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the server is largely written to trust plugins to do whatever
And also I think some of it was because plugins can be plugin manager/loaders
bukkit should implement OSGi
no
they can go around and clear listeners and shit too
@still smelt
its very powerful for them but obviously subject to abuse if someone wants to be an ass
even if a plugin is also a plugin loader, why would you call disablePlugins
and the lesson there would be dont install plugins that act like asses
wiz do you have ban on a macro or something
I literally can never ban people fast enough
trick is to ignore Z and don't write a ban message 
I would like to express my gratitude to all the moderators in here for your very kind volunteer work. It's genuinely appreciated by every single one of us who have the brain the kids joining lack <3
you press shift
K&R, Allman, Java (K&R variant), are very popular
shift only works for delete, not kick/ban
Yes, the "Java" style puts braces on new lines
heresy
It could be worse, you could be using GNU or Whitesmith's style
I use Allman ๐ญ
Ratliff style is my personal favorite
GNU style: ```c
static char *
concat (char *s1, char *s2)
{
while (x == y)
{
something ();
somethingelse ();
}
finalthing ();
}
hmmm
I used to write code like that
I use Allman ๐ญ
@dusk drift same
gnu should be burned
the style at least
I also used to mix tabs and spaces (tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment)
Ratliff:
concat (char *s1, char *s2) {
while (x == y) {
something ();
somethingelse ();
}
finalthing ();
}
meanwhile me kenny and mbax are playing piggy in the middle apparently
that stupid tree burning video is funny because of how bad it is
didnt even do blockstates right 
link?
.leaf
I thought about fixing it, now that its not 2am and Im not drunk
but you know, I think its better this way. funnier
Shouldn't put yourself down like that leaf
I'm fine for mixing tabs for indent and spaces for alignment after seeing it in action by gofmt but also I think I would only be okay with it if an autoformatter did it
hey wiz im getting ban appeals on ancient youtube videos :
rofl

cat banned him cuz he has a reaallllllyy long history
We killed it @void void
Some guy was complaining about being banned here on the mcmmo discord lul

lol
Aikar how's EMC going?
paper bans are infamous
i was just coming to send my own pic but you beat me to it
eleches is fucking annoying
please don't unban him
it says enough when he goes to aikar youtube videos for an unban

that's fucking gold
you didn't do it right
if you don't get what you want, just use email

mmm yes I love E-Post for Windows 10
I've emailed the guy who owns a reddit bot bc it was offline
Gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.
the spigot support email is flooded all day every day with worthless crap
Bless me with a screenshot please
having a support email

I had to send a SMS to a random guy who set up an account with an investment bank on my email address
Never got a response
lol 1.8.9 support
Whenever my server isn't working I just mail Z for support โค๏ธ
Send him taco pics and he'll respond faster.
๐ซ
I always send a fax for support requests when possible
there can only be one
"Halp I installed Paper, but it no work"
you arent the only one stef
lol
DW is the minecraft intellij plugin still maintained by you?

always has been
except the fabric fork
earth is actively PRing his changes into upstream
What's the name again?
Gotta ask, is 1.16 solid?
Searching "Minecraft" in the marketplace reveals nothing.
you don't gotta ask
1.16 is transparent
maybe you already have it installed?
I mean I didnโt play it yet
1.16 is the great unknown
1.16 is translucent
gameplay wise the new stuff is nice
I liked the old nether meh
We have zero experience with running it on busy servers
the vanilla server runs better than the old vanilla server
but that doesnt say a ton for us
inb4 spigot botches everything
well its like amaranth said as well
Okay I found it, thank you.
no ones running large numbers on teh vanilla server
The vanilla server is usually so slow you can double your perf with a couple dozen lines of patch
so githubs new layout is interesting https://i.imgur.com/Y7H734D.png
oh it's centered for you?
I can fit 3 repos on one page now ๐
huh
I like it but it doesn't work on wide windows, why is your browser that wide?
maybe it centres on very wide screens?
...that's centered?
yeah i feel like noone tested that on wide browsers
I don't see the difference what
the nav going all the way to left when main content doesnt feels wrong
yeah, stuff is all over the place now
thankfully wide github keeps it all even
wasn't working for me on IntelliJ, I reopened the menu and there it was, odd.
yeah idk why they didnt center the nav
but overall, browser windows shouldnt be maximized on ultrawide monitors
1920 is a little too wide for it to look nice, anything narrower than that it's great
youve only yourself to blame
centering is so 2019
maybe if i kick you it'll fix itself?
Oh, wow, this is really great. I don't know why I didn't try this long ago, thanks Demon.
The only part I dislike:
https://posili.me/i/2020-06-23_21-06-34.png
@still smelt it's because you smell bad so we put up a wall
lol remember when github first released that feature and it was worded something awful like "x committed with y"
Demon, how hard was it to make a plugin for IntelliJ?
Just create a user style, slap in a couple max-width's, good to go
oh
hey eta frogs, here you go https://gist.github.com/JRoy/f9098ebdfab90750b2caa50b21beb6ed
I just now figured out how much windows sucks ass
@austere ivy Creating a plugin for Intelli is very difficult
ew php
he already did that supposedly
yeah lets ddos spigot!
^
better github can just re-add it
oh, did he already
so, Intelli, what are your requirements?
Okay
yeah the remove build delay is the last 1.15 commit usually
inb4 that message is used as an excuse to ban mini from Spigot forever
mmm capitalism
mcdev represents thousands of hours of work over the course of 4+, 5+ years
really? that's crazy.
good job, that's impressive.
IDEs are harder to program for than browsers and both are basically their own OS so you have to do everything their way
when I started back in 2015 jetbrains had...no documentation anywhere on how to do anything
when I look at the shitty documentation they have now I'm just like, damn
that would have been helpful
the way I had to figure out how to do anything was dig through the source code for intellij itself and other major plugins to see how they did anything
and that was also the recommended way of learning how to do anything as well
oh reminds me I'd like to see support for adventure / kyori-text's text colours in MC dev - gotta open that issue
I'd like to say thank you to all the volunteers for providing this amazing project that I'm sure all server owners really love.
heh sounds slightly worse than making gradle plugins
so I had a healthy mix of good and awful ways of doing any one thing because there was no documentation or info on what the modern / proper / correct way of doing anything was
adventure*
^
I'd be willing to implement it but it'd probably be a bit down my list
as I've learned over time I'm a lot more comfortable in the intellij ecosystem and I know how things work better for the most part,but damn getting started was tough
there's also a jetbrains plugin slack server you can join now that didn't exist in 2015
I wish they'd port to wayland already
and before that there was a gitter server which also didn't exist back then lol
I feel like I've asked this before but how did you get into software development?
But no, they had to go and make their own widget library and make it all complicated
or Minecraft, at least
heh both community and documentation
They don't have a stable API
jetbrains makes breaking changes every version bump
they deprecate with like 2+ version notice
my plugins are normally fine with EAP, only had an issue once with the material design plugin
but lots of plugins aren't updated for a long time
Ah so it's the V8, Python, etc model
@magic river the deprecation policy and deprecation notices are relatively new
the way I had to figure out how to do anything was dig through the source code for intellij itself and other major plugins to see how they did anything
@ancient bolt this is how i make plugins wdym
this must be really infuriating
They don't just break out of nowhere unless it's something minor (the way an argument is parsed or something) or unavoidable but they also break regularly
now when I upload a new version I get an email breaking down deprecated API usages and what not
but that's all new tooling jetbrains has introduced
it used to be...you would just update your plugin and fix what broke
good on them for at least improving
I bet that's Google
Did all these improvement start around the time Android Studio became a thing?
want to get away with doing something in secret viper?
don't tell anyone you're doing it ๐
I dont know what discord's ToS is or if it applies or any of that shit
if your second account follows all the same rules I do not care
Pretty sure Discord doesn't allow you to have multiple accounts to begin with
people are gonna evade anyway, this is the internet, no one is stupid
I get that email for every plugin update and every new IDE update they release
But if you have them anyway whatever
there you go, dont tell us jack shit
and youre fine
and dont be annoying with it

no one is stupid
and youre fine


@magic river I'm not sure, I know android studio is basically totally separate but still connected
@ancient bolt guessing you don't get them for EAP builds, seems like when plugins break there they stay broken for a long time
Also I hate @fresh kayak
I talked to some jetbrains people and they told me android studio was implemented entirely through intellij's APIs and what not, I think google did it originally without working with jetbrains
but really idk
And discord's shitty tab-complete implementation
I mean I've let mcdev break on updates before just because I never got around to updating it lol
Hell until late last week the datagrip plugin didn't
are we talking about mcdev for IJ?
eta next mcdev release ๐
god i feel bad for the devs
DataGrip is an Jetbrains product, btw
I love JetBrains
yes legosi, this is a common thing on release day
we all knew it was going to happen
The plugin is basically that app embedded in one of their other IDEs
only about 20 times an hour
โ โ โ
yes legosi, this is a common thing on release day
@upper flicker im sorry to hear you get bugged that much
RIP
but fr tho kudos to yall
you guys probably don't get half the credit you deserve
spiper
# grep -R "1\.16" \#paper*/2020-06-23.log | wc -l
266
I didn't support EAP in mcdev for a while either
buiger
anyways
bukigoper
spoop
but I've set up an automated system now so I can release builds for each supported version all at once
I do all my shell stuff in vscode these days anyway, it has a shellcheck plugin
intellij has shell support built in, so the bashsupport guy created a paid bashsupport pro plugin which just adds features on top
Huh
bro i love that the new microsoft edge is a copy of chrome down to the inch and then they just copied firefox for the settings
fuckin
leech
basically as soon as shell support dropped he said "I'm not going to try to compete with jetbrains" and stopped
Doesn't IntelliJ have .ignore support now too?
But I seem to still need the plugin :/
yee
I think it's limited
JETBRAINS IS GOD
i use webstorm lmao
oh, i guess i have a coding question for the devs
Microsoft Edge is Chromium but with their own network stack, isn't it?
Do y'all use something like Visual studio code sync where you can live code
Or do you just work one at a time pulling git changes?
god damnit, teamcity still isn't working right with my nightly builds
live coding is just cancer
Then what do you use
They do some other things to it as well, they claim it either loads pages 30% faster or uses 30% less battery, I forgot which
I agree with u @golden gust but still
just use git
ah
There is no sane way to deal with working across multiple people on the same project
One person does most of the work for an update
one thing that personally triggers me is like
custom ways coding like signatures n shit
Then other people come fix all the things they skipped or broke after their eyes glazed shut
and then im like
this person has a bug in their code
what the FUCK do i use on their end to fix it
Live code 
Does it involve sending an emoji which crashes the server in the middle of a save?
jesus im fucking dumb
you mean that crash log that broc posted
Because you may or may not be able to crash the server with emoji
time to crash hypixel!
will 1.16 feature 21 max tps?
mcdev is almost up to 250k downloads now 
no. Its a very silly concurrency issue with the chunkloading
@void void if older versions allow you to send unicode you can probably reproduce there too
finally making it to the big leagues
poc
Except CraftBukkit wrapped command and chat handling in a pokemon exception handler
Gotta catch 'em all
Pika!
the fucking spartan anticheat
ignore my server namings
โ
mind giving me the details about it?
@stray oyster thx now we're getting 1.16.1
Just realized lax isn't here, so I can't say "If you want 1.16, PM lax"
LOL
PM @void void
Five thanks for the ad, as if anyone here can even join my trashcan. 
Minigame server name ideas???
is there a donation fund route for PaperMC
wtf, why is the github redisgn so shit? Oo https://i.phoenix616.dev/fRDnkSX6.png
because
yeah i don't like it
try on wide screen phoenix
do we have an idea about performance of 1.16 yet?
oh god
i don't know why the navbar is like that in comparison to the content, just a dumb choice
either make it all fixed width or don't
I mean I have a style to rever the dumb wide dashboard and header
hiding the commits is what annoys me the most
but now I have to add way more revert stuff -.-
uh
wtf
I click that a dzone times a day
Overall I like the new look
oh wait, it's on the right now
Done, thanks for all the hard work guys!
MiniDigger has 4096x1080 screen
@still smelt 3440x1440
what I don't get is why everything needs to be round again now
But yeah, they removed the commit shortlog in favor of putting the buttons for commits, branches, and tags on that line
why not?
Isn't that just a standard "gaming" 21:9 curved display?
what is that role color?
It's an admin in my server
aka more people talking about stuff they have no idea about
hello
hm
More furries :/
I think we've gotten about 300 new members today lol
299 asking for eta
weren't we at 8k like a week or 2 ago
I think when 1.16 released today we were at 8.5k or so
we were at about 9k before I culled the repo guild
pretty sure its way more than 300
that was ... last week, week before(?)
wdym culled the guild?
you can prune members who havent done anything
no roles, no activity, inactive for 30 days
ah makes sense
discord API gets weird when youre above 10k users
so Im not in a big hurry to find out just how weird
mass genocide
Truly a gamer's platform
keep the population in check or discord do poopoo
weird how its 10k
sounds like a weird number
well from a programmer standpoint
It's probably the number they picked to turn on sharding or something
well then they doing a poor job at it
Less than 10k all your users are on the same instance, more than 10k they're on multiple instances pretending to be a single one
Finally finished work 
^ I think thatโs banable
It is now.
61.1
.wa time in melbourne
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now github looks kinda acceptable again: https://i.moep.tv/fQbyjgqP.png lol
why owning a furry server can be bad
expand the last commit
at least it's not origami :P
a bit annoying that it doesn't auto show the text :S
probably going to make a full revert of the repository view but I just wanted to have something semi-usable right now, lol
intended for #the-silents lol
Don't think there is one.
we call it
Z, why aren't you in here?
"how many people can you shove in there before it all explodes"
It just decreases the quality
if someone starts streaming in there it drops to like 25 though
until the audio is impossible to recognise
after like 300 servers can go down
Z is at work bouncing meeting to meeting
how can you even have so many meetings
yes, with prejudice
10-4.
voice chatting
who would've thought
99% of people have muted their mics
if only people took that curtesy when in zoom calls for business meetings
i think kennyTV is german
he's upsidedown
ye
even germans can be upside down
hmmm
are you discussing 1.16 source code lol
Everyone is joining because of 1.16
mhm
really 
how long can it take for 1.16 to release?
Anywhere from instant to a year.
Asking for a more precise timeline will only result in tears.
oh no he asked eta
Yesterday
already kicked
@kind island donโt ask about 1.16
.eta
Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.
Korobi, how are you talking through a bot?
It's a bot...

doubt
that's what he uses to kick people with his leg got tired
Yo, wiz some imposter has come
noone can impersonate the one and only wiz
has anyone here gotten tested for the coronavirus?
did you literally ask this like 5 hrs ago
I know ppl in here that got tested and I know ppl in here that were positive
how bad was the test?
the test is fine lol
i answered you a few hours ago
don't worry about it
there are different tests
i heard they shove a giant q-tip up your nose
was going to go get tested for the hell of it, until i heard that
it doesnt hurt
I refuse to be a statistic if it's positive
you're already a statistic
Nah not if I don't get tested
a statistic of how many people there are in the world
i have never seen people behaving in voice chat like that before
Ok I'll rephrase that.. I refuse to be a covid statistic
checks statistics of how many people havent been tested
looks at chrysti
why are there so many people in voicechat ๐
Billy shutup
Please don't
๐คข
I don't want your germs on me

I didnt get tested yet because the app didnt told me to yet ๐
didnt told me to
Lolololol
lol
Corona-Warn-App
sssh cat
it's only 9pm
amaranth
cat is normally up at 5am anyway
See it's past his bed time

anyone got any pfp suggestions?
profile picture
avatar suggestions* yeah lol
admincraft 
lol
wtf is pfp?
I just started using pfp because I was typing on my phone and everyone else was calling it pfp.
Oh...
ProFile Pic
Back to avatar we go.
It's the new word kids use these days for avatar.
Anyone got a suggestion for my new avatar?
Yeah, the letters "PFP"

PFP is one hell of a drug
Yo, is Velocity > Waterfall?
why is there 50 people in vc lul

Velocity is recommended over waterfall if you're not limited to waterfall/bungee only plugins
thats a hex
leet hexor
(DiscordBot) No results.
what is it?
theres a bajillion scam websites lol
you think they take down all of them?
idk bro flip the coin
we'll see
@peak dirge do you use Flannel
It's blocked in the Greatest of Britain ๐ฌ๐ง
Viper it doesn't load ๐ฆ
literally gone over this shit before
viper thinks the internet police are ignoring his request
generally if you have to ask yourself whether you'll get banned for it, you shouldn't send it
boot da furries
idiots zzzzz
it's not a copy
literally just forwards to the actual site prob
ie mitm
are you new to the internet
Yeah yeah.
TIL there was a fallout76 tie in rum drink
and like everything else, they fucked it up
it was $80 for shitty rum with a cheap plastic case to make it look like a nuka cola bottle
and it was delayed 
fucking bethesda
he's awake
^^
that's what he wants you to think
Where ?
gn yall
it doesn't /need/ it
no
fake trent
trent fake
who trent
@twin lagoon yep, we do
idk

I don't touch kube stuff myself
TrentBrian smh
no
such a dumb feature
HOYL SHIT WHY
dont ever do that again
what the heck
did everyone else hear that?
why do people put spaces between parameters?
why does that exist
tts for the win
arguments*
its now disabled by defaul tho ๐ข
imagine having tts on
"Zed seven-hundred and fifty said L o L"
@austere ivy why do people like you complain about the dumbest shit
ew
it's nitpicky, I'll give you that, I'm just genuinely curious
nerd
its default formatting in intellij
no it's not ._.
oh right its not
that all codes field has been there for a while
I think it was only exposed now
hm
when the fuck is wizjany going to update worldedit, this is serious bullshit ๐ฆ
md69ware
He doesn't, there's no way.
what book?
is it furry manga
what are your memory allocations set to
that depends on what your XMX is set too my friend
1.16 here we come!
if you allocate 5gb of ram it will use that amount at maximum
No, it'll use that at most for the heap
not sure if you all have seen it yet
i did a few minutes ago
but what the ever loving fuck is this https://github.com/SpigotMC/BungeeCord/blob/d0fd673b60128e347fdbcab28619d12d22a4f292/chat/src/main/java/net/md_5/bungee/api/ChatColor.java
I saw
it's
amazing
the preceeding message was brought to you by SpigotMC Pty Ltd Co
california here we come
We were chatting about it in voice kashike
everything
Minecraft
whats difference between papermc and waterfall btw
so its to use a proxy on your server?
they're completely different
Waterfall forks Bungee

one is a literal MC server, with zombies and creepers
the other is a proxy for connecting to multiple backend servers
gotcha thanks
RIP server.pro and aternos
why?
1gb ram
i hate them but i don't think they're going
0.5
well hate is a strong word
I'm lazy, what's a convenient site to lookup mappings for 1.15.2 client class names? Need to investigate a crash
I read that 0.5 GB is okay for minecraft servers runs great (only tested with one player)
.g mini mapping viewer
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^
^
Not really, I don't think
^
I often just grep things like yarn, etc, for the mapped class
My PC is from 2011 and it is running minecraft great, only using 2.6 GB
1.16?
yes
wtf
@void void https://prnt.sc/t59lfm
wtf

Is there any way I can install plugins to the 1.16 version? ๐ข
or do I have to wait?
you have to wait bukko
If you've got a 1.16 CB/Spigot/Paper jar, please share it
Anyone got any avatar suggestions?
Performance @iron sleet ?
you can always try a borat one
How much FPS
furry
lol that song
@peak dirge any way to make a kubernetes networkpolicy DROP traffic?
instead of REJECT'ing it
literally can't find anything on it about on google
an std
Don't want to draw another mule
Lol rip bungeecord broke a marry plugin due to the RGB color support >.>
is this poll gdpr friendly
I guess that will be the same with spigot plugins
"I plan to get one" is not a valid answer to a yes/no question
wtf is there actually no way to do DROP rules instead of REJECT
how has no one asked about this on kubernetes stackoverflow or anything
when youre trying to get your server upgraded to reliablesite and requested a migration thing so i didnt have to transfer the files and they make you wait 5 hours after saying theyd get back with you shortly ๐
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People in the Spigot chat are crazy right now. I like it in here. Nice and calm.
Lol.
โฅ๏ธ You guys.
Calm because wiz is working overtime
Lol
holy shit so many people in vc why?
We're all playing 1.16.
ahh vanilla 1.16
No vc 1.16
whats a vanilla
It's the opposite of chocolate
thanks!
Adjacent to strawberry

Just want to say thanks to the devs!!!
Thanks for the hard work @stiff yarrow!!!!! I hope your depression ends soon, mine took me a long while ๐
holy crap why is there another join wave
They all want to know
Everyone here wants paper 1.16
1 more person till 9k
i just want paper
Z prunes the server
like a bush
Once you go over 10k it gets a bit fuck-y until discord manually approve your limit
Which can take a couple weeks
live on the edge
We pruned like 500 before Mojang released today.
Prune viper
does #9000 get a permaban as a reward?


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