general

[magic river]

You're supposed to get a new bracket, I just got out the needle nose pliers

I think my wifi problem is mostly a linux driver issue though because while it kind of sucked on Windows I don't remember it randomly disconnecting

And on Windows you can ditch the killer drivers and firmware and just use the official intel stuff

[twin lagoon]

eh even then

killer networking

[magic river]

It's literally the same hardware, the firmware and driver are the only difference

It's just an Intel AX400 or whatever

[twin lagoon]

have you ran any virtual machines on it?

i'll likely need the ability to run 1 - 2 small windows VMs

[magic river]

AX200, rather

[twin lagoon]

performance shouldn't matter that much but still

[magic river]

I run VMs on it all the time, needed for work

[twin lagoon]

gr8

[void void]

what wifi card btw?

[magic river]

I've got a virtualbox always running and some KVMs and docker stuff as needed

[twin lagoon]

killer-networking rebranded ax200

iirc

[magic river]

@void void Intel AX200

[void void]

ah then i read correctly

[magic river]

Or whatever killer calls it since yeah, literally the same hardware

[twin lagoon]

killer's naming is stupid

[void void]

intel wifi has always been pain in ass smh

[twin lagoon]

one of the main things with the thermals of this laptop is the keyboard warmth

[magic river]

I don't even think they change the lithotype or stickers or anything on the chip

[twin lagoon]

has it ever been noticable during "heavy" work loads?

[void void]

similarly to broadcom's

[twin lagoon]

that the keyboard is slightly too hot to touch

[magic river]

Nope, haven't noticed that but I don't push it to 100% CPU for more than maybe 10 minutes at a time

[twin lagoon]

yeah i don't expect to do that either

so not an issue

[magic river]

Those measurements were after they ran tests on thermal throttling so it was maxed out for long periods

[twin lagoon]

just general school work, development / sysadmin stuff

[magic river]

That's basically the hottest it can ever get and it still wasn't bad, from the reviews I saw

Just not necessarily comfortable to leave your hands on for a long time

So if you're building Chromium or Firefox and also trying to edit some code or write a paper you might notice 😛

[twin lagoon]

i don't think i'll ever have to do that but even then yeah it would only be for a short duration

i just want something nice kek

even though i could just get a 1k lenovo laptop or something with ryzen 4th gen

[magic river]

afaik the only laptop you could say is all around better than this one is the 13" 2020 MBP

[twin lagoon]

yes

[magic river]

The others also have similar issues or different tradeoffs

But the 13" 2020 MBP with the Ice Lake i7, 1TB SSD, and 32GB RAM is like twice the price

Or at least $1000 more anyway, maybe the twice the price version was with 2TB

[magic river]

btw Killer calls this chip the AX1650 and apparently it does at least have a different PCI-ID because lspci shows it as that instead of as an Intel AX200

[void void]

boooo

[naive orchid]

would it be ok to dump some potentially dumb thoughts here, about multiplayer Minecraft as a whole, on a technical level?

[minor badge]

you will be scolded for it but yes

[finite wave]

We will insult you if you are retarded ^^

[cosmic raft]

ok

what should I eat

[naive orchid]

cool thats what i expect

[cosmic raft]

mcdonalds, pizza, subway, popeyes (never had somehting here)

[minor badge]

never heard of popeyes so that's a winner

[finite wave]

One of each

[naive orchid]

cook? 🙂

[void void]

Guys what would you recommend to make my survival more interesting

?

[finite wave]

Plugins

[void void]

No way

Cubic chunks mod

Bruh

[minor badge]

random /nukes (Essentials)

[cosmic raft]

https://popeyeschicken.ca/ @minor badge

[finite wave]

Oh, get some seafood

[minor badge]

sounds like a winner, kash

[cosmic raft]

no seafood lol

but at the same time

never had anything from there, not sure if i will like it

[viral mulch]

chicken rocks

[void void]

Which plugin could I use to make a specific rank get pre-cooked minerals when breaking them?

(For free bruh)

[finite wave]

Make one

[void void]

Omg yes

So easy

[magic river]

Looks like no one ever wired up a getDrops to BlockBreakEvent

Even though iirc that should be somewhat trivial since like 1.13

[finite wave]

Doesn't the block give you the drops?

[magic river]

Before that the drops were calculated in the code that removes the block and the event happens before that but now internally the server has an API to get what the drops should be for a given tool and/or player

[minor badge]

noo, people expecting much for free of people? pfff

[magic river]

Oh there is a BlockDropItemEvent

You can listen for that, modify the list from getItems() to replace raw stuff with cooked stuff, and bam

It's a pretty trivial plugin, I just did most of the work by finding what event to use 😛

[waxen crest]

anyone have idea how to allow players to break End frame?

[magic river]

After that it's just a giant mapping of raw->cooked you have to write out by hand

Does BlockDamageEvent fire for hitting end frames? If so listen for that and remove the block

[cedar spade]

imagine a world where you could make stuff for free without people deciding they're entitled to free 24/7 perpetual support

that would be cool

[magic river]

Otherwise you have to listen for arm swings, ray trace to see if they're looking at an end frame, and remove what they're looking at

[finite wave]

End frame is unbreakable aren't they?

[minor badge]

theres some option for unbreakable blocks

but that includes shit like bedrock

[magic river]

I don't remember if that's still represented as a block with an impossible to reach damage requirement or not

If so you'd think the damage event would still happen

[finite wave]

I mean https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/event/player/PlayerInteractEvent.html#getClickedBlock--

[magic river]

Yeah, that might work too, assuming the client and/or server actually agree you can click an end frame

Which I guess they do since you can right click them

[finite wave]

It also fires on left click iirc, and it fires on both hands iirc

[minor badge]

https://owo.whats-th.is/7DDpTPK.png ah yes, just 32k lines of diff to look thru for the zero tick patch

[magic river]

Sure but iirc it doesn't fire for cases where the client thinks it can't do anything with a block

[finite wave]

Gl proxi

[magic river]

Instead you just get an arm swing packet which is also interact event but with no clicked block

Unless someone made it ray trace to always provide the clicked block, I haven't looked at that code in a long time

[finite wave]

Well let's have the m8 try and let us know

[minor badge]

just dumped the json ones, now it's at least somewhat better

just 18k left

[magic river]

So, order of things to try: BlockDamageEvent, PlayerInteractEvent.getClickedBlock(), PlayerInteractEvent and ray trace to get the block they're looking at

One of those will guarantee you get an event that lets you know when a player left clicked an end frame block and then you can just delete the block

[finite wave]

@waxen crest U heard it?

[red imp]

Lol guys why when I use random teleport to End* than my proxy crashes? 😄 there're no errors

[finite wave]

Good question

[red imp]

Oh I understand now, I named the command alias /end and /end is also bungee command 😅 Sorry for stupid question.

[void void]

nice

[spice finch]

Lmao

[limber knot]

lol

[red imp]

but how should I name this alias :/

[spice finch]

endrtp

endtp

[finite wave]

Just disable proxy end command

[spice finch]

tpend

[finite wave]

Easy

[red imp]

yeah good idea. I though about disabling proxy end command, but maybe I should use it sometimes, you don't never know

[void void]

if you add end into disabled_commands in proxy config, then you can still use it from the console

[red imp]

yeah but from console I could normally use restart button, it's good to restart proxy from the game probably

[void void]

restart button does end command btw ;)

[red imp]

oh 😄 even

[finite wave]

So, yeah just plop it into the disabled commands

[worn ember]

@finite wave ur disabled

[void void]

ded said the d word

mooooooooooooooods

[worn ember]

[pulsar wigeon]

ded is the d word

[worn ember]

ur the r word

[pulsar wigeon]

dont forget mikro is the m word

[finite wave]

Ban this retard thx

[worn ember]

that'd be bashing minorities smh

[void void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594975301604212745/721371452926066718/unknown.png

so ded

[worn ember]

[void void]

No guys fr

[void void]

I need a plugin that makes a specific group get a cooked mineral when mined

[limber knot]

just find a plugin that auto cooks minerals, then only give a certain group the perms for that

[void void]

That. Is. What. Im. Looking. For

Bruh

[naive orchid]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M7wne34R5JHo2EFK-ktjQaTM8kc-hSf1rsVIqgH6SBE

[void void]

okay I found one nvm

[magic river]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/autosmelt.9499/

That was... not hard to find

[void void]

ok nvm the one I found was 1.8

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/autosmelt.9499/
@magic river version?

[magic river]

I don't know or care, I'm not using it 😛

[void void]

its 1.12

[minor badge]

what does it matter

[void void]

Im on 1.15

[minor badge]

did they add a new ore between 1.12 and 1.15 i dont know about?

[void void]

all reviews say do not use past 1.12

._.

Thats why

[magic river]

So find another one, update that one, write your own, or pay something to do one of those last two

[minor badge]

test

it

[magic river]

That plugin looks like it isn't using the BlockDropItemEvent, it's doing it all old school

So it probably broke due to messing with things in ways other plugins don't expect or because of NMS changes

[finite wave]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/auto-smelt.71576/

[potent fossil]

I don't believe it ever had Ruby ore. It was discuss and got close but was denied in favor of emerald

So unless I'm from an alternative timeline...

[void void]

Thanks Jan

[minor badge]

its never officially had ruby

[void void]

They never added ruby

[potent fossil]

Yeah, thanks. So viper is just retarded.

I thought maybe I was losing my mind.

[minor badge]

are u talking abt some modpack lol

[naive orchid]

sounds like tekkit

[potent fossil]

Viper none of this is vanilla whatsoever at all

[finite wave]

Before redstone it was named gears or smth

iirc

[potent fossil]

Please stfu

[pulsar wigeon]

i do

[potent fossil]

Do you remember when rubies were in the game wiz :)

[finite wave]

.g minecraft ruby vanilla

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Ruby -- Ruby | Minecraft Wiki | Fandom: "May 7, 2020 ... Rubies were originally planned to be added as part of Minecraft Java Edition 1.3 as a currency..."

[pulsar wigeon]

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Gear

[vernal moth]

Corona is officly over

[potent fossil]

I remember them being discussed and then decided against

[vernal moth]

My sbisha bar reopened

😍

[magic river]

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_unused_features#Ruby

[potent fossil]

that's nice mini

[limber knot]

3just get your own one? more bars are cheap anyways, lol

*most

[minor badge]

werent you a toddler when mc was in indev, viper

not that youve grown much either but..

[vernal moth]

Phoneix, I do have one

But this place is my second home

[magic river]

No version of MC you could ever actually download had rubies, afaik

[vernal moth]

In summer I normally am here every evening

[potent fossil]

But he remembers playing it with rubies. Obviously we're wrong

Viper is correct.

[limber knot]

well all bars around me just use cheap coals and are basically just there for money laundering, lol

[potent fossil]

Mc had rubies in it and he used them

[vernal moth]

No this place is legit

[void void]

juice

[vernal moth]

I know the owner for years

[naive orchid]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory

[finite wave]

Viper is a big false memory.

[void void]

WHERE IS MY JOICE BOX!!

[unreal quarry]

Rubies used to be in the default texture pack, but no item associated with it, iirc

[finite wave]

Yes Billy

That is stated in my link

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Steve -- Black Steve | Minecraft Wiki | Fandom: "Black Steve was a non-hostile passive human mob that was originally a mob in the Indev phase..."

[vernal moth]

Wasn't Ruby supposed to be emeralds

But never used cause red and redstone

[finite wave]

No, Emeralds were supposed to be rubies.

[magic river]

Oh yeah, back when Notch hired an artist and he tried to make the game weeb 😛

[minor badge]

nobody

fucking

cares

[finite wave]

Hmm, this viper person is annoying.

[pulsar wigeon]

you just realized/

took you like a whole day of being back

[finite wave]

Yes, i found his stupidity a little fun at the start.

[worn ember]

i liked it better when he was banned

[minor badge]

what about my stupidity

[finite wave]

Makes you cute of course Proxi

[minor badge]

hehe you have a vivid imagination in that case

[unreal quarry]

That is stated in my link
Ah, didn't see the link. Just saw amaranth say they weren't in the game ever ;)

[worn ember]

you got any more thanos d to slide in my dm's?

[finite wave]

Hah, no, i can find some if you want more though

[worn ember]

im good

[finite wave]

No

[unreal quarry]

my favorite "hidden" gems in the game to this day are giants and illusioners. I've enabled both in purpur to be natural spawning entities, and everyone loves to hate them ^_^

[fallen oracle]

What's an illusioner

[unreal quarry]

a pillager that mojang never released

[fallen oracle]

Ahh

[unreal quarry]

.g minecraft illusioner

[limber knot]

I always thought they were part of mansions, lol

(DiscordBot) https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Illusioner -- Illusioner – Official Minecraft Wiki: "An illusioner is an unused illager that casts spells and is armed with a bow. The spell is used on itself for defense or on a player while it is..."

[worn ember]

is that a picture of wiz?

looks like a wizard to me

[minor badge]

do you CapiTaLise every syllable or smth

[fallen oracle]

Oh that's interesting.

[austere ivy]

Your MoTher

[finite wave]

You dum dum

[fallen oracle]

Giants are the giant zombies, right?

[minor badge]

yes, glare

[fallen oracle]

And you have those naturally spawn? That's scary lol

[minor badge]

fuckload of damage tho afaik

[finite wave]

I thought they had no ai

[unreal quarry]

yes

[fallen oracle]

😮

[unreal quarry]

but its a bit weird, because they're so big. you're inside their head, so have to go 3rd person view to see

[worn ember]

what about the annoying night flying thingies

that come if u dont sleep

[minor badge]

phantoms, darkeye

[vestal jasper]

Imagine a plugin that turns you into a giant

[minor badge]

goat dupe when

[vestal jasper]

Since you're inside the giant you could plausibly trick the player into thinking they are the giant

[finite wave]

What is going on in your head

[vestal jasper]

Do the particles still exist in the client?

[minor badge]

viper is the ideal target group for retardpaper thanks

[void void]

RIP

[finite wave]

Yeah, had some issues with it a sec too

[limber knot]

this is the paper discord, sir

[finite wave]

Paper site is working juuust fine

[vestal jasper]

Sorry upstreams aren't supported /s

[void void]

oh yea

I mean

There is no paper plugin page

[vestal jasper]

There is tho

[void void]

There is?

[vernal moth]

There is no paper plugin page
@void void yet

[void void]

link pls I didnt know

[vernal moth]

😂

[void void]

oh

[finite wave]

https://papermc.io/forums/

[vestal jasper]

https://papermc.io/forums/c/plugin-releases

[minor badge]

@ornate spindle guess u were right on needing to make it more known

[vestal jasper]

That being said a proper plugin repo like ore would be nice

👀

[fallen oracle]

Soon ™️

[potent fossil]

stop teasing

[void void]

[minor badge]

sounds like a songoda plugin

[vestal jasper]

[potent fossil]

that is literally a songoda plugin

you wont find that on spigot either

[minor badge]

woa it isnt actually

[finite wave]

Go build it https://github.com/iSach/UltraCosmetics

[potent fossil]

does songoda not have a plugin that is named exactly that

[minor badge]

songoda does Epic* right

[potent fossil]

they have Ultra too :))

afaik

[unreal quarry]

a proper plugin repo like ore would be nice
I still think GH releases is the best option for open source projects (literally the only thing Paper allows to be posted). No need to recreate the wheel, imho 😉 Just think about it. GH has a front page for a basic description/rundown of the project (readme.md), it has a wiki for more advanced/detailed descriptions, the releases tab for hosted versioned downloads, issue tracker, source, etc etc. Literally everything a project needs..

[minor badge]

probably

[vestal jasper]

Any plugin that begins with "Ultra", "Epic", or "Ultimate" deserves to be avoided based on the name alone.

[minor badge]

dunno if viper is much better

[finite wave]

Anything made by Viper is named EpicUltimateUltraPlugin

[fallen sleet]

joeytherogan

[finite wave]

Lel

[potent fossil]

why? does songoda exhibit to you some level of professionalism?

[void void]

What the fuck is songoda

[potent fossil]

all it exhibits to be is they got a decent web designer to make their page design

beyond that, absolute utter fucking trash.

run by some absolute utter fucking trash

[unkempt ridge]

doesn't mcmmo release on songoda, what's wrong with it? idgi

[potent fossil]

i dont like the person who runs it

[minor badge]

owner threatens people w selfharming to get her way

[potent fossil]

yes

[twin lagoon]

brianna is very controversial

[unkempt ridge]

yikes

[potent fossil]

sends nudes to make reparations, afaik billy has gotten them

[twin lagoon]

their discord is also full of censorship

[potent fossil]

she has offered me money to retract statements ive made

[twin lagoon]

even her discord's ex-staff members can confirm all claims

[potent fossil]

she is banned from spigot for being a PoS there

[twin lagoon]

and that gnarly things have happened

[potent fossil]

hence why songoda's site even exists

so yea its kinda like

hotel? trivago. songoda? 🤢

[neat smelt]

for example?

[potent fossil]

im premium on MCM but have never posted there, i just read the utter drama and scams and then remember why i never use it

[neat smelt]

xd

[potent fossil]

"try beerspigot, my spigot fork that adds nothing but im going to say it adds stuff so you buy it from me btw no support lol"

[finite wave]

Why is this man hosting paper jars

[potent fossil]

someone buys beerspigot, it breaks, they come to paper and ask for help and get told to fuck off

@finite wave :))))))))))))

TRASH

[neat smelt]

thank you, your beerspigot solved all my lag

+rep

would reccomend

[potent fossil]

there are legitimately people who have bought that dude's "top tier pvp spigot" called ElapsedSpigot

for a few fucking grand a pop

??

[finite wave]

What a weirdo, making their own permission systems and not using luckperms

[potent fossil]

do you all think wiz is just some evil motherfucker? he's not, you all just act like fucking retards

[minor badge]

thank u simple

[finite wave]

Wiz is cool

[pulsar wigeon]

i'm basically a meme

[potent fossil]

acts like a retard and gets clapped

"what do u mean, i did nothing wrong"

[finite wave]

WHY DO I HAVE TO CLICK 5 times and wait for next page to load on songoda

[potent fossil]

oh well w/e, ima go buy some beer and food

adios

[void void]

gl

[finite wave]

Cya simple

[void void]

viper get clapped already

smh

idc

[finite wave]

I'll ban u

[pulsar wigeon]

using compact mode anyway

[minor badge]

its okay to be open about something to be ashamed over, viper

[finite wave]

block*

[void void]

[finite wave]

[void void]

ye imagine, all the possible things you could be

and you picked to be a furry

[finite wave]

I'm a male

[minor badge]

at least he aint italian

[finite wave]

It does,

[minor badge]

it literally does

[void void]

correct

[finite wave]

Look at proxi they are fancy cat person

[minor badge]

jan has never seen hair before

[finite wave]

Oh ,shit

[pulsar wigeon]

how the fuck did you see that avatar

and think it was a fucking cat wtf

[void void]

lmfao

[pulsar wigeon]

well, i know how

retardation

[finite wave]

Oh cat ears

I was just like,

[minor badge]

couldve been minnie mouse

[void void]

smh again with that lewd wolf pfp

damn furries

🤢

🤮

[finite wave]

Viper turned furry

[minor badge]

nothin new

[vernal moth]

✝️
@still smelt pls

This is a Muslim discord server

[finite wave]

How can one be furry and christian at once.

[vernal moth]

Keep that christian shit out of here

Jk

All religions suck equally

[finite wave]

Weirdo

[vernal moth]

I don't discriminate in hating on relegions

[finite wave]

All religions are the same to me

wtf

sigh

[vernal moth]

Am expert

Ask me

Am expert on everything

[minor badge]

we all know very well that brai- believers are not experts

[vernal moth]

Am German, I know everything about Jews

I heard they like showers

[finite wave]

Oh god.

[vernal moth]

Das no jokes

Das historical fact

[minor badge]

juat dont do it

[finite wave]

Just read the torah and u would know idiot

[vernal moth]

Why would one the read Bible?

Trump didn't, why should you? 😂

Yet he's president of what once was the most powerful country in da world

[finite wave]

Why are you here.

Go rea

d

Do it now.

[vernal moth]

Does it teach about burning witches?

I could use such skills

To deal with that redhat

[finite wave]

Isn't redhat a linux distro

[vernal moth]

Redhat is a IBM child company

Rhel is one of many products

(redhat Enterprise Linux)

[vestal jasper]

I'm a software engineer. They call me the...

[finite wave]

No

[twin lagoon]

vic go back to spigot discord

[finite wave]

Well,

[vestal jasper]

It's a feature tho /s

I allow it therefore not an exploit /s

[finite wave]

Sigh, this guy in #paper-help that is obviously messing something up.

Proxi were you looking for who addded the 0 tick thing?

[limber knot]

just look at the PR comments?

[willow juniper]

https://twitter.com/Una/status/1271180494944829441

Una Kravets 👩🏻‍💻 (@Una)

For what it’s worth, I’m super happy to rename the default branch structure of “master” to “main” and I hope we can all do this together as a community with @github leading the charge by implementing in their product moving forward 🙂

Retweets

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Likes

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will Paper do that

:DDDD

[limber knot]

lol, I hope not

[willow juniper]

I love how white people just decided whether a word does harm to blacks or not without their opinions

[limber knot]

like why the kinkshame? 👀

[finite wave]

Well, if we don't they will at some point

[willow juniper]

I suppose they are not going to change the existing repositories

it's more like a gamebreaker

[limber knot]

tbh THAT would be the point where I move away, breaking existing setups is a no go

[potent fossil]

who says it was just white people who decided that?

i think it's stupid in any case but do you have proof for that statement?

[limber knot]

(and yes, automatically setting a non-canon name for new repos is breaking setups too as all build tools and shit expect master)

[willow juniper]

i think it's stupid in any case but do you have proof for that statement?
@potent fossil no but from what I've seen, this user called Una

[limber knot]

there aren't even slave branches, lmao

[potent fossil]

i dont mind changing master/slave if it makes people feel better, BUT...with regard to git, slave is not used. It's just master.

[willow juniper]

just claimed that blacks woulud feel "isolated"

[potent fossil]

Changing that makes no sense.

[willow juniper]

but she's white, in fact

[magic river]

Those build tools are broken then

You can name HEAD whatever you want

It's just convention that it gets named master

[willow juniper]

and the GitHub CEO, who said it's going to change, is also white

[pulsar wigeon]

holy FUK

[willow juniper]

I suppose

[limber knot]

also "master" existed before modern slavery (a master of his profession) so wtf

[pulsar wigeon]

are we doing this conversation again

[limber knot]

how about we rename the masters degree too?!?

[potent fossil]

inb4 hardcoded if (HEAD == master) return

yes wiz naturally

[willow juniper]

are we doing this conversation again
@pulsar wigeon oh sorry, not intended to start this off ;-;

[potent fossil]

lol

[pulsar wigeon]

don't ping me

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi8iu9NpMGU

[willow juniper]

yeah you right

[finite wave]

Sigh why can't people just leave the damn language alone

[willow juniper]

i should probably just leave it aside

and focus on programming

pretty sure since the git default branch is master, for some tools like BuildTools

oh

[limber knot]

just decentralize your shit! use the blockchain and you will never have a master or slave ever again

[finite wave]

Oh, i won't have a slave?

[shell vine]

i think we should just assume its bdsm related instead of american history

[willow juniper]

technically not wrong

[finite wave]

I get emails occasionally by people who want me to become their sub

[limber knot]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[potent fossil]

idk, it is true that slavery is still a very real problem in the world so i have no issue with changing that terminology when paired like that but just the word 'master' has no actual negative connotations and in the context of git there is a master branch and there are no slave branches. it doesn't even use that terminology.

master/slave literally refers to an arch in which a master proc controls many slave procs. parent/child is the same, boss/worker is the same...

but git's reference is just 'master'. so i don't get this one whatsoever. and what are they gonna do?? get git itself to change from master to main?

[shell vine]

[limber knot]

please don't use parent/child, I always feel bad when I kill child processes

[unreal quarry]

fucking snowflakes just need to grow the hell up lol

[willow juniper]

whatsoever. and what are they gonna do?? get git itself to change from master to main?
I think that's what the GitHub CEO said

[shell vine]

mcmmo be like: killing orphans

[potent fossil]

Nat does not have 100% control over Git

[willow juniper]

no

GitHub

[potent fossil]

He just runs GitHub.

[magic river]

You don't kill orphans, you reap orphans

[potent fossil]

Yeah, that's my point. What are they going to do?

[willow juniper]

yeah so at least he would start this off with GitHub

[potent fossil]

Force Git to change?

Unlikely.

[willow juniper]

like the new repo created from GitHub websites have main instead of master

probably

[magic river]

orphans aren't even something you can kill, you're just weeding your garden 😛

[potent fossil]

mugicon... i dont know very many real developers that initialize their repos from GitHub.com.

[limber knot]

just use master and sub ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[potent fossil]

we do it on our PC and push to the remote.

They have to fucking change how Git itself works.

[willow juniper]

I don't

I don't think major does

[magic river]

If git treated master and main/primary as synonyms unless both existed I'd be 100% okay with making this change tomorrow

[willow juniper]

but that's at least what nat is most likely going to do

[shell vine]

we are now changing master to daddy

[potent fossil]

yeah that's my point as well amaranth, they are not synonymous terms

[magic river]

Otherwise I'm going to have to make sure my CI/CD pipelines work correctly and retrain my fingers to type the right commands

So give me a week

[potent fossil]

yup, i type git push origin master sometimes even when on a topic branch then audibly say "D'oh" and fix it.

so, this will take me some time

[magic river]

master as anything other than a synonym for primary is the wrong interpretation of what git is doing

[void void]

damn this topic is still going on

[magic river]

It's just the default branch, it only has meaning because you say it does but the way it gets used is as your primary branch everything gets compared to and merged in to

[willow juniper]

I thought changing the default branch name would also lead to some issues with pull requests

[magic river]

Nah

Ah, there we go, they could call it base instead of master

[void void]

eh i'd probably just say fuck you and close the issue

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[celest coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/265998661606047744/721854300439183380/c79152e2fd08ba173e9406f0403beade.png

[void void]

wtf

[magic river]

[potent fossil]

Amaranth we need to talk

What the FUCK is that emoji

[void void]

thats never a good sign

[magic river]

[void void]

you've been on some strange discord servers then

[potent fossil]

.g pause cartoon horse

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elv14ELPWWg -- How to Draw a Horse / Pony (Cartoon) - YouTube: "Mar 18, 2017 ... This is a simplified cartoon version of a Horse or Pony. ... tutorial and don't forget to PAUSE the video after each step to draw at..."

[potent fossil]

furries.

[magic river]

no

[potent fossil]

back to drinking my kombucha and watching youtube

[void void]

kombucha?

[potent fossil]

yes

[magic river]

https://n3rdfusion.tv/personality/pauseunpause

[potent fossil]

.g kombucha

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kombucha -- Kombucha - Wikipedia: "Kombucha is a fermented, slightly alcoholic, lightly effervescent, sweetened black or green tea drink commonly consumed for its supposed health..."

[void void]

intersting

i drink 3 liquids

[potent fossil]

i dont know what other health benefits it has, but i know for a fact it helps my digestion, it's highly probiotic

so that's my main reason

[void void]

water, tea and milk

[magic river]

More specifically https://n3rdfusion.tv/emotes/pauseunpause

[void void]

thats all i drink

[potent fossil]

kombucha is tea with probiotics essentially

they drop a mushroom in there and let it ferment, then take it out and filter it

and boom kombucha

yes

[void void]

wat

[potent fossil]

thats what a probiotic is, bacteria

[void void]

few

[magic river]

https://thenewstack.io/microsoft-rust-is-the-industrys-best-chance-at-safe-systems-programming/

[potent fossil]

i really need to start using rust

i've read the book 3 times

just never fucking used it

[magic river]

I bought that book, never opened it

[potent fossil]

its free tho?

[void void]

wtf they're making rust sounds like magic

[magic river]

I use it to prop my laptop up so I can see it from my bed

[void void]

is that not the proper use for books

[magic river]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1718500440/

[potent fossil]

lul

idk if they're the same but i was talking about this one https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/

ah, it must be the same idk

[magic river]

I got one from the original printing, it's outdated now 😛

It's the same book

[potent fossil]

aha

gotcha

[magic river]

I just got one to support the writers

git should have copied mercurial and named the default branch "default" 😄

[limber knot]

linus is into bdsm confirmed! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[unreal quarry]

i just read flagisallus as fergalicious

unplugs and goes home

[knotty nebula]

What do you guys think is the best sql to use for a server? I've heard there are better options than mysql

[magic river]

postgresql is the most proper, stable one

It can be a pain to do updates on though, you have to shut down while updating the DB for a new version

[knotty nebula]

how often are those updates and are they necessary?

[magic river]

They are if you want new features and security updates

And you only have to do the migration on major version bumps

There are one of those every year, each one is supported for 5 years

So you could wait 5 years and skip a few

You can technically do an online migration if you setup a cluster with one on new and one on old

mariadb is just mysql with a different name

I mean, they've diverged to the point that I don't think their disk formats are compatible anymore but they still have the same advantages and disadvantages

[potent fossil]

"what is best" conversations are highly subjective at best and simply opinion-based at worst

learning to think for yourself is a great skill

[magic river]

mysql/mariadb are the easiest, postgresql is the most robust, they're going to have somewhat similar performance unless you're a DBA

[potent fossil]

ah yes, and am i to take that you are the SME here @void void

my bad, then ofc PGSQL is the best

wut

uh

i literally only said that it's a subjective conversation, what does my knowledge of BIS have to do with this?

and if we're going there, the choice of SQL in that sector is almost entirely MSSQL.

it is.

[magic river]

Don't make me do BIS

Please, I'll be good

[potent fossil]

It's either MSSQL or some OLTP provider for data warehousing usually unless they are Cool and Hip ™️ company

wtf i3

why does it keep fucking opening my shit in tabbed view

i must be hitting some keystroke im not aware of

it's not a tabbed view, it's like grouping apps

[magic river]

I got in an argument with someone on Reddit about who invented SQL until a third person pointed out the other guy probably meant SQL Server because that's all they know exists

[potent fossil]

there are a lot of people who only know about SQL Server because that's all they've experienced working in a corp env

[magic river]

I was citing the original paper on relational algebra and shit and they're some BIS dork who doesn't know what a database even is 😛

[potent fossil]

thankfully I've never had too much interaction with those guys except when i needed them to make a report for our doc system

(which, and i digress entirely, was not even my job; a coworker just called out sick)

[static badge]

BIS?

[limber knot]

So the PS5 has an SSD faster than ones that cost $200 (although slightly smaller and they probably make some tradeoffs to get slower less efficient writes but save a bunch of money) and a GPU that is like $400-500 but people think the console is going to be $399

[potent fossil]

business information systems

they do data aggregation, storage, and reporting

among other things im sure, im no expert

[limber knot]

BIS is what you are when you've upgraded from making charts in excel

[potent fossil]

limited interactions

[pulsar wigeon]

wasn't the PS3 also $600?

[magic river]

They used to just upgrade to using VB and Access but these days it's... a bit more complicated

[pulsar wigeon]

why are people surprised

[magic river]

The PS3 was widely hated and kind of flopped for the first few years because of the price

Although it was also 15 years ago so with inflation... that would be $790 today

[pulsar wigeon]

yeaaaaa

[magic river]

So yeah, $600 makes sense

Except until recently electronics were immune to inflation

They got cheaper for better faster versions

$600 today would be like if it cost $450 in 2005, to work the math backward

360 cost $400 on launch

[potent fossil]

oh my god what

ps3 was 15 yo ago

.g ps3 release year

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 -- PlayStation 3 - Wikipedia: "A Super Slim variation was then released in late 2012, further refining and redesigning the console. During its early years, the ..."

[potent fossil]

oh my god

this is giving me an existential crisis

[cosmic raft]

lol

I did not like my PS3

literally gave it away for free

[magic river]

TIL git's master comes from bitkeeper which did use it in the master/slave context but Linus thought that model was too complicated so got rid of it but kept the name

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-May/msg00066.html

[static badge]

mfw fighting over the use of master just because

how useless of a programmer do you have to be that that type of issue is on your todo list

[cunning raft]

It's 2020, context doesn't matter! Word is bad all the time!

[pulsar wigeon]

retardpaper

[neat smelt]

whats different in retardpaper?

[static badge]

jfc what a name

[cunning raft]

RetardPaper allows you to unfix duplication exploits

[neat smelt]

oof

[magic river]

On the other hand https://twitter.com/xpasky/status/1272280760280637441 says he came up with the term and that isn't where it came from

Petr Baudis (@xpasky)

@yawaramin @billygriffin22 @codervandal @natfriedman @Una @github "master" as in e.g. "master recording". Perhaps you could say the original, but viewed from the production process perspective.

A clueless Central European youngster whose command of English was mostly illusor...

Twitter

[pulsar wigeon]

just one of them

[magic river]

But he also says he wants it to change and hates the word he picked

[viral hornet]

https://i.imgur.com/qBqZmvO.png
Is this for real? Ya'll will be implementing the fix they added (then removed) regarding farms?...that they plan to refix at a later update iirc

[upper flicker]

I literally don’t care at all, but I think those running around screaming about it and calling people names over it aren’t helping

nor would the change make any significant difference in the areas they think it would

Ive no plans to go around changing my branches, but if they wanna make the defaults in GH or even git itself to be main or primary or default or whatever, so be it

[static badge]

when did this branch thing come around again

well

[cunning raft]

Today?

[static badge]

the master topic

[cunning raft]

This week

[magic river]

Yeah, it probably doesn't make much difference either way so just do it

Not worth fighting against doing it and hey, maybe it'll help somehow

[static badge]

the problem with changing the name is it's a change

[upper flicker]

tbh it just doesn’t matter that much

[static badge]

I'm used to master

[cunning raft]

But yeah I agree with Z, doesn't matter to me but this ain't changing anything in the real world

[upper flicker]

can they take this vitriol and shit and put it towards a better hash algo though?

at least that would be actually productive

[cunning raft]

It's always fucking google employees complaining about this shit tho

[magic river]

You don't like SHA3 or bcrypt?

[static badge]

just annoying to re-calculate my brain to always use a different branch for a new git repo

[upper flicker]

There is a US phenomenon, well its often called a california phenomenon, where they go ape shit politically correct and find shit to be offended about for other people

and then the europeans show up and go ‘wtf’

it’s ezpz to complain on twitter, actually making a difference is hard

[magic river]

You left out New England

[static badge]

as I said before z :>

how useless of a programmer do you have to be that that type of issue is on your todo list

[cunning raft]

Ayo New England white chicka can complain so damn hard Z

[upper flicker]

@magic river earlier comment was in regards to Git’s continued use of SHA1

[static badge]

so many things you can do to help with a project

[upper flicker]

I know they’re working on replacing it and making it modular for the future

but not there yet

[static badge]

and they decide making drama over some stupid naming is the way :>

[magic river]

Replacing the hash in git is easy, if you want a flag day 😄

[upper flicker]

BLM really benefits from a bunch of white engineers in Cali getting into twitter fights over who can be the most woke though

good work guys

[static badge]

yeah that too

[pulsar wigeon]

i think that's the worst part imo

[magic river]

Today you get to shut down your repo, run this conversion tool (that would fail on the Bukkit repo, btw), and everyone has to clone again

[static badge]

it doesn't help the project or the people it wants to help

[upper flicker]

yeah Ive seen those concerns as well, I think the end goal of making it easier to swap is good

even the migration strategy isn’t there yet

[pulsar wigeon]

they think they are actually helping the BLM movement by getting offended by any language which could with a massive stretch be considered targeted

[upper flicker]

even if* or ideal anyway

[static badge]

oh well they have time for the hashes at least

sha1 ain't fukt yet

[magic river]

It's somewhat unlikely sha1 will ever be broken for the way git uses it

[upper flicker]

yeah git’s use is still pretty solid

but long term, I think they’re on the right path by making it easier to swap

Admittedly, not as up to date on where they are with that as I used to be

[magic river]

I mean, it's somewhat trivial to generate collisions, at least for the 8 character truncated version

[static badge]

patches always store the full though?

err commits

[pulsar wigeon]

is 3561 just gonna be another 3544

[static badge]

yeah

[magic river]

But a preimage attack doesn't even exist for md5 yet afaik

[static badge]

there is a hella lot of whining over the piston dupe fixes

[cunning raft]

Just lock them z

[magic river]

And that's the minimum you need to even start to do more than DoS a git server

[cunning raft]

Pls

[static badge]

a lot more than I expected there would be tbh

[upper flicker]

You morons calling everyone retards is really not helping things

and frankly makes the project look worse

[magic river]

And yeah, git stores the whole hash it just doesn't normally show it

[cunning raft]

I was just pointing out the name of a fork

[static badge]

what'd I do

other than make the pr in the first place

[upper flicker]

it was a collective “you morons”

[magic river]

Although it will if there is ambiguity in the repo with the shorter version, it automatically adds more characters until they're unique again or it hits the full hash in which case you have an actual collision

[static badge]

look

I'm retarded

not a moron

do not mix those up

although yeah I agree with you, the reeeing back at them is pretty retarded

[magic river]

In April 2009, an attack against MD5 was published that breaks MD5's preimage resistance. This attack is only theoretical, with a computational complexity of 2^123.4 for full preimage.

[static badge]

one of the reasons I made TE's pushable in tuinity was for compensation of fixing the tnt duper

as you can now move dispensers so you can make a legit quarry

[upper flicker]

that hack is great and all but not something we can actually use

[static badge]

yeah I never had any plans to pr it

[magic river]

On 24 April 2019 a paper by Gaëtan Leurent and Thomas Peyrin presented at Eurocrypt 2019 described an enhancement to the previously best chosen-prefix attack in Merkle–Damgård–like digest functions based on Davies–Meyer block ciphers. With these improvements, this method is capable of finding chosen-prefix collisions in approximately 2^68 SHA-1 evaluations.

Yikes, looks like SHA-1 is actually more broken than MD5 😛

[static badge]

rest in peace SHA1

[upper flicker]

interesting

[magic river]

Chosen prefix is way more likely to let you do something exploity

[onyx steeple]

Hey amigos

It's been a long time since my last correspondence.

I hope all is well during this pandemic

[heady spear]

Gym check innnnnn 🏋️

[onyx steeple]

OH SNAP

Gyms are back...

[heady spear]

gsand is by far the most active moderator around

[onyx steeple]

but no way will I ever go to a gym for the next few weeks.

[magic river]

Oh, nevermind

This method is also capable of finding chosen-prefix collisions in the MD5 function, but at a complexity of 2^46

[onyx steeple]

Oh bby.

[heady spear]

I’ve been going almost daily for the last couple of months :3

[pulsar wigeon]

[viral hornet]

How? D:

[onyx steeple]

:D

[heady spear]

People socially distance at the gym anyway

[viral hornet]

uhh

[onyx steeple]

Turns out...

[heady spear]

If anyone comes close to me I’ll hit them with a dumbbell

[onyx steeple]

my aunt, uncle, and cousin got COVID.

[magic river]

So you can get a useful SHA-1 collision (rather than just random bytes) for about $50k of cloud compute power

[onyx steeple]

My uncle is 87 years old and beat it

It's a miracle.

I'm so happy he survived.

My aunt just got discharged, and my cousin is aaaalllmost out.

My aunt is 82

My cousin is 50-ish

[heady spear]

I will say, the gym has been a lot cleaner during the pandemic

So that means they actually clean this place now

[onyx steeple]

I dunno man

[heady spear]

They also didn’t let me freeze my membership

[onyx steeple]

LOL

Which shitty gym was that?

24?

[heady spear]

So like, I’m gonna get my money’s worth

[onyx steeple]

LA Fitness?

[heady spear]

Am Swedish lol

Also this place is super expensive

[onyx steeple]

There's a gym like that here

Equinox

[heady spear]

Ye. This is less classy

Just expensive af

But I live 2 minutes from the entrance

So... well... it’s extremely convenient

[viral hornet]

Were gyms not ordered to close during COVID's peak where you are?

[heady spear]

Lol no

[onyx steeple]

500 dollar initiation fee, 250-ish monthly.

[viral hornet]

😠

[heady spear]

Nothing closed except for unis and high schools

[onyx steeple]

Gyms here were forced to be closed.

[viral hornet]

Mine still isn't open

Gyms have reopened in Aus, but apparently the owner of my gym is strange and still hasn't opened for no reason

[onyx steeple]

I have a personal trainer membership, so I only pay 5 bucks.

[heady spear]

One gym chain closed down for two weeks but then they noticed no other chains followed lead so they reopened

[onyx steeple]

no way I'm cancelling.

lol

[heady spear]

I go at 5am though so there’s only 2-3 people here at that time

We basically occupy one corner each

[onyx steeple]

That's perfect then

I would go after work, so the place is jam packed.

But it's only 5 dollars a month, so whatever, lol.

[heady spear]

Ah ye. I’ve made it a habit of going in the morning, mainly because I have way more energy but also because exercising around people is horrible

[onyx steeple]

If it were 24 hours fitness or LA fitness, I'd be cancelling yesterday.

yeah

people are dirty

I love the energy of exercising in the morning.

You're at 100% until you go to sleep

[heady spear]

I should start going for runs in the forest tho, I used to be really good with that shit

[onyx steeple]

DO it

[heady spear]

But then I got lazy :\

[onyx steeple]

There's no forests here

just beaches

and parks

[heady spear]

There’s only forest here

[onyx steeple]

I live in the LA area.

[heady spear]

The entire country is just a big forest

[pulsar wigeon]

paper and have used it exclusively since they went standalone from spigot
????????? this dude thinks paper is standalone from spigot?

[onyx steeple]

Film a montage video.

So that means he's never used it.

;p

[cunning raft]

I didn't realize that this was not fixed in 1.16

[heady spear]

The problem with that is the mosquitos

They’re everywhere D:

[cunning raft]

A config option doesn't seem that bad anymore

[onyx steeple]

No mostquitos in LA.

[cunning raft]

Fuck I'm becoming mentally challenged

[heady spear]

Oh, and the pollen. I like being able to breathe

[onyx steeple]

That too

There's no excuse here

Imagine you're trying to catch pokemon.

run from pallet town to viridian city.

[heady spear]

But yeah, we have the biggest lake in the EU right next to us and there’s a bunch of rivers around, and they’re prime mosquito breeding grounds

[onyx steeple]

That sucks, man.

[heady spear]

At least they don’t carry viruses

The ticks do tho

[onyx steeple]

oh man

that's pretty scary

[heady spear]

Yeah no it doesn’t sound very appealing anymore lol

[onyx steeple]

Run in the forest, but in your mind,

While running at the gym.

[heady spear]

I mean the ticks here are way deadlier than the bears

[onyx steeple]

LOLWUT

you're messing with me, right?

[heady spear]

No

[onyx steeple]

Over here we have coyotes and possums

but they're usually dumpster diving

[heady spear]

Coyotes seem hella cool tbh

[onyx steeple]

They're pretty cool, at a distance

but you dont want to get scratched or bitten

There's always a change they all have rabies or something

[heady spear]

We have wolves, bears and bobcats. But they’ve hunting both the wolves and bobcats to extinction

[onyx steeple]

daaang, any dragons or frost giants?

[heady spear]

Wolf hunting is meant to be population control but the bobcat hunting is basically licensed trophy hunting

No, but we have super aggressive wolverines

They’re scary

No wait

Elks. They’re the scariest

[onyx steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-xmen-gif-13349268

[heady spear]

I’d rather run into a wolf than an elk

They’re too big 😦

[onyx steeple]

You must carry a knife?

[heady spear]

Good luck stabbing an angry elk

I mean they can be 2m in height and they have horns and they’re fast and they can kick you and no

They taste good tho

[austere ivy]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-alternative-term-to-avoid-slavery-references/

squints

[brave halo]

This is wild

[heady spear]

R we gonna bring this up every day now lol

[austere ivy]

was it previously posted? apologies.

[brave halo]

People are flipping out about the tnt fix

[austere ivy]

that's great.

it shouldn't exist, just like zero-ticking. it's not a fun exploit, it's a really, really dum one that really shouldn't exist.

[heady spear]

I mean I get it, I prefer technical minecraft and it’s a big part of the gameplay

[heady spear]

But if you’re running a technical community you’d use vanilla

Possibly with carpet

No self respecting technical Minecrafter would use a bukkit derivative

[prime quartz]

I mean, they're upset that there is no config option, and that they're just getting dismissed. And being called retards isn't exactly helping.

[brave halo]

TEchNiCaL mINECrAFT

Bruh it's an exploit

[viral hornet]

Yeah that name is a little rough lol

but to be expected

[brave halo]

It's going to be patched

[heady spear]

So? It’s using the mechanics that are available in the game.

[brave halo]

I'm confused however

Does the patch fix those TNT bombers

?

[heady spear]

Just accept that people may want to play the game differently than you

[brave halo]

The flying machines

[viral hornet]

Isn't the main argument that it's not patched by Mojang?

[prime quartz]

An exploit that mojang has stated they don't plan on patching it in 1.16 as they don't see a reasonable alternative yet.

[heady spear]

I don’t get why people are so bloody hostile and dismissive

Is everyone 5? Sure sounds like it

[pulsar wigeon]

counterpoint: an exploit that mojang has admitted is an exploit

[upper flicker]

because this is the internet and that’s how people behave on the internet

[heady spear]

But paper has taken a clear stance on this

[keen frost]

the retardpaper was probably not a great idea on the name. But what prevents a plugin from providing similar functionality?

it is considered an exploit, exploits are fair game to fix

[austere ivy]

this sounds like a problem with a very easy compromise. add a config option. everyone's happy.

[heady spear]

So arguing is pointless

[brave halo]

Lol

[static badge]

things get a little grey when you consider fixing some exploits

[brave halo]

Retard paper was a bad hit tbh

If they wanted to be petty

[static badge]

yeah retard paper was a dumb move

[brave halo]

They should done like

Dullpaper

[upper flicker]

Yeah they really shouldn’t have done that

[brave halo]

Or something

[upper flicker]

it only enflamed the issue

[brave halo]

Yeah

[neat smelt]

what are your toughts about OpenJ9 instead of HotSpot?

[austere ivy]

retardpaper?

[static badge]

thankfully nobody considered close to the paper project did it :>

[brave halo]

They made a fork that reverts the tnt fix

[static badge]

that would've been a big nuke

[brave halo]

Called retardpaper

[neat smelt]

retardpaper is great and the name is fitting

[heady spear]

Then again, proxy is not associated with the paper team

[keen frost]

additionally, allowing an exploit means future issues that need to be considered. By patching exploits, you effectively are reducing your maintenance surface and making a more maintainable project

[viral hornet]

not at this time
#paper-help
So there might be a config node for it? 😛

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the issue for this type of exploit of maintenance is actually none

there is no maintenance burden for a config option in this case

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my making one singular statement about it shouldn’t be read either way

we wouldn’t, uh don’t actually since we still have a few, support those issues that come up as a result of exploits anyway

so I wouldn’t consider that much of a concern

[austere ivy]

RetardPaper seems extremely useful because I want to fork Paper but I'd have no idea how to do it and this seems like an incredibly clean version of essentially Tuinity

just gonna snatch that code with a git clone don't mind if I do

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its just a fork of byof

[keen frost]

the maintenance cost is paid when you have situations which need to be handled because of another exploit. By sticking to intended and supported behavior, you reduce the chance of people doing incredibly dumb things like shooting themselves in the foot and wondering why they are bleeding

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use byof for that

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you can get a clean variant of tuinity by removing all my patches

or you can just use byof

[austere ivy]

oh

[celest coyote]

tuinity without the tuinity 🤔

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kek

[austere ivy]

this is great, thanks electronic

my braincell finds it extremely hard to understand how to fork paper for some reason so having a template is extremely useful

[prime quartz]

I personally think a config option would solve most of the issues people are having and maybe a refactor of the main page to clarify that Paper also makes gameplay changes. The only place that I can find that mentions gameplay changes is the github.

I think the issue a lot of people are having is that this is a very transparent example of gameplay changes that Paper makes, but may be under the assumption that Paper's only focus is performance. As both the FAQ and main page imply these changes wont be noticed by players.

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Paper was substantially smaller when those pages were written

[prime quartz]

Totally understandable.

[brave halo]

Here

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Frankly, no one really expected this given that other dupes, like the chunk dupe fix, went by with almost no drama or concerns

[brave halo]

This comment sums it up tbu

Tbh

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/3561#issuecomment-643895193

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Can you remove the embed logo on that

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can't server admins?

[brave halo]

Can I?

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unless ur on mobile kek

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not from mobile 🙂

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[celest coyote]

classic discord

[heady spear]

I mean this will almost certainly lead to a split in the community which is a bit unfortunate

[brave halo]

Rip

I'm sorry

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although now we’re sufficiently scrolled so I suppose it doesn’t matter

[brave halo]

I'm surprised you don't have perms

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any discord mobile devs in here, hmu Ive got some ideas for making it less awful 😉

[brave halo]

Lol

Dude

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im a discord developer

[brave halo]

The most recent update

SUCKS

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am make fork

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Folk discord when?

[prime quartz]

I personally feel as if TNT dupes enable cool contraptions that are otherwise not possible due to the limitations of vanilla Java Minecraft.

I think ultimately the best solution is up to Mojang to figure out. Moveable dispensers would be my preferred method. But, as Sliced Lime said: sand being limited and no alternative is their main pause to patch this bug.

[brave halo]

I hate this whole swipe anywhere thing

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s/the most recent/every/

Correction, <DiscordBot> <02D​ra​go​n ​🍻​> every update

[celest coyote]

just wait till paper gets movabletile entities

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I do agree with that point

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not going to happen unless leaf makes it less hacky

[celest coyote]

then all the complaints will stop

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and idk that he can

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over in my fork I made TE's pushable

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the game just straight up isn’t designed for it

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lol not gonna be possible

[pulsar wigeon]

sand being limited
just have a resettable resource world

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it's jank all the way through

now

[pulsar wigeon]

or just let people explore forever :^)

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I will probably be able to

uh

[pulsar wigeon]

world borders are for chumps

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look at

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@prime quartz I agree that better docs coming out of this situation would be a good improvement yes

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removing the set TE hacks

[heady spear]

“No name calling” “Players who sit there and abuse them then whine when they're fixed without expecting them to eventually be fixed aren't the brightest bulbs.”

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I think out of all of them the set TE hacks are the worst

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abstractly calling unnamed players dumb isn’t really what I meant

[pulsar wigeon]

that's not an ad hominem

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if they start targeting people in the thread then that’s the issue

[pulsar wigeon]

that's just pointing out behaviors

[heady spear]

It’s not very constructive tho

[pulsar wigeon]

no one cares about your opinion city

:^)

go back to the gym or whatever

[brave halo]

I'm the one who said that, his whole thing was that his playerbase was going to stop subscribing to his patreon if he lost TNT dupes