I just can’t trust android apps at all anymore
#general
stray oyster
limber knotBOT
it does for 2fa tokens I believe
finite wave
A lot of apps do weird shit.
stray oyster
Has AdKit built in
uncut moss
hm?
stray oyster
I’m not saying stuff on iOS hasn’t
limber knotBOT
use an adblocker 
urban depot
the amount of android apps with ads.. honestly
stray oyster
But it’s way stricter in regulation here
uncut moss
lol holy shit
how does the operating system have anything to do with the amount of apps with ads in them
unreal quarry
its a popular argument for apple fanboys
limber knotBOT
I mean if you use an operating system by an advertising company you are going to get ads if you don't do something about it ;)
uncut moss
just don't use them
stray oyster
App Store curation
unreal quarry
you get used to hearing it
finite wave
Android is full of ads last i used it, all those free apps had lots of them.
uncut moss
developers need to make money 🤷♂️
finite wave
They do too on ios, but most are less intrusive
stray oyster
Ads on iOS need to adhere to a stupid amount of guidelines
limber knotBOT
google just pushes free apps with ads way more than apple (as google makes money that way)
azure flower
It's sad how we've moved away from apps costing actual money n stuff up front to avoid things like this
limber knotBOT
apple has strict guidelines overall
for better or worse
google only has issues with ads that aren't their own ;)
urban depot
sounds better than android
stray oyster
Yes and I’m grateful for that but it’s also the bane of my existence
limber knotBOT
nobody forces you to use a google android though
stray oyster
The curation process is merciless
limber knotBOT
and in that regard android is better than ios/apple again
from what I understand google play store is like the chrome store in there's barely any regulations and human verification
unreal quarry
android has strict guidelines. i was once an app dev, but i still get all their stupid update emails every week
finite wave
I just feel like i had a much easier time after switching to apple
limber knotBOT
they have pretty strict rules
stray oyster
But no human looks at your app unless it’s absolutely necessary
limber knotBOT
anything that goes against google's interest gets banned
stray oyster
That’s what it was when I signed up for the google developer program
unreal quarry
its not lifetime, iirc. i paid the $25 back in like 2007 and remember it being a yearly fee
limber knotBOT
(also buying a mac first xD)
apple has a yearly fee but it gives you a lot more than just publishing apps
pretty sure paly store dev license is lifetime
stray oyster
^
stray oyster
On Apple everything needs to be verified notarized and entitled to do basically anything
limber knotBOT
pretty much
unreal quarry
if its lifetime, then thats probably why i still get all the update emails lol
stray oyster
even if you haven’t permitted it to yet
limber knotBOT
my main thing with ios dev is actually designign apps, backend = easy, frontend = wtf
unreal quarry
same, chew. but i dev on android 😛
uncut moss
android dev is a pita to make good looking apps as well
limber knotBOT
how is frontend on android?
stray oyster
for example if I want to create a VPN app; I’d need an entitlement for that; VPN apps are subject to yet more strict guidelines .... and so on
uncut moss
material design is meh
limber knotBOT
just use html and css for the frontend
uncut moss
new material design that google uses is pretty nice but that isn't very simple to implement
unreal quarry
front end is surprisingly simple if you use the studio (rebranded intellij)
azure flower
You do not know true pain until you have to implement in app purchases for both platforms
unreal quarry
i just cant design shit
limber knotBOT
The fun thing with android apps is you can just put a website kit thingy that connects to your site and call it a day
yeah, the gui design addon is nice
uncut moss
visual tools in android studio are fucking trash
stray oyster
Making apps for Android is easy, cheap and you get the largest app market place to put it on- that’s all a big plus
uncut moss
i ended up just typing the xml out manually anyway all the time
unreal quarry
gross
❤️
limber knotBOT
kotlin is scary
stray oyster
on iOS it’s hard to get into making apps. Simply because you cant use unpublished APIs to make apps. That leaves you with about three language choices to make apps in
uncut moss
kotlin is less verbose, better version of java
azure flower
In app purchases are an absolute nightmare to debug, and in the case of android they have a fully documented method of testing them, that has been broken for at least 5 years. There's also a laundry list of random things that can break between tests. iOS meanwhile works if it's in a good mood, and gives you nothing to work with if it isn't.
finite wave
I wanted to get into scala cause that also looks nice, but its weird
stray oyster
@azure flower I’ve dealt with that for about four years on iOS and never had issues- did you use the IAP kit from the normal Xcode libraries?
uncut moss
scala is for pussies
finite wave
Lies
uncut moss
what's the point in using scala lol
stray oyster
Back then I had to fear the freedom card hack on android
azure flower
I was doing all the things apple and stackoverflow told me to do. It just refused to work either locally or in testflight half the time.
stray oyster
God does anyone remember those times?
azure flower
Android was the bigger issue anyway
uncut moss
@stray oyster wut
limber knotBOT
i spent like 3 hours at a hackathon figuring out table views, and I did it, best experience of my life
stray oyster
Google freedom in app purchase android
finite wave
I like this last statement
uncut moss
so you could buy iaps for free?
limber knotBOT
you can on testfligh
azure flower
Transactions would just get stuck between being approved and being delivered, which made it impossible to buy anything again unless you cleared the data on the play store itself, which is real intuitive.
uncut moss
not like that's not a thing on ios too lol
stray oyster
Yes because back then the server responses were not authorative
well unless you got an offline app it’s impossible to fake IAPs now on either platform
And that’s good
uncut moss
it's possible as long as the app doesn't do any server side verification
azure flower
Guess that's what broke the android test responses then, as it now complains about missing signatures
azure flower
In the end for android i just resorted to using the live enviroment, actually buying the thing and then refunding myself
uncut moss
doesn't google get some of that
limber knotBOT
yeah on ios, in testflight all purchases are free
uncut moss
or wait no nvm
you still get all of it refunded
i kinda want to buy some shitty mac mini to be able to compile ios apps
stray oyster
@ chew for Better or for worse if you reinstall the app after TestFlight your IAPs will be completely f*cked
they still haven’t fixed that
limber knotBOT
as with reinstalling any apps
minor badge
podman's pretty cool 
unreal quarry
sometimes i want to get back into android development. but, tbh, a whole new generation has moved in and taken over and its surpringly way more toxic than my generation was lol
azure flower
My favourite thing about testflight is when an app asks you to leave a review, which has led to tonnes of completely random reviews on the testflight app itself
limber knotBOT
hiii proxiii
stray oyster
No neither test flight nor non test flight IAPs will work or register correctly on the device until you sign out of your Apple account and uninstall the app And then reinstall it
minor badge
helo chew
unreal quarry
i dont even know what version they are on now. i was big back in donut/eclair/froyo days
uncut moss
11 beta
azure flower
rip actually interesting names
tranquil hamlet
Anyone know of a decent alternative to Multiverse? It's got a bug at the moment which is ruining automatic world resets. It doesn't delete the world folder but only everything inside it now. Can't generate a new world without manually deleting that folder every time.
limber knotBOT
how are you pxoi
unreal quarry
11 beta? they dont have names anymore?
uncut moss
nope
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i am epic
limber knotBOT
ios never had names
unreal quarry
wow
azure flower
also rip being as excited as i was for froyo and that jit performance boost
uncut moss
got rid of names on 10 iirc
limber knotBOT
you're thinking macos
minor badge
im playing with podman, is pretty cool
limber knotBOT
oh android?
uncut moss
yeah
stray oyster
Well it went from iPhone OS to iOS and now we have a lot of stupid names OSses
azure flower
Did anyone here actually have an android honeycomb tablet
I did, making me one of the 7 people on earth to do so
limber knotBOT
there's iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, watchOS
stray oyster
BridgeOS SEPOS ... and all the IC osses
uncut moss
i had a jelly bean tablet
stray oyster
nom nom nom
limber knotBOT
the great thing about ios is you can usually develop for the latest major version and youll still be supporting 95% of the userbase
with android that's harder'
uncut moss
software was so fucking ugly back in 2011-13
stray oyster
Well I also fancy iOS because there is only a handful of screen resolutions you must test
azure flower
I remember ice cream sandwich looking way better than it does
limber knotBOT
yeah
cosmic raft
I ordered chinese today @serene bolt
limber knotBOT
and theyre all there one click away
cosmic raft
chicken chow mein, sweet and sour chicekn, ginger beef, 3 spring rolls
serene bolt
yum!! :D
serene bolt
that honestly sounds exactly what I would have gotten too
stray oyster
TIHI
limber knotBOT
that's a lot of chicken tho
cosmic raft
:3
uncut moss
wtf is she eating
limber knotBOT
abc 123's
stray oyster
Seems like pasta
neat smelt
pasta rings
stray oyster
finite wave
Anyone got some must have IJ plugins?
cosmic raft
they are spaghetti o's
unreal quarry
wtf is she eating
@uncut moss speghetti-o's
limber knotBOT
the minecraft one
uncut moss
@finite wave nyan cat loading bars
cosmic raft
serene bolt
oh my
uncut moss
most annoying piece of shit on youtube
stray oyster
zealous wedge
that just seems... unsanitary
limber knotBOT
a waste of food... in a bad way
unreal quarry
Back in my day, a lady showing that much knee would be whipped and shamed
limber knotBOT
hi
unreal quarry
runs away
stray oyster
People also bathe in oil
serene bolt
that must feel so weird to sit in that
stray oyster
limber knotBOT
this is all i have https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BAc0yCqc/image.png
snakeyaml plugin?
uncut moss
billy i rode a yamaha r1 yesterday
uncut moss
on an empty parking lot, shit's scary
unreal quarry
Ooooo, food is here. I got a baconator, @cosmic raft, since you didn't yesterday :p
limber knotBOT
checkstyle is a separate plugin
cosmic raft
ew
stray oyster
I was gonna say oh it’s right here next to Lombok in the garbage bin
limber knotBOT
wait what there's paid plugins??
finite wave
I looke through here and got those i wanted https://blog.codota.com/21-best-intellij-plugins-for-2019-100-free/
Btw, Lombok + Manifold looks nice.
cosmic raft
.lombok
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
stray oyster
limber knotBOT
oh yeah material theme is messed up
uncut moss
doesn't fit an IDE at all
finite wave
Peppis here
uncut moss
i like default darcula
finite wave
This my ide
limber knotBOT
also kashike can we make lombok a bannable offense
finite wave
Like it+
limber knotBOT
insert obama medalling himself meme https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SrhCKphu/image.png
uncut moss
honestly that over material
uncut moss
light IDEs can be kinda nice during the day
cosmic raft
no
uncut moss
when it's dark around you, fuck no
finite wave
It keeps me awake
unreal quarry
i got jalepeno cheese fries, too
cosmic raft
I should show you my bedroom window
unreal quarry
\o/
finite wave
Is it white kash?
serene bolt
jalepeno cheese fries 😍
limber knotBOT
is it blacked out
unreal quarry
😮 with bacon! thats a surprise
finite wave
lol
serene bolt
the good ol depression blanket, I've got one of those over my windows
unreal quarry
that looks like my bedroom window, kash... wtf you doing in my room?
zealous wedge
sunlight is lovely what are you doing ksahike
twin lagoon
kinda @sturdy inlet
more of an extension on the vanilla code
& some parts rewritten
serene bolt
no light. only darkness.
sturdy inlet
so if thats the case, would paper theoretically be able to fix bugs present in vanilla?
uncut moss
bruh
limber knotBOT
they do
twin lagoon
e.g. certain dupes
unreal quarry
no light. only darkness.
the way it should be ❤️
uncut moss
chickens
sturdy inlet
WHAT
limber knotBOT
of course?
sturdy inlet
omg
twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
let me guess, you're from mc-market
sturdy inlet
no clue what that is
cunning raft
uncut moss
no sir paper is $300, fixes cannons tho
limber knotBOT
oh good, then stay away from them lol
uncut moss
so buy now
sturdy inlet
i know that much
limber knotBOT
literally every bukkit fork has to be open-source to be remotely legal to distribute
Spigot is a fork of CraftBukkit
cosmic raft
I can assure you it is not your room @unreal quarry
twin lagoon
all 3 are opensource
sturdy inlet
perfect, okay
limber knotBOT
Considering this server is verified for being OSS, yes
uncut moss
licenses & shit u know
twin lagoon
only thing not opensource is the mc vanilla server itself
sturdy inlet
how frequently are commits reviewed?
twin lagoon
commits are commits
sturdy inlet
theres a really simple bug thats driving me crazy
limber knotBOT
wdym
cunning raft
PR's?
twin lagoon
you don't review commits
sturdy inlet
and i want to fix it
twin lagoon
you review pull requests
cunning raft
PRs are merged when they're merged
limber knotBOT
whats the bug boi
uncut moss
repo's pretty active
cunning raft
if it's small maybe under a week
zealous wedge
you send in a pull request, they're generally reviewed pretty quickly
unreal quarry
PRs are merged when they're merged
@cunning raft not mine 😛
limber knotBOT
even if it takes you 4 prs for a readme change
sturdy inlet
lemme grab u the link
zealous wedge
there's not like a merge window or anything
limber knotBOT
the mobs raising their arms in offensive ways is already fixed
twin lagoon
structure blocks yikes
twin lagoon
o
sturdy inlet
editing painting nbt also causes the bug
cunning raft
submit pr!!!
unreal quarry
the mobs raising their arms in offensive ways is already fixed
@chew#0000 yeah, now instead of a one arm solute its both arms raised in excitement
cunning raft
if you need help #paper-dev is there for you
limber knotBOT
ikr!!
sturdy inlet
fuck dude if i can get this fixed itll make my life so much easier
ive tried a million things to work around this bug
limber knotBOT
godspeed newcomer
unreal quarry
@mighty storm whooooooooo!
sturdy inlet
thank u :')
unreal quarry
fix chat component api, chew
unreal quarry
make it stop erroring and kicking players randomly
limber knotBOT
no isr
finite wave
nty
limber knotBOT
just use adventure instead :p
cosmic raft
yea, adventure is ways better than the bungee chat garbage :p
finite wave
It was useful in the past.
unreal quarry
its not just bungee chat. its CraftChatMessage and the likes that are broken too
finite wave
Now it's less useful, but still nice.
limber knotBOT
consistency, cross-platform support
is anyone else's more evenly balanced https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/u5o1lE71/image.png
limber knotBOT
you can use the same api for 1.7.10 through 1.16 bukkit
plus bungee, velocity, and sponge
limber knotBOT
hm today i will work on my plugin
uncut moss
limber knotBOT
since someone showed even a little interest in it
mighty storm
my plugin
uncut moss
oh ok
mighty storm
oops wrong platform
limber knotBOT
like a link to the code or what
limber knotBOT
enabled rainbowbrackets and now my code is gay thanks guys!
uncut moss
rainbow brackets is actually useful
twin lagoon
hot
uncut moss
makes it way easier to see what block something belongs to
limber knotBOT
yeah
finite wave
It's weird
unreal quarry
and md_5's ( spaced, out, params ) bother me too
limber knotBOT
alright bois, whats the convention on indenting blank lines. intellij does automatically
limber knotBOT
idk to remove the indention entirely or just use as is
finite wave
If you already did tabs it will tell you at top to convert it.
uncut moss
i kinda don't like having spaces before parantheses, but most people do so i just do it anyway
like if ()
i don't even know if i do, i think i do
limber knotBOT
god damn i wish i had java 14 switch expressions
question should sub-commands have their own file?
like /plugin bruh, in PluginBruh.java or whatever
uncut moss
how do java 14 switch expressions look
limber knotBOT
peppis one sec I'll show
uncut moss
generally not
finite wave
I think it's like kotlin when statements pepis
uncut moss
oh
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i never figured out how to check that, chew
unkempt drift
nah, its all about that 2000 line commands file
uncut moss
subcommands in their own files tend to overcomplicate it imo
limber knotBOT
unreal quarry
but... the brakes
limber knotBOT
uncut moss
can you do ```java
return switch(thing) {
case "something" -> value1
case "something else" -> value2
}
inside a method?ooo
limber knotBOT
yes I do that too one sec
unreal quarry
man... if only Paper would adopt java 14 as a requirement... then we'd have nice things like that
runs away
uncut moss
it's literally just kotlin when then
limber knotBOT
oh nvm i don't but you can
unkempt drift
billy runs away too much
uncut moss
nice
unreal quarry
billy runs away too much
runs away farther
cosmic raft
gotta lock him in the broom closet
unreal quarry
no, not again
serene bolt
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
listen I may know java but this looks terrible, is there any better way of doing this https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/UtcVZwdr/image.png
finite wave
What is this
limber knotBOT
my plugin
unkempt drift
use acf?
limber knotBOT
what the hell is acf
finite wave
.g aikar commands acf
unreal quarry
the devil
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/aikar/commands -- aikar/commands: Java Command Dispatch Framework ... - GitHub: "Java Command Dispatch Framework - (Bukkit, Spigot, Paper, Sponge, Bungee supported, generically usable anywhere) - aikar/commands. ... Documentation..."
unkempt drift
iirc, if you are using jda4, there is a pr you can use
finite wave
Makes it all much easier and handles permission checks and shit for you.
unreal quarry
acf is for those that dont know how to make commands with bukkit's api lol
limber knotBOT
i havent worked with minecraft code in forever
uncut moss
bukkit's api is shit
unkempt drift
its not just for minecraft
zealous wedge
lol billy bukkit has very little commands api
uncut moss
billy then paper is for people who don't know how to make their own server implementations
unkempt drift
its a general command framework that has implementations for various frameworks
limber knotBOT
i hate the feeling of knowing my code is shit but not knowing how to make it better
cedar spade
ACF has more features than Bukkit's API, but if you don't need any of ACF's stuff nobody is making you use it :p
zealous wedge
acf is a tool for converting magic strings into command descriptions
grand pewter
"acf is a tool" sounds about right
finite wave
ACF is magic
grand pewter
people can either choose to use tools or not
unreal quarry
acf is overkill
uncut moss
ur a tool
limber knotBOT
i mean just bask in my help command response greatness https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mrTjAAB1/image.png
unkempt drift
yeah.... acf handles allllll that
finite wave
That'll look much better in acf
serene bolt
food time!!!! enjoy!
limber knotBOT
yum!
uncut moss
do you people never cook your own food
cedar spade
What flavour hamburger is that
limber knotBOT
pop is your last name sicle, you'd be popsicle ! haha im fny
grand pewter
people just like to share when they eat out
unreal quarry
@mighty storm basically, acf moves a lot of command stuff (even stuff from plugin.yml) into annotations.
limber knotBOT
annotations are scary
finite wave
Have a look at it before throwing it away
unreal quarry
it rips away the ability for server owners to make edits to plugin.yml and forces them to fork and recompile their changes instead
i dont like it
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut moss
then make the commands configurable
limber knotBOT
uncut moss
makes it even easier for the server owners
unkempt drift
fix typos first
uncut moss
how do you do that chew
finite wave
Right click and inspect code
limber knotBOT
shift+shift, Actions, Analyze, Inspect Project
finite wave
or smth
limber knotBOT
then just whole project
unreal quarry
then make the commands configurable
more work to solve overwork in the first place.. hmmm
limber knotBOT
Inspect code* then whole project
uncut moss
ok very cool
billy it's not much work
also configurable commands > having to edit plugin.yml anyway
unkempt drift
what changes do server owners make to plugin.ymls
uncut moss
remove commands
finite wave
Author -> their name
uncut moss
and add aliases and stuff
cosmic raft
name, authors, etc
server owners are morons who think hiding plugin names will hide what plugins they use
uncut moss
editing permissions would probably break shit anyway
unkempt drift
well wait, none of that is controlled by acf
cedar spade
"ree using ACF breaks workflows for people doing stuff they shouldn't be doing in the first place"
unreal quarry
acf touches perms
unreal quarry
if acf doesnt register command perms then its a bug
limber knotBOT
didn't realize i installed the grammarly plugin jesus christ https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WA7ZLoFz/image.png
unreal quarry
and should be fixed in acf
unkempt drift
ok, I was more talking about setting perm defaults
unreal quarry
registering your command permissions is what controls your command showing in tab complete and /help to those with or without the perm
limber knotBOT
yeah no shit theyre not words https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ri41SgOU/image.png
finite wave
Ew
azure flower
Add to project dictionary
uncut moss
it was some project.test sources blabla doesn't depend on project.main sources
why does it do spell checking on gradle repos
limber knotBOT
ive made a mistake https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8xhMn8xt/image.png
finite wave
All strings get the spell pooper
limber knotBOT
try chew
uncut moss
that's a word
azure flower
Just you wait till you have a base64 string or similar
And random sets of 5 characters are typos
finite wave
nice
unreal quarry
"ree using ACF breaks workflows for people doing stuff they shouldn't be doing in the first place"
@cedar spade server owners wouldnt have to do that stuff if plugin authors used the command system properly and registered their command permissions ^_^
runs away
uncut moss
acf does
unreal quarry
i never said it didnt
finite wave
no
limber knotBOT
i never do
finite wave
It likes you too kash
unreal quarry
it helps, chew. in case something changes your code will then error there, letting you know its not overriding anymore because something changes 😉
its a good habit
limber knotBOT
ah big brain
cedar spade
If Bukkit was sane, we'd use its mechanisms
We've been over this, not repeating the same convo again
uncut moss
also makes the code way more readable
limber knotBOT
Also whats that thing that extends commandexector and tabcompleter
unreal quarry
We've been over this, not repeating the same convo again
@cedar spade just defending myself from your "reeee" comment
cedar spade
Thanks for the ping
finite wave
uncut moss
lol this server and people getting mad when you ping them
limber knotBOT
i never get mad
unreal quarry
like, its literally built into the "quote" feature of discord lol
limber knotBOT
I like that though, lets the author know you replied
serene bolt
i only get mad if someone keeps doing it while I'm actively talking to them so there's no way I could possibly be in a different server / channel / afk
limber knotBOT
i hate when people remove the quote
mention*
I leave the mention only if I'm directly responding to them
and not just adding to the message
serene bolt
I always remove it, just because people get mad about pings lol
uncut moss
i don't ping people in the middle of a conversation, only if they've likely left discord since they said something last time
limber knotBOT
and then theres me being mad at you removing it :p
uncut moss
but some people rage over that as well
serene bolt
people are always going to mad about everything regardless
limber knotBOT
I wish quoting was like real quoting
like when you quoted a message it'd embed the source or whatever
have some easy way of jumping to the message
uncut moss
serene bolt
discords quote is just lazy tbh
uncut moss
click the link
serene bolt
they were like "lets just use markdown and our tagging, easy"
limber knotBOT
i cant
unreal quarry
chew confirmed botting
limber knotBOT
unreal quarry
runs away
serene bolt
is that yet another screenshot of a 3rd party discord client I see from chew
limber knotBOT
no thats my irc client
uncut moss
is that
cloud slate
I just now saw that Aikar has somehow loaded/linked the content of another readme file in his main readme file (See his Commands repository for what I mean)
Is this like an uplink or whatever that is called? I would like to achieve the same result, to not have the same (large) text twice.
I hope it is somehow possible to use this with source files that aren't called readme...
uncut moss
minecraft font?
unreal quarry
@cloud slate link me
limber knotBOT
Mojangles
cloud slate
@unreal quarry https://github.com/aikar/commands/blob/master/README.md
limber knotBOT
Andre you seem familiar
golden gust
I mean
uncut moss
static badge
"symbolic link"
cloud slate
It just has docs/README.md and that loads the content somehow, but I can't get it to work for me
uncut moss
wouldn't that break if a windows user committed lol
static badge
shortcuts aren't symlinks 😠
golden gust
(if not, hard links)
serene bolt
both soft and hard yeah
golden gust
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbolic-links-symlinks-on-windows-or-linux/
vista+ apparently
unreal quarry
ah, vista. the one everyone loves to hate more than ME
golden gust
now I wanna see what XP does if you clone a repo with a symlink 
potent fossil
chew using irccloud 
potent fossil
yea i got one too
limber knotBOT
Oh ye the Arctic good boy badge
waxen panther
uwu
uncut moss
pretty much everyone has that
potent fossil
yea cuz didnt they archive damn near the whole site
uncut moss
and the first repo listed in that list for me is some repo i last contributed to in like 2017
limber knotBOT
repos that had at least.1 star i think
unreal quarry
so what they do? drop a flash drive with everyone's code into the arctic ice?
limber knotBOT
pretty much
uncut moss
wait will the archive be stored in the arctic seed vault thing?
if so that's kinda cool
waxen panther
not in the seed vault
limber knotBOT
i think so, theres a whole faq somewhere
cloud slate
I'm now generally confused... If I understand it right do I make a symlink to the file that should be displayed in the readme?
If that's the case, how am I do this? I don't really get this entire Symlink stuff...
waxen panther
in a repurposed coal mine near the seed vault
unreal quarry
idk.. everyone went nuts when nasa released some apollo flight navigator thing not long ago
zealous wedge
chew: idk who do you expect to subscribe and how much money do they have? and how much money do you need?
waxen panther
people aren't going to pay much for cat pictures sadly
seeing as theres forums with millions of them
uncut moss
pretty sure all apollo 11 code is available on github
limber knotBOT
i expect people to subscribe, they don't have the money their parents do, and can never have too much
unreal quarry
thats what i'm referencing, pep
i remember when they released it everyone went nuts
waxen panther
contributing files? 
unreal quarry
watching everyone go nuts i downloaded a copy too, in case i was the insane one for not going nuts
uncut moss
people who wrote that shit are giant nerds
waxen panther
assembly projects r cool
uncut moss
nowadays crew dragon uses electron
uncut moss
it does
waxen panther
not the actual core systems lol
uncut moss
the ui is electron
uncut moss
core systems are written in brainfuck
potent fossil
that project is hella cool, everytime someone links it i always go code diving
potent fossil
their star tables file is cool af tho, it provides absolute star positions such that if it knows its absolute position it can calculate relative distances to each defined 'waypoint' i guess
imagine writing a fucking guidance system
kek, i gotta join spacex
uncut moss
https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/blob/master/Luminary099/Q_R-AXIS_RCS_AUTOPILOT.agc here's an autopilot or something
potent fossil
oh yeah, this is custom assembly too
hah
just realized the file ends are .agc and the project is Apollo Guidance Computer (AGC)
kek that's sick, they had to make the hardware and then made the assembly for it, then wrote the guidance system in their custom language
supergeeks
cloud slate
Why does google have to be so stupid for such a simple search querry?
potent fossil
?
limber knotBOT
google and stupid go very well together
unreal quarry
@static badge i cant tell if thats a cigar in your avatar, or a juul..
fallen oracle
Juul
unreal quarry
😦 was hoping cigar
fallen oracle
It has a light on it
potent fossil
what query @cloud slate
unreal quarry
could be reflection on ribbon
static badge
it's a light
fallen oracle
I learned what a juul looked like last year when my random roommate heavily Vaped.
static badge
the cat actually... you know
potent fossil
cloud slate
@potent fossil I try to find out how to make the readme.md a symlink (or similar) to another file to display its content...
potent fossil
clearly
cloud slate
I'm just lost at this point
potent fossil
Andre I have no idea what that has to do with google but okay
you just make a normal symlink? lol
static pilot
@cunning raft glenn-stroek apparently still exists
i see it in game right now
i thought it got deleted
cunning raft
o
cloud slate
you just make a normal symlink? lol
@potent fossil Easier said than done for someone that doesn't do that much with this
Like I have 0 idea HOW to make one
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-create-symbolic-links-in-linux-using-the-ln-command/ -- Ln Command in Linux (Create Symbolic Links) | Linuxize: "Sep 6, 2019 ... ln is a command-line utility for creating links between files. By default, the ln command creates hard links. To create a symbolic..."
golden gust
on XP, it just appears to leave it as a file with the path to where the original is
potent fossil
oh, windows 
golden gust
I er... wrong button, apparently
potent fossil
.g how to make a symbolic link on windows
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16226/complete-guide-to-symbolic-links-symlinks-on-windows-or-linux/ -- The Complete Guide to Creating Symbolic Links (aka...: "Apr 20, 2020 ... Windows 10, 8, 7, and Vista all support symbolic links—also known as symlinks—that point to a file or folder on your system. You can..."
golden gust
static badge
STOP
static badge
CEASE
waxen panther
it should've stayed sitting there
golden gust
Probs not
I think it's just been slowly seeding updates as it's been turned on here and there over the past god knows how many months
true canyon
They pushed out a few critical updates for the worst of the worst exploits.
okay, maybe like one update - https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790030/microsoft-windows-xp-vista-security-updates-june-2017
golden gust
june 2017
cloud slate
@potent fossil Doesn't help that much as the guide is somewhat stupid to understand... What is a hard link, what is a soft link???
Also, I use git bash, so I can use the ln command there I suppose (if that's any better)
cosmic raft
potent fossil
Sigh
worn ember
how does one transfer files from mr windows to mr debian without sftp (cuz i forgot my masterpass lul)
potent fossil
A symlink/symbolic link/soft link are all the same thing. A hard link is an actual copy of the file with linking capability like file perms are synced etc. You want a symlink, don't read about hard links.
@cloud slate if you can use ln, then do the command I showed you
that's literally all you have to do
uncut moss
lol naming JSONObjects bob
limber knotBOT
thats literally what I do lmao
uncut moss
it's your code lol
cloud slate
@potent fossil Doesn't give the goal I hoped for.
It basically copies the content of the source over rather than generating the file as a link.
zealous wedge
stalker peppis
uncut moss
i was bored
potent fossil
???????????
uncut moss
and i had it open in some other tab
potent fossil
what the fuck are you trying to do then @cloud slate
cloud slate
I said it more than once so I won't repeat myself again here
potent fossil
did you do ln -s or ln
because if you did ln
you made a fucking hard link
which is no shit, exactly what you described
it is not anybody's fault but your own that you can't read and follow instructions
symlinks are uber simple to do
cloud slate
I of course added the -s
potent fossil
then you made a symlink, if that's not what you want then stop searching for fucking symlinks
explain what you want or fuck off
uncut moss
wowie
potent fossil
i make symlinks all the time, they make a reference to a file in another place
if that's not what you want then idk why you'd search for them
cloud slate
I essentially just want the readme to display the content of another file (relative to it) without it actually having that content. I linked Aikar's Commands repo before which uses this
serene bolt
sounds like a symbolic link to me
kindred storm
symlink is what you're looking for then
potent fossil
what is the exact symlink command that you used
in the context of git, the paths need to be relative
to the git repo
i would hope that is obvious but maybe it's not
cloud slate
ln -s README.md docs/index.md
README isn't created yet since that would cause ln to print an error
potent fossil
yeah...no shit
it's ln -s <source> <target>
if source doesn't exist...
how can it do anything...
uncut moss
lol that's kinda weird it should create the source if it doesn't exist tbh
kindred storm
no?
uncut moss
ok idk
uncut moss
oh the other way around then
kindred storm
yeah it is the other way around
uncut moss
thought target was the symlinked one
kindred storm
i know i used to get it confused too
potent fossil
my brain is about to hemorrhage
uncut moss
then shouldn't andre do ln -s docs/index.md README.md?
cloud slate
I reverted the target and source in my example above. I did use the other way around in the git bash
potent fossil
if that's what he wants...
dense flower
Hi
kindred storm
Hi
cloud slate
GitHub says no 🤷
potent fossil
mkdir symlinks
git init
mkdir -pv wow/a/deep/directory
nano wow/a/deep/directory/index.md -> "Hi"
ln -s ./wow/a/deep/directory/index.md README.md
git add .
git commit -m "wow"
git push origin master
This isn't rocket science. You're doing something wrong.
worn ember
copy pasting 1mil lines into nano was not such a great idea apparently
waxen panther
limber knotBOT
bro u good
waxen panther
no
serene bolt
is andre on windows or linux? don't feel like scrolling that far up to find out
waxen panther
this hour conversation pains me
potent fossil
He's on Windows.
limber knotBOT
what did i miss
cloud slate
Windows @serene bolt
limber knotBOT
tl;dr me or dont
potent fossil
When you install Git Bash on Windows, you need to enable Symbolic Links
serene bolt
hey andre, go to "C:\ProgramData\Git" and check your "config" and check if symlinks = true
potent fossil
If you did not, then they won't work. ^
cloud slate
@serene bolt Nope. it's apparently false.
I'll turn it on I guess
serene bolt
yup, that'd be why :P
kindred storm
Windows probably the issue
potent fossil
Yeah because you didn't enable it in installation.
waxen panther
vvvvvv
potent fossil
serene bolt
yeah, there's a checkbox for it in the git install
potent fossil
You didn't click it.
waxen panther
im going to click u
serene bolt
kinda weird that it's off by default in windows installer
cloud slate
Maybe because windows is a different link stuff from what I've read so far
serene bolt
symbolic links should be exactly the same but who knows
waxen panther
lol you'd think
limber knotBOT
void void
Anyone else having trouble with super high costs at the anvils?
When trying to merge to swords
cloud slate
@serene bolt Even tho I now set it to true (git config core.symlinks true) does it still just copy the content over... I just give up at this point.
I always hated git and this just strengthened my hate for it. The less I have to touch this the better for my sanity
serene bolt
what do you mean by copy the content over? copying the content would be a hard link / junction
symbolic is just a reference to it
kindred storm
xkcd git
potent fossil
look again at the picture of the installer
read VERY carefully
at the bottom of the option
please, go do it
carmine shell
what does chew do?
potent fossil
you also need to enable developer mode in windows 10, or run git bash as administrator
chew is a very sophisticated AI bot
no commands, it just talks
limber knotBOT
Exist and cry
carmine shell
🤔
limber knotBOT
I am a she thanks
carmine shell
its a webhook
limber knotBOT
Oh big brain you caught on
potent fossil
I said it under the ruse that you were a robot, I know you're a she
limber knotBOT
Robots can have gender >:(
serene bolt
everyone knows bots are genderless, or are they?
limber knotBOT
probably
carmine shell
this webhook is strange
limber knotBOT
Websocket Hookington
cloud slate
@potent fossil Can you shut up?
I seriously have enough of you. I know I am a pain for people like you, but your general responses where in no way welcoming for me to actually seek assistance. Not everyone has a master degree in git and other commands nor do we have the perfect english knowledge you may assume.
To answer here, I set the option in the git repos config to true which I would assume SHOULD affect the repo at the end. I even made a --global change here.
But anyway, as I said I give up, especially because people like you respond that rude.
carmine shell
and her purpose is just to talk?
potent fossil
i dont have time to sit here and help disrespectful fucks like that
third entry to block list
vestal jasper
Remember Andre, light theme is a religion.
kindred storm
carmine shell
why is chew called chew?
limber knotBOT
why are you called Mineinjava
vestal jasper
He makes crypto miners. In java. /s
carmine shell
why do people put /s at the end of their sentence
mighty storm
hey what the hell this bot is impersonating me
limber knotBOT
marks it as sarcasm
serene bolt
to indicate sarcasm, since sarcasm is hard to tell online
potent fossil
no one knows why people put /s, they just put it there /s
serene bolt
unless you're lax
limber knotBOT
then it's /s to indicate it's not sarcastic
peak dirge
Windows 
mighty storm
this bot stole my identity, can't have shit in detriot
void void
I’m gonna ask this here since most of you seem to be computer gurus...
void void
But there’s an exe that I’m currently running to read mangas
limber knotBOT
MANGAS
tired heath
I'm more like a comuter Buddha
limber knotBOT
kazi what this is the computer haters channel
void void
But every time I use a screenshot program it detects it
limber knotBOT
weeb spotted
limber knotBOT
i recommend taking a hammer to your computer
void void
Not sure how to bypass it
limber knotBOT
use paper
vestal jasper
Manga reader doesn't need admin
limber knotBOT
i stole my cat
vestal jasper
Fine another program that respects you as a user
void void
It’s webtoons to be specific
limber knotBOT
Manga? isnt that an empire that fell a hundred years ago
vestal jasper
So it doesn't respect you
limber knotBOT
pirate the manga then
void void
I’m not even sure HOW it detects my screenshot app
carmine shell
i have gotten onto the bad side of the webhooks
limber knotBOT
protip: if your career has led you to developing DRM, your career has failed
you should just retire
- Open a windows VM
- Screenshot the windows VM from main windows
vestal jasper
The best anti piracy is ease of access and making something worth the price.
limber knotBOT
i mean it's not a bad idea
worst case scneario your vm is toast, not your main computer
carmine shell
is the purpose of the bots to irritate people or to have fun
limber knotBOT
only to irritate you mine
Mineinjava depends on if the person/people we're talking to
in your case, irrate
irratate
vestal jasper
If it's lax, the point is to irritate
limber knotBOT
what how do i spell
uncut moss
irritate
limber knotBOT
do you feel irritated mine?
vestal jasper
I do
void void
limber knotBOT
Listen, if I wanted to ear a tate someone i would given them a potato in their ea
R
static pilot
does anyone here have a gtracing chair
carmine shell
this is what happens when the devs have too much time on their hands
vestal jasper
In 27 hours I'll be fully irate
tired heath
Hello I'm CEO of the world wide internet service center of certified web professionals, my name is John, how can I help you?
potent fossil
Hi John
tired heath
hello
potent fossil
Go fuck yourself
limber knotBOT
How do I uninstall java