I don't think so, they are quite proactive, and probably won't add anything that is unused. (In release versions)
#general
unreal quarry
@spare venture mushroom blocks. There are many states that are unused that we like to use for new blocks using a resource pack
unreal quarry
What plugin do you use?
void void
unreal quarry
Never heard of it
void void
damn disaster
limber knotBOT
barty: a good amount of mushroom block states don't appear in vanilla
unreal quarry
Should look into ItemsAdder. Been the best one (other my than my own) I've used
limber knotBOT
wait, billy already mentione that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
just go complain about them not allowing block states?
celest coyote
why don't you fork the plugin then
pulsar wigeon
sounds like it's time to fix the island shit tbh
twin lagoon
barty they look like shit
you literally took a pickaxe top
rotated it a few degrees
limber knotBOT
have you never seen a scythe? lol
waxen panther
cute
limber knotBOT
well, main issue here is that the handle is on the wrong side, lmao
waxen panther
I like them 
finite wave
If you share expect us to yell at you
twin lagoon
@spare venture
finite wave
unless it's good.
void void
finite wave
That's quite fat, but looks nice michael
limber knotBOT
that doesn't look like minecraft at all, Michael
twin lagoon
exactly
waxen panther
minecraft is for nerds lol!
limber knotBOT
but yeah, you should really flip the handle on the other side barty, lol
would make it look a lot better
lol
just google it
limber knotBOT
almost any have it on the other one
twin lagoon
twin lagoon
terrafirmacraft nails it actually
that one is a good one too
but i like TFC's version
limber knotBOT
(and the one I have in my garage has it on the other hand too :P)
pulsar wigeon
TFC is great honestly
twin lagoon
never touched it tbh
pulsar wigeon
i understand why a lot of people don't like it but it has a great feel
finite wave
Like it's fine, but it could be a little better.
I'd be fine with it if i could see the name of it etc when using it.. probably.
unreal quarry
If only we could modify player stance/swing animations while holding it, too ;)
finite wave
Now we are in the client mod section.. sadly
finite wave
This is minecraft
unreal quarry
runs away
finite wave
Hytale is like the space shuttle
limber knotBOT
I mean you could do some hacky stuff with custom mdoel animations
finite wave
Again, that's the way of mods.
limber knotBOT
loosing 95% of your (potential) playerbase isn't ideal though ¯_(ツ)_/¯
finite wave
They would be less hacky, but would need your playerbase to do extra stuff to play properly.
limber knotBOT
and unfortunately Spout died before becoming mature
finite wave
Is that the penguin thing?
limber knotBOT
I mean at least hCaptcha works in TOR
no more having to solve 5 captchas on half of the internet xD
finite wave
I mean, if you really wanted to you could prolly allow players to join with your mod and without it. Of course if they joined without it their experience would be "lite"
unreal quarry
I miss spout
austere ivy
this new patreon deal with tax is uncool
vernal moth
Spoutcraft <3
void void
someone should restart spout
limber knotBOT
yeah, having 3.5 stages of experiences with a single API would be nice: Vanilla, Server Resource Pack (automatic and manually downloaded) and modded
finite wave
I still got brian blocked
austere ivy
:)
worn ember
Good
finite wave
I unblocked the man
pulsar wigeon
the way it should be tbh
finite wave
Cause blocking really doesn't help shit
Like, it shows a "1 message blocked" message that's half the size of normal messages instead.
finite wave
sad
Apparently he is fred the destroyed of worlds.
It's nice Barty, a little fat though
austere ivy
remember when the creator of some chiseling mod got a custom cape because he made his own prismarine texture instead of stealing mojang's?
waxen panther
I prefer the purple one but bartys one looks more faithful to actual minecraft
in terms of shape
void void
i'd stick to vanilla 😛
void void
i'm faithful to vanilla, everything else is cancer to me
waxen panther
sicklesdontexistinminecraft
pure parcel
void void
then i don't play on that version ez
unreal quarry
it's too straight, @spare venture
void void
its the simplest solution is it not
unreal quarry
handle has to be crooked
waxen panther
void void
correct outdated
waxen panther
finite wave
It's also still quite fat
waxen panther
fat shaming
finite wave
No, idk i'm not a the best at it, but it feels fat
void void
hmm, i might have found a wild lombok, does llombok count?
finite wave
O shit, lombok still a thing?
vernal moth
I was on Lombok, does that count?
finite wave
on it?
waxen panther
die
void void
i mean like in some ASM mixin library thing
unreal quarry
lombok, huh? you should see waterfall's source 
finite wave
lombok in there?
pulsar wigeon
waterfall is a fork
removing lombok from bungee would be a massive completely incompatible patch
vernal moth
on it?
@finite wave Lombok is an island next to Bali which is an island next to java
All Indonesia
finite wave
I thought people would just use kotlin or smth instead, seems like no.
void void
fuck you and the island horse you rode in on
vernal moth
removing lombok from bungee would be a massive completely incompatible patch
Could do it automatically if ppl really cared
limber knotBOT
just delombok it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
waxen panther
debok
finite wave
No one cares as long as it compiles
pulsar wigeon
i mean, you'd have to run delombok on top of everything existing
limber knotBOT
tbh there is zero reason to remove it imo, lol
finite wave
Imagine git pulling after you delombok'ed it
blazing nebula
anyone have the link to the like "bungeecord setup guide" or smth like that
unreal quarry
.g bungeecord setup guide
limber knotBOT
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austere ivy
I've seen varying opinions, but why is lombok considered not good to use anymore?
finite wave
It is not too hard, as long as you don't think about it tbh.
Lombok is just a joke tbh, it is fine to use if you feel like it.
Just don't use it in a shared project unless u agree to use it
golden gust
try working on stuff like bungee without the lombok plugin
Which, currently doesn't work on the latest EAP
finite wave
"No such method"
tired heath
Is it possible to set a droped item persistent so it will never despawn?
finite wave
You can set despawn time,
vestal jasper
IDEA includes mostof what lombok accomplishes anyway
Alt Enter generate getters and setters
Bam. Done.
finite wave
I think it cna also generate cosntructors etc
vestal jasper
It can
austere ivy
spigot has an interesting way of cutting off text
vestal jasper
It can add to existing constructors too
austere ivy
Vic, isn't the point of lombok to make code easier to read, not easier to write?
vestal jasper
I certainly don't find that it makes it easier to read
golden gust
it reduces boiler plate at the cost of taking over the environment
austere ivy
Maybe easier to write too, I guess, but I feel like dozens of lines of pure getters is harder to read than a @Getter above every field.
Good point, cat.
tired heath
Na I will just respawn it periodically is saver than trusting long despawn times or persistens. Ty
finite wave
I'd just suggest kotlin
vestal jasper
I find having to learn your weird framework so you don't have to generate setters and getters harder to read 
finite wave
Lombok is not hard to learn tbh
unreal quarry
@tired heath item.setTicksLived(-32768); its a magic number implementation detail thats not documented anywhere. set the age to that, and it will never tick it's age (aka, never despawn)
vestal jasper
Yeah it just seems like a pointless and net negative tradeoff
tired heath
Ooo cool ty
finite wave
If you use a clearlagg plugin or whatever it will still despawn.
vestal jasper
I have to learn something and install a plugin so you can spend 2 less seconds generating methods lol
finite wave
Lombok adds a lot of fancy stuff, (including their "experimental" stuff) that is quite nice.
finite wave
Sure
topaz mortar
Kotlin Data classes are cool. Java 15+ is adding records which are immutable so not a good decision.
vestal jasper
Which I rarely see people use. Though I rarely see people use lombok to begin with.
finite wave
https://www.programiz.com/kotlin-programming/default-named-arguments#:~:text=In Kotlin%2C you can provide,)%2C%20default%20argument%20are%20used.
golden gust
optional/named args are nice
tired heath
But both infos help me a lot, I use the magic value to avoid despawning if possible, will skip the runable on if isValid and save ressources, but still do the check in the arena runable and respawn if needed. Ty
austere ivy
that seems really, really useful. much, much better than just checking if something is null.
golden gust
especially when you also jump from stuff like PHP which already supports that
They kinda need to given that they don't support method overrides..
polar sonnet
golden gust
or, whatever it's called where you have multiple methods with different sigs
finite wave
I think everything u find in lombok is also present in kotlin.. last i looked.. (not in depth)
topaz mortar
optional/named arguments removes the need to bloat method while overloading.
cat overloading
golden gust
operator overrides are nice too in kotlin
austere ivy
I need to look more into Kotlin. I love Java and its syntax but there are specific cases in which I'd like to use .. for example, named arguments. Not only does kotlin look like a really interesting language but the fact that you can intermix Java and Kotlin in a single project would be so useful if I just need to sprinkle some kotlin in there.
upper flicker
I did move a project over to kotlin the other day from java and the amount of boilerplate that went away was pretty nice
topaz mortar
Yeah, Vector classes can be used and written well by operator overloading.
finite wave
Kotlin is not that hard to learn if you are already used to java.
upper flicker
whenever records land in java thatll help, along with the improved switch stuff
and instanceof matching ❤️
limber knotBOT
calling "removing verbosity" nice smh
austere ivy
I'm so excited to use pattern matching
finite wave
You can use it now, jsut download java dev builds
topaz mortar
Records lack a important feature. No Setters because they are immutable.
upper flicker
its one thing to have verbose code but there's just a ton of ceremony
austere ivy
the amount of times in code that I've needed to check and cast that can be removed by instanceof matching is..
golden gust
kotlin just has a nice amount of sugar :3
austere ivy
I'd hop right from jdk8 to 16 (I think that's when pattern matching will be officially added) just for pattern matching
upper flicker
biggest one for me is still just nullability in the type system
the rest of it I'd give up just for that
topaz mortar
val bla = obla as MyClass ?: return
why does kotlin not have null?
upper flicker
kotlin has null
golden gust
It does
topaz mortar
Optional Nullability
golden gust
declarations just have to declare if they're nullable or not
e..g returns T? returns an "optional T", which kotlin basically forces you to deal with that null safely
upper flicker
meanwhile in java land, optionals are awful, annotations are annoying, and no one reads the docs
finite wave
Hah, Docs what is that.
austere ivy
that's really cool
topaz mortar
It's like inbuilt @NotNull @Nullable annotation from Jetbrains. But compile time safe and inbuilt.
austere ivy
that's really cool actually, I'll give Kotlin a shot as soon as I can
biggest thing holding me back is that I have Java syntax hammered into my head
upper flicker
that being said there are some changes that are just annoying
but they dont normally outweight the nice fluff
golden gust
Their generics are a bit 'eh, tbqh
I had to jump back to java for some trivial module system because of it
finite wave
You can pretty much use java syntax for kotlin. somewhat.
unreal quarry
kotlin is making devs lazy. back in my day we wrote programs with 0's and 1's by hand using a magnetic needle directly on the platter
runs away
austere ivy
intermixing java and kotlin in one project means that I don't have to decide, really. just some redundant areas in my code I could convert to kotlin. that'd be sweet.
how good is the intermixing anyway?
golden gust
Billy u dum
topaz mortar
biggest thing holding me back is that I have Java syntax hammered into my head
@austere ivy IntelliJ supports automatic migration to Kotlin. Just add the maven dependency and IntelliJ knows what to do.
golden gust
emacs has a shortcut for that
upper flicker
I wouldnt use the auto migration tbh
austere ivy
if I'm writing a class in in Java and I try to use named arguments from another class.. how would that work?
upper flicker
its pretty ... javay kotlin
golden gust
The automigration works, but, it's pretty arse
upper flicker
you can almost always just rewrite that portion better
finite wave
Brian it's 95% interoperable, as long as you are able to be okay with some singletons etc.
golden gust
^^
upper flicker
the interoperability in general is pretty much there, I'd say 95%
austere ivy
interoperable, that's the word, thank you. what exactly do you mean by okay with some singletons, though?
upper flicker
every once in a while I come across a null inferrence that it just got wrong
pretty ezpz to just ignore but w/e
finite wave
I usually don't mix it that much. I choose which language i want when i start on project.
upper flicker
also wouldnt really advise writing APIs for java users in kotlin
they say itll work, and technically it works, but ugh
write your impl in kotlin and let the actual api be java if thats what youre after
austere ivy
APIs are best to be verbose, right? so you'd want that in Java?
golden gust
that's not the issue
The thing is down to how kotlins compile output maps to java
e.g. companions are basically static classes inside of the class
topaz mortar
Cat auto migration is just a step to get into Kotlin by comparing Java code with K.
upper flicker
granted, thats my opinion based on how it used to work, maybe its amazing now but ehhhh
austere ivy
companions?
finite wave
That's what i meant with singletons zzzCat
upper flicker
imo if youre after public java apis, just write the damn apis in java so you know how theyll look and function for java users
you can still impl them in kotlin on the backside
golden gust
Kotlin doesn't really support static
golden gust
(it has a nasty anotation for it on the JVM, but, not recommended)
finite wave
It's "object oriented"
upper flicker
the annotation is ugly, technically you can make stuff like functions outside of classes, thats probably pretty close for a lot of people
golden gust
Instead it offers companion objects, which are literally just the exact same thing inside of an object attached to the class
upper flicker
companion objects are annoying though
finite wave
Well, of course any amazing thing has downsides
golden gust
woulda been nice if they just kinda accepted static as a somewhat necessary evil
finite wave
It's google what u think.
waxen panther
companion objects are ugly tbh
topaz mortar
Kotlin forces developers to get away from static abuse.
golden gust
Jetbrains, not google
finite wave
Aren't google funding it somewhat?
upper flicker
eh kotlin likes to assume all static is static abuse
theres plenty of not-static abuse that you cant do as well
golden gust
No idea of the understanding, but, google is pushing kotlin for.. er... obvious reasons...
looks over at oracle
topaz mortar
Util classes can be perfectly achieved by companions.
finite wave
I think oracle got scared of kotlin
upper flicker
google already resolved that by using openjdk instead of their own kludge of a fork
using kotlin doesnt free them so long as their entire platform is java based
topaz mortar
Kotlin Native. 
upper flicker
kotlin is just not a language I want to run natively sorry jetbrains
for whoever does though, Im sure its nice
austere ivy
why not?
upper flicker
it doesnt offer me any of the control I would expect
austere ivy
java does?
upper flicker
no
finite wave
Rust ❤️
austere ivy
oh, right, natively.
upper flicker
its not a regression, its just if I wanted something native I'd go rust
but obviously not everyone does so its fine
finite wave
I haven't done a lot of rust cause i've never needed to, sigh.
topaz mortar
I'm not rusty as well.
golden gust
I started looking at rust and it is nice
austere ivy
doesn't kotlin have an ability to add methods onto other classes instead of static util methods?
golden gust
There are also some attempts at cross platform UI stuff that looks interesting, but, doesn't seem 100% there
finite wave
I know it's nice, but haven't gotten a need for it yet sadly.
sage kettle
Any recommendable experience bottling plugin?
finite wave
Mithrandir what
topaz mortar
Are pointers fun in Rust?
sage kettle
there's tons of experience bottling plugins, they're just all crap.
austere ivy
Kotlin forces developers to get away from static abuse.
@topaz mortar no it just doesn't call it "static" and never lets you think that you're writing gasp static code
upper flicker
Im still super mixed on extension methods
on the one hand they're undeniably useful
sage kettle
@finite wave XP to bottle.
waxen panther
They're easy to abuse
upper flicker
on the other they very much mislead
golden gust
Yea
finite wave
I googled it and this seemed to be the most liked one https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bottledexp.2815/
golden gust
My one irk with kotlin devs is people who start going crazy with kotlin features
sage kettle
Yeah I can google 😄 just asking for advice.
golden gust
creating an ItemStack ends up going through like 20 kotlin language features for no real reason, etc
upper flicker
inline is a nice construct though
kotlin definitely lets you do a bit more compiler-side than java if you want
austere ivy
I have a great idea, but I'm wondering if anyone can implement it for me. What I'm thinking is that we combine the best parts of Kotlin with the best parts of Java. 50/50 split on the earnings? /s
upper flicker
hah you think there's money to be made in open source
topaz mortar
@topaz mortar no it just doesn't call it "static" and never lets you think that you're writing gasp static code
@austere ivy Just let a Spigot beginner write a plugin in Kotlin. He will fail because Objects are unknown to many "Spigot plugin coder".
golden gust
it took openssl, a huge gaping security issue, for companies to finally start backing it with the funding it needed
austere ivy
golden gust
This is a component used in pretty much every piece of software you use
austere ivy
to be fair, he's insane.
upper flicker
if youre large enough there is clearly money to be made on paid support for foss plugins
Im just not sure how well it'd work out for someone starting out small
golden gust
TBH, NPMs philosophy is that literally everything should be a package
finite wave
"large enough"? Fat shaming huh
golden gust
.g npm isOdd
limber knotBOT
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upper flicker
Jan Tuck is large enough
finite wave
❤️
austere ivy
this question is aimed at anyone who feels open enough to talk about it. are you earning your living from developing projects (either open-source or commission) or do you also work for a wage?
upper flicker
all of paper core has actual jobs
golden gust
given that I'm a student, pretty much
austere ivy
those two statements do not line up
upper flicker
I know nossr actually does make enough off of mcmmo purchases to live off of
golden gust
I don't have a fulltime job, I do student stuff, and basically freelance when I can
upper flicker
but any details beyond that are not mine to share
austere ivy
ah okay.
finite wave
I bought SkillsPro aren't you proud of me not paying him.
golden gust
Well, student stuff coming to an end
finite wave
I make a living go to school
warm anchor
Isn’t it also largely depend on the countries you guys live in?
pulsar wigeon
and im paid by an actual company as a FTE
golden gust
was talking to somebody about that a good little while ago
pulsar wigeon
but yea i make a living as a developer Kappa
warm anchor
For a low cost of living country, you can get away with making a lot less
golden gust
Was talking basically about the devs who have good experience and their involvement in the community, etc
They basically either end up working at some of the larger servers, of leave the community almost entirely
upper flicker
you can leave?
golden gust
Apparently so
upper flicker
teach me your secrets
finite wave
Imagine being in north korea
golden gust
I however seem to have this chain around my leg...
finite wave
or is it south idk
finite wave
Isn't it sunday?
pulsar wigeon
it's a collar ok
golden gust
god, am turning into mini
waxen panther
Typing is hard
finite wave
It's 2 am for me, so u woke up at 6 pm?
golden gust
yes
topaz mortar
Need to go to bed. It's 02:24 am
austere ivy
what over-all career choices would you folks recommend to anyone who is mildly interested in not starving to death?
unreal quarry
fastfood burger flipper
austere ivy
alright, what about someone mildly interested in technology?
waxen panther
Winning the lottery would probably be a good career path
upper flicker
get your foot in the door
austere ivy
my choice is doing whatever sonic ether is doing :)
topaz mortar
Getting into IT.
finite wave
Brian do whatever u like
waxen panther
lmfao sonic
austere ivy
that dude hit the jackpot and then made it a recurring payment
waxen panther
so much $$$
upper flicker
there's a lot of advancement available in dev/IT for experience that isnt traditionally available in a lot fields
waxen panther
absolute chad
unreal quarry
do whatever u like
sits at home and does nothing
upper flicker
so get your foot in the door, get some experience doing something
finite wave
Billy, in denmark we'd pay you for that as long as you also actively search for a job.
unreal quarry
😮
upper flicker
literally sitting here drinking a beer
pulsar wigeon
that is definitely not doing nothing
upper flicker
congrats
waxen panther
everyonesaynicethingssoyoudontgetkicked
unreal quarry
i walked outside earlier today. i feel accomplished, too
finite wave
I'm drinking tuborg
austere ivy
i've been taking my ducks on walks
finite wave
Become a pet walker brian.
unreal quarry
walked all the way to my bike, only to find out the part i bought earlier this week wont fit it 😦
austere ivy
I'm allergic to dogs :')
unless people want me to walk their ducks, chickens, or zebra finches. I have experience with that.
pulsar wigeon
walk lizards then
austere ivy
I do not have experience with those 
finite wave
They are just weird animals put a string around their neck and drag them along whatever.
lament patio
cunning raft
haha funny laugh sound
finite wave
If someone knows jackson could they help the guy to make a serializer or whatever in #paper-dev
Am a bit drunk cause i got no life
austere ivy
really interesting stuff in kotlin
finite wave
That's very much how it should be though?
if Long is null or Long is null don't multiply them.
potent fossil
Good morning
upper flicker
timezones 
potent fossil
It's 6pm
finite wave
It's almost 3 am
austere ivy
I mean the autocasting Jan
austere ivy
x and y are automatically cast to non-nullable after null check
reminds me of pattern matching, that's all
finite wave
Ah, smart cast ye
austere ivy
I think my end-game career goal is for someone to patron me one of these bad boys
finite wave
Hah, you wish
upper flicker
who the fuck is paying 10k a month on patreon
finite wave
The trillionaire Z
limber knotBOT
lmao
upper flicker
city already told me Im not allowed to be anyone else's cam girl
warm anchor
@austere ivy patron is out of date tbh. Be a virtual YouTuber in Japan. 4.5 million yen (45k USD) in 1 hour stream. Weeb got best cash
upper flicker
"virutal youtuber"
no no dont tell me what it actually is
Ive made up my mind
I like my version
warm anchor
Westerner will see it in this coming years. Anything weeb trending in Japan will take years to come to US
limber knotBOT
is it like hatsune miku just as a stream?
austere ivy
is it eating at a dinner table?
I heard that's a thing
I alone eat by myself all the time so mine as well stream my misery while living in japan
is that what people want?
warm anchor
She’s on lower end @austere ivy https://youtu.be/N5G5FlyPt9s
finite wave
"she" -> anime person
warm anchor
Other girl’s 3D is upward of 100 million yen an hour
In donation
So about 100k USD in donation
limber knotBOT
japan smh
austere ivy
the donations spams the chat, holy guac
void void
wtf is japan doing
austere ivy
ah dangit, seems like I need to 1. be born in japan and 2. be a girl
void void
hmm i should pay someone in japan cheap to do it for me
austere ivy
doesn't seem like it'll work out for me :(
void void
right i got my business plan now
warm anchor
Similar to ASMR it was a thing back in the early 2000s
austere ivy
I don't think autotranslate captions are working correctly. Or maybe they are..
limber knotBOT
japan is big on that sexism thing 👀
warm anchor
And didn’t get popular until 2010 in The west YouTube
@austere ivy the 120k USD one https://youtu.be/5Nr41M9zk2c
finite wave
Are a weeb community suddenly?
void void
damn thats a lot of invalid characters
finite wave
ikr
pulsar wigeon
why are people posting hentai here
warm anchor
Lmao it’s not omg
finite wave
It's so weird, people get money
void void
business oportunity of a life time!
void void
wiz you should do it
finite wave
Just go sell "hentai girlfriend" in japan get money
warm anchor
Coz it’s an animated avatar
Just have good personality
You don’t sell boob or ass like in twitch
finite wave
I saw a documentary about japenese males dating nintendo digital girlfriends and getting married.
austere ivy
Japan is really, really weird.
warm anchor
In a way is better
Than thot culture on twitch
Coz you are donating to an actual person with personality
Instead of boobs
finite wave
I'd rather see manly Aikar streaming
waxen panther
void void
👀
austere ivy
I'd be genuinely interested in watching livestreams of you people programming.
Workflow, thought process, all useful things.
warm anchor
Or do a Minecraft fishing stream @austere ivy https://youtu.be/Im-Gy5eoRVc
tired heath
A last question about item, when I create a item via Item item = …getWorld().dropItem(…) and that item did despan in the world, is the item object still useable to respawn it or is it rubbish and I would just do another dropItem?
warm anchor
She doe those stream regularly and makes about $300 a stream
austere ivy
@tired heath might wanna ask that in #paper-dev
warm anchor
Just talking and fishing in Minecraft
finite wave
@tired heath If you keep a reference to the item it would still be there, but it won't be present in the world iirc. E.g as Billy said
tired heath
Na, in paper dev they just want paper related stuff to the paper project
unreal quarry
@tired heath if you still hold a reference to the Item, then you have created a memory leak
austere ivy
I find their voices incredibly annoying
tired heath
I c thanks, so the item is still there but unusable and keeping the reference would just be waste of memory
finite wave
You can also keep it as WeakReference or in a WeakHashMap iirc
tired heath
Basically is just my open arena (quake) remake, doing item drops at spawn points, at the moment I periodically check if a item got invalid, either because server despawned it or because a player took it (it gets removed by me in that event, just to get the event). So I just keep the ref, to check if it isValid to skip the regen each time, as soon as isValid is false I create a new one and overwrite the old ref. So the GC should take care of it
I guess is a valid way to do it
finite wave
Seems, fine if you use a WeakReference you can just check if the value is null.
tired heath
I gonna try that, thank you
finite wave
I haven't quite used it as much as i like, so i only think it works like that, usually i only store the bare minimum to find the stuff i need.
So i think it works like that
tired heath
Is okay, I also have to check it out now, how it works. After that I will try it and see if it is fine. The keyword is all I need to learn the basics
Already checking it out thx again 🙂
tacit sandal
frozen ruin
spare venture
any shorter and they'd look like pickaxes in your hand
unreal quarry
Still too straight, imo
finite wave
Make handle more prominent too
unreal quarry
(the handle)
spare venture
hmm
blazing tapir
finite wave
Welcome Dumplings, can i eat you?
blazing tapir
hey 😳
finite wave
A cat, nty
potent fossil
i have a feeling the cat emoji is merely a distraction that is masking the tastiness of the dumplings hidden in plain sight
ill risk it
.kill Dumplings
limber knotBOT
rips Dumplings's intestines and uses them as a skipping rope.
potent fossil
eats
sleek turtle
potent fossil
@ancient bolt ur the only staff with a green
ok lets be real wiz is prob here but i cant see him
void void
what are you scared about?
potent fossil
wat
unreal quarry
just ping him. its a legit reason, imo
void void
exactly, policy is don't do it for useluss reasons
unreal quarry
I aint doin' it.. he's looking for a reason to ban me
sits back down
void void
is it just me or is discord search thing down rn
lament patio
Down here too
void void
aww, i wanted to remind billy of something funny
uneven pike
orchid jackal
gleaming finch
hey @heady spear do you work on FAWE?
finite wave
What a weird question
gleaming finch
lool
ok
maybe you can answer this question
I just want to know if putting which is better
softdepend: ['FastAsyncWorldEdit', 'WorldEdit']
or
softdepend: ['WorldEdit']
since DummyFawe is technically WorldEdit
heady spear
I mean do you actually interact with FAWE specific API?
gleaming finch
no
heady spear
If so, use the former. But dummyfawe is there just to make it looks like WE is present
Then use the latter
gleaming finch
ok, sounds good. thanks :)
austere ivy
wait wait, City you own IntellectualSites?
peak dirge
dumcord being dum
potent fossil
he owns IS but he's certainly not intellectual
quartz pecan
unreal quarry
my youngest son "you know, with the way modern medice is advancing these days, you might actually still be alive in 50 years."
me ":O how old do you think I am?"
smfh
austere ivy
how old are you Billy?
void void
i am
unreal quarry
only 36..
cosmic raft
I mean, 76 is the average US male lifespan
void void
im 76.1
pulsar wigeon
what's the avg lifespan of people who ride motorcycles
short yarrow
Alright so I changed an interface to an abstract class and forgot to check if my code compiles before committing. I want to make a commit that fixes the errors (I just changed implements to extends). What would you put as the commit message for something like this?
cosmic raft
"change implements to extends" lol
fallen oracle
Fixed a fucky wucky
short yarrow
haha
neat smelt
xD
upper flicker
youre just jealous you didnt use it
finite wave
Just commit with "Fixed some stuff"
void void
just commit with "Learned how to count to 2"
pulsar wigeon
i just went to ksahike's profile to find some typical commit messages
short yarrow
I'd love to do that, but I'm really trying hard to write good commit messages
pulsar wigeon
....was text renamed to 'adventure'?
short yarrow
I have such a hard time writing commit messages
pulsar wigeon
oh goodness
short yarrow
I either did too much and have no idea what to write or I have no idea what I did lol
void void
"A f*cking commit message deal with it"
pulsar wigeon
what does that mean
finite wave
Just list every change u do
cosmic raft
bossbars, titles, actionbar, and sounds supported with 4.x
UI library instead of just text alone
pulsar wigeon
we just need to send messages in WE :<
cosmic raft
which you can still do easily :P
finite wave
It’s just item lore in chat
pulsar wigeon
private repos 👀
cosmic raft
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what's Felix
cosmic raft
Korobi
upper flicker
wow that's messed up, you shouldnt hope anyone steps on a lego
cosmic raft
spare venture
austere ivy
I feel like emojis and weird unicode symbols in git messages is some weird error waiting to happen.
short yarrow
woah why does your github look like that
static badge
one of the reasons to use comfortable is that
upper flicker
i was almost impressed you put in the effort to use one of those multi-part emotes
austere ivy
comfortable?
void void
austere ivy
I really, really like your profile picture @void void
void void
someone just built this on my server and im really scared, please help
void void
oh no, my server is Christian
austere ivy
I did that when I was a kid :') good old days
I also remember when I made a glowstone rectangle, poured a bucket of water in, and was so disappointed a portal to the Aether didn't appear
I didn't know how mods worked :')
upper flicker
aether was a great mod
void void
i remember the mcpe alpha dupes
austere ivy
isn't the developer working for mojang now?
upper flicker
I believe so yes
austere ivy
good for them.
upper flicker
unfortunately the aether dim is already taken up by the end
unless they make the aether above that
I mean, they arent going to add an aether
austere ivy
I'm curious about the main developers for Minecraft and who they are. I'm stuck with thinking it's just y'know Grumm, dinnerbone, jeb, and maybe some more people.
upper flicker
but it was legitimately an excellent mod
certainly worthy of vanilla if not beyond
austere ivy
I've never played it, maybe I should give it a shot
I wouldn't be opposed to another dimension in vanilla at this point, honestly
upper flicker
1.16 adds arbitrary dimensions
cunning raft
Wouldn't surprise me if they added it sooner than later
upper flicker
not that they couldnt do it before
austere ivy
I used to be really conservative in what could and couldn't be in vanilla but it seems Mojang has giiiveeenn upppp with trying to make it "Minecraft-y"
upper flicker
but now its like a thing so, even easier
austere ivy
1.16 basically blew my mind with how out-of-the-style they went
cunning raft
But yeah 1.16 was definitely preparing for future dimensions
austere ivy
also, how does 1.16 add arbitrary dimensions? I heard something about it but I'm curious on the more technical side of it
upper flicker
I havent looked at how they impl'd that, if they use the DIM#/DIM-# system or what
but I'd be a-okay if we stopped splitting up the dims into world folders
not really likely to happen because backwards compat but still
austere ivy
what are the dims?
dimensions?
I always saw DIM# in the world folder but.. there's also world_the_end and world_nether or whatever.
Doesn't seem like DIM is dimensions, then.
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dimmsdale dimmadome
fallen oracle
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god damn it
upper flicker
dim is dimensions
dim1 is the end, dim-1 is the nether
bukkit decided to split dims into separate worlds
except, not really
and thats the same system bukkit/spigot/paper are on today
where dims are separate worlds, but only kinda
austere ivy
oh wait I'm dum I was thinking about paper
looking at an actual world generated from vanilla singleplayer
no world to be found
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splitting them into different worlds is kinda nice... but dimensions inside a world seem a bit better
upper flicker
vanilla just names them whatever you decide they are
austere ivy
what's region then?
upper flicker
tbh I wish we were closer to vanilla with how we handle dims
but at this point, merging that back seems super unlikely
static badge
I think the ideal way is to allow separate worlds with their own dims, and just let you disable any dims you want
upper flicker
region is the region files that have all the world data in it
austere ivy
pulled up a random world
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so if you want your world to just be nether... then there you go just disable all but nether
austere ivy
so DIM-1 and DIM1 are the nether and end (why is it not DIM-1 and DIM-2!?) and region is the overworld?
upper flicker
DIM-1 is DIM -1
static badge
it's dimension "-1"
austere ivy
hmmmmmm
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god damn it
fallen oracle
That's kinda smart
celest coyote
Lol negative dimensions
upper flicker
so its vaguely making sense because notch
fallen oracle
Cause it's all lava and hell and stuff
celest coyote
Cept end is negative
fallen oracle
Maybe he was trying to make the ultimate Christian Minecraft Server.
celest coyote
I mean negative as in colors
upper flicker
the nether was literally just dropped on a random, unannounced, haloween update when it was just notch
this whole game is ... based in... notch
celest coyote
Notch is a genius programmer how dare you doubt him
austere ivy
This makes no sense.
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imagine
upper flicker
cant figure out the generator code maybe?
upper flicker
instead we gotta come up with "lore friendly" workarounds like void damage on the ceiling
static badge
"oh there's this giant hole to the old nether roof"
upper flicker
so just make it for new gen
austere ivy
You'd think it'd either be each world is its own thing, the nether is a world, overworld is a world, end is a world, etc, so:
DIM-1 -> overworld
DIM-2 -> end
DIM-3 -> nether
OR
Each world comes with all dimensions, where dimensions are things such as the overworld, end, and nether.. SO:
region/DIM-1
region/DIM-2
region/DIM-3
upper flicker
that's like 2 extra lines
static badge
and now your generator is split
upper flicker
err, newly generated worlds*
upper flicker
literally two lines
not split classes, not legacy support shit
two fucking lines
upper flicker
leaf why dont you just make leafcraft
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maybe even 4
upper flicker
and we can all duct tape bukkit support onto that
static badge
it'd give me cancer
upper flicker
write it in rust pls
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no
upper flicker
😦 anime betrayls
upper flicker
oh no
static badge
why java
because minecraft is made in java so you gotta bring over the modding community
imagine having people mod your game just dig straight into native compiled binaries that break on a compiler update
god damn
rust is too new btw
taking on a minecraft rewrite in a new language seems like pepega to me
upper flicker
there are already a few random foss projects for that anyway
static badge
I'd rewrite pistons though and redstone...
what a fun time that would be
speaking of I gotta add TE's to pistons
and oh boy it looks like a fucking catastrophe
austere ivy
why do you need to do that
upper flicker
eveything in this game is a fucking catastrophe
static badge
you have a shit load of chests
with 27 shulkers
all filled with oversized books
now imagine your piston moving that thing
think about the impl
this game is retarded so you probably want to serialise/deserialise TE's
imagine that
upper flicker
that is literally spongebob meme level material
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ur literally spongebob meme material
upper flicker
you know what, Ill give you that one
static badge
do u know how much that would lag
upper flicker
probably
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no u don't
upper flicker
dude this is the MC community
everyone knows you just make that shit async with a couple concurrent maps
itll be fine
static badge
oh no
cosmic raft
dug up something I was working on before
upper flicker
little bit of summer fork here, little bit of concurrent map there
boom, there you go
potent fossil
jesus gcc is taking for fucking ever to compile
static badge
alright z I'll make it allllllllll async
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you know I'll probably figure out a way to just use the old TE object
potent fossil
sexy kash
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and run into 1500 separate issues
potent fossil
idk wat it is but sexy
cosmic raft
:-)
fallen oracle
server file layout
potent fossil
what is that smiley with the nose about kash
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you know what I'll also make it do z
upper flicker
potent fossil
:-)
heady spear
Oh no forgot my gym check in
heady spear
How will you guys go through your day without knowing I worked out D:
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satisfied
potent fossil
.kill city
limber knotBOT
throws city to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.
heady spear
How rude
heady spear
I did my first deadlift in over 12 months :3
potent fossil
this fucking compilation is going to continue to run long after im dead
it never stops
austere ivy
kash I will pay you at least 2 dollars if you fork Paper and add those changes plus change a bunch of Bukkit apis
heady spear
Halp
cosmic raft
wot
potent fossil
why dont you do it?
austere ivy
I don't really know how
potent fossil
austere ivy
good call, I'll be back
cosmic raft
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potent fossil
ok
had to install gcc-base to install gcc to install dxvk
so i can fucking install battle.net
so i can play call of duty on lutris
which may or may not even fucking work
at this point i may just go buy a decently sized ssd and plop it in there and just throw windows on that so the few games that absolutely will not work on linux can be played there when necessary
void void
heady spear
Ice cold showers are the best
desert stream
austere ivy
hold up
what
individual commit?
so you have to look through the git history to see all the patches?
heady spear
that's how patches get created
it's kinda backwards tho isn't it? every single patch is a commit
austere ivy
yeah that's what I was going to say
golden gust
Well, it's correct
austere ivy
is it?
well it is a patch, but in the current version of paper
newest build of paper
every single commit is in there as its own patch?
golden gust
Every commit in Paper-Server/API from paper itself is a patch file
upper flicker
you can actually abuse that to make it less tedious sometimes
because every patch is just a commit
and every commit is just a patch
unreal quarry
if you./paper patch then cd Paper-Server you can git log to see that every patch is indeed a git commit
heady spear
well brian said that too, but the phrasing sounds a bit odd. Aren't the patches created from the commits?
upper flicker
yes
heady spear
the way it's written makes it sounds like it's the other way around
upper flicker
its kinda a vice versa thing
all patches get made into commits
all commits get made into patches
unreal quarry
golden gust
Yea, I mean, if you think you can word it better 🤷♂️
upper flicker
depend on if youre applying or rebuilding
unreal quarry
its worded in such a way for contributors to create git commits to create patches 😉
austere ivy
Let's set this straight, git's commits are patches as a file format. The .patch files in Paper-Server/API are made from the commits being applied to a repository. What I'm saying is that although every single commit in git log is a patch (because git commits are "patches" (as a file type)) I quote "every single commit in Paper-Server/API" is not a patch that would be applied if you built Paper anew, because while some are rewritten or deleted, git still remembers and keeps them there as "commits".
unreal quarry
to edit a patch, you guessed it, you edit a specific commit ^_^
we're talking about git commits in Server/API directory. the commits in the root directory are not patches
austere ivy
Wait wait wait, you edit a specific commit?
unreal quarry
yes
austere ivy
You go back in time and you edit.. like.. you rebase or something?
unreal quarry
yes
austere ivy
squints why would you do that?
unreal quarry
thats how the mailbox works
if you just keep adding new commits you end up with 15 patches all editing the same thing
austere ivy
and this is why I don't understand how to touch paper.
unreal quarry
so instead, you go back in history and edit the specific commit/patch
austere ivy
Commits can delete or modify things too, though.
potent fossil
why would you edit history?
austere ivy
Take some normal git repository, commits keep being added. You don't get a bunch of files saying the same thing, right?
austere ivy
the amount of times that I've used git squash-all is not a number that I'm proud of.
potent fossil
(yes i know it can still be found if you have the commit hash but no one does so fuck off :))
unreal quarry
well, this git repo is a fake one. everytime you ./paper patch it creates a new fake repo. it turns all the patches into a git history
its very safe to edit history there
austere ivy
(pimple what do you mean it can be found if you have the commit hash)
upper flicker
mmm I thin we've still got some orphaned meme commits up on GH
austere ivy
potent fossil
idk i havent tried to pull them up after a while, only tried immediately after editing history and it did indeed work
upper flicker
and there's the like, fork it and you can make objects show up in the parent repo thing
austere ivy
The commits on this file are all changes/modifications thinking
upper flicker
because of how GH does deltas for storage or something
it doesnt ever end up in the parent tree literally, but it can end up looking like it does
austere ivy
Is this abuse of git?
unreal quarry
no, its actually a feature. called mailboxes (or something)
austere ivy
and I thought I already didn't know any idea about git
now I double don't know anything about git
austere ivy
hold a quick hot second :)
can you see git commits that I thought were deleted after git squash-all :)
austere ivy
in regular repo
upper flicker
git squash-all doesnt clean up the objects iirc
austere ivy
you can : )
upper flicker
as long as those objects are around you can get to them, orphaned or no
austere ivy
sweats profusely how do you actually wipe clean a git history
completely eradicate it with bleach
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force pushes ig?
austere ivy
squash-all is a force push
golden gust
There is the reflog