which arm do you got
#general
stiff yarrow
void void
time to steal vic's kot
stiff yarrow
I don't think my monitors collectively weigh more than 10 pounds
void void
Nossr how do you use that last monitor if it's so far away
void void
I meant cos its at the corner of visiom
left swift
Just turn ur head towards it
void void
I can't speak English today clearly
with a mouse
bruh
I use my monitors speakers, can't notice any bad quality
First time I saw a super ultrawide it nearly blinded me
slim nymph
dat counts
stiff yarrow
@void void idk anyone who looks at all monitors simultaneously, you just turn your head a slight amount
formal turret
more entities than tile entities?
tropic flame
I don't understand how programming got so "high level" that we literally use web languages to design desktop apps that run in a literal browser instance
hollow iris
worthy zenith
and there is enough resources that they don't have to care about efficiency.
void void
And it lowers the barrier to entry
not necessarily a good thing
slim nymph
its honestly a good thing in the long run. web ui works great for presenting an interface. it just sucks right now because the deployment is not optimized.
in the future, JS can be compiled to WASM and run with a much lighter weight runtime
slim nymph
and the UI layer can be transpiled to a native rendering layer
see: React-Native
we just haven't reached that point yet
latent valve
Z just use IE
tropic flame
starts up another instance of chrome
chrome is how my computer will look like once my CPU starts to fly
void void
High level and optimized, witch talk
tropic flame
Why didn't web developers colonize the Americas?
Because they were scared of the natives.
ba dum tss
upper flicker
lol that's verging on dad joke
void void
Not a bad joke
wide chasm
Some might say it's decent.
void void
Joke crown hails to xkcd comics obv
raw falcon
warm mesa
Aikar, I was overruled on removing the tick-limiter from FAWE. It is going to be disabled by default instead.
restive zealot
granite salmon
Fast Async World Error
shell shadow
@blazing nebula yes
void void
Greens my fave colour, not sure what you're talking about
blazing nebula
is that my little pony?
unreal quarry
i pick blue
limber knotBOT
playing GTA v smh
unreal quarry
runs away
limber knotBOT
@slim nymph okay but what about javascript being a bad language that we all got stuck with
unreal quarry
looks pretty dumb to me
slim nymph
thats fixed through tooling
unreal quarry
glad i dont play gta anymore
limber knotBOT
i agree about us kind of being in the awkward years of web ui packaging though that's a good point
upper flicker
I stopped playing gta online a long time ago
slim nymph
typeskript, kotlin, w/e
upper flicker
its really only fun when they had all the unlimited money hacks
slim nymph
dart
upper flicker
without it, its basically just a giant grind to annoy you into paying real money for game money and buying things that cost way too much so the cycle can repeat
limber knotBOT
I can't wait to be able to start web dev when they they finally moved away from the whole HTML and JS mess, lol
ig that's fair, i'm kind of apprehensive about how much is built on top of hacks like that though
slim nymph
move away? its not moving away lol
olive marlin
Gopher?
limber knotBOT
oh people are trying to, just needs widespread browser support
slim nymph
it wont happen
even google gave up dart
if google isnt gonna do it, its not happening
limber knotBOT
I mean, it will. html and js isn't suited for applications nor augment/virtual reality so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
thats not true
upper flicker
maybe google will try and push it in as some sort of standard
limber knotBOT
of course there will be legacy support for a loooong time but yeah
upper flicker
like their other garbage standards
slim nymph
nothing about that statement is true
limber knotBOT
do people still use emscripten for stuff?
frigid vector
limber knotBOT
building applications in html (a specification designed for status packges) is just insane and inefficient af
*static pages, lol
slim nymph
js is complete language, you put any bindings you need in their for native support. add in WASM
upper flicker
can we replace it with a decent language instead though
slim nymph
no, not really, you can build blazingly fast apps with it
people write shitty code yes
you can write shitty code in any language
limber knotBOT
tell that to the 10 year old PC of my parents, lmao
upper flicker
is typescript decent or does it need to bloat the code so far its not worth
limber knotBOT
or the 20 year old of my grandma
slim nymph
its decent, its near java
upper flicker
idk why Im asking i dont care at all about webdev
limber knotBOT
i'd argue the more tooling you need to make js a usable language, the harder it's going to be to keep it running fast enough even with wasm
slim nymph
you can even write C -> WASM
limber knotBOT
just give me a proper renderer instead of this "rendering to html" shit
yea i was wondering if people still did that
slim nymph
css and html is just a presentational instruction set
celest coyote
Js is shit just because it's so easy to write shit code
slim nymph
the browsers dom is whats slow
celest coyote
Ts improves it significantly but it can only do so much
slim nymph
React has proven you can improve that by reducing browser dom ops
take out browser dom, compile react to say GTK instead, bam fast ui w/ a web tech
limber knotBOT
so you are agreeing that HTML should be taken out of the equation for rendering? :P
slim nymph
the runtime is the issue, the runtimes can evolve
limber knotBOT
okay but why are you using react in the first place at that point? i see no advantage anymore besides that it's just fashion
slim nymph
no, html is an instruction set, youstill use html in react
react is a beautiful way to compose UI's
its so damn elegant
limber knotBOT
I have nothing against using html at the placeces where it mages sense
celest coyote
Theres nothing wrong with html
limber knotBOT
I just don't believe that it makes sense to go "your own custom formatting set/objects" -> javascript -> render it to html
celest coyote
The issue is js doesnt buffer dom manipulation
limber knotBOT
-> render it on your os
slim nymph
React -> JSX/HTML/CSS is an instruction set on what to compose and how it looks
how that transpiles to render is what can change
limber knotBOT
I just want to have the middle step removed ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim nymph
instead of a browser dom, it can be a native renderer
react has literally already done this for mobile
celest coyote
The only thing worse than js is css
slim nymph
itl lcome to desktop eventually
celest coyote
God I hate web frameworks
limber knotBOT
well and I'm waiting for that "eventually", that's all I'm saying ¯_(ツ)_/¯
on one hand i've never had a good time designing ui with these frameworks but on the other hand i've never had a good time designing ui period
slim nymph
as i said initially. the tech stacks are fine, we are just in a sucky transition state
@still smelt when you work in a type enforced environment like flow/ts/dart etc, those issues become non issues
limber knotBOT
celest coyote
Ts isn't a framework idk about the others
limber knotBOT
i think i just don't like having ten ecosystems i have to intersect with to make js usable
slim nymph
dart is its own language near clone of java
limber knotBOT
just compile java to js 
slim nymph
well, stop thinking of it as using JS lol, in the end you hopefully arent writing JS
well kotlin does compile to js
so you can use that
but have fun with any js lib support
limber knotBOT
is kotlin still ugly because i haven't used it in years
celest coyote
I have been wanting to try out blazor
slim nymph
thats what took me away from dart
celest coyote
Pure C# goodness
limber knotBOT
computer programming is bad send tweet
so can you just write java code in kotlin and compile that to JS? 
slim nymph
well, write "kotlin code"
i dont think its appropriate to say "write java in kotlin"
you just cant use any jdk api of course unless kotlin has some js runtime equiv for it
limber knotBOT
well I heard you can use kotlin in the same way you write java code (without the bullshit shortening and stuff)
I just really hate how non-verbose kotlin is, lol
so that means it's kotlin but no annotations, reflection, etc?
cunning raft
does DiscordSRV do that too?
stiff yarrow
I just really hate how non-verbose kotlin is, lol never thought I'd see someone miss Java verbosity
limber knotBOT
I like being able to read code without an IDE
cunning raft
^^
weak crow
limber knotBOT
i've started wondering while lying in bed at night about trying to learn rust again
the quarantine is getting to me
upper flicker
You should
limber knotBOT
are you trying to kill me
upper flicker
No I luv u
But that’s what I’d be doing
Or teaching myself to play piano finally
limber knotBOT
valid
i thought about something like that but my whole family i'm with now is musicians and they'll get judgemental
upper flicker
I have some other musical experience but I never really learned how to play piano and it makes me sad
vestal jasper
Z pls that avatar
upper flicker
I know how to play chords and what not but not really play
I set this before you set yours
upper flicker
Lol
limber knotBOT
i can play scales and chords on the piano but like. that's it
upper flicker
You actually can’t give yourself the nitro booster role
limber knotBOT
i took lessons when i was a really little kid but gave up very quickly
upper flicker
Otherwise I’d do that and change my nick for ultimate confusion
limber knotBOT
there's a chance i might have to become a car person when i get a cheapo car in the next few weeks
potent fossil
greetings Z and Vic
waxen panther
too much 
waxen panther
potent fossil
LDRs suck fellas. I haven't seen my fiance in over a year and now covid is going to make it 2 years.
thank you covid
mvp
celest coyote
look at this Z guy
upper flicker
There we go, we are now full on cats
celest coyote
not even boosting his own server
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z what is your profile picture
thick iron
ur mum
upper flicker
Is cat
Tbh idk if I have the old one saved on this
I have 14TBs of taco storage down stairs
More on elsewhere
upper flicker
Seems to have worked out okay for you though
merry talon
edge just took my focus away from a form I was typing in to try to get me to import bookmarks
fuck off
limber knotBOT
that does seem like a you problem
merry talon
when i use chrome my employer's site gets royally fucked up
oh wait it also does on edge
they want me to use
internet explorer
upper flicker
Is it new edge or old edge
limber knotBOT
do you work for the government
upper flicker
Because new edge is chrome
merry talon
don't know tbh
upper flicker
And old edge is... decent ish as long as the site isn’t weird
limber knotBOT
because if you don't work for the government you should quit\
upper flicker
So if its corporate lol its weird
midnight pier
limber knotBOT
I heard we are doing cats
potent fossil
you weren't invited phoenix
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mfw filthy irc users
upper flicker
Yeah that’s old edge
upper flicker
Tbh it seemed to work okay on stuff that was just the base html5 spec
But how many sites actually follow the spec lol
And then there’s google’s never ending fight to make all their stuff shittier on everything not-chrome
lament patio
Is DDG Browser a thing for desktop? For Android Ik it is
limber knotBOT
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potent fossil
no
merry talon
my employer's benefits site
is like iframes within iframes within iframes
with 10 million <tr> elements
and ajax seemingly
merry talon
the sad part is we're relatively progressive in the industry
potent fossil
sounds very progressive
merry talon
retail
potent fossil
was that not you
merry talon
idfk
potent fossil
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wait you're not vic
thick iron
stop using discord : )
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you're using discord
potent fossil
^
lament patio
I'm still using the version without the rounded stuff, I refuse to update
limber knotBOT
<DiscordBot> <Hex> stop using discord : )
lament patio
Everything works fine so
limber knotBOT
fuk off i'll ban you
oh yeah sure
fucking half ops
think they're something
Zoidberg: kickban Streamfrost
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reeeeee
upper flicker
Rofl
limber knotBOT
wow that's actually a thing
upper flicker
“What are you going to do, stab me?” - Man right before he was stabbed
merry talon
well I mean technically my job is manual labour
limber knotBOT
a ban isn't a ban if it gets reverted
so I'm fine
All bans are bans, even when reverted
no
All reverted bans can be brought back
oh yeah sure
All users who were never banned, can just be banned
potent fossil
that heavy heavy shelf restocking manual labor
limber knotBOT
that's what i tried to tell the manager at dollar tree but he didn't buy it
really its best to just think of everyone as banned
your philosophy is riddled with holes
so many in fact there's barely any left
You’re a cancerous leaf, you’re all holes and brown spots
like your brain
and weird growths
.g cancerous leaf
fallen oracle
Look at all those chickens
limber knotBOT
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see even that article agrees with me, you're retarded
You don’t know what half the words in that article mean
wanna bet
is that article about putting leaf juice on tits because that's what it looks like
potent fossil
I'm better than leaf, I don't know what 75% of the words in that article mean
higher number better
limber knotBOT
He’s got you there
lower number better in this case
if you can get down to z's braincell count you can probably figure out the article
limber knotBOT
Wow that’s good
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you guys are retarded
limber knotBOT
the only fun part of golf is drinking and driving the cart so any way to extend that time is the real big brain move
waxen panther
fallen oracle
waxen panther
limber knotBOT
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you've added one before
upper flicker
Yeah I still regret it
fallen oracle
Rip mobile
waxen panther
im gunna do it
fallen oracle
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perfect
fallen oracle
Lol
vital jacinth
tropic flame
Wait I'm reading the chat of 20 mins ago, is Streamfrost spottedleaf or am I confusing
Oh nvm
craggy veldt
limber knotBOT
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craggy veldt
limber knotBOT
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craggy veldt
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craggy veldt
am i abusing
fading widget
potent fossil
do you want to be abusing ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tropic flame
I guess since we're in a "sharing videos" kind of vibe
limber knotBOT
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craggy veldt
ill be doing this rn ^
potent fossil
please thanks
limber knotBOT
Reminder for @upper flicker: https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/538593236902608907.gif
potent fossil
ok
tropic flame
"yall" personally sending one single video ain't spamming but go off I guess
LMAO
I'm just playin
potent fossil
ok
tropic flame
ok
limber knotBOT
Reminder for DiscordBot: at-everyone nuke time
upper flicker
Ah yes I see we’re a month past that now
potent fossil
i just realized some great news about my discord ban
the reminders for the next 12 years about magmaguy's birthday will no longer be sent to me
they'll be sent to the deleted account
void void
spark bear
slim trench
waxen panther
ancient bolt
wow harsh
upper flicker
ah yes, thank you home internet Operation too slow. Less than 1 bytes/sec transferred the last 10 seconds
ancient bolt
using it in rust is fun https://gist.github.com/DemonWav/6c588be8560a6ae572c01da2143b9a16
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god damn it demon 
ancient bolt
tbh if I were to do the same thing in C it would look a lot more 
I'm using a few nice abstractions in that snippet that reduce it by quite a lot
it's just the reality that calling java methods from native code isn't fun 😦
ancient bolt
yeah that's why I prefer ArnoldC
waxen panther
simple star
warm mesa
So I'm setting up my new desktop I got. Does it matter if I install my JDK on my HDD or SSD?
warm mesa
I knew it makes a difference for installing an OS and frequently used programs. I wasn't sure about SDK's though.
stiff yarrow
I just use HDD for backups and don't run anything off it
your PC will read randomly from an SSD like 55x faster than an HDD
warm mesa
I only have a 500GB SSD. I don't want everything on it.
stiff yarrow
so keep that in mind
thick iron
i mean you just have to think about what you need fast reads from
stiff yarrow
JDK is small I wouldn't worry about it
warm mesa
True. Most of my repos are probably going to be on the hard drive anyways.
thick iron
when you're running a performance-sensitive java program you shouldn't be bottlenecking at loading jdk classes, and if you keep your repos on the hard drive there's no reason to have your jdk on the ssd anyways
warm mesa
The non-important ones at least.
thick iron
your ide indexing will be the only operation impacted by that i'd guess
stiff yarrow
you'll compile stuff faster if its on an SSD but it really doesn't matter too much as its not a race
I like my shit to go fast so I dump it all on SSD
currently at 240/250GB used on my SSD for dev'an
warm mesa
I am terrible at disk read and write stuff when it comes to hardware. It's the reason my first laptop purchase was a waste of money.
limber knotBOT
I have my local maven repo as well as all the intellij cache stuff on the ssd
stiff yarrow
this day and age you want to run apps/os off SSD tbh
limber knotBOT
would take ages otherwise
stiff yarrow
HDD is basically just for backups imo
limber knotBOT
I use it to store games that I don't play as much ¯_(ツ)_/¯
but well, nowadays reodwnloading them is actually faster than copying them to the SSD, lol
warm mesa
IntelliJ cache is a concern of mine. I probably have more than 1GB of IntelliJ cache on my Surface Pro 4.
thick iron
my desktop only has 128g for ssd space so it's windows and a few games and that's it
warm mesa
I'll have to tune it a bit.
limber knotBOT
stiff yarrow
I have 2 SSDs one for windows one for linux, but I ordered a third recently since managing 250GB on an SSD sucks
fallen oracle
Yeah my laptop is a Surface Pro 3. It's interesting to work on IJ with that
My desktop thrives with IJ though.
stiff yarrow
I switched cases and decided not to put my HDD in the new case since I barely touch anything I put on it anyways and the HDD is ancient and probably on its death bed
waxen panther
my hdd just has my 400GBs of skyrim mods 
fallen oracle
Yikes
stiff yarrow
people like this probably have kids
warm mesa
Glare, my Surface Pro 3 almost overheated using IntelliJ and only IntelliJ. I eventually had to convince my local Microsoft store to let me upgrade it since I had so many issues with it. The fan made a revving sound if it was running and I was using it as a tablet.
waxen panther
my boss is a conspiracy theorist
so are all my coworkers
hurts my soul reading the work chat
stiff yarrow
conspiracy theorism is a mental disorder
warm mesa
My theory: COVID-19 is not real and this is all a computer simulation.
limber knotBOT
I mean, we are trapped inside a brain so how would we know what's real?
warm mesa
All the people that "died" actually leveled up.
Maybe injecting bleach like trump said is a cheat code 😮
stiff yarrow
btw ff7 remake is great
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covid-19 is probably fake tbh
all those 5g towers just beam incorrect memories into your head
and the people who installed them didn't know what they were doing thanks to vaccines
and something about chemicals in the water turning frogs gay
idk how that part connects but it does trust me
pulsar wigeon
imagine all the chemicals in leaf's brain cell
ancient bolt
@stiff yarrow they have a lot of kids
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imagine the lack of chemicals in your brain
stiff yarrow
spotted don't you unironically prefer windows
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by some margin yes
waxen panther
the water gave the frogs covid 18
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if I can feed in ow it's a good OS
shy wraith
fallen oracle
I use it mainly for class
I actually reset it every semester so I can try to get the most out of it
I put Linux on it at one point but I didn't see much battery life improvement
warm anchor
How was battery health after 4 year
fallen oracle
It still works, I typically just use one note and pen to write stuff
I can do about 4 hours of writing on one note without bringing the charger to class
warm anchor
That’s not bad at all
fallen oracle
No it's great for school work
IJ will kill the battery quick tho
But yeah I typically had about 3 hours of classes a day minimum and it's great
ancient bolt
simmer down there kid
stiff yarrow
is this one of those copy pastas
cunning raft
yeah
warm anchor
Lol
ancient bolt
figure I might as well delete it
slim nymph
demons modding, time to change his name color
so, 5hr was gonna take longer to deliver from amazon so i also ordered amazons knock off brand
to get my fix faster
ancient bolt
slim nymph
its not bad, but soooo much cheaper.
cunning raft
ATTENTION DISCORD USERS DO NOT ADD Aikar#0001 ON DISCORD HE WILL HACK YOUR IP ADDRESS AND LEAF YOUR DNS!
pulsar wigeon
slim nymph
so im thinking maybe ill buy this some to save money lol
ancient bolt
Aikar already hacked my heart
slim nymph
well good luck adding me anyways
waxen panther
whats 5hr
potent fossil
"hacker"
pulsar wigeon
it's
warm anchor
If you drink two of those, will it make it last 10 hours? 
slim nymph
actually its about 11 hours
cunning raft
pulsar wigeon
no, you get a heart attack and die
slim nymph
someone did the science/math
pulsar wigeon
unfortunately
pulsar wigeon
i heard you get out of debt free if you die
stiff yarrow
not in china
pulsar wigeon
does it look like simple's in china
warm anchor
Do they trap your soul in China or something
pulsar wigeon
smh my head nossr u 
pulsar wigeon
yea ik
stiff yarrow
time to go vegan or w/e it is celebs do when they have heart attacks
slim nymph
potent fossil
i just ate some red meat and salmon
stiff yarrow
how many lectures did the docs give you before discharge
potent fossil
2
one from the actual MD and one from the nurse
the MD was an asshole but i guess i deserved it
slim nymph
oh its 14 hours
stiff yarrow
doctors are basically dicks if you aren't healthy
they know you're too low in self esteem to fight back
slim nymph
2 5 hours = 14 hours of energy, 9 hours of it being boosted more than a single one
tldr is, caffeine has better return on investment at higher quantities
warm anchor
That was good read
slim nymph
sipping reduces effectiveness
ancient bolt
the more you drink caffeine the less it effects you too
stiff yarrow
aikar probably free bases 5 hour at this point
slim nymph
nah, im living proof of that
waxen panther
I'll mention you in my obituary when I die of consuming 400 coffee's at once
slim nymph
im prob well over a year of 500mg+ of caffeine a day
heavy gyro
stiff yarrow
if you can't snort 5 hour off a sex workers butthole are you even living
slim nymph
pretty sure ive spent over 1000$ on 5 hour in past year
ancient bolt
I have sleep apnea so I need to address that before consuming large amounts of caffeine to fix my tiredness issue
stiff yarrow
so if you dont' show up on discord for a while we can assume you suffocated in your sleep
ancient bolt
it's true :\
stiff yarrow
I'm actually trying to get healthier lately but dieting is a bitch
ancient bolt
I suspect sleep apnea accounts of a lot of the difficulty I've had being healthy
nothing really works right if your body can't sleep
stiff yarrow
untreated sleep apnea will ruin your life
you are never normal, you are always tired
ancient bolt
literally me
stiff yarrow
you are basically permanently sick
go get the mouth piece or machine or whatever already
ancient bolt
I need to schedule a dr appointment but pandemic and shit
and idk if I can trust the online shit
potent fossil
i was dieting a lot before but decided that i just need a lifestyle change and not a diet so i guess im on a permadiet now
ancient bolt
yeah i need to do that
after my cat gets his teeth pulled on the 20th I'll look into it
stiff yarrow
the worst part about sleep apnea is most people don't even know they have it and that its fucking them up
ancient bolt
I read about it in a reddit comment randomly a year or so ago
and I was like wtf
when he listed out all of the symptoms and shit I was like ???
This isn't how other people live??
potent fossil
those shits made me way better then way worse so i stopped and flushed them down the toilet
stiff yarrow
you might have bipolar then, antidepressants can cause bipolar to go off the deep end
potent fossil
who knows
one of my problems is being chronically late to things, got a therapist for it
showed up late they charged me $300
so i dont go to therapists or doctors for mental health anymore
they dont help, they just want money
potent fossil
aikar has
potent fossil
breaks server rules
teal turret
stiff yarrow
@potent fossil usually they put the late fee stuff into the contract you sign when you start services
my current therapist is great
potent fossil
yeah but i specifically told them i have trouble with being late for shit
they're like ok np
so yea, my fault for not reading but i exist in an altered mental state
so whatever
ima project my issues
waxen panther
not altered
stiff yarrow
tbh never heard of a late fee higher than 50 bucks
waxen panther
ascended
potent fossil
ah yes
waxen panther
potent fossil
mine was le $300
slim nymph
oh hell micles back
potent fossil
so now you've heard of 300
carmine hinge
hello aikar
slim nymph
hi brick
carmine hinge
crazy how long it's been since i was active here
potent fossil
aikar teach him about TDD with bukkit
carmine hinge
yes pls
potent fossil
webinar now
waxen panther
ted talk 
carmine hinge
also i'm officially a full stack developer now
potent fossil
ah yes
carmine hinge
also entering junior year of uni
i think i wasnt even in uni when i was last actually active here
crazy
potent fossil
ok
and then there's me, active in here for years on years shit talking and shitposting and never being productive
carmine hinge
who are you?
potent fossil
hi im zimple, and im a no life
carmine hinge
did you change your name
potent fossil
simpleauthority
carmine hinge
ohhh
slim nymph
i started a zarmy unintentionally
carmine hinge
a zarmy?
potent fossil
ye
carmine hinge
oh, z army
potent fossil
welcome back to the zarmy @static badge
carmine hinge
hello leaf
waxen panther
slim nymph
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yeah ik
that's very annoying
same thing with obfhelpers
why are your guys' obfhelpers non-final
slim nymph
well if you know any hot ones. but this was a patch update error
they use to be final
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nothing to do with hotness tbh
slim nymph
this is literally causing me performance issues lol
pulsar wigeon
iNvOkEvIrTuAl
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I thought the JIT was smart enough to inline those
in fact the JIT is smart enough to optimise the function call period
slim nymph
tech did some research way back then and it wasnt
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but I guess non-final could make it not inline
slim nymph
until these changes to be final
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huh
slim nymph
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didn't know it had to be final
carmine hinge
aikar simple said u did TDD w/ mc
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guess I do now
carmine hinge
how did you do that?
slim nymph
he studied byte code on it
pulsar wigeon
i mean
slim nymph
I did not do TDD, I did functional
pulsar wigeon
bytecode aint telling you shit about jit
carmine hinge
o
pulsar wigeon
test driven development
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carmine hinge
aw
carmine hinge
he did functional testing instead
slim nymph
.g gist empire tests
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slim nymph
wtf
pulsar wigeon
kek
potent fossil
very nice aikar
carmine hinge
lol
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slim nymph
.g site:gist.github.com aikar empire tests
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useless bot
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slim nymph
ffs
potent fossil
mfw google can pull up "secret" gists
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it's your gist
potent fossil
carmine hinge
never uses secret gists again
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search ur history
slim nymph
i start a test server under gitlab docker container, it auto shuts down, then the CI checks output of the file for failures
carmine hinge
so it runs without the server actually running?
slim nymph
it runs a server
slim nymph
doesnt really matter, its a test
carmine hinge
i thought that isnt really feasible because itd be too slow
potent fossil
sounds like a bitch to me
slim nymph
its CI, you arent waiting for it
carmine hinge
im kind of new to testing, my new job uses TDD and i found it cool
slim nymph
tdd is stupid lol
carmine hinge
how so
potent fossil
you mean you dont sit there and watch your CI run through each and every build aikar? /s
carmine hinge
hmm
slim nymph
i design code as i feel it, i dont do tdd
potent fossil
this is a very hot topic
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I prefer the leaf method of development
which is to break everything
until it works
slim nymph
be one with the code
slim nymph
and that too
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TDD is a pain in the ass
carmine hinge
doesnt really fit with normal coding style
slim nymph
soon as you want to change it, hey all your test broke
carmine hinge
yeah i did experience that already
slim nymph
test business criteria, not units
carmine hinge
it was kind of annoying
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only thing you want to bother testing are constraints on your impl
carmine hinge
yeah looking it up functional testing looks better
I guess even if you have to start the server it's still more efficient than manually testing everything
slim nymph
now we ar ediscussing 2 diff topics, unit tests and TDD, separate things
carmine hinge
would it be too difficult to mock it tho?
carmine hinge
what do you mean by that?
potent fossil
tdd means write unit test first, then write your code that makes the test pass
slim nymph
tdd is just a political rule saying you write tests before you write any implementation
potent fossil
unit tests can exist w/o tdd
carmine hinge
oof
slim nymph
would totally kill the fun of green field
celest coyote
green field?
slim nymph
brand new project, no existing code base
carmine hinge
so i'm kind of taking whatever I can get
slim nymph
your designing the foundation of what it looks like
carmine hinge
oh, well, at least it has an existing codebase
celest coyote
I see
slim nymph
green fields are fun
its where you get to play with new tech
ive been in that land for past few years 😛
working on my framework
celest coyote
lucky you
slim nymph
skynet is complete
waxen panther
AikarNet 
celest coyote
I didn't do jack shit during my uni years 😦
slim nymph
i so fucking hope legal lets me open source it
carmine hinge
has anyone managed to use mocking instead of running the actual server?
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carmine hinge
nice
celest coyote
there were attempts in the past but I don't think it really panned out
the thing with minecraft is
its filled with bugs
carmine hinge
how well does mockbukkit work
slim nymph
dunno
i consider it pointless
know how much attention we've given that test framework since making it?
celest coyote
you should test in the buggy real environment instead of the fake ideal one
slim nymph
we disabled that one only one real big test you saw in the link
carmine hinge
how come?
slim nymph
it served us no value, had a flaw in logic that depended on world state
not worth the time
youll spend 20x more time working on tests than youll ever spend fixing/checking manually for bugs
slim nymph
nope
waxen panther
just let the players be your test framework 
carmine hinge
fair enough
slim nymph
because its so hard to get an enforced contract anyways
you may do something right, but some other plugin is intercepting your action and fucked the world
carmine hinge
mfw mockbukkit only has 54% test coverage
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plugins always fuck your shit up
slim nymph
@static badge the commit message for this commit FYI:
Speedup BlockPos by fixing inlining Normally the JVM can inline virtual getters by having two sets of code, one is the 'optimized' code and the other is the 'deoptimized' code. If a single type is used 99% of the time, then its worth it to inline, and to revert to 'deoptimized' the 1% of the time we encounter other types. But if two types are encountered commonly, then the JVM can't inline them both, and the call overhead remains.
This scenario also occurs with BlockPos and MutableBlockPos. The variables in BlockPos are final, so MutableBlockPos can't modify them. MutableBlockPos fixes this by adding custom mutable variables, and overriding the getters to access them.
This approach with utility methods that operate on MutableBlockPos and BlockPos. Specific examples are BlockPosition.up(), and World.isValidLocation(). It makes these simple methods much slower than they need to be. This should result in an across the board speedup in anything that accesses blocks or does logic with positions.
This is based upon conclusions drawn from inspecting the assenmbly generated by the JIT compiler on my mircorbenchmarks. They had 'callq' (invoke) instead of 'mov' (get from memory) instructions.
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nothing to do with final
that has everything to do with the fact there are two method impls
which does have some optimisations
but
mov wins every fucking time by a mile
(as stated in the commit message...)
ancient bolt
he's just saying that because the variables are final it has to override the getters to return different variables
if they weren't final they could mutate the fields in the original class and the super type's getters wouldn't need to be overriden
aka there would only be 1 method, not 2
fallen oracle
Are forms in Kotlin hard? Or is that code auto generated?
Idk if I'm dealing with something like Visual Studio or not here
carmine hinge
wdym by forms @fallen oracle
carmine hinge
i think there was some library for that
fallen oracle
Cause I know VS generates a lot of the code behind it
carmine hinge
tornadofx
fallen oracle
Sorry, javax
fallen oracle
Yeah I've heard of it but I'm going to do a PR to MinecraftDev so I gotta familiarize myself with that
carmine hinge
i don't even remember what i made with it
ancient bolt
javafx is defined in xml...
just look at how forms are done in mcdev already
we just use intellij's form builder
slim nymph
oh shit did yall see this https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsofts-github-account-hacked-private-repositories-stolen/
ancient bolt
As some of the leaked files contain Chinese text or references to latelee.org, other threat actors on the forum do not feel that the data is real.
Based on the full directory listing of the stolen data and and source code from private repositories that was sent to BleepingComputer by the hacker, the stolen files appear to be mostly code samples, test projects, an eBook, and other generic items.
oh nvm, microsoft confirmed it's real
I assume it's not a hack
probably someone who just has access to the MS github org...
floral cairn
potent fossil
what do you expect from ICE collaborators /s
ancient bolt
maybe some orgs would like a feature like that, most wouldn't
most orgs have projects being cloned left right and center constantly by tools and developers all over the place
the CI would be immediately banned
lots of companies do a mono-repo approach which involves cloning hundreds of repos to a dev's machine, also wouldn't work there
so, some orgs would like that feature possibly
but the bigger the org is the less I find that likely
mono repo has a lot of benefits
if you've ever tried to keep 100 micro repos in sync then you would understand why people prefer mono repos
potent fossil
its their OSS account anyway, i mean it's not like those private repos are literally Windows or something
i dont think they're shitting their pants
im certain their important trade secret code is in a private git system
ancient bolt
microsoft built a custom git implementation to hold their mono repo lol
potent fossil
ye
ancient bolt
im not sure what google does but they also use mono repo
AOSP uses lots of small git repos to build a single mono repo using the repo tool, kinda neat
crystal compass
fathom parrot
neon dagger
I'm not sure where to ask so I'm asking here... Out of no where a bunch of players started joining my server...
Random names, various IPs... But all saying stuff along the lines of...
What's up with that?
Can bots scrape for servers? Seems odd, because I've not even advertised it.
Any way I can prevent this?
Oh well I just shut it down for now, because "Oh boy let me bot attack this server with no players it'll really hurt it". xD
void void
cunning raft
oh shit did yall see this https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsofts-github-account-hacked-private-repositories-stolen/
I read this as github itself was hacked
got a lot more freeked out
freaked*
lethal oar
ancient bolt
I do what I want
fallen oracle
Wait
I'm not done
Fuck someone removed it
Sorry I tagged that channel cause I was linking a boo
Bop
Not yelling at you
Where did the taco sing go
sinful narwhal
celest coyote
neon dagger
Here comes the hard part.
frozen hemlock
toxic vale
Would you be able to forceupgrade a 1.12 world to 1.15 directly?
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yes
potent fossil
help
pulsar wigeon
barty is
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it's technically a math problem
potent fossil
i know
pulsar wigeon
i'm sure he's up for a ping :^)
potent fossil
i have a bunch of unknowns, all i need is how 2 find
ty
it says STP so im assuming pressure/temp don't change therefore 2 unknowns
instead of 4
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the only thing you need is a periodic table and some constant (for converting L to grams) (which is going to depend on what STP it is...)
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idk the constant off of the top of my head
potent fossil
after complete combustion there will be 0L O2 remaining
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does your textbook tell you the L/g or g/L at STP?
potent fossil
ok fuck off i got this
potent fossil
hot
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69.420 before rounding
potent fossil
wait really
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no
pulsar wigeon
simple
potent fossil
fuck you
pulsar wigeon
are you fuking retarded
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potent fossil
yes
viral hornet
😂
pulsar wigeon
did you actually fucking think he wasn't fucking with you there
"wait really"
lmfao
potent fossil
dont bully me
neon dagger
Is there a way to detect and stop "legit" bots that spam join a server? At least they helped me find a bug I would probably have never found on my own. xD
vestal jasper
jfc
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ah yes
you know what's funny vic
the fact that simple being while using your profile picture makes sense
vestal jasper
Z's fucking retarded too tho
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z is braindead yes
but he's one of the smartest braindead people you'll ever know
well...
that I'll know
you don't know anything
vestal jasper
it takes a special kind of retard to manage a community of even more retards
olive garden
potent fossil
the answer was 26.6
vestal jasper
quiet, snail
olive marlin
.g minecraft perlin noise
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olive marlin
All articles seems to say that it is.
But could be biased by the Google query lol
But most certainly some sort of fractal noise.
fervent marsh
Does anyone know of any plugins that allow a user to claim/protect a shulkerbox? Perhaps to automatically put their name on it or something?
cosmic raft
placid bluff
spark narwhal
Hi,
Animals spawned with eggs are despawning on my server when i'm going to an other world for instance ? Is this paper related (an option maybe ? ) ? Thanks !
round sonnet
woven onyx
sharp sentinel
Ah I love it when Spigot breaks stuff 🙃
In one of the newer builds, probably last 2 weeks - Ladders now return null instead of their direction when they're facing north
void void
sharp sentinel
This happens so frequently tbh so yeah basically
young fox
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one of the epic things with kotlin is that whenever they break something, u just make an extension which forever fixes it
sharp sentinel
Not always possible
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with enough bullshit it's always possible :D
sharp sentinel
Unless you're loading the plugin before Spigot you won't be able to reliably/safely modify MC/Spigot classes 🙂
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i meant break shit in the api lol
sharp sentinel
Yeah but it's the implementation that breaks 99.99% of the time
Also idk how you can "break the API"
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you could e.g. do val Ladder.fDirection get() = direction ?: Direction.NORTH
sharp sentinel
Yeah but then if they break it a different way you've got an arguably worse problem
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just don't argue then 
olive drum
forest gorge
wheat spoke
agile umbra
molten obsidian
fair scarab
little dagger
I know Im where Im not suppose to be , I got this issue, and I dont really know what to do. Any advice is welcome
elfin mantle
if its light problem then update to latest paper
then do /paper fixlight ChunkAmount
void void
i think they're either joking or accidentally put light on moody
elfin mantle
then do
/paper fixlight ChunkAmount
slate seal
void void
gentle relic
tropic flame
holy hell fuck Outlook
wants to reset password of an account
Outlook: no email received
Gmail: got an email instantly
strange plover
dusty summit