thanks aikar
#general
cunning raft
slim nymph
nuked, but denied poor wiz the bans lol
void void
thanks aikar
slender jay
gg aikar
slender jay
yeah
latent valve
yea
void void
weirdos
polar island
slender jay
here we go
lament patio
void void
i'm starting to think that i don't understand how to use srg2source
it didn't remap anything
pulsar creek
fallen oracle
If you see Z on, you can get in touch with him, I believe.
steep violet
fallen oracle
I knew it was somewhere. That was the only place I didn't look ๐
frail lynx
austere ivy
zbk you making your own permissions plugin?
cobalt pendant
slender jay
do you ever look at someone and wonder what is going on inside their head BRIAN EDITION
void void
slender jay
fallen oracle
About to go make bug reports for bartyreams
drowsy canyon
Hi guys, do you ever had this issue as server admin?
Sometimes people are getting disconected, and when they recconect, all the inventory is gone? there are no console errors :S
drowsy canyon
ohh well i have lot of plugins let me ss
@austere ivy
@spare venture just client detector
austere ivy
Is your server online-mode?
slender jay
clear lag
Is your server online-mode?
i see skinsrestorer, so no
aight time to sleep
drowsy canyon
@austere ivy nop
austere ivy
Might be worth looking into that. I'm under qualified for this though lol
cunning raft
._.
vestal jasper
LOOK INTO THE LIGHT
EMBRACE THE LIGHT
learn java
help out on it
it's a daunting task and every time I think about starting it I think about how much time it'll take to do
and then I stop thinking about working on it
maybe some day
I have the functional prototype
but 
motivation
it'll happen some day โข๏ธ but not today โข๏ธ
same
void void
austere ivy
I do like occasionally stalking on other servers :D
also yeah I did change my pfp
drew it in gimp in about 3 minutes, I don't know what it is
vestal jasper
ur just mad I teased you
austere ivy
vic is that your cat btw?
austere ivy
jobs replacement?
do you need a jobs replacement
dangit
vic are you making a jobs replacement
cunning raft
barty if it's another ess replacement i stg
fallen oracle
YOu're so needy
First it's a converter
Then it's fixing basic stuff in the plugin
What's next, fixing an economy bug that's about to be reported on the GitHub?
Barty I was prepared to yell at you for that
But it might actually not be bad
Because I see your point on that.
pulsar wigeon
the opposite of a cooldown
cunning raft
pulsar wigeon
that wasn't a joke
fallen oracle
For that issue you just posted
cunning raft
did you submit an issue?
if yes link so i can put it on 2.18
ok
oh?
search for duplicates first then
lemme know if you find something
vestal jasper
should've made it 8 years ago 
pulsar wigeon
suddenly this is moss discord :^)
i think i was 14 when i made my first commit to WE
vestal jasper
so, a year ago?
pulsar wigeon
i'm only 13 rn
vestal jasper
sounds about right
stiff yarrow
with how grumpy wiz is I expected him to be in his 40s
cunning raft
ohh
i know this bug barty
it's because messages are sent after the first countdown tick occurs
will fix that after my async pr is merged
if you want to test that, would be good :))
fallen oracle
Yikes
austere ivy
wiz, I'm actually interested in your history
vestal jasper
barty what do you plan on using for portals after you switch off of cmi 
austere ivy
I don't know how old you are, where you're from, how old you were, or where you came from.
I'd like to know maybe, like, two of those things.
vestal jasper
he's a retard who comes from a retarded background and retardedly spends his time on modding MC
like most of us
pulsar wigeon
dont see why any of those things matter
vestal jasper
ok
pulsar wigeon
did you need my SSN and mother's maiden name too brian?
cunning raft
i need your favorite board game and childhood teacher
austere ivy
First pet's name?
Seems like most people learn this stuff when they're 13-15.
I just think it's interesting if that trend continued even further.
sharp sentinel
I've always assumed wiz was a year or two older than me tbh, idk why
Probably because he knew more than me when I started working on EngineHub projects
Also despite not being American, I default to assuming everyone is American
pulsar wigeon
i mean obviously, it's an american invention /s
limber knotBOT
Wait why /s?
pulsar wigeon
a british scientist working at the european nuclear research whatever...
limber knotBOT
That's the web
pulsar wigeon
read sk's code
sharp sentinel
I still don't know if learning Java by reading sk's code was an overall good or bad thing for me ๐
pulsar wigeon
dunno, i've always been a fast learner
limber knotBOT
I learned Java by decompiling Minecraft to fix piston crashes/exploits in beta 1.7 :D
Didn't know I could have grabbed the source I needed via CraftBukkit since that's what I was actually decompiling, I just ran it through a decompiler, found the file and what I needed to change, and tried to figure out how to recompile it to a .class so I could replace the original in the jar manually
pulsar wigeon
jarmods 
limber knotBOT
A proper fix was out before I figure out how to do all of that, even if I did find and "fix" the bug in like an hour
sharp sentinel
I remember the jarmod days, those were dark days
limber knotBOT
Now we have mixins, everything else just looks like garbage
sharp sentinel
Forgetting to delete the manifest and suddenly the classloader would throw security errors
limber knotBOT
Mods in 2010 didn't usually release their source code so I had no idea I could do anything simpler, figured I'd have to do the same thing to mod this the Bukkit folks had to do to mod the game to begin with
sharp sentinel
When I was first learning I used to run a MC server through Eclipse with the debugger open, and hotload changes
austere ivy
Who's sk?
sharp sentinel
That just reminded me of the ghetto "class merger" tools that'd merge two class diffs together
For mod compat
vestal jasper
oh boy
austere ivy
I'm so outta the loop, I thought that me4502 was sk.
sharp sentinel
No, sk has a lot of barbecues, I have 0 barbecues
austere ivy
Huh.
sharp sentinel
https://github.com/sk89q <- This is sk
sharp sentinel
Oh no, I'm not ready to welcome tuinity into my life
cunning raft
inb4 they're just gonna spam wiz with pings
sharp sentinel
does that happen often lol?
vestal jasper
yes
cunning raft
They deleted their join message 
vestal jasper
they're gone
sharp sentinel
Tuinityspiracy
vestal jasper
they didn't delete it, they were banned I presume
I can't ping them
oh look there's the other account
sharp sentinel
I mean I kicked a 12 year old from a skype group once and they went after me for years afterwards
vestal jasper
Me, it happens pretty much weekly at this point
cunning raft
Skype 
sharp sentinel
They had the clearly professional name of Russian Hackmaster or something
They were like /extremely/ obsessed with me for years, making fake accounts almost weekly to harrass me
Oh no, a CPU profiler is here now too
Better hide your inefficiencies
wispy ether
modest gorge
is there anyone here who runs a survival server, has 40+ players, and stays at or very close to tps 20?
slim nymph
my ban gun is loaded today
sharp sentinel
I recently helped out a server with performance issues, they have ~60 players and stay at 20 TPS
It's a survival server
sharp sentinel
Nah I also remove FAWE
Nah I generally tweak the entity settings in the paper/spigot/bukkit configs to use per-player-entities, lower the entity counts, and lower various things
modest gorge
I would appreciate any advice you could give me to do the same. I bought a new dedicated recently so my hardware is decent, I use paper, I've followed every optimization guide I can find, but once we get near 40 tps hovers somewhere between 12-15. it could be worse but we're definitely growing and I want to be at 60 without a view-dist of 1 lol
sharp sentinel
Do you have a timings report?
That'd show what the actual slowdown is, so you can tweak settings based on that
modest gorge
it's mostly entities from what I see. but I also don't want entities to be non-existant
sharp sentinel
Use per-player entities, and lower the entity limits
fallen oracle
Update flags
modest gorge
I have, there's only 1 flag off and aikar suggested it
sharp sentinel
It causes the gameplay to be about the same, with a lot less entities on the server
fallen oracle
Shit a lot of this is entities
sharp sentinel
Although you don't have too many entities for your player count oddly
modest gorge
I use per-player entities, we have 24 monster, 10 animal, 6 water, 2 ambient
I've been gradually lowering it, and can a bit more, I just want people wandering deserts with no mob in sight
how can I limit per chunk?
true true
void void
modest gorge
given I've followed all the guides I can find, reducing entities more and using tuinity are pretty much all I have left
void void
whats this
celest coyote
Use a plugin like moblimiter to finely tune entities like setting limits per chunk
slim nymph
if not, you prob took a wrong turn 3 roads down
fallen oracle
3 roads down is the Poptropica Reunion, you aren't looking for that, are you?
modest gorge
is tuinity really that much better?
sharp sentinel
Is Tuinity up to date with recent Paper changes?
I thought development was stopped
fallen oracle
It merged upstream 3 days ago.
slim nymph
why does everyone complain about worldedit commands showing up on tab when they dont have perms, it seems like worldedit does implement the permission checks?
sharp sentinel
There are 2 commands that don't have perms assigned in WE
It's only those 2 that people complain about
celest coyote
just a reminder that tuinity is leaf's experimental playground
modest gorge
makes it tough for servers owners to choose lol, that sounds bad
slim nymph
https://github.com/EngineHub/WorldEdit/blob/master/worldedit-bukkit/src/main/java/com/sk89q/worldedit/bukkit/WorldEditPlugin.java#L513 is this maybe not checking perms?
Matt this is showing more? https://papermc.io/forums/t/commands-showing-up-for-non-ops/3566
sharp sentinel
Oh, it's 3
slim nymph
or is sel and desl just same command
vestal jasper
they aren't
slim nymph
any reason they dont have a perm?
vestal jasper
afaik last time I brought it up it's due to legacy reasons
pulsar wigeon
yes
slim nymph
do people seriously make all this fuss over those 3
pulsar wigeon
shit like //sel and /none have no perms because the command frameworks have never had a way to specify default true perms
slim nymph
i swear i heard it so much i thought none of the commands had perms
pulsar wigeon
and because they're useful to have by default since thirdparty shit uses selections/tools
modest gorge
is there a way to identify where chunks might be that have too many entities or are more prone to cause tps issues? I notice sometimes we'll be at 42 people with 19tps and then 44 people and suddenly down to 13tps. I can't explain it
pulsar wigeon
.g entity detector spigotmc
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/entitydetection-tile-entity-support.20588/ -- EntityDetection (Tile Entity Support!) | SpigotMC - High...: "Find groups of (tile) entities: Hoppers, Mobfarms, XP-Farms, Chicken-Breeder! ... You can also search for the specific Bukkit entity type! ... Entity..."
modest gorge
ok cool thanks
I miss the old days lol, we hit 92 people on beta 1.8 with no real prob
sharp sentinel
I'm still shocked that entities are so bad on modern MC tbh
Like it's not even pathing that's bad now
It's just entities in general
sharp sentinel
Yeah I saw that - is that something portable to Paper? Or do you already improve that section
slim nymph
i was mainly able to help optimize villagers by simply altering their logic so they favor local POI's over farther...
trying to pathfind 48 blocks is a lot of blocks to check
modest gorge
is there anything server ops should do for villagers? obviously post 1.14 people want to farm the crap out of them for 1 emerald mending books etc. just a mob limiter plugin maybe?
sharp sentinel
Just turn up raids a tonne, that'll clear out the villagers :^)
modest gorge
lol, and add dozens of pillagers that leave 1 stuck somewhere for an infinite raid
slim nymph
well I helped improve them a ton in latest build
austere ivy
me4502, what's your affiliation with sk8q?
sharp sentinel
Uhh my affiliation?
sk was the person who started all the EngineHub projects
I now run the enginehub infrastructure (sites, etc)
As sk doesn't care about Minecraft at all
austere ivy
that's cool
slim nymph
so not working on we anymore?
sharp sentinel
I also work on WE/CB yeah
But EngineHub is a community project with multiple devs
Main thing I replaced sk regarding is the infrastructure
modest gorge
I always wondered where sk went
sharp sentinel
sk went to a barbecue store and never came back
Sometimes I still hear about barbecue deals
fallen oracle
Just picked up thick brisket for Sunday.
slim nymph
to drop 60$ on brisket tomorrow or not
fallen oracle
That's about what I spent. Do it.
slim nymph
we got a good place called City Barbeque here
slim nymph
but Smokeys is the shit when around the office
tidal ember
fallen oracle
Just wrote my first patch.
pulsar wigeon
-- a/glare.brain
++ b/glare.brain
@@ 0,0 @@ glare.brain
brain cell
+ brain cell
r00d
I accepted a PR
and now it is
@tired heath wut did u do and why did u not PR
all I have to say is, works for me on my serbur xd
fallen oracle
So why is Paper patching and stuff so much faster on Linux? It's going zoooom.
pulsar wigeon
winderp sux
fallen oracle
Understandable.
olive marlin
I wonder what speed improvement could be achieved if, instead of applying patches one by one, paper would first combine patches in parallel (i.e. all spigot server patches into one in one process, all spigot api in another, all paper server in third etc), and then apply those combined patches. A lot of IO operations would be parallelized.
vestal jasper
What benefit does this have
olive marlin
Instead of opening all affected files for each patch - the files are only opened once for spigot and once for paper etc.
And some merging issues are resolved in parallel.
Would be interesting to see if it'll work faster or not.
vestal jasper
You still have thousands of files to edit
pulsar wigeon
yea i mean go ahead and test it but i doubt you'll find anyone else willing to do it for potentially marginal improvements for a system that doesn't need to be particularly fast
vestal jasper
over a system that I find typically takes like 2-10 seconds
limber knotBOT
Like, do you want to run combinediff at the start of the build process?
Because doing it as something that gets checked in to git seems... bad
pulsar wigeon
yea that is 100% not getting checked in
olive marlin
Was thinking about running it at the start, yes.
pulsar wigeon
patch files have to be separate in git for organization and updates and so on lol
vestal jasper
dude single commit 
fallen oracle
2-10 seconds on Windows? Holy crap
fossil urchin
vestal jasper
2-10 seconds on linux, typically on the 2 second end
patching my fork takes like half a second
fallen oracle
Damn
vestal jasper
paper usually 5-10, purpur usually 2-5
idk how fast it is on windows I never cared enough to put in the effort to get an env that can patch
fallen oracle
About 2 minutes
vestal jasper
fallen oracle
I usually tell it to patch, go make some waffles, and come back.
fallen oracle
Ya
limber knotBOT
And depending on how the build system works the patch tool used might be going through a cygwin translation layer
Basically a reverse WINE
I haven't looked in to the specifics :P
drowsy swallow
limber knotBOT
Huh, I think combinediff is just applying the patches to a copy of the file then getting a new diff?
olive marlin
Yes.
limber knotBOT
I thought it was parsing the diffs and combining them
pulsar wigeon
that...doesn't speed anything up then
olive marlin
It doesn't use the original file.
pulsar wigeon
if it has to apply each diff first to get a combined version
olive marlin
It just gets the 2 diffs together.
Since combinediff doesn't have the advantage of being able to look at the files that are to be modified,...
fallen oracle
There's 80,000 lines of code on server and 50,000 on api
Roughly, give or take a few thousand.
olive marlin
My point was to parallelize the part of combining the patches together. Since they can be combined independently in multiple processes. And then applied one by one in the main process.
limber knotBOT
I dunno, file parsers in C are a mess to read
It's nothing but pointer math and fseek
And he tried to be clever while writing this, it's three tools in one that use boolean arguments to turn parts of functions off so they can do multiple things
This is one of those awful tools from the 90s that people don't have much need for and when they do this thing usually works so no one bothers to try to do something better
Some day a popular NPM package will depend on it and then someone will spend 5 minutes fuzz testing it, find a bunch of security exploits, own webpack or something, and we'll all lament the lack of maintenance on core open source tooling
slim nymph
might be able to speed windows up by patching it on linux then rsyncing entire git dir ๐
@olive marlin we cant do that because we want to keep them all as separate git commits
so unless your smarter than git, cant improve it
limber knotBOT
Oh right, you use git to apply the patches during the build, right?
olive marlin
git am --3way --ignore-whitespace "${DIR}/"*.patch, roughly.
So yeah, git will apply them all as separate commits.
limber knotBOT
Do you build often enough that Windows sucking so bad at this is slowing you down?
olive marlin
I don't use Windows.
It was just a random idea.
When I have vanilla decompiled, it takes:
real 0m11.749s
user 0m12.672s
sys 0m3.047s
Together with compilation it takes
real 1m47.654s
user 3m59.391s
sys 0m18.125s
It's a laptop CPU @ 1.90GHz, so it'll be slow, but it's not awful.
limber knotBOT
I thought I'd time how long a Paper build takes me, I forgot I've done literally nothing with Java on this system yet
I installed openjdk 11, maven, and that's it
So the build is downloading all the dependencies from various maven repos which is most of the time :P
slim nymph
i dont even have windows ๐ i have no issues with patch/rebuild times
fallen oracle
So I know I just reinstalled my PC but I might have go do it again. My Linux isn't on a SSD and it is taking wayyy to long to boot. Windows takes about 8 seconds from touching the power button. Linux is around 2 minutes.
vestal jasper
I have windows, I just switch to linux when patching
limber knotBOT
Linux didn't even take 2 minutes for me like 10 years ago on a HDD
And since then they've optimized the boot more
ashen cliff
WSL.
fallen oracle
Yeah I'm not really sure
limber knotBOT
Although some of the HDD optimizations may have been dropped since no one cares about them anymore :P
fallen oracle
What I might do though is give like 50GB of my boot NVME to Linux and then mount storage drives on for everything else.
ashen cliff
Could just be waiting for something to timeout.
limber knotBOT
The main one for that though was a tool that would read what files were used on boot, try to position them all together on disk, then the first step of the boot would be to read all those files so they'd be in the page cache
SInce HDD isn't awful at sequential reads but basically dies when you spam small random reads
btw I don't think applying patches was even 5 seconds for me
fallen oracle
The 2 minutes for compiling on Windows was the /paper jar
limber knotBOT
Actually it's probably a tie between running tests and generating the final binary patch paperclip or whatever it's called applies to a freshly downloaded vanilla server
slim nymph
oh yeah paperclips slow as hell, i dont do that shit
fallen oracle
Oh?
limber knotBOT
mvn package -DskipTests=true
fallen oracle
Smh just click allow parallel runs and it'll go faster /s
slim nymph
thats not what that does lol
fallen oracle
Hence the /s
limber knotBOT
But that command doesn't apply patches and such, you're just rebuilding the already patched version
Which makes sense when you're actually working on the thing
fallen oracle
Yeah, I do the /paper rebuild first
limber knotBOT
Seriously, you have ./paper make bacon as an alias for ./paper jar?
slim nymph
lol
man this next builds gonna be nice to see on my server and not dog slow test server/pc
ive got 33 tickets delaying the spiral out more so farther chunks wont choke the queues as fast and if players moving hopefully some will be aborted
spiral out slower i mean
limber knotBOT
RIP my spiral
slim nymph
mojang screwed your spiral ages ago
but it is pretty much a spiral though
it adds tickets based on distance to player
but im making it fancier to delay ones behind player more
limber knotBOT
btw after I patched things to run with -DskipTests=true running ./paper build (which isn't documented) gets me real 1m18.750s
slim nymph
yeah i only recently added build because fuck jar
limber knotBOT
Do you have something in there configured for it to use 4 cores for maven-compiler-plugin? https://irc.probablycoding.com/uploads/084e609b2edc46c6/image.png
slim nymph
odd, nothing is telling mvn to run parallel by default
void void
limber knotBOT
Adding -T 2C explicitly doesn't make it use any more but it does make it spit out giant warnings about one of the plugins you use not supporting that so maybe breaking
slim nymph
maybe the tests are parallel?
sullen haven
safe cedar
sharp sentinel
Lmao does spigot subscribe you to any resource you download
quartz peak
Anyone against using Aternos for hosting? Only reason why I donโt use it is due to not allowing dynmap plugin. Which I donโt know why.
sharp sentinel
Downloaded one for my test server and now Iโm getting notified about every update
limber knotBOT
yep
quartz peak
Yes to me or Me4502?
limber knotBOT
to me4; it's reasonable enough to be auto-subscribed, but I'd also appreciate a setting to disable that
if you for some reason can't pay for a server, aternos is fine
void void
Im gonna make my own custom server jar for making a optimised anarchy server but want to implement the Paper API into it. How do i do this?
quartz peak
If they supported dynmap I would use it but they donโt and donโt understand why wonโt let you use it.
waxen panther
.byof
limber knotBOT
Template for building your own fork of Paper - based on Aikar's fork - https://github.com/electronicboy/byof
void void
Thank
But anyways is there anyone who wants to help me make anarchy optimisation?
Like new chunks dont really lag the server
limber knotBOT
isn't a free server a bit nicer than not using dynmap? lol
quartz peak
Nvrm found my answer why aternos wonโt allow it. โDynmap won't be added because servers share the same IP address. Dynmap runs on port 8080 by default, and when everyone uses that port, there will be problems.โ
void void
Why do you need dynmap anyways?
You could basically build a bot account and a website that the bot travels everywhere
quartz peak
Locate players mainly. Friend recommended it. Liked it so Iโm using it.
void void
Well
Dynmap sucks tbh
@waxen panther I dont see a documentation on byof it hasent any instructions
quartz peak
Canโt use the other map thing. Since that is a forge mod.
void void
you mean my idea?
sharp sentinel
Having a bot travel everywhere sounds super dumb
void void
Just like i mean make a bot that has or hasent op but has a elytra and a elytrafly hack
it would be a topdown view
sharp sentinel
Why do that when you can do what dynmap does lol
void void
@waxen panther I dont see a documentation on byof it hasent any instructions
@void void
vestal jasper
byof, and patching, assumes you have some knowledge on git and shell scripts
when in doubt reference
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md
and reference other forks to see how they do things
there's no step by step tutorial, if you need one you're not likely to get very far anyway
void void
Im just tryna like copy the Paper Custom Jar but add the new chunk optimisation
Thats my goal
vestal jasper
just use paper then?
void void
Well
If alot of people load new chunks in the same time the TPS will drop alot
So my goal is optimising that
vestal jasper
good luck
waxen panther
vestal jasper
You're not even on step one and your goal is at the top of a mountain
void void
Well
vestal jasper
It's not impossible but aikar and leaf have already spend a fuckton of time on chunks
vestal jasper
simpler doesn't always mean performant
waxen panther
if you do actually increase chunk performance you should be PR'ing them to paper too, not making your own fork
vestal jasper
Another issue is that the changes you're proposing may very well break behaviour.
waxen panther
wdym use a code optimiser?
void void
idk
waxen panther
void void
maybe like google how to make Java code more optimised?
waxen panther
vestal jasper
I don't mean to dissuade you but I personally doubt you have the experience required to make robust improvements currently
I don't even and I've spent some time with this stuff
void void
I dont like Java
vestal jasper
void void
i gogoled sh&t and i got these answers:
Start With Minimum Heap Allocation.
Make Use of Java Performance Tools.
Use a StringBuilder Rather Than the + Operator.
Avoid Using Iterator.
Have Better Concurrency Control.```is this helpful by any chance?
vestal jasper
I hope you realise leaf and aikar are on a few levels above googling how to better performance
void void
Well true
but those are some ideas?
you could fork Paper and atleast try some of these
waxen panther
theres nothing to be tried
waxen panther
Because the things you listed are incredibly obvious
and are already done / being done
void void
it was the top search
vestal jasper
Because you haven't actually proposed anything, you've made vague statements about how you think things can be improved but none of them are actionable
waxen panther
clearly
void void
why dont you simplify some of the code too then?
waxen panther
vic just... make the code better
void void
waxen panther
it's that easy
vestal jasper
Because it's a difficult task that isn't as simple as "just do it".
void void
God this would be easier if minecraft wasent Java
waxen panther
vestal jasper
That's a redundant statement, "mc is in java therefore bad" is a meaningless point
The problem isn't java whatsoever
It's how it's used
void void
Java is outdated unoptimised and stuff
spiral garden
performance tanked because of Mojang's heavy use of streams (along other things of course)
void void
Yes
spiral garden
and obviously paper can't make changes that could possibly break vanilla behaviour
void void
But maybe make it simpler
vestal jasper
Before I lose more braincells reading your google'd buzzwords and rhetoric I'm going to leave.
void void
maybe by making a test fork first
waxen panther
stop just saying 'make it simpler'
limber knotBOT
I mean, a lot of the problem is Java :P
void void
amaranth i agree
spiral garden
go work for mojang and make it "simpler"
void void
Like use less use of streams
vestal jasper
PR the change then
limber knotBOT
Like, you can write something as slow in C++ if you heap allocate everything explicitly and use virtuals for everything, that's what MCPE started as
spiral garden
that would break how the game behaves
vestal jasper
If it's simple, do it. Stop wasting our time, fork Paper, make the changes, and PR them
twin lagoon
literally just woke up and i already want to die because of this chat
limber knotBOT
But fast code in Java is usually not nice code to read
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spiral garden
@twin lagoon same
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just rewrite mc in rust
void void
No, because i havent once used java as a coding language myself.
waxen panther
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/Spigot-Server-Patches/0464-Remove-streams-from-Mob-AI-System.patch
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/Spigot-Server-Patches/0471-Remove-streams-from-PairedQueue.patch
Thats crazy because it's almost like the devs know that streams are bad mask
vestal jasper
cool so you quite literally do not have any experience in the fields you're trying to educate others on
void void
Okay imma code the entire goddamn minecraft server jar in Rust or Dark
vestal jasper
bye
limber knotBOT
void void
there was one in NodeJS once
waxen panther
Ah yes
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i'm kinda sad for feather's current state
spiral garden
nodejs ๐
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i wish it had based its world gen off something better than glowstone; caves suck ass in it :/
limber knotBOT
And someone revived steven
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oh no
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void void
Welp gonna write a server in NodeJS since i am best at tht
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so appears reading wasnt his strong suit ๐
limber knotBOT
steven is multiplatform?
exotic crest
waxen panther
wen eta Minecraft server in Deno
limber knotBOT
That's not a server
waxen panther
that just runs the vanilla server lol
void void
Well damn gotta find another one cuz i know there actualyl was one
waxen panther
spiral garden
limber knotBOT
void void
is the stevenarella thing actually what im looking for?
waxen panther
No
void void
lol
waxen panther
Because itโs not as easy as just โrewrite the serverโ
Itโs a huge project that hundreds have tried and failed at
void void
I know kid
void void
Yeah ofc since i suck at Java since it sucks
delicate girder
twin lagoon
why would you think optimizing performance is as easy as some java optimization article
waxen panther
Programming is programming, I just donโt think youโre very experienced in any of it
void void
Fuck you Broccolai
twin lagoon
void void
I am expert at nodejs
twin lagoon
ok
waxen panther
Sure
void void
Fuck you too Michael
twin lagoon
love you too babe
void void
I said fuck you
vestal jasper
lol
waxen panther
vestal jasper
retard shows his true colours
we don't humor his ideas so he gets hostile
"expert at nodejs" imagine having that on your resume
limber knotBOT
Weird everytime I try saying something I lost my connection
vestal jasper
also imagine having node.js as your primary programming tool and thinking you're the god of optimizations
limber knotBOT
Not something in general, like a specific something
void void
Vicarious fuck you too
waxen panther
Vicarious fuck you too
waxen panther
Iโm an expert YAMLer
limber knotBOT
glowstone isn't successful and I'd argue is very obviously tainted
Bukkit may or may not have code that is bascially copy/paste from mc-dev with better variables and formatting
limber knotBOT
Glowstone uses Bukkit so...
twin lagoon
we do not need java or json
spiral garden
what if I like TOML better
twin lagoon
no fuck you
waxen panther
He blocked me lmfao
spiral garden
lol
twin lagoon
fuck you too broccolai
inland sable
spiral garden
i think I'm behind with the times
waxen panther
fuck you too Micheal, please rewrite java with simple code
spiral garden
since I have almost zero knowledge of JS
limber knotBOT
yaml might actually be the worst thing to use for config files
waxen panther
50000x more performances
vestal jasper
gleaming rivet
anyone running "Plan" that would like to tell me about their experience with it lag wise?
twin lagoon
YAML has to be the most confusing thing sometimes
limber knotBOT
No one has a full featured spec compliant yaml parser
It's, like, not a thing
The spec is too complicated
vestal jasper
imagine using yaml
and trying to escape single quotes
and fucking realising to escape single quotes you fucking double it
gleaming rivet
@gleaming rivet it's fine
funny enough it isn't on my server, 50% cpu usage, gc every 1.6s with 22gb xD
limber knotBOT
Also the latest version of YAML is defined as a superset of JSON so it got even more complicated
gleaming rivet
.>
twin lagoon
i've had complaints about plan performance
vestal jasper
'you can''t escape them without doubling them. \ doesn''t work'
twin lagoon
just use serverstatistics w/ your own influxdb & grafana page
features the important statistics
gleaming rivet
i have more ram, but i don't think its gonna solve it Viper...
vestal jasper
HOCON or bust
spiral garden
after the first subsection it falls apart
limber knotBOT
Did YAML support double quotes before it turned in to a JSON superset? I don't even remember anymore
spiral garden
i hate that no YAML implementation supports comments properly
limber knotBOT
TOML is basically just what everyone was doing with INI but with a spec
spiral garden
you save the file through code, comments are gone
limber knotBOT
That's normal for everything
limber knotBOT
It took a few years for Rust to get a crate that can round trip TOML after they adopted it as their config language
spiral garden
apparently it has stuff missing so they didn't add it to configurate
idk what's up with that
sponge's config api
i wanted to use it but I'm a retard
waxen panther
configurate is epic
spiral garden
and couldn't ever figure out how to make it work how I wanted it to
void void
Can someone make a Minecraft C++ client?
void void
link?
potent fossil
lol
inland sable
retards:
- Mr.Mask#5901
Bruuh
waxen panther
bro just make a minecraft server in ASM
waxen panther
wtf r u doing
void void
{
"Retards": {
"YAML Programmer"
}
}
YAML > HTML > JSON
twin lagoon
lol
void void
kid idc
inland sable
JSON "Expert" tries to write out valid json 3 times and fails.
This is why YAML is the superior language
twin lagoon
waxen panther
kid idc
void void
Hahahaha
cosmic totem
void void
Welcome to hell
vestal jasper
catches chip and eats it
inland sable
It's only hell for filthy JSON users
potent fossil
i fucking hate you all
void void
Someone rewrite mc in C++?
potent fossil
cuberite
void void
not the server the client
waxen panther
ur stupid
potent fossil
https://github.com/axus/libmc--c
https://www.planetminecraft.com/project/new-c-driven-minecraft-client-461392/
https://github.com/jrupac/minecraft-opengl
they're all half implemented and abandoned
have fun
twin lagoon
potent fossil
vestal jasper
you're digging your own grave
void void
Why?
potent fossil
This one is actually the most feature-complete of any of them and it's in Rust
which is a better C++ https://github.com/iceiix/stevenarella
still not up to date tho
1.15.1
LMAO
this is amazing
ok magiccap
thorny totem
666 commits 
https://i.qcfb.ca/20200530054756.png
granite salmon
Thatโs why itโs not up to date
thorny totem
๐
granite salmon
itโs perfect as it is
potent fossil
i loaded the client but i couldn't log in
so idk how it looks in game
but ye, works
slim nymph
You can say I was a bit behind https://github.com/starlis/empirecraft/commit/89ac825b2e0162f67204a5295c5bde691e66f38b
potent fossil
not bad
slim nymph
man that chunk loading speed
i can fly at max speed and it keeps up even on my servers cpu which is an older E3 1270 v5
sharp crane
waxen panther
void void
pliant garnet
jagged warren
cosmic goblet
carmine owl
potent fossil
hmm
waxen panther
oh no
vestal jasper
Michael ur retarded
Wiz loves giraffes, duh
waxen panther
is it wiz's birthday though 
vestal jasper
I guess so
vestal jasper
Fuck you @twin lagoon
waxen panther
Fuck you too @twin lagoon
twin lagoon
Rewrite Java
limber knotBOT
yeah fuck you michael
waxen panther
@ aikar pls fix paper with new java information
limber knotBOT
did you mean brrr?
waxen panther
i did in fact mean brrr
twin lagoon
.g java optimization tips and tricks
limber knotBOT
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twin lagoon
should follow that
limber knotBOT
I bet mojang didnt know beforehand either
void void
lmao
vestal jasper
Is the guy still in here?
limber knotBOT
yeah youre still here, sadly
limber knotBOT
ah yes, that guy
waxen panther
vestal jasper
Him
vestal jasper
Mr retard
waxen panther
Mr.PerformanceGod
peak dirge
I have joined the party
waxen panther
a challenger approaches
void void
mfw
worn ember
what'd he do
waxen panther
no RiscV
vestal jasper
Oof
waxen panther
vestal jasper
Well risc is uh. An option.
At least it's not x86_64. Shits way too big brain for me.
I'll stay in x86_16 land
waxen panther
lol
I've never done riscv asm it was a joke
only PIC16F88 asm and uh
i don't even know the name of the other one we did
some generic asm bs
vestal jasper
I've only done x86_16. Osdev.
heady spear
lel
waxen panther
You're seeing more paper people because more people use paper
sharp sentinel
I'm packing stuff into moving boxes as I'm moving on Friday, and wow it's amazing how much stuff people collect over a year
vestal jasper
He thinks paper has more issues so each paper issue he sees weighs more in his mind than spigot issues he sees
sharp sentinel
Like all useful stuff I can't just get rid of
There's just so much stuff people need in general
waxen panther
I'm starting to organise my stuff to move now
Not sure if my monitor is going to fit on my uni dorms desk
sharp sentinel
I'm moving into a larger place so I don't need to worry about that ๐
Although it has really tiny wardrobes so I'm scared that I won't be able to fit my clothing ๐
Especially seeing as I've recently been ordering a lot more clothing
void void
just go through and see what clothes you actually wear
waxen panther
I don't have a wardrobe atm :p
my uni room will, i just have 3 chests of drawers here
void void
drawers are usually enough, don't really need a wardrobe do you
unless ur wearing fancy suits or smthin
waxen panther
my suit hangs on the back of my door bc im lazy
peak dirge
oh, that Bobcat00 guy is a fucking meme
vagrant niche
Ur a meme
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you know, back in my day, we wrote bukkit plugins in assembly! that's what you get with 40 years of experience as a bobcat nought nought, and the numbers sum up to my iq!
ashen cliff
sharp sentinel
assembly isn't a language ๐
waxen panther
shh
vagrant niche
It's a lifestyle
wide chasm
It's hell
flat nacelle
olive garden
it's our lord and saviour
void void
ah i remember that
pulsar wigeon
tf is going on here today
sharp sentinel
I got turned into a carrot
Also - where do people download schematics from
Like when they want to add a castle or whatever to their world
pulsar wigeon
.g schematic downloads
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ashen cliff
A yes, another listforge project.
golden gust
.rekt
limber knotBOT
โ DegREKT
fossil urchin
1.8.8 paper get updates?
wide chasm
No
fossil urchin
f
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all of the last updates should get one last to note that nothing should be reported to paper tbh
peak dirge
this thread is gold https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-improving-memory-usage-on-spigot.441638/
cunning raft
only reason it's still up is because there's people shitting on paper
mighty dirge
After setting up bungee and connecting the servers
there isnt /server?
is there something i need to add in the configs?
cunning raft
because there's dozens of kids on the forums who have 10,000 plugins loaded and one of which only works on spigot
Of course the guy with the Einstein quote is the one who doesn't use discord
sharp sentinel
Where do people get these giant schematics that they claim take "10 minutes to paste" with WorldEdit lol
I cannot find one that takes longer than a second
I wanna profile one to see if there's some dumb schematic data that's causing slowdowns
void void
maybe they're world editing tons of sand in
cunning raft
depends how shit the computer is
peak dirge
maybe I should switch to IRC
void void
why?
sharp sentinel
I mean no level of shit computer will go from 1 second to 10 minutes
Unless they're literally operating on remote storage
"Yes my raspberry pi connected via 3G to my AWS S3 bucket is taking 10 minutes to paste"
"Yes, I like my data to be kept for a long time so I'm using tape drives"
fossil urchin
Yes.
golden gust
My trick is that I often just go moronic with worldedit ops
e.g. nothing like a few mill blocks to edit
sharp sentinel
I mean I normally test with 100 mill stone blocks
But people claim that schematics significantly smaller are significantly slower
So my assumption was some block types are slower than others
golden gust
would schematics from the older format be relevant, or, just spongies?
sharp sentinel
Nah they're translated at load time
golden gust
ah, yea, worse case I could just resave
I'll try and have a look later at my collection, I have some fucking crazy schematics lying around somewhere
sharp sentinel
Only thing I'm noticing is that lighting seems to increase at a faster rate than everything else
Eg, for 100k blocks lighting may be 10%, but for 1 million blocks it'll be 20%
Actually, no - lighting seems to increase at a much faster rate when more columns are added
Not necessarily more blocks
pulsar wigeon
yea, light is calc'd each time col is updated
i think octy mentioned something about reversing our order transversal top->bottom maybe
dont remember
sharp sentinel
Yeah, but no new findings here, schematics / complex builds seem to be just as fast as giant cubes of stone
calm portal
magic ice
oh so this is the new trend now
void void
holy crap thats fast
This is more than enough
wait what
how
lemme try again
yep 0ms ping apparenlty
wtf
its connecting to new york as well, i'm in uk
limber knotBOT
their ping check sometimes breaks ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
void void
shame, i was hoping for 0 ping
waxen panther
who is in charge of the forums
i have an extremely important and vital bug to report
limber knotBOT
waxen panther
Thatโs the whole paper team
I was semi joking anyway, very small issue
In the advanced tutorial the bot wants you to make a poll but I donโt have perms too
void void
rekt
waxen panther
twin lagoon
@still smelt discourse
potent relic
twin lagoon
"what forum engine"
waxen panther
what forum engine does Paper use?
@still smelt
limber knotBOT
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waxen panther
As a poorly programmed human, I relate
void void
also discourse is written in fucking ruby, absolute cancer
cedar spade
do I have permission to yell at whoever decided ShareX should default to randomised file names instead of date formatted ones
cedar spade
why
void void
idk
cedar spade
fine if you're uploading all your screenshots automatically, but I don't
void void
mhm
void void
ur just out of date
cedar spade
It doesn't on my laptop, I just installed it on my new PC and it does now
worn ember
maybe you should
cedar spade
Why tf would you not want to know when you took your screenshots
limber knotBOT
it probably just doesn't overwrite existing configs which is good, lol
cedar spade
I can't find a config setting to go back either
limber knotBOT
I mean, file creation times exist 
cedar spade
effort
limber knotBOT
worn ember
fleet osprey