general

[worn ember]

link it to your intellij if you have ultimate

[uncut moss]

i do

and it's linked

how do i see the scheme

[uncut moss]

oh ok

[worn ember]

im so glad thats a thing

[finite wave]

Hehe ultimate is bae

[worn ember]

well otehrwise you can just use datagrip and achieve the same

[slim nymph]

if you have datagrip, i really hope you have ultimate unless you're a DBA

[uncut moss]

it's literally just this

[slim nymph]

the only reason to buy datagrip and not the other IDE's is if you're a DBA lol

[worn ember]

well yeah

intellij is like all other ide's anyway

[slim nymph]

and once you are buying 2+ JB products, might as well get the entire toolbox

[uncut moss]

student license

mmmm

[finite wave]

I’ve got github studentpack

[worn ember]

so what are you trying to achieve?

[warm anchor]

@mighty storm oh we were discussing about MCProHosting and how shitty they are

[limber knot]

ik, how so

[worn ember]

what else is new lol

[slim nymph]

surprised they are still in business after what just happened.

[limber knot]

oh yeah

[worn ember]

werent they completely rekt?

[limber knot]

that was awful

[worn ember]

how would anyone want to rent a server there after that

[limber knot]

well it was just the community that got rekt

the hackers were dumb af

they couldve done a lot worse

[worn ember]

that just shows how bad it was secured

if some retards could do it

[limber knot]

tl;dr they got the global cloudflare api key

[warm anchor]

I mean anyone hacking a Minecraft hosting site isn’t smart to begin with

What’s there’s to steal? Someone’s red stone farm??

[worn ember]

depends why they do it

if its to make a point, doesnt really matter what company it is

[uncut moss]

for fun

[finite wave]

I mean

To fuck over the kiddies

[limber knot]

matt & james's companies arent doing very well

[warm anchor]

The company is pretty shit in its current state

[finite wave]

I would hack it to update java to java 11

[warm anchor]

I dealt with them before

[worn ember]

lol

lets do it jan

fires up the Kali

[waxen panther]

[warm anchor]

Just have a look at their “support” discord and see the amount of misleading information they give to their customer about why their server is crashing smh

[limber knot]

Oh yeah, the staff are like that

I try to help sometimes

[worn ember]

ur server suck cuz u suck

[limber knot]

every staff I talk there says it sucks

[raw trout]

hey guys, I'm proficient in spigot plugin development, but I am new to java, how do I get started?

[uncut moss]

???????

[finite wave]

What

[limber knot]

??????

[worn ember]

[uncut moss]

skript?

[limber knot]

My man learned Bukkit instead of Java

[raw trout]

😆

[finite wave]

I mean there is other jvm languages but

[kindred storm]

proficient in plugin development in Java, but new to Java

[worn ember]

thats one for in the meme folder

[kindred storm]

yeah maybe doc used Kotlin or Scala

[uncut moss]

then he wouldn't have a hard time learning java lol

[kindred storm]

or Clojure

but who knows? you get used to another language and then Java just isn't so easy anymore

[limber knot]

they do use your flags tho aikar

i make sure to push for that

[raw trout]

how good was it

[finite wave]

Good what?

[worn ember]

it was very good

[raw trout]

thank you sir

[worn ember]

np

[raw trout]

big fan darkeyedragon

[finite wave]

Darkeye stop talking about our sessions

[worn ember]

you wish those were good

[raw trout]

i used to skid from your github projects back in the day 😳

[worn ember]

[finite wave]

Was he joking with us or what

[worn ember]

bad idea

[zealous knot]

mfw dark has fans

[warm anchor]

This is gotta be a troll

Lmao

[uncut moss]

used to skid from github projects

this isn't fucking mpgh

[kindred storm]

depending on how you redistribute, isn't that copyright infringement?

[worn ember]

pretty sure he's joking lol

[raw trout]

🤦‍♂️

[zealous knot]

While my projects serve nearly 1 billion requests a year and no one knows who the fuck i am

[worn ember]

i'd feel bad for whoever steals code from me

[limber knot]

someone stole code from me 😢

[uncut moss]

rekt

[worn ember]

who's fix?

[zealous knot]

at least they didn't steal your heart

[limber knot]

and in their github description they said "If you want to learn, stop stealing people's code"

[golden gust]

ofc dark has fans

They're cheap as shit from the local hardware store

[tired heath]

I stole your tardis and sold it to india

[limber knot]

holy crap was that. adoctor who reference

[finite wave]

Chew stole the tardid tho

[worn ember]

you dont need to hurt my feelings like that

[golden gust]

DED

I'm a brit

[zealous knot]

https://mc-heads.net/user/a7b06441908f4f06a3233032d9c484b8

[limber knot]

i aint a time lord but damn if i were

[zealous knot]

oh no

[golden gust]

Do you /really/ think I had a choice?

[zealous knot]

he's british

[raw trout]

[worn ember]

dont brits usually have good humor tho?

[zealous knot]

LOL

[tired heath]

I don't know, I'm Austrian

[zealous knot]

damn

it's been years since i came across a random Australian on the internet

[limber knot]

you mean austrian

[tired heath]

no l

noooo llll 😄

[zealous knot]

oh

mfw can't read

but really

[worn ember]

actually blind

[zealous knot]

what's the difference

both suck

[zealous knot]

lol

[limber knot]

https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Dd5mg7VQ/image.png

[zealous knot]

lol

[worn ember]

oh look, again

[zealous knot]

chew what IRC client is that

[worn ember]

mfw notch has more requests than me

[tired heath]

Austria is kinda cool okay

[zealous knot]

why did i even give you a custom display name

[limber knot]

what is that for darkeye

[worn ember]

cuz you love me

mc-heads

[limber knot]

whats that

[zealous knot]

https://mc-heads.net

my API

[worn ember]

no embed?

smh fix that

[zealous knot]

ion know

there usually is one

[worn ember]

"usually"

[zealous knot]

maybe they have it disabled here

some servers don't embed shit at all

[finite wave]

https://mc-heads.net/

[zealous knot]

so my screenshots dont work

[worn ember]

it showed up before on the profile

[zealous knot]

smh

[worn ember]

sooo

[finite wave]

Meh

[zealous knot]

oh yeah

i dunno then

meta tags are all there

[finite wave]

http://mc-heads.net/

[zealous knot]

mfw

[worn ember]

lmfao

[zealous knot]

what the fuck

[finite wave]

I’m smart

[limber knot]

http: not https://

[worn ember]

yes

we figured that

[tired heath]

In times of free certs, why still using http

[finite wave]

He has ssl

I’m using it perfectly fine in my project thru https

[limber knot]

cloudflare

[zealous knot]

oh i didn't know you used MCHeads?

[finite wave]

Or i was a few days ago

[limber knot]

probably doesnt have automatic http rewrites on

[finite wave]

I used it as a profile resolver hahaha

[worn ember]

it does rewrite

[zealous knot]

what for

[finite wave]

Some weird ass bukkit plugin request, i don’t really do much plugin shit anymore

[zealous knot]

that's a smart move lol

Glare also used to use MCHeads back in the day

i remember that

[finite wave]

I use it as an authserver from time to time

[zealous knot]

lazy ass

[kindred storm]

By "malformed", does this apparently mean "missing" as well?

I will not be abusing the service just so you know

[zealous knot]

Where specifically, i don't remember the exact phrasing

[kindred storm]

Regarding the Mojang API, it states, "If username/UUID is malformed", 204 is returned

[limber knot]

idk why it's 204

[kindred storm]

and it looks like that's also happening for non-existent profiles

[worn ember]

cuz it should be

[limber knot]

can someone make an actual working mojang status checker

[zealous knot]

Oh yes, it will return 204 for missing profiles

[kindred storm]

thanks

[worn ember]

mojang has one

lol

[vagrant niche]

.mojang

[limber knot]

it doesnt work

(DiscordBot) ****MJ|Session: **🚫 **MJ|Account: **☑️ **api.mojang.com: **☑️ **MJ|AuthServer: **☑️ **MC|Textures: **☑️ **MC|Website: **🚫 **mojang.com: **🚫 **MC|Session: ☑️

half say theyre down

[zealous knot]

by proper he probably means one that works

[limber knot]

yeah but theyer all good

she*

[vagrant niche]

Well it's from mojang

[zealous knot]

i think that's a great idea actually, and since i don't have anything better to do, i think i'll just do that

[worn ember]

lol

[limber knot]

things just arent the same after microsoft took over 😔

[zealous knot]

M$

[worn ember]

didnt xpow used to have one for mc?

[vagrant niche]

Ye fancy one

[worn ember]

https://github.com/xPaw/mcstatus

[vagrant niche]

Gone now

[worn ember]

could just host that fix lul

[slim nymph]

204 is kinda more appropriate than 404 for profile api's

[vagrant niche]

403 fk off

[slim nymph]

its a valid request, the request isnt an error, its just telling you, sorry got nothing to give back to you

[golden gust]

418 best http code

[slim nymph]

but it may have sometjhing for you LATER

[worn ember]

teapot

[zealous knot]

I'm tryna reach out to mojang

but they dont reply to my fuckin emails

[slim nymph]

a 4xx codes is a response telling browser "no sorry, you screwed up your request to me, dont try again"

[limber knot]

what should be a proper response?

[slim nymph]

400's are kinda a weird state.

500's mean the server screwed up, retry

400's is the client screwed up

[zealous knot]

I too agree that 204 is the proper code for this

[slim nymph]

but we have stuff like DMCA in 400's, which really doesnt make sense

[limber knot]

there is one specifically for government notices

[slim nymph]

thats the DMCA one i meant 😛

[limber knot]

451

[slim nymph]

"not avail due to legal reasons"

[zealous knot]

451

[worn ember]

451

[zealous knot]

i use that code for my file host lol

[limber knot]

i prefer 418

oh zzcat beat me too that

[zealous knot]

or 420

[slim nymph]

but 400's generally mean dont retry immediately, when you 'can' retry is undefined

[golden gust]

4xx is client error responses

[limber knot]

The server can not find the requested resource. In the browser, this means the URL is not recognized. In an API, this can also mean that the endpoint is valid but the resource itself does not exist. Servers may also send this response instead of 403 to hide the existence of a resource from an unauthorized client. This response code is probably the most famous one due to its frequent occurrence on the web.

for 404

[golden gust]

The client requested material which isn't legal for it

[worn ember]

i like how we just keep repeating the same stuff xD

[zealous knot]

petition to require a backoff timer header for response code 429 smh

[worn ember]

what would that even mean

[slim nymph]

telling you when to retry

[zealous knot]

include the time at which the rate limit expires

[slim nymph]

sometimes you dont want to expose that

[zealous knot]

is that the case with mojang?

[worn ember]

then its just a matter of finding out

[zealous knot]

rate limits can be irregular dark

[slim nymph]

mojang intends you to keep track when you made the request and cache responses local

[zealous knot]

throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks can only get you so far

[worn ember]

that seems counter intuitive

[limber knot]

when would 409 be warranted

[slim nymph]

so you should be able to do last request + rate limit timer

[zealous knot]

but you never know the actual rate limit

[slim nymph]

"Conflicts are most likely to occur in response to a PUT request. For example, you may get a 409 response when uploading a file which is older than the one already on the server resulting in a version control conflict."

[zealous knot]

the documented rate limit on wiki.vg only seems to be correct some times

[slim nymph]

CAS is a developer example of CONFLICT

GET /resource
Returns an update key and current value

PUT /resource?updateKey=previousReturnedKey
<VALUE>

[limber knot]

bots that dm you every time you interact with them are terrible

[slim nymph]

if 409, restart process

[limber knot]

and I see that on google sometimes, like the offset key

[static badge]

slowest cas on planet earth

[zealous knot]

it's the leaf

[slim nymph]

cas is a logical process, not just performance 😛

[static badge]

yeah ik but it's funny

[slim nymph]

like memcache has cas too, used it to do atomic operations on it plenty of times

[worn ember]

i read that as memecache

[slim nymph]

you can cache memes in memcache yes

[worn ember]

[glad narwhal]

whats the atomic operations? why some stuff called atomic?

[zealous knot]

it's thread safe

[limber knot]

when you want to modify sync stuff async

[slim nymph]

atomic means you can guarantee nothings changed the state in between

like updating a counter with +1

[kindred storm]

that's not atomic

[worn ember]

boss music starts playing

[limber knot]

i thoiught atomic was elemnts

Atomic<Element> hydrogen = new Element(1, 1,1)

[zealous knot]

wow

[slim nymph]

if you say get current value of 1, add 1, update value to 2
if 2 threads do that non atomically, they both set it to 2

"Compare and Swap" for atomic operations says "Update value to 2 if the current value is 1" as a single operation, so if they both do it, one will fail, and start over

[zealous knot]

that was bad

[limber knot]

(thats a joke)

[glad narwhal]

cool

[slim nymph]

atomic operations over network devices is abit more finicky, so much more latency

[static badge]

imagine cas contention kek

at that point you need a backoff algorithm or you're fucked

[slim nymph]

yeah ive dealt with it leaf lol. implemnted a throttle on database host level, and the cas contention on having so many server processes trying to CAS was destroying perf

so i had to queue on local process so only 1 attempter per process, but still got max contention of X worker proccesses

[static badge]

kek

[glad narwhal]

am i stupid or spigot forum dont let me download files from it via code. i just constantly got 403 error.

[slim nymph]

it doesnt

[static badge]

devbukkit allows u

[limber knot]

like a github link?

[slim nymph]

i believe theres some api for it

[worn ember]

yeah theres an api for it now

[glad narwhal]

i tried spiget but it doesnt work

[slim nymph]

yeah they broke spiget

[glad narwhal]

that thing doesnt respond

[slim nymph]

gotta use spigot's api

[limber knot]

f to spiget

[slim nymph]

where its documented? who knows

you know what does work? github releases

also no spigot resource size limit either

[worn ember]

https://github.com/SpigotMC/XenforoResourceManagerAPI

[limber knot]

ol reliable

i just provide links to my jenkins builds lol

[serene bolt]

although annoyingly if you link to a github release through external download on spigot resources, and you happen to get the cloudflare check, you'll get an error message on github about cookies not being enabled or an error processing the request and gotta refresh / do it again

[glad narwhal]

everythink works, but when im trying to get download link, it just doesnt respond

[limber knot]

sometimes github is like "bro wtf?? who dis" and you have to reload the page

[worn ember]

havent had that issue

[limber knot]

https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZZ5mpRwO/image.png

that

[serene bolt]

it's only if you get the cloudflare browser integrity check while downloading a resource hosted on github

[worn ember]

oh ive had that with a classroom project once

then i got ratelimited cuz i refreshed too much

[limber knot]

yep thats exactly what happened pure

[serene bolt]

yeah it's annoying, I don't encounter it often but I encounter it enough that I know what causes it

[worn ember]

just dont use cloudflare

[limber knot]

e

z

sorry hit enter too early

[glad narwhal]

also webhooks dont work on spiget

[potent fossil]

Just woke up with some killer head ache

My favorite

[glad narwhal]

i was tryna link resource to discord, and it didnt work

[potent fossil]

Spiget is half broken

Downloads to work, due to CF. Webhooks idk, not sure if those ever worked

Downloads don't work**

[olive marlin]

@glad narwhal last month you could've downloaded plugins through Spiget using "cloud scraper" (python, idk about other langs).
I believe it still works, but CF started using code specifically targeted at cloudscraper and it went closed-source behind a small pay wall. They also rolled out some new verification methods.

[vagrant niche]

Anyone got a strong vacuum recommendation?

[serene bolt]

which is actually probably a good thing, bypassing cloudflare is kinda sketch

[vagrant niche]

There's a spider on my car

[glad narwhal]

gee

[olive marlin]

I wish I didn't have to bypass CF and was given a simpler way of doing that.

There doesn't seem to be any sane way, so for now I'm throwing errors for that, which cli catches and gives direct download links to update plugins.

[quasi valley]

lax, drive the car into a wall to crush it

[vagrant niche]

Found t his https://www.lowes.com/pd/Shop-Vac-6-Gallon-3-5-HP-Portable-Wet-Dry-Shop-Vacuum/1001430744

[golden gust]

MOM SEZ DON"T DISTURB ME WHILE I'M CLEANING MY ROOM

[vagrant niche]

It was at least 2 inch wide spider

2-3

3cm body at least

trust me, ya don't want it crawlin whilst driving

[golden gust]

ah, yes, a fuckthat spider

[vagrant niche]

good thing I was waitin for som1

scared it under my chair

[serene bolt]

where it shall now live and continue its family tree

I've been dealing with a spider problem too, I wake up every day to a bunch of web under my monitors and I remove it all and they come back the next day, haven't actually found the spiders yet >:(

[static pilot]

someone tell me a good chair to buy

[vagrant niche]

omg yes, webs on my car too every day

specially under the steering wheel

k, imma get this vacuum, it's even got a music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4sOfO8Ei1g

[golden gust]

joco

[wide chasm]

In the house I'm in on vacation some spider seems to have gone wild, cause when I went to my room there were 20 or so baby spiders chilling there.

[grand pewter]

i see spiders around all the time atm

i also have gotten some bug bites on my feet recently which are annoying

maybe also spiders

damn you spiders!

[serene bolt]

all the spiders are staying home and social distancing too, that's why we're all seeing them everywhere

[grand pewter]

not social distancing enough; they want to bite your toes!

[wide chasm]

Would be nice if they still kept a sane distance

[worn ember]

when they cut the corn near my house theres guaranteed 10-20 of those giant brown spiders in my house

when you wake up and you see that giant fucker on the wall

not so fun

[twin lagoon]

whoever asked for a bluemap vs dynmap filesize comparison

i don't have dynmap, my render is at 20%

it's taking like 15GB so far for a 14GB world

[serene bolt]

that's some big data, bluemap is the 3d rendered map right?

[twin lagoon]

yes

wait this might be invalid data

sec

8GB, not 15GB

[worn ember]

liar

[latent valve]

[cedar spade]

imagine living in a country with bad bitey insects

we only have a few biting bugs, not many

[worn ember]

didnt know you could live in space?

[cedar spade]

yeah what do you think the ISS is duh

[worn ember]

well i know for a fact you dont live there ;p

[spice finch]

No mosquitos on ISS?

That has to be heaven

[worn ember]

literally

[tired heath]

Ever heard about space bugs. Did'nt you all saw that documentation

Something like star troopers or so

Super serious

!!!

[limber knot]

ISS? like insect space shuttle?

[tired heath]

No outside

Shooting astroids towards the earth

You knoe

Space force has a reason ;)

[worn ember]

did you mean starship troopers?

[void void]

u gay Ofunny?

[tired heath]

Yes

[worn ember]

great documentary

[tired heath]

Is so scary

[void void]

lol

[tired heath]

And super serious

Chivitos you did assume I feel like being gay is something I would care about

Spoiler

I do not

[void void]

.tacos

[limber knot]

🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮🌮

[vagrant niche]

.burritos

hmmm

I'll add one later

[cunning raft]

https://github.com/EssentialsX/Essentials/issues/3525

TIL StellarSpigot modifies the version number to 1.8.8 RO2

When R02 was never a thing

[vagrant niche]

Don't add a fix

[cunning raft]

causing plugins strictly server versions (like essentials) to fuck up

[vagrant niche]

tell them to get lost

[cunning raft]

prob just gonna tell them that

[vagrant niche]

moment ya give em validity all the other fkers gonna start doin it

ye, he has too, he makes a lot of them

[kindred storm]

"Stellar"Spigot

[vagrant niche]

1 pr = 20 issues

jry in a nutshell

[kindred storm]

and the fork creator was even dumb enough to make a nonexistent R0 version

[cunning raft]

i mean it's an easy fix on the essentials side

but i don't want to let on dumb shit like that

[kindred storm]

it's not worth the small maintainence cost

[cunning raft]

you don't modify version strings and expect good things

[kindred storm]

just clutter

[cunning raft]

they're using GroupManager too lul

and their version string has a server name in it too

[kindred storm]

and ViaVersion 1.3.0

[vagrant niche]

Cracked?

[kindred storm]

ClearLag too

[tired heath]

May you answere me a question, what is the point of using VivaVersion – users are really too dumb to switch to the correct client version?

[kindred storm]

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/bukkit/potion/PotionData that's what happens running "Stellar"Spigot

[tired heath]

lol

[cunning raft]

well it's because essentials tries to use the modern adapter

[kindred storm]

Supporting multiple versions is the main thing

[cunning raft]

because the version string is wrong

[tired heath]

a ok

[vagrant niche]

Just close as wontfix, not our problem

[cunning raft]

also would be fixed by my kit pr

im not lul

stellarspigot should fix it

[vagrant niche]

Yeah, to few lines

Jroy can't pad his stats

[cunning raft]

Quality of EssentialsX has gone up since i joined

don't @ me

[true canyon]

stellarspigot
Ahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

• breath *

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha.

[cunning raft]

so has bug reports

[vagrant niche]

Yeah, he'll merge his broken PRS then fix em later

jroy just wants clout and contributor role

[cunning raft]

exposed me

[vagrant niche]

Should add [EssX dev] to your name

[waxen panther]

[cunning raft]

still waiting for that guy to make his prs

[vagrant niche]

Contributor roles cost around $750 bribe

Yeah ikr

[cunning raft]

i think he got pissed off after begging for the role and being denied

and didn't submit pr

[vagrant niche]

Lol maybe he's afraid well make fun of him

[true canyon]

Maybe he's afraid it won't be a good enough resume builder?

[vagrant niche]

Hahaha

[cunning raft]

he was gonna use the clout to get a job at chili's'

[true canyon]

Still couldn't believe they thought being put in plugin.yml was how you build your resume instead of commits.

[vagrant niche]

Maybe stella r will fix it by just forking essx and adding a line change

[true canyon]

What a stellar idea

[vagrant niche]

Can't wait to have em come 4 help

[waxen panther]

[cunning raft]

5 patch files is worth 300

[twin lagoon]

craftimize is worth $1337

[waxen panther]

Michael is worth $1.99

[jaunty herald]

How would someone disable blaze flight?

[tired heath]

By the way, somebody know some super super light wight web server, actually just need it to perform a http/https redirect, do not wanna install a full apache

[cunning raft]

lighttpd

[tired heath]

But looks actually not so light

[true canyon]

github pages? 😄

[waxen panther]

i mean if its just a redirect you can do that with records

[serene bolt]

nginx or bust

[waxen panther]

you dont need a web server

[tired heath]

Something monitoring port 80 and 443 and sending a redirect

at least 🙂

[cunning raft]

use dns

[tired heath]

well the sub domain points to the game server and as far as I know I can't split dns portwise

[vagrant niche]

Flask

[tired heath]

Yeah I will check it out, I have lighthttp, Nginx, Bust and flask as recommantation, I guess one will fit

thanks

[serene bolt]

wow barty congratulations on becoming an EssX Contributor! cool to see discord even gave you a tag for it

[static badge]

essentials contributor?

[true canyon]

Discord is so very supportive of the open source community. That's why MOSS got verified status and songoda didn't!

... wait, no, that's entirely backwards.

[cunning raft]

[serene bolt]

lmao ain't that the truth

[static badge]

kek w songoda

[cunning raft]

moss could prob get it if when discord opens up applications again

[grand pewter]

didn't they close their open source applications because of songoda

[uncut moss]

songoda

is sketch

[grand pewter]

they made some huge fuss

similar to the whole paypal fiasco

and seems like discord was like "na aint dealing with this"

[cunning raft]

it's been closed for years now

[uncut moss]

[left swift]

U should make a discord all about hating songoda

Wait that's this discord

[cedar spade]

Pretty sure it was as a result - Songoda PRed to the open source repo and I think it was granted, then someone made a issue with a lot of evidence of their sketchy behaviour

In that case I don't think Songoda folks made a fuss publicly, it was more someone told Discord "holy shit you shouldn't have done that" and so they shuttered the whole thing

[cunning raft]

remember that songoda is still just a person!!!

[uncut moss]

lol lots of people say that their plugins are shit as well

[cunning raft]

sure they fucked up

but they're still a person

[kindred storm]

running a circus

[cedar spade]

MOSS got rejected because we applied around the same time that was all happening

[zealous wedge]

yeah but she's a person we don't need to have in the community

[uncut moss]

wtf is moss

[cunning raft]

wtf is moss
lol

[kindred storm]

Minecraft Open Source Software, combination of several big open-source plugins

[uncut moss]

rock grass

[kindred storm]

I think Essentials, WorldGuard, PEX 2 in the making, and more

[zealous wedge]

moss is the Ideal ground cover

[uncut moss]

never heard ofi t

[cedar spade]

she's... there's a lot of allegations around her

[zealous wedge]

not WG

WG is part of EH

[uncut moss]

pex 2?

[cunning raft]

pex, but works on modern mc versions

[uncut moss]

nice, luckperms sucks ass

i hate luckperms, ew

[cunning raft]

luckperms is fine?

[kindred storm]

honestly I have been hoping for someone to make a LP alternative

[uncut moss]

sure it functions fine but the commands are a mess

[cedar spade]

you do realise LuckPerms is built on the same principles that were going to be in PEX 2 originally lmao

[uncut moss]

most unintuitive perms plugin i've used

[kindred storm]

it's not unintuitive

just too full of stuff here and there, everywhere

[grand pewter]

its the best one iv used personally

out of groupmanager, and pex 1

[cunning raft]

Not taking the time to use/learn it != it's bad

[cedar spade]

also, you can literally pick three sets of commands if you're that hellbent on using GM/PEX 1's godawful syntaxes

[golden gust]

it is weird in how it works in some aspects

[uncut moss]

like default groups

[kindred storm]

the PEX command syntax was good; it let you grant permissions quickly and easily

[grand pewter]

default group is one of the most useful things in lp

makes things so easy

[cedar spade]

it certainly does unusual things, but for good reason (generally Bukkit ecosystem is crap and shit needs fixing on LP's side)

[kindred storm]

yeah like dependencies and spi vs api

which is why LP has to inject dependencies, something like that

[zealous wedge]

yeah, back before I first left the community i worked with luck to make sure LP could do all the core features that PEX v2 was gonna have

[cedar spade]

no, LP just chooses not to shade them all in since most would normally go unused

[worn ember]

Lp editor is 😍😍😍

[zealous wedge]

yeah, dep downloading is to shrink the download size

[kindred storm]

LP doesn't shade anything, no?

[zealous wedge]

tbh it should be a part of a plugin API

[cedar spade]

unless you regularly cycle between backend and sync methods you don't need most dependencies lol

[zealous wedge]

but everyone whines about ~muh security~

[uncut moss]

isn't that against spigot rules

[zealous wedge]

no

[cedar spade]

nope

[uncut moss]

something about plugins must function without internet connection or some shit

[kindred storm]

the dependency downloading mechanism is pretty secure

[true canyon]

I'm with barty on this

[cedar spade]

gasp

[grand pewter]

you don't need to be connected to the internet to use lp

[kindred storm]

it's basically the maven repository mechanism combined with fixed checksums

[golden gust]

See, I kinda want dependency downloading in paper

[grand pewter]

the editor is not lp, it's an optional extension

[uncut moss]

pop how else would it download the deps

magic?

[cedar spade]

pop: I think they were referring to dependency downloading, not the editor

[golden gust]

There is definetly a usecase for it, and with java throwing the books in on the mechanisms we currently have to use

[zealous wedge]

yeah, dep downloading should be part of the plugin API

[kindred storm]

it's allowed to download dependencies the first time the plugin runs

[grand pewter]

ah ok

[kindred storm]

several plugins do it

[grand pewter]

well i mean spigot needs to allow larger than 10mb jars

[golden gust]

download them, reflect into the classloader and add them manually

[grand pewter]

that's not LP's fault

[zealous wedge]

because right now there's just a whole bunch of halfassed badly maintiained implementations

[uncut moss]

spigot max is 4 mb lol

[grand pewter]

yeah fuck that lol

[kindred storm]

I used to worry about reflection to access the ClassLoader, but since it's a protected method, it's not going anywhere. This is completely safe

[true canyon]

Yeah, I was gonna say what do you mean ten? I spent forever helping someone trim a jar down to 3.99 😛

[serene bolt]

It's not going to get increased, either

[zealous wedge]

i assume something about bandwidth or storage costs?

[golden gust]

could just link to gh releases or something

[cedar spade]

pure, come to the dark side, we have hangar

[kindred storm]

cue hangar when calls

[true canyon]

"4mb is more plugin than anyone will ever need." - md_5, probably

[cedar spade]

@cedar spade hangar wen

[uncut moss]

he has said that mbaxter

[serene bolt]

it's a storage issue, yeah, I think md_5 just posted about it the other day on the forums

[uncut moss]

i read some thread the other day where he said that no good dev would need more than 4mb for a plugin anyway

[zealous wedge]

md just doesn't want to pay a massive cloud storage bill

[kindred storm]

lol

[worn ember]

I wonder how big it is

[serene bolt]

a lot

[kindred storm]

everyone knows a good dev has no external dependencies

[cunning raft]

millions of $ a day

[worn ember]

Couple Terra?

[cedar spade]

must be expensive hosting in whatever copyright haven he hosts in :p

[kindred storm]

code everything yourself with the standard libraries

[uncut moss]

terry davis did it with a fucking os

then you don't need dependencies for a plugin

[golden gust]

Well, you can

[zealous wedge]

you would need fewer dependencies if bukkit were a functional api

[golden gust]

doesn't mean that you should

[worn ember]

Look where it got him

Insanity

[waxen panther]

he didn't go insane

[uncut moss]

well that's not what made him insane

[waxen panther]

he ascended

[worn ember]

Lol

[waxen panther]

talk SHIT about terry see what happens

[uncut moss]

it was the glow in the dark cia n

[waxen panther]

😠

[zealous wedge]

but the larger the version range you support and the more fragmentations in implementations, the more you need an extra library to handle the compatibility

[waxen panther]

words

[uncut moss]

apache commons io is all you need

[kindred storm]

more versions usually necessitate more modules

[cedar spade]

LP still supports 10 major MC versions iirc

[zealous wedge]

LP proper is 1.8.8 and up

[cedar spade]

1.7.10 needs legacy but yeah

[uncut moss]

i support one and if it doesn't work on 1.12 i say fuck off

[static badge]

I mean it is a permission plugin

[zealous wedge]

there's a legacy download that supports older

yeah, sadly very little that permissions plugins touch ever changes

if anyone wants to look at the API PEX v1 uses, those would be great candidates for breaking in 1.17

[cedar spade]

legacy used to be separate iirc, but it's built alongside the other platforms now

[worn ember]

Apis should be constructed properly from the get go :)

[waxen panther]

pex 2 wen

ah yes everyone should just make the perfect api instantly

[uncut moss]

pex 3 wen

[kindred storm]

multi-release Bukkit plugin 👀

[zealous wedge]

the amorphous future

[worn ember]

Obviously

[waxen panther]

why can't everyone just be perfect devs ? ??

just dont write bad code lol

[uncut moss]

like terry

[waxen panther]

fr

[golden gust]

It's hard being me

[true canyon]

Can the paper exploit fixes include code that refuses to load PEX 1.x?

[waxen panther]

waiting for bukkit to be written in HolyC :/

[uncut moss]

smartest fucking programmer that has ever fucking lived

[worn ember]

Don't released until it's release ready. That way you don't need to deal with API breaks early on

[true canyon]

Users can choose to enable, through an unsupported toggle, PEX 1.x loading!

[uncut moss]

bukkit support Red Sea wen

[cunning raft]

waiting for the non-ticking & never-stopping bukkit impli that md-5 keeps talking about

[waxen panther]

I think Paper preventing the use of UltraPermissions would be great

[kindred storm]

^

[cunning raft]

Paper preventing plugins is bad idea

[waxen panther]

I'm joking

[uncut moss]

ultrapermissions

[waxen panther]

but

[void void]

sadly

[worn ember]

Censorship

[waxen panther]

fuck ultrapermissions

[uncut moss]

why fuck ultrapermissions

[kindred storm]

UltraPermissions is a huge disappointment

[uncut moss]

that's pedo

[cunning raft]

We talked about this when Proxi made an ETF blocker

[waxen panther]

It's not a disappointment because there was never any good expectations to begin with

[zealous wedge]

meh people can use UP if they want

it's their money to waste

[uncut moss]

the techscode guy was asking stupid questions in large quantities on spigot forums like april 2019 so the code is probably bad

[waxen panther]

muh guis ! !

[serene bolt]

.... there's a paid permissions plugin? oh no

[golden gust]

The plugin doesn't even seemingly handle bukkit perms properly

[grand pewter]

always has been

[waxen panther]

Also doesn't have the same features as modern perm plugins either

[uncut moss]

i bet he has 3 free plugins and the rest premium

[zealous wedge]

it has the funkiest permissions storage format too

[golden gust]

Like, nossr was crazy and went OTT with mcMMOs permissions in plugin.yml

[waxen panther]

You're not far off

[zealous wedge]

it's a yaml file with keys and base64-encoded json

[uncut moss]

lol 4, one of them is some addon for UP tho

[cedar spade]

UltraPermissions is a weird one - there's definitely way more effort gone into it than some of the GM/PEX "continuations" I've seen, but also it's not exactly revolutionary

[kindred storm]

It's just a huge disappointment. Wasting money because you can't handle not having a GUI. Makes users reliant on the GUI; when it doesn't work, they're completely helpless. They don't know how to work permissions because the GUI did it all for them. Then they complain why permissions for another plugin don't work.

[golden gust]

and it's literally arse because people on UP run it ask for support because their perms don't work and they have 0 perms, yet, literally every other perm plugin works fine

[uncut moss]

md stfu the GUIs makes it revolutionary

[waxen panther]

Looking at verbose mode in a GUI is absolutely terrible and should've never been implemented

[zealous wedge]

i mean i don't see the point in spending energy on supporting it? as long as it's a paid, closed-source plugin nobody can know what it does or how to work around its issues

[uncut moss]

also all his gui plugins have like flashing fancy text

what the fuck is the point lol

[kindred storm]

Probably using the same lib

[uncut moss]

yeah his own

still pointless

[minor badge]

@waxen panther dumb

[waxen panther]

what do you want

hate u

[cedar spade]

I don't bother to help people with it, most of the time I just say "you know LuckPerms works pretty solidly and it's free"

[uncut moss]

but

does luckperms have guis?????

[zealous wedge]

luck is also significantly more active in the community

there's several gui plugins for LP

[tired heath]

Luckperms has a web editor

[dusk drift]

Web editor is fine and better

[kindred storm]

GUIs for permissions is a big downer

[serene bolt]

the luckperms web editor is far more capable than any crap GUI is going to be

[tired heath]

/lp editor

[uncut moss]

gui look more fancier so it's worth like $20

[cedar spade]

but muh 16 different glass panes for each group

[golden gust]

See, I do kinda wish that there was some like, external perm management tool

I had some ideas of stuff I'd like a little while back, but, I often literally manage my perms with a huge fuckoff text file with group commands and stuff

[ornate spindle]

luckperm's web editor is great, never editing perms ingame anymore tbh

[tired heath]

I would not edit it in game, even if no editor, why do I have a Mysql database

[uncut moss]

imagine if servers could make normal minecraft guis

mmmm

[vagrant niche]

Them fkers about to die

[serene bolt]

RIP Spiders

[cedar spade]

not if they get into the box and trash the vacuum first

[uncut moss]

spiderbro

[golden gust]

One thing I love of LP is the bulkedit command

I mean, I've used it once and refuse to ever use it again

But, like, it's cool that there is stuff like that where you don't gotta tell ID10Ts "here, just run this sql command"

[tired heath]

Spiders in your home, means less mosquitoes and other bug things

pro tipp

[uncut moss]

exactly

giant fucking tarantula in ur home is good for you in the long run

[tired heath]

I would not care about a tarantula at all. Maybe I would care in Australia or south america

[uncut moss]

and then when you wake up it'll sit on the roof right above you ready to jump

[tired heath]

In my country hardly any spider exist what could harm a human

so why would I care 🙂

[uncut moss]

here there's tiny ones

but imagine a huntsman spider or something doing that

a big ass one

[unreal quarry]

fun fact: you are never more than 5 feet from a spider

[tired heath]

I mean I hardly get stung by any flying shit, so i like spiders

[uncut moss]

not even true

space spiders

[tired heath]

As I wrote earlier

space bugs

very serious issue

[unreal quarry]

lol its a real thing. look it up. lots of people hate the idea so are "no, what if you're on a plane" etc. well, if you think planes dont have spiders....

[uncut moss]

they should bring a bird to the ISS

[unreal quarry]

is he you?

[uncut moss]

that'd be cool lol

[unreal quarry]

how do you know a spider didnt hitch a ride in his socks or something?

the worst kind of spider is the spider inside your helmet as you're riding a motorcycle on the freeway

[vagrant niche]

this aint about home spiders, this about giant fkng spiders under your car seat

big gigantic spiders

imagine one crawling on your leg whilst you drive

[uncut moss]

not a problem if you don't ride a motorcycle on the freeway

because your motorcycle doesn't do highway speeds

[cosmic raft]

spiders?

https://tenor.com/view/burn-it-all-down-kikiburn-kikifire-walkawayfire-gif-10506929

[static badge]

spiders are funny

especially the gigantic ones

[limber knot]

does dis4irc not have support for servers with passwords?

:(

[static badge]

z code dum af

[uncut moss]

Goliath birdeater

fluffy

[limber knot]

chew: feel free to PR

pr what

oh man i don't know kotlin

https://github.com/zachbr/Dis4IRC

[vagrant niche]

it does, am using it

just add a password field urself

[limber knot]

just password=bruh or whatever

ah yea

[true canyon]

bridge.config.irc.password

[vagrant niche]

ye on the config, password="password"

under the irc section

[true canyon]

Uses the best java IRC client library!

[vagrant niche]

karen irc or something

[true canyon]

😿

[waxen panther]

[vagrant niche]

oh, kitteh

[uncut moss]

learn kotlin

kotlin > java

[cosmic raft]

[vagrant niche]

kotlin users don't bath

[uncut moss]

wut

[vagrant niche]

kotlin users dont shave

[uncut moss]

😦

false propaganda

[vagrant niche]

homless ppl > kotlin devs

[cunning raft]

true

[vagrant niche]

u seen SF homless ppl? They defecate on the streets

[true canyon]

Better than kotlin devs who defecate into their IDEs! 😄

[vagrant niche]

kotlin devs pushes their shit on github

[peak dirge]

kotlin stanky

[limber knot]

will we see ircv3 support in Kitteh mbax?

[cosmic raft]

it already has most ircv3 support

lol

[vagrant niche]

it already has ircv4 and it hasnt been made yet

[limber knot]

i wanna see that entire column green

[true canyon]

Yeah yeah, me too 😦

[vagrant niche]

3 more red bars mbaxter

u can do it

[limber knot]

there's 2 or 3 that no libs support

you can be the first

[vagrant niche]

ye, setname and labeled response

should be ez

msg id too

[limber knot]

setname if im not mistaken is just if the channel changes its name

like slack

[true canyon]

setname is for realname changes.

[limber knot]

ahh okay

im thinking something else then

discord doesnt really have anything like realname does it?

[void void]

mfw >kotlin hate

[uncut moss]

why do setname

[limber knot]

start writing my plugins in GROOVY

[uncut moss]

when u can use kotlin and do name =

[limber knot]

live life in kotlin

like ruby?

[void void]

ew groovy

[uncut moss]

groovy poopoo

[limber knot]

groovy is groovy man

[true canyon]

Oh fuck me labeled-response is a batch thing.

[uncut moss]

groovy is equal to shit

[void void]

groovy should be nuked from distance

[limber knot]

fine i guess I'll use that new java js thing thats comin out

[uncut moss]

wut

[limber knot]

idk someone told me about it

[uncut moss]

that should probably also be nuked

[limber knot]

hmm https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8MYBbqMP/image.png

[void void]

lol

[cunning raft]

send typing packet 1500/s

[zealous wedge]

"no server involvement" ah yes

[true canyon]

I actually already have msgid support, it seems 😄 Yay that's one off the list.

[cosmic raft]

:3

[limber knot]

yay!

I should convert my old irc bot to kitteh

[peak dirge]

the very last IRC bot I made was in C# and I think I used some open-source library...

it was a port of a bot I wrote in Java

[limber knot]

can it be modular?

oh wait it is

according to example

irc 2.0 bot comin at ya

[true canyon]

I believe at this point you can swap out just about any part of the library with your own implementation, chew.

[peak dirge]

kitteh over Discord

[limber knot]

it was in ruby

see cinch? the far left? thats what i used

[cosmic raft]

It would just be a royal pain to do for some of the parts, is all

[peak dirge]

incidentially the last IRC bot I made in Java used PircBotX I think

before that I used PircBot

[limber knot]

well I was saying

like each command in its own module

or class

gamer lingo got mixed up

[true canyon]

Please drink a verification can to continue these references.

[limber knot]

whats in the can

[void void]

it's a suprise

[zealous wedge]

oh pircbotx was a time

[limber knot]

that sounds familiar

jibble

[zealous wedge]

those sure look like chemicals barty

[limber knot]

i love the implication that I dont know myself https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I0ioOTlI/image.png

but do you know yourself chew?

fite them barty

of course not

chew, meet chew

take some time to get to know yourself

no thanks she scares m

e

bully her until she stops scaring you

assert my dominance and scare her instead

ah yes

what should i work on

memes

i already made a website for them

now make memes to put on the website :p

[true canyon]

Who dis

[cosmic raft]

@vagrant niche bug cleanup required

[true canyon]

little guy, maybe 1mm wide

[tired heath]

Well ended up using nginx for the redirect, actually kinda similar to apache put much less stuff in it.

Like it

[vagrant niche]

omg waaat

nginx masterace

[tired heath]

Hmm k

[potent fossil]

thonk

[vagrant niche]

barty secretly an apache fanboi

[tired heath]

I programmed a whole wifi system using Apache, I could do the redirect with it without problems. But actually never used nginx so why not

[potent fossil]

I hate apache, personally.

That xml config drives me bonkers

[vagrant niche]

i hate simp, personally

[serene bolt]

nginx is great, i hopped off the apache train like 10 years ago

[potent fossil]

Tang ina mo, @vagrant niche

[limber knot]

zml: good idea

[tired heath]

I mean I miss the part of my DNA doing fanboyish things

I use whatever does the job

And Nginx looks not bad so far

[potent fossil]

my corporate jobs have only ever used IIS

[tired heath]

I'm not even using Windows on my home computer

Not up to date with it

[vagrant niche]

windows best OS

[potent fossil]

Neither am I unless it's for games that linux doesn't yet support

IIS is not new though

[tired heath]

true

[potent fossil]

Not by a long shot at all

In fact it's ancient

[tired heath]

But back in the days I had to use it last, it sucked ass

might be better today

[potent fossil]

IIS sucks balls

[tired heath]

lol

[median crystal]

What's the event

[tired heath]

I believe it blindly

[median crystal]

Of a fishing rod hook hitting an entity?

[potent fossil]

EntityDamageByEntityEvent probably, with 0 damage

[serene bolt]

yeah comcast used IIS internally too when I was there in 2016, was absolutely awful

[potent fossil]

I am not sure tho

[golden gust]

fish event, maybe?

pretty sure it covers that

[potent fossil]

This is pretty much modern IIS https://www.digicert.com/images/support-images/iis10/iis10-create-csr-1.png

[tired heath]

Well I still don't like what i see

[potent fossil]

Everything is GUI and is badly laid out

The config files are disgusting XML in each web root

If you dare edit by hand

[tired heath]

Do be honest, it does not look that much diffrent than 10 years ago

^^

[potent fossil]

Yeah it hasn't changed really lol

Just a few design things and maybe new features as tech changed like HTTP/2

But otherwise...it's IIS

yup

i lose 10 yrs off my life every time someone says "enn-jinx"

anyway this was IIS 2003 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/iis/configuration/system.applicationhost/sites/site/application/virtualdirectory/_static/image1.png

so as you can see, it's the same shit

different design

[limber knot]

Wait so it's not en jinx?

[potent fossil]

no

EngineX

[limber knot]

Oops

[potent fossil]

/etc

i mean to type /shrug but

brain...like...

idk

[serene bolt]

too much config editing, /etc engrained in brain

[tired heath]

I believe I only had one project in my life what actually needed iis, some retarded cms red dot or something like that a customer had like 20 years ago

[potent fossil]

IIS is pretty convenient when the webserver is .NET

.NET can be run on others but IIS is made for it

That said, it's still not fun

[tired heath]

Not gonna lie, never had projects with it

[potent fossil]

My last job I was the system owner (responsible for development, bugs, etc) of OnBase (quarter million dollar document management system) which had its application api written in .NET hosted on IIS

It was pretty terrible, but what are you gonna do

This is what big companies use

For whatever reason

[median crystal]

PlayerFishEvent works

[tired heath]

Well I guess it will have it's pros

[wide minnow]

im an editor for spifey
if yall know who that is

[serene bolt]

no WAY? can I get your autograph real quick? I love spifey!

what's spifey

[potent fossil]

some youtuber i guess

generic minecraft HEY GUYS AND TODAY

1.5 million subs tho lmao

[serene bolt]

that's a lot for some minecrafter

[wide minnow]

hes pretty cool

hes in the same friend group as skeppy

[potent fossil]

that means a lot coming from his editor

thank u

[serene bolt]

lol skeppy videos, i've actually seen a few of those

[potent fossil]

skeppy is also annoying as FUCK

[vestal jasper]

I used to use IIS like 10 years ago when I was retarded and didn't know better

[serene bolt]

yeah lol

[potent fossil]

he is the epitome of fucking annoying

[wide minnow]

skeppy is prob one of the best mc youtubers out there

currently

[potent fossil]

so if this guy is anything like skeppy, then gtfo

i dont care, he's annoying

[wide minnow]

ur opinion

[potent fossil]

definitely, and im not the only one with it

[serene bolt]

server owner trolling POGGERS

[vestal jasper]

a lot of people's opinion

[wide minnow]

he plays a character on the screen btw bts hes really nice

[zealous wedge]

what's a youtube?

[serene bolt]

obviously he plays a character lol, 99% of youtubers do

[potent fossil]

that's fine, but his 'character' is fucking annoying

[wide minnow]

i guess

[vestal jasper]

Bruh it's youtube
Pretty much most all youtubers put on a character when in front of the camera

[zealous wedge]

meh performers never really stop performing

[serene bolt]

<insert dramatic, exaggerated reaction here>

[zealous wedge]

they all have too much energy

[cunning raft]

Spiefy bro i love minecraft youtuber

[potent fossil]

queue pvp scene

OH MY GOD SCREAM OH VOICE CRACK OH GOD NO MAD CLICKING SCREAM OH GOD OH OH OH MOUSE HITTING THE DESK HARD CLICKING OH GOD SCREAMS LOUDLY, VOICE CRACKS MID SCREAM KILLS THE OPPONENT OH GOD, FUCK I ALMOST DIED OH MY GOD GUYS....breathing heavy oh god...ah...whew...wow guys. That was close.

[kindred storm]

minecraft youtube videos are the worst

[potent fossil]

That's Skeppy.

[serene bolt]

OMG THE SPAWN IS RUINED!!! I DONT THINK I HAVE A BACKUP GUYS, WHAT DID U DO WITH WORLDEDIT OMFG was the most recent skeppy video I saw I think

[golden gust]

"Remember to like an subscribe, just for that!"

FUCK, I FELL... WTF, SCREACHES IN 13 YEAR OLD

[potent fossil]

Don't forget to SMASH THAT MF BELL

FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS EVERY TIME I POST

[kindred storm]

oh no so sad i feel so bad for you

[serene bolt]

poggers I can't wait to watch the newest video right when it comes out on the bus to school!!!

[cunning raft]

OH MY GOD GUYS SO TODAY WE'VE ADDED A ZOMBIE GAMEMODE TO MINECRAFT YOU HAVE HALF A HEART AND YOU DIE IF IT KILLS YOU DEVS PLEASE MESXAGE ME THE 5 MINUTE JAVA TUTORIAL I FOLLOWED ISN'T WORKING IM GONNA MAKE 10K OFF THIS VIDEO BTW CAN YOU HELP FOR FREE

[potent fossil]

My niece was over the other day and unironically asked me to help her open up youtube on the smart TV and I'm like ok. So I give her the remote after that and she starts looking up roblox youtubers.

It's begun, y'all.

:/

[serene bolt]

my 4 year old nephew plays roblox on the xbox one for hours every day

[potent fossil]

I built her her first PC with pink themes and glowing lights.

[serene bolt]

he's so good at parkour like wtf

[potent fossil]

She pushes it to the absolute max playing roblox

😒

[grand pewter]

i didnt know people still played roblox

[cunning raft]

Dr Disrespect did last stream

[serene bolt]

LOL

[potent fossil]

My niece is 8yo, so she's still in that phase where roblox is the coolest shit ever.

I'm considering buying MC for her