exactly
#general
worn ember
wide chasm
translates DarkEyeDragon to Hebrew
finite wave
What it say
worn ember
my real name you rword
finite wave
.wa DarkEyeDragon in hebrew
left swift
π³
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) No results.
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The Translate API is off in the Google Developers Console.
finite wave
wide chasm
It's DarkEyeDragon but now in rtl
grand slate
his real name is derek, that's really cool
worn ember
actually i'm Salvation
wide chasm
If you put spaces between it you get ΧΧ¨Χ§ΧΧ ΧΧ’ΧΧ ΧΧΧ€ΧΧ though
left swift
Josephine
grand slate
Josephine
finite wave
Thatβs a girl
worn ember
Yehoshua 
finite wave
Ded confirmed girl
grand slate
ok Yahweh
worn ember
lmao
grand slate
Huahwei
worn ember
isnt that some god of some religion?
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worn ember
im a literal god of salvation
wide chasm
Huawei is a company
finite wave
Proxi, how did your parents know?
potent fossil
yahweh is the god of christianity
minor badge
i chose my own name actually
finite wave
Oh
grand slate
π³ darkeye is god?
left swift
Omai wa mou
finite wave
Well gj picking a matching one
finite wave
But you got and e and she doesnβt
worn ember
ded is god but god isnt ded ya feel me
finite wave
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uhh no
left swift
No
minor badge
our names are the same, jan
finite wave
Nvm
left swift
Josephine
finite wave
Idk where i got that e from
grand slate
I FEEL YA
worn ember
from e-girl
left swift
Jane Truck
grand slate
no schlong for you
worn ember
nanopp
grand slate
UNLESS π³
left swift
π³
finite wave
worn ember
digital peak
wow my server is no longer crashing!
this is wonderful ty for everyone that helped me
left swift
π³ ππ what if we kissed in the papermc 2.0 discord?? π³ ππ
finite wave
left swift
This guy is an rs3 player I can feel it
stray oyster
Smh the people listening to Billie eyelash
digital peak
do you guys use intellij over eclipse?
worn ember
intellij
golden gust
yes
golden gust
I would literally give up with java if I had to go back to eclipse
stray oyster
oh shit
spice finch
using intellij over notepad++ smh
worn ember
you've been missing out
stray oyster
grand slate
omg what if we kissed in the papermc discord π³
digital peak
i use windows`s default editor
stray oyster
worn ember
nano 
steel pulsar
i have one letter for you
worn ember
steel pulsar
emacs
digital peak
its kinda hard to use vi for windows users like me
spice finch
tbh intellij is great IDE, it has literally everything you need
and epic git, maven, gradle and even ant support
potent fossil
ant 
worn ember
i have never seen ant used in production
finite wave
My word documents are processed just fine thank you
stray oyster
π
dapper nacelle
why is there no value for mycelium in the particle enum
spice finch
i have never seen ant used in production
I bet not one bank system is running on ant
waxen panther
no because they're all running on cobol lol
spice finch
Heard that too
grand slate
because it just.... works
spice finch
it would be too expensive to switch
since there's no need, they're simply not doing it
waxen panther
finite wave
The usual
grand slate
ah yes, modern
spice finch
Bank which I have account in is using .NET for backend. Atleast they hire for this position
grand slate
eksd just looked my bank up, someone said they learnt cobol, DB2, and ISPF for ancient IBM systems
icy apex
I wonder why the spigot discord isnβt in #community-guilds
icy apex
Since when
spice finch
icy apex
Itβs kinda mean though I mean paper is basically based off spigot and they donβt even put their discord server here....
zealous wedge
since at least 2014
golden gust
Nobody can link to us over there, why should we link to them?
icy apex
Besides wiz idk who hates spigot
spice finch
ramdon, when paper's market share will be high enough they'll stop sticking to spigot
zealous wedge
I do ramdon
dapper nacelle
I am trying to create slashes in the air with particles after using this sword but nothing looks really good, any ideas for particles I can use
worn ember
md5 got a papercut when he was a kid
icy apex
Ah I see
golden gust
general gist is that literally every community in this ecosystem interacts with one another
spice finch
@dapper nacelle smoke particle?
digital peak
get a pack
dapper nacelle
something like that
golden gust
spigot is literally the blacksheep of the minecraft community
worn ember
looks like crit particle
zealous wedge
like nobody interacts with spigot unless they have to
dapper nacelle
hytale would probably make it easy af to do this
icy apex
oof
worn ember
if it ever releases
dapper nacelle
when it releases in 20 years
icy apex
like nobody interacts with spigot unless they have to
I mean besides spigot being a little mean to forks, they are pretty nice
worn ember
wasnt release date second half of 2021?
worn ember
idm spigot just md is a bit uptight
dapper nacelle
when hytale releases I probably long lost interest in it
dapper nacelle
if spigot stops updating then paper will have to update
icy apex
when hytale releases I probably long lost interest in it
I would rather see Microsoft get the market share then riot games
golden gust
if spigot stops updating then paper will have to update
potent fossil
spigot hate in paper whats new
golden gust
You actually do not understand how much that would make our jobs easier
zealous wedge
md5 has literally the worst modding toolchain
dapper nacelle
league is still plenty of salt
zealous wedge
everyone's lives would improve 100x by not having to deal with his hilariously broken mappings
dapper nacelle
true
dapper nacelle
honestly why does paper still not make breaking changes
their userbase has grown big enough
golden gust
Because "mah spigot plugins"
dapper nacelle
those spigot plugins have to move to paper
zealous wedge
it's only 60%
icy apex
Because "mah spigot plugins"
Thatβs like all the plugins
golden gust
Or, they just say "fuck paper", and disappear
icy apex
I always keep spigot support on my plugins, because I always switch to spigot when paper is doing their super long eta thing
worn ember
but now we dont have a proper system to publish plugins
dapper nacelle
I mean, imagine paper giving direct access to decompiled nms
icy apex
patience instead of updating on day 1
Players nag me
dapper nacelle
you guys deobfuscate it
twin lagoon
so
dapper nacelle
and include it in the api
grand slate
POTATO
golden gust
api
worn ember
they're legally not allowed to do that
golden gust
internal code
icy apex
what do you mean?
Probably yarn
zealous wedge
if paper hard forked, thry could easily work on snapshots to be prepared for a day 1 release
worn ember
and why would you include mappings in the api
potent fossil
i mean you can get nms anyway, just clone paper, run paper jar, go into work/spigot/src/net/minecraft/server
golden gust
But, the joy of ditching spigot is that we wouldn't have to deal with decompiling, etc
MCP literally already deals with that
zealous wedge
if you want to interact with MC directly just use fabric
golden gust
and MCP is a community project which accepts contributions, etc
it's like, the community has been working on this shit for years
dapper nacelle
the real joy of ditching spigot would be that MD_5's philosophy can go out the door
worn ember
fabric
golden gust
yarn doesn't include decompile fixes, etc
potent fossil
what's md_5's philosophy
golden gust
Like, I mean, it's a nice project, but, MCP gets us much further
worn ember
fuk bitches get money
zealous wedge
yeah, yarn is designed around bytecode patches not source patches
potent fossil
im hungry af
icy apex
Just wondering, why does paper use patches
zealous wedge
mcp has been source patch based since the old days
golden gust
it's cleaner
potent fossil
ur name is making me honger @icy apex
zealous wedge
bc that's how jar modding was done
icy apex
Itβs hard to read
waxen panther
what else would it use
golden gust
And the alternative?
golden gust
Noting that we can't have decompiled NMS stuff on the repo
grand slate
YES DARKEYE
worn ember
cant see nothing
icy apex
ur name is making me honger
π€·ββοΈ
golden gust
Nor is there really a clean way to hold stuff into "features"
grand slate
dark theme is shite
waxen panther
i use lightmode when im outside and at work ^^
worn ember
yeah
waxen panther
i prefer darkmode when im in my room though
worn ember
its really hard to read otherwise
golden gust
without the patch setup, stuff like async not merging fully would be a ballache to strip it out, etc
grand slate
discord is the only exception, only because of role colours, people make it exclusively for dark mode ;/
worn ember
lol
waxen panther
dapper nacelle
waxen panther
someone get this man access to #adorable-pets
wait
thats cats only
cats r stupid anyway
dapper nacelle
wdym
this is obviously a cat
when you tell the dog barber to cut her hair off a tiny bit
and you get a cat back
dapper nacelle
this lil mf is barking all day long
and requireing attention
dont get a dog
honestly I wish she could just go watch tv or something
icy apex
Dogs are great
potent fossil
outdated server?
vernal moth
looks like somebody tried to use legacy chat inside of a component
cunning raft
merry cave
golden gust
Something sent a scoreboard it doesn't like
cunning raft
#blame @unreal quarry
merry cave
Just trying to pinpoint is it a paper bug ?
merry cave
I installed build 130 between my last reboot and mow
golden gust
Probs an outdated plugin
merry cave
Only change
potent fossil
go back to your prev build and see if it fixes it
merry cave
Picking up my car from an oil change and I'm all over that like ketchup on a hamburger
cedar spade
Why would you put ketchup on a car
cunning raft
> not changing your own oil
latent valve
@cunning raft that been happening for quite awhile now 
For me First it start with when player get killed by a rename item player that kill another player will get kick for packet error or smt
Abd that player that die wont loose any items
Then it was hover message from various plugin like luckperm/spark/coreprotect/and even /pl
And there no way to replicate it either billy made a plugin that send exact same json but cant reproduce it it so random but when it happen it wont stop untill u restart
cunning raft
ah its the md_5 isn't generating valid mojanson issue
latent valve
Yea that what Billy said iirc
merry cave
Okay car picked up on way home to drop to 127
potent fossil
lol
left swift
Dont drop it, its fragile
steel pulsar
what car do you have
prime plume
Can some one tell me that if I use paper as my server software do it fix the piglin aggro toward turtle egg
As I spigot the piglin are aggrowed toward the turtle egg but after few min they ignore it which made the gold farm insufficient
steel pulsar
why not ask in the #paper-help channel
steel pulsar
fbi car
merry cave
My babe
steel pulsar
it looks like the forester but fat and made for cops
cunning raft
is that Mass?
grand slate
I'm going to get it crushed
cunning raft
fencing looks familiar
steel pulsar
i have a volvo 242GL from 1987
cunning raft
worn ember
@cunning raft did you end up fixing that sql issue?
cunning raft
yeah
used datagrip, stopped using phpmyadmin
phpymyadmin was adding a bunch of unnecessary shit
steel pulsar
no
worn ember
ah ok
left swift
Jeep cherokees are nice cars
digital peak
its kinda hard for me to make plugins with paper
limber knotBOT
@digital peak [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
waxen panther
Itβs no different to spigot
knotty rose
the bot sends a message when someone writes paperspigot lmao??
limber knotBOT
@knotty rose [Auto] We're now known as Paper.
knotty rose
lol
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Gee I Wonder Why That Would Be Necessary? Might It Be Because Of People Not Reading?
merry cave
so 127 stopped the issue
left swift
Why Are We Talking Like This
minor badge
i do that with stupid answers because it looks stupid, nomana
left swift
π³
potent fossil
stanky @minor badge
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@potent fossil stanky
potent fossil
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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too LATE
digital peak
I used only eclipse for my hole life and i only used spigot to like set the build path
kindred storm
use a proper build system
mental meadow
Quick notice, we are still waiting on a few reviews before merging the new community guidelines, so if any of you want to add a review, please do it today π https://github.com/PaperMC/papermc.io/pull/42
waxen panther
0/10 doesn't have a broccoli image
potent fossil
mfw my pull is still sitting there
waxen panther
mfw mfw
unreal quarry
Something sent a scoreboard it doesn't like
@golden gust
#blame @unreal quarry
@cunning raft
That's the bug ^_^
#paper-help message
Y'all finally got a report of it
digital peak
im just trying to make a paper plugin...
why is all plugin tuturials based on spigot and eclipse?
spice finch
Why tutorials exist
spice finch
I mean.. spigot tutorials
quasi valley
but Spigot plugins also work on Paper, so that's fine for a beginner tutorial π
spice finch
They're generally crap
golden gust
Wait
spice finch
And trying to teach you using API and java at once
golden gust
I wonder if bungees chat API is just being moronic
potent fossil
wow π new guidelines are fire
digital peak
if someone makes a plugin based on paper, that will be awesome
potent fossil
wat
digital peak
for noobs like me
quasi valley
that's a bold claim to assume otherwise cat :kappa:
potent fossil
a lot of ppl have done that @digital peak wats so hard
digital peak
oh ok so its only matter of time to find those?
golden gust
Best guess is compare the json of bungee to the json of nms
Ihere is probably something stupid in there
I have theories but brain over yonder
mental meadow
God I hate ovh they are sooooo slow
unreal quarry
I'm telling ya. It's the same json. I've already exhausted everything I know. I can't pinpoint the exact cause, but I keep circling back to IChatBaseComponent and md_5's hack job of an iterator
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry for what?
unreal quarry
The most frustrating part is it doesn't happen all the time
cosmic raft
What's the issue?
unreal quarry
@cosmic raft #paper-help message
Paper finally got it's first report of it #general message
bold zephyr
md_5's hack job
bold zephyr
im not sure how i feel on lombok
quasi valley
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
bold zephyr
seems convenient but im so used to writters getters/setters
true canyon
Feel the hate flow through you
quasi valley
imagine being too lazy to press a key comb and press enter two times in IJ
merry talon
quasi valley
we'll just convert the poor people like aurora
spice finch
Use Kotlin ineusia
quasi valley
unreal quarry
Is it the iterator?
quasi valley
we never knew, kash
cedar spade
archived for posterity
quasi valley
it's not horrible.. I'd love some of its features in plain Java syntax
spice finch
Pin it 
quasi valley
but you'll essentially lose a majority of people being able to contribute to whatever you're doing (or people wanting to use it)
cosmic raft
gime a moment to double check here :)
cedar spade
plot twist: kneny is stupid
bold zephyr
ive legitimately just never even looked at kotlin so ive got no clue what it is
is it like using typescript in js?
quasi valley
wow very :pinapl:
bold zephyr
typescript compiles to js, kotlin compiles down to java?
quasi valley
just eh, look at it then
bold zephyr
"compiles"
quasi valley
yes
spice finch
Directly to .class I think
bold zephyr
ill grab lunch then look at it, but tbh at my skill level i doubt theres any reason to consider it
skill level/use case
worn ember
its still another language to learn
bold zephyr
no but im still learning some of java
spice finch
People often choosing it for first language
bold zephyr
harder to get help from support discords if you use something less known
worn ember
kotlin isnt all that great imo
sure it takes away some verbosity of java but thats about my extend of knowlege about it
digital peak
is ubuntu good for doing stuff?
spice finch
It is
digital peak
just made a vm with ubuntu 18.04.4
spice finch
Outdated a bit, 20.04 is LTS too
digital peak
now should i install intellij and all those good stuff?
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry yep found it
spice finch
On VM it won't work well
digital peak
oh...really?
digital peak
but i cannot reboot my computer since i run my server on it
digital peak
will vm work out for some time?
spice finch
You can try it on VM
digital peak
ok ty
spice finch
It'll work, but slowly prob
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry ^
digital peak
i dont care about speed unless it takes 12 years
quasi valley
I think Bungee chat always serialized textcomponents as arrays.. because lazyness?
cosmic raft
it's literally not supported
spice finch
You can be shocked xD I was building paper for like 10 minutes on WSL2
cosmic raft
lol
limber knotBOT
mornin
spice finch
Good evening chew
quasi valley
yea but it's also stupid for places where it is supported
digital peak
wsl2 imma google it
quasi valley
just creates unnecessary noise
cosmic raft
but there's the issue billy
left swift
KennyTTV
mental meadow
Cheeeew<3
unreal quarry
You sure that's it @cosmic raft? The part that throws the error is doing is isJsonArray() check and failing
cosmic raft
give me one moment and I will triple verify
mental meadow
I finally got a domain uwu
I have aurora.codes now :D
true canyon
Congrats
left swift
What about aurora.toads
unreal quarry
Do you code, tho, aurora? ;)
unreal quarry
I count everything except skript
mental meadow
Now I just need someone to make a pretty homepage
unreal quarry
HTML and CSS even count more than skript
mental meadow
I mean I do work on FAWE if that counts :p
true canyon
π€’
left swift
cedar spade
ew FAWE
mental meadow
That's not even the most hated thing by the community I work on
But let's not dive into that
unreal quarry
You work for bri?
Can't think of anything/anyone more hated in the community than bri lol
wide chasm
kangarko is a good contender though
mental meadow
You sure? :d
left swift
unreal quarry
He's a close 2nd, for sure
limber knotBOT
can def confirm
turbid sequoia
Just a question, why is it async is good, and what exactly is it. Can't seem to find an explanation in the documentation. Do any of you have a link? I would love the technical explanation.
limber knotBOT
something in sync: halts all server activity until done
potent fossil
async = not attached to main thread, running on its own
wide chasm
Async means that the server is doing stuff on a different thread than the main thread. Whether this is good depends on context, but most cpus nowadays have more than one core and can easily perform better when running more threads.
mental meadow
Think of it as a list. The server does everything step by step on that list. If a point takes longer, everything else has to wait. Async basically means getting a second list :D
finite wave
Lol
wide chasm
lol
unreal quarry
@turbid sequoia async just means not in sync. Bukkit community misuses the word, tho, and thinks it means a different thread. So, in the Bukkit community when you hear async, it just means multithreaded
potent fossil
think of a freeway with traffic, the cars on the road are tasks and when a driver crashes or something and takes a long time to clean up (a long task) then the traffic on the road pauses
the async are the airplanes that can fly right over the hellhole :D
limber knotBOT
i agree obfuscation should be banned
turbid sequoia
Thanks a lot πͺ
golden gust
I mean
obfuscation being banned would be a "small" step
making devs actually respect the license of the software vs tooting their own horns
Now that would be amazing
spice finch
That's not even the most hated thing by the community I work on
Are you contributing to factions?
true canyon
Good lord these whiny developers.
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry any chance there are any logs with the json text, not just a screenshot? :P
left swift
Ur all whiny developers in my book
limber knotBOT
the only plugins i keep closed source (unless they want it on request) are private plugins for servers
left swift
β€οΈ
unreal quarry
@cosmic raft #paper-help message
limber knotBOT
we can dream
mental meadow
I have a dream
unreal quarry
Here's the gist example I keep referring to @cosmic raft #paper-dev message
wide chasm
Imo the entire problem with the GPL is that, even if you agree with their ideology, as long as you don't have the means to actually enforce it properly, it's basically useless.
Some larger companies may follow it themselves, but if smaller companies/individuals now you're not gonna enforce it, they won't follow it.
golden gust
Spigot and DBO could have easily enforced it
true canyon
I mean, most people don't have the means to enforce any open source license terms, as most people don't have the spare money lying around to get a lawyer involved.
wide chasm
On their website, yes, but outside of that? Not really.
cosmic raft
@unreal quarry that without any plugins?
golden gust
outside of the website is irrelevant
unreal quarry
Yes
golden gust
it starts at the core
mental meadow
Md_5 doesn't care tho
true canyon
Will hangar enforce it?
golden gust
if the core of the project doesn't care, why would anybody else?
No idea if it's been discussed, but, our existing rules of the forum topic requires source
bold zephyr
what part of GPL gets broken thats enforceable? im under the impression its very open ended on what you're allowed to do
limber knotBOT
problem with hangar enforcing it is if we say "follow license or no plugin" theyll just post it on spigot anywa
wide chasm
Only works if the marketplace is actually relevant. In this case, it is, but if everybody ignored their marketplace and just went to some other place or did it themselves, then again the stance of their marketplace would be irrelevant, hence making the ide of GPL not work.
golden gust
open ended
bold zephyr
forking, privating, and distributing?
limber knotBOT
the main gist is you need to have your code open source (or closed source but source must be given on request)
for public plugins
golden gust
wait, maybe i dont understand what you mean by that
wide chasm
GPL forces you to use GPL-compatible licenses for libraries and other parts of the code.
golden gust
Basically, if you get the binary, you also must be able to get the source
limber knotBOT
and yes ^ all plugins using Bukkit API must be GPL
bold zephyr
ohh i see
golden gust
Now, iirc, they can charge you for the medium the source is on, etc; But, source must be offered
bold zephyr
just double checking that im not breaking licenses, because i have a private (undistributed) fork of a GPLv3 plugin that i do not share out (binary or otherwise)
slim nymph
which is why im kinda meh on leak sites, technically, those leak sites are 100% legal
golden gust
yea
limber knotBOT
yeah that's fine, if it's private that only you use you don't need to make it public
golden gust
It's shitty, but, like π€·ββοΈ
slim nymph
now, do i encourage it? no. I believe devs SHOULD be able to make money
were just stuck with a shitty license
limber knotBOT
golden gust
it's almost like they never thought about the license
slim nymph
but GPL explicity state you are allowed to share the binaries
wide chasm
I'm still curious how enforceable the GPL license would be in an actual court case, cause the entire licensing of Bukkit and stuff is also, eh, interesting, but let's hope we never get to know that.
slim nymph
everything about this project is fucked in court lol
golden gust
^^
cunning raft
for the api probably, for craftbukkit not at all
slim nymph
noone wants to go to court for it
golden gust
Nobody knows what the outcome would be
and nobody wants to deal with the side-effects of either side
true canyon
which is why the MS staff dropped it when wolv sent the takedown.
wide chasm
Afaik, CB and NMS can't live together given their licenses, so I'm not sure how that and Bukkit will then interact, but, yeah, we're pretty much fucked anyway.
golden gust
how bukkit and CB interact is purely irrelevant
true canyon
Bukkit and NMS cannot live together, stef. CB is the abomination.
golden gust
^^
slim nymph
CB's license is the one thats questionable on its legal state, but bukkits isnt, and even if you 'link against CB', your still linking against B
golden gust
you build against the GPL'd api
cunning raft
unless they just open source the server 
slim nymph
so, i'm 100% confident in that all bukkit plugins are GPL
cunning raft
well assuming they pick one
golden gust
I'm not even sure what license they could really go for
true canyon
Not just about building against GPL'd API though, which does have some questions attached for just API. You're also, and this is important, creating a derived work when you extend JavaPlugin which is a class not an interface.
golden gust
GPL is a no-go
bold zephyr
i was always confused as to why you can download the source and compile CB, but you cant download the jar. i understand distribution of binaries is a legal issue, but how is distribution of the source not a legal issue considering github striked down the source with the dmca
golden gust
MIT is maybe a bit too open for their desires
slim nymph
if bukkit was LGPL things would of been a little more saner
mental meadow
Use the license AWE uses
cunning raft
i think they would chose WTFPL
slim nymph
but hey mbaxter was a bukkit team member, lets blame him since grum isnt here to blame
cunning raft
the best license
bold zephyr
lmfao
slim nymph
microsoft would never approve that
lavish nova
I blame the damn lawyers for thinking up law
true canyon
Damnit Aikar π¦
lavish nova
Is that a custom license?!
mental meadow
Yes read it
It's pretty good
You aren't allowed to tell people how to compile the plugin
wide chasm
Eww custom licenses
bold zephyr
imagine taking that one to court and the judge tosses it out because real words werent used and therefore cant be interpreted
mental meadow
Or deobfuscate the code
slim nymph
custom license is fine, many 'versions' of licenses are just customizations becoming popular and earning an official title
just.... be careful
mental meadow
(that was sarcasm btw I hate it)
slim nymph
if you word it wrong you can invalidate the license
true canyon
Does SBPrime's license mention anything about whining about how unfair I am to him by expecting him to follow the same rules on BukkitDev as everyone else?
slim nymph
thats why lawyers get the big bucks, to get it right
cunning raft
Redistributions of source code, with tools and/or scripts used to build the
software is not allowed,
uhhh
bs
slim nymph
yeah that license isnt gpl compat, so its not valid
lavish nova
Yeah but screwing up your license also could screw up everyone which has that code in their dependency chain
slim nymph
any gpl plugin your rights are at MINIMUM what the GPL says
deviation from GPL can only give you MORE rights
cunning raft
this License is written by someone whos trying to type like a lawyer but who isn't one
mental meadow
I'd love to just host the source of awe somewhere just to see if he tries to sue me
But then
I'm too stupid to deobfuscate it
true canyon
Perhaps Hangar can require all submissions be AGPL, just for memes?
slim nymph
hmm, how does apaches clause about must state changes affect gpl? since its technically a new restriction
bold zephyr
is this not the source right here on github
mental meadow
It is, but have fun trying to do something with it
golden gust
I'd doubt that it technically matters
wide chasm
The only thing I'm still not entirely sure about is about this text from GPL's FAQ:
If a program P is released under the GPL that means any and every part of it can be used under the GPL. If you integrate module Q, and release the combined program P+Q under the GPL, that means any part of P+Q can be used under the GPL. One part of P+Q is Q. So releasing P+Q under the GPL says that Q any part of it can be used under the GPL. Putting it in other words, a user who obtains P+Q under the GPL can delete P, so that just Q remains, still under the GPL.
(https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html)
How I interpret this is that, if P is the entire server and Q is a plugin, then I must be able to remove the plugin and be left with a program P, which is GPL compliant. Is the entire server code GPL compliant? Afaik, no, cause it contains NMS which is proprietary.
slim nymph
thats what i suspected, didnt look up chart yet
golden gust
Once again
slim nymph
i assume due to the changes clause
golden gust
CB and NMS has fuck all to do with bukkit
slim nymph
since its a new restriction
golden gust
the licensing of CB is fucked, that's nothing new
wide chasm
They are eventually bundled in the same program P, however.
golden gust
irrelevant
lavish nova
My favourite feature of GPL
lavish nova
golden gust
CB has to be GPL compliant
and, it's not, so, CBs licensing is screwed and basically invalid
to what extent? π€·ββοΈ
lavish nova
Arguably CB could never have been under GPL
golden gust
Yea
cunning raft
gl with that
slim nymph
interestingly, grum screwed up on cb too, and included the LGPL file
so, its not even clear if CB was intended to be LGPL or GPL lol
wide chasm
I'd assume the intention was LGPL, but ?
slim nymph
but LGPL for CB didnt make sense, thats better suited for Bukkit
cunning raft
who would you even open a court case on CB against at this point
@bold zephyr you wouldn't
you would have to wait for a contributor to sue you
unless you pre-sued
wide chasm
I think that they went, "well NMS is proprietary, so we can't use GPL, so let's just slam LGPL on it"
lavish nova
Also I think there was a lot of Bukkit code which had no license since it wasn't there since the start
cunning raft
but that's a different story
wide chasm
But that's just a blind guess
bold zephyr
lmao
slim nymph
lgpl doesnt allow it either
wide chasm
No, but, still
slim nymph
lgpl just allows some looseness for LIBRARIES
wide chasm
Yes, I know
lavish nova
basically licensing for minecraft server software is utterly broken
and it's best if we don't think about it too much
slim nymph
i wonder if grum chose it on his own or was it a team thing
grum also thinks IO on main is ok
grum also promised my wife a hug at minecon and didnt deliver
mean grum π¦
golden gust
dude
true canyon
π¦
golden gust
if we don't do IO on the main thread, who'll move to newer hardware?
bold zephyr
and then you block up the NVMe's so that you create more innovation, yea?
golden gust
Don't really have the chance to much personally, joys of living with others
potent fossil
Even so, I still heard that sexy brit draw
bold zephyr
lmao
spice finch
golden gust
what can we say, some people have no respect for themselves these days
limber knotBOT
emacs > ewindows
cosmic raft
I think he meant the "21 hours" part
void void
elcord is dumb and shows whole session time
not per file
like e.g intellij or vsc plugin do
finite wave
Why not to use world gen plugins from randos
spice finch
Do PreparedStatement entirely protect us from SQL Injection?
potent fossil
as long as you bind your inputs, yes
kindred storm
no
spice finch
bind inputs, you mean ? and then statement.setString(1, "smth")?
kindred storm
if you have a table prefix, for example, you can't use a placeholder for that
yes
always use the ?
potent fossil
you can with jdbi :)
twin lagoon
it's the circle of life
i miss the voice chat in this server being busy
kindred storm
no, it's just that the table name is not something which can vary like that
twin lagoon
maybe once 1.16.2 or 1.17 is there
kindred storm
sort of like, you can't do "? FROM table WHERE"
potent fossil
@kindred storm https://github.com/guilds-plugin/Guilds/blob/master/src/main/java/me/glaremasters/guilds/database/guild/provider/GuildMariaDBProvider.java#L53
<prefix> :D
kindred storm
tooooo many annotations
potent fossil
fuck outta here
spice finch
add lombok and it'll be good
potent fossil
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
kindred storm
tbh jdbi does look nice
waxen panther
That looks nice, anyone know how big of a lib jdbi is roughly?
fallen oracle
Look at that sexy banner
waxen panther
I would check but Iβm on my phone and work internet sucks
minor badge
its not that big
golden gust
That should hold it
potent fossil
np
fallen oracle
On the rise my ass
golden gust
and hey, damn; it even still woke up when I turned it back on
golden gust
I ended up doing that thing other day where you knock if off the bed and all seems well but you doubt it, any sorta like sudden movement would kill it and crah
turned out that the ssd was literally just on the edge of connecting, so, shoved some paper in there to keep that in place
(And, yes, that's a piece of plastic straw holding the spinny HDD in)
waxen panther
We end up sticking ssds down a lot at work lol
Theyβre too thin for these laptops designed for thick hdds
golden gust
I was just thinking before while doing that, I don't do it often, but, if I was repairing a friends device, it'd be all like "well, crap, I'd better get some screws in stock"
Whereas for me it's like "can I leave it flapping in the wind, hmmm", "Hey, wonder if I have something to shove there and hold it"
waxen panther
Cat is making Paper useful irl too wtf
fiery tapir
if you fuck up something you own then you know that you tried your best
if somebody else fucks it up it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt so
neat smelt
@serene bolt
[19:49:23 ERROR]: Nag author: 'pop4959' of 'Chunky' about the following: This plugin is not properly shutting down its async tasks when it is being shut down. This task may throw errors during the final shutdown logs and might not complete before process dies.
nag nag nag
serene bolt
yeah pop and I are aware, that's on latest right?
neat smelt
yes, need any logs or so to help with it?
minor badge
imagine not shutting down async tasks properly ........
finite wave
Ikr; what a bunch of 1.8βers /s
finite wave
Looks fine
true canyon
@minor badge that's why I call BukkitScheduler#cancelAllTasks() regularly!
finite wave
You are just using a newer version of kava and they do not like reflection or classloaders @static pilot
limber knotBOT
scavenge: 5076 avg(55.04ms every 245.35s) global: 2391 avg(13521.08ms every 520.86s)
finite wave
Robo your wildtp is crashing people
limber knotBOT
where dem github reports
or do you mean it's that same getChunkAt or whatever issue
finite wave
Seems to be disconnecting on a teleport
limber knotBOT
even with newer paper builds?
finite wave
Ehm, probably, i sortof just told him to use darkeyes rtp
limber knotBOT
all I was notified for that is by phanaticd's PR
wow
not even phoenix's
i c how dis is
is k
another update shall go
I really wish this publishing process was automated..
btw what is EssentialsTimer and why is it in my timings
finite wave
No clue
cunning raft
are you on paper?
golden gust
global: 2391 avg(13521.08ms every 520.86s)
limber knotBOT
14 days uptime c:
static pilot
Currently I'm doing, but these are runtime so the listeners aren't really binded yet
limber knotBOT
shouldn't be 14 days tho
golden gust
dude
limber knotBOT
apparently the auto-downgrade never got started
golden gust
wtf are you doing to that poor server
cunning raft
and you're here blaming essx lmao
limber knotBOT
s/started/triggered
Correction, <RoboMWM> apparently the auto-downgrade never got triggered
lol idc about this server
it's my testing server tbh
1 cpu is all u need c:
golden gust
testing what? how far you'll go?
limber knotBOT
102 plugins
finite wave
....
limber knotBOT
ah so much better c: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=3a88598a7e79450fa4ec44f751e68d71
cunning raft
i hope the jvm finds where you live
limber knotBOT
improvise, adapt, overcome
hullo I come asking a slightly more serious but still dum me question, https://gist.github.com/RoboMWM/f25bb3c95cae5ec194675621a53cf4ed this is the same thing being built by different JDKs, why would a test fail in one but succeed in another
static pilot
my workaround for my above problem was to create child injectors that have multibindings to each class
not prettiest solution but
i can do this
limber knotBOT
anyways jantuck just tell em to post the error in a 5 star review
or if u wanna b more srs, tell em to go make an issue on github
update pending approval
finite wave
Too late no clue what their name is
limber knotBOT
for the future, my dumcordian friend
fiery tapir
just saw a fucking billboard for duckduckgo
didn't know they had those, shoulda took a picture lol
fiery tapir
i saw it outside of nashville tn
spice finch
how
unreal quarry
your family who dead
spice finch
I'd respond him but then my email will get marked as alive or smth like that and I'll get more emails like this one
toxic ember
are there any issues with rcloning server files directly to the cloud while a server is running
would that create any corrupted chunks in the backup?
unreal quarry
take a page from James Veitch's book. respond. keep it going as long as possible
@spice finch ^
cosmic raft
...
unreal quarry
spice finch
Not sure if it's the guy who im thinking about but i watched his standups
yes its him lol
Nice comedian
would that create any corrupted chunks in the backup?
shouldn't happen (atleast didn't in my case)
swift root
Ask for a toaster
spice finch
mikro meltdown mode on
mental meadow
Quick notice, we are still waiting on a few reviews before merging the new community guidelines, so if any of you want to add a review, please do it today π https://github.com/PaperMC/papermc.io/pull/42
Little reminder before I go to bed, gn8 yall β€οΈ
olive marlin
I think RCON sends everything plaintext iirc.
Yeah @dapper nacelle It's plaintext: https://github.com/barneygale/MCRcon/blob/master/mcrcon.py#L66
So, use it only within your host, don't use it to connect from other machines.
dapper nacelle
I see
olive marlin
Unless you provide encryption layer yourself (SSH tunnel or something)
cedar spade
#adorable-pets
spice finch
ik
latent valve
static pilot
@cunning raft remember that big twitter account hack
apparently I used to play minecraft with the dude who did it
spice finch
lmao
cunning raft
yeah i saw that
spice finch
and where do you recognise him from 
quasi valley
all of those people "hire him instead of putting him in jail"
they've watched to many hacker movies lmao
static badge
don't want that fucker dealing with sensitive data
static pilot
and where do you recognise him from :GWbopkePepethinking:
@spice finch like, we played HCF together
his IGN was Open
quasi valley
he very much does deserve to be in jail lol
cunning raft
wasn't he just a script kiddie
spice finch
he just hacked twitter admins accounts
spice finch
well hack isn't proper word here
cunning raft
i MEAN
spice finch
you know what i mean
cunning raft
DUMBASS
static pilot
there was just a stupid twitter employee in the wrong spot at the wrong time
spice finch
btw twitter ever announced official statement about this attack?
cunning raft
yeah on @TwitterSupport
quasi valley
Twitter
quasi valley
they have an older thread with quite a few tweets on the original situation
ah it's the same thread, just go to its origin
static pilot
Clark has been charged with 30 felony counts, including organized fraud over $50,000, fraudulent use of personal information, and access to computer or electronic device without authority.
Thatβs crazy what some people from Minecraft get themselves into
Another dude I knew did a hit-and-run or something and claimed it was because god told him to do it
grand slate
Shaking my smh my head
uncut moss
toxic ember
it said somewhere in the article that he called the employees
and that they gave him the credentials
cunning raft
yea a little much for a minor
toxic ember
probably more complicated then that
cunning raft
the thing that nailed it over the head was prob the 100's of thousands of dollars tho
if he just tweeted something stupid, the charges prob wouldn't be that bad
stiff yarrow
@toxic ember that's a common way to "hack" stuff, social engineering
granite salmon
well that's the idiots fault for sending the money
toxic ember
He deserves some prison time
cunning raft
well that's the idiots fault for sending the money
@granite salmon stupid sentence
stiff yarrow
anyways, I think its a bit extreme to ruin a kids life for a non-violent crime under 18, 30 felonies is a bit much
granite salmon
You have to be pretty stupid to send money under those circumstances
toxic ember
Its like the sim swappers who trick companies into changing the sim card of a number
cunning raft
doesn't push the blame
granite salmon
I'm not saying that, but they are dumb
toxic ember
I am curious as to how they caught him
stiff yarrow
I think we need more rehab in our justice system and less extreme life ending punishments
cunning raft
true but like this isn't a rehab type crime
stiff yarrow
why not
cunning raft
stuff like bank robbing and online crime doesn't have an addiction tied to it
stiff yarrow
I think you misunderstand what rehab means
cunning raft
would would rehab for stuff like that even look like?
limber knotBOT
glances at proper rehabilitation jails every EU country has
stiff yarrow
rehabilitation into being a participating member of society
instead he gets a bunch of career ending stuff before his life began
and put into the prison system which will just make his problems worse
grand slate
criminal rehabilitation aims to try and stop people from committing crimes by stopping them from wanting to - by identifying their issues and assisting to correct them, averting future crimes. Drug rehabilitation aims to try and stop people from taking drugs by detoxing and additction management, averting devestating outcomes
toxic ember
As long as the crime is not horrifyingly violent
and redeemable
I don't see why someones life should be ruined over it
peak dust
@minor badge what's this all about? π
serene bolt
π
peak dust
v. sparkly
is it because I said everything about my issue instead of just saying 'i need help pls'
minor badge
it's the 3rd time i believe i've seen someone provide good, sufficient information upfront
in paper that is
finite wave
This guy is great https://youtu.be/nwTBYcvk_tg
peak dust
that's really disappointing actually
I would assume people who use GitHub do it properly and upfront
minor badge
lmao no
peak dust
no? oh
void void
"really painful like ur p is on fire"
worn ember
haha funni
finite wave
Very
void void
like
worn ember
ew its mikropp
stiff yarrow
mikro I think your new avatar is pretty nice, that is all
void void
thanks
worn ember
stop bitching about me bitching you bitch 
void void
no u
finite wave
void void
must be bcoz of nano pp
void void
ye
finite wave
Here u go ded https://youtu.be/KFJgGQdKzXo