general

[finite wave]

Swap is as slow as your disc

[minor badge]

the kernel plops stale apps on swap

[glass lava]

i just opened the log file from my vps server

[limber knot]

what you're running it on is irrelevant

[worn ember]

tell your system to not use swap

[olive marlin]

Barty tweak the vm swappiness value?

[limber knot]

the system ran out of ram

nothing more, nothing less

[glass lava]

yeah but not my pc

[waxen panther]

By default aikars flags have 10gb xmx and xms, if your system has less than that you need to change it accordingly

which the site mentions

[limber knot]

63 gb bruh

[waxen panther]

using swap 🅱️ad

[limber knot]

https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rfX4xbx5/image.png

[worn ember]

it'll use swap if it runs low on memory, not when it runs out

unless you change it

[limber knot]

the system will swap stuff that it doesn't think is important enough to be in memory

depends

if you have minecraft servers in swap it's gonna hurt

[golden gust]

depends on why it was swapped out

[olive marlin]

You need to tweak swappiness value if you want it to start swapping shit out later.

[minor badge]

im at 21GB/32GB and still 200MB in swap; it's completely normal to have some in swap

[worn ember]

tbh swapping is really bad for your drives lifespan

[glass lava]

do i need like 30 dollars to run a private mc server

[limber knot]

chew I hope that isn't your server :P

[golden gust]

In general, swapping is fine so long as active memory isn't being swapped

[limber knot]

rory left my room 😢

[glass lava]

it's ridiculous

[waxen panther]

shrug

[limber knot]

that is my server Amaranth lol

[golden gust]

No, once again, Reduce your Xmx

[worn ember]

ok lol

[glass lava]

i did

[golden gust]

Your heap memory is too high and so the OS ran out of ram

[glass lava]

it just crashes after a while

[golden gust]

how much ram does your VPS have?

[limber knot]

b​ru​hm​0m​en​t0​: no, if you want to run a private server just use your gaming pc

[worn ember]

[golden gust]

So, you need to drop it lower, apparently

[glass lava]

i dont have a gaming pc

[limber knot]

https://irc.probablycoding.com/uploads/2e31d67760ca3673/image.png

That's my laptop....

i only pay $14/mo for that though

[worn ember]

6.9% noice

[waxen panther]

haha sex number

[limber knot]

for what

[worn ember]

only fans

[limber knot]

oh your server?

how does one play minecraft without a gaming PC? Oo

my server yes

[glass lava]

it's literally a block game

[limber knot]

see previous screenshot

is it a vps?

yes

ah

[golden gust]

I mean, a not so efficent block game

[worn ember]

i like hetzner, they only charge for what you use

[limber knot]

You should be able to play Minecraft on a potato

[glass lava]

atleast in java edition

[golden gust]

MCs graphics are actually pretty complex for "just a block game"

[limber knot]

my dedi costs $110.97/mo

I have 8 discord bots + jenkins running on it lol

And you kind of can, the computers needed to run it well in 2010 are potatoes now

[golden gust]

Saying that, I can literally run it on a 2011 MBP

Not that it runs well

But, i can

[limber knot]

i run everything on my dedi

[glass lava]

i dont use shaders or anything

[crystal compass]

boi

[limber knot]

The computers needed to run it well in 2010 are slower than my smartphone

[glass lava]

so shoudlnt be a problem

[crystal compass]

how to fix le broken economy

[waxen panther]

idk bro

ask the government

[limber knot]

I wouldn't call "having 20fps with 3 chunks render distance" running

[waxen panther]

its not getting better 😔

[limber knot]

runs

[worn ember]

man i could run mc on an 8year old desktop that had 4gb of ddr2 and 2.4ghz processor

[glass lava]

they even rewrote the rendering engine!!!!

why doe

[waxen panther]

hahahhahahaha

[serene bolt]

Sodium made my 2010 laptop MC 1.16 run at 27 fps instead of 6 fps in vanilla

[glass lava]

to make it run faster?

[waxen panther]

You think Mojang rewritting something makes it better performing? thats cute

[limber knot]

why did OVH reset my 2FA

tf

They rewrote the rendering engine for MCPE

anything below 120fps is unplayable fite me

[crystal compass]

^

same

well

below 144

[waxen panther]

below 160 unlook-able

[limber knot]

Because the one they ported from Java was OpenGL 1.1 and phones don't support that

120fps on 60 without vsync ;)

i just noticed ovh randomly removed the 2fa from my account

[worn ember]

i monitor is 144hz lul

[limber knot]

oh

[glass lava]

yeah lwgjl right?

[limber knot]

Plus it's super inefficient anyway

[glass lava]

sorry mispelled it

[limber knot]

MCPE = pocket edition or

[golden gust]

Well, there is their renderdragon tech demo

[glass lava]

bedrock

[limber knot]

Pocket edition, bedrock, whatever

[worn ember]

ya'll underestimate how much calculations this "block game" needs to do

[golden gust]

There is hopes that they're gonna bring it to java, but, not garaunteed yet

[limber knot]

It was MCPE but once they started using it as just Minecraft on consoles and PC they renamed it Bedrock

mojang pls fix chunks/entities

unfuck them

i just forgot snapchat deletes messages ew

[worn ember]

you can save them for 24h

[golden gust]

chunks themselves are k now

[limber knot]

sync loads tho

[glass lava]

btw why you're using bot accounts guys

[golden gust]

Lighting is where the real bitch is

[limber knot]

kills the server

[golden gust]

sync loads are normal

[limber knot]

ah

[golden gust]

that's lighting delaying the load

[limber knot]

my server crashes daily from sync loading, leaf said it's related to lighting i guess

[mental meadow]

The bots are on irc

[golden gust]

The chunks themselves load fast as shit in paper

[limber knot]

basically it's already overloaded

[worn ember]

i have had the lighting queue lock up multiple times in 1.16

[limber knot]

bot accoutns?

and the sync load sends it over the edge

it's clearly a webhook

[glass lava]

yeah

mr smart

[limber knot]

I don' t underestimate it at all, people expecting the game to support even a dozen players who all have their own mob farms and redstone machines and such are delusional

ms* tvym

[worn ember]

yeah

[golden gust]

Apparently, mojang went 10/10 engineering

[limber knot]

Even if it was perfectly coded that'd be too much for most computers to keep up with

what tells you that the lighting queue is locked up?

[golden gust]

there is a queue for the lighting queue

[limber knot]

queue for the queue?

[worn ember]

bruh moment

[limber knot]

por queue?

Amaranth: because it has done that in the past

[golden gust]

Well, the next phase after "features" is lighting

[limber knot]

so people don't generally expect massive regressions

[worn ember]

ah yes priorities

[golden gust]

when the chunk is stuck at features and the lighting thread is going 10 to the dozen

[limber knot]

In the past it allowed every player to have 1000 mobs?

well i'm not saying that

[worn ember]

smh just use the plague plugin

[limber knot]

i'm saying even with extremely restricted mob farms it performs worse than when people could do whatever the fuck they wanted with mob farms and still not lag

[glass lava]

1.12 runned perfectly on my 2gb server

[worn ember]

well its 2020 now

[glass lava]

it's all downhill from 1.13

[worn ember]

shits requires more computing power

[glass lava]

no matter why 2b2t didn't switch

[worn ember]

thats like saying omg bf4 doesnt run on my 8 year old potato while battlefield vietnam did!!!

[limber knot]

yeah the new villagers require a super computer to run

[glass lava]

just sayin

[robust wraith]

let's see if paper can help xd

[worn ember]

i agree its not as performant as it used to be but theres also a lot more features

for better or worse

[limber knot]

the features shouldn't lag the way they do

Villagers, pilligers, and piglin are very expensive

they don't need to be, just ended up that way

[worn ember]

imo they shouldnt even have to be in the game but obviously thats not my decision

[glass lava]

also the technical update

[limber knot]

agree ded

You could make them cheaper but to support letting everyone have their own you'd have to just remove their features to do so

piglins did not need to become budget villagers

[waxen panther]

Poglins

[golden gust]

Mojang don't program for 100 slot servers

[worn ember]

[limber knot]

i hope mojang stops going down that road

[worn ember]

well they should honestly

cuz its what keeps their game alive

[golden gust]

Well, it woud be cool if they did

Not really

[limber knot]

can't wait for datapacks to be able to define AI on the base of piglins/villagers AI ;D

i wish I could just yank their AI completely

[golden gust]

according to what stats they have, single player is just as if not more important to them

[limber knot]

you "can", barty

[serene bolt]

someone actually made a patch that like removes most of the villagers unique ai / behaviors and makes them use dumb AI but still work as traders

[limber knot]

just setAware(false)

or PR a proper api ;)

my solution was to just remove villagers

[worn ember]

onEntitySpawn -> entity.delete

[limber knot]

could just remove the players directly

[void void]

i just disguise zombies as villagers

[limber knot]

lol

That's the main way you make the game faster though, you remove features

i just don't think villagers are a good mechanic and aren't worth the headache

[serene bolt]

https://github.com/tr7zw/YAPFA/blob/master/patches/server/0057-Option-for-simpler-Villagers.patch

take a look at this, I haven't tested it but it just makes them dummies

[limber knot]

well I and my players like to play Minecraft ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void void]

i think i'll start paying some people to play as villagers....

[worn ember]

everything that generates something from nothing is broken imo

[void void]

in disguise

[limber knot]

i never saw villagers as an essential mechanic

glances at the MC world generator

[finite wave]

Async villagers when

[limber knot]

it's just a dupe factory for items

a laggy one

[twin lagoon]

you'd have to rewrite the entire villager AI probably @finite wave

[limber knot]

barty: your opinion doesn't matter though, what matters is what Mojang puts into the game

[worn ember]

mc load balancer when

[finite wave]

Gl michael

[glass lava]

cuberite does that right

[limber knot]

Mojang writes the game for single player primarily and multiplayer only for the scenario where you and a few friends build things together

So you're sharing all your expensive farms and machines

[heady spear]

@waxen panther you are bad

[worn ember]

can you do seamless world transfer yet?

[waxen panther]

why

why are you back

[twin lagoon]

seamless world transfer?

for what

[heady spear]

I am not

[waxen panther]

hmm

[limber knot]

The only time they care about any other way to play the game is minigames you can write via datapacks :P

sure, ded

[worn ember]

well then techincally you could have different servers operate different sections of the world but i feel that would only work properly as a theory and not in practise

[limber knot]

fastconnect played with that concept but had some issues

as long as mojang continues improving resource packs I will be happy

but there's nothing stopping you from faking one large world

(beyond time/money)

[worn ember]

yeah but it'd nicer if you didnt get loading screens

[limber knot]

and I guess floating point errors

[heady spear]

@waxen panther I missed you

[limber knot]

you don't

[worn ember]

especially if you live on a border lol

[limber knot]

The same effort could go in to making the game support splitting the world up into regions that can tick independently

[waxen panther]

missed u 2

haven't seen you in ages

years

[limber knot]

So you can scale up instead of out, would be more useful for most people

[worn ember]

ig that could work too

[limber knot]

there's definitely many ways that would work ded

[worn ember]

whos gonna bother with that tho

[limber knot]

It'd be about the same amount of work

[worn ember]

scaling out is easier

[limber knot]

just sounds like a pain in the ass

[worn ember]

yeah

[limber knot]

Actually it'd probably be easier than doing seamless world transfer

you don't ever need to notify the player that he's switchting instances if you do it right

[worn ember]

and idk if it would even be worth the time

[heady spear]

@waxen panther why are you not in IS

[twin lagoon]

because IS sucks

[waxen panther]

you kicked me dumbass

[heady spear]

well come back

[limber knot]

technically you don't even need to switch instances to load balance, just do one instance per player

then sync all the rest

[quartz peak]

Plugins are made off of java or JavaScript? Or both

[worn ember]

well idk how any of that would work

[mental meadow]

Yay city is back ❤️

[worn ember]

im not even going to attempt it

[heady spear]

am i tho

[worn ember]

no

[glass lava]

java dude

[cosmic raft]

yes

[limber knot]

Technically you could write plugins in Java, Kotlin, Scala, Python, JavaScript, etc

you have one server per per player, then sync stuff like mob AI, interactions, other players etc. between instances

[glass lava]

in lua

for cuberite

[worn ember]

thats like 99% overhead tho xD

[glass lava]

yea

i write my plugins in c

but planning to switch to assembler

[true canyon]

There's a ruby plugin loader on bukkitdev

[finite wave]

Demon has a wat framework for his rust signz plugin

[glass lava]

oh yeah forgot rust

[finite wave]

It doesn’t implement the whole api tho

[glass lava]

i don't like the syntax please dont kill me

[worn ember]

sorry you're already dead

[limber knot]

lua for plugins wouldn't be that slow

[worn ember]

i wasnt refering to that

[finite wave]

Cuberite does lua

[limber knot]

wait what there is mbax

[glass lava]

yeah kinda bruh

[limber knot]

Most of the heavy lifting is done in other languages, the lua is just telling those pieces what to do

[worn ember]

roblox uses lua too

and so does gta5

[limber knot]

World or Warcraft uses lua

[glass lava]

so does hl:alyx

[worn ember]

gmod etc

[limber knot]

lots of modding apis are in lua

doesn't make it a better language 👀

[quartz peak]

Probably explains why I can’t figure out how to make a GTAV server

[worn ember]

well ur bad

[limber knot]

one of those a lot of users ≠ good thing

[worn ember]

yeah look at irc, oh wait

[limber knot]

javascript, lua, python ;D

oh, and php

I'm not a fan of the language, just saying using it for modding isn't slow

irc is exactly that, not a lot of users but a lot better than discord in every single way lol

[worn ember]

ok boomer 🙂

[limber knot]

Unless your API sucks and/or your mod is doing way too much or is poorly made

i am not a companion from Super Paper Mario, but that would be fun

[glass lava]

what irc client

[limber knot]

well, a Pixl

[glass lava]

guys

[limber knot]

thelounge

irssi duh

[urban depot]

Can ncp detect 'killauralegit' from Wurst?

[worn ember]

hey guys what isis client do you use

[glass lava]

ligma

client

[limber knot]

sugma

[worn ember]

loss?

[waxen panther]

Captain Comedy over here

[static pilot]

isis uses telegram

[worn ember]

no wonder they got rekt

[urban depot]

how did you know that

[limber knot]

If a client implements a thing to automatically act like a high skill player and not do obvious things like attack behind you or react instantly you can't detect it

[worn ember]

is there any hacked clients than have machine learning pvp combat?

[urban depot]

mk

[worn ember]

keep up people

its 2020 everything needs to be ai

[urban depot]

well i dont want does on my server

[worn ember]

idk ig they like cookie clicker type of games

[limber knot]

Ooh, use a GAN and train it against NCP until it can perfectly execute just below the mark NCP would flag it

[worn ember]

i bet "hardcore pvpers" go through 3 mouses a year from spamclicking left mouse

[urban depot]

then get impaled by tridents from other players

[waxen panther]

implying they dont just use auto clickers like they children they are

[worn ember]

ah yes the classic mouse wrists

[urban depot]

it's because of the stupid design of the mouse

[heady spear]

@waxen panther I actually hate you

[glass lava]

guys there's more than just clicking to it

[waxen panther]

good

aw

thank u

[urban depot]

why not have a completely different type of controller next to your laptop/pc

[worn ember]

i suffer from that too, but only because i fucked up my thumb when i was younger and its not 100% in the right spot anymore

[urban depot]

like an air one which you control with your hands

[worn ember]

i wish

it sometimes locks up

[waxen panther]

@heady spear i rejoined I -- -- -- S

[worn ember]

and i cant move it anymore xD

[urban depot]

or a glove so that you put your hand flat and move to move the cursor and then bend your index finger to leftclick

[limber knot]

pvp is good only if i win

[worn ember]

then i gotta "snap" it

xD

it doesnt hurt or anything

[waxen panther]

gross

[glass lava]

yo but that guy who obtained bedrock in survival mc is pretty chad

[heady spear]

@waxen panther doesn't matter, you're still horrible

and also stink

and I think you're the worst

[worn ember]

@heady spear plz keep ur drama out of this server

[glass lava]

yeah i do

actually

bye

[urban depot]

Some one got bedrock??

[heady spear]

shut up barty

[glass lava]

yeah earthcomputer

[urban depot]

probs cheats i guess

[heady spear]

@worn ember I've never had any drama

ever

drama free

[glass lava]

nah real mc code exploiton!!!

[heady spear]

LTT uses it 👀

[worn ember]

that server is actually pretty cool

[waxen panther]

I've fucked up making my coffee 3 times in a row now

[cloud slate]

How can you do this? 👀
(Like is this available for everyone?)

[waxen panther]

and i blame city

completely

[urban depot]

imagine a dev making their own public plugins secretly give them free op gear

[waxen panther]

create a repo with your name and make a readme in it andre

[urban depot]

on the public servers

[limber knot]

Andre yeah

just make a repo with the same name as your name

liek Chew/Chew

[heady spear]

Oi!

[waxen panther]

Mine is the default one

[mental meadow]

Oi

[limber knot]

I hid all my details in a dropdown

so you have to view

[fierce wedge]

City's back

smh

[limber knot]

click to view

[heady spear]

fuck u dords

[waxen panther]

can't shit talk about him in here anymore :/

[earnest marsh]

Hello, I have a problem starting my Minecraft, maybe someone can help me?

[waxen panther]

Minecraft or Paper?

[earnest marsh]

Minecraft

[finite wave]

no

[earnest marsh]

ok thanks

[golden gust]

Well, potentially; Just, we'd need info

We don't really deal with the client, so, 🤷‍♂️

[earnest marsh]

ok, My problem is the following when I try to start Minecraft: "The game crashed whilst initializing game
Error: java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError "and I don't know what to do. Can you help me?

[glass lava]

you should send the full log tho

[earnest marsh]

ok wait

[glass lava]

yeah but im not gonna help you

because im installing arch linux

because someone made fun ofme for using ubuntu

[golden gust]

lol ubuntu

.paste

[limber knot]

Please paste large logs to a pastebin: https://paste.gg

[glass lava]

now im gonna use arch + i3

and escrotum for screenshots

[golden gust]

hehe, he said scrotum

[finite wave]

Hot

[glass lava]

https://github.com/Roger/escrotum

real project guys

[golden gust]

don't care

[glass lava]

or girls

[golden gust]

said scrotum

topkek

[glass lava]

yeah that's the joke

[cosmic raft]

there we go

I've joined the profile readme.md club

https://github.com/kashike

[serene bolt]

:O

[finite wave]

Oh, that is very detailed kash

[serene bolt]

wow lot's of detail, very descriptive and engaging to read

[spice finch]

[wide hazel]

I'm sure that's only a quarter of them 😛

[spice finch]

why github's sponsor instead of onlyfans, kashike?

[glass lava]

github is bad use bitbucket

[cunning raft]

no

[spice finch]

bitbucket is bad use github

[glass lava]

github is bad use gitlab

[vestal jasper]

Kash is secretly a part of all orgs, those are just the ones he likes :^)

[glass lava]

ok now im just making controversies

[spice finch]

yeah say that you're using 1.8, you'll make more controversies

[glass lava]

what about 1.12?

[quasi valley]

now everyone else should put "not kashike" in their readme

[cosmic raft]

there

https://github.com/kashike

a better one

[quasi valley]

Hallo

[serene bolt]

I feel like I really know you now

[spice finch]

might

https://github.com/kashike/kashike
Deserves for star

[true canyon]

second star reporting in

[finite wave]

first pr reporting in.

[cosmic raft]

@finite wave not accurate though

[finite wave]

Dangit

[glass lava]

hey skript syntax is pretty good

[cosmic raft]

you won't see me over at spigot

[mossy vessel]

imagine receiving prs to your personal repos

[finite wave]

Jealous

[worn ember]

imagine receiving pr's in general tbh

[finite wave]

If you wrote your shit in kotlin i'd pr to it ded.

[worn ember]

sure you would

[quasi valley]

[cosmic raft]

labelled the PR

[finite wave]

nice label

[worn ember]

Jan

[finite wave]

yes

[worn ember]

u smell

[finite wave]

thx

I was gonna make a your mom joke, but i'm too lazy to make it sfw.

[worn ember]

yeah imagine having a discord with 13 year olds in smh

[olive marlin]

https://hangar.minidigger.me is the "new" hangar, right?

[finite wave]

Should be probabbly.

[worn ember]

looks like the old?

[minor badge]

thats old yes

[olive marlin]

Yeah, looks like there's more than I'd expect from rewrite.

That's why I'm asking.

[worn ember]

idk if he's still even using ore

i dont remember

[finite wave]

https://github.com/MiniDigger/Hangar2

[quasi valley]

yes

[cunning raft]

at choco

[true canyon]

That old one is Ore-based, as seen from the icon in the embed. ❤️ ore

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley hangar eta wen

[quasi valley]

[true canyon]

@quasi valley minidigger when

[quasi valley]

no u

[true canyon]

no, us 🙂

[limber knot]

anybody got the entire bee-movie-script in their github profile description yet?

[sleek tree]

Haha.

[limber knot]

https://github.com/anuraghazra/github-readme-stats is pretty cool

[void void]

does anyone know a plugin that shows playtime over all worlds and not just one world, im on 1.16 and all the playtime plugins i could find did it in a way that it only gets the playtime from one world stats folder

[limber knot]

the stats are global for each server, there is only one file per player in the main world

[void void]

oh really?

damn github really made a new way to flex with your internet points

or numbers, w.e

[limber knot]

;D

[void void]

either way i made a readme as well

[finite wave]

wtf

[foggy elbow]

Hello,
At high player counts, the 1.16 perform how compared to 1.15.2 please ? 🙂
( on a real production server, not just 100 bots connected without moving )

[twin lagoon]

idk

try it and see

[foggy elbow]

best argument 🤔

[twin lagoon]

it is

[finite wave]

https://i.imgur.com/Yra4WIx.png

[limber knot]

👀

[finite wave]

That's a big readme

[foggy elbow]

[limber knot]

not using spoilers

[void void]

should prolly use icons

idk

fug that, not today

[finite wave]

what

I can't add reactions 😭

[azure flower]

does anyone know a plugin that shows playtime over all worlds and not just one world, im on 1.16 and all the playtime plugins i could find did it in a way that it only gets the playtime from one world stats folder
@void void
It won't help you with previous stats, but you could look into plan https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/plan-player-analytics.32536/
Tracks playtime and much more besides

Haven't had a single issue with plan in the 9 months I've had it, so can't comment

[foggy elbow]

1 .16 of course performs worse than 1.15.2
😭

[limber knot]

helo

[cosmic raft]

sigh

[serene bolt]

😦

[void arch]

guys

i've updated to 1.16

and mobs seems to be immortal?

lol

any idea what this could be?

[lament patio]

#paper-help

[cedar spade]

helo

[limber knot]

omg its md

[olive marlin]

I have to work on the UI a bit, and add more backends, but I feel like I'm getting somewhere 🙂

[cedar spade]

omg its barty

barty essx patreon wen

jk

[limber knot]

moneys tight md

i can't go willy nilly throwing money around

[cedar spade]

bought CMI

[limber knot]

shush

that was 16 months ago

[cedar spade]

point stands

[latent valve]

Wonder why barty on irc

Did u got nuked? Haha

[finite wave]

He is just being weird

[spice finch]

@olive marlin what's mineager project?

[limber knot]

hi barty

barty essx patreon wen

essx sponsor on github when

[cedar spade]

maybe

but also it's awkward to split everything between open collective/github and patreon

[limber knot]

just do exclusively github

[cedar spade]

we already have people supporting on patreon, no real reason to kill it other than to stop current supporters donating

[olive marlin]

@olive marlin what's mineager project?
@spice finch CLI for plugin management - install, view status (if updates are available etc) and download updates.

[limber knot]

oh makes sense

[spice finch]

Has it already Hangar support?

Also, nice project. What lang is it in?

[olive marlin]

That's why I asked today for hangar - but it looks like new one doesn't have API yet.

I could implement ORE API, but there's a lot of internal work to be done still.

It's python.

Sucks that I can't automate updates from Spigot/Bukkit sites.

[spice finch]

:( I'd love to contribute if it was Go, unfortunately don't know python well

[olive marlin]

But at least I can show status of the Spigot plugins and give you direct download links if they are outdated.

[spice finch]

Cool so far, have fun growing it :)

[olive marlin]

I hope beta by the end of the month, but doubt it lol

I want to have first release when I can manage all plugins I use with it.

So I need to fixup Github integration and Spiget, add Jenkins API support and I think something else too.

[limber knot]

what

[olive marlin]

It's a PoC so far.

[wide chasm]

Afaik dev.bukkit has an API for uploading updates

[olive marlin]

Hmm, I looked at it quickly and saw CF in my requests and decided not to touch it. But I didn't see the API

[limber knot]

curseforge offers an api

the old bukkit auto updater uses that

[olive marlin]

http://bukget.org/documentation/

Nice.

[limber knot]

that's not what I mean

https://www.curseforge.com/docs/api

hm, apparently that's dead

[olive marlin]

I saw https://authors.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/projects/529-api

[limber knot]

and their developers link links to twitch

eww

yeah, that's what you want

[olive marlin]

But you need to authenticate and that's just unnecessary complexity tbh.

[limber knot]

"CurseForge includes a maven endpoint" TIL

[olive marlin]

Maybe at some point - not at PoC stage lol

[potent fossil]

lmao curseforge literally threatened to ban @fallen oracle and I for wanting to build a scraper because they don't expose any proper APIs

[limber knot]

don't think you need to auth to download updates 👀

[potent fossil]

They have one, but it's third party, and could go down any time, and also only has like 3 endpoints

[limber knot]

looks at the api docs that are clearly not third-party

[olive marlin]

The one I linked requires auth for everything from its doc.

[potent fossil]

did they make some??

cuz they were third party... lol

[limber knot]

pretty sure the updater here still works (without auth): https://github.com/ChestShop-authors/ChestShop-3/blob/master/src/main/java/com/Acrobot/ChestShop/Updater/Updater.java

[vast wyvern]

I always hear survival server owners saying that the server is lagging "because people are generating new chunks." Why does generating a chunk for the first time take longer than subsequent loads? Does minecraft cache data about chunks after loading them for the first time to make the next load faster? It seems like that would take a lot of storage. I always imagined that minecraft generates chunks from scratch every time you load them based on the seed/chunk coordinates, then adds stored player modifications like block places, which would take the same amount of time every load. I don't really know anything about worldgen but thats just how I imagined it works.

[limber knot]

capital package names reee

[potent fossil]

is this new?

[limber knot]

this is chestshop

[potent fossil]

we last looked in late 2019 before corona

[limber knot]

it's everything but new

[potent fossil]

when was api added tho

because it was not there prior

[limber knot]

2011?

runs

[potent fossil]

wtf?

[limber knot]

http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/96681/

sorry, it's 2012

[potent fossil]

are their people just retarded then? we couldn't find one, asked, and we were threatened with permabans

[olive marlin]

@vast wyvern once minecraft generates chunk, it saves it all.

[potent fossil]

Glare can vouch

I ain't talking shit rn

[vast wyvern]

really?

[limber knot]

scrapping is obviously a banable offense, lmao

[potent fossil]

We didn't say scrape at first, we asked for author/resource APIs akin to what I do for spigot

Same info

[olive marlin]

Yes, but it has many tricks it uses to try to keep the size down.

[potent fossil]

Couldn't get it all and they wouldn't help

[vast wyvern]

that explains 500GB world downloads lmao

[potent fossil]

Oh that's right, we could get most resource info but no author info

[limber knot]

I mean bukkit itself is pretty much dead

[potent fossil]

but this is curseforge platform, not specifically bukkit

[limber knot]

maybe Overwolf will improve the api situation ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[potent fossil]

they should expose author data

[olive marlin]

that explains 500GB world downloads lmao
@vast wyvern how big? Lol

[limber knot]

twitch/amazon/bezos never really cared about curseforge, lol

they only bought hte users

[dapper nacelle]

simple, you use nuxt, right?

[potent fossil]

correct

yes

[dapper nacelle]

is typescript supported better on nuxt then on vue

[limber knot]

i love that progression

[potent fossil]

its supported, i dont use it though

[dapper nacelle]

last time I tried typescript on vue I nearly killed myself

[wide chasm]

We have a $5 PayPal reward now, so I'm happy

[dapper nacelle]

airbnb config on ES-lint

[potent fossil]

you should just have to installer the ts loader and then set script lang to typescript

https://typescript.nuxtjs.org/

there, docs

[dapper nacelle]

the linter was not optimised for use with typescript

[potent fossil]

it has a linter

you have to use new nuxt though, not nuxt 1.x

[fallen oracle]

Can confirm.

[potent fossil]

i was wrong when i tagged you

they DO have an api, for resources

it has a little bit of info, not all of it but we could work with it

just no author info at all

[fallen oracle]

They had something at the time but it wasn't what we needed.

[potent fossil]

correct

but, this looks nice...don't think we saw this before http://bukget.org/documentation/

[fallen oracle]

Ooo

[potent fossil]

no author info tho kek

you can get a list of plugins by author, which is good

but no author profile info

[limber knot]

dev bukkit has tons of semi-maintained legacy stuff

[fallen oracle]

It was last updated 2016

[potent fossil]

looks like they do scraping tho, phoenix lol

[limber knot]

I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot poole

[potent fossil]

The system parses BukkitDev every 6 hours and looks for new changes in the data to update.

parses

looks

I haven't seen such words describe a proper REST/JSON api

[olive marlin]

Bukget is Spiget - just for different pages from the looks of it.

[cedar spade]

the system has eyes 😠

[potent fossil]

yeah well spiget scrapes as well

well now they use my api and scrape for other stuff

[cedar spade]

don't judge the system

[potent fossil]

i have no issue with scraping, glare and I were gonna scrape curseforge for bdo stuff

im replying to phoenix still

just commenting on how curseforge threatened to permaban us but bukget can do it with no issues

[limber knot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

bukget was semi official while bukkit still existed afaik

I assume it's in the same limbo as spiget nowadays

[olive marlin]

I'd scrape, but I'd have to make sure that my requests will pass through CF.

[potent fossil]

Thread.sleep(5000)

[fallen oracle]

I mean tbf it was 4 years ago or so

Scrape what?

[olive marlin]

And now CF just caches them and can't do much.

Bukkit site.

[fallen oracle]

Ahh

[potent fossil]

i hope curse just dies

[limber knot]

it was just bought, lol

[olive marlin]

I hope spigot dies.

[limber knot]

didn't curseforge get bought by overworlf

[potent fossil]

i realize that

that doesnt change my statement

[cedar spade]

why? it's more than suitable for most things other than Bukkit

[wide chasm]

I hope Overwolf just makes it better and semi-alive

[limber knot]

I highly doubt overwolf will suddenly do a complete 180 on their statement of keeping it alive

[potent fossil]

because they don't have any actual proper APIs, if overwolf steps it up then that would be great

jesus phoenix, that's not what im saying

im not saying "i think overwolf is gonna fuk this up" stop putting words in my mouth

i said, i hope it dies, regardless of who is controlling it (because of no actual proper APIs)

[cedar spade]

tfw you use the acronym CF in the one context where it could mean anything

[fallen oracle]

Maybe you need to make one for Bukkit like you did for Spigot.

Mini said there will be good API for Hangar, so, we will be able to probably implement support day 1.

[potent fossil]

i reached out, was told to make a suggestion on their QA site, so i did and it was ignored

[wide chasm]

Do we have anything better for plugins? Spigot isn't much better in terms of functionality, MC market is a shitfest from what I hear, anything else?

[potent fossil]

yea hangar is literally ore

we already support hangar cuz mini copied it from sponge

[cedar spade]

hangar, eventually

[limber knot]

twitch is not the best company in regards to adding api anyways 👀

[cedar spade]

mini's rewriting it, hangar != ore

[fallen oracle]

He's going to make the API better

Like, not case sensitive.

[potent fossil]

ah yes of course

[wide chasm]

Sure, when Hangar arrives, that'd be nice, but for now

[potent fossil]

at least spigot has some sort of an API now. it's not as great as i'd like bc md won't allow file downloads and other random stuff

so...

[cedar spade]

SpigotMC has the most traffic, otherwise main alternatives are Paper forums for listing and GitHub for hosting

[potent fossil]

but, still

[wide chasm]

Just, none of these sites have nearly the same functionality as dev.bukkit

[potent fossil]

if dbo just added some nice APIs, dbo would be back on top. they're running a site for devs, and then neglecting what the devs want

that's my take :))

[limber knot]

if dbo just used open source software all of this would've been a non-issue, lmao

[wide chasm]

Yeah, I'd like it as well

[true canyon]

dbo hasn't been a priority for the folks running it since the very start. Why would that change now?

[limber knot]

lots of shit went wrong in the early days of bukkit imo

[true canyon]

The new owners aren't going to see much value in it compared to other more active sites

[potent fossil]

im holding out hope bc of what others have said

[limber knot]

I mean dbo is basically the same as curseforge nowadays which is the "main" site

[potent fossil]

i dont particularly see it happening

[limber knot]

(at least of curseforge)

[potent fossil]

i still think glare and I will be writing scrape shit

because they won't add any APIs, im about 90% sure

[limber knot]

just use whatever api the twitch client is using

that's how all third party twitch projects work amirite?

[wide chasm]

I'm getting traffic from it, so, not completely dead yet

[unkempt drift]

WE still uses dbo

right?

[wide chasm]

Yep

[limber knot]

also vault

[void void]

vault got update recently

[fallen oracle]

Vault is on Spigot.

[void void]

looked at the chat message and were like wut

[limber knot]

google favours bdo iirc

HMMMMMM https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QmOlSJe5/image.png

[void void]

huh

[limber knot]

https://is.papr.best/fNPZQ54f.png

[void void]

ah found it

[wide chasm]

I'm just hoping that dbo gets more activity again at some point.

[limber knot]

whats dbo

[wide chasm]

dev.bukkit.org

[limber knot]

we'll have to wait and see what kind of monetization options overwolf is going to add tbh

[wide chasm]

I care, so I just need to infiltrate ;)

[limber knot]

to me their marketplace is way better than spigot

because the current one is only based on ads which is a pretty dumb business model

[twin lagoon]

DBO has always consisted out of plugins that just "worked" for me

lol

no premium bullshit

[dapper nacelle]

I wish spigot would automatically instantiate listener classes and add them to the handler list

[twin lagoon]

wget support

[vestal jasper]

The shitters go to spigot

[limber knot]

but overwolf does in-app ads so we'll see that in plugins too 👀

[twin lagoon]

hell even a fucking plugin from CB 1.7.9 still is in use for us

and it works fine

[cosmic raft]

@spare venture not here

[limber knot]

I love how you can see what versions each release is set for, upload dates, etc. and mark updates as releases or betas

[wide chasm]

Overwolf said they wouldn't want to do in-app I think

[limber knot]

what?

[cosmic raft]

curse, mcprohosting, bukkit gamepedia, spigot

[limber knot]

also overwolf does paid apps too so I really hope it gets added to curseforge too

interesting

i've never even visited shockbytes website before

I bet they are going to take a cut though :/

wonder why curse is at the top, do people use it that much?

[wide chasm]

Probably never going to make anything premium myself, but would be a fine option I guess

[limber knot]

it's the number one site for mods

[worn ember]

is there an easy way to decompile a jar and use it in its entirety in intellij to develop on?

[cosmic raft]

yes barty

[limber knot]

yeah for mods

[cosmic raft]

yes

[limber knot]

but "minecraft plugins" top result is curse

[cosmic raft]

plugins == mods

[limber knot]

i guess

[twin lagoon]

hello kashike

[cosmic raft]

there is no difference aside from what platform they run on

hi michelle

[potent fossil]

i mean they literally are server mods

[limber knot]

it's called seo 👀

oh curse is exactly the same as dbo

[twin lagoon]

can we get a brighter project developer colour @cosmic raft

thx

[limber knot]

didnt realize that

dbo was bought by curse ages ago, lol

yeah

i didnt realize that plugins are exactly the same on there

[wide chasm]

But all in all, Overwolf looks like a way better fit than Twitch for the project, so that's something.

[limber knot]

download count is the same, et.

worldedit in purple: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/worldedit ;)

oh wait, that's the wrong one

[wide chasm]

I think you can disable sync. with dbo and curse, but, yeah pretty much the same

[limber knot]

this is the one I meant to link: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/bukkit-plugins/worldedit/ xD

I wonder, did curseforge just take the existing dbo backend and expanded that to mods and stuff with a different style?

[potent fossil]

might just be a transform layer in between the two systems

[wide chasm]

I thought mods were already on curse before dbo acquisition?

[potent fossil]

i think forge stuff was

i was always confused because forge was on curseforge, i ended up thinking forge == curseforge

that was years ago tho

[limber knot]

well maybe I misremember things but the two systems were always pretty much alike, no idea when the change actually was

[potent fossil]

damn im more than half way through Feralas atm record time

[wide chasm]

Yeah, I remember them being similar, but it'd make more sense to reuse the existing stuff and just use that instead of trying to integrate dbo's stuff in there imo

[worn ember]

curseforge is really confusing tbh

they have like 5 platforms

they did clean it up a bit recently tho

[wide chasm]

That's what you get when different people take over stuff constantly

[worn ember]

and then twitch happend

[limber knot]

I wonder if anybody has made a history chart for aquisitions related to dbo/minecraftwiki/minecraftforums yet lol

[wide chasm]

And Twitch neglected it other than messing up my account and forcing Twitch stuff on me

[limber knot]

the twitch way!™

[worn ember]

yeah

[limber knot]

curse's downfall alone is a freaking trainwreck: https://spigot.club/i/fKcCUh7g.png

[worn ember]

i was locked out of it for like half a year

cuz twitch was retarded

[limber knot]

I have like 3 different wiki accounts due to their constant transitions -.-

and my main one has some random ass shit username that I can't change because wikia fandom sucks

[worn ember]

wait what

[wide chasm]

Oh Amazon is involved as well? lol

[worn ember]

overwolf owns it now?

[wide chasm]

Yes

[worn ember]

i didnt even know that

[limber knot]

overwolf owns curseforge

[wide chasm]

Authors got a mail

[limber knot]

https://medium.com/overwolf-developers/a-new-home-for-curseforge-44cbb3add844

it's the typical way of amazon of selling stuff it doesn't need anymore

[cedar spade]

Amazon never needed it in the first place

[limber knot]

we can only hope twitch wont get sold to tencent or something lol

they wanted the users

by forcing the twitch client to install modpacks

[wide chasm]

Ugh tencent

[worn ember]

is that where the amazon gift cards came from?

[limber knot]

no

[cedar spade]

Yes, who proceeded to continue using the Twitch app as they used the Curse app before it

[limber knot]

they were always done manually

as far as I can tell the curse aquisition by twitch was in order to push their own game store in their twitch client

we all know how that worked out...

[wide chasm]

Twitch had a game store?

[limber knot]

yeah

[finite wave]

It sucked ass

[limber knot]

at least it was better than discord's 👀

[finite wave]

That sucks too

[limber knot]

unpopular opinion: the minecraft wiki should've never moved to gamepedia and should've stayed independent

[cedar spade]

Discord's was fine, they just killed it off before anyone even started using it

[limber knot]

runs

[wide chasm]

Back in my day we bought games in a physical store

[limber knot]

back in my days we get games via the radio and recorded them on tape!

[worn ember]

i still have my gta5 physical copy

[wide chasm]

Is there anything wrong with gamepedia? Don't know much about it, but seems to be fine

[cedar spade]

And I have some inkling it got killed off because of investors rather than because Discord actually wanted to kill it

[limber knot]

gamepedia is dead

[worn ember]

i think its 5 or 7 dvd's lul

[wide chasm]

Well, then the mc wiki can keep it alive :)

[limber knot]

and the main issue with it is that they added their own set of "gamepedia features" on top of a properly functioning mediawik

*wiki

and now it's all just wikia/fandom which sucks even more

[cedar spade]

weren't they going to kill off certain fandom wikis where they were duplicated by gamepedia?

[wide chasm]

Yeah, fair point

[cedar spade]

that never happened

[limber knot]

at least they still run two parallel infrastructures I guess

instead of force-transitioning everything in their ugly wikia layout

[worn ember]

as if theres any good looking wiki

[limber knot]

Wikipedia ;)

[worn ember]

ig wikihow would be the best

[wide chasm]

Eww wikihow

[worn ember]

seems like you made a great investement barty

[wide chasm]

None are particularly great, Wikipedia is the best one imo, but still not that great

[limber knot]

but after all this is the only fact about fandom/wikia which makes them worth the time: https://phoenix616.dev/📷/fMiwZERz.png lol

[wide chasm]

Although I think I read in the signpost or something that they want to make interface changes to Wikipedia, so maybe it becomes good.

[limber knot]

also they use in-house advertising which is pretty rad

(but still use google and amazon ads too so :S)

[wide chasm]

That's pretty neat, yeah

[limber knot]

"SEC reports[42] revealed that Riot Games[43] had invested $30 million in Curse"

so it's Tencent after all xD

[wide chasm]

sigh

Well, I guess it can then only get better

[limber knot]

I really have to stop wasting time with all this minecraft stuff and finally start my site that tracks all of these chinese investements in teh IT industry...

china is a way bigger fish to fry anyways ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

and mor e bats to eat

interesting, curse worked together with Hirez (which is basically tencent) before to add voice to that and then wanted to do the same with riot games

[uncut moss]

tencent buy paper wen

paper spyware

[stray oyster]

Do you know the feeling of remembering something so awful you what to throw up?

[uncut moss]

no

[stray oyster]

[limber knot]

wat

[finite wave]

cool

[wide chasm]

Bungee is my favorite website host

[limber knot]

glances at PLAN

[finite wave]

Mine is Waterfall

[uncut moss]

y u in airplane mode reading discord messages

[finite wave]

Good question

[stray oyster]

Animation icon gets stuck

[uncut moss]

wut

[limber knot]

i prefer travertine

[limber knot]

who's gonna fork travertine for 1.6 support

[uncut moss]

doesn't for me

your phone is retarded

[stray oyster]

That happens after like a month of having it on

Don’t remember might be longer

[wide chasm]

@void void I've changed your username to make it readable. Feel free to change it, but make sure that you keep it something readable (preferably just ascii characters).

[finite wave]

Never happened to me.

Fuck no chew

[stray oyster]

I couldn’t care less about the status bar

[limber knot]

call it Beaverdine

[uncut moss]

it'd bother me if it was always just an airplane lol

[stray oyster]

Eh

It’d go away if I’d reboot

But that would ruin my 54 day uptime

[finite wave]

You're werid

[stray oyster]

No I can’t be bothered is all

and I couldn’t care less about the icon

[uncut moss]

lol why tf do you care about uptime

[stray oyster]

I don’t but I cannot be bothered to do something either

Also

About 1.6 support

[void void]

who

pinged

me

[stray oyster]

Not on bungeecord but I added that to velocity on my own fork cause I was trying something

[finite wave]

Not i

[stray oyster]

1.6

[void void]

and why is my name _C_ again

[finite wave]

https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/289587909051416579/555469074080202765/736350156731056311

[void void]

oh

[uncut moss]

i keep hitting the flashlight on the lockscreen with my pinky finger

fucking annoying

[void void]

@void void I've changed your username to make it readable. Feel free to change it, but make sure that you keep it something readable (preferably just ascii characters).
@wide chasm k

better

[finite wave]

yes

[void void]

yes

[uncut moss]

nice

[stray oyster]

I’m very much glad I have a development device for those kinds of ideas

[uncut moss]

wut

[stray oyster]

Developer betas on Apple hardware is ... I advice caution especially if you use the device daily

[uncut moss]

lol nah

or yeah

public betas are fine though

[stray oyster]

Also even though iOS 14 brings a lot of cool new stuff it breaks a lot of things

cough jailbreak detection shit cough

[uncut moss]

i don't care about jailbreak

[stray oyster]

Because guess what- apps get less access to detect that now and thus lock up or malfunction

Apps can no longer prod the filesystem like they used to, to see if it’s modified aka jailbroken

And that breaks banking apps among many types of games

I’ve broken the notorious StarProtect jailbreak protection mechanism three times in the past, but this time I had to un-break it to play my game

Talk about madness

[uncut moss]

or just don't detect jailbreak

i just want third party widgets

[unreal quarry]

better idea: dont buy apple products

runs away

[finite wave]

Suck dick

[serene bolt]

that works too I guess

[finite wave]

Oh, well yeah probably.

[unreal quarry]

how are you not banned yet @finite wave?

[uncut moss]

apple good

[finite wave]

Cause i'm not super annoying.

[urban depot]

gotta say i hate iphones but my macbook pro has worked perfectly since 2012 and i'm on it rn

super fast

[unreal quarry]

Suck dick
i'd call that not only super annoying, but straight up against the rules

[uncut moss]

i was an android fanboy then i gave an iphone a try and i love it

🤷‍♂️

[finite wave]

Woah.

[urban depot]

to be fair i havn't tried iphone yet

[uncut moss]

lol then you can't say you hate it

[urban depot]

yeah

[finite wave]

Sry, i'll use nicer words in the future.

[urban depot]

i just dont like how theres a new one every year

they also slowed down older ones

[uncut moss]

...like every phone manufacturer

[urban depot]

so that you buy new ones

[uncut moss]

also that wasn't really so you buy new ones

[stray oyster]

I was on the android train so long. I can’t go back. I may hate Apple but I don’t trust any app manufacturer on the android platform anymore

Like at all

[uncut moss]

what

[stray oyster]

Have you ever looked at the kinds of data collection most if not all apps do on android?

[finite wave]

Apple is nice, super easy to use an okay'ish to keep continues updates.

[stray oyster]

legal yea

But that doesn’t happen on an iPhone

[uncut moss]

most if not all apps do on android
giant

[unreal quarry]

you have to approve everything @stray oyster

[uncut moss]

trust me, there's data collection in ios apps as well lol

[stray oyster]

Go get yourself a nice decompiler and run stock Rom apps form most manufacturers today

[urban depot]

Aren't some huawei phones super secure?

[stray oyster]

Maybe so

[uncut moss]

you're delusional if you think companies like tencent collect zero data from iOS users

[golden gust]

Q is, do you trust huawei?

[limber knot]

whats ten cents

[urban depot]

No but i have a huwaei

[uncut moss]

sketchy chinese company

[limber knot]

oh did they make tiktok

[uncut moss]

with like market share in fucking everything

[urban depot]

yes flip off

[stray oyster]

How is a company that has no part in my phone gonna collect data about me

[uncut moss]

you said apps on ios don't collect data

[limber knot]

i mean, you use the app right?

[urban depot]

everyone's obsessed with huawei and they don't know it

[stray oyster]

No I didn’t say that

It’s easier for apps to do that on android

[uncut moss]

lol no

[stray oyster]

And even do that in the background easier

Shared cache

Cross sandbox tracking over device Is

ID

Google ads actively encourages it anyway

[limber knot]

you have to grant the app perms on ios, idk about android. on ios 14 it tells you if the app uses the clipboard and asks if it can track you across multiple websites, if you hit no it won't

[uncut moss]

you have to on android as well

[urban depot]

android you need app perms

[limber knot]

i don't know anything about android so I cant make any arguments for or against it

[uncut moss]

all apps can access clipboard on ios without me accepting it though

but it does say in the top when they do now

[limber knot]

yeah

[stray oyster]

Yes and I’m grateful for that. But tell me ONE file browser on android that doesn’t collect data, offer you a subscription or display ads and is trustworthy

[uncut moss]

discord does on startup lol

[unreal quarry]

android you need app perms
this ^ apps cant do anything on android until you give them permission. not even your home/lock screen