you should shave your head so it'll deflect better instead
#general
void void
spice finch
Recently I was asking about tech related YouTube channels. If someone cares, LiveOverflow is good one.
void void
wtf jan
worn ember
i feel like my giant head would just absorb it and you could put some bacon on it$
void void
portable oven 
finite wave
They are great
worn ember
liveoverflow is great
dusk drift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl2jo1bSxl8
If anyone cares
fallen oracle
Oooo. Batman on sale. https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/batman-arkham-bundle
warm anchor
@grand pewter just wanna say thats gotta be one of the best profile pic out there. 
grand pewter
yeah its pretty good lol, yours is too btw
someone gave me nitro for the month so i was determined to get a really good gif and make the most out of it
warm anchor
lol
latent valve
fallen oracle
Sir, this is a Wendys.
waxen panther
peak dust
question: how bad *really* is songoda? not heard a good thing about them since..... well never
waxen panther
just search the channel for songoda
use another spawner plugin
theres like 51982301273 billion on spigot
peak dust
ultimate stacker was causing my server to crash multiple times per day from 1 person flying around a bit
yeah lmao I have been searching this discord for songoda
I've seen some sketchy things come from songoda as well as their plugins being badly coded, is that it?
is there anything more I should be aware of?
grand pewter
yeah the plugins are bad and songoda as a business has engaged in sketchy practices
in fact, they're banned by paypal
enough said probably.
(also banned from partnership with microsoft)
now i've said doubly enough
twin lagoon
.g github change git operations email
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://docs.github.com/en/github/setting-up-and-managing-your-github-user-account/setting-your-commit-email-address -- Setting your commit email address - GitHub Docs: "You can set a primary email address on GitHub that's associated with web-based Git operations you perform such as edits and merges."
twin lagoon
google is very hard children
warm anchor
Why do you need Google if you have Michael from PaperMC
twin lagoon
looks low res
void void
Y low res
twin lagoon
if you're creating a wallpaper
fiery tapir
oh does mac just natively support dynamic wallpapers? nice
twin lagoon
screenshot as 4k or something
raise all your optifine settings
antialiasing up etc
fiery tapir
windows be like: rainmeter time
twin lagoon
the fuck has rainmeter to do with this
windows has dynamic changing wallpapers for ages
like since windows 7
fiery tapir
oh i can just throw an mp4 somewhere and tell windows to make it a wallpaper?
fiery tapir
still bugs me that i haven't figured out how to properly set up dual-monitor wallpapers on windows
twin lagoon
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
ivory radish
Where is best place to ask about aikar flags? I have a problem while using the flags, server takes a couple mins to start saying Loading Libraries when i am using aikar flags. I will give more details in the channel im supposed to be talking in.
limber knotBOT
#paper-help likely
ivory radish
Ok
twin lagoon
hm
apparently we have a new moderator & contributor?
maybe i just never noticed him
cunning raft
hey blackhole ban michael
static badge
blackhole's been here for ancient millennia
static badge
uh huh
cunning raft
prob just an irc frog
limber knotBOT
ah, the one good chat platform
warm anchor
But but discord now supports ALL communities!
limber knotBOT
so does irc :p
limber knotBOT
take the jetbraind IDE challenge
how many JetBrains IDEs can you open without your computer dying?
I'm at 3
minor badge
probably all but appcode i guess
limber knotBOT
what even is the point of appcode, I open the storyboard file and it just takes me to Xcode anyway
minor badge
idk
ancient bolt
I've used it, it's nice for code editting
like, all normal code stuff works in appcode, and I find jetbrain's IDEs way better than anything else
limber knotBOT
honestly Xcode is great as is from my experience
ancient bolt
storyboard and UI editting still needs xcode though
ancient bolt
does xcode have extensions?
limber knotBOT
extensions as in plugins? or
ancient bolt
yeah basically
limber knotBOT
probably in the app store somewhere
ancient bolt
resharper for VS is amazing, VS is basically unusable without it
limber knotBOT
problem with xcode is you need to be up to date macos wise
limber knotBOT
I can't even dev ios 14 apps without Catalina
so I need to use my Big sur Beta VM lol
ancient bolt
public beta for big sur was supposed to happen in july but never did
lying assholes
limber knotBOT
smfh
upper flicker
it uh needs some polish yet
ancient bolt
lol
limber knotBOT
one thing I dont like about committing on JB is when you hit Commit the message stays behind, you need to clear it
ancient bolt
yeah im no rush to get it if they don't think it's ready for even the first public beta
I've found the persistent commit message useful like 2 or 3 times in my career
otherwise yeah
i think they do that so you can re-use the message if you check the "amend commit" button
but really that feature in general should probably be re-worked
limber knotBOT
I mean there's a message history button
so what's the point of it not clearing lol
ancient bolt
heh
limber knotBOT
maybe this does something https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JTcBUNIf/image.png
ancient bolt
ooh
limber knotBOT
unless thats something else
ancient bolt
test it out!
vestal jasper
Tbh the whole "adding ! and other stuff to your name to be at the top of the list" bugs me regardless if they're advertising it not
vestal jasper
I scour servers I moderate often and put them at the bottom of the list when they self hoist 
limber knotBOT
oh i never notice bc all the actually hoisted users take up the first page of the user list lol
ancient bolt
@mighty storm can you share a link to the bot? Just automatically de-hoisting would be great
vestal jasper
Thanks lurker who decided to self hoist during our convo about self hoisters 
limber knotBOT
I use Vortex
https://jagrosh.com/vortex I think
might not be .com
initial commit option thingy did nothin
Also, it has >>dehoist [letter]
which dehoists everybody with that char
ancient bolt
hmm we already are using dyno, let me see if it has that feature
true canyon
Fun strategy: Have a "member" role (no colors, just hoisted) that's auto granted on join, and revoke it from folks who edit nicknames to show up higher. Now they're forever trapped at the far bottom of thousands of people no matter what their nick is.
ancient bolt
lol
vestal jasper
Or give them a role that doesn't have nick perms
And make their nick "z" or something dum
Easier than giving however many thousands of users a role retroactively
static badge
are nicknames advertising on the serverlist actually an issue
ancient bolt
it's annoying
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the people at the top are dev, moderator, contributor, then notable
they're already buried
ancient bolt
that's basically the issue
true canyon
I imagine that here there's enough of a sidebar to avoid the problem.
waxen panther
?
ancient bolt
but yeah in the community guidelines I said it's harmless so not worth the effort
vestal jasper
he's shadow pinging me
ancient bolt
but if a bot can just automatically handle it then...why not
waxen panther
Moderators I was pinged unnecessarily, as a notable member I demand payback and retribution
true canyon
On admincraft I had it so no role but a few bots were special on sidebar and there it was an actual observable thing. Here you gotta scroll like heck to find them!
vestal jasper
Ur notably dumb @waxen panther
waxen panther
I’m notably epic
vestal jasper
Nah lol
waxen panther
vestal jasper
Epically dumb
waxen panther
I will fight u
ancient bolt
yeah I don't see aan auto-unhoist with dyno, but we can do the auto-members role hack thing
can look at that later if it becomes particularly annoying
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what do you mean
cunning raft
lets ping everyone with a username that starts with a special character
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ban time
true canyon
Am I doing it right?
cunning raft
mighty storm
Have a "member" role that's auto granted on join
I know this is a joke but imma pull a parent after tell a joke and say never never never have auto-roles on join, it bypasses all the moderation requirements (e.g. phone/email requirement)
true canyon
Oh right I forgot how fucking stupid discord's features are. Alright, grant role on first message sent!
austere ivy
whym can I not talk in delicious-tacos
limber knotBOT
meanwhile on irc
if +r is set voicing yourself wont bypass you still need nickserv
orchid pelican
dam Michael lookin good in pink
static pilot
i want some pineapples
i wonder if my corner store will sell me a pineapple
is it worth looking at 10pm
orchid pelican
as long as it is going on pizza
static pilot
i would but i don’t have any pizza rn
limber knotBOT
you could get pizza?
vagrant niche
@static badge hi
static badge
ye
vagrant niche
yay
limber knotBOT
what self-respecting pizza place closes before midnight
vagrant niche
r u gettin on @static badge
static badge
hold ur tits
vagrant niche
It's as flat as the earth
orchid pelican
no pizza place should close before 4 am
orchid pelican
better have a plugner on standby
warm anchor
limber knotBOT
hows anyone
void void
idk trying to figure out wtf is wrong with osx today, ran out of open file handles in bunch of programs where it should not happen
cunning raft
macos 
void void
fuck. this. wifi
(usually ping to that site is 2ms)
should probably open the door again
to let wifi in
ahhh that did the trick again
void void
legit
unborn jay
Has anyone have had experience with SoYouStart? How would it perform for a 50-60 player network with Game-1?
vagrant niche
gud
ancient bolt
SoYouStart should be good, they are a subsidiary of OVH
speaking of I need to buy another OVH server in canada and transfer my current server over there
static pilot
i feel like there's a better way of doing this
don't mind armor contents being null i haven't wrote my functionality for offline player viewing yet
ancient bolt
why don't you just initliaze them to empty array and then loop over them with for (int i = 0; i < array.length; i++) { instead
I would avoid using an IntStream like that just for a simple loop
limber knotBOT
ive never used a stream, they any good?
static pilot
some people aren't big fans of streams
void void
rarely
static pilot
they can sometimes be slower but
void void
streams trash heap like hell
upper flicker
they can be fine in the right use case
static pilot
i've noticed they've always been ok for me using them properly
upper flicker
I wouldnt really use them for that case above however
void void
especially in hot code
upper flicker
kind of just using streams at that point so you can say youre using streams
static pilot
i was thinking about using a for loop but wanted to try out intstreams
i've never used em
vagrant niche
just blame the host for any problems that arises
merry talon
kind of just using streams at that point so you can say youre using streams
isnt that the only reason to ever use streams
because you can
upper flicker
I mean, there's plenty of things that can be done cleaner via a stream
its just not great for hot code either
vagrant niche
Does InputStream count, its caleld stream
limber knotBOT
but faster
merry talon
inputstream is a cursed type
upper flicker
if youre out for raw performance in all cases you will find yourself writing some ugly code
which is fine if thats what you want
vagrant niche
Theres also the lambda stream
vagrant niche
wat next
static pilot
in 1.12.2
vagrant niche
elixir
static pilot
"iron bars" returns null, and i did "iron barding"
limber knotBOT
wait
limber knotBOT
IRON_FENCE i believe
upper flicker
does indeed appear to be iron fence
limber knotBOT
sign me right the fuck up
static pilot
oh yep thx
unkempt drift
inb4 there is a giant pool right below
limber knotBOT
wait i have another like thst
static pilot
idk why i couldn't find that
potent fossil
i see no problem here
upper flicker
there's the list if you want it for future reference
presumably that was the mojang name at one point so copy pasta into the eternal enum it goes
limber knotBOT
Also check out my bike https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OTjc7f5s/1596340847.JPG
potent fossil
i again see no problem here
limber knotBOT
honestly, outside of needing to break, it'd be a perfectly usable bike
107 tabbit
tabs darnit*
zealous wedge
open more
potent fossil
#adorable-pets, ok thx
tired heath
sharp sentinel
Based on the linked articles, it seems the exploit can only be used when an exploit in the earlier stages of boot is used as well
cunning raft
qwertyoruiop tweeted about that
sharp sentinel
So you'd need to exploit the bootrom in order to break the secure enclave
cunning raft
requires something like checkm8 to work like Me just said
but since it's A12, nothing like checkm8 exists for it yet
sharp sentinel
So in terms of law enforcement using it to access secure enclave data, etc - for newer devices that wouldn't work, but any that checkm8 works on would be exploitable yeah
Definitely requires physical access to the hardware
void void
i wonder what powers mbp 2018
cunning raft
altho looks like a checkm8 for A12 is coming
Siguza & qwerty have been posting teasers the past couple days
sharp sentinel
Even access to this data isn't necessarily that useful tbh - If you have physical access to the device, getting biometrics data wouldn't be too useful
Like, the user's fingerprint is probably on the device somewhere anyway 😛
sharp sentinel
Yeah, they aren't directly stored
But that information isn't necessarily useful
You'd theoretically be able to use it to determine a match, but 🤷♀️
zealous wedge
fingers r greasy
the rest of the device probably has the user's fingerprints too
stored in finger goop, not some secure enclave
sharp sentinel
I don't think that exploit has any actual security implications, basically
If you've got the prerequisites to do the exploit, you already have complete control over the device
And the data stored on the chip is non-useful
cunning raft
you could brute force unlock with both of these exploits
sharp sentinel
You can unlock a phone with a bootrom exploit already, so yeah this one doesn't let you achieve any more than you already could in that regard
cunning raft
isn't lockout attempts inside the secure enclave tho?
sharp sentinel
If you can control the boot chain you can do anything OS-side
You can bypass the lock screen
cunning raft
yeah but i thought the password attempt timeout was controlled in secure enclave
sharp sentinel
It is, yeah
cunning raft
so you couldn't actually unencrypt data
sharp sentinel
That's a good point - the user drive would be encrypted at that stage, as a bootrom exploit must be run during boot
Although realistically that's where this comes in - https://xkcd.com/538/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) xkcd: Security (2 February 2009)
fallen oracle
Grape or Strawberry
sharp sentinel
Strawberry
fallen oracle
Ty
sturdy fulcrum
Peanut butter or white walker og
limber knotBOT
hm
left swift
I think its slang for an old guy in Florida
spice finch
Non-IRC chew 👀
spice finch
Ah okay. Hello real chew
mighty storm
hello
spice finch
Uh
left swift
spice finch
Polish lmao
left swift
Nail polish
void void
lol
sharp sentinel
Does anyone know who initially started Paper, and why?
Based on this commit, it appears gsand and Z750 were there at the start - https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/b9179a0a04ab1fa4e95e88aa59cdebc9c73dc433
static pilot
Paper was like started out as AquifierMC right?
I remember signing up on the aquifer forums lol
rare herald
Z750 was the founder AFAIK
willow rune
Anyone know a good plugin for large towny servers? Is towny still the way to go?
limber knotBOT
wow you just pinged everyone on irc lol
quasi valley
as if they cared being pinged on irc lol
ancient bolt
Z750 and gsand founded it together
static pilot
Didn’t know gsand was there too
sharp sentinel
Thanks - anyone know when Aquifer was started?
static pilot
I like that guy
ancient bolt
Paper predates aquifer by years
static pilot
2016ish?
ancient bolt
It was started as a fun side project for shits and giggles
static pilot
I thought aquifier and tacospigot was around the same time, then aquifier started calling themselves paper and moved from the xenforo forum board to what they have now
ancient bolt
Grew bigger once spigot / md_5 started pushing people away and not accepting contributions
rare herald
PaperSpigot
limber knotBOT
@rare herald [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
ancient bolt
None of that is true, no
sharp sentinel
Makes sense, thanks
static pilot
aquifer was a bungee fork right?
ancient bolt
TacoSpigot predated aquifer too, I think. Either way it was totally unrelated
No
Aquifer was a single forum for both paper and waterfall back before waterfall was transferred to paper
ancient bolt
That's all it was
static pilot
Oh well yeah my bad
That all was a long time ago
Memory’s fizzy and I was never really too big on that stuff regardless
ancient bolt
There was also eigencraft, if you're keeping track
toxic ember
I wish that the world generation was more like real life
static pilot
Nah I don’t know what eigencraft is
toxic ember
mainly with oceans
sharp sentinel
In what way was eigencraft related?
toxic ember
the rest is fine
ancient bolt
Which was a community for paper, TacoSpigot, Empire, and a few other paper forks that existed back then that I don't remember
It started out with a different name which I've forgotten
But it was an IRC channel for discussions regarding Minecraft server performance optimizations
sharp sentinel
Ahh okay
Did Paper form out of eigencraft? Or was eigencraft just a place that it joined
ancient bolt
Eigencraft happened after paper was created, yeah
sharp sentinel
Makes sense, thanks
ancient bolt
It was mostly the brainchild of Aikar, that was before Aikar joined the paper team
There was discussion back then around renaming paper itself to eigencraft iirc
sharp sentinel
So eigencraft-redstone is a custom redstone impl from that channel, not from a server named eigencraft?
ancient bolt
God damn am I like an old WWII vet telling stories from the past or what lmao
It likely originated from that yes
sharp sentinel
I'm working on a project that involves a lot of MC history, trying to fill in the blanks basically 😛
ancient bolt
There's an eigencraft discord server that I'm in but I leave it muted, also originated from that IRC channel
sharp sentinel
I know a lot of the real early stuff, but I kinda ignored most stuff other than Sponge in 2014
tropic phoenix
Quick question because I keep hearing different answers. If I enable piston duping in paper.yml are players able to dupe all blocks or just tnt?
rare herald
It’s too bad Sponge never took off more.
Doesn’t help they rewrote their API like 100 times during the first year or so (slightly exaggerated)
limber knotBOT
not sure why youd wanna enable duping...
tropic phoenix
Players are asking me to
olive marlin
Arduino - TNT, rails, carpet etc.
tropic phoenix
I'm fully against it but the server is for friends and I so I don't wanna be a dictator
So it couldn't dupe diamonds?
olive marlin
I've heard of a new dupe regarding pistons like 2 weeks ago, but I believe it also happened with Paper's fix.
So probably only TNT, carpet and rails.
rare herald
Don’t take the advice of every player. Doing votes requiring a 2/3rd majority works very well for implementing suggestions
tropic phoenix
Thanks for the advice
What exactly let's them dupe tnt but not things like diamond blocks?
Is it based on gravity and all that? I don't personally know how these dupes are even done
olive marlin
I don't think it ever let you dupe any blocks.
tropic phoenix
Oh thanks then, that was my worry. If it's just for that kind of stuff I don't really mind.
olive marlin
latent valve
Iirc Aikar said they might be able to use that mechanic to dupe otjer stuff 
not sure if they can
dusk drift
Yes, carpet/tnt/rails
void void
minimal diff policy
grand pewter
minimal diff
spice finch
ah okay
static pilot
eh, there's no dedicated item stack for enchanted golden apples right?
static pilot
i'd need to set the data to 1
quasi valley
that very much sounds like 
static pilot
maybe i should get the material name
and check if it's GOLDEN_APPLE or ENCHANTED_GOLDEN_APPLE
potent fossil
like kneny said, this sounds like some hella outdated shit and therefore
https://tenor.com/view/her-boobs-dont-have-asupport-no-support-unsupported-absence-loss-gif-12663203
where, "her boobs" are you
spice finch
Rigby, if you use version i belive above 1.12.2 you have enum ENCHANTED_GOLDEN_APPLE so no need to set custom data
Hangar wen 
potent fossil
traefik :^)
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@potent fossil 🥺
potent fossil
@minor badge 🥺
vernal moth
Yeah staging is borked and I don't care to fix it @spice finch ^^
spice finch
its fine just telling
static pilot
fuck do i really need to create a item stack with data to check if a player is eating a golden apple
*enchanted golden apple
potent fossil
you're not using a supported api so who knows :)
static pilot
hm?
quasi valley
did you read any of the messages from above? :D
potent fossil
nope
spice finch
.sql files are basically statements divided by \n? Im not sure if I want to put in every private plugin creating table if I cant just push it into .sql
minor badge
you can just check the item type in their hand if its ENCHANTED_GOLDEN_APPLE iirc
potent fossil
he didn't
static pilot
no i didn't
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i dont care, thats how its done today
static pilot
didn't see CDFN's message
static pilot
bro i don't read
minor badge
am only giving the best info 
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@spice finch theyre just statements. be very careful if you do 2 statements in 1 file, as not all drivers enjoy that without first splitting
potent fossil
just to make sure
spice finch
Im going to have like 20 statements in one file :D Just every table I'd create using plugin
minor badge
then remember to split by your delimiter :p
vernal moth
I create hangars DB with one giant sql file, lol
minor badge
some in the rustverse do it for you, simple
vernal moth
Only DB worth using anyways
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i assume the same is in the javaverse
potent fossil
yeah i know, im repeating what you said because people in this server and on the internet in general have a nasty habit of reading 70% of something and then firing off a response before reading the last 30%
sounded a hell of a lot like "well my driver does it lawl, ur dum"
so just wanted to make sure he read
as not all
potent fossil
stanky
twin lagoon
hi simple
potent fossil
hi bby
twin lagoon
hows traefik
quasi valley
much thonk
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hi michael
potent fossil
but im still mad about CF and not being able to do TCP/UDP routers with it
:/
unless I get spectrum
twin lagoon
hi proxi uwu
potent fossil
and lol if ya gonna use cf spectrum (which is literally just a rev proxy afaik) then might as well not use traefik
so call me salty but w/e, i like its http routing
spice finch
Currently I store every plugin as another repo on my organization, would migrating it to one repo like myserver-plugins be fine or there are any cons?
spice finch
no no
source code
of plugins
currently I have few repositories on my organization on github
spice finch
and thinking about migrating it to one
quasi valley
but wai
potent fossil
it's not 'wrong', but i will lose respect for you (if i had any to begin with) for using a monorepo
spice finch
Pretty annoying to switch repo all the time
minor badge
please dont monorepo them
spice finch
I'm like 14 repositories currently
And we're two only who maintain them
Having them in one place would be better I think
zealous wedge
i don't see the issue with a monorepo
olive marlin
There won't be any difference, since you still need to separate them by folders, don't you?
quasi valley
but you also use kotlin
zealous wedge
if you ever need to break them out you can always do a git subtree split
quasi valley
so your opinion does not matter!
quasi valley
:((
olive marlin
You can use submodules, if you want to combine them. Or the repo tool. 😛
zealous wedge
submodules are annoying
olive marlin
Depends on what you need exactly.
zealous wedge
i'd take subtree any day
minor badge
we've got 74, CDFN
olive marlin
Submodules are annoying, but people often use them for things they shouldn't.
spice finch
damn
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a monorepo is not a good idea
twin lagoon
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thats adorable
spice finch
I'll stay with separate repos for now. After we'll get things done I'll think about migrating it
spice finch
void void
my internetz numbers r bigger than urs
spice finch
why do you use this weird theme for github
void void
dark theme?
spice finch
wait.. github didn't introduce darkmode?
void void
no
spice finch
wtf
twin lagoon
just use the stylish theme
spice finch
just turned off my dark reader 
twin lagoon
.g github dark stylish
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/StylishThemes/GitHub-Dark -- StylishThemes/GitHub-Dark: Dark GitHub style - GitHub: "TOC. Preview; Installation. Additional Userstyles; Supported GitHub Extensions; Available Syntax Highlighting Themes. Contributions and Development...."
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spice finch
I thought it has darkmode since last UI update
void void
ye gh dark is epic
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i just use dark reader, works epicly
spice finch
zealous wedge
i guess monorepo runs into issues if you need to give access out project by project
void void
nice leak
spice finch
twin lagoon
flexhc repo leak
spice finch
my NDA
void void
hey who wants uhhhh flexhc leak - 100% legit screenshot no scam
dm me for btc address
actually no don't dm
potent fossil
@void void GitHub Dark or GitHub Dark 2.0
twin lagoon
potent fossil
o didnt see that
twin lagoon
2.0 sucks
potent fossil
thanks dad
twin lagoon
the stylisthemes one has a lot of addons aswell
potent fossil
oh yes this is epic
twin lagoon
i'd avoid the more intense userstyles though
can really slowdown your browser tab when opening code
potent fossil
i tried GitHub Dark 2.0 and it had some bad problems so never used it longer than a week
This is nice tho
void void
i remember when simply using dark reader made pages 200x slower
and some pages even hanged my browser
unless i picked static/filter/filter+
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dark reader on dynamic is fine for me
void void
firefox?
twin lagoon
chrome
void void
on firefox it was quite shit for a long time tbh
twin lagoon
though i think at the time i used firefox
void void
got better recently
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chromium here
spice finch
I tried to use Dark Reader on Opera, but it worked like crap - half page was white
twin lagoon
opera
void void
yeah on chrome/chromium dark reader works very fast
spice finch
not sure if it was the same author of addon
minor badge
ive not tried it on trash so cant say
limber knotBOT
yeah darkreader has been fairly slow on firefox for me
isn't opera just reskinned chromium at this point
void void
which makes it completely irrelevant now
spice finch
firefox doesnt use chromium, yes?
void void
correct
twin lagoon
opera is indeed just reskinned chromium + chinese garbage
spice finch
I switched to chrome recently. Opera had nice bar with messenger on left side, I was abusing it lol
latent valve
Just use IE
spice finch
no IE for linux sadly
latent valve
Wine
spice finch
minor badge
wine is great
spice finch
I only know that my Wine LoL install broke after amdgpu update 😦 And my DE is crashing after game start
minor badge
when i played lol in wine, it had no issues whatsoever 
quasi valley
other than playing lol of course /s
latent valve
Imagine playing LoL 🚮
minor badge
yeah i didnt like the game, yote it soon after
void void
that game is a fucking time sink
stiff yarrow
I use firefox unless I have to chromecast something
mental meadow
LoL in wine works mostly fine, but not for long, since they wan't to introduce a kernel level anticheat soon
also good morning
spice finch
good morning
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hopefully a very well done VM can bypass it, but mh doubt
its owned by the valorant guys right?
spice finch
anticheat?
potent fossil
ppl rlly be cheating so hard in league that they gotta do kernel level anticheats 
"just installed league, hold up gotta reboot"
"why tf u gotta reboot for league"
"cuz it installed a new kext lmao"
:(
future
mental meadow
I doubt it proxi, and yeah
I've never encountered a cheater in LoL, and I do play a lot. They are really uncommon, except for when Riot actually breaks things, then cheating is a thing for like a week until its fixed
minor badge
yeah theyll make sure VMs are a no-no
potent fossil
passthru all the things
spice finch
It's hard to detect cheater in LoL because it's easy to mismatch him with good player
mental meadow
One of the only reasons why I'm sticking with Windows on my main machine rn, bc I want to play LoL (want is a strong word, it's more like a drug addiction i guess)
spice finch
Finally Riot Games released more than one game :D
vestal jasper
actually
they've had multiple games since 2013, to some degree
they're shitty lil flash type games
but they exist™️
they also released a tabletop game in 2016
:^)
stone coyote
umm how to make terrarian preview like this ?
potent fossil
a very custom world generation, and dynmap with HD textures
spice finch
maybe use something like overviewer?
ashen cliff
OTG people could help you with that.
potent fossil
wat
olive marlin
I just noticed they joined our server like a year ago and didn't do much apart from checking plugin list and stuff lol
grand pewter
wat
zealous wedge
i mean i do that when i pop by servers sometimes
it's neat to see who's plugins they're running
and kind of sad when everyone has decided they want to block /plugins
grand pewter
i dont join many peoples servers lol
grand pewter
did you ask to be put on the lwc list or something, that's the only thing i can think of
olive marlin
No. We aren't using lwc.
grand pewter
ah ok
i have a list of servers on the lwc page that use lwc, i went to verify they were using the plugin
what server do you run lol
and why did i join it
cedar spade
inb4 banned for advertising
olive marlin
And we are a whitelisted server. That's why I'm confused.
pastel pivot
I know that offline mode servers are not supported and not welcome here. But what's your or Paper's attitude to server, which which violate Minecraft's EULA by having a pay-to-win system for example? Or does Paper just not care about that?
spice finch
Paper itself doesn't, but community does
grand pewter
yeah id say probably hands off except its not like most people endorse it
minor badge
theyre not unsupported nor unwelcome, people here just wont help you. same applies for the eula violations
grand pewter
ok but bloodstone i swear i don't just randomly join servers 😂
olive marlin
grand pewter
im here now genuinely curious because i dont remember this
pastel pivot
Okay thanks for your answers.
olive marlin
Like, I wasn't around Paper discord at that time, so I wouldn't recognize you.
vagrant niche
that means wiz kicked u 3 times pop
olive marlin
But I'm pretty sure I can tell who is on our server.
grand pewter
am i still on it
olive marlin
Sec.
grand pewter
lol
olive marlin
You are still whitelisted, yes.
grand pewter
damn nice
i still dont know what server this is so i guess thats not useful though
guess i'll have to join every server till i find yours again
cedar spade
inb4 bloodstone has secretly been running your server the whole time and you didn't know
minor badge
let me in prof 😔
grand pewter
bloodstone is the illuminati of minecraft
olive marlin
Hmm. I think you must have been whitelisted before I took over ownership of it. That'd explain the missing logs/applications.
I think the server used to use LWC a long time ago for a short period.
grand pewter
ah yes grandfathering
olive marlin
So might be it.
grand pewter
oh ok yeah that would make some sense
yeah i mean i've been here and there to check out issues or people wanted me to verify that they're using the plugin or something
olive marlin
Though I think it used it under an old name, so idk how you'd get the IP. Maybe not remebering it well though.
grand pewter
like i said earlier, sleep-hacking
i broke in, tried to look at your plugins, and went back to sleep
as per usual
who was the previous owner
that might be more of a clue than anything
olive marlin
Nathanisme would be responsible for plugins.
grand pewter
oh nathan! lol you should have just said
he still messaged me fairly recently about something
olive marlin
Yeah, there was a split between the 2 owners. Nathan started new server, I took over the old one since the other owner didn't want to take care of it.
A bit of old drama.
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🥺 @twin lagoon
twin lagoon
🥺
grand pewter
@olive marlin
olive marlin
Ooh, I guess I could search the old logs.
grand pewter
lol
ok but i looked at my dms with nathan
it wasn't about lwc at all, i was maintaining my own fork of treeassist for a while in the stead of slipcor
olive marlin
Ooh, yeah.
grand pewter
amidst songoda having taken over that and ruining it
so yeah he was one of the few people working with me on fixing bugs and was using it
olive marlin
Now I remember that someone joined to help with issues we were having.
Like 3 years ago?
grand pewter
yea that was me, was probably chopping some wood or something
dms say july 2018, so about 2 years
olive marlin
Hmm. I guess I can't track the time well then.
olive marlin
I thought it was way before the split, not just a few months before.
grand pewter
i was really puzzling over this because i really don't join many servers
olive marlin
I was sure we pruned the whitelist like a year ago.
From everyone who didn't log in in a long time.
But I guess you have logged in to spy on our plugins 😛
grand pewter
ah well probably not the intent lol
but i will admit it's kind of fun to see what servers block it or don't
it's not like blocking it prevents plugin devs from knowing what you're approximately running though if it's all public stuff
spice finch
It's not like you can figure out what plugins do server use after playing 30 minutes
grand pewter
^
spice finch
or spamming autosuggestions
olive marlin
Depends on their complexity.
I think half of our plugins are made by me now. Or at least 1/3.
grand pewter
fair enough
well in that case it doesnt even matter too much
the main thing i'd see people blocking it for is to prevent their own players from just copying a public list of plugins and cloning the server
since that's probably not what people want to encourage
but ppl looking at it in general is like w/e
grand pewter
yeah but anyways rest assured i was just playfully snooping 😛
nathans server was pretty chill though, hopefully it's still the great same community
olive marlin
Most of the community stayed, and we've grown quite a few new chill members since then.
zealous wedge
yeah if your server can be copied using a plugins list you probably don't have a server worth copying in the first place
olive marlin
The server is shit honestly, but community is what makes it great 🙂
grand pewter
and thats what matters
zealous wedge
like between plugin configs, builds, community, and other content any reasonably interesting server is pretty difficult to copy
grand pewter
you can always copy plugins but you can't copy a community 😛
merry talon
also just want to point out that literally no one goes looking for servers to copy
olive marlin
Some do.
And not necessarily copy - sometimes you might just use it as an inspiration.
Just find a similar server - look at plugins - decide you like one, and add it to your server.
tawdry holly
Kinda off-topic but what port does nginx use for regular browsers?
olive marlin
The port you give it?
If you tell it to listen on 80, it'll use 80.
If you teel it to use 8080 - it'll use 8080.
tawdry holly
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-nginx#2-installing-nginx - This tutorial says my 'server' should show this but I'm pretty sure I have all ports blocks but some so I'm not sure
tawdry holly
yeah I think that worked
grand pewter
port 80 is the default standard port for http, for https use 443
olive marlin
Oh, ffs.
tawdry holly
yepp ty
olive marlin
Thanks pop - thanks to you I just found a bug on our website.
Because it showed your face, and it shouldn't. It's using a very old file for some reason.
olive marlin
Your creeper skin.
grand pewter
im still using it
olive marlin
grand pewter
looks correct to me
olive marlin
Yeah, but you haven't logged in since we started new season. So you shouldn't be in the list.
grand pewter
ah ok
olive marlin
And I noticed it downloads a very old file to display it.
void void
when you feel for copying plugins again huh
olive marlin
I don't see any point of removing you from whitelist lol
void void
i think you want to copy community next time
grand pewter
deep parrot
If I want to display the TPS for the server in the player list what would be the best way to do that?
deep parrot
Do I need a plugin?
spice finch
Yes
finite wave
worn ember
oh wait im dum
grand pewter
idk havent used it myself lol
grand pewter
player list / [tab]
spice finch
I'm confused if he means tab as plugin or as list
grand pewter
ya
olive marlin
Ayy, found all the logs from when pop first joined the server. I think this best sums it up:
<pop4959> yeah im just nosey lol sorry
😛
grand pewter
gottem
worn ember
Can confirm
worn ember
Nothing cx
grand pewter
finite wave
Smh
prime pawn
Hey, how are you all today?
worn ember
Yes
prime pawn
.-.
finite wave
Sleepy
prime pawn
This chat is usually so bubbly and active, dahell is with you lot?
quasi valley
https://i.imgur.com/cfXKhpk.png
KenntyTV 
twin lagoon
knentytv
quasi valley
I am the man with the names
finite wave
Keenty
twin lagoon
ktv
prime pawn
whY theRe nO AnimE chAnnEl?!?!? 😠
cedar spade
kntentnekytveykn
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what the fuck is up with tofikarz lol
finite wave
Lol
quasi valley
you should ask him to do the pr, since he very much sounds like he knows what he should pr
=^]
cedar spade
new game: what's the longest word you can make that sounds like an english word with only the letters in K, N, E, Y, T and V
I've got knektyvyty
watches as everyone else knows more english than me
quasi valley
ventkeyenvy
totally didn't just smash together words with the letters by using an online tool
quasi valley
not in German
cedar spade
what would that even be?
"envy of people who have keys to access vents" is a very specific noun to invent
quasi valley
Belüftungsschlüsselneid
👀
you're just so jealous that someone else has a vent key!
cedar spade
google does not agree with you
also TIL google can handle arbitrary compound nouns in German
well, sorta
cosmic raft
hi @twin lagoon
twin lagoon
hi @cosmic raft
cosmic raft
how are you
quasi valley
hi @quasi valley
twin lagoon
@quasi valley hangar wen
quasi valley
I'll see if I can even get it setup after lunch again lmao
twin lagoon
@vernal moth hangar wen
quasi valley
else I'll just go back to manually starting up the instance and throwing the init queries in
vestal jasper
Hi @quasi valley
cosmic raft
quasi valley
hi @vestal jasper
vestal jasper
Hangar wen
quasi valley
no u
cedar spade
now you have to do it because kash said so
quasi valley
@cedar spade spongeauth wen
cedar spade
*runway
also modified spongeauth does work, sorta
But I'm probably still gonna try and rewrite it because there's a lot of jank
ie instead of threads for background tasks, they use a separate background worker process that communicates with the server via redis, and that entire setup is completely undocumented
Some bits of Django are neat, like built-in database stuff with migrations and the admin panel
But eh it's a pain to get working right, rn both me and mini can only get it working in debug mode
minor badge
whats with cloudflare and being so fucking awful with their login
knotty rose
wrong password?
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every single week it goes "haha you need to reload" after entering my credentials, then it 429s me
no, password manager; it's correct
cedar spade
Do you have am adblock rule breaking it?
knotty rose
Ya but something similar happened to someone i know, he putted it correclty and it sais “wrong password”
minor badge
disabled on cloudflare, had that idea before
cedar spade
huh
minor badge
it doesnt say wrong credentials at all, it says "Please reload the page"
tawdry holly
Argh, does anyone know a bit of nginx?
server {
listen 80;
listen [::]:80;
server_name geri.pw;
root /var/www/test;
index index.html;
location / {
try_files $uri $uri/ =404;
}
}
It should technically work, right? - Ports open and all.
potent fossil
is your file actually in /var/www/test
if it's just html remove the location block
tawdry holly
.. I'm so smart
potent fossil
:p
potent fossil
you restarted nginx after making the file right?
minor badge
can it read it
potent fossil
yea, perms
potent fossil
take a screenshot of tail -n 100 /var/log/nginx/error.log
yeah if the dir is owned by root then its probably not gonna be able to read, but in that case i think you'd get a 403?
tawdry holly
waxen panther
potent fossil
ls -la /var/www
tawdry holly
But nginx is also ran under root?
waxen panther
dont
potent fossil
nginx uses its own user called www-data
waxen panther
potent fossil
nginx can run as root, but it spawns subprocesses
vestal jasper
It's big brain time
potent fossil
which run as www-data
tawdry holly
potent fossil
do this
cedar spade
(depending on your distro)
potent fossil
chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www
olive marlin
Nginx must be run under root (to listen on 80 port), but it by default switches to www-data for the process itself.
cedar spade
oh wait ubuntu, yeah
tawdry holly
Never done anything related to web hosting so this is all new
potent fossil
and see if the 404 goes away
tawdry holly
yeah no perms on either
potent fossil
you'll need to prefix sudo to the chown command if you're not logged in as root
olive marlin
If you run what simp sent, it should do it.
tawdry holly
yeah just did
potent fossil
did it help
tawdry holly
Restart fixed it yeah
potent fossil
kek
tawdry holly
sorry for the noobiness, thanks for your time
zinc surge
Where do I ask for a quick question about BungeeCord?
potent fossil
Not here because we're not spigot support
potent fossil
If you switch to waterfall, which is paper's fork of Bungee, then #waterfall-help
but do not ask a bungee question in there