There are forks of spigot or something which literally almost copy/paste viaversion into them
#general
golden gust
glad narwhal
i thought due optifine is opensource and you can easily download source and when you type "how to modify minecraft client" on youtube you're getting tutorials how to make cheat-client with optifine
slim nymph
@glad narwhal https://multimc.org/ better MC launcher
waxen panther
optifine isn't opensource.....
glad narwhal
why's that?
left swift
sharp sentinel
Because the dev doesn't want people to see his shitty code
slim nymph
just check it out. easier management of profiles, doesnt spam you to update every x days, doesnt require you to reopen launcher every day (just the game)
tired heath
limber knotBOT
optifine just abuses github for documentation hosting and issue management
glad narwhal
https://optifinesource.co.uk/ don't think so
potent fossil
probably is shitty code, however as long as there is no suitable replacement to get shaders then i'll be using it. i see no point is saying "ew dont use that" when there is no alternative.
neat smelt
thats not an official link arma
slim nymph
what does XX/YY FPS mean on optifine
unreal quarry
idk how to explain it because i'm not pro enough with it. i've only ever made a gocart and a traffic cone as entities. best way i think would just be to try it yourself. make a new entity model in forge and see what you think. it'll become clear
waxen panther
src != opensource at all lmfao
neat smelt
avg & min fps
serene bolt
yep
limber knotBOT
barty I think you're arguing for what it could be while billy is explaining how it is
round cedar
that's not the source, it's just Download latest Optifine versions the day the day they are released
limber knotBOT
Is it possible for a game to work like you say? Sure. Does Minecraft work at all like that? No.
shell vine
draconic evolution adds armor with 3D 😄
waxen panther
science
sharp sentinel
Doesn't it just use the block model renderer for most?
limber knotBOT
Does that still work? I thought at some point most/all of those just rendered nothing
serene bolt
yeah, they even special cased some items like a leash makes it look like you're wearing a monocle
serene bolt
yup, still can
sharp sentinel
And wearing leaves used to colour your armour and held item the colour of the leaf :^)
sharp sentinel
Yeah
glad narwhal
why mojang doesn't fix that stupid bug with leashes?
serene bolt
I'm not sure the leather armor shading one with leaves still works, I haven't tested that in a long time
waxen panther
social distancing in mc pls
sharp sentinel
Idk if it still works, definitely worked back in like 1.6.4
limber knotBOT
So I guess if you make your item look weird in hand you can make it render in a way that looks okay on head?
zealous wedge
me, that is uh several versions old
sharp sentinel
But we'd always try to mess with people pretending we had emerald swords lol, as the leaves made it green
waxen panther
lol
serene bolt
if you put stained glass on your head, your weapon would become glass-like and look super cool too
waxen panther
I didn't really play multiplayer until like late 1.7 / 1.8, and that isn't something my dumbass would find playing sp
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.1.6
limber knotBOT
HORSESSSSSSS. (Seriously, do not even THINK about support for 1.6)
glad narwhal
bug when you leash a mob and lead is floating upon the mob
sharp sentinel
I used to run a prison server so leaves on head was a common plot world shenanigan
Got to the point where we allowed /hat as a donor perk 😛
limber knotBOT
Oh so they only break the law once?
sharp sentinel
Doubt that's EULA-compliant now-a-days tho
unreal quarry
Barty, items render in your hand and on your head because the renderer has layers specifically designed for that..
sharp sentinel
Fair, I doubt having bricks on your head does much
waxen panther
extra camouflage, server has been blacklisted.
sharp sentinel
could argue that it gives you an extra inventory spot tho
yeah true
Mine was technically, as it was a prison server and everyone tried one-upping each other for ranks. But this was pre-EULA anyway so no issues
Good times
waxen panther
i wouldn't classify anything in minecraft as competitive
sharp sentinel
Doesn't the EULA say if it's displayed somewhere like a leaderboard it's competitive? I had the rank in the chat, which people saw as a status symbol. I'd very much consider that competitive
limber knotBOT
games like prison are glorified phone games, change my mind
sharp sentinel
Ehh I think there's more to it than that
@ Robo
And yeah that's fair barty, that makes sense
sharp sentinel
I had a really cool unique prison server back in the day, kinda miss it
But there's no way I have the motivation or want to get that up again
shell vine
mines cool 🙂
neat smelt
i'm still waiting for ofunny's shooter server
tired heath
Mojang eula sees competitive stuff as soon as you show players progress in any kind of rank so they could compare each progress with each other
sharp sentinel
It was one of the earlier prison servers, but it had a completely custom made drug system, had a plot confiscating system that animated putting bars around it, had a custom plot plugin that allowed merging plots to get bigger plots (afaik was the only one at the time),
Was the first to have a prestige system that actually made sense to do
Tonnes of custom content basically, and many many hidden areas etc in the prison
Also it used the cauldron block as a crafting system to make most of the drugs / secret items
waxen panther
drug system 
sharp sentinel
Yeah, I feel prison is a great gamemode if done properly - if I were to ever run a server again it'd be prison
Although I ended up turning it into a network later on as I wanted to make some experimental minigames and sell them off to other servers
From when I played bedwars, I'm pretty sure that it's somewhat based off a minigame I sold to some server network called Devinity (the minigame was called that, not the network)
It's almost identical except for a bed instead of a beacon
neat smelt
well that was generally the pre version of bedwars, blockwars
where you have to break a block instead of an bed
sharp sentinel
The other key difference was Devinity had a collection phase where you were safe for 2 minutes to collect resources in your quadrant of the map - there was a thing that automatically dropped resources, but you could speed it up by collecting respawning quartz around the map and returning it to the beacon
But most of the good quartz spots were outside of the safe zones during the first 2 minutes, so people still fought anyway most of the time
glad shell
potent fossil
Go to #paper-help.
tired heath
Ok, took me a while to find it barty, since I only get the german version anymore, no matter what i try: I try to translate it
It only relates to the point, if you sell stuff what has direct impact on a game, what is not allowed if some players will get an adavandage of it in some kind of competitive game.
And attached to that, they write:
This means that some games and game modes are not competitive games in the original, e.g. B. PvE games, players against the environment, but through game elements, such as a leaderboard to become a competitive game.
that's what I meant
neat smelt
oh
tired heath
Is a stupid Mojang quote anyways, they just want to get room to take something down they dislike
waxen panther
the goal is to have fun, boom send in the $500 dono ranks
tired heath
Should I load spread on my already 9 bulled raster pattern spreading shot gun, last thing for today
Not sure
neat smelt
i dont know what your talking about
tired heath
My shot gun shoots a raster of 9 projectiles, one centered and the other one to a given spread down, downlef, down, right, top and so on. Projectilsize is also freely adjustable (Boundingbox), now I could activate also a spread per bullet and direction, on top of that, all implemented already.
But I'm not sure if I should set that extra spread, it would make a more natural look
but also 9*3 extra random generations
neat smelt
for a shotgun, big spread & less damage over long range
tired heath
is already implemented
wepon core is 99% ready, just doing last asjudments with spread and stuff
by the way, virtuell projectile (hitscan)
bu never mind, i skip the extra spread
and go to bed
magic river
hitscan is a much simpler system for everyone
tired heath
Well I use proijectile based weapons and hit scan, but hitscan needed a lot of tuning, and lagg compensation
also bb interpolation on targest speed
stuff like that
swift root
Boop
worn pasture
uwu
fading crystal
can someone help me, how do i get invisible item frames in 1.16?
magic river
EntityTag
fading crystal
cant get it to work on my server 😦 im in creative and op
magic river
/minecraft:give @s item_frame{EntityTag:{Invisible:1}}
magic river
So you have Essentials or something
fading crystal
yes
magic river
Have to tell it to use the right give command then 😛
fading crystal
owwwwwwwwww
worn pasture
2020 is the year we all die
golden gust
you first
worn pasture
upper flicker
2020 going for that full 
cosmic raft
Yea but its 2020
shell vine
i randomly noticed remote_ping_cache what even is that in bungee
fallen oracle
My guess is how long ping data is cached when a player pings your server in their multiplayer list?
magic river
If you have a setup where a given domain goes directly to a specific server does bungee forward that server's server list info to players?
If so it could make sense for bungee to be caching that
potent fossil
the bubonic plague resurfaced before covid hit
due to people not vaccinating
so...
misleading news
magic river
I wasn't aware it was something we had a vaccine for
It's a bacterial infection, isn't it?
potent fossil
magic river
A systematic review by the Cochrane Collaboration found no studies of sufficient quality to be included in the review, and were thus unable to make any statement on the efficacy of the vaccine.
potent fossil
idk im not an epidemiologist, could be wrong
magic river
Looks like it doesn't get used and maybe doesn't even work, no one cares enough to check
potent fossil
well disregard then
magic river
Every year, thousands of cases of the plague are still reported to the World Health Organization, although with proper treatment, the prognosis for victims is now much better.
A formalin-inactivated vaccine was in the past[when?] available in the United States for adults at high risk of contracting the plague until removal from the market by the Food and Drug Administration. It was of limited effectiveness and could cause severe inflammation.
sinful sorrel
Yeah I dug into it a bit just now and it seems like there’s been some vaccines that have circulated but researchers kinda stopped caring about making a better one since plague is so rare and we have treatments for the few who do catch it
magic river
Yeah, antibiotics are great
nocturne agate
Is JavaScript any good?
potent fossil
Depends on the usecase.
magic river
Use TypeScript
nocturne agate
What on earth is that?
potent fossil
javascript with types.
nocturne agate
Oh
magic river
nocturne agate
So why does majority of people hate JavaScript and python?
potent fossil
I wouldn't say a majority does, but a lot of people who use and enjoy typed languages would because ^
nocturne agate
Whitespace?
potent fossil
whitespace is syntax in python
magic river
And JavaScript has some wacko rules, https://dorey.github.io/JavaScript-Equality-Table/
potent fossil
i mean, if you understand the language and it gets the job done then...
more power to you
magic river
while True:
# this is inside the while loop because of the indentation
print('repeat')
# this isn't because no indentation
print('peat')
dont gotta listen to what ppl say
magic river
So long as you use consistent code styling it isn't a big deal
But if you get sloppy with manually inserting tabs, spaces, or worse, a mix, it quickly becomes hard to tell what scope something is in
nocturne agate
So as my next language what should I learn in ur guy’s opinion
magic river
JavaScript or TypeScript, TS is just JS with some extra syntax
Probably start with JS then upgrade to TS once you get the hang of it
nocturne agate
Js is seems very powerful and is on high demand
potent fossil
kek
magic river
It's the most useful language right now as far as finding a job
nocturne agate
Yeah
potent fossil
I use JS a lot, though
nocturne agate
Alright thanks for the advice
nocturne agate
Quick question u Guys have job right? And if so what company or where?
magic river
I write TypeScript for a living
magic river
Well, usually, I'm also the goto guy for any random crap although I've managed to avoid the PHP project we still have for some reason
nocturne agate
Isn’t pho dead
potent fossil
no
nocturne agate
Php*
magic river
The opposite
potent fossil
it should be but that's another discussion entirely
magic river
It's thriving
potent fossil
oop php really isn't too terrible, i guess
potent fossil
but its global scope functions still kill me
magic river
PHP is faster than Python, probably easier to get a job with, and is getting a JIT in the next version
potent fossil
hmm
mellow quiver
python big yuck
nocturne agate
But isn’t php for for web development
magic river
Most Python is web development still, I think
That or data science stuff which is a whole separate thing
Just learning Python isn't enough there, you need to take statistics classes and such
mellow quiver
also machine learning amaranth
potent fossil
yeah lots of ML in python
magic river
That's under the data science umbrella
potent fossil
ah, ye, thats true
nocturne agate
Ik I wann hear his opinion
mellow quiver
- slow
- forced indentation
- bad oop implementation
- forced duck typing
last one especially
mellow quiver
No, indentation is always used, the problem happens when a particular style is forced, and required to keep something in scope
that is the definition of yuck
magic river
Most other languages do have one really annoying similar thing though, you can have a single expression in an if/else/while/for block without using braces
mellow quiver
What's so annoying about that?
magic river
It's a common source of errors
worn pasture
i'm a javascript engineer 
though tbh i don't do a lot of coding, i just approve PRs most of the time
grand pewter
approve ALL the prs!
also what's the deal about the block thing?
i mean a single statement is a single statement
starts with the if, ends with the ;
although seems like people mostly dont like it because when mixed with loop/if bodies then it can be somewhat confusing i guess
golden gust
because it gets messy and cludgy to refactor stuff
sharp sentinel
I'm seeing people talk about async pathfinding around the place 👀
What's up with that
serene bolt
that's the hot new feature in the mc market server jars people sell
sharp sentinel
lmao, that makes sense
unkempt drift
is there anything legit about it?
magic river
Hmm, actually, if you deferred entity block updates until the end of the tick couldn't you do async pathfinding no problem?
sharp sentinel
I'm not majorly familiar with it - but AFAIK pathing uses a separate mesh that's generated on block update - if that was done in a thread-safe way, probably
magic river
Why would pathing use a separate mesh?
afaik similar systems in other games are just generating a voxelization of the world
sharp sentinel
Idk, but WorldEdit was calling some mesh generation function
And without it entities don't immediately react to block changes in their pathing
magic river
But if a collision mesh is just a voxelization of the geometry why would we need one?
golden gust
only real concern is around plugins and events
sharp sentinel
Maybe it was a pathing update thing to tell entities to re-calculate pathing
magic river
I guess if it's an octree or something that could still make sense
golden gust
But, outside of that, that type of stuff should be fine to do
sharp sentinel
And the mesh may have been a mesh of existing pathing
serene bolt
the async pathfinding is a legit thing, but who knows how safe it is with how it's implemented in the mc market crap, I can't imagine well... but if it works it works I guess (tm)
sharp sentinel
I gotta get on this, make something dumb like async config loading and sell it for $$$
"Yes, it blocks the main thread. But it's still async."
serene bolt
just throw "Async" in front of some random buzzwordy lines and you've got yourself a product
"Fast Async World Edit" that's a good one too, ship it 
sharp sentinel
.fawe
limber knotBOT
magic river
Two forms of torture in one
serene bolt
lmao that's uh, that's something alright
cosmic raft
your new shoes
serene bolt
kash always gives me the best presents that get me bullied 
potent fossil
its not very secret then, is it... https://i.imgur.com/byXERCT.png
potent fossil
i didnt watch the video, but im pretty sure this is what will happen
"god save the queen, may her soul rest in peace"
"god save the king."
serene bolt
comfy right?
grand pewter
just the usual clickbait
fallen oracle
Anyone wanna come watch?
potent fossil
yes
fallen oracle
Alrighty, Larry just ruined the night.
grand pewter
can i join
slim nymph
and glare's ISP then shuts down his network
grand pewter
i want to witness this bee-eauty
thin fable
did they do a shadow patch to villager tradings?
why are my villagers suddenly selling me books at around 54 emeralds from their discounted price at 1
after i buy a few
o__o
anyways hi
raw vector
Hey quick question. Where would be a good place to touch up on java knowledge. Was taking a course from mineacademy and the java course structure felt a bit messy. On their spigot part rn and not too big of a fan of emm using their own custom lib w/o explaining to indepth the traditional way(at least yet).
Was searching a bit on em rn with discord search functionality in this discord and mmmm spicy drama. Saw mentions of jetbrains course.
Also in general, where's a good resource to learn spigots api
potent fossil
sigh
potent fossil
jetbrains course is good. as for learning spigot api...just...learn java and then read the docs.
ask questions as needed.
raw vector
Aight cool
vernal moth
Wait
ancient bolt
that's what he's asking @potent fossil don't be an ass
vernal moth
Ppl use discords search before they ask?!
raw vector
yeah might just be me who searches for stuff haha
ancient bolt
yes you were, answering his question of "how should I learn java?" with "operative phrase. learn java." is being an ass. Don't start an argument here
potent fossil
jetbrains course is good. as for learning spigot api...just...learn java and then read the docs.
ancient bolt
I read what you said.
slim nymph
@thin fable we fixed a bug in 1.15 for them.
people just got use to the bugged prices
now the prices are correct to vanilla expectations
mortal zinc
rofl Minecraft used as an example in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
In some cases, developers may decide to reset the major version number. This is sometimes used to denote a new development phase being released. For example, Minecraft Alpha ran from version 1.0.0 to 1.2.6, and when Beta was released, it reset the major version number, and ran from 1.0 to 1.8. Once the game was fully released, the major version number again reset to 1.0.0.[12]
very nice
ancient bolt
I think I figured out why parameters used in lambda expressions weren't getting remapped properly
sharp sentinel
Love it when JS libraries make breaking changes in a patch release
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js in general is 
sharp sentinel
A webpack plugin just replaced all instances of Blacklist with Denylist in a patch release. I have no issue with the change itself, but like... Either add backwards compat or make it a major release
ancient bolt
now that's javascript
sharp sentinel
Like I'd just finished a CI migration, everything seemed good. But nope, build failed for one artefact. Because the webpack plugin had a backwards incompatible change when I pulled the latest patch versions for deps
glad narwhal
dunno if anyone need it, but i got birthday
slim nymph
damn normally js community is really strict on semver
ancient bolt
add a println statement to use a breakpoint catch and forgot to remove it
so now I'm getting a newline printed in my console for every variable name usage in minecraft's source code
worn pasture
Which package?
sharp sentinel
uhh some workbox webpack plugin
ancient bolt
@vernal moth found a bug in Mercury's AT generator
would ping minecrell but who knows where he's at these days
@sturdy wing if you're around (and if you care, and if you're on discord)
anyways it generated public net.minecraft.server.PacketStatusListener$1ServerListPingEvent
vernal moth
Just open an issue, jam_ie will take a look
vernal moth
Minecrell wrote in cadix irc an hour ago btw
ancient bolt
would dig into mercury to figure out what's causing that but it's getting late
oh really
guess i should check back there more often
vernal moth
Joined the discord yesterday and don't have the channel muted
sharp sentinel
set every player who tries trading with a piglin on fire?
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barty will just remove them all
sharp sentinel
I prefer my method
winter stirrup
Spawn TNT at the player that is bartering
winter stirrup
Blow up the hoglin, and the player.
sharp sentinel
beds are boring
celest rose
does anyone here understand the anti-xray thing?
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celest rose
I'm looking at a guide, to get engine mode 2 working, but it's acting as the guide says engine mode 1 should work
I'm trying to use 2
as I said 🙂
limber knotBOT
celest rose
it works, if I'm trying to get what the guide says engine mode 1 does
ancient bolt
okay remapped spigot sources with no patches is down to 31 errors. 5 access transformer issues, 1 naming class with Bukkit (will have to write a fun rewriter for that), and 25 implementation issues (either class isn't implementing a method or method is marked with @Override but isn't implementing anything). The implementation issues are probably also naming issues but in a different way, but we'll see after I dig deeper. Regardless I'm really close to a fully compiling remapped source set without requiring patch fixes
yeah at least 20 of those impl issues are actually a naming issue that I just found
vernal moth
It's only really gets funny if you port patches, since obfhelper clash and you need tons of ATs
ancient bolt
I'm 100% sure this is another case caused by md_5 not mapping all classes too
vernal moth
You plan on porting patches automatically right? That would mean porting obfhelpers, right?
In the long term, we would want to get rid of those, but I guess it's fine for now
ancient bolt
yeah, though the first "move to <mappings>" will likely require a more involved process, since we are going to have some stuff that conflicts
well nevermind
I want it to be fully automated
the way we'll do it is with my mcp renames
basically special paper names for conflicting names
so if we have an obfhelper named something that conflicts we can just append Mcp to the end of the original method or w/e
the patch target is srg (or the yarn equiv), not the readable mappings
vernal moth
I would actually rename obfhelpers
ancient bolt
I mean, yeah if someone wants to modify the patches we could remove the renames at some point
but this wouldn't require modifying any patches
that's the beauty of being based on intermediate mappings
vernal moth
Yeah, and renaming them to include like a _obfhelper suffix makes it clear for new patches
ancient bolt
so yeah I think my goal of fully automatic patch remapping is still possible even with obf helpers. It'll just require adding the conflicting names to our list of rewrites, then run it again
so not totally automatic
but once we've done it once then we have the list of names which conflict already
I actually want to look into using yarn intermediate mappings regardless if we go mcp, yarn, or mojang
since they have intermediate mappings for classes too
so this issue I ran into wouldn't happen and could have been solved with the name rewrites like the others
the downside is intermediate names for classes makes the code impossible to debug mid-remap
neat smelt
@celest rose better late then never: https://gist.github.com/stonar96/ba18568bd91e5afd590e8038d14e245e
celest rose
same guide that didn't work
reinstalling paper fixed it
but with some odd behavior
default settings would not work
limber knotBOT
DemonWav: you can ping me here too if you have to
DemonWav: but generally I'm not gonna provide more than a few thoughts, I don't remember the last time I wrote Java shit
latent valve
man those ppl that want those dupe toggleable i wonder if their server have crash from too many tnt or item 
worn ember
Mini. I've seen a concerning lack of hangar the past week
void void
i mean mini does have a job
quasi valley
@vernal moth hangar wen
cedar spade
and also minimessage
quasi valley
thanks for reminding me to remind mini
spiral eagle
Is it possible to make a script that auto-updates paperclip and starts the jar? Anyone? Id love some help?
Message #paper-help
cedar spade
#paper-help makes me lose braincells every time I look at it
quasi valley
sounds like lack
quasi valley
read the words backwards.. 
vernal moth
Oh wow
smh imagine not working on hangar as your full time job
@cedar spade pay me ^^
I just got a raise at my job, you gonna have to match that
twin lagoon
mini you could be making mad block game money
vernal moth
Gonna have to put ads in the startup message then
twin lagoon
go work on hangar
vernal moth
To raise to budget
quasi valley
like coreprotect
twin lagoon
oh right intelli isn't in this chat
half of the r/admincraft community died yesterday because of him
vernal moth
Should prolly get him back here
twin lagoon
yeah probably not
twin lagoon
@cedar spade some guy from pebblehost was being a dickhead for weeks
he got banned by one of the staff
intelli was like ok let's not, bans the staff, unbans the guy from pebblehost
50% of the good community leaves
vernal moth
Oh lol
quasi valley
LOL
cedar spade
admincraft has staff other than mbaxter?
heady spear
IS r top EH simps now
cedar spade
I've heard the horror stories of mbax attempting to run that community lol
cedar spade
at least hydev is gone from admincraft, finally
twin lagoon
the original channel on r/admincraft
I've heard the horror stories of mbax attempting to run that community lol
yeah but then intelli comes in out of nowhere
and gets into moderation actions like this
cedar spade
That's the horror stories
vernal moth
Remember when intelli tried to replace mcforums?
cedar spade
No, he got everyone else to try and replace it for him, went MIA, blocked everyone from doing anything without his permission then eventually everyone got kicked from the Discord server
quasi valley
wat so intelli wanted to copied r/admincraft for a game that doesn't even have public dev builds?
nice.
heady spear
It just saddens me that Intelli has some sort of plugin monopoly when the plugins are utter shite
twin lagoon
prism
cedar spade
p r i s m
heady spear
and if you dare criticise his code, he'll tell you that you're wrong
he spends an insane amount of time shit talking other plugins
cedar spade
*If you dare criticise any decision Intelli makes
heady spear
but until a couple of weeks ago he didn't know what an interface was
or how to use them 🙂
cedar spade
I'm tempted to request access to the CoreProtect repo but I think he hates me
twin lagoon
probably not
cedar spade
quasi valley
he wasn't 5 minutes ago
twin lagoon
lmao
quasi valley
he's watching 👀
twin lagoon
goddammit mini
cedar spade
inb4 he comes in with a complete non-defense and tops it with "well actually I think PlotSquared is shit"
quasi valley
or again with "we're cleaning things up, you're free to request access as well"
heady spear
at least I know my plugin is shit, but it's open sourced and we're transparent about the shit we're improving, lol
olive marlin
One of the reasons I want to get rid of CoreProtect - I don't like the direction it's going with him. Though I couldn't find a better alternative :/
heady spear
I left when the CoreEdit channel became a FAWE bashing shit fest
twin lagoon
prism @olive marlin
cedar spade
my plugin is shit but we just say "fix in 3.0" and then delay 3.0 indefinitely
quasi valley
EssX 3.0 full rewrite wen?
cedar spade
Prism should work but it's not got a big support community
I mean it's on MOSS but not many people are around to help
Then again, most people who use it don't have many issues beyond initial setup
heady spear
I looked through prism when I started working on my own CP replacement and lost motivation, it's well made
olive marlin
That's why I was looking at LogBlock, but @twin lagoon said not to use it without any explanation lol
heady spear
and now I don't feel like there's much point in rolling my own shit
I recommend prism whenever people complain about CP, they seem to be happy enough with it
quasi valley
CP has 3 separate commands with the same description, but separate permissions, that share the same command handler, but not set as aliases
olive marlin
Hmm. I might look into replacing CP with Prism. Hope it has a sane interface.
And tracks stuff properly.
Spent an hour the other day trying to track down where a dragon egg disappeared, and CP had nothing in logs.
Or itemframe logging...
twin lagoon
Hope it has a sane interface.
cedar spade
Prism tracks far more than CP and actions are more granular
cedar spade
eh, the interface marginally better than CP
at least as far as I recall
We switched to CP a couple of years ago and I have nothing but regrets
olive marlin
Nice!
cedar spade
^^from Prism I mean
olive marlin
I was hoping to switch before we reset for 1.16. Now might need some period where both will work, but that shouldn't be a problem.
sharp sentinel
Wait Prism still exists?
cedar spade
Last time I used Prism everything just seemed to work a bit better, but at the time I wasn't sure if Prism was going to get abandoned by the Addstar folks
sharp sentinel
I think I used that back in 2014
olive marlin
Yeah - Prism is 1.15+ now, from what I see.
sharp sentinel
Idk I switched to something from LogBlock that wasn't CoreProtect
cedar spade
Yeah Add5tar and Narimm maintain it now, they joined MOSS a while back
olive marlin
.g addstarmc prism github
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/AddstarMC/Prism-Bukkit -- AddstarMC/Prism-Bukkit: Prism is a rollback/grief ... -...: "Prism is a rollback/grief management tool for Bukkit - AddstarMC/Prism-Bukkit."
worn ember
admin craft? sounds cringe
twin lagoon
don't bother
cedar spade
Seems to just be Narimm now
worn ember
sounds like CV 2.0
cedar spade
I stopped visiting admincraft regularly after the whole mcforums.com debacle
sharp sentinel
I pretty constantly watch that subreddit in case someone asks a WorldEdit question
static badge
what happened with mcforums
cedar spade
don't really have any interest in a community where someone completely distant from it can sweep in and make instant moderation decisions for no particular reason
sharp sentinel
So I can answer it before all the FAWE snipers jump in /s 😛
vernal moth
goddammit mini
@twin lagoon don't blame me, lol
I was in work meeting, I didn't do shit
twin lagoon
worn ember
did you mean voxelsnipers?
sharp sentinel
Nah I was making a joke about how admincraft seems to have people recommending FAWE every time someone has WorldEdit in a list of plugins
heady spear
yeah because they're not insane
cedar spade
Intelli tried to make a replacement for Minecraft Forums when it was going to shut down, got lots of people interested, but then disappeared and refused to let anyone work on it in his absence
cedar spade
Then repeatedly adamantly denied he had done that
heady spear
We spend an insane amount of money on having people go out and advertising FAWE in the wild
bcuz we're rich
vestal jasper
@cedar spade I have more messages than him. In the server he created. And I'm not even active there :^)
worn ember
Fast Async World Exception
cedar spade
adds FAWE to EssentialsX's unsupportedPlugins
vestal jasper
I've only got him beat by like 100, and those are messages I can see. I imagine in moderation channels etc he's got me beat by a bit.
quasi valley
lmao
heady spear
altho when i bribed aikar he didn't get any nicer to me
hey who here can be bought for a reasonable amount of money
i want friends
vestal jasper
I bribed city once, he was nice to me for a bit, then he started being abusive when I stopped giving him money :(
heady spear
bcuz u suck
quasi valley
I'll be yours for 1
vestal jasper
$1 or 1 what
heady spear
1kr?
quasi valley
maybe 2
heady spear
ill give u sucky sucky in exchange for friendship
quasi valley
worn ember
ok
sharp sentinel
Trying to work out if that's considered distasteful content lol
worn ember
#ProstituteLivesMatter
cedar spade
imagine being responsible for PlotSquared lmao
heady spear
am make coins
quasi valley
or FAWE 
worn ember
i cant find my fawe meme 
heady spear
PlotSquared is the fastest selling premium resource on Spigot
worn pasture
ffs who brought the admincraft drama here lmao
sharp sentinel
Yeah while I won't attack FAWE, I'll happily attack any of Jesse's code in FAWE/his contributions to WorldEdit
quasi valley
oh no
twin lagoon
hot
worn ember
Nassim 
quasi valley
hot, thank you 😂
cedar spade
*knenwald
heady spear
#Me4502IsOverParty
worn pasture
admincraft has staff other than mbaxter?
@cedar spade yeah me and Z and another guy. Z is the only one left now lol.
cedar spade
rip
quasi valley
probably wants to save his braincells
static badge
if he's not around much it means he got his ass kicked
worn ember
vestal jasper
tbf you prob wouldn't want to stick around in a community that pretty much brigaded for your demotion for several months straight
worn ember
i mean, no offense but thats kinda his own fault
heady spear
why did u leave Potato Onions Radish Nori ded?
vestal jasper
Yes but you still get my point
worn ember
yes i do
twin lagoon
hi leaf
vestal jasper
I understand that ur retarded @static badge god damn fucking furry
worn pasture
👀
vestal jasper
sharp sentinel
Could we preferably not talk about decisions about who is and isn't a moderator
It's a matter between the project developers and wiz
worn ember
was just curious, mah bad
worn pasture
i'm just happy to be unbanned 🙌
worn pasture
cute
vestal jasper
make me mod my first course of action will be to ban turbo again
worn ember
poosy uwu
worn pasture
@vestal jasper take me now
heady spear
kinda leaning into md_5 territory
worn ember
@vestal jasper at least we can ping you till you become mod
vestal jasper
I can ban you from my personal server @worn pasture if that suffices
worn pasture
yay no more simp chat updates
quasi valley
gotta look at the channel description of #the-silents
vestal jasper
I'll name it simpchat if you keep this up
worn ember
simplechat?
sharp sentinel
thanks city you too ❤️
heady spear
It's still the fastest selling plugin on Spigot™️
worn ember
Corona: exists cuz people travel and contract the disease
Government: ok stop this, bad, lockdown
Economy: REEE but meh money
Government: "ok fine you can travel again"
Corona: ah shit here we go again
worn pasture
songoda be like 
heady spear
710 morons paid for it. I don't think I'm the dumb one here
sharp sentinel
Oh wow, nice
worn ember
city called my code bad, i will never forgive him
i'm ddossing all his services as we speak
worn ember
@vestal jasper
no
your pp small
heady spear
correction, 714 morons
vestal jasper
@worn ember joke's on you I talked about naming it ppChat earlier
sharp sentinel
I always find dbo reviews so odd
Like it gets a single download sometime within the first hour
worn ember
you have more people that have bought your plugin than people that downloaded my free plugin
sharp sentinel
But takes ~24 hours to be approved
Does that mean someone is full on reviewing it for like 23 hours straight lol
heady spear
sometimes I get updates approved in 20 minutes
sharp sentinel
To dbo?
sharp sentinel
Use dbo or use your plugin?
worn ember
idk what happend, but i'm not complaining lol
cedar spade
I normally have to wait a day for EssX
heady spear
both, preferably
if no one uses it then I don't have to help them
helping people is awful
sharp sentinel
Just send anyone who asks for help this picture
worn ember
lmao
worn ember
meanwhile
cedar spade
"I turn 13.5 this Friday how dare you call me a kid"
worn ember
sharp sentinel
"I'm 13 and a half next year"
granite salmon
heady spear
I get loads of questions in spanish and german
cedar spade
the Spanish has been spoken
cedar spade
@heady spear wie bist du
worn ember
at least he gave me 5 stars
sharp sentinel
Honestly at this point if someone starts speaking in a foreign language I now assume they're saying something super racist
quasi valley
wie bist du 
sharp sentinel
Way too many times I've gone to google translate and found out it's "14 words" in Russian or something
worn ember
nein nein nein nein
heady spear
The Spanish ones I could read, but I just ignore them
if they're gonna go full paella then they don't reserve my time
cedar spade
weirdly MOSS doesn't get many non-English speakers
worn ember
i'd rather have retards not use my plugins
sharp sentinel
Like probably 90% of the time if someone straight up starts in a foreign language it's just racist spam. Generally people who want support start with using google translate to English first
cedar spade
maybe because EssX hides the Discord link in walls of English text
quasi valley
I think foreigners are too dum for open source software
sharp sentinel
From my experience in EngineHub, at least
worn ember
thats lacist
sharp sentinel
I mean I have nothing against non english speakers at all, I very much want to provide them support if I can. People seem to just send racist spam in foreign languages though because moderators don't pick it up as quickly. Those people probably are english speakers who just want to troll.
worn ember
and make them pay for it
cedar spade
md_5 is Australian
heady spear
I hate everyone honestly
cedar spade
not English
left swift
Australians speak English most of the time
heady spear
I should just quit minecraft altogether
worn ember
if they dont speak english they can fuck right off tbh
heady spear
find a less awful hobby
sharp sentinel
Am Australian, can confirm we don't speak english
left swift
Md is austrlianist
cedar spade
am English, can confirm we also don't speak English
heady spear
The Minecraft server community is so fucking toxic it's insane
worn ember
you think mc is toxic?
heady spear
I think it's making me more depressed lmao
cedar spade
can we all move to Fabric pls
worn ember
have you played any other games even?
left swift
Mc isn't toxic, people are toxic
left swift
The games aren't the issues the people are
sharp sentinel
Oh the Minecraft community has 100% made me depressed
There's no doubt about that
worn ember
stfu im offended you little shit, calling me toxic
void void
woah
heady spear
I used to go on the internet to escape rl but rn everything just makes me feel worse
cedar spade
"I'm not toxic ur toxic"
worn ember
toxic masculanity -Gillette
heady spear
and the recent witch hunts have kinda put me off completely
sharp sentinel
witch hunts?
worn ember
lol
sharp sentinel
What witch hunts have there been?
left swift
Cant believe you thought of talking about 1.8 combat in my presence I'm triggered ur toxic updaters are cancer
sharp sentinel
Actually no don't answer that
heady spear
there are so many genuinely bad people in the great server community
sharp sentinel
I don't want to bring that discussion here
worn ember
again
heady spear
so I'm kinda thinking of just working on p2 behind the scenes and then like idk
disappearing from the internet, would be hella nice :p
cedar spade
The Salem witch trials that famously occurred on Discord in June 2020
sharp sentinel
I somehow seem to stay out of most MC drama, my biggest problem with the community is the amount of abuse I get thrown at me
sharp sentinel
Go one step further, drive out into the desert for a week - that's the dream
left swift
Gonna miss reading about gym grunters from city
quasi valley
without water
worn ember
without water
heady spear
I know how the shit directly affects the people that are targeted and no one seems to fucking understand that there are people involved
worn ember
oh shit sniped
quasi valley
hah
cedar spade
I tend to avoid thinking too much about them (but then again my head is too spaced out for stuff to get to me most of the time anyway)
heady spear
everyone just gangs up on people, resolve to personal attacks and forget what they're actually angry about. It's sad 🤷♂️
quasi valley
I'm super glad that Via has enough moderators to make me never have to deal with the most obnoxious people lol
left swift
It feels like city was just here yesterday 
worn ember
meanwhile i got my 4th star on github, am i famous yet?
sharp sentinel
I very much do not support personal attacks being thrown at people here. If it happens, contact a moderator for it to be dealt with
I'm always fine with people pinging me (for actual legitimate problems)
cedar spade
MOSS is an okay bubble
heady spear
& then there's the elitism and just generally piss poor attitudes 🤷♂️
Dunno, just fed up
vestal jasper
Ok but we're allowed to make fun of leaf for being a furry right? Obviously.
sharp sentinel
EngineHub gets around most of that by being purely a support place with no general chatter
worn ember
can confirm people are pretty entitled in the mc community, that being said, i'd like to get my premium membership for free cuz my plugin has 30+ downloads
heady spear
ye IS have pretty much locked down to everyone but notables
and if anyone is annoying I just ban them
but meh we'll see, might stick around for a bit longer 🤷♂️ I prolly shouldn't for the sake of my mental health tho lmao
worn ember
man, are you really suffering from toxic 12 year olds?
cedar spade
I tend to come and go from here, I was active here for quite a while and then took a several-month-long break
worn ember
ive been playing dota for 4-5 years now, if i let those people get to me i'd be in a mental hospital by now xD
sharp sentinel
Ngl this place is probably one of the least mental health damaging MC communities I'm in lol
worn ember
what?
static badge
@vestal jasper
worn ember
this place is toxic as fuck
cedar spade
eh, depends
worn ember
sometimes
sharp sentinel
Providing support in EngineHub is definitely #1 just because how constant and mentally wearing it is
heady spear
This place used to be even worse ngl
static badge
we're talking minecraft here boys
vestal jasper
@static badge furry
vernal moth
This place got so much better recently
quasi valley
wiz did really make sure to get the most annoying people out
hopefully it stays that way :>
heady spear
wiz also contributed to a lot of it :))
sharp sentinel
I mean, to be fair 90% of it is shitposting, which doesn't get to me personally
vernal moth
We just gonna recruit more mods from IS discord then 😂
sharp sentinel
But I definitely understand it can be harmful to others
static badge
the standards for cancer are pretty low in mc
worn ember
he was the problem and the solution
quasi valley
wiz also contributed to a lot of it :))
welp that's another thing 👀
heady spear
Ye IS #secret is always open for paper mod recruitment
worn ember
you'd need to come with some top notch insults to get through my dense skull to offend me lol
heady spear
and Z said they don't have a formal application system, smh
sharp sentinel
The official paper moderation recruitment channel
vernal moth
I don't even know who is currently mod here
vernal moth
Other than the two from IS
static badge
gimme mod
sharp sentinel
Glare, aurora, and me
worn ember
i think its time to merge IS and paper kappa
quasi valley
stef 👀
static badge
no
cedar spade
Merge MOSS and EngineHub
warm anchor
lol
cedar spade
because 200 projects isn't too many
worn ember
imagine maintaining more than 1 project
sharp sentinel
Merge Paper and Spigot 👀
cedar spade
I don't, MOSS is just a combined support server for largely-separate projects
I would leave Paper if that happened
sharp sentinel
What if you uploaded worldedit update, but dbo said "Under Review"
worn ember
im just here to shitpost and ask dumb programming questions
vernal moth
Merge Paper and Spigot 👀
@sharp sentinel we just eat up spigot, that's a form of merging too, right?
worn ember
(and to bully mini about hangar)
cedar spade
hangar wen
quasi valley
new ragnah
worn ember
i wanted to help mini but ore is too big brain for me and i cant get it to run lmfao
cedar spade
I can't even figure out which repos are actively used lol
quasi valley
that'll be the 2.0 in 2038
vernal moth
Am at work, implementing 51degrees
left swift
Ain't working ur here
vernal moth
Using spring of course
left swift
Go work
sharp sentinel
Is Ore still written in Scala with the Play framework?
cedar spade
EssentialsX 3.0 will be released exclusively on Hangar 2.0
worn ember
51degrees? thats pretty hot ngl
cedar spade
Me: Yup
sharp sentinel
Half the sponge team were really against it when that decision was made 😦
vernal moth
cedar spade
c u r v e
vernal moth
Ore is really hard to work with
I thought the frontend was smth I hated
Then I saw the backend
left swift
Clean ur cans up off ur deak
worn ember
huehue
worn ember
its called organized chaos
vernal moth
Messy desk is a messy mind
@left swift that only applies if you work with your desk
left swift
U work with ur feet or something
worn ember
https://www.hetzner.com/cloud would the cheapest option be enough to run a Jenkins server and some basic websites?
spice finch
do they call KVM cloud?
worn ember
idk what kvm even is
spice finch
VPS
worn ember
ig ye
vernal moth
Kvm is a virtualization software
left swift
Flexible
worn ember
so i'll take that as a yes?
void void
have fun
left swift
Danger spaghetti
worn ember
why are enterprise cpu's so much more expensive?
void void
because companies are willing to pay more
worn ember
that makes no sense tho
void void
well it's like they charge much more because they can
worn ember
sounds like a bad investment, so they must offer something else thats worth the money
cunning badge
.flags
limber knotBOT
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worn ember
ah yes the banana joke, so intuitive 🙂
void void
Is there some plugin that shows versions of all plugins installed?
instead of me checking each plugin manually to keep everything updated
worn ember
the startup log
void void
but its so long... :/ Then I have to read through it
and find all lines saying "update this plugin"
void void
Ye, not sure how I would do it tho. I guess I can just make it try the /version commands on each plugin
or smth.
unreal quarry
@void void if you do /plugins in game on 1.16 you can mouse over the plugins to see version info 😉
really helpful stuff
unreal quarry
of course
unreal quarry
you just need to get an instance of the plugin and do getDescription() or whatever it's called
all the info is in there
worn ember
get all plugins, loop over them, get the version and print it to the player
void void
oh wait, so the .getDescription() cointains all the info 
worn ember
theres also .getVersion i think
unreal quarry
waxen panther
Science
waxen panther
Rarely
void void
bruuh
nvm i see they put their website
and in some cases thats spigot
where I can compare the installed version to the web version 
I just found out that you can easily do /version <plugin>
waxen flare
hey
void void
nvm rip - there is already someone who made this 😭 https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/autoplug-automatic-plugin-updater.78414/
waxen panther
Automatic plugin updates are stupid
void void
Why?
twin lagoon
hail config breaking
quasi valley
glances at SkinsRestorer
waxen panther
What if you have to do something in the update and it’s written in the update logs?
You’ll never know what was update / changing and your shit will be broken
quasi valley
even if EVERYTHING is automatic, you force people onto potentially broken builds
void void
Hmm... ye thats true
quasi valley
it's just intrusive
waxen panther
it’s stupid
void void
I think I will just make a version controller instead
wide chasm
It's nice as an option if it's opt-in
waxen panther
Takes 5 seconds to go on spigot and see what plugins you have notifications for
quasi valley
It's nice as an option if it's opt-in
^and disabled by default
twin ruin
incompatibilities also, sometimes running a not latest version means your server starts xD
waxen panther
follow the resource
void void
You mean "watching"?
void void
👍
real basin
so changing merge radius foir xp to stop clumping what should i set it to
quasi valley
0
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void void
someone 300 iq in here: how can I match a plugins information accessible with Paper API and its resource page on spigot?
I was thinking about searching with https://spiget.org/search/, but can be hard finding the right resource page 😦
waxen panther
Paper api is irrelevant but you’d probably have to add the urls yourself
void void
@waxen panther Why is it irrelevant, isn't that what I am using to get information such as version, website and authors from a installed plugin?
waxen panther
No? That’s a part of bukkit not paper exclusive, that’s also just for locally downloaded plugins it wouldn’t help you at all with an web api
You’d be doing a get request and then comparing the versions
Just look at an open source plugin that checks its own version and copy what they’re doing, you’ll have to manually add the urls for each plugin though
Relying on search is bad
left swift
You could make a spigot account, follow the plugins you want to get notified for updates, then maybe have it email you alerts if that's an option
waxen panther
I told him that already but
void void
@left swift Ye, but I wanted to integrate it on my server
waxen panther
left swift
Instead of jumping through 600 can sized hoops
waxen panther
Better to spend 5 hours making your solution than taking 5 seconds to check on spigot ammirite?
sharp sentinel
I had some random DM me saying “you should see what ECC are doing with CraftBook at their spawn”. They refused to elaborate, so I logged on out of curiosity. There was nothing there at all so I have no idea wtf they were on about
left swift
What is ecc
sharp sentinel
Uhh it’s an economy server but I’m not gonna elaborate as I don’t want to advertise them