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in 3 months people will have gotten used to the new UI and then the next time they change it people will be mad
you're cancer
just like how when github updated to the previous design everyone hated it
we need to rewrite paper repo history to ditch the old spigot commits
md5 is beating everyone else 😦
rewrite it noballs
but the truth is design has to be constantly evolving or it'll get stale and out of date
lol mainly work for the PR's
and 100 prs broken
hey, when paper 1.16 will be available?
it is but itll change all the commits to be "commited by" whoever does it
to do it without that you'd need to write a really simple script
work tbh
once we decide to do what @slim nymph wants and dump spigot support we can start over fresh
oh, sorry, @slim nymph . btw, there is nothing about release info/dates
👏
hbguosdVklasnjdfafsgdkjlnfdgkljnoljandfgadfgjlnafdgnjlkadfgljknfadg;lknmagdf
Literally #announcements

There is no ETA.
Just replace that with 32.13.2020.
Lol
That's the point anyway.
what about paper 1.16.1?
why does gradle have so many TASKS
Z give me dev rq so i can kick demon
Lol
devs can't kick devs tho
well demote demon rq so i can kick him then
only Z can
:^)
not afaik
I also dont know ifs the server's fault realms is having problems
or just realms fault
all I saw though was just realms throwing up azure status messages
so idk if its overloaded, or there's an actual like infra problem
or just vanilla jar being dumb
dont know that theyve really said much about it
paper realms when
Jeez, I forgot what the update day hysteria was like lol
the day is still young
I just want paper 1.17
although gradle's wrapper or whatever is weird I really like how gradle works
Who cares about the nether? I’m all about the snowier snow
@tall goblet please read #724929044105265153
Oh tru tru
@tall goblet please read #724929044105265153
@austere ivy Oh sorry
haha my server definitely runs slower on vanilla than paper
@stiff yarrow https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/official-mcmmo-original-author-returns.64348/
This is one of your projects, correct? if so, please DM me, I figured out a way to get it for free, and Would like to notify you about it.
oh no!
free 
Oh no

it clearly says "author: nossr50"
@fast summit it’s open source, you can compile it if you want
mcmmo? free? nooo 
oh man, a way to get open source projects for free?
@fast summit he leaks it himself on blackspigot
soo... it's open source but costs 15 usd
wait really
I paid for the convenience of not compiling it
yes
nossr do u leak mcmmo on blackspigot? 
It costs $15 for the convenience of having support and it compiled for you
yes
If you don't wan, then don't
no he actually does
.g mcmmo blackspigot
he leaks it himself
well.
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should have a
in the #724929044105265153 message xD
does he actually?
sorry for the confusion then, XD
yes.
I remember Terraria posting torrents for free
their reasoning was that people are going to torrent it anyway, might as well have it safe for them.
it gives access, and if they like it they will remember you leaked it yourself and that they can buy it from you
good strategy
Does anyone how to improve performance on a ARM server? Any tweaks?
I strongly dislike round pfps on github
I liked the full/square pictures better as well
ARM is largely untested area
@void void Understood
I did leak it myself but then the site was 404 for a while so I assumed it died
wow am I being bullied with kneny
nope still der
you should use arm64 if possible
cuz we like you Kenny 😂
lmao
just grab mcMMO from the paper jenkins
you should use arm64 if possible
@void void Already done Kernel is ARMv8 -> ARM64
and if you can do it then arm64 netty epoll natives
Lawl, glanced over in the Spigot Discord. Nonstop stream of people asking "is 1.16 out".
it's actually quite fine here now, also with the channel, mods and all lol
and if you can do it then arm64 netty epoll natives
@void void whats that?
I supported enough people
.mini
.proprietary
I own 14 premium plugins

Sigh, RMS
I'm conflicted over that man
He's an extremist
Really Manly Swifties
That's always bad
RMS is amazing
his ideals
the food choices he makes
:kneny:
how do I do that
u dl new jar
petition to add kneny to this server
just in case i get kicked from via version we need kneny here
press f
define indirectly supported
Damn I'm getting old
Windows Me
Released to manufacturing: June 19, 2000 (20 years ago)
if he actually did then that's a yikes ,_,
How to update
it caused his resignation from the FSF
just delete old jar
it was a big deal few months back
and add new?
@proven torrent read #announcements
Yes, but once again, #announcements
.eta
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
(just in case)
.g gradle guide
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how did I miss that, thank you
ok
but it's not yet
you were literally answered 3 times now
that should be common sense
how to take backup
Pay me $500 and I'll update your Paper JAR for you
all?
Once the update is released ofc
lmao
yes all of it
ok
Okay so just a general question for my knowledge; Spigot is a branch of Bukkit, and Paper is built on top of Spigot? Or is Spigot built on top of Bukkit, with Paper on top of Spigot?
;-;
intelli, take the shitty "jokes" elsewhere
But that answers my question thank you
CraftBukkit was OG. Spigot built on top of CB. Paper built on top of Spigot.
Gotcha okay. Thanks!
You're welcome
i.e. The "high-performance" fork of Craftbukkit
How long did getting Paper 1.15 out take?
short time
Any reason 1.16 would take much longer?
We don't know yet
saw that
We'd have to see Spigot's work first.
For all intents and purposes, Paper is waiting for an update as much as everyone else is.
lol
not sure why i was kicked, was not asking for an ETA
I was just curious why people are worried about paper taking longer this time
Here's what I said. https://i.imgur.com/WudiGFK.png
the mods are trigger happy on update day
Paper is not taking longer.
watch the fuck out
Spigot isn't out so we can't tell you anything.
longer it takes, more possibly stable it'll be
.eta
lol rite @void void
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
I understand and respect that, I was merely wondering why there is additional concern this time

can you please stop randomly throwing in the eta command, when the person clearly was told already
@carmine hinge there isn't, except by those who are uninformed
I don't believe there's much additional concern
ignore them
Not anymore than usual anyways
People always freak out on update day
I see it’s going well warriors
@waxen panther hi
love u
😳
I will
brocco and i will last forever
looks like 1.16 is mostly client side updates + new nether stuff
thats what they all say
Gotta deliver now though, I’ll put a ring on when I get back
its more than blood what unites us
hi loski
saas?
saas
saas broccolai?
yes
hot

like, most of the 'technical' section of the changelog was stuff irrelevant to servers
you clearly have no clue how anything works
Oh my
so i'd suggest you just sit and wait patiently instead of continuing this discussion
^
man i didnt know they served roasts on this server
I don't know, that's why I'm trying to learn
what a great place
This server is nothing but roasts. You just haven't been here long enough.
well the wiki page isn't going to help you learn the codebase
we got starbucks on rival
Be aware of Viper, he's furry
no he's not furry


I think we can agree he is both.
🙄
ew furry
I got banned from a server I was with micky for sending furry porn
??? 
@twin lagoon
oh, they changed redstone behavior
are you proud of it
Yo why did github turn into kidsclub?
wtf
so many people are going to hate that
watch 1.15 turn into the next 1.7/1.8/1.12 except for redstoners this time
i know some guys who like redstone a lot, they get so salty every time mojang messes with redstone
they refuse to update bc of it
redstone community isn't as pissy pantsy as the pvp community
1.16 makes more new things possible than it breaks. And you have fixes for most breakages this time.
^^
I think generally it' not bad.
imagine having to rebuild things tho
i mean, so long as mojang doesn't break the turing completeness of redstone i don't see why anyone would complain
The idiotic thing I could see people staying on 1.15 for is... zero tick farms.
grumble maybe
Rebuilding in a sandbox building game? I'm livid
paper patching dupe bugs created huge outrage already
what a world
Yeah. But a lot of it was because there's no replacement for some of the things, unfortunately.
If Mojang implemented SciCrafts moveable TE - I'm sure there'd be a lot less hate.
did they break its turing completeness?
if not...what's the problem?
ok
well, then yea
idk what anyone is complaining about
w
some ntfs weirdness?
only on windows too
Time to blame the Microsoft buyout
wouldnt be surprised if it was ntfs weirdness
but uh, we did in paper and it was the quickest revert ever
jmx monitoring looks interesting
it also makes the server appear offline
i can just imagine all the people using that thinking it secures their servers under bungee
Lol... yeah
should preemptively make it a pin on the spigot forums
whoa it's miclebrick
👋
who are no table
Whoa it's mbax 👀

Should make a bot that auto responds to eta lol
no
.eta
is 1.16 vanilla server faster than 1.15?
Or, @median crane remove the space between the words and re-read.
you've got the right guy
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
@ previous discussion before moving to general
well, part of the steps I mean is... has spigot already updated to 1.16? have we finished the base modification of all files necessary for 1.16? what about bug fixes / minor improvements?
@true canyon holy fuck
i research automatic furniture placement at uni 😎
Type .eta, have a bot that just replies "No."
and what do you think is gonna happen in #announcements Vector
once
yeah for wayfair
people don't understand "no" either
the concept of "once" generally imples that it's not there yet
Any message containing when and 1.16 just gets a reply “no”
"no? No because it's out already! Yay! Where's the download link?"
the real 1.16 was the friends we made along the way
the real 1.16 were the people kicked for asking for it
fuck them friends
i would like to be fed to goblins
.kill Jai
can be arranged
rams a rocket launcher up Jai's ass and lets off a few rounds.
hahaha
The entire actual development process is public, any commits, etc, will be in #paper-github like any other release
.eat Jai
i asked to be fed to goblins
yes.
Lol ahaha
that was the goblin
we kicked you into the goblin pit
wiz is the goblin
^
it was wiz interpreting it tho jai
him kicking you is eating you
You respawned
Don't make us take another life 🔪
gotta consider your audience when you say those things
he's been on goblin feeding duty for a while now he's very good
the fact that everyone is called a retard around here makes "those things" fairly okay tbh
well preferably noone gets called that around here
except leaf
but sadly some of yall cant figure that out
leaf and i are best friends :^)
leaf is usually the one calling people it
we call each other retards all the time
playing nice isnt fun aikar
Hahaahaha
It’s their way to show love.
leaf now has the discord link bookmarked
New mappings
The throwing around of that word is one of the things that discourages me from conversing here more regularly.
any big sur issues yet Z?
why @true canyon
New mappings
client only?
nothing super related to it itself, just all the teething issues that come when they swap the UI
@true canyon I strongly dislike it. Gonna start cracking down harder as I see it more I think
good, do it demon 😛
Only big sur issue I’ve had is the fucked battery icon in settings
old apps have little rendering glitches in them, stuff doesnt look as pretty
homebrew is bork'd
But that’s probably just a placeholder
demon it's time to go back to sleep
but thats par for the course
mojang force pushed to master
:^)
i mean, to main*
@slim nymph I'm not active on discord enough 😦
nah we need demon to kick people for R word
as far as stability, first-party stuff, etc, its actually mostly fine
the new icons are really nice in some places and god awful in others
hopefully they iron that out
ive been using nothing but linux and letting my macbook sit because of the swelling battery
homebrew being bork is typical macOS release stuff, tbqh
yeah homebrew will get fixed as we get closer
oh i forgot the constant homebrew bullshit on new releases
this is standard new stuff
Is that not safe. I mean the battery lol
that's annoying
Wait so 1.16 just had a mapping change after already being released?
jfc mojang
Does this mean VV is about to break again?
only if they bumped the proto
prob prepping 1.16.1 lol
It's basically a force push
ugh no pls
Mapping change or full ninja update to patch something critical but too ashamed to bump version?

2:05 PM] modmuss50: the new 1.16 isnt the same as 1.16-rc1
so they updated 1.16 official in launcher and ONLY mappings entry changed?
he wat
they killed him
maybe they forgot the Main-Class attribute in their manifest
did they....accidentally push 1.16-rc1 as 1.16?
super embarrassing
and then realize that wasn't the real 1.16?
official is suppose to be rc1 with a protocol bump
I could've sworn lime said 1.16 -rc1 was 1.16 yesterday.
the mappings look the same
I will not use windows for patches anymore fuck tyhat shit
smth smth realms
That's not the same, that's difference.
^
im seeing wat was changed in mappings
"It is purely a crash fix in UI on the client" DB just said
Source?
places
does java have stable AOT
looks like the small mappings changes were stuff with entity selector and some nbt stuff
squints
we have private channels w/ mojang 😛
The new 1.16 is a fix for realms
md should be able to update his mappings quickly tho
i'm going to wait till 1.16.1
we have private channels w/ mojang 😛
@slim nymph which you said not to talk about :P
Aikar confirmed nda breach!
runs away
that channel isn't nda
why was i kicked?
how about you guys
don't talk about the others though
Smh my head
We have multiple different channels to mojang
like you haven't leaked it multiple times mini smh
"leaked"
That wasn't an NDA comment
We just deployed a fix for some crashes on the Realms client. For updates regarding the service, please check out @MojangStatus
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We're not breaching around which communities specifically, etc; some of them are more open to who's around
I think we have one, maybe
they have nothing to look for here
God knows
i was trying to offer a suggestion for the 1.16 ETA and someone interpretted what I did as asking? I wasn't trying to ask....
If you read
We don't need your suggestion on the matter I promise
i was offering a better solution that wouldn't take much work and might appease more people so less people have to ask
We've done this a few times before
we're not soliciting advice, you were warned to stop
Lol
if you'd like to continue arguing about it, the kick will become a ban
Anyone know of a way to essentially run 1.15.2 paper for plugins but have a 1.16 map?
Is there something similar to viaversion?
no
That's... impossible
Not quite
were posting info in announcements vector, its already part of process
Not quite impossible
we've done this every update
But too damn hard
That'd be taking all the new features of 1.16 and implementing them from scratch against 1.15 on your own, faster than Mojang can put out 1.16 and Spigot can update for it
oh did you kick him
he gone
F
Wiz good
really no need to repeat these conversations over and over
poor guy, all he wanted to do was argue and break the rules

Not more 2020 

i remember the old days you would have some super hacky spigot build that messed with protocol to somehow show new blocks but was always buggy
Carbon was fucking amazing
those were the days
.g minecraft carbon 1.9
jake!
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aw
the google bot was doing so well today with github
._.
should've put spigot into the search, i think it works better then
I think there was one for 1.7 too but it wasn't public
.g minecraft carbon spigot 1.9
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Although gradle can use maven projects as dependencies, can maven use gradle plugins as dependencies?
yeah put spigot for finding plugins i guess
yes its same system hedi
spigot added 1.8 proto support to 1.7
Someone leaked one that was getting shared around on server owner skype groups so the original creator released it for real
So, doing the whole block thing was kinda ez
gradle can also use ivy technically
was limited, however
but like, who uses ivy 
Does anyone in the dev community use ant?
Only via maven-ant-plugin
It's the only way to get somewhat full scripting inside maven
If plugins aren't available to do what you want you can just fire up some ant
kashike is involved in everything, isn't he
kashike is the minecraft nsa
It freaks me out when I join a random server and kash is up there at the top with "Project Lead" or whatever.
he has

How do you even get that well-known in an entire community?
kash gets around ;)
it's the cat pictures tbh
I thought 1.16 was comming out in november Oof
kashike isn't one person, but rather five with different assigned hours of activity and a 30 minute transitional period between shifts where they catch each other up, and detailed logs of important information
i mean if that were true he'd probably actual contribute to projects more tbh
kashike is trying to be mbaxter
I would not doubt that.
he mostly hangs around most of them and only works on a few of his own
Why Amaranth, is mbax well-known too?
Sometimes the kashike krew, as they're called, mess up and have two simultaneous conversations.
are we going to have to add another cat carrier channel
I know they moderate admincraft, I know that much.
No I have no idea who mbaxter is
😦
mbax what do you do?
If I ever see a MC modder active in another community it's more likely to be mbaxter than anyone else

Just some rando who was one of the original Bukkit contributors and has been in this community longer than some of the people here have been alive (maybe idk about the last part)
mbax are you a he or she?
not original contributor, but a contributor.
matt baxter is a cat
he's an it
mbax is an it
well, pre-Spigot
thought you were a she but wiz just called you a he 
so ur the one we have to blame for the trash that is bukkit? jkjk
You can refer to me as he, him, or kitty. To be clear I have no furry-like interests, but just like cats.
sorry viper
gotcha.
He has been around longer than me
You almost got viper excited
I personally refer to mbax as baby but that's different
You can blame me for the scoreboard api
sorry kenny
liking cats = furry
what does no table mean?
Damnit bax why'd you board the scores
no table
That we took your table
yes
We don't have tables duh
We have a large collection in private channels
I have to say it's a lot nicer not being a big part of any huge project now.
All stolen from people
what about my desk?
cough
You can keep your desk, we only want tables from special people
I don't think anyone except viper and leaf are furries here.
ya'll would enjoy playing rimworld, you get a mood debuf for eating without a table
I'm disappointed in the inconsistency of not biting the O
its not even squares
ok bro
its rounded squares

i saw it bro
which makes it even uglier
how optimized will 1.16 be
0%
No, there's no blue fire animation if you burn :/
change ur name to Prof_Bloodstone (1.16)
stares at 1.16.10
I still can't believe something with a name like https://github.com/KittehOrg/KittehIRCClientLib is the #1 most standards compliant IRCv3 library :P
whats this
shows how much people care about IRC
Vanilla 1.16 is definitely out, otherwise we wouldn't have so many new people in here
wait vanilla 1.16 is out!?!?
no way omg 
omg
for some reason my pom.xml spigot dependency isn't working.
Yeah it’s not our problem is people has a potato as PC at home
If singleplayer is significantly faster that could be because of server improvements
What communities have we got going on so far?
If every release is another community splitting pretty soon there won't be a community
1.8 for the pvpers, 1.7.10 for the mod-players, 1.12.2 for the server hosters, 1.2.5 for the people who don't like integrated servers..
why would 1.16 split the community? 
1.8 is for the autoclickers
🌮
can you not autoclick on 1.9?
1.12 or (gaining rapidly) 1.14 for the mod players
sounds like lack of braincells
1.7.10 is only if you want tekkit or something
is tekkit on 1.7.10? I thought it was 1.6.4
The primary argument for 1.8 pvp is that you can't use rapid-fire clicking, which is realistically only noticeable if you use an auto clicker.
my client performance is FAR better on 1.15.2
Someone copying u @still smelt
yeah
Do you knowif there's a spigot discord ?
1.6.4 dw20 pack was the stuff
Yeah, 1.6.4 was the last stable release of Minecraft 😛
lmfao
:kneny:
b r u h
No one would copy a picture that awful
Because it can be!
rd-20090510 was the last stable version of minecraft
Lmao
why many people entering the disc today
and people complain when I pin random stuff on MOSS
no idea whatsoever why that could be
You literally asked that earlier.
People want to ask for an ETA but are afraid to so they just idle waiting for someone else to do it
who
There are more people complaining about people asking for ETA than people asking for ETA
Google it
We have to complain about it periodically otherwise people will join who haven't seen such complaints and start asking 😛
exactly
Makes sense
Plus in my case it's less complaining and more teasing
damn look at all the people
.
more lurkers who aint gonna type a word
Ye
10k limit
the more people, the more people wiz can kick 
If they were bots, they would join at once
I think we've had close to 400-500 join since Mojang released.
Z is going to have a lot of pruning to do
maybe the bot should print out .eta for each new user
z pruned ahead of time
We can just get the limit raised, from what I've been told.
could just make you a mod @magic river and let you do it
Jannies fiX SERBER
lmao where did you dig that out of
@fresh kayak but when I wouldn't be not a table

secret channels
Or does that mean you're going to give me a table?
yeah I've shipped one to you
time to make that shipment vanish
btw 🌮 sucks, get more 🌯
you're now a dumb taco hater
🍿
burritos are less messy
here we go >.>
if you're not careful then @fallen oracle will whip out his mod application video
: ^ ]
@void void #724929044105265153
yeah glare you should share that
There is no positive to 🌮 over 🌯 unless you like to cut up your mouth
we're still looking for mods, show them how its done
I'd just want to be mod to unban everyone wiz bans
That's my application video
Kenny the anti-mod
are we just posting weird shit now
that and Glare's mod application
do you even apply for mod?
or do the project developers just plucketh thine from the notables
how do you find these templates even
CREATED BY
RENDERFOREST.COM
we pluck from active people who express interest
there is no requirement for you have any other role
we look for the most unqualified
https://owo.whats-th.is/7f9F1RH.png Alright, consistent crashing by players here. Seems we've got a crash exploit on vanilla 1.16 :')
No no no, they take your table away because you're cool, not because you'd make a good mod
was wiz expressing interest in becoming mod?
i literally just volunteered to kick people for 1.14 or 1.15 release
wonder what characters they're entering for toLowerCase to cause a crash
whichever it was at the time
@minor badge You found a bug in the JVM's unicode normalization, wow
is that just serverside? then I'd say its the servers fault for crashing their own people heh
oh, unicode in chat is a thing right
no, that's a server crash by players, kenny
I bet it's when you trying to lowercase an emoji or something
OH
so client can send unicode to the server?
Yeah
yes wiz
iirc server used to strip extra from client input
sooo yea that's a huge fucking attack surface now
f u l l u n i c o d e
You gotta submit an application and then pull a Lax for Z.
:T
Server used to kick client if it sent anything other than renderable ASCII or space
MAdmins
right
viper you do not want to see
Japanese folks had to patch it to support Shift-JIS

imagine not being able to talk in your native language
My friend sent me this today 
i guess i'll just have to fabric mod to sanitise the brigadier text before completion

lol
why is that even an API
as a c# dev: no u
viper I think you're missing the point
It’s common in a lot of other languages, some people are just used to it
Not really a big deal
Oh that code is beautiful. Disable all the plugins!
but yea disablePlugins yikes
TIL that exists
md get out of my channel
Rip this guy
Similarly, plugins calling the method that cancels all scheduled tasks by all plugins.
no
Jannies when they kick people they dont like because theyre madmins
that's bullying
no you're bullying me
It's because Java didn't have modules and module visibility so things needed to be in the same package or public


