yeah i guess ill ask the dev
#general
frozen jacinth
worn ember
i hope you didnt pay for it 🙂
potent fossil
he is more than likely a complete noob developer
and wont understand what the problem is
but good luck nonetheless
worn ember
no u
frozen jacinth
yeah
worn ember
simple, do you even still make plugins?
ive never seen you make anything plugin related
potent fossil
rarely
i added all the actual proper sql stuff to Guilds for glare
and im working on one atm which aint public
well it is, but im not ready to talk about it is what i mean
so you'll see soon i guess
potent fossil
it is
quasi valley
sounds very pimple
void void
frozen jacinth
meta:
==: ItemMeta
meta-type: POTION
custom-effects:
- ==: PotionEffect
effect: invisibility
duration: 60
amplifier: 1```guys i think this is itsigh
yup looks like configuration serializable to me
still should not be hand-edited
frozen jacinth
im using mouse and keyboard :/
quasi valley
quasi valley
yeets michael away
worn ember
throw the whole Michael away
twin lagoon
night stream
feral radish
waxen panther
more furries wtf wtf wtf
austere ivy
to be fair it is quite misleading that you can just “set” a value in config.yml
such as an itemstack or location
red merlin
austere ivy
a beginner developer might think that because it’s config.yml it should be human readable
if only they knew that saving configs are horribly setup and shouldn’t be done like that at all :)
yeah
vernal moth
Toml is cool
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53034930
Poland has admitted to briefly invading the Czech Republic last month in what the Polish Defence Ministry described as a "misunderstanding".
poland truly is a chad
waxen panther
didn't mean to invade u sorry bro x
quasi valley
huh toml does look interesting indeed
limber knotBOT
HOCON is nicer though
limber knotBOT
you can use json in hocon though ;)
quasi valley
ye I know :p
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i kinda wanna learn how nix syntax works and 🅱️erhaps try to find some way of using it as a config lang on the jvm
functional is kinda epic
austere ivy
can some rewrite yaml with proper comment support
limber knotBOT
.g github yaml2
(phoenix616) https://github.com/yaml/YAML2/wiki -- Home · yaml/YAML2 Wiki · GitHub: "YAML2 is the code name for an effort to revitalize the YAML serialization language. NOTE: This wiki is just getting bootstrapped. Don't be surprised..."
quasi valley
2011
limber knotBOT
well apparently no-one cares ¯_(ツ)_/¯
austere ivy
who couldve guessed
quasi valley
I hacked saving of comments in for my own purposes, works for me™️
austere ivy
You shouldn’t have to do that though
limber knotBOT
just use a library that supports it I guess
limber knotBOT
because exposing comments in the api makes stuff way more complex imo
austere ivy
limber knotBOT
best would be to just patch snakeyaml to safe comments instead of just removing them on safe I guess
austere ivy
I would like to personally speak to who decided that saving comments were against the spec
worn ember
ah yea documenting is against spec, thats nice
quasi valley
also saw some pr for that on snakeyaml once, but that didn't look very good either
austere ivy
Rewrite the freaking spec
limber knotBOT
the people who designed the spec
looks at YAML2
that's what you are looking for :P
worn ember
probably the same people tho
waxen panther
what kinda clowner-y is going on in here
limber knotBOT
the problem is that you can't really change the original spec as that would break compatibility with existing libraries
so you have to call it YAMl2
ofc the spec would just be an extenion of yaml so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
worn ember
just dont make a shitty spec to begin with
quasi valley
yes that'd be rather weird, ded
worn ember
taking my shit for a walk
limber knotBOT
you're comparing a serialization language to a configuration language; Not many specs also really require that stuff like comments persist, they're not really part of the data structure, generally
worn ember
why are there even comments if its against spec tho?
limber knotBOT
the parser is just nice enough to ignore them
afaik a file header is part of the spec
worn ember
lets yell at bukkit then for using YML as a config lang
limber knotBOT
comments just abuse that prefix iirc
Yea, file header is included iirc
well HOCON wasn't around 10 years ago
runs
worn ember
now we need bukkit2
limber knotBOT
tbh it's not too hard to use your custom config format for your plugins ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quasi valley
but only create a wiki for specs
worn ember
well i'd be fine with an entire new config implementation
limber knotBOT
I just never bothered because yaml works for what I usually need it in regerads to minecraft stuff, lol
quasi valley
yea I went away with a more or less simple parser ontop of snakeyaml
worn ember
well i just like having comments in my configs
limber knotBOT
easy: never save your config 
worn ember
so i dont need to deal with retards asking what something means or what the possible parameters are
quasi valley
also for autoupdating and inserting comments there
slender jay
We need an AntiLowIQ plugin
spice finch
This discord server would get destroyed with this plugin 
void void
woop, got arch up and running on my mbp
spice finch
Is there any site where I can download more TPS for my server?
slender jay
Download ram instead
quasi valley
mcmarket
slender jay
It will boost tps
worn ember
https://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/BIT/TPS/share-price-history you can buy it on the stock market
slender jay
Stonks
spice finch
Too expensive
worn ember
looks like TPS took a big hit recently kekw
spice finch
$4 for 1TPS is not worth
worn ember
its a one time investment
waxen panther
investing heavily in high tps for 1.16
quasi valley
MineCraft is a registered trademark of MineCraft Consulting Pty Ltd.
slender jay
No but seriously an AntiLowIQ plugin will be so nice, people get tested on first join if result is below certain threshold swing the ban hammer
quasi valley
MineCraft™️
limber knotBOT
it's also not a game
limber knotBOT
so, uh, downloadmoretps vs. downloadmoreticks as a domain name?
worn ember
but thats not part of the meme then 
limber knotBOT
that's not close to downlaodmoreram though
worn ember
downloadmoreram is a well known meme
worn ember
how much?
quasi valley
all of the tps
slender jay
Buy it have it point to papermc.io
limber knotBOT
9001
worn ember
i mean for the domain you dum fuks
slender jay
.com are usually arount $10
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Failed to fetch info (400)
limber knotBOT
already bought :P
worn ember
ok but how much was it
limber knotBOT
$9.99
worn ember
not too bad then
limber knotBOT
yeah, wouldn't have bought it for more than 10 bucks, lol
(only hat something around that on my namecheap balance, lol)
jagged rain
void void
pastel roost
open relic
pastel roost
hey !
tired heath
Ho
limber knotBOT
I mean you can edit files without lombok just as well
just, uh, your IDE will show errors I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but who uses IDEs amirite?
quasi valley
who doesn't like a bit of shiny red anyways
void void
also wtf osx gpu stuff seems to be so fucking shit
opengl does 3x more fps on linux
and vulkan as well
+300fps
tired heath
I'm asking myself, is it possible to cheat blocks/items with a custom model ID, without creative mode. Depending on the answere I have to implement a map and track of all unique item ids I use as weapon/powerups what would be a lot of overhead. 
tired heath
I hope so 😋
sick notch
quasi valley
tbf whitelist vs. blacklist is pretty oof lol.
most of these name changes actually look reasonable/fine, it's just all of these other name callers literally becoming closed-minded witch hunters themselves
sick notch
Hi, sorry i'm new here, i don't really want to disturb, i just came to know about the paper daemon, if the project was still up or something like that and, if it's still up how it's going ? Thank you very much
twin lagoon
.g paperd
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://www.allscrabblewords.com/unscramble/paperd -- Unscramble paperd | Unscramble Letters paperd | Word...: "Using the word generator and word unscrambler for the letters P A P E R D, we unscrambled the letters to create a list of all the words found in..."
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd -- PaperMC/paperd: Wrapper which allows running the ... -...: "paperd is a wrapper application which enables the PaperMC Minecraft server to be run more properly in the background as a daemon, rather than..."
twin lagoon
think demonwav still has plans for it
sick notch
Yeah, i saw last commit was on April
waxen panther
unscramble paperd pls
vernal moth
tbf whitelist vs. blacklist is pretty oof lol.
most of these name changes actually look reasonable/fine, it's just all of these other fucking name callers literally becoming closed-minded witch hunters themselves
@quasi valley but black and white list is based off of day and night :/
quasi valley
let's cancel the sun!
vernal moth
and like, there is so much stuff that references black = bad
quasi valley
other things there included black magic or white space lol
vernal moth
eg, the EU black list of tax heavens
quasi valley
heh
vernal moth
but white space has reverse meaning, clearly white space is bad!
idk, black -> dark -> scary
that has nothing to do with race, but oh well
quasi valley
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fringe fox
shut tulip
carmine zenith
barren whale
well idk then man
it's not even thermaling
your view distance may be too much
and also do you use optifine? you should
void void
feral knoll
half wing
weekend without pre-releases 
pulsar wigeon
...were you expecting mojang to put out prereleases over the weekend...?
worn ember
yes
vale lake
muted summit
half wing
no
supple lark
upper light
bitter thicket
junior current
waxen panther
limber knotBOT
lmao
finite wave
Sigh, i just looked at spigot again and the "reflection is no good" trend is still ongoing
limber knotBOT
also I don't see what's not to get about being allowed to post links to your own stuff on your own resources as much as you want?
limber knotBOT
report it then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
limber knotBOT
I've never seen one of those reports, lol
waxen panther
thinking that spigot staff care
vernal moth
well
waxen panther
tbf i think it's pretty useful. It lets you know whose plugins are shit quickly
vernal moth
its against the rule
limber knotBOT
but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ this isn't spigot so why bring drama here?
I heard they have a discord too ;)
vernal moth
I quoted the relevant paragraph of the rule
limber knotBOT
the one YOU think is relevant
limber knotBOT
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quasi valley
as much as the banner ads are annoying yeah lol
dusk drift
I emailed him one time a good while back, because he just send out a picture of someones email to him with their name and everything and I called him out on it
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only thing that stinks as much as kangarko's business practices is @waxen panther
limber knotBOT
should've reported him to the authorities, Hexed lol
waxen panther
ur stinking up all of norway
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no u
twin lagoon
kangarko is a waste of oxygen
and a walking advertisement
he's literally on the same level as mason for me
waxen panther
I think adding a toggle for 0 tick was a mistake, people are expecting future exploits to be like that now
Exploits are dumb though
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i'm kinda tempted to make a fork which i update every so often for them, it's just a git revert so no real burden 
vernal moth
lol, choco be like hell ya, adding the filter, but I dont want enforce the rule because I dont know what md thinks
spigot mods are a joke
limber knotBOT
Choco is not a resource mod
vernal moth
he got promoted
finite wave
Where are you reading this stuff barty?
vernal moth
hes a real mod now
limber knotBOT
no, he moved to forums mods
waxen panther
Yeah 0 tick is gone in 1.16, it’s looking like they’re going to be harder on exploits in the future so hopefully “tech” minecraft people will stop bitchin
twin lagoon
thank fuck for them patching it
limber knotBOT
I mean it was an embarrsing bug anyways
quasi valley
they accidentally fixed pigmen item drop behaviour in a pre, made a post about NOT fixing it in 1.16, but probably in a later version - then a bunch o youtubers made videos crying about how all their farms are 100% destroyed in 1.16 lol
limber knotBOT
"how about we use the same fucking method for random and real updates while we have two separate methods for both "
yeah that was fucking stupid
limber knotBOT
pigmen already drop gold nuggets when not angered, these farms would just be less efficient
quasi valley
sorry that was too good of an entrance 😂
limber knotBOT
(meanwhile none of my players complained for months when I accidentally (well it was billy 👀 ) disabled ALL drops from pigmen unless killed by players)
waxen panther
God forbid I have to make a new farm design when a new version comes out 
quasi valley
0/10 sticking with 1.5.2
limber knotBOT
BUT MUH looks at notes GOLD FARMS!
quasi valley
wait they're not changing in 1.16? WELL STILL YOU MAKE THE GAME WORSE EVERYTIME
void void
you know what the biggest screaming will be
pulsar wigeon
md getting payments under the table from kangarko
quasi valley
wow phoenix you sound real sassy
pulsar wigeon
void void
if paper adds an anticheat
fallen oracle
on hack:
dont
dusk drift
barty 
vernal moth
fallen oracle
Kind of reminds me of virtual graduation in google docs
vernal moth
md warned him before
dusk drift
He didnt even reply or prob see it
limber knotBOT
pretty sure that was about the advertisements inside the updates
dusk drift
He never reads the discussion page I dont think
limber knotBOT
I mean he stopped with that so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fallen oracle
"Why is my server lagging"?
dusk drift
Gosh, I'm such a technical player that I abuse a bug, am I right
deft tapir
so ik /reload is like terrible for servers with plugins and all but if it's just a vanilla server is it really all that bad
quasi valley
why would you reload a vanilla server
limber knotBOT
what would you even reload in vanilla?
deft tapir
changing server.properties or loading datapacks etc
limber knotBOT
datapacks have a separate command
deft tapir
pretty sure it's reload
golden gust
reload in vanilla and reload in bukkit are two entirely different things
twin lagoon
server.properties does not get affected by /reload
datapack reloading should be done through minecraft's reload command
quasi valley
barty it's 20, that's literally unbearable!
deft tapir
i'm not actually using a vanilla server i'm just asking cuz i'm curious lol
pulsar wigeon
dont think server.properties gets reloaded
deft tapir
aight makes sense
finite wave
Too many brackets for me
quasi valley
too much unformatted text for me
finite wave
Also indentation is a little weird for me too
tired heath
I need one instance per world, not less not more
if activated in config on another part
quasi valley
why is that synchronized
tired heath
just a template, will not hurt it
quasi valley
wat
finite wave
Can u link me to that place?
latent valve
finite wave
I'll add a fucking toggle
Oh i saw a second tnt dupe pull request which wasn't toxic
tired heath
It will run single threaded since Spigot, but if not, it would not mess up the instance part. So basically a optimised thread safe singleton, if no enum is possible
quasi valley
you don't make things synchronized if you dont have a reason to
tired heath
The creation of the instances is on start up one time and will never touch the sync block again after that
quasi valley
then why does it exist?
finite wave
Oh, well easy 100$for paper
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oh no it's a fork
tired heath
Well in my template, just used to thread safe things
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i want them to suffer for a while before i pull in any good updates to it
quasi valley
them delete your template lol
latent valve
quasi valley
sounds like you have no idea what synchronized is for
tired heath
I know what it does
quasi valley
and if you need a template for literally a single line (map.computeIfAbsent), I don't know what your doing 👀
tired heath
I have templates for class patterns
finite wave
Proxi, what u name the toggle config option?
tired heath
d fuq is normal
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exploit-fixes, jan
finite wave
God dangit
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finite wave
name it something more fun
finite wave
imaretard: true would be nicer
latent valve
RetardPaper
quasi valley
private static Map<String, Arenas> instanceRegister = new HashMap<>();
private Arenas() {
}
public static Arenas get(String worldName) {
instanceRegister.computeIfAbsent(worldName, k -> new Arenas());
}
@tired heath for the love of god, just don't
it's literally a single line and the synchronized block servers no purpose
also also doubled map lookup, and just noisy
quasi valley
hey jan let me show you the way to the dumpster
finite wave
Pls fix your code, it no work for me
quasi valley
:(
tired heath
Well I don't get the point of extra breakets or code that could be combined in one method, the approch to do it in general was the question. Not how I could make the code look nicer. 😄
quasi valley
if you don't want to learn and continue to write horrible code, sure, go ahead
but don't ask here
tired heath
Man just stop that bullshit
void void
my method is imagining my sister was reading this code
finite wave
So you won't be writing anything?
finite wave
Don't be like that dude that had a small essay as javadoc for each method
quasi valley
you mean viper?
quasi valley
heh 
void void
i mean like don't write weird ass spaghetti
wide chasm
I've seen some people turn their comments into a Java 101 tutorial
finite wave
Oh, hi stef
tired heath
Thanks for help anyways
void void
just in case they forget java
quasi valley
what do you mean, I don't have to explain what a map lookup is?
void void
nah, you have to explain how to assign a variable first
wide chasm
They literally had a comment above their package line explaining what a package is.
quasi valley
lol
void void
wat
wide chasm
Same for the imports
finite wave
I really want to do scala, but i like kotlin
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do clojure like a chad
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lisp is beauty smh
finite wave
(ban proximyst (time 40 days)) is this right?
sage kettle
@twin lagoon
there are no arguments for that whole discussion
There are, you just don't want to force your brain too much (?)
ornate spindle
my brain can't for the life of me stop reading clojure as conjure
finite wave
Dafuq u on about Mith
twin lagoon
we've already went through this
there is no discussion on offline mode vs online mode
barren whale
We were in #paper-help , @finite wave
sage kettle
no further discussion, michael's rule.
twin lagoon
if you want offline mode servers, go for it
don't be entitled and expect support
you've been told the same stuff before
sage kettle
I'm lucky some people just don't care.
finite wave
Why'd you come here and intrude
barren whale
that's gonna be my take too, but it's seriously better if you just go online
because we got kicked out
twin lagoon
people really don't care about the offline vs online debate
i'm sure there's reasons to go offline
fresh fog
finite wave
Choose whatever the fuck you want, don't come crying when someone messes up your server.
barren whale
i mena offline mode exists for a reason. This is not the reason
limber knotBOT
I mean, technically Notch didn't have any issue with people cracking minecraft 👀
twin lagoon
Choose whatever the fuck you want, don't come crying when someone messes up your server.
this
finite wave
Me?
twin lagoon
didn't you call me a tax evader 
sage kettle
do you actually help premium people on #paper-help ?
twin lagoon
yes actually
finite wave
We help everyone if we can, as long as you aren't a retard we will of course help you properly.
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michael is prolly one of the most helpful people on this server
twin lagoon
very cool proximyst
finite wave
Yes proxi is cool person
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that even so when he limits himself to premium & (mostly?) 1.15
sage kettle
idk, half the time I just saw him being borderline rude.
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we're all rude
barren whale
I don't mind older versions but I have a specific thing for 1.8
finite wave
Are you a tax evader Michael?
twin lagoon
supporting older versions makes it a bit confusing sometimes but i don't really mind supporting older versions for clients
barren whale
it makes me shiver
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ask stupid questions and we'll happily respond rudely
barren whale
that's just the toxic community
twin lagoon
it's mostly that people expect support for older versions here in #paper-help
this is paper's discord server
barren whale
it's been like this forever
twin lagoon
paper's latest version is 1.15
sage kettle
we're all rude
u'r right
some more than others.
twin lagoon
latest support version is also 1.15
haughty bear
does something like viaversion run on the latest version, then provide support backwards? or does it provide support forwards?
twin lagoon
if you want support for older versions, pay someone to support it
quasi valley
ProtocolSupport or ViaBackwards
haughty bear
so I could run 1.15.2 with viabackwards up to 1.12.2, what would it do?
finite wave
You need the dev versions i think
haughty bear
replace 1.12.2+ items with stone, right?
twin lagoon
i also do limit myself to premium servers because usually cracked servers are shady as fuck
or highly annoying
foggy elbow
latest support version is also 1.15
If minecraft would be pretty stable I would understand 100%, but currently minecraft is getting worse so it's hard to always being on latest version of the game
haughty bear
how does it handle stuff like sneaking? since there were changes there between 1.12 and 15
twin lagoon
it's not worth my time
If minecraft would be pretty stable I would understand 100%, but currently minecraft is getting worse so it's hard to always being on latest version of the game
stable =/= bad performance
unreal quarry
we're all rude
I'm not :(
barren whale
@haughty bear wouldn't that be client side?
quasi valley
billy ur bully
haughty bear
not sure
twin lagoon
out of this whole discord server billy is a legend
quasi valley
berry rood
latent valve
god update that image
twin lagoon
takes the time to explain everything nicely
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we love u billy
finite wave
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you're the nicest bean around 
twin lagoon
not so much wrong with viaversion
foggy elbow
with doors etc
fallen oracle
waxen panther
twin lagoon
fuck you @waxen panther
finite wave
Well, if you wish for a damn magic fix then don't expect something to work over all versions
waxen panther
wtf
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fuck you @twin lagoon
waxen panther
dear Michael, fuck you.
barren whale
lol wut is going on
twin lagoon
nothing
finite wave
Apparently Michael turned into a tax evader
barren whale
lol
quasi valley
warndangerous, that's literally a boolean in the config
twin lagoon
yeah and i'm borderline offensive or something
latent valve
@waxen panther should make the rolling Z eyes gif in that viaver img lol
twin lagoon
very rude
wide chasm
I hate when people turn into tax evaders
finite wave
Ikr
twin lagoon
i've gotten three legendary "insults" from cracked server owners
waxen panther
Party tonight though 
foggy elbow
If viaversion wouldn't get problems with chest/doors/fence it would be a "perfect" plugin
twin lagoon
and it's the main motivation to annoy those server owners in #paper-help
quasi valley
warndangerous, that's literally a boolean in the config
toggle it and your world shall shine
finite wave
I mean it's great for hubs
foggy elbow
people come on 1.15 servers for 1.15 things, not to play with an older version
quasi valley
oh no krusic's here
ashen cliff
Nah.
haughty bear
What if your players really really really want 1.12 ._.
And you like developing on 1.15
ashen cliff
Some people want to join with older versions due to mods.
spice finch
Meanwhile you can save 1.15 things and support older clients
foggy elbow
What if your players really really really want 1.12 ._.
they go on an old 1.12 server
twin lagoon
What if your players really really really want 1.12 ._.
And you like developing on 1.15
abandon ship
haughty bear
Hm
finite wave
Well, guess u need new players then
haughty bear
And wht if your 1.15 server is a competitor to an existing 1.12 server which has been steadily declining
stark harbor
quasi valley
1.12
void void
unreal quarry
What if your players really really really want 1.12 ._.
And you like developing on 1.15
Find new players ;)
void void
@fallen oracle what the fuck
fallen oracle
Hmm?
void void
how can i delete someone else's message
ashen cliff
Glare is slowly becoming Viper.
fallen oracle
If you have a problem with it, talk to the man behind the picture.
void void
Z
quasi valley
the eye man
haughty bear
Supports beta versions.
barren whale
immediately dies visibly
ashen cliff
ViaFabric.
fallen oracle
Yikes.
quasi valley
introducing even more hacks than md's 1.13 stuff™️
ashen cliff
ViaGMod, ViaTerraria, ViaBedrock already in the works.
limber knotBOT
also please support 1.15 plugin api on 1.8, thanks
quasi valley
some people actually come and ask if they should use 1.8 plugins on 1.15 for their 1.8 players or whatever lol
foggy elbow
https://www.spigotmc.org/attachments/upload_2019-7-10_12-10-55-png.438574/
Is there really something in viaversion config to fix that ?
latent valve
foggy elbow
I saw a forum and they said "not possible"
I don't use viaversion but can be interesting to know
quasi valley
just go and read the config? lol
ashen cliff
React with 
.
foggy elbow
Are you connecting with a 1.13/1.14 client? If yes, there's no way to fix that, its a bug with ViaVersion
latent valve
The day Kenny broke minecraft litterly cant play with half door
limber knotBOT
pretty sure it has an option for the server side block state calculation
finite wave
Eh,
foggy elbow
So thiis guy was just retarded
quasi valley
why look for the plugin's config or faq when you can go to random people's posts
foggy elbow
thanks for the solution Jan tuck, if I create a 1.8 pvp faction server I'll got the solution to allow 1.15 players
finite wave
Nono i actually looked the faq
quasi valley
yea didn't refer to you :p
at least create a 1.15 factions server and allow 1.8 players
that's the better way around
fallen oracle
Does VV update that often that it needs a command to toggle updates?
foggy elbow
at least create a 1.15 factions server and allow 1.8 players
i PreFer 1.8 PvppPpPppP
unreal quarry
I wonder how via gonna handle 1.16 3d nether biomes for 1.8 clients
runs away
ashen cliff
OldCombatMechanics.
finite wave
Hah, no nether for any 1.16 < clients
quasi valley
as with everything, approximate the hell out of everything and be done for these cucks =^]
finite wave
hey, this is a fancy tree in the nether. Nope it is netherrack
viral mulch
So there's ViaBackwards, ViaVersion, and ViaRewind?
golden gust
yes
finite wave
There is many
viral mulch
I see
twin lagoon
viafabric too
quasi valley
forward, backward, and the very scary backward
waxen panther
ViaVia
latent valve
ViaUpsideDown?
golden gust
ViaVer is the base that provides forwards support, and a bit of framework
foggy elbow
So there's ViaBackwards, ViaVersion, and ViaRewind?
if you see a server with viarewind, just run away :c
twin lagoon
it works so well
limber knotBOT
prety sure they'll just use overworld blocks for the never biomes
finite wave
golden gust
the other two basically add onto VV to provide backwards support
foggy elbow
connect with 1.8 on 1.15 server lmao
limber knotBOT
grass and leaves ahve their own nether biome colors already
quasi valley
there's also MultiConnect for fabric, that uses mixins to properly use client tracker, methods, etc.
finite wave
Old man
ashen cliff
People still do that.
golden gust
grandaddy tech
unreal quarry
Boomer
viral mulch
So are serious servers still using 1.8.8?
golden gust
yes
unreal quarry
Sadly, yes
viral mulch
Are they still using ViaVersion for that?
pulsar wigeon
depends on what you call serious :^)
quasi valley
less and less normal people
golden gust
Some do, but those are the more casual "but hypixel does it"
The more 1.8 dedicated servers, generally more for PvP, often just stick it raw
viral mulch
It's kind of sad the best way to support 1.8.8 players is by running a 1.8.8 server with ViaVersion
worn ember
i like to stick it raw tbh
golden gust
We know
quasi valley
ded noone wants to hear your sex fantasies
golden gust
that's why you're dripping
foggy elbow
The more 1.8 dedicated servers, generally more for PvP, often just stick it raw
I love when I got on mc-market and see on a plugin description "supported-version : 1.8" or "pvp-cosmic replica"
worn ember
you know for sure 😉
foggy elbow
golden gust
you /really/ should get it checked out man
viral mulch
t
worn ember
dripdick 
viral mulch
*ports all Paper patches back to TacoSpigot 1.8.8 and charges for support
golden gust
I debated doing something like that, especially as I was maintaining 1.8.8 for myself
viral mulch
But I'm actually a compotent programmer
golden gust
And then I remembered that I'd need to actually support people...
viral mulch
Yeah
Plus I don't really want to make money by charging idiots for support
I program for fun
quasi valley
just charge extra premium fees for support
worn ember
i program just to trigger people with my bad code
golden gust
You'll get less purchases
quasi valley
can relate
golden gust
But, your client base will be more entitled
worn ember
i hate it when 1.8 users requests 1.15 features 
quasi valley
that'd be the kind of people that want exploits back, yea 😂
unreal quarry
@worn ember but they need their dolphins, too
foggy elbow
i hate it when 1.8 users requests 1.15 features :KEKW:
1.8 mod to get panda in minecraft
ashen cliff
You could.
finite wave
Apparently my downloads folder is an IJ project
worn ember
if you have free plugins, you dont really need to give support cuz its like fuk u its free
viral mulch
Maybe I should just start porting random stuff to 1.8.8 just to screw with people
quasi valley
preferebly even more exploits, tech
worn ember
but if you have a premium resource you actually gotta somewhat provide support
golden gust
I actually tried to backport aikars hopper optimizations...
It worked, at some point
quasi valley
cat you traitor
golden gust
and then it just totally flopped
viral mulch
@still smelt I am using that plugin 😉
worn ember
ban cat
golden gust
I'm a firm believer that 1.8 pvp was more fun
viral mulch
@golden gust So you actually run a 1.8.8 server?
fallen oracle
Dark, my favorite is when you specifically state what you support such as online mode only and Spigot / Paper and they come in being like "Yeah I'm using some custom fork my cousin Jason made, and it's not working, you need to fix this."
golden gust
was in a pvp heavy community, which, yea...
worn ember
i mean i agree but just move on already lol
golden gust
The point of the game is to have fun
viral mulch
I still get emails about TacoSpigot
quasi valley
lol
viral mulch
Some of them are in spanish
golden gust
If people have more fun on older versions, let them run older versions 🤷♂️
worn ember
yes laggy pvp with shitty tps is much fun 🙂
lets be real, have you ever played on a pvp server without any lag?
i honestly havent
golden gust
If you even jump around in the game you feel how slughish it has got
viral mulch
The server needs a complete rewrite
quasi valley
glances at glowstone
worn ember
have fun
quasi valley
glances away
golden gust
Mojang changed stuff which changes how the whole experience feels, making it just feel like a much slower thing
viral mulch
Make Aikar the lead developer
golden gust
Given that ganking is already hard as shit, especially when you have gapples floating around...
mcMMO on top...
worn ember
you can speedrun minecraft in about 30 minutes tho lul
fallen oracle
I think the world record is like 3 minutes?
quasi valley
people apparently liked that
golden gust
we had a cooldown on them
quasi valley
we didn't
worn ember
yeah but thats not vanilla behavior
quasi valley
bedwars also isn't vanilla behaviour
worn ember
idk i never played on pvp servers, i just occasionally pvp'd in survival
quasi valley
ok
worn ember
cobalt surge
mmmmmm gapples
foggy elbow
ban this guy
finite wave
sigh
worn ember
oh its the stalker 
quasi valley
mojang seems to be trying their best to get pvp right
limber knotBOT
technically you can have more, just with more lag
finite wave
Change texture packs on the go.
quasi valley
1.16 has doubled the wall blockstate amount
ashen cliff
CaveAir and VoidAir.
quasi valley
honestly forgot if it was 1 or 5k, I think actually around 4k
cobalt surge
mmmm shrooms
quasi valley
that'd indeed be nuts
waxen panther
finite wave
Atleast proxi made it
twin lagoon
barty where is my rank on BR
quasi valley
oh apparently we're getting our corona tracing app on tuesday
twin lagoon
ew
unreal quarry
There's loot crates, tho
runs away
quasi valley
sexy
ashen cliff
Mojang:
Adds unlimited custom stuff.
Users:
Never upgrade.
Some random fork:
Fully [Async] 🗑️ 1.16 base with CUSTOM 1.17+ blocks. ONLY 800€.
finite wave
Seems legit to me, like idiots are still using 1.8 & 1.7
quasi valley
we've already started to ignore 1.8 protocol bugs in ViaVersion and ViaRewind
finite wave
Hacker
fallen oracle
Good boy
vestal jasper
Just remove 1.8 from VR and VV
Watch people review bomb your resources to 2*
quasi valley
lol
vestal jasper
I've seen it happen. Every time someone drops 1.8 support they get review bombed
cunning raft
1.8 is prob half viaver's users
ashen cliff
Good thing we don't have metrics.
vestal jasper
Every single time it reinforces my belief that a lot of the 1.8 userbase are 
children
pure barn
fallen oracle
But I mean, do reviews really matter on VV? People are going to use it either way.
vestal jasper
No lol but it's still funny
quasi valley
yeah lol I remember bastian and the os guild opening an issue to include bstats
but hell na
vestal jasper
Do you really think lashing out at me for removing support for you will convince me you're worth supporting?
fallen oracle
Just up this to 1.9 and call it a day.
cunning raft
ashen cliff
It's not like we added 1.7 support not so long ago.
vestal jasper
Lul
fallen oracle
313 commits ahead of master. Jesus
quasi valley
has been in works for about a year yeah, lol
barren whale
what is 313 commits ahead?
quasi valley
yep
finite wave
You mad?
quasi valley
and ViaBackwards will finally get its first update since 2017 on Spigot
ashen cliff
finite wave
Ah, looks fine to me krusic
pulsar wigeon
1.6.4 was clearly the best mc version for modded
fallen oracle
Not bad
pulsar wigeon
that's when WE first got forge support :^)
worn ember
wut
vestal jasper
Ur brain is lacky
fallen oracle
Ahh, now I see how you guys always are ready to update day 1, you just track the version numbers with the prereleases
finite wave
But, it runs great
worn ember
ig
finite wave
If you filter out all the issues
worn ember
mostly stuff with chunk borders and multiblocks
quasi valley
yea protocol translation is already 100% set and done for the pre's
hopefully a day early even :D
quasi valley
Burger/Hamburglar/Vitrine by pokechu22 to quickly visualize packet diff or new items, blocks, and tags
else I have a bunch of scripts to search for updates, generate our VV mappings file and the burger mappings
worn ember
can we all agree that creative cloud is the most annoying software in existance?
finite wave
Isn't that adobe?
worn ember
yes
ashen cliff
Never used it. 🏴☠️
upper flicker
yes we can agree
quasi valley
oh yeah saying goodbye to lombok was great
upper flicker
its pretty much malware
quasi valley
threw that out of VB, then VV pretty soon after
pulsar wigeon
i don't even use creative cloud but gd do you know how hard it is do disable adobe reader's drm shit
worn ember
yeah, its very invasive and keeps reminding you 20 times an hour that htere are updates
pulsar wigeon
constant update checks
fallen oracle
Wow. So the first snapshot was all the way back in Feb 5th that you guys started tracking. That's pretty cool.
worn ember
yeah god its so annoying
cunning raft
i pay for CC but i remove the drm
first of all makes the apps like 5x faster, second it removes all the spy shit
worn ember
i dont pay for CC
vestal jasper
Let's lock people into a 2 year contract to pay for 20 programs when you want one or two and force em to pay the entire 2 years when cancelling early :D
worn ember
well i might actually, cuz its linked to my school account
so im probably paying for it anyway
finite wave
You paying for school?
finite wave
tihi
quasi valley
great, accidentally opened a 2g text file in notepad++ and now it's ripping itself
worn ember
yeah that really doesnt like opening big files
vestal jasper
Lol
ashen cliff
SublimeText3 life.
worn ember
VSCode gang
quasi valley
lol that's great michael
worn ember
how many hate comments have you gotten yet?
ashen cliff
Well actually... I also format my bible with SublimeText, just a different kind of bible:
https://posili.me/i/2020-06-14_22-38-42.png
finite wave
Fuck network
ashen cliff
Fuck Cisco.
Huawei is friend now.
worn ember
yes
minor badge
retarded plugin
fallen oracle
I chuckled.
minor badge
nobody cares abt us calling them retarded im sure
minor badge
he can suck on a massive cock
pulsar wigeon
that's offensive to vegans
twin lagoon
f u wiz
pulsar wigeon
:^)
twin lagoon
context matters
smh
i'm just waiting for that one person to create a PR on paper's github
pulsar wigeon
i don't think there's a correct context for "suck on a massive chicken"
twin lagoon
to rename the master branch
ashen cliff
Main*
finite wave
Rename to what?
fallen oracle
If anyone makes the PR, I sure hope it's miku-chan03.
finite wave
Oh i see
minor badge
tbh if you have a problem with what people eat, you've got far more problems than that lol
fallen oracle
minor badge
you know me well michael ;)
minor badge
i invited simple
minor badge
sorry he wanted to try owo services with his wife
twin lagoon
that's fucking hot
spice finch
I'm wondering if IDE HDDs master/slave naming will get changed
twin lagoon
force push
spice finch
Bruh it's not dead, I'm learning about it... Fuck polish education system
ashen cliff
You know we will.
twin lagoon
rewrite history to let newer generations know we've went through a time where internet activists were a thing
void void
"internet activists"
twin lagoon
fine
void void
more like armchair activists
worn ember
😮
twin lagoon
butthurt
ashen cliff
All they need to know is how great <religion here> is.
minor badge
what
finite wave
Why would we erase history smh
minor badge
what the fuck is an internet activist
finite wave
People are retards
twin lagoon
worn ember
they're glorified keyboard warriors
twin lagoon
basically
void void
twitter cancellers are internet activists
twin lagoon
though armchair activists is a better word for it
minor badge
sounds autistic
void void
;D
finite wave
Glorified noodle whackers
worn ember
sounds like the internet to me
void void
armchair activist is what should be more insulting
worn ember
you know theres a table element right?
twin lagoon
a wat
@magic river do you have the 4k dell xps 13
or the fhd
i'm debating between fhd or uhd
fhd has better battery life but ehh uhd is fancy
finite wave
Where is the bot that autoedits master to main
minor badge
up some butthurt's anus
worn ember
kinky
twin lagoon
oh and any complaints about the xps 13 2020?
seen mixed reviews from people but i think 90% can be fixed by not using windows & updating the bios
worn ember
talking about kinky
fallen oracle
What game is that
worn ember
dota2
fallen oracle
o
worn ember
its the new arcana
fallen oracle
I prefer the OG moba legends bang bang
magic river
I have the FHD matte version, UHD is nice but it's still ~170 DPI and I run it at 125% scale so it's pretty nice to look at
twin lagoon
fair enough
i'll probably go for the FHD aswell
anything about the battery life or any other issues?
worn ember
dota is og tho lul
twin lagoon
there were loads of complaints about thermals
worn ember
its from wc 3
magic river
I'm using Linux on it, it idles at ~40C but will jump straight to ~60C pretty much as soon as you do anything above 10% CPU usage
twin lagoon
eh
aslong as the keyboard isn't too hot to touch
and that the fans aren't spinning constantly
magic river
Battery life on Linux is decent, 10 hours of light web browsing/reading, 6-8 hours of video playback
I think you get like 2 more hours on Windows, didn't do a lot of testing though
Only problem I have I'm worried might be a hardware issue because it happened some on Windows too: the wifi signal seems to basically just be random
twin lagoon
yeaaaaaah that's what you get with killer networking
magic river
Like, while sitting stationary it just jumps all over the place and randomly drops entirely
Or at least the OS thinks it dropped, dunno if that's just because the reported signal was so bad so it gave up or if it actually dropped
twin lagoon
it's very unfortunate that they removed the ability to swap the wifi card
previous models you could just replace it
magic river
It's still a removable card
magic river
Hmm, actually maybe it was just the cover that was removable
I had to mess with it to get an antenna wire out of the way when changing the SSD
btw if you get one with the smallest SSD they ship it with a shroud that is full size but doesn't fit a full size SSD because it has a bracket to hold the smaller one