oh, im not doing tech on ebay :p
#general
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ashen cliff
Need some of them Cisco Nexus fabric extenders and a controller.
unreal quarry
i upgraded from SyS :p
unreal quarry
their ram is slow as balls
ashen cliff
Just go into the bios and change it.
frigid shadow
Wasnt cisco the one with an extra door for intelligence?
green edge
never had any issue with RAM on SYS
ashen cliff
They have back doors everywhere. But it's running on a local network without external access.
green edge
we're using it in production
unreal quarry
nothing wrong with them. loved them to death and highly recommend as budget solutions
i just needed more
green edge
Where did you find the 3600 proximyst?
void void
$120/mo for 7700k 64gb ddr4 512gb nvme
unreal quarry
what i mean is what i have right now with ovh people get from hetzner for half the price :3
void void
wtf
unreal quarry
its crazy
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@green edge AX41
void void
i pay half the price for i9-9900K and 2x1tb nvmes
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unreal quarry
exactly, mikro
green edge
thanks
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it'd be €8/mo more for me to upgrade but damn i want to 
void void
ayymd dedis are so cheap?
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yes, mikro
ashen cliff
Almost a whole year of me owning the 9900k... Hetzner please add new CPUS.
green edge
god you remind me of myloc's cooling
ashen cliff
I'm thinking of getting the 3700X and turning on PBO.
zealous wedge
nice sandals
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kash 
cosmic raft
yup
twin lagoon
i want a dedi but i have no use for it
green edge
what about colocation
cosmic raft
@twin lagoon http://franned.it/
twin lagoon
green edge
i've never been able to find a reasonable colocation provider
you pay more than renting a dedicated server
unreal quarry
hey @cosmic raft i posted a pic similar to that yesterday https://discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/743569407996854363
😛
unreal quarry
could have bought so many tacos
cosmic raft
@twin lagoon surprised you knew it was frantech :P
worn ember
Are those yours or is that a random pic?
cosmic raft
frantech
twin lagoon
i am an expert
worn ember
Oh
green edge
buyvm is not bad at all
green edge
how do they fare in terms of ddos mitigation potential?
cosmic raft
much prefer buyvm over vultr, linode
cosmic raft
have never had to deal with ddos shit myself, so no clue :p
green edge
i think we got hit with a 200Gbit attack once
cosmic raft
o.o
green edge
yeah, large gaming server in romania
some guy paid somebody a full-month salary to ddos us, and that guy didn't do anything :)))
void void
lol
finite wave
Nice
green edge
the internal joke was that he could've paid us and we'd have restarted the servers
finite wave
Pay me i’ll ddos shit
void void
but ye i have EX62-NVMe
frigid shadow
With a full month salary you can ddos hella a lot
twin lagoon
juuuust use tcpshield
ashen cliff
Oh, you can still DDoS OVH, just have to be smart about it.
twin lagoon
meh
void void
i wonder if those AX series boxes perform similarly to my intel stove
green edge
but we have our own in-house layer 7 mitigation
cosmic raft
intel stove
unique snow
OVH?
cosmic raft
green edge
so it's not worth it to pay 1k a month for ddos protection
ashen cliff
Someone I know was also contacted... after getting DoSed for a whole month, before going to OVH.
green edge
they were probabbly contacting all large networks to get them to switch
twin lagoon
i haven't had to deal that much with ddos attacks
void void
i mean it IS a fucking stove. fire up survival map pregeneration @ 25k range using Chunky
and see how cps goes up down up down
green edge
they cater to competitive servers where low ping gives the placebo pvper effect
cosmic raft
The server i play on just generates chunks as we explore
void void
and dmesg spits warnings about throttling
cosmic raft
much more fun
void void
_>
green edge
cosmicguard is used by mineteria, 2b and some other big players
twin lagoon
cosmicguard is just proxypipe rebranded
green edge
yeah
void void
yeah but if you aim for 32vd lol
twin lagoon
they've existed for qute a long time
now they're multi-homed because cosmic bought them over and pumped more $ in it
void void
ur rip in pieces with non pregenned map
green edge
they still have both sites running
void void
sure, run server with vd 1 and you can walk around easily in non-pregenerated map :p
green edge
also 2 ASNs
even though one range at cosmic network is allocated to proxypipe (???)
personally i don't see the point of using providers like them over OVH
but i'm guessing there's people that see value in their offering
green edge
latency is mainly the same
the only difference is server handshake ping
if your servers are in the EU, you can have as many proxies in the US as you want
your true latency will still be 100+ms
whack in some "premium routes" and you're still at 95+ms
now for competitive pvp networks, i see the reason you'd go with something like this
for other networks running minigames and less competitive gamemodes, not so much
twin lagoon
that's more a tcpshield advantage
green edge
^ tcpshield uses ovh
so yeah, they're good enough for most servers
also, for the guy saying that you can DDoS OVH if you're smart, you can't really
there is one issue when you proxy though OVH and you get ddosed with TCP
but there's a workaround to fix the timeout
ashen cliff
Don't worry, no need to any type of exploit to DoS there. Just things they don't protect against.
green edge
layer 7?
ashen cliff
Fake real traffic from non flagged IPs, but not all at once, you have to do it slowly.
green edge
ah
yeah, that could work
that's why you need to do your own firewalling to prevent that
ashen cliff
It's hard to prevent such attacks.
green edge
if you have a website, you can limit max concurrent connections and have a limit on keepalive, not to mention the large array of pre-existent tools
ashen cliff
But you don't see attacks like that every day, since you can't just pay someone 10€ to do it or get a script from Github to do it.
green edge
For minecraft, same thing goes
limit max conncurrent connections per ip, have a system to detect bots and drop their IP before they start sending large amounts of data your way
ashen cliff
Then they just get more IPs. Thanks you 🇹🇷 for having at least 3 misconfigured blocks of IPs.
green edge
if you do the thing automatically it doesn't really matter how many ips they've got
for example our layer 7 implementation for minecraft rate-limits new connections
after a player is verified to be real, he gets added to an ipset and bypasses our firewall. If not, maximum connections to the server on the minecraft port is 20/sec
there are ways to slowly bypass it, true
but even then, there are methods to prevent that
shell vine
ashen cliff
There will always be a way around it, of not, just hit the IP next to yours. Watch the switch panic.
green edge
not sure here, but i think OVH does mitigate that
the only thing they don't mitigate is layer 7
void void
20/sec is too lenient
green edge
we're a large network, 20/sec is not that much
void void
i'd kick the limit down to 7/sec
green edge
that wouldn't cut it
ashen cliff
OVH does have Layer 7 protection on the Game line AFAIK.
green edge
we had spikes of 300 new players joining in 5 minutes
void void
a little bit of headroom for players who have whole cattle of siblings
worn ember
Mikropp
green edge
whenever some youtuber decides to play on our server on livestreams
void void
ded pp
worn ember
;-;
void void
ah
void void
yeah that's ok
unreal quarry
only 3? i hate when i want to play games with my family and i run into that (not just minecraft)
theres 7 of us all together in the same house (me, wife, 5 kids)
^_^
ashen cliff
Just more IPs.
green edge
the reason it's 3 is because culture in romania
very few parents actually play minecraft
we've really open to the playerbase, players are 1 PM away from us and we generally don't ignore any mature question
never got any complaint for that
ashen cliff
On the other hand, we had parents complaining about our April 1st prank.
green edge
what did you do?
ashen cliff
We real time translated all messages to a random Balkan language.
green edge
how much did that cost?
ashen cliff
green edge
guessing it's a smaller server
ashen cliff
Since it was only active for 30 minutes, due to people complaining.
green edge
I did something worse with one of my attempts to reach the US playerbase
Took over a community that was previously built by a youtuber
It was super toxic, they didn't bother shaping the community in any way, so yeah
They were saying i was a furry and i got annoyed and buyed a domain and rebranded the server to something furry
kids got MAD
frigid shadow
How much did u pay for the server lol
void void
mfw stef furry
green edge
the past management at that community signed a treaty with people that were crashing games
because they wouldn't bother fixing them
they had 500+ players a few years back
frigid shadow
500 players for a lazy management?
frigid shadow
ashen cliff
At least it wasn't a hardcore ERP server.
green edge
it was a child friendly server banning people for saying "damn" in chat or discussing anything that may be sensitive to some people
so trust me, it was bad
covert vapor
is there any good tutorial for getting paper on a server?
limber knotBOT
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green edge
@covert vapor upload your paper jar to your server's folder
it can replace spigot without needing any further configuration
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wo
quasi valley
man I just love all of his shows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV14G-Sxu7M&t=0s
cedar spade
Same
Also kudos to him for including a sponsored feature that made me even more inclined to watch the rest of the series rather than putting me off
quasi valley
lol yeah
worn ember
Tom Scott is my daddy 💦
mental meadow
jaiden ❤️
worn ember
hmm, intellij seems to lose git coloring when swapping modules
mossy vessel
viral hornet
latent valve
void void
looks like its the shadow realm, jimbo
wise hatch
anyone know how long server.pro takes to update versions?
i own a server.pro server and am waiting for paper 1.16.2 but it still havent come
void void
.eta
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
granite salmon
server.pro bad
void void
ya that too
wise hatch
its the best free server hoster
wise hatch
?
warm anchor
granite salmon
if you can't afford a cheap server then you don't deserve instant 1.16.2 update
wise hatch
i came here to ask friendly but since you guys want to talk nicely im out of here
void void
Cya Jimbo
warm anchor
Ignoring the giant #742779128868241550
Say people aint friendly
finite wave
Meh
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although he didnt read the channel, he does have a point tbh
warm anchor
worn ember
Toxic community
wide chasm
Goats actually sound like a pretty good idea imo
worn ember
Stef, you're supposed to enforce paper 2.0 smh
wide chasm
Ehm, ehm... Be nice everyone!
latent valve
fax u DED
slender jay
i mean we can never be as bad as spigot cancercord
warm anchor
What’s the new feature in paper 2.0
worn ember
@latent valve i'm out of ink
green edge
what's paper 2.0?
quasi valley
lmao so md actually doesn't support the dimension and biome stuff because "it's experimental features"?
awesome
green edge
lol
quasi valley
paper 2.0 is a stupid term/meme people have been throwing around after the guidelines have been set up 👀
granite salmon
are we still allowed to hate 1.8 people
slender jay
Please be polite even when turning down help. Paper does not officially support older versions of our software, and that is not likely to change. We generally discourage people from using our older software, and we stipulate that it comes with no support. This does not mean users asking for support for older versions should be mocked or yelled at, however.
granite salmon
boo
granite salmon
slender jay
Please don't harass people for using software/plugins that you don't like.
granite salmon
songoda plugins 👀
worn ember
i basically need to reimplement the bukkit api to abstract everything 
this is gonna be fun
granite salmon
took a while xd
worn ember
good ol windows
mossy vessel
kotlin
granite salmon
rose lion
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ded, abstracting it is easy if you just abuse generics :>
worn ember
am bad with generics
i dont think i'm going to abstract the location searching tho, fuck that
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just like ```java
interface ILocationSearcher {
Optional<Location> searchLocation(IWorld world, Parameters parameters);
}
let all the rest be per-platform
quasi valley
Optional
worn ember
pretty much how i do it rn
however the last one is a bit of a yikes, cuz then i gotta start dealing with chunks too
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optionals are cool, kneni
twin lagoon
kmemey
quasi valley
no u
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yes u x
quasi valley
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java 9's #ifPresentOrElse 😳
worn ember
isnt that in 8?
worn ember
no
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no, ded
twin lagoon
hello proxi
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michael uwu
wide chasm
Nullability annotations > Optional
hides
Or just a type system with proper null support
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imagine having the concept of null 
finite wave
What be null
zealous wedge
we are all null
finite wave
Oh shit
wide chasm
Abuse optionals and null to avoid having to make enums.
boolean -> two states
Boolean -> three states
Optional<Boolean> -> four states
@Nullable Optional<Boolean> -> five states
runs
quasi valley
finite wave
Smh
zealous wedge
@Nullable Optional<Either<Boolean, Unit>>
quasi valley
people who need/use Either are evil
zealous wedge
is that a subtweet of mojang
cosmic raft
@wide chasm @Nullable Optional<Either<Optional<Boolean>, Optional<Boolean>>>
@quasi valley I have an Either in my projects too :)
quasi valley
what about Eitherer with 3 possible values?
wide chasm
TriEither
quasi valley
but we knew you're evil already kash
wide chasm
If Java just supported dynamic generics, we could have automatically extended it until infinity
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tbf, java supports 256 generics so you can easily go exponential
worn ember
i already want to submit aliven't
zealous wedge
that's what codegen is for :p
worn ember
dansgame explain
quasi valley
yeah codegen like lombok
zealous wedge
you take that back
wide chasm
Just don't make a core module, write everything from scratch! /s
zealous wedge
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
cosmic raft
worn ember
tbh its probably not worth it, but i gotta learn at some point
quasi valley
that was worthy of a ban tbh
worn ember
too bad i'm using intellij 2020.2
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when your software is too new for hacks :>
quasi valley
imagine not being able to update IJ because of a stupid plugin
worn ember
i love the .2 features
quasi valley
yeah
wide chasm
Imagine relying on a stupid plugin
wide chasm
I agree that me4502 is a stupid mod, Dark
finite wave
Imagine being edok
wide chasm
Definitely not me
finite wave
Stef is the god mod
wide chasm
Love you me4502
latent valve
wide chasm
Yes
finite wave
Ish
wide chasm
Java doesn't have pointers
finite wave
Everything is a pointer
quasi valley
ur a pointer?
finite wave
Yes
void void
finite wave
👆
wide chasm
Java uses pass-by-sharing and that's about it.
void void
Java is a pointer
finite wave
Rust superior
void void
I am a pointer
void void
😦
cedar spade
Java has various reference types if you want specific GC behaviour, but that's all
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rust is superior until you need to write a million macros to generate some really annoying code :')
worn ember
is there a way to easily swap to the offending file? Like the one shown in the preview on the right?
void void
mojang made java look baddddddd
haughty lagoon
Death is just our souls becoming unreferenced.
wide chasm
I mean, languages where you can decide yourself whether you want pass-by-value or pass-by-reference can be useful, although I never really write Java code and feel like "oh here it would be really useful to have that"
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just double click the value on the left, ded
worn ember
ohh tnx lol
finite wave
No
peak ginkgo
Death is just our souls becoming unreferenced.
@haughty lagoon Deprecation period 😔
wide chasm
The five stages of life (and death): strong reference, soft reference, weak reference, phantom reference, unreferenced.
quasi valley
soft then weak 👀
peak ginkgo
I hope my child(ren) classes make it into v2
wide chasm
Shhh kenny
Also has anyone ever used a PhantomReference in Java? I cannot for the life of me think why you'd ever need that in an actual program.
worn ember
imagine if the simulation suddenly did World world = null;
havent even heard of those lul
quasi valley
https://www.baeldung.com/java-phantom-reference interesting huh
finite wave
Me neither stef
worn ember
just freeze gravity first
finite wave
Me entiherå
quasi valley
entiherå
peak ginkgo
@worn ember Or I can put them in creative
Where do I get OP for earth
I need to update Vault
worn ember
they probably gonna spawn in money then
wide chasm
I suppose it's useful when you need to know when an object is dead, but even then that's probably a very limited use case.
And as per that article, that implies that you actually can create an object whenever you want and don't need it immediately, which is often not the case.
worn ember
Object lives matter
wide chasm
I guess it's also better than the finalize method.
worn ember
ekdseee
finite wave
Why?
finite wave
Ok
worn ember
"I that could went wrong"
void void
shut
finite wave
Up
worn ember
South
finite wave
Is south down tho
void void
sometimes
finite wave
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worn ember
dum jane
finite wave
Dum ded
void void
.remind
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void void
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void void
aaaaaa
void void
what does "-d" stands for
worn ember
finite wave
.remind 4h @worn ember big bird
limber knotBOT
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smh
worn ember
stupid jan xD
void void
.remind 2w @worn ember big bird
limber knotBOT
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void void
nice
finite wave
Yes
worn ember
great, random pings
finite wave
.remind 1y @minor badge u smell
limber knotBOT
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now what if we stop using this for bot commands
finite wave
No
vernal bone
Hello! I've got a technical question regarding ubuntu, can I ask it here please?
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: noob
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sure
void void
woa
worn ember
for $5
void void
u
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@twin lagoon uwuuu
slender jay
Doge 
worn ember
he big floof
slender jay
Belly rubs for days
vernal bone
Allright.
I made a user, added the user to the sudo group by the following command: usermod -aG sudo username
After I logged in with the user thru sftp, but I don't have acess to modify, delete, or save files.
I'm getting error 3, and it says permission denied.
I don't know how can I make stfp use the sudo command when whriting/deleting files thru sftp.
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sudo group ≠ being root
vernal bone
The file is located under /home/servers/thefile
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it only applies to the sudo command, if youre not executing commands w/ it, you gain nada
slender jay
Being a sudoer does not grant you permissions to touch whatever you like
vernal bone
How can I make winscp to user the sudo command?
quasi valley
either give yourself permissions to the files (with sudo in the cli) or use the root user 👀
or uh, edit them with nano or whatever in the cli
worn ember
is this ubuntu with windows 7 theme? xD
vernal bone
“chgrp -R groupname directory”
what do you mean by groupname? the sudoers group? 👀
slender jay
Why dont you just login with root and spare yourself
vernal bone
Are you trying to give yourself permissions in the servers directory?
Yes, because it contatins all of my server folders.
twin lagoon
worn ember
i do everything as root lul
quasi valley
not the sudoers group, a... group you create and add yourself to
vernal bone
chgrp -R /home/servers/
vernal bone
void void
vernal bone
what does those brackets means?
twin lagoon
worn ember
its the binary value
twin lagoon
the brackets are the uid
vernal bone
I'll do this thru shh as the sudoed user. The user's name is kutya. chown -R kutya /home/servers/. This gives me permission for every file that the /servers/ file contains?
zealous wedge
quasi valley
should do, simon
worn ember
feel free to haxx me
worn ember
ikr
vernal bone
worn ember
always bullying me
quasi valley
did you use sudo? lol
worn ember
ddosses bartyrealms from root
vernal bone
it now works.
minor badge
Ded you run everything as root? Okay psychopath
i docker everything, so only thing i really run except for docker and coreutils is vim
vernal bone
let's try sftp
worn ember
so you run everything as root too?
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yee
worn ember
sudo aint one of them tho barty
minor badge
i've no reason to make a new user when all i'd do is use sudo/su anyways
worn ember
i dont have password login
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password login in current year
smhsmhsmh
vernal bone
Thank you so much! ♥️
minor badge
i'm not the average joe in this discord, i'm not running whatever i can find
vernal bone
this might be a dumb question
worn ember
if i do something dum i just reinstall the server kek
vernal bone
but do I need to use sudo when I start my servers with the startup command?
worn ember
yes do it
vernal bone
allright, thank you!
quasi valley
starts executing random files already on
worn ember
imagine using repeating tasks amirite
worn ember
look in the file above it dum dum
worn ember
smh
finite wave
Smh
worn ember
delting my message but not his
finite wave
Wtf still
worn ember
i'm really getting bullied
finite wave
I’ll bully you all day long babe
worn ember
shut up i'm trying to work
finite wave
I bet you are honey
brave lichen
CMI vs Essentialsx which is better?
finite wave
Es
vagrant niche
But CMI is worth 200 but only cost like $15
brave lichen
Yup Essentialx is powerful enough but a guy keep insisting I opt to CMI
Im assuming hes sponsored XD
vagrant niche
Which guy
finite wave
Tell him to eat horseshoe
vagrant niche
Name and shame
frigid shadow
Suggesting CMI for an average user is like suggesting SAP Business One for a startup
limber moon
quick question, can I change other attributes max values in spigot.yml other than attack/speed/health?
vagrant niche
@brave lichen Say thy name!
change port too
Never default port
It's hot garbage worth 150
frigid shadow
Lol
brave lichen
Im loyal to essentialx so
vagrant niche
Why
brave lichen
There lax XD
quasi valley
tell them to go away advertising their chicken mc nugget
brave lichen
OK XD
vagrant niche
Which discord is that from @brave lichen
brave lichen
Bisecthosting XD
vagrant niche
Is that guy an admin?
vagrant niche
With a red name?
frigid shadow
Isnt biscethosting advertising xtra much?
brave lichen
Yup XD> admin red role for a regular lol
@spare venture
frigid shadow
They make ads on luckperms
brave lichen
Gm?
frigid shadow
But not inside other plugins lmao
vagrant niche
Group Manager
frigid shadow
Permissions.yml
brave lichen
Well is pex better?
frigid shadow
Whats the difference
brave lichen
Imma stay on Luckperms then
brave lichen
Yeah LP for life
vagrant niche
I'm always correct
twin lagoon
hello kneny
quasi valley
hello michelle
vagrant niche
General
frigid shadow
Social
brave lichen
Adorable kitties
vagrant niche
spigot discord is more helpful
brave lichen
Link?
frigid shadow
Do u have a link
quasi valley
no
steel pulsar
brave lichen
Also are you sponsored by spigot XD?
vagrant niche
quasi valley
imagine Spigot paying Paper
vagrant niche
We would be nothing without spigot
brave lichen
Imagine Md_5 paying Lax
frigid shadow
Why is md5 not like implementing async chunk load
vagrant niche
Ok, no upstream pull challenge for 1.17
quasi valley
hopefully, would make paper being a hard fork easier :p
vagrant niche
Someone pin that
quasi valley
let me ask an even better question
brave lichen
XD
quasi valley
why are md5 and the paper team not friends? :(
brave lichen
🤔🤔🤔
twin lagoon
kneny 1.17 viaversion wen
quasi valley
soon™️
twin lagoon
kneny ur too slow
vagrant niche
It's about this one girl
quasi valley
no u
twin lagoon
kneny hangar wen
twin lagoon
k n e n y
vagrant niche
They fought over
marble lark
To be fair not everyone knows about Paper
steel pulsar
just saw a buncha posts go away
frigid shadow
why is md5 not being like: okay my development is eating more ram and cpu than chrome, maybe gotta change that
steel pulsar
my clients glitched
icy temple
Can a moderator pin the paper 1.16.2 download post?
steel pulsar
i mean theres a channel for it
marble lark
spigot has been useless for like 2 years now
Also not everyone is a dev that's interested in API features and whatnot so they probs settle for the first custom server available
quasi valley
you don't have to be a dev to also like playing on a stable server lmao
frigid shadow
and why does he not like paper
wide chasm
simple, let me remind you that it is, in fact, evening
potent fossil
It's 9:03 stef
marble lark
you don't have to be a dev to also like playing on a stable server lmao
@quasi valley I haven't seen any difference in Paper and Spigot yet performance wise aside from Paper starting up faster tbh,
wide chasm
And my timezone is superior, so...
potent fossil
No
wide chasm
Yes, UTC+2 over whatever you have
frigid shadow
@quasi valley I haven't seen any difference in Paper and Spigot yet performance wise aside from Paper starting up faster tbh,
@marble lark is this an alt of md5?
twin dirge
wow that was really cool
marble lark
@marble lark is this an alt of md5?
@frigid shadow Um no
brave lichen
Dont get the bois started XD
marble lark
Like I'm just genuinely telling the truth of my experience so far, I'm not going to stress test every single part of Spigot and paper just to see which is faster
potent fossil
There are some people who might give you the impression that paper and spigot hate TF out of each other but you may be surprised to find out a lot of us work in both communities... 👀 It just so happens paper likes to make more drastic change than spigot would PR. Paper as a result tends for better performance (when Mojang isn't the limiting factor)...
There. That's what's you need to know. Moving on.
twin lagoon
shut up simple
quasi valley
you literally just have to go into creative and fly around for 30 seconds to find the difference
twin lagoon
x
marble lark
There are some people who might give you the impression that paper and spigot hate TF out of each other but you may be surprised to find out a lot of us work in both communities... 👀 It just so happens paper likes to make more drastic change than spigot would PR. Paper as a result tends for better performance (when Mojang isn't the limiting factor)...
@potent fossil Ah yes thanks
potent fossil
Community politics are different doe 
👍
frigid shadow
has md5 a team?
wide chasm
I mean, he gave us a two hour monologue in the Spigot guild, pretty good trade imo
Md5 has a team of moderators, but not others that work on dev. (as in direct collaborators, of course people make PRs and issues)
potent fossil
I specifically spoke about the projects, not the devs. Community politics are a whole different can of worms.
marble lark
you literally just have to go into creative and fly around for 30 seconds to find the difference
@quasi valley It's still pretty laggy regardless, so I always assume it's my client and PC is the limiting factor, it's impossible to tell
brave lichen
What is community politics🤔?
frigid shadow
Md5 has a team of moderators, but not others that work on dev. (as in direct collaborators, of course people make PRs and issues)
@wide chasm so he is just doing it on his own?
wide chasm
Largely, yes.
potent fossil
Politics within the community.
marble lark
@wide chasm so he is just doing it on his own?
@frigid shadow Good lord that's painful
brave lichen
Politics within the community.
@potent fossil how do i vote?
marble lark
why are we fanboying over software anyway lol
potent fossil
Politics have to do with governance, so I'm talking about the projects are governed.
Politics doesn't implt democracy
Imply
Anyway #politics ?
steel pulsar
lets talk about democracy
twin lagoon
simple how's traefik
steel pulsar
i would get traefik but it'd be a pain to convert from shit ass nginx reverse proxy solutions to it
potent fossil
yes, we like to have heated political discourse so when it starts happening we collectively move there until we all get exhausted, then come back here to shitpost again
frigid shadow
what was the spigot troll account on twitter?
marble lark
Lmao I opened that channel and the first thing I saw was a picture of Donald Trump
seems legit
potent fossil
It is legit. It's politics.
marble lark
I know haha
brave lichen
Yeah I have nothing Illl just stay here
marble lark
It is legit. It's politics.
@potent fossil I prefer to just not talk about anything politics related
brave lichen
Why?
potent fossil
Correct, that's why we go to the politics channel. That's what it's for
Even meta discussion about it. Go there
steel pulsar
why should i trust you your name isnt in the moderator section
what if you're lying
brave lichen
Btw what happened to #kashikes safeplace
potent fossil
Fine, get banned then
wide chasm
kashikes safe place was renamed to adorable kittens
marble lark
i cant connect offical spigot server with official client version
@frigid shadow There's an official spigot server?
wide chasm
Yes
potent fossil
It's for testing new versions, they run snapshots there
marble lark
interesting
frigid shadow
Spigots server is usually running a snapsnot
@potent fossil which is older than official client
limber knotBOT
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
potent fossil
Well, he hasn't needed to update it yet. He doesn't keep it updated so you can play. He updates it when he needs testing done lmao
marble lark
@potent fossil which is older than official client
That can't be right isn't the latest snapshot 1.16.2 with the combat changes
potent fossil
See my last message, maybe he didn't need any testing
marble lark
ah I see
frigid shadow
he put it on 1.16.2
i am on 1.16.2
but his version seems to be a prerelease or some
frigid shadow
feeling rejected
marble lark
what is the difference between pre release and release candidate tho it's kinda weird
wide chasm
With each step you get closer to an official release. Snapshot -> pre-release -> release candidate.
potent fossil
Prerelease = is it good enough to be RC? Release candidate = probably good enough to be released but doing final checks
brave lichen
Release Candidate are candidates for official release, they pick a candidate that would be release
frigid shadow
nah
brave lichen
Did i get it right,wrong or complicated?
frigid shadow
RC = the build partners receive for testing, Release = RC + Dayone-Patch
twin lagoon
not in the mc world
potent fossil
There are usually not multiple candidates to choose from, just one. Though they might release multiple versions of the RC
twin lagoon
mc world is just latest RC version, no other changes
frigid shadow
yea
marble lark
interesting
twin lagoon
though day-one patches do exist
potent fossil
I mean sometimes there are day ones
twin lagoon
usually realms related
frigid shadow
hm
twin lagoon
e.g. 1.16.1's hash changed a few times
brave lichen
What is dayone? Anyway?
brave lichen
One day
steel pulsar
it's a japanese name
potent fossil
The first day of release, it gets patched already
frigid shadow
What is dayone? Anyway?
@brave lichen buy fifa, download 20 gb on top
brave lichen
Nah
brave lichen
I see
potent fossil
That's only day one of you buy it immediately at release and it does that
Bad analogy
frigid shadow
...
potent fossil
But sure
frigid shadow
its day one patch from pov of buyer hehe
potent fossil
Lol
brave lichen
😅😅😅
potent fossil
I need coffee
potent fossil
ew
brave lichen
Drink monster for max energy
wide chasm
Hi Mini
twin lagoon
i've never been in arnhem
limber knotBOT
vernal moth
The German border isn't even near, lol
twin lagoon
it's preeeeeeetty close
wide chasm
~19 km according to google maps
peak dirge
Borders you say?
peak dirge
Not only do I live close to Alabama, but I've been there
frigid shadow
the other discord is actually funny
peak dirge
Going to Alabama is like going into a third-world country
finite wave
?
frigid shadow
"I don't use EssentialsX because is bad"
finite wave
Ah cmi?
frigid shadow
no spigot disc
peak dirge
"use cmi pls i am dummi and need gui 4 everything"
oh god they want to use Spigot-Essentials?
frigid shadow
obv
marble lark
Going to Alabama is like going into a third-world country
@peak dirge Is it really that bad
I've heard all the incest jokes and shit but I thought they were just out of context/made up jokes lmao
wide chasm
I mean, America in general is just like a third world country
runs
marble lark
I mean, America in general is just like a third world country
runs
@wide chasm I side that 😉
peak dirge
Not all of Alabama is like a third-world country, but a significant portion of it is
@wide chasm actually, you're right... America is a third-world country with a Gucci bag
peak dirge
lemme watch that
marble lark
I mean, America in general is just like a third world country
runs
@wide chasm Honestly I don't even mind if China takes over anymore if it just makes all the crazy Americans shut up
worn ember
i loved that episode
marble lark
Feel bad for the normal people in America that get dragged into this all the time
frigid shadow
have you ever seen the top gear alabama video
@twin lagoon yea the lady at the gas station called the boys
marble lark
i'd be some what concerned about china
@twin lagoon yeah but at this point
worn ember
marble lark
it's either the demon or the deep blue sea
marble lark
Btw does anyone know what the hell this does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmlvk9GAto
@frigid shadow "AltRightTV.com" XD
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track distance from a POI?
steel pulsar
some sort of conputer language
maybe you should delete that other post and put it in the other channel
marble lark
track distance from a POI?
I meant the getLevelFromSource part
It checks for a Village Center or something
marble lark
I think the Village handler code is extended from some sort of Chunk Manager but I have no idea how it works
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check in an IDE where it's called and for what purpose?
frigid shadow
firefox - ignoring settings since XP
waxen panther
warm anchor
🥦
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helo 🅱️elocity god
peak dirge
Can confirm that if you say "Hillary for president" in a rural area in the South, you will be ruined
marble lark
Can confirm that if you say "Hillary for president" in a rural area in the South, you will be ruined
@peak dirge Isn't that anywhere in America
from what I see Hillary is pretty hated everywhere
upper flicker
that's an old meme too, there is an old top gear episode of them driving through the deep south with that and other slogans painted on cars
marble lark
whether for a good reason or not I don't know
peak dirge
Not in a liberal big city. Hillary is at worst disliked.
upper flicker
though they dramatized it a lot, because of course they did
upper flicker
nice
anyway if this is going to veer off into politics it needs to go in #politics
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@twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
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whatchu up to x
twin lagoon
warzone
twin lagoon
monkaW
marble lark
abstract class Entity extends Location
What in the world
So if anyone ever goes to Arnhem, ulees & co is amazing
@vernal moth Damnnnnn
dude that steak looks so good
@native quartz fries look better 😉
magic ice
Welcome to pocketmine 😂
marble lark
Welcome to pocketmine 😂
@magic ice not pocketmine
it's a fork of PMMP
that added entity support
magic ice
Ah Steadfast
marble lark
they didn't do too good a job :/
native quartz
ask them to make you a branch so you can make it better
and you right the fries do look better too
they 100% wont make you a branch but worth a shot
marble lark
ask them to make you a branch so you can make it better
@native quartz I already forked it but I have no clue where to start because there's 89 errors in each class
native quartz
Are you missing dependencies?
marble lark
Also the maintainers don't accept PRs
Are you missing dependencies?
@native quartz nope
native quartz
realllyy? hm, what is this called?
marble lark
they didn't bother to add imports properly
realllyy? hm, what is this called?
@native quartz Hydreon/Steadfast2
vernal moth
It's php, its never compiled 😂
native quartz
wait yeah it is php
vernal moth
Also, why don't you use webstorm?
marble lark
It's php, its never compiled 😂
@vernal moth I know but it's exported to a PHAR
crimson jasper
Does anyone remember a video of near seamless sharding that was posted here around the time of the 1.16.1 update?
vernal moth
I have no idea what that is
marble lark
what's webstorm
vernal moth
I don't do legacy tech
native quartz
I too have no idea what a PHAR is
cunning raft
PHAR is just a zip file pretty much
vernal moth
Webstorm is jetbrains ide for web stuff
cunning raft
doesn't compile anything
vernal moth
I guess you can even use php storm
magic ice
If you’re wanting to run a bedrock software, I’d highly recommend you use something like Nukkit for the time being. Although it’s essentially just pocketmine but in java, it’s been cleaned up a decent amount and the current maintainers are much more open to accepting contributions
It’s currently undergoing a (almost full) rewrite which is much nicer. Not ready for production use yet but it will be soon 😄
vernal moth
A jar is just a zip too
marble lark
I have no idea what that is
@vernal moth a PHAR file is essentially PHP's equivalent of a JAR
cunning raft
o
no*
jar contains compiled class files
phar is literally a zip
which contains php files
native quartz
I dont even do java lmao, ill stick with my web development
cunning raft
which are not compiled because you don't compile php
marble lark
phar is literally a zip
@cunning raft ...surely it at least checks for errors while zipping?
cunning raft
no
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a jar is also literally a zip, but yes the difference is important
cunning raft
you can shove anything you want
potent fossil
so far native bedrock servers in my experience have been absolute ass, have had best experience with paper+geyser
marble lark
If you’re wanting to run a bedrock software, I’d highly recommend you use something like Nukkit for the time being. Although it’s essentially just pocketmine but in java, it’s been cleaned up a decent amount and the current maintainers are much more open to accepting contributions
It’s currently undergoing a (almost full) rewrite which is much nicer. Not ready for production use yet but it will be soon 😄
@magic ice I know I have both Nukkit and MiNET
both are amazing
cunning raft
mineplex uses some custom ass spigot build that uses parts of geyser and parts of some md_5 hack he made for them
magic ice
Lol
native quartz
mineplex
cunning raft
they used to use pocketmine before they got a ms deal
marble lark
I'd say they're actually better than Mojang's Bedrock Dedicated Server too
they used to use pocketmine before they got a ms deal
@cunning raft Y'know what at least they're using something that actually works
magic ice
BDS has terrible performance 😂
I mean mineplex bedrock was recently attacked with a bunch of nbt exploits
I think it’s under control now though
marble lark
they used to use pocketmine before they got a ms deal
@cunning raft The fork that I showed above is used by one of Microsoft's partnered servers
magic ice
People were able to hack in items and stuff, was pretty bad
marble lark
no wonder I always had a horrific experience playing on Lifeboat jesus christ
cunning raft
Right now, mineplex uses the spigot-geyser-md_5 hackery java build
so they share (some-of) their codebase between platforms
marble lark
I would never run an actual bedrock server. Would always do geyser if possible
@spare venture Bedrock servers let you implement your own stuff though which can be fun
because usually they don't implement many core game mechanics
potent fossil
the only good thing about bedrock is the nice GUIs they are spoiled with, other than that ass
marble lark
well it's fun unless the fork you're working with is Steadfast
the only good thing about bedrock is the nice GUIs they are spoiled with, other than that ass
^
frigid shadow
the only good thing about bedrock is the nice GUIs they are spoiled with, other than that ass
@potent fossil and the performance :D
potent fossil
done properly, performance really isn't a concern for most people
marble lark
@potent fossil and the performance :D
@frigid shadow didn't 1.16.2 improve performance at least graphics wise
frigid shadow
You get 60 fps on bedrock with a potato
potent fossil
it's only a problem when silly kids are like "hwa i wanna run serburrrrrrr but...mommy wont gib cc....how free??? wait why am i agging"
marble lark
You get 60 fps on bedrock with a potato
@frigid shadow I was talking about Java...
I got 100+ fps in 1.16.2 on vanilla on a potato
I never ever got over 40 before
frigid shadow
I dont like that my GPU needs to turn on its fan just for mc java
Mc bedrock is quiet except on rtx
marble lark
I dont like that my GPU needs to turn on its fan just for mc java
@frigid shadow True but for me any game I play turns the fan on
spice finch
Did someone experience a bit "flashing" screen with IntellIJ open?
marble lark
One thing I can say for sure is that Java has prettier graphics even if it comes at a cost
potent fossil
flashing
magic ice
The performance of the bedrock client is much better than java. I’d argue it’s more “unstable” when it comes to just general crashes, but overall performance is much better than that of java
marble lark
Bedrock looks like someone tried to make MC from memory after forgetting how MC looked like
here's hoping that the Vulkan specialist Mojang hired finally improves Java
frigid shadow
If everyone plays bedrock instead of java, we can turn down one nuclear power plant
magic ice
With that being said though I still prefer the look and feel of the java client