from older js projects
mighty storm
wtf are those emoji
you can turn off security notices or archive em, thats usually what I do
limber knotBOT
you don't have emojies there? 
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vernal moth
I hate those, I guess I should just archive old projects to not be annoyed about the notifications
twin lagoon
vernal moth
I read all GitHub notifications
mighty storm
also fuck the security thing, I have some repo that doesnt (and never had) a dependecy file, and github STILL tells me my deps are out of date, wtf
twin lagoon
ah yes confidentiality in a mailing list email
limber knotBOT
also holy fuck, I just noticed that the emojies aren't even the same width
mighty storm
potent fossil
i didnt know about archiving
mighty storm
archiving just turns it off entirely, you could also just turn off those specific notifications
minor badge
oh lol i havent even starred paper
potent fossil
oh well i would never have touched them again ever
limber knotBOT
also those are the default win 10 emojies, chew 👀
mighty storm
youre thinking stylish, not stylus
warm mesa
My textbook for my AI class is $39.99 to rent online for 180 days and $59.99 to buy online. Should I rent it or buy it?
mighty storm
stylish had some sort of tracker thing, privacy issue
stylus is just css modification, nothin more
limber knotBOT
nah, the issue with stylish was that it contacted userstyles for all visited pages to show styles for your current page when you opened the menu
warm mesa
I hate textbooks 😦
mighty storm
potent fossil
afaik stylus is a fork of stylish with the call home functionality removed
hard fork*
worn ember
soft forks are pretty useless anyway
limber knotBOT
wat
vernal moth
Stylus forked before call home
golden gust
stylus is a fork of stylish
mighty storm
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne this is what I use
vernal moth
Call home isn't open sure anymore iirc
limber knotBOT
maybe, but it wasn't really known before that lol
mighty storm
wdym
limber knotBOT
ah, stylish was sold. I see
mighty storm
this?
limber knotBOT
apparently they added real tracking Oo TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylish#Privacy_issues
mighty storm
indeed, the 
.replace(p, c)
limber knotBOT
TIL about freestyler.ws
golden gust
worn ember
i love that song
spiral zinc
the only thing ubuntu does right is ubuntu livepatach
@twin lagoon live patch?
twin lagoon
kernel livepatching
potent fossil
uwu
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://ubuntu.com/livepatch -- Canonical Livepatch Service | Ubuntu: "Automatic Linux kernel updates for Ubuntu 16.04, 18.04 and 20.04 LTS. Apply critical patches without rebooting and keep your systems secure and..."
spiral zinc
this doesn't actually do major updates, though, does it?
twin lagoon
just security
spiral zinc
there are limits to the amount of patching you can do
this is proven by the other live patching tool, that Oracle bought
golden gust
Not just security, depends what they drop out
But, it really depends on the scope of the change and the viability of it
e.g. the intel mitigations couldn't be live-patched
spiral zinc
you can really only do very minor patches
think about it
you can't change everything that is in memory to have a different shape
not reasonably
so at best you can poke some instructions or some branches to be slightly different
moreover it kind of doesn't matter, let your systems fail
if they can't be turned off and have others take their place automatically, you're doing something wrong
limber knotBOT
glances at his old server with over 1200 days uptime
spiral zinc
if you want to skip the reboot you can
load the new kernel into kexec and then shutdown into it
at least the hardware will remain hot
golden gust
The thing is that for servers, most of what you'd care about can probably be live patched
mainly stability/security fixes
The mechanism to do it is pretty robust
Just, ofc, there is a scope to it's viablity where the scale of the patch is just going to cause so many issues applying on a hot system that it's not worth it
spiral zinc
yeah I mean at the end of the day you'll still need to do hard upgrades
that's about it
since you already can shut off the machines because of that
you should be able to apply upgrades without live patching as well
golden gust
upgrading existing hardware is generally not worth it to companies where this is really relevant, tbqh
maybe I misread that, erm
The thing is that the idea is to try to avoid reboots as much as possible, imagine if everything needed to reboot due to shellshock, etc
mighty storm
dammit, i have essay due tomorrow
should i wait and do it tomorrow or should i just do it tonight
golden gust
create a title page
potent fossil
do a mindmap tonight
golden gust
that way you can say you did something today
spiral zinc
The thing is that the idea is to try to avoid reboots as much as possible, imagine if everything needed to reboot due to shellshock, etc
@golden gust shellshock isn't a kernel exploit and I can imagine that
potent fossil
then itll be really easy tmrw to write it quickly
golden gust
No, but the point still stands
golden gust
For large companies, rebooting the entire network in a "oh shit" manner ain't exactly viable
spiral zinc
you generally have to be a few layers deep to have to attack the kernel anyway
golden gust
Not to mention, that one machine on the network which people refuse to reboot because oh fuck
(ask simple about that one 😄 )
potent fossil
put central idea in center, then make offshoot branches of different ideas and questions/answers to each idea. do that till you have a few ideas and stuff then tomorrow you just make each idea a paragraph and expand a little bit by using your questions/answers or offshoots of the idea, then write your intro and conclusion and done @mighty storm
astral spoke
Just so I know where to start looking - is anyone having issues where sleeping doesn't reset a player's phantoms on the latest 1.16.3 build / is it a known bug already?
heady spear
simple did you see me flash my pretty brig stuff before?
tell me I'm good
I need the confidence boost or I'll cry myself to sleep
golden gust
it won't kill the existing phantoms
(Server doesn't even track the player which spawned them, etc)
astral spoke
I know, that's not what I mean
golden gust
It should reset the sleep timer thing, however; not aware of that not working
astral spoke
I mean when someone sleeps phantoms are supposed to stop spawning at night for them for a while
Alright then, I'll do some testing
potent fossil
ur what @heady spear
heady spear
look I have weird Mojang colored commands
so everyone using the API will know just how gay I am
golden gust
Well, it's briadier
grand pewter
yeah i know
golden gust
paper does expose it in the API for registering events
golden gust
CommandRegisteredEvent
heady spear
it's still quite hacky ngl
grand pewter
i tried with commodore before but it had weird bugs
golden gust
define "hacky"
grand pewter
sometimes didn't register a random command
heady spear
Most of the argument types aren't exposed by the API so you need to use NMS to access them
golden gust
ah
heady spear
so if you want serialisation of all mojang mapped types then well
it'll be a bit hacky
mossy vessel
gj city, I'm proud
heady spear
good
I'm in the process of mapping remaining mojang supported types to bukkit types bcuz that'll be cute
heady spear
https://github.com/Sauilitired/cloud/blob/master/cloud-minecraft/cloud-paper/src/main/java/com/intellectualsites/commands/PaperBrigadierListener.java
I mean this is a hell of a lot better than dealing with Spigot
ashen cliff
AdoptJDK Jenkins gang.
potent fossil
thats pretty sexy city
heady spear
https://github.com/Sauilitired/cloud/blob/master/cloud-minecraft/cloud-brigadier/src/main/java/com/intellectualsites/commands/brigadier/CloudBrigadierManager.java brigadier code btw^
I'm surprised mojang actually made a half usable API
heady spear
zero documentation but well
spiral zinc
though I think NVIDIA's purchase of Arm is going to go downhill
@peak dirge IMHO it's fine
if it really becomes a problem, everyone will use RISC-V and gang up on Nvidia
and I don't really think it'll be a problem as long as nvidia is forced to respect ARM's licensing arrangements going forward
I think nvidia has been wanting to join AMD/Intel in the CPU battleground for years
but getting the bus licenses to make nForce was a major battle with Intel, so making ARM chips is the only way they can even get into the market
(why Tegra exists)
spiral zinc
is it the 15th already?
mighty storm
void void
mighty storm
oh damn it do be building for several hours doe
whats new in1 5? text blocks?
records are in preview?
void void
look at the fking page i linked
void void
(-_-)zzz
mighty storm
@void void i asked adoptopenjdk, not oracle
cunning raft
mighty storm
nashorn is gone :crabsad:
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nashorn more like songoda config library
mighty storm
👀
topaz mortar
worn ember
sucks to be you 
mighty storm
there ya go
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here's an idea: not fucking the older phones that look at this chat
spiral zinc
nashorn is better off anyways
people who liked it should've moved to graal a long time ago
it was unmaintained
worn ember
my 5 year old android can run it just fine
mighty storm
hell if that can then what's the problem
worn ember
its probably just brainlag
mighty storm
it's not gonna slow it down, it's just gifs
potent fossil
i have to stop all my docker services :'( my irc idle time :'(
potent fossil
im running my irc client in docker
worn ember
do you play minecraft in docker too?
potent fossil
no?
worn ember
man how am i supposed to know how that ancient tech works
mighty storm
https://github.com/AdoptOpenJDK/openjdk-jdk 60k commits, no issues?
spiral zinc
its a mirror
spiral zinc
mighty storm
there's nothing, 0 open 0 closed
spiral zinc
no because issues are disabled for the mainline repo
minor badge
might be a bot to delete them
mighty storm
same with prs too, you cant delete prs
minor badge
make the first issue, chew
worn ember
ah shit forgot a line
vernal moth
man how am i supposed to know how that ancient tech works
@worn ember why would that be ancient? Lol
Thelounge is modern
worn ember
ok boomer
true canyon
thelounge is great
vernal moth
pretty sure most of java's stuff is on mercurial
@grand pewter no, java is moving everything to GitHub
worn ember
👀
grand pewter
oh epic
vernal moth
So yes, it was in the past, but most projects and I think even mainline is migrated now
.g project skara
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://openjdk.java.net/projects/skara/ -- Skara - OpenJDK: "Skara. The goal of this Project is to investigate alternative SCM and code review options for the JDK source code, including options based upon Git..."
zealous wedge
yup, one of the first things for JDK 16
worn ember
me: being big brain and using configurate
also me: confused why its not creating an instance of an abstract class
wide chasm
https://www.techradar.com/news/minecraft-is-making-a-huge-move-that-will-change-the-game-forever
Anyone seen this yet? Cause after reading this I personally still have no clue what's going to change.
worn ember
they making it 3d?
magic river
This is for bedrock and turns it into multiple servers that you move through seamlessly
wide chasm
Figured Bedrock would be getting all the attention again
worn ember
smh my life all over again
wide chasm
But nice for them I suppose
magic river
...the engine isn't in java, how would it work?
worn ember
by making it in java
magic river
So rewrite Aether Engine in Java?
magic river
No more modding anyway then 😛
At least not for anything Aether Engine manages
It looks like this is basically a port of Minecraft to a new engine
Not a new renderer but Aether Engine probably manages physics and networking and such
wide chasm
The new MC modding will be all about changing the data send to Aether Engine. I'm expecting an in-depth protocol explanation after that has been reverse engineerd :)
potent fossil
How bad would it be if I made an unprivileged account on my server (i.e. no sudo) with the docker group so that Jenkins can log in and execute image pulls and container restarts? Ssh key auth only
magic river
So Java is also doing Lua scripting
worn ember
ah yes thats what we needed
magic river
That's how "real" games are made 😛
magic river
Engine in some high perf language, assets in data, game logic in lua
worn ember
well usually they do that cuz the engine is in c or c++
seems kinda pointless if its already in java
magic river
Game logic as in "how an arrow launches depending on where you're looking, how long you pull back, etc"
The actual flight of the arrow is the physics engine in that high perf language
Well, it doesn't matter what the engine is written in if you don't need to mess with it
worn ember
its just yet another layer ontop tho
spiral sparrow
Amaranth was an ubuntu dev 😮
worn ember
that must be why its so unstable
wide chasm
Still don't quite get why people do the whole Lua thing; you've already worked with probably C++ or C# for your engine, might as well write the game logic in that as well. It's not like those languages are particularly hard or anything.
worn ember
lua is easier to learn i suppose
spiral zinc
How bad would it be if I made an unprivileged account on my server (i.e. no sudo) with the docker group so that Jenkins can log in and execute image pulls and container restarts? Ssh key auth only
@potent fossil you'll be fine as long as you keep your private key away from randoms
potent fossil
lol, yeah of course
wide chasm
I guess if you have separate people working on the engine and the game logic, yeah. If those are tge same people, well, those would already know the language of the engine.
worn ember
not much you can do from jenkins anyway
unless you're logged in to an admin account ofc
potent fossil
jenkins would be logging in via ssh to run some commands and then log out
worn ember
oh uh
spiral zinc
I don't see any issue with that
potent fossil
should be fine, the private key is separate and secure
olive marlin
I mean - with that you basically have root access.
potent fossil
it doesnt have sudo access
olive marlin
But with docker you can elevate priviledges.
Since you contact daemon which has root access.
potent fossil
welp, dunno the other option and im not running a full k8s cluster
twin lagoon
k8s
olive marlin
If you have a decent ssh config, it should be fine.
But then you can just have jenkins in sudoers, the same thing.
pastel pivot
default String foo(String arg) { return bar(arg); } is there a correct english term for this case? I mean something like: "The method foo is forwarded to the method bar." But according to wiki forwarding means something different in terms of OOP. 🤔
restive thicket
I mean that's kind of a getter?
pulsar wigeon
has return value != getter
pastel pivot
I'm trying to write proper docs for this method:
default double[] evaluateGradient(int n, T arguments) {
return evaluateGradient(n, arguments, evaluate(n, arguments));
}
I'm trying to describe what the default implementation does without using the code itself. That's what I currently have: The
* default implementation invokes {@link #evaluate(int, Object)} with the
* specified parameters and forwards the parameters and the result to
* {@link #evaluateGradient(int, Object, double)}.
But that sounds stupid ..
pulsar wigeon
overload?
magic river
That's almost currying but no
Oh, whoops, I did the thing the wiki points out and mixed it up with partial function application
pulsar wigeon
honestly sounds like a way wordier version of "The default implementation calls the {link int,obj,double} overload with the result of the {link evaluate} method as the third param"
it's implied that the first two params are the same since it's an overload
pastel pivot
okay thanks, sounds better.
limber knotBOT
so assuming one would write a wiki that contains information about multiple plugins: would you guys prefer all the information about one plugin to be on a single page (commands, permissions, examples etc. kinda like wikipedia does it) or have sub pages for that stuff?
worn ember
i'd make a category for one, then sub categories for all documentation
if that makes any sense, words are hard
merry talon
Still don't quite get why people do the whole Lua thing; you've already worked with probably C++ or C# for your engine, might as well write the game logic in that as well. It's not like those languages are particularly hard or anything.
another reason is accessibility
its a lot easier to just slap something together in lua than it is to get a full IDE set up
limber knotBOT
using any language without an IDE is a pain though
pastel pivot
I think that's what I'm going to use. I know the second sentence is kind of redundant and unnecessary but it's very clear now.
* {@link #evaluateGradient(int, Object, double)} with
* {@link #evaluate(int, Object)} as third parameter. Otherwise the same
* parameters are used for both methods.```Thanks again for helping me out.
slim nymph
@wide chasm its much faster to test changes in Lua code than recompiling game, as well as if you intend to have a user facing api Lua is a natural choice
wide chasm
Why Lua out of all languages though? Last time I looked at Lua it didn't seem that great.
slim nymph
It has a really close binding to c/c++
magic river
Lua is one of the languages best suited for scripting an existing piece of software
It has no standard library and can only do things you explicitly provide to it
I mean, it has a standard library but by default it's not available
slim nymph
Easy to bind native code into the environment with low overhead
magic river
So you can restrict IO and such by just not enabling that
I don't know if I'd say low overhead but lower than a JNI call certainly 😛
wide chasm
I see, that would make sense in such an environment I suppose.
Doesn't sound very good for a normal standalone programming language, though
slim nymph
i sure as hell have not heard of any other major language being as easy to even tie into. i think someones trying for nodejs but not heard anything solid. never heard of it for php or python either.
its one thing to add native modules to a language, its another to run a language i a foreign process it doesnt control and let that environment control you
the language has to be loaded as a library instead of the controlling process, and expose apis to let a controller tell the interpeter how to behave
the simple fact lua has that work done saves game developers a ton of time not redoing that work for another language, so lua commonly gets used
vestal jasper
WoW uses Lua for it's addons as well
And ComputerCraft uses it for it's user operating environment
limber knotBOT
yeah, it fucking sucks lol. I wish they used a proper language
vestal jasper
I have used it standalone but yeah there's 0 reason to, might as well use nosejs or python, you'll have an infinitely better experience.
limber knotBOT
anything that is not zero-indexed is not a real programming language
vestal jasper
CC Lua is alright. It's what got me into programming tbh since it's pretty much as easy to use as basic.
worn ember
big head
zealous wedge
it finally rained here yesterday
mighty storm
nice
zealous wedge
we can see the real sky!
worn ember
hasnt it been deprecated for ages now?
mighty storm
probably, he never removes deprecated methods
zealous wedge
there's an actual profile api
worn ember
by the time its removed spigot wont exist anymore
zealous wedge
you think spigot can die?
worn ember
slow and painful death
mighty storm
and the getShoulderEntity methods are all deprecated too
cosmic raft
what is a sky
vestal jasper
Same kash
zealous wedge
nice superstore
cosmic raft
thanks
worn ember
its ok, it'll get colder 
limber knotBOT
"anymore" chew?
zealous wedge
that's what it looked like yesterday here
limber knotBOT
that has been there since the UUID update lmao
Bukkit team deprecated all player-name methods iirc
zealous wedge
we can't see downtown, but at least we can see up
zealous wedge
yeah, should've been replaced by an actual api around the profile cache with async operations and all that
but it wasn't
limber knotBOT
"how to get command input?"
worn ember
Yes
mighty storm
i mean, whats the easiest way to find an offlineplayer via username
slim nymph
um names are used for commands too kash 😛
worn ember
i know my own uuid out of my head
mighty storm
yeah talkin /bruh moment, what if moment is offline
limber knotBOT
don't use getOfflinePlayer, use the PlayerProfile or the cache directly
worn ember
cache me outside how about dah
slim nymph
well offline support sucks, it can really kill performance, better off using external db
limber knotBOT
at least there you have actual control over what happens, getOfflinePlayer will just call straight to mojang if its not cached
slim nymph
but i do want to add a sqlite db in front of name based lookups
worn ember
just use mc-heads
mighty storm
does this do anything other than change format? lol
slim nymph
just cause mc is weird and sends commands and chat in same packet doesnt mean its same! 😛
limber knotBOT
yeah, I actually run a mongo cache of username->uuid mapping lol
worn ember
thats illegal chew
limber knotBOT
no it doesn't, at least not in 8
[int] is obviously the one choice to trigger everyone though
worn ember
i like how it tagged everyone
next wind
what did he announce though? a vbucks giveaway?
worn ember
it was 34°C here today, in fucking september
slim nymph
feels great outside here
worn ember
hottest 15th September in history lul
"it'll get colder soon, dont you worry" -trump
idk what meds he's taking but i want some too
worn ember
dw rants over
mighty storm
whats the diff?
wide chasm
What's that?
mighty storm
typo inspection config
trying to make it ignore like variable names, only stuff within "quotes"
worn ember
@vernal moth https://youtu.be/-FUQ6ZxTkM8 lmao germans really are a different breed
peak dirge
an ugly monospace font used for UI
mighty storm
how tf do i turn that off then tux
wide chasm
Then use Process literals
potent fossil
jenkins pipeline do be killing me
mighty storm
i just copied it from geyser lol
mighty storm
oohh much better
restive thicket
What did you copy from Geyser?
potent fossil
There, got mine working
potent fossil
That's horrible. Good thing my pipelines are p much the same for everything now
ill be copy pasting that one
potent fossil
this comment section is now property of the german republic kekw
slim nymph
lies, you got a bot pinging for geyser
potent fossil
ok now how do i erase all the failed builds in jenkins cuz that shit is embarassing
mighty storm
delete builds, set next build number to the last successful + 1
potent fossil
well anyway, yea, for most of my projects that pipeline is copypastable save for changing the repo URL and whatever. so pretty nice, ill make my other projects now :D
oh shit i never tested git webhook 
mighty storm
geyser team walking in when "Geyser" is mentioned
lavish nova
As long as you don't break builds on production branches it's just part of the fun of development
slim nymph
having production branches in minecraft hahahahah not all of us can run mc at that scale 😛
mighty storm
still going 😄
lavish nova
we use our 1.9 network as a base for most stuff, backport to 1.8 where relevant and then forwardport to MCO when it's needed
each version has a production and staging network branch
mighty storm
is we cubecraft
lavish nova
Git discipline is either learnt very early on or very painfully
yes it's a royal we chew
i am cubecraft now 
mighty storm
hire me i will add rory pictures
slim nymph
what is your title actually lol, your not owner right?
mighty storm
rory is warm :3
worn ember
Wait what does zed own 
slim nymph
only one of the largest MC servers lol
lavish nova
pssh no biggie
worn ember
oh ok
slim nymph
nothing too big
worn ember
i need namesss
slim nymph
CubeCraft
wide chasm
Join chew, it's a good server
lavish nova