so this is ok?
#general
slender jay
are you trying to say you just installed ptero
void void
man its 3am
warm anchor
Itβs ok we roast people itβs what we do
unique snow
If this process isn't painful you wont remember
warm anchor
I will be easier tbh
void void
how
void void
literally copypasting commands
slender jay
copy pasting commands is very hard
void void
yes
red imp
oh if it's just copy pasting then I could do it
twin lagoon
i
red imp
but our engineer reinstalled it few times too
twin lagoon
hate
red imp
there were some problems with mysql etc.
twin lagoon
this
warm anchor
Itβs literally designed so beginner can do it
warm anchor
slender jay
twin lagoon
with the arrow keys
slender jay
OH SWEET JESUS
unique snow
write = save
twin lagoon
fuck this i'm out
unique snow
i.e. write changes to the partition table
red imp
vps is so difficult to understand π
red imp
golden minecraft
red imp
and golden programming like python, php etc. π everything is easier than vps π
slender jay
why cant people google
unique snow
This is a linux CLI, not really related to VPS
twin lagoon
you don't need to have golden vps skills to interact with your arrow keys
unique snow
Not ribbing, just explaining, you've had enough
void void
calling them vps skills at first place
red imp
but guys
twin lagoon
look we gotta name it vps skills
red imp
why is -df h still showing there 97%?
slender jay
oh no there is more
void void
need to relearn everything when moving on to dedicates uhuh
twin lagoon
it's e a s i e r to understand
void void
renzotom now there's vol2
twin lagoon
i have good vps & dedicated skills
void void
what's your root filesystem type
twin lagoon
exFAT*
unique snow
yeah this painful process has just started
red imp
mikroskeem don't know what do you mean π
void void
zbk ur fat32
red imp
command to discover?
twin lagoon
warm anchor
Heβs calling you fat bro
void void
type mount
red imp
mount show big spam
slender jay
this chat hurts but i cant stop reading
twin lagoon
show us the big spam
slender jay
mount show big spam
warm anchor
Same
slender jay
pin that please
twin lagoon
the big spam & the vps skills
unique snow
mount | grep /dev/sda
red imp
still up?
slender jay
dude you scrolled up to yesterday
void void
yeah grepping is easier at this point
warm anchor
red imp
So what to do now? π
unique snow
He's using docker so don't bother trying to find it
do the command I said
mount | grep /dev/sda
There I copied it for you, you don't need vps skills π
red imp
slender jay
dont you dare bring regex into this
void void
resize2fs /dev/sda2
red imp
it'S command?
void void
yes
unique snow
yea
warm anchor
Donβt miss anything type in 100% that
red imp
done
vagrant niche
oi who tf fkng kicked me
void void
there you go
unique snow
me
vagrant niche
and this 10 min wait is retarded
red imp
And how could I see if anything isn't broken now?
slender jay
its not
warm anchor
It wonβt
red imp
ok, nice
warm anchor
Yβall roast him so much. Heβs pretty well cooked now
vagrant niche
tf kind of shit u did that you didnt get the whole 200gb
unique snow
Yeah, well, he'll probably remember this if he has a problem again
unique snow
And will be able to figure it out a lot easier than this time
vagrant niche
ye, do enter instead of clicking
red imp
Btw my hosting provider told me that I should split my Survival servers to more servers - for MIning world (so one server), for main world with protection (second one), for spawn etc. (third one).
But there's problem with some plugins that don't use database... Don't know if I want to risk it. They suggested me to use something for sharing datas, something like samba, when we started vps guys, don't you wanna help me install samba and get it work? π
unique snow
For reference, that screen where you were trying to click is a command line, like windows cmd prompt.
vagrant niche
Your hosting provider? Arent ya on a VPS
red imp
Yeah I'm, and that's why they said me this
vagrant niche
so buy more servers from them?
void void
β
red imp
to have better threading and to let be cpu better
void void
whatever i'm off to sleep
vagrant niche
Tell them get lost and get a dedi
red imp
they said it's better to split plugins on multiple servers, like Hypixel do
slender jay
woah there
warm anchor
unique snow
Yeah that's how they make more money
red imp
For me it sound a little bit crazy to split one server to more servers
no it's on vps π
unique snow
Get you to buy a server for each plugin
warm anchor
red imp
but they told me that it would be better for perfomance, cpu, threading etc.
warm anchor
Itβs sales talk
vagrant niche
Which host,
slender jay
imagine dealing with a dedi
vagrant niche
tell us so we can make fun of em
red imp
what¨'s dedi
vagrant niche
dedi nutz
red imp
??
warm anchor
Lmao
twin lagoon
lax jesus christ
void void
wrf
twin lagoon
warm anchor
Rofl
warm anchor
Dedi stands for dedicated @red imp
unique snow
I just spat my coffee..
warm anchor
It means you get a physical machine in a data center
vagrant niche
yeah, just dont do an rm -rf command.
red imp
Oh, I though π
jolly crown
what is going on in here
red imp
Virtual server and dedicated server
warm anchor
@jolly crown scroll up. Itβs comedy gold
jolly crown
I
red imp
I know that π but didn't hear this abbreviation
jolly crown
Iβve been reading it and
warm anchor
Itβs when paper discord comes together to do tier 1 tech support
jolly crown
π§
slender jay
well at least he learned how to google
unique snow
Glad we managed to get it sorted, but also glad you were a good sport Renz
vagrant niche
At least this guy has more IQ than the person who kicked me earlier π‘
twin lagoon
not really
vagrant niche
.g repartition disk
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.dummies.com/computers/pcs/how-to-repartition-a-disk-drive-in-windows/ -- How to Repartition a Disk Drive in Windows - dummies: "How to Repartition a Disk Drive in Windows. By Dan Gookin. The art of repartitioning involves several steps in Windows. The drive must first be..."
vagrant niche
ta dah
jolly crown
windows
void void
.g linux repartition disk cli
vagrant niche
then add linux
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://opensource.com/article/18/6/how-partition-disk-linux -- How to partition a disk in Linux | Opensource.com: "Jun 11, 2018 ... In most cases, large storage devices are divided into separate sections called partitions. Partitioning also allows you to divide..."
unique snow
Don't use vps in your google search, use "how to do x in linux"
warm anchor
Just search on YouTube
red imp
yeah but I don't know that it's called repartition, and don't know what's "cli"
warm anchor
There will always be one Indian guy teaching you the most crazy basic shit
No joke
Lmao
vagrant niche
you dont want that
void void
samba is cancer
vagrant niche
cuz u dont know that
void void
and ye
slender jay
can you please enroll in the first linux course you can find
red imp
could you suggest me good one?
slender jay
you are trying to write a poem but you hardly know the alphabet let alone the words
red imp
π
limber knotBOT
Spoonfeed a newbie for a day and they'll come back with more questions. Teach them to find their own answers and you'll both be better off: you won't get stuck answering the easy questions and they'll be much more productive than before.
red imp
yeah I can google one, but maybe you know good one
unkempt drift
Looks like googles play store booted Fortnite as well
Can still download other ways on android tho
warm anchor
Lol
muted siren
samba is cancer
@void void brazilian men (me):
limber knotBOT
Yay?
potent fossil
I mean yea, I didn't want to be gouged for something I didn't cause
warm anchor
I mean you can pay them still π
potent fossil
Battery expanded and broke the backplate, they took one look and said it'd be free under quality control.
So, that's a plus.
wat
limber knotBOT
Nice
potent fossil
Well, I've heard horror stories.
So I wasn't sure what to expect, but yeah the people in the store were super nice about it.
Also they're handling social distancing great.
limber knotBOT
If you're under warranty they'll do whatever they can, if not you're screwed
potent fossil
I'm not under warranty.
That's why it's surprising.
Correct
I didn't cause the issue
warm anchor
Your mileage will vary if itβs not Apple tbh
potent fossil
But I WAS prepared to buy a new battery, today. I moved money specifically for it.
Just happy I didn't need to spend it.
I'll buy dinner instead.
Yeah, so here's the thing. Apple had a program for this exact problem on an older model. Mine wasn't covered, so I was like fuck.
I looked it up and it said if under warranty, free. So I was like cool. Checked, out of warranty so I was like fuck.
But, yeah. Free.
Good stuff.
Only thing is it's gonna take bout 2 weeks, which is nbd. Been using my desktop anyway.
2 weeks for free repair, I ain't bitching.
golden gust
Tbqh, all OEMs suck hard these days
unique snow
@minor badge sorry to ping you, did your freezing issue occur on a world with either structures or villages disabled?
limber knotBOT
potent fossil
then yea...you need ===
=== is like Java's .equals, == is like Java's ==.
If that helps.
limber knotBOT
ah
unique snow
1 is assignment, 2 is kinda looks like maybe it is, 3 is probably is the same thing, 4 is most probably is the same thing, 5 is ye it's the same.
sarcasm obv
potent fossil
As for what it means, it means that prefix and undefined are different types so when using == JS is gonna try and coerce one of the two into the same type as the other for checking whereas === is going to look at it objectively and immediately return false if they're not the same type.
vagrant niche
That's why you should use a sane language like python
worn ember
python
language
vagrant niche
simp u wanna play hypixel skyblock
unique snow
Use a compiled lang tbh
Yeah they're good for a quick solution to a big problem that would take you a lot longer, that you're probably not going to have to solve again
Python is my go to lang when manipulating data that I probably wont need to manipulate again
potent fossil
na
unique snow
ECMAScript is very slowly dying though
potent fossil
ECMAScript is just the standard
Are you trying to say there is a new standard emerging?
unique snow
WASM
potent fossil
That's not JS tho
That's WASM
It might be written in JS, but it gets compiled to machine code.
JS is still standardized by ECMA.
unique snow
My point is you can virtually do anything that JS can do in WASM more efficiently. Just predicting it will become more popular than JS.
In a lot of ways you can do a whole lot more with WASM, think there are only a few areas it's lacking.
potent fossil
I mean perhaps, but I don't see ECMA dying because of it.
They'll still need to be there for those who like to use JS with WASM
unique snow
Well I don't think it'll die anytime soon, as I said very slowly.
potent fossil
I suppose we'll see
potent fossil
Probably
unique snow
That's where it'll get a huge boost.. since most developers know JS already.
potent fossil
I should say ECMAScript, ECMA is just the organization and I highly doubt they're going anywhere. They DO do ECMAScript but they do a lot more than that too
unique snow
Yeah, I know what you meant.
It was trivial semantics not worth making a fuss over.
I believe what ECMA will do is make a standard for compiling ECMAScript to WASM
Which isn't ECMAScript dying per se, but it would greatly reduce the current way it's mostly used.
potent fossil
Hmm, could be.
toxic ember
so when you send a mob or entity through a nether portal
is it supposed to disappear when it goes to the other side
or is it meant to make it through
latent valve
Bcuz there no player on the otherside to "load" them
toxic ember
yeah but is this vanilla behavior?
limber knotBOT
viral hornet
Regarding #742779128868241550, is that not an issue with Spigot or something?
unreal quarry
It's a vanilla issue
unique snow
Vanilla
There's also a freezing while generating chunks issue that has an unknown trigger
I think it's vanilla and related to the other issue, but it may not be. Seems to be only on upgraded worlds thus far.
toxic ember
ah ok
it started happening to me this week
I thought to myself that it wasn't happening before
unique snow
The freezing issue?
viral hornet
Yeah, I just didn't see md_5 mention anything about it, so wanted to check that it wasn't just a Paper issue. π
toxic ember
wanted to make sure I wasn't going insane
Yeah I didn't think it was paper
I just find that the general chat here is a good place to ask about minecraft related topics
unique snow
If you're having the freezing issue I'd like to know a bit more about your specific situation so I can figure out a way to replicate it.. so I can test it on vanilla.
toxic ember
No freezing issue
unique snow
Ah okay
toxic ember
I am referring to the nether portal mobs dissapearing
unique snow
Have you guys tried with per player spawns disabled?
toxic ember
I have not
golden gust
per-player has nothing to do with that
toxic ember
I am specifically trying it with guardians
unique snow
Ah okay.
lean kiln
I think you may need a player on the other side as hostiles despawn? I might be wrong
unique snow
That's what I was thinking in relation to per player, but zzzCat would know better than I.
worn ember
nether should corrupt worlds
through portals
and instantly kill everyone on the server
peak ginkgo
How do I force remake the end portal 
toxic ember
@spare venture half my playerbase consist of the technical players
that you so much hate
woe is me
peak ginkgo
I punched it out and now I need it back but I don't know... what to... modify
Built it
potent fossil
I have some on a server I manage. I told them we aren't following vanilla word-for-word due to performance and if they have problems with it they can play elsewhere.
They left. :)
worn ember
"do you like to build technical redstone machines?"
"yes"
you have been banned by an operator
potent fossil
I have ppl who do that..uh
What's the dudes name, starts with M
he made a 128 block high farm, and literally every single one of them tried to replicate it
the amount of fucking bitching i got, cuz optimize guide drops the default 128 activation range to 96
their insane farms wouldn't work as a result
I told them to fuck off, then WE'd it to air right in front of them.
Gave them mats.
serene bolt
ilmango made it 
i want to make it too
potent fossil
right, that guy
worn ember
i like how intellij just shits itself when you add modules to an existing project
wintry kayak
I remember a 'technical player' making the sand placing draining machine from ilmango. First he was already annoyed that he couldn't dupe sand... Then we would place kelp while he was afk. He ended up just ragequitting after most of his sand despawning
unique snow
My server mob farms are banned. I made a community one for people to share. If there are issues I just modify it.
serene bolt
i just use ilmangos channel as a tutorial on what I need to nerf or block
no fun allowed
wintry kayak
Nice
static badge
I use his channel as a ref for what to fix
serene bolt
it's fun for like 5 minutes until you're swimming in every material you'd ever need and then you get bored and quit
fallen oracle
Just don't dupe?
limber knotBOT
great choice
worn ember
hmm should i keep it like this or swap it around so its SectionName?
peak ginkgo
Starting to get close to my max disk space because my worlds are huge, is there anything I can do or do I just ask my host nicely for more storage
(48987 / 50000 MB)
grand pewter
ask for more
warm anchor
tell them you are big name youtubers and you need more space 
peak ginkgo
@warm anchor That would be correct, we are and did :P
warm anchor
ask for more
worn ember
@spare venture wym?
yeah the only reason i'd put it in front is for easier access
so i can just type section and autocomplete
that might be easier tbh
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) It would really suck to get hiccups during the last few minutes... : Showerthoughts - 10 comments, 47 points - stumpjungle, 6d ago
carmine shell
is the chew weabhook down
limber knotBOT
Is that what we're calling it
!stats
Uptime: 13 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes, 38 seconds
Message Handling: 3ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 22708 (6.835%)
Messages from Discord: 309534 (93.17%)
carmine shell
yes
limber knotBOT
Oh no it's receding
limber knotBOT
greetings, i am simplebot
carmine shell
hi
golden gust
yup, it's defo simple
carmine shell
is that all it does?
limber knotBOT
unknown command.
carmine shell
i guess so
potent fossil
dumbass bot
carmine shell
simplebot
limber knotBOT
please specify a command.
carmine shell
simplebot help
limber knotBOT
unknown command.
carmine shell
simplebot list commands
limber knotBOT
unknown command.
carmine shell
does it have any commands?
potent fossil
no
limber knotBOT
unknown command.
potent fossil
fucking idiot
limber knotBOT
unknown command.
carmine shell
^
potent fossil
yes
potent fossil
yep
carmine shell
so 1 command?
potent fossil
i guess so
carmine shell
i thought webhooks had to be controlled by a bot
carmine shell
so webhooks can read messages
carmine shell
i didnt know that websockets existed
limber knotBOT
its how you're chatting!
potent fossil
Basically the bots sit in a different system and get messages relayed from discord, and then they send a webhook request to discord and that appears as a chat msg.
carmine shell
yes
potent fossil
So those ones are not discord bots. They're just bots, that can receive discord messages.
carmine shell
what ai does it use
carmine shell
what about chew
potent fossil
idk i didnt write chew
limber knotBOT
question whats the best way to handle i18n for plugins
potent fossil
lang files using the iso code and then have the user set desired iso code in conf, and then load proper message file
keys can be in english just change the content
limber knotBOT
ah
potent fossil
also @carmine shell if you can't tell already we're trolling the fuck out of you
i was simplebot
carmine shell
i guessed that
limber knotBOT
rails has locale files so all I need to do is I18n.t("key") and it handles the rest
serene bolt
I didn't, I was convinced
potent fossil
:(
serene bolt
I feel cheated
limber knotBOT
carmine shell
Ρf thΠ΅ bΞΏtΡ ΡΠ°ΥΈ rΠ΅Π°β Ύ thΡΡ thΠ΅Ρ Π΅ΡthΠ΅r Π°rΠ΅ rΠ΅Π°β Όβ ΌΡ ΡΠΎΤΠ΅rfΥ½β Ό ΞΏr Π°rΠ΅ ΡΥ½Ρt hΥ½β ΏΠ°ΥΈΡ
limber knotBOT
i can read that easly
carmine shell
π
merry talon
for aussies
limber knotBOT
all that I18n class in Rails does is probably check the config for what ISO code is defined, then load the proper message file.
so, the same thing
Yeah, you specify the locale and it grabs it from the config/locale/(locale).yml
yeye
ahh 2 days in C# and i forgot java
void void
yeah I did that with unity...
I couldn't stop capitalizing my public functions π¬
It's weird because that's actually a pretty good practice
but it looks sooo wrong in java
void void
yeah basically
normal mulch
Does anyone have an issue with the server automatically switching to port 25565 after a restart?
potent fossil
Pterodactyl will do that if its game port is set to 25565.
normal mulch
I am using my own dedicated server
potent fossil
Yeah, are you using ptero on it? Ptero is just a panel you install
normal mulch
Nope
potent fossil
Or are you just running java
normal mulch
Just running java
potent fossil
Have no experienced that, send your startup script / line and logs
normal mulch
The server OS is CentOS 7
potent fossil
?paste
potent fossil
.paste
limber knotBOT
Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg
normal mulch
Do we move it to paper help?
potent fossil
Yes, send the paste(s) there
untold copper
serene bolt
why are you griefing the channel
limber knotBOT
ancient bolt
cosmic raft
hi pure
ancient bolt
I had poached salmon with these extra special juicy tomatos that only get ripe at this time of year and corn
cosmic raft
McDonalds tonight, had non-fastfood for a bit :P
serene bolt
dang demons eating fancy and kash is eating fancy without effort :P
unreal quarry
@untold copper look out back there..
ancient bolt
I eat sooo much fancier now that my SO is living with me during COVID...
potent fossil
So, idk if this is just some brain hack or what, but drinking directly out of a big bottle is kinda hard. So I just bring a (big) glass with me and every hour I pour a 16oz cuppa water and chug it.
Doing it this way a gallon aint shit.
mental meadow
.wa 16oz in liter
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Result: 0.4732 L (liters) - https://is.gd/PcMLwd
mental meadow
I just drink out of 1.5l bottles π
potent fossil
I have a ~1.9L bottle (64oz) and that's the kind of "big" I'm talking about. I can do it, but i find it harder to get a whole gallon down like that
mental meadow
I don't drink fast, I just take a small sip every 30 seconds or so
potent fossil
every 30 seconds o.o
mental meadow
everyone hates me for it but in the end I drink way more
yeah idk
I just do it subconciously
potent fossil
I will some time, but this is just something I discovered like yesterday
mental meadow
just install a pipe from the tap directly to your mouth
potent fossil
The big bottle is a hydroflask
I suppose I can get the different lid that has an adapter for easier drinking.
Not sure if I'd like it more than a cup tho
I have a wide mouth version
Need an adapter for that
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.yeti.com/en_US/drinkware/rambler-20-oz-tumbler/YRAM20.html -- YETI Rambler 20 oz Tumbler With MagSlider Lid: "Our YETI Rambler 20 oz. Tumbler is dishwasher safe and is made of kitchen-grade stainless steel. Double-wall vacuum insulated, choose from many..."
potent fossil
Hydroflask also sells tumblers
Kek
Yeah, I would lose that fast
TIL hydroflask has special bottles for coffee, beer, and wine.
mental meadow
thats a big issue especially when you carry them around in a bagpack
potent fossil
And a case for food.
mental meadow
but then, it's not like I don't hve stuff leaking in my handbag every other day
potent fossil
Poor barty
@vagrant niche https://owo.whats-th.is/21vfGDe.png
im fucking...
lmao
"Hey guys! I got the Russian vaccine for COVID and for those of you scared (that) it wasn't tested, I tried it and am happy to report that (there are) no (edit: in fake Russian kek) side-effects...(trails off into Russian)"
main patrol
lol
potent fossil
Just perfect
vagrant niche
lol simp
stable berry
f
void void
Thoughts on PunishmentGUI
limber knotBOT
woudnt it be less efficient than just typing the command manually
potent fossil
not necessarily that plugin, but punishment systems with pre-set reasons and durations is the best way to do it.
otherwise you end up with bans that have no reasons and months later you're like "why" and your staff are like "idk"
potent fossil
unless you vet every staff member and train them precisely, i guess
void void
Like /banlist
potent fossil
but at that point better pay them
void void
Old but gold
limber knotBOT
ayy billy is a contrib again
potent fossil
Heading to bed, peace 
ancient bolt
remapping from srg back to spigot is giving me some weird
mighty storm
πΊοΈ
ancient bolt
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalStateException: No binding for qualified name node p_70932_1_.world
This is gonna be fun
That is just
wat
oh damn
okay
@vernal moth around?
vernal moth
Ye
ancient bolt
getting something wacky with mercury, curious if you know about it
vernal moth
I added that error message ^^
Before it would just throw an NPE
Normally this was caused by a missing dependency
ancient bolt
seems my parameter rename operation isn't renaming all of the uses of the parameter
just the parameter declaration
I wrote a parameter name remapper already for the srg parameters and it works fine...so this is new
oh shit
I know what it is
damn nevermind, ignore me
I wrote the original renamer correctly
vernal moth
Dw, am happy to play the rubber duck
ancient bolt
The second one I...only renamed the declaration 
remapping back and forth is a lot of throwing every jar I can find at the classpath in hopes that it'll contain the bindings I need
@vernal moth the hardest problem that needs solving here is how to handle API patches
API patches along the way add things or remove things that the server depends on
but there's no 1:1 correspondance for API to Server patches
vernal moth
Does it nessasarily need to compile for remapping?
ancient bolt
no but the bindings needs to resolve
toxic ember
seem to be having issues with world guards greet flag
vernal moth
Like, what happens if you do your patch magic with a fully patched api
toxic ember
I have a test server loaded with the same plugins and it works on that
ancient bolt
fully patched API removes pluginParentTimer from JavaPluginLoader, causing the remap to fail
vernal moth
I would recommend you to go to the worldguard help discord then dimo π
ancient bolt
so that's one issue at least
vernal moth
Oh god
ancient bolt
One...awful solution is start with no API patches applied, and remap as many patches as possible until it fails
then start applying API patches until the next remap succeeds
rinse and repeat
ancient bolt
Is there another solution? lmao
vernal moth
But there is no way to know which patch corresponds to which API patch
vernal moth
We have 700 patches, have fun on that
ancient bolt
don't patches have the origina time stamps they were created on them?
Like the patch files themselves contain their original timestamp
vernal moth
Yes! That could work
ancient bolt
I could match them up that way
vernal moth
But those will not be identical
Just like, minutes apart
In ideal cases
I could finish API and commit impl the next day
ancient bolt
just needs a heuristic, if it's within 1 day (or hour or w/e) or the patch comes later, then it matches
vernal moth
But it's a mostly complete history
unreal quarry
Like the patch files themselves contain their original timestamp
@ancient bolt dont rely on that https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/4101/files#diff-ef4cd4f6be0a7860e251781a97909f55R3 they get changed for various reasons
ancient bolt
oh god why
vernal moth
That was such a nice solution tho
And it should still mostly work
So you would do try and error, but use timestamps for better guesses
ancient bolt
We can hope that it would work most of the time, only specific large breaking patches like the timings patch should really be breaking this
well I'll need to play with that some more, that will likely be a bitch and a half to deal with
my parameter remap code isn't quite perfect it seems, I think I know why. There's a better way to handle it though.
Will continue later
Honestly the brute force method may be easiest to implement...with hopes that it's not an issue which comes up very often
But I'll need to do some experimenting on that
minor badge
@unique snow no, default world
tropic ruin
Hello. Is Paper compatible with most Spigot plugins?
unique snow
Hmm okay. I wonder if it's related to the spawn chunk lighting bug.
I believe they're all compatible.
tropic ruin
π
unique snow
I would assume if one is not, it's probably pretty badly coded.
tropic ruin
And lastly, what are the differences between Paper and Spigot?
Is there some easy-reading literature I can read about it?
unique snow
Well, you could probably google that, but my impression is that PaperMC has a lot of bug fixes spigot doens't have, including a lot of dupe fixes. Additionally has better performance.
minor badge
we're planning to get that done, but not atm, no
paper's focus is performance, fixing bugs, and fixing game inconsistencies
unique snow
Also from my experience if you want Spigot help you're more likely to get a hostile response from the Spigot community.
Compared to Paper help in the Paper community that is.
tropic ruin
Excellent. Oh I've had some hostility from the Spigot community.
A lot of people there play power games. If you don't take their advice unconditionally, you are somehow a "know it all".
unique snow
I did too, not that I cared, but it was useless noise that doesn't actually get anywhere. "Don't do that you idiot" vs "You shouldn't do that, it's really dangerous, but here's how".
cosmic raft
@minor badge I just realised something and now I am sad
if your name was "her/she" instead of "she/her" you would be "Proximyst (her/she)"
and then add "kisses" to the end
tropic ruin
I get frustrated with people on Spigot website who think that I should take their advice on aesthetics, which I think you'll agree is a very subjective thing. That's the power game they play.
unique snow
Also Halbart, generally Spigot rushes to get a new release out. PaperMC take a bit longer but usually it's more stable when released in my experience.
tropic ruin
Yeah, James, I've just made the decision to go with Paper. Thanks for the info. π
unique snow
No worries. OH! Also it's easier to run.
Updating is as simple as a jar replacement.
minor badge
@cosmic raft i am not hersheys kisses
unique snow
No clue how I forgot that, it's like the best part.
twin dirge
cosmic raft
:c
twin dirge
why r u sad?
cosmic raft
proxi is not wanting to be chocolate
twin dirge
oh
quasi valley
that's heresy
mental meadow
proxi do you want to be kisses
minor badge
i wanna be kash's kisses, not hershey's π
mental meadow
you can be my kisses owo
minor badge
uwu
mental meadow
all the kisses
we ordered ribs yesterday and they had so much garlic in them I made my gf brush her teeth like 3 times but I still couldnt kiss her so now I'm severely underkisseed
unique snow
Tongue needs a brush too usually
potent fossil
Yea, you should get a tongue scraper like an orabrush. You'd be amazed at the shit sitting on your tongue.
twin lagoon
hello
mental meadow
I heard good things about them. there are bad ones on the back of most toothbrushes but whenever I try that I almost have to puke
potent fossil
Make a fist with your left hand, it tends to lessen the gag reflex.
I know because reasons.
olive garden
and how can you make yourself puke more easily?
potent fossil
Touch your uvula.
mental meadow
uwula?
potent fossil
The thing hanging at the back of your throat.
olive garden
that's hard
potent fossil
Well, that's how you do it. So.
mental meadow
it should be soft not hard
olive garden
π
twin lagoon
aurora uwu
mental meadow
have a nice sleep
spice finch
sleeping at 11AM smh
twin lagoon
spice finch
what a dogo π
quick orchid
hoy
I seem to get this error in my console
java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: The method getAllowFlight is not supported for temporary players
What are temporary players, probably players that are !player.isOnline() ?
like the leftover object of the player after he left the server before it got cleaned?
or am I mistaken here
quasi valley
ProtocolLib's temporary player
olive garden
ur slow
quick orchid
huh
mental meadow
probably protocollib
void void
slowest viaver release in history
quick orchid
yeah I do use ProtocolLib in my plugin
void void
π©
tranquil bone
is that ur doggo @twin lagoon
twin lagoon
no
mental meadow
Michael succesfully catfishing with cute dogs
worn ember
My dad playing for the whole neighborhood again. I just wanna sleep smh
hardy moth
https://youtu.be/A9sHvC8iyOk dont watch this actual garbage especially if your the subject of the garbage
i shill
olive garden
So I'm thinking about setting up some nice terminal/bash environment on linux. Does installing WSL 1 and using the WSL console for basically everything that needs a console (git, mvn/gradle, grepping log files) seem like a good idea? I don't want to use WSL 2, because I want to use the windows filesystem: I don't want to have to deal with 2 separate filesystems.
olive garden
But if I were to use WSL2, then I would be limited to using WSL2, since the files would be in a different filesystem
or am I wrong?
spice finch
You can access WSL2 filesystem from windows explorer and vice versa
olive garden
Then I am definitely missing something.
If I copy-paste a project onto my SSD in windows, would I be able to compile it in WSL2?
spice finch
yes you will
finite wave
Itβll be slower tho
spice finch
yep
finite wave
Maybe
olive garden
I think I can't read, it's written right there lmao
spice finch
I was building paper like 5 minutes and cancelled (./paper jar on WSL2, when project was on NTFS)
spice finch
finite wave
Bad
spice finch
so you can access your NTFS from linux shell
olive garden
But it's going to be slower than if I were to use WSL1
finite wave
I mean it might be slower with patches and shit
unreal quarry
you could always just install linux. join us 
finite wave
Nty
worn ember
Who is that?
Never heard of him
unreal quarry
hell, even leaf uses linux in a VM because it's faster than WSL
frigid shadow
wsl2 is v good
quasi valley
cause it's easy
olive garden
okay, what's a good terminal for windows? I obviously want multiple tabs, scrolling, whatever
quasi valley
and I don't think the 5 second patch process really needs to be any faster lmao
quasi valley
Windows Terminal
unreal quarry
took 10 minutes on windows last i heard
quasi valley
6 minutes on Windows, 3 Minutes on WSL1, 5 seconds on WSL2
unreal quarry
hmm. wsl2 almost as fast as linux. not bad
finite wave
Wsl2 β€οΈ
quasi valley
Trigary I'm serious lol https://i.imgur.com/aNGqYKf.png
azure flower
quasi valley
need to get it from the store yeah
finite wave
I got that
olive garden
oh okay
finite wave
Itβs great
olive garden
okay, thanks! <3
olive garden
π
minor badge
super+return and i've got a linux terminal open :>
olive garden
I installed linux a day after installing windows, is that not good enough for you?
this linux installation might be inside windows, but that's not relevant /s
frigid shadow
not as great as linux π
@unreal quarry you can have powershell, powershellcore, wsl, ... in tabs in one window. thats great enough tbh
unreal quarry
You know they got that idea from Linux, right?
frigid shadow
tabs?
unreal quarry
For your terminal, yup
frigid shadow
wow
unreal quarry
They steal most of their ideas from Linux or Apple
frigid shadow
so linux did the most windows thing first
green edge
microsoft has been embracing linux more and more for the last couple of years
waxen panther
tbf tabs isn't really an incredible leap lol, it's something that should've always existed
frigid shadow
unreal quarry
I don't think it's EEE, because even if they tried to pull the last E the community would just shrug it off and continue on as always
frigid shadow
apple stole a lot of windows ideas too π look at their iOS nowadays
green edge
removed my message for one reason:
Many enterprise clients are now able to migrate from linux to windows. Docker in windows now supports linux, so many of the reasons people would use linux and not windows are going away
now i don't see any future where linux is gone, but it can lose percentages in the server industry
worn ember
@olive garden Fluent Terminal
minor badge
i'm far more familiar with linux, so i know i'm not leaving at least; the same applies to many more, i'm sure
olive garden
too late
worn ember
wow fuk u
green edge
WSL is their approach to handling the transition
azure flower
blerg I could never bring myself to use docker on windows
Just knowing how that is implemented
unreal quarry
Same proxi. Been Linux since 2001. Windows is extremely uncomfortable to use now lol
green edge
and it allows you to run 99.9% of linux programs on windows
minor badge
i wasn't even alive in 2001, old man :>
unreal quarry
^_^
olive garden
wow, proxy is young
minor badge
or i mean, i might've been
frigid shadow
windows is extremly comfortable these days
minor badge
just not uhh born
olive garden
still young
minor badge
windows is never gonna be comfortable to me
i cannot see windows ever getting a proper package manager
frigid shadow
it has a package manager lol
olive garden
you mean you don't like the app store? /s
frigid shadow
its brand new
minor badge
it doesn't, master
frigid shadow
it does
minor badge
the joke they released is just one which downloads an MSI and installs it
worn ember
inb4 nuget packages
minor badge
with my current distro i can xbps-install -Su and it updates everything on my system
azure flower
It's cool to hate the store, but when it works it works well. Wish .msix got enough traction to make a non-msi "package manager" feasible.
green edge
i cannot see windows ever getting a proper package manager
@minor badge search for choco
frigid shadow
you could also use the windows store
olive garden
some good news though, windows no longer install candy crush by default randomly while running
finite wave
Lol
minor badge
about time lmao
latent valve
minor badge
don't know how many times i've removed candy crush from my laptop
green edge
it's the best you can do when 99% of your software isn't meant to be installed via package manager
worn ember
it only came pre installed for me?
unreal quarry
argument is futile, proxi. they've never seen a proper package manager, so they dont understand π
olive garden
last time I installed windows I saw how it appeared out of nowhere with the subtext "installing"
worn ember
well then you're calling linux's package manager trash Billy? π
frigid shadow
i use ubuntu for work n stuff so i kinda now a package manager. still i am fine with windows (+ store)
updates just cost more time
fallen jungle
I wish every single application was entirely contained in the folder it's installed to, and that every single application would let me choose exactly where to install it, and whether to have it auto-update or not
Those 3, pls
frigid shadow
but since updates CHANGE stuff maybe a package manager for regular users on windows would cause more errors than it would solve
minor badge
with windows, say i want to update ripgrep; i'd have to go to ripgrep's releases and install it
with linux, i can just xbps-install -Su ripgrep
olive garden
well, using appdata is fine if you ask me mr printer
finite wave
well then you're calling linux's package manager trash Billy? π
@worn ember which one
You dingus
worn ember
apt
fallen jungle
It's not, Trigary
twin lagoon
@minor badge uwu
worn ember
it works fine?
frigid shadow
I wish every single application was entirely contained in the folder it's installed to, and that every single application would let me choose exactly where to install it, and whether to have it auto-update or not
@fallen jungle apps from the stores are placed in containers
worn ember
ive never seen it not work at least
frigid shadow
also the new .msix install package allows autoupdates themself w/o using windowsstore
mental meadow
@twin lagoon @minor badge uwu β€οΈ
olive garden
installation directories can only be modified with admin rights, where should temporary stuff and configs go?
azure flower
I've had apt not work in various spectacular ways. To its credit though the error is usually along the lines of "run this to fix it" and it always has indeed fixed it.
fallen jungle
I'm saying this because despite my best efforts, my AppData keeps growing and I have no way to identify the files
minor badge
my main issue with apt is how unintuitive its configs are at times
fallen jungle
and my main SSD is running out of space
green edge
apt is a really mature piece of software
fallen jungle
even though I always install everything to my 1 TB HDD
green edge
windows will never have something like that while linux is still the industry standard for servers
olive garden
LMAO
mental meadow
What do you think about aptitude?
fallen jungle
Pretty sure my AppData was taking up 50% of my disk space
quasi valley
the hell did you do
fallen jungle
Nothing as far as I'm aware lol
unreal quarry
you think apt configs are unintuitive? wait until you try apt pinning multiple package versions across multiple architectures and multiple branches :3
worn ember
install gta5
fallen jungle
Or yeah I did, I installed trash software
minor badge
i don't use apt, so no need :>
fallen jungle
like Unity and Visual Studio
frigid shadow
o365 basically takes like 16-20 gb of appdata
mental meadow
I love aptitude if I need to search something
unreal quarry
people ask what version of Debian I use. I cant answer that because its a frankenstein lol
minor badge
lmao
worn ember
the one that works for me
unreal quarry
even gnome is confused. just says bullseye/sid
mental meadow
yay >
minor badge
needing the AUR
fallen jungle
5 TB drive o.o
minor badge
you should try void, no AUR necessary :>
unreal quarry
thats all disks combined, jetp
green edge
i have memories of that happening to me haha
mental meadow
But the aur is useful sometimes
worn ember
no u
mental meadow
It has multicraft
minor badge
sure, but all packages i've ever needed from the AUR is already in void's official repos
mental meadow
But I like typing in yay
minor badge
alias yay=xbps-install
worn ember
its not the same!
minor badge
π
worn ember
arch 
minor badge
i used arch for 2-3 yrs, was pretty epic but meh
fallen jungle
What's wrong with just downloading your dependencies manually from their Github pages, then compiling them in both debug and release mode and then adding them to your project
worn ember
i did that for python
fallen jungle
I still do that
green edge
use jitpack
fallen jungle
apparently there are package managers but idk
green edge
lifesaver
fallen jungle
I use C++, but there's vkpck (something along those lines) so I don't really have an excuse
minor badge
one of these days i'll try out haskell properly and be """blown away""" by whatever the hell it uses as a package manager as my friend claims
unreal quarry
What's wrong with just downloading your dependencies manually from their Github pages, then compiling them in both debug and release mode and then adding them to your project
sounds like LFS hell lol - the distro where you have to compile everything yourself. you even have to compile your compiler before you can start compiling
green edge
lmao
ashen cliff
And on the end, you are still missing a dep, that only works on Debian 6.
minor badge
i wonder what distros hetzner offers on their dedis
green edge
the main ones, and you can install any via rescue and some pain
minor badge
yeah im in their panel rn
tbh tho, i don't use anything more than bash, basic vim config, and docker on it, so i don't think i'd benefit at all from a rolling distro or large package manager
frigid shadow
So many germans around
minor badge
hmm?
frigid shadow
If you want real cheap german hosting, go for netcup
minor badge
they don't have enough storage lol
unreal quarry
netcup sounds like a banana hammock brand
minor badge
nah, netcup's a pretty decent host
frigid shadow
Yea
green edge
look at myloc too
frigid shadow
Netcup offers vps/dedicated for less than 3 big macs
green edge
do they have any public pricing for dedicated?
minor badge
their rootservers aren't dedicated*
frigid shadow
Well true
waxen panther
nerds
green edge
i meant actual dedicated
ashen cliff
Hetzner server auction also got very cheap. Thanks AMD.
frigid shadow
Well its nearly dedicated> i meant actual dedicated
@green edge
minor badge
i've got an i7-4770 server from their auction for cheap
minor badge
both of those are worse deals than available at hetzner
the 7700k is a marginally better one if u need little storage ig
frigid shadow
For 44 u get 10 dedicated cores at netcup
frigid shadow
Lol
minor badge
for 44 i can get a full ryzen 3600 (6c12t), 64gb mem, and 1tb/4tb storage
minor badge
fixed
unreal quarry
must be nice being on that side of the pond with your cheap options. here in NA its not so cheap π¦
unreal quarry
thats who i'm using
ashen cliff
We have cheap hosting, you have cheap eBay.
minor badge
ebay's cheap all over the world doe
unreal quarry
$120/mo for 7700k 64gb ddr4 512gb nvme
frigid shadow
I mean you could go for a german hoster, ping is okay from us
green edge
Look at soyoustart
ashen cliff
Can't get cheap enterprise gear on EU eBay.
green edge
it's their mid-range subsidiary