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limber knotBOT
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yes

latent valve
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yes

limber knotBOT
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that's how it works

stuck lava
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they should just update EULA to "all your servers belong to us" or "you agreed to pay us 100k$/mo"

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I wouldn't say it would work...

pulsar wigeon
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that's not really how contracts work

stuck lava
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exactly

worn ember
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Imagine working

limber knotBOT
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they can change whatever they want, when they want. most ToS's have a clause in there that says that

pulsar wigeon
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well it is, but it won't necessarily hold up in court

stuck lava
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^

pulsar wigeon
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you can write w/e the fuck you want in a contract

worn ember
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Pretty sure you gotta reagree if they make changes

ashen cliff
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Depends on the original agreement.

pulsar wigeon
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yea but by continuing to run a server after x time, you implicitly agree

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they just say "terms updating" and you have the option to stop running a server

stuck lava
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or move to Russia

void void
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or china

latent valve
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north korea

stuck lava
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ah yes...

ashen cliff
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And only play Hypixel?

stuck lava
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internet sux there even more

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but if you really think about it... mojang could fix bypass if they really wanted to

limber knotBOT
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it wouldn't be easy

stuck lava
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they could patch netty?

polar sonnet
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Wtf

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I've literally blocked all ports from being pinged

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And Im still being uuid spoofed

stuck lava
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they don't have to block 100% of clients... just most of them

latent valve
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online mode = true

ashen cliff
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The EULA forbids selling access to servers right?

polar sonnet
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mrdzok

limber knotBOT
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I don't think so

polar sonnet
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Bungee

stuck lava
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if ur cracked

limber knotBOT
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kind of

pearl atlas
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Bind to localhost...

polar sonnet
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oh shi

latent valve
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^

pulsar wigeon
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it just says cost has to be the same for everyone if you sell access to the server

polar sonnet
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How do I bind to local host

ashen cliff
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Good to know.

limber knotBOT
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0.0.9.0

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thats all interfaces

slender jay
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127.0.0.1

stuck lava
limber knotBOT
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.9 isn't 😂

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thought it was a typo lol

polar sonnet
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What the fuc

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its not even online mod

lost scroll
polar sonnet
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Its not evne online mode

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they got my bungeecord server laos

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also

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WHICH HAS online mode

stuck lava
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got?

limber knotBOT
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wat

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I don't think the commercial usage guidelines prohibit charge to access servers

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Not really sure tho

polar sonnet
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THey got into my bungeecord server also

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which has online-mode

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And somehow changed their name to mine

wide chasm
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Afaik if you only charge once and the same price for all people it's fine.

limber knotBOT
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are you allowing people to connect directly to the servers

polar sonnet
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No

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Just bungeecord

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the actual online-mode server

limber knotBOT
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have you tried

ashen cliff
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So Twitch/Patreon subscriber servers are against the EULA?

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I've seen 3 people confirm that by now.

limber knotBOT
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maybe 4

polar sonnet
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They havent logged into my dedi

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Im at a complete loss of words

stuck lava
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lol

polar sonnet
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All the ports are firewalled off except the bungee

wide chasm
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Twitch/Patreon subscriber server sounds more like "a server with a whitelist" which is fine afaik

limber knotBOT
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logging into your dedi shouldnt even be a possibility

polar sonnet
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I dont know at this point

limber knotBOT
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go get yourself some ssh keys

polar sonnet
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How they are spoofing their accounts to mine

pulsar wigeon
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except it confers payment stefvan

polar sonnet
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They spoofed their uuid to mine on an online-mode server

limber knotBOT
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no they didnt

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you f'd up something

wide chasm
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Would probably need to ask Mojang - the payment is not directly for the server.

stuck lava
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try connecting to spigot instance, check your plugins, check your configs...

limber knotBOT
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in the latest commercial guidelines update*

polar sonnet
stuck lava
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well it's a step forward (for some servers)

polar sonnet
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On my survival server

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What the fuck

wide chasm
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Using minecraft servers as a form of business does not mean you can do anything and everything you want though, hence the guidelines.

stuck lava
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maybe they'll allow P2W next year

limber knotBOT
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why would they ever allow p2w

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pay to win

wide chasm
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Yes

stuck lava
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idk... then again there's a lot of stuff mojang does... it's not like I'm trying to make sense ouf it... not anymore

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imagine being hypixel... complying with old EULA... changing everything

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now this

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lol

wide chasm
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It's not super hard to follow the guidelines, though.

polar sonnet
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@still smelt

limber knotBOT
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it'sa ctually been made easier

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^

polar sonnet
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Theres nothing left to configure how did they spoof their name on an online-mode bungeecord server

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My bad

limber knotBOT
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no they didnt

stuck lava
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eh...

pearl atlas
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Just make sure your server-ip is set to localhost

polar sonnet
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They logged in as me on my bungeecord server

pearl atlas
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On bukkit

polar sonnet
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It is

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They logged in as me on my bungeecord server as me

limber knotBOT
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no

polar sonnet
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^online mode

stuck lava
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maybe they have your password?

limber knotBOT
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please for the love of god stop spamming here, just make sure noone has access to any of your passwords, and

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.g spigotmc firewall

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or just try connecting to one of your servers

polar sonnet
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kenny

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I've setup all those firewallsa lrady

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I literally cant connect through the ip and port

stuck lava
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then it's all good

ashen cliff
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.g spigotmc How to delete your server and regain your sanity?

stuck lava
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you're good @polar sonnet just wake up

limber knotBOT
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lmao

ashen cliff
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Thanks bot.

stuck lava
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btw... @polar sonnet did they login with your username AND uuid?

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if so buy urself new account

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rm -rf /

pearl atlas
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sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root

ashen cliff
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Also make sure to mount the EFI.

limber knotBOT
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glad we learned how to use rm

polar sonnet
limber knotBOT
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thank you

polar sonnet
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@stuck lava yes

ashen cliff
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REKT.

polar sonnet
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Now how in the hll

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Did they log in via direct connect

ashen cliff
polar sonnet
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If IP-Forwarding doesnt even work

limber knotBOT
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...

ashen cliff
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That won't stop anyone.

pearl atlas
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Lmao

stuck lava
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good stuff

limber knotBOT
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you can still connect to it you dum dum

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lol

polar sonnet
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🤦‍♂️

limber knotBOT
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just read the fucking iptable tutorial

ashen cliff
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That's like putting a don't enter sign instead of a door.

limber knotBOT
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:man_facepalming:

stuck lava
limber knotBOT
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I mean that happened to me as well, but only because nobody told me that I had to use docker subnet

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I luckily figured it out soon

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I just do it from my network firewall

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never had a problem

pearl atlas
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Or just bind to local and never touch firewall lmao

ashen cliff
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Yeah, no.

limber knotBOT
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Also i stopped having game servers on the same machine where Waterfall is running, so good luck finding backends ipv4

stuck lava
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they will find them

polar sonnet
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Joni how do I bind it

limber knotBOT
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how tho IfYouOnlyKnew

stuck lava
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portscans

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be smart and use iptables

limber knotBOT
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portscans? lmao

pearl atlas
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Like I said, all you need to do is have server-ip=localhost on bukkit

limber knotBOT
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???

pearl atlas
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And they can't connect to it

limber knotBOT
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they're not on the same machine they can't scan the proxy and get game servers ip

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I spent several hours on WireShark and see if it was possible , but it is not unless there are some secret ways

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and if they find the internal ip its uselss

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useless*

void void
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usually they look for other insecured services. stuff like ssh, ftp and any other crap serverices that are running

limber knotBOT
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yeah 172.17. 0.0:25565 is not very useless

stuck lava
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we have 3 bungee nodes and 7 nodes for spigot instances... and when moving stuff around we forgot to setup iptables on 2 nodes... and it took them 2 or 3 weeks... but after that someone did try to connect directly to spigot instances

limber knotBOT
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how are you planning on routing to 172.x?

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how do I edit messages from IRC

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fuck

stuck lava
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luckly we're remapping UUIDs on bungee and verifying username and UUID on spigot instances

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or it would be another day of restoring from backups

pearl atlas
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One option is to use tunnels to make sure nobody else is getting thru 🙃

stuck lava
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or that

quasi valley
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or, you know, just do 2-3 iptable commands

ashen cliff
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The most secure setup for MC is: Don't even run a server.

stuck lava
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life without risk is not worth living tho?

ashen cliff
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Just don't get born.

stuck lava
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think that was out of my control 😂

ashen cliff
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Perhaps.

pearl atlas
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Just leave a small exploit as a easter egg

stuck lava
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no need mojang planted plenty of those

ashen cliff
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Just leave SSH open, username root, password toor.

stuck lava
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y and post it on 4chan

pearl atlas
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The easy steps to securing your SSH is to sudo service ssh stop

ashen cliff
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And open telnet?

stuck lava
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use KVM

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OVH removed that from recent dedis tho... suckers

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it's a paid upgrade now

ashen cliff
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You can still request temporary access.

stuck lava
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afaik not for free

ashen cliff
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Yeah, use SSH keys with the broken Debian cipher.

stuck lava
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lmao

pearl atlas
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Orrr!!! Use Windows server! No need for SSH keys

ashen cliff
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or a firewall.

stuck lava
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new GAME range with AMDs has IMPI and it's free

limber knotBOT
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I still need to setup LDAP

stuck lava
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on old game range with i7's they want 160 EUR (from now till may 3rd)

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oh well

limber knotBOT
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only a couple of my servers are windows, gotta get everyone using the same auth

stuck lava
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why?

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I mean the only Win servers I manage are our clients that insist on selfhosted Exchange... and that's it, everything else we touch is windows-free

limber knotBOT
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domain controllers and ADDNS

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that's about it

stuck lava
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oh

polar sonnet
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Servers are binded to local host

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ALL except bungee

pearl atlas
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You can test yourself if its working, if you get the IP Forward message you are not safe

polar sonnet
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I dont

pearl atlas
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Then you should be fine

olive garden
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what does it mean when 5GBs of files takes up 300GBs of space on a NTFS partition?

ashen cliff
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Small files?

olive garden
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3 files

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so no

ashen cliff
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Invisible stuff on the disk?

olive garden
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I'm pretty sure I can see invisible files

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I guess I will just reformat it

golden gust
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either corruption or somehow crazy levels of fragmentation

olive garden
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it's some 3TB HDD used as a physical backup, usually stored in a drawer

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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well, I just freed up 800GBs of space on the HDD Windows is installed on

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got worried when there was only 200GBs free space left

swift pelican
limber knotBOT
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that's CB

woven otter
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rekt

worn ember
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cats are dum

solid pine
ivory radish
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remember when i said about the chunks issue i had

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WARN wings: Server has triggered automatic kill due to excessive data output. Potential DoS attack.

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NICE PTERO

golden gust
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.rekt

limber knotBOT
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☑ DiREKTX

void void
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wtf

wicked birch
void void
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@ashen cliff look at this shit

ashen cliff
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Show.

void void
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scroll above a lil bit

ashen cliff
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I see that shit.

void void
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another reason why public stuff is shit

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or is it some hosting-specific mod hm

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.g pterodactyl wings

limber knotBOT
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ashen cliff
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Imagen not connecting to your servers with a IBM Wheelwriter 1000.

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I really should start spelling imagine right.

soft yew
golden gust
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ye u shud u dum

ashen cliff
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Meh.

ivory radish
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its this

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kill_at_count

twin lagoon
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never seen that happen before

ivory radish
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technically im with it though

void void
severe nest
candid raptor
dense dew
lament patio
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Weird joins but ok

orchid parcel
sonic granite
lime mauve
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I actually just read the commercial guidelines it seems that most servers are EULA compliant

ashen cliff
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Yeah. No.

lime mauve
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Okay well does anyone know about starting development on PC with paper and using the console?

full tiger
ocean elbow
limber knotBOT
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If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

lime mauve
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How can I implement a GUI on windows for the console when running Paper?

limber knotBOT
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@<pine apple [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

lime mauve
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I just need a way to access the console

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It won't open up ,-,

limber knotBOT
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just start it in the terminal?

lime mauve
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Where is --nogui flag located?

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All I'm doing is opening the 'patched.jar' file and the server runs but no GUI opens

limber knotBOT
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uh, did they finally disable the GUI by default? Oo

lime mauve
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This is for Paper version 1.8.8 by the way.

limber knotBOT
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lmao

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gtfo

lime mauve
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I'm using the latest version for another server and it works fine but 1.8.8 for a Factions server

golden gust
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grapth was improved by billy

limber knotBOT
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well don't complain about missing features if you use outdated versions, lol

golden gust
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The GUI being brought back is only recent

lime mauve
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If anyone has any advice besides using the latest version I would appreciate it.

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On Windows?

limber knotBOT
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just start it like you would start a server normally?

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there is tons of server installation guides and all of them tell you how to do this...

lime mauve
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Apologies I haven't done this in some time.

frigid sorrel
heady spear
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it's also fucking awful lol

pure badge
lime mauve
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What is?

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I figured it out thanks

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the GUI stuff

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Learning as I go thank you

fast moon
void void
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i mean you shout at them and they go away

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don't see what's so scary

limber knotBOT
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unless there is a group of them

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then they just might attack you instead

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XD

void void
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I can't wait till the day that happens

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commuting time

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some conspiracy theories ended up on TV some time ago

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haha 5G test with wifi

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absolutely brilliant

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ooh there's a countdown timer till they're doing a global protest on the 25th. haha

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i remember EEVBlog did an hour long video making fun of them

lime mauve
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They would rather use wired connections

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So they'd rather mine valuable resources to create wires, which are fire hazards and burn down Australia again

void void
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i would too honestly, less issues with latency etc

lime mauve
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Very economical and safe!

lean stone
void void
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haha they want every G to be replaced with safe technology

lime mauve
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None of their resources on health are peer reviewed journals, they are blogs.

void void
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nearly all of the stuff they link as well always says it is unlikely it was caused radio

stiff yarrow
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does anyone know why zoom has become the defacto video conference software

knotty scaffold
lament patio
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It's single purpose and easy to use

lime mauve
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Does anyone suggest any specific versions of Factions? IE FactionsUUID, SavageFactions, the normal one, or any other custom forks?

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Zoom also offers a freemium model, making it cheap and easy

void void
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zoom is yikes

lament patio
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Yeah, but sadly people just care if it's easy

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and popular*

lime mauve
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Stock is up 200%+ in the past two months due to growth

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Doesn't mean much about the company except their size is large and they're here to stay for a while

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And people have faith in their growth

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But regarding my previous question ^^

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about factions version

void void
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I currently use Paper-1.15.2#211. Is this better to use or should I use Paper Waterfall?

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Oooo! That makes sense.

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Thank you

lime mauve
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Waterfall is the Bungee alternative correct?

agile apex
heady spear
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Zoom has also been super good at marketing themselves to institutions like universities etc

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In Sweden it’s definitely the de facto standard

lime mauve
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They're also looking to expand into the medical industry for telehealth

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They do have lots of work to do though

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For those of you on 1.5 for Factions, do you just use the PVP as is or do you use a plugin/method of reverting it to the way it was in 1.8 with pot/soup pvp?

wide chasm
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I haven't seen a single person use Zoom here - everyone uses Google Meet.

void void
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my schools rubbish, it's email hell

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fuck i was soldering while the battery was still connected

left swift
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Zoom for zoomers

foggy elbow
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Hello,
Does anymore know anything on docker ?
I wanted to change the IP of my docker because I got 2 IP's, but now it doesn't load anymore and give me the error :
Error response from daemon: driver failed programming external connectivity on endpoint XXXX (XXXX): Error starting userland proxy: listen tcp XXXXXXXXXXXX: bind: cannot assign requested address

golden gust
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That address can't be bound to

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You need to actually configure the ips on the server

pulsar wigeon
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xxxx isn't generally a valid address

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runs

foggy elbow
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It's a valid one, and XXX is just because I hided them

pulsar wigeon
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the fact that you wanted to hide it makes me thing it's an external address and not the bind ip tho

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which is...wrong

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hence the error

austere beacon
foggy elbow
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When I run a command with docker (docker ps -a) for exemple, it tells
Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?

golden gust
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Well, is the daemon running? does the user have the correct perms?

foggy elbow
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i'm in the root user

dire river
ember snow
foggy elbow
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Already searched help on google but doesn't help :c

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google not bingthinksmart

flat zephyr
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Yandex or bust

foggy elbow
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the fact that you wanted to hide it makes me thing it's an external address and not the bind ip tho
@pulsar wigeon
Yes it's NOT a bind IP

compact shore
void void
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but you're trying to bind to it

pulsar wigeon
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dont ping me

foggy elbow
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Sorry it's discord auto ping when answering*

spark narwhal
woven otter
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dont ping me
KEK

vestal jasper
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guess I'm sol until my host updates paper
Find another host peepoJuice

foggy elbow
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So can someone help me with docker please ? thinking_gun

vestal jasper
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Nice job bumping your post by reposting it after my message peepoJuice

left swift
opaque roost
fallen sleet
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discord auto ping

stiff yarrow
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you can ping me if you need to get it out of your system

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👼

upper flicker
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like all the users?

stiff yarrow
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it doesn't work and gives wiz an excuse to kick you

fallen sleet
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individually

upper flicker
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the bot gets angry

fallen sleet
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no loopholes

stiff yarrow
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it pings people who aren't idle/dnd

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iirc

upper flicker
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only pings people actually in discord

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everyone will go harass all the randoms

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you cant use it

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there are more than 4,000 people here

mighty storm
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what happened to paper build 210

upper flicker
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if you actually used it, you'd be getting one hell of an asschewing

fallen oracle
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We don't talk about build 210.

upper flicker
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failed to compile

stiff yarrow
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damn that's a lot of stationary loving bois

latent valve
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👀 Z nuke it ig

mighty storm
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oh no wonder it didnt show up lol

upper flicker
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we could do the eclipse thing where we just make a jar anyway

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and throw a bunch of dumb exceptions into it

stiff yarrow
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🤢

ancient bolt
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Build 1 is in ur butt

mighty storm
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speaking of api is there an api to see latest build number

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wait- jenkins can do that

pulsar wigeon
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build 1 is 1.15, not .2

upper flicker
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build 1 is under 1.15

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fucking wiz I swear

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do u in

pulsar wigeon
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fite me irl

mighty storm
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found it

upper flicker
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3:15 by the swingset

pulsar wigeon
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cook off 1v1

mighty storm
upper flicker
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actually we better make it closer to 4:00

pulsar wigeon
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i mean, literally available via api too

upper flicker
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got detention for saying mean words

pulsar wigeon
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idk z can you swim across the ocean that quickly

upper flicker
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ye am gud swimr

pulsar wigeon
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i heard there's lots of rona

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the rona sharks will get ya

upper flicker
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oh its literally after 3:15 here

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woops already missed it

pulsar wigeon
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smh missed your detention

upper flicker
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that means more detention 😦

mighty storm
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i love how every time i go to check for a new build there is one

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is there papermc api docs 🤔

ancient bolt
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nah docs are for nerds

mighty storm
ancient bolt
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I don't believe so

rancid crypt
mighty storm
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sweet

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trying to convince my host to stay with up to date paper

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since theyre on build 101 still i think?

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so I have to manually download and upload and i aint got time for that

ancient bolt
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I wonder if it would be a good idea to let folks register webhooks on new builds or if we'd get 100 million webhooks and die

mighty storm
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alternatively send them to a channel and make it an announcement channel

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so they can follow it into their server

ancient bolt
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can we have more than 1 announcement channel?

mighty storm
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yep

ancient bolt
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hmm, that's an idea then

sonic granite
#

Hey guys,

I'm trying to make this sign auto target someone's username when they interact with it, any idea how i do this?

#

For example: /lp user (auto fill username when clicking) parent add Admin
Anyone know how to make it do that? Like any special symbols, etc?

mighty storm
#

areyou using serversigns?

sonic granite
#

commandsigns

mighty storm
#

oh idk about commandsigns

sonic granite
#

I can switch to serversigns

#

How does one make it target a username haha

#

Downloading serversigns now,

Any idea how i make it so the person who clicks the sign, get's the specific command done on that person?

ancient bolt
#

I just realized I've been using a light theme in intellij for work for the past month

#

I don't think I've ever stuck to one or the other for so long

#

cyan light is a good theme

glossy narwhal
potent fossil
#

thats...a light theme...

void void
#

Nice colour choice, but having it full screen would sear my eyes

#

it's kind of a light theme, with a bit less blue light

#

still a light theme

noble edge
void void
#

the new windows default background is bad

#

it looks so washed out

#

uuh i just felt my old keyboard. i have to clean that thing

#

my old mouse is even worse, since it was one of those really cheap plastic ones

rancid kernel
void void
#

can someone help me

jagged egret
#

depends on your question

vivid ivy
jagged egret
#

or here

vivid ivy
#

I guess.

void void
#

.ask

limber knotBOT
#

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply.

cerulean barn
void void
#

everytime i start my server i get this ...

jagged egret
#

that's an outdated server version

void void
#

so the world is for mc 1.15 and my server is using 1.14

jagged egret
#

yeah that's not gonna work

void void
#

can i convert it

jagged egret
#

why not just run your server on 1.15

#

idk if there are reverse converters, you'd have to google that

void void
#

there aren't

#

technically you can just load up the world in the 1.14 client and it should work, it's just if you have any newer mobs or blocks in the world, it crashes

potent fossil
#

yeah that's not a thing

jagged egret
#

not true @void void

#

chunk format changed between 1.14 and 1.15

#

I mean sure, you can try it, but I highly doubt it'll work

void void
#

my memory must be playing tricks on me again

upper flicker
#

if it doesnt work on the server its not gonna work on the client

#

client just has an embedded server

#

and actually last I tried the server handled "unknown" blocks quite well

#

that was... 1.8? though

potent fossil
jagged egret
#

yeah now we have the global palette

stuck lava
#

who said 1.8?

jagged egret
#

unknown blocks would screw up so bad bc it'd change the order of other blocks in the palette

stuck lava
#

😍

jagged egret
#

what is wrong with you

#

:P

upper flicker
#

might have to try that again later

#

anyway, wont fix this issue, just a for lulz thing

jagged egret
#

I imagine it will crash and burn due to the global pallete order changing with unknown blocks or whatever

stuck lava
#

iirc upgrading map from 1.8 to 1.9 and then downgrading to 1.8 worked

#

just fine...

#

minus exceptions

#

and stuff

jagged egret
#

those don't have significant changes to the chunk format

#

iirc

golden gust
#

There was also often dataloss from that

#

e.g. rip chest contents

upper flicker
#

its really going to depend on the changes between the two versions whether or not it "works"

#

and it never really worked well

potent fossil
#

ok can i rant for a second

NCIS apparently is made up of a team of absolutely elite agents right? they got an MI6 badass, a dude who was undercover for 12 years, and another guy who has been a special agent for 4 decades or something. and they all act like complete fucking noobs.

MI6 guy is like "we have to rush in there right now, my friends are in that building. we gotta go in, guns blazing. right now."

and he has to be told by some regular agent that no, that's not a good idea, we dont even have a plan yet.

#

like,... ok... MI6...sure

upper flicker
#

wat

potent fossil
#

wat

stuck lava
#

wat

jagged egret
#

wat

golden gust
#

wat

potent fossil
#

did i successfully trainwreck that topic?

upper flicker
#

yes

potent fossil
#

great

void void
#

impressive

#

amazing

stuck lava
#

outstanding

void void
#

extraordinary

left swift
#

Who

jagged egret
#

*Whom

void void
#

are you one of those iso?

left swift
#

What's that mean cmonBruh

potent fossil
#

two NCIS agents being held hostage

"now is a perfect time to tell you...since we're together..."

"Judith dumped me."

#

i hate this show

void void
#

maybe don't watch it...

potent fossil
#

no its very entertaining

#

doesnt mean i can't hate it

stuck lava
#

it is?

#

is it like teletubbies?

void void
#

only cop show i ever watched was brooklyn 99

potent fossil
#

the stupidity of it is very extreme

golden gust
#

The one contribution my father made to my life was teaching me the "gibbs"

upper flicker
#

dont you fucking slam teletubbies 😠

stuck lava
#

I didn't!

golden gust
#

Basically, you just slap somebody around the back of the head and proclaim "GIBBS"

void void
#

interesting, opening a 1.15 world in 1.14 just regens the chunks

potent fossil
#

ah yes, gibbs. the man who builds boats in his basement garage and then destroys them because the only way you could get that thing out is to destroy the house

#

and then he builds another one

#

good man

golden gust
#

Well

#

I mean

#

You don't have to watch it sink if you screw up

#

So, maybe there are some pros

potent fossil
#

gibbs never screws up

stuck lava
#

WW is nice 🙂

potent fossil
#

i swear to god

#

they're making a fucking pipe bomb, pouring chemicals into a bottle

#

this is clearly chemistry, yes?

#

"it's just basic physics, mixed with a little middle school rebellion"

brittle dust
#

alright.....so I had it so my WE had the actual lines of the perimeter visual...but I updated and lost it or changed something and lost it....I was wondering if one of you could point me in the right direction...thanks in advance

potent fossil
brittle dust
#

Mmm....maybe it was a plugin.....there's no way to do that from WE itself......I imagine then though that's not really the question for here

#

Does WE have any type of config

potent fossil
#

well, the client mod is called CUI

#

yea it has a huge config lol

river plover
pulsar wigeon
#

there's //drawsel

#

there's also the client mod

brittle dust
#

ok apparently i had that

#

and I just turned it on

potent fossil
#

ah nice didnt know about drawsel

brittle dust
#

Thank you Wiz

quasi valley
#

32x is a bit small tho, client mod is still best

#

mikro has a fabric mod for 1.15

cosmic raft
#

there we go

#

finally named this better

potent fossil
#

why are you all making WE visualizers

cosmic raft
#
public final class AddYesEverythingElseNoTreeSetWrapperThing<E extends Comparable<E>> {
  private final NavigableSet<E> set;

  public AddYesEverythingElseNoTreeSetWrapperThing(final Comparator<? super E> comparator) {
    this.set= new TreeSet<>(comparator);
  }

  public final boolean add(final E element) {
    return this.set.add(element);
  }

  @SafeVarargs
  public final boolean addAll(final E... elements) {
    return Collections.addAll(this.set, elements);
  }

  public final @NonNull NavigableSet<E> view() {
    return Collections.unmodifiableNavigableSet(this.set);
  }
}
potent fossil
#

Kenny, the other guy, mikro, WE itself has one, the client mod exists

#

staph

#

kash, no

quasi valley
#

😂

#

kashs naming at its best I see kazheek

stuck lava
#

wow Kenny makes plugins? 😮

brittle dust
#

Did you just make a WE visualizer while I was trying to figure out how to turn it on

quasi valley
#

I do indeed

stuck lava
#

ahm nice

potent fossil
#

no kenny is retard

stuck lava
#

but I am kinda wondering why VV ppl didn't integrate this

quasi valley
#

it is in ViaVersion

#

I integrated it lol

stuck lava
#

ah

#

awesome!

#

long live 1.8

quasi valley
stuck lava
#

👌

spring swan
quasi valley
#

no simpl ur dum

potent fossil
#

ur hot

quasi valley
potent fossil
left swift
#

NCIS the one with the guy and the sunglasses and when he says a one liner he takes them off and that music plays?

#

Yeeeeeooooow

potent fossil
#

yea

left swift
#

Like when someone stubs their toe

potent fossil
#

what

left swift
#

But metal

quasi valley
#

Wut

left swift
#

The music

potent fossil
#

no

left swift
#

Yes

potent fossil
#

no

quasi valley
#

u

potent fossil
#

yes

left swift
#

No

potent fossil
#

yes

left swift
#

Ok

quasi valley
#

I think we went wrong somewhere

left swift
#

Well the doctors told me it started when I was born

quasi valley
#

lmao

brittle dust
#

can other players on the server see your "Drawsel"

pulsar wigeon
#

tbf, mikro's is just a port of the original WECUI

brittle dust
#

Btw. I'm going with Kennys

quasi valley
pulsar wigeon
#

was originally a jar mod, first written by lahwran, then updated by yetanotherx, then mumfrey rewrote the frontend for Liteloader, then mikro rewrote it for fabric

#

the server side ones all suck

#

particles look like shit, and the structure box is nice but only supports small cuboids and creative mode

#

so super limited

#

and no, it's faked to the client so only you can see it

left swift
#

Mod historian

quasi valley
#

wiz is just jealous that he isn’t as lit as the fire particles

left swift
#

Lower the difficulty then

brittle dust
#

with WESUI.......I should be able to see there areas right

#

sorry lol I"m on a server using WESUI and my friend online can't see my line and I can't see their line...but we both can see our own

#

should I disable drawsel

quasi valley
#

Wesui and the drawsel have nothing to do with each other

#

Look in the config to show selections to all

brittle dust
#

thank you guys

wooden meteor
#

anyone try out one of OVH's new VPSes yet? they consolidated their 3 lines into 1

#

I'm mostly curious if they're still using 2.4ghz haswell cores

teal gulch
stuck lava
#

maybe they're still using old opterons 😂

wooden meteor
#

haha I still have a VPS from them that runs on an opteron I think

stuck lava
#

no freezes?

#

the one I had was sooo bad I considered moving to kimsufi dedi

#

years ago tho

wooden meteor
#

I haven't used it for years. I let a friend borrow it in 2016 and he's set up shop on it lol

stuck lava
#

no idea what they're up to now and no info on their page...

#

they used to state they're powered by Intel... at some point

ashen cliff
#

Oh nice, they also marked up the price.

wooden meteor
#

I told him that I was going to decommission it and that he can expect his data to be migrated, ssh key transferred, and that the dns records would remain the same

stuck lava
#

yea

ashen cliff
#

I hope they restored the IOPS.

#

The only reason I left them.

wooden meteor
#

and he was like no no no, my app of 5k concurrent users uses the hardcoded ip address 🤦‍♂️

stuck lava
#

it says NVMe for every VPS now?

#

or am I looking at the wrong thing

ashen cliff
#

NVMe.
Only 1k OPS guarantied like the 2016+ VPS?

stuck lava
#

😂

ashen cliff
#

I used to have something like 130k IOPS, just dropped to 1k,
not a bug, a feature, we just forgot to ENFORCE IT.

#

So I left for Scaleway.

wooden meteor
#

which plan do you use on scaleway?

stuck lava
#

yea well that's considered normal for ovh

#

scaleway is cheaper... nice

wooden meteor
#

the one I had was sooo bad I considered moving to kimsufi dedi
I was on a ks dedi for a while. switched to a high frequency compute vps from vultr (9700k cores I think?) but I need more room for expansion now

ashen cliff
#

I used the cheapest one they had back in 2015/2016.

wooden meteor
#

I remember looking at scaleway back then- they were low powered arm cores weren't they?

#

with an option for server grade atom

ashen cliff
#

2 core Atoms had the same price as a 4 core ARM.

#

I like the ARM stuff they had, never really fully used it.

wooden meteor
#

gotcha. I'll have to check out their current lineup

ashen cliff
#

They currently have EPYC systems. Without turbo, before you ask.

wooden meteor
#

oooo

ivory radish
#

when you try out the GUIDE Server optimisation thread in spigot and still get 180% FST rip

void void
viral epoch
patent summit
lament jungle
harsh quartz
#

Will it take a while for paper to come out for 1.16 after it's released?

void void
#

.eta

limber knotBOT
#

Anyone requesting an ETA will be fed to goblins.

fallen sleet
#

anime

void void
gray grove
formal turret
ornate rock
loud fjord
shell niche
late surge
polar sonnet
#

Ya hate to see it

void void
void void
#

tHe YeLlOw LiNe MeAnS mY sErVeR's ||DiScOrD|| iS gRoWiNg

magic ice
#

nIce

void void
#

(I'm stalking my server's growth as time goes on so I made this nice little google spreadsheet)

jagged egret
#

D: I thought Ubuntu 20.04 was out today but turns out 20.04.1 is the real lts lol

upper flicker
#

They don’t let older servers update until .1

#

I mean, without a command line switch, anyway

jagged egret
#

ye my desktop won't without the switch

upper flicker
#

On a personal desktop I’d just give it the switch

#

Probably wouldn’t on a server or a render workstation or something though 🙂

jagged egret
#

Ye fair enough

dense basin
jagged egret
#

mfw the updater gives time estimates for 1Mbit and 56k modem connections kekw

ember snow
#

mineplex's webiste is sneaky

#

they combine bedrock and java

magic ice
#

hehe they include bedrock on there too 😛

ember snow
#

I can't think of a single server with a focus on 1.15 pvp

magic ice
#

when it comes to the pvp gamemode itself, most servers tend to focus on the 1.8 pvp

ember snow
#

most people that like new pvp just play smp

#

and don't pvp ever

#

they just like the pve

fossil cedar
#

Good night everyone

magic ice
#

cya

fossil cedar
#

Very late in France

sand seal
slim nymph
#

yall ready to inject some bleach

#

thats the new way to cure corona i hear

#

trump said it, must be true

ember snow
#

Trump clarified that “It wouldn’t be through injection,” and that he was talking about “cleaning, sterilization of an area,” and about applying the disinfectant to “a stationary object.”

sharp sentinel
#

So I'm curious if there are a list of ways that Paper/Spigot/Bukkit modify the vanilla experience

ember snow
#

paper breaks some redstone things

sharp sentinel
#

I'm playing a survival game with my partner on a server, and there have been a few oddities that I'm unsure whether are due to Paper etc, or just me not knowing how MC works anymore

#

Yeah I know of a few specific things

ember snow
#

and patches some glitches

#

like nbt removal

sharp sentinel
#

Just was curious if there is a list of behaviour changes etc

#

So realistically unless I'm exploiting bugs / relying on spawn mechanics I won't notice any changes?

ember snow
#

zero tick farms

#

but that is config I beileve

sharp sentinel
#

I'd consider zero tick farms "exploiting bugs" 😛

ember snow
#

I would too

#

but many people don't

#

most people don't understand spigot/paper/etc are modded

sharp sentinel
#

Yeah, I really only care about changes in intended gameplay behaviour

merry talon
#

I already inject bleach every time I see @spare venture talk

#

so I'm safe

ember snow
merry talon
#

unfortunately

#

the concentration I use is the percentage of what you say being smart

ember snow
#

then you wouldn't be injecting anything?

#

:kappa:

merry talon
#

both are true but you'd still lose the bet

#

just because of how much of an idiot you are

#

well sorry I'm not retarded enough to have done it before

#

you have to email them

#

also the api still has js challenges

lean kiln
void void
#

@spare venture Lol I did

tight token
#

anyone here have experience with dynmap .. or know what channel / maybe a different discord where i can ask for advise

wide shoal
#

@void void What are you using for data collection?

void void
#

For my discord server, I have my discord bot log how many people there are in the server at the end of each day (12PM PST) and for my mc server, I made a feature into my core that logs unique players, av online into a discord webhook that goes into a private channel only I can access in the server discord

#

I'd like a way to make it automatically done for me but I don't know how I'm gonna start with that.

#

I also got matrix but one thing that fucking frustrates me is that the developer obfuscated it probably due to "mY cOdE iS sPeCiaL" and I'm at the mercy of the dev if something breaks

#

k cool

ancient bolt
#

there is no such rule, stop making up stupid shit

#

labeling data by color is normal as fuck

void void
#

LOL

ancient bolt
#

it's actually...what you're supposed to do

void void
#

@ancient bolt what do you expect, I'm just a stupid kid

#

Barty my man knows this from experience

fallen oracle
#

Demon I think it's more of the fact that the entire key is the same color.

ancient bolt
#

yes barty you have a shit graph

tight token
#

@void void ... so .. its not that matrix is "SPECIAL" .. the developer doesn't want you to know how he goes about detecting stuff. Because if you can take it apart .. you can reverse a way to get around the thresholds he has set. AKA .. plugin becomes useless.

ancient bolt
#

thatnks for sharing

void void
#

LOL

fallen oracle
#

lol

void void
#

I'm editing it

#

i dont know how google spreadsheet work /s

fallen oracle
ancient bolt
#

his graph + his legend makes sense then

#

what's the confusion?

#

...the labels are above, are you looking at a published graph?

void void
#

This is why I tend to not share things before I actually finish them

tight token
#

@fallen oracle .. is that .. a readable graph ? is that legal ?

fallen oracle
#

lol

#

Our artist tries to make our graphs readable.

void void
#

@fallen oracle my eyes!

fallen oracle
#

They tend to help when it comes to knowing data.

void void
#

That's like light mode discord but worse -_-

fallen oracle
#

How...?

#

It's clearly readable.

void void
#

my eyes hurt

#

that's all

fallen oracle
#

I mean... at least my stuff is labeled.

void void
#

^^

tight token
#

@fallen oracle .. wait .. your collecting reasonable data and trying to make actual decisions based on it ... i al calling the cops .. your doing something wrong.

void void
#

aw I ^'d the wrong kid

fallen oracle
#

I can look into font changes if it bothers you

#

Lil bit of Cosmic Sans never hurt no one.

void void
tight token
#

wingdings?

#

so much better

#

Sans terminal ?

void void
#

oh big news

#

my pc corrupted and I lost all of my progress on Elite Core, API, PvP, Events

#

I was able to decompile JARs from ||2|| weeks ago

#

BSODd

tight token
#

hmmm

void void
#

worst thing is that it's only my Intellij Idea Projects folder that corrupted

#

yeah I did that

#

and the best thing I got were the JARs from 2 weeks ago

#

and those plugins have gone through a lot of changes the past 2 weeks

#

ya

tight token
#

@spare venture .. 100% agree

void void
#

I do, for 1 thing

tight token
void void
#

oh ya I forgot, I kinda start to regret naming my server elite minecrafters club

#

It's like a 1 year old trying to copy minemen club

tight token
#

you need to Minecraft_Diamondpickaxe you name carefully Minecraft_bee 4 you make a change

#

is ashamed he just did that - I am going to lose my mind soon

void void
#

yah but here's the thing

#

the past 1-2 months of stuff that I did

tight token
#

the thing ?

void void
#

would evolve around that name

tight token
#

ok, well thankfully its covid season .. you have plenty of time now

void void
#

no lol

#

before I started working on my Kitpvp server

#

I was planning to be a minigames network, Didnd't know much java so I scrapped that idea

tight token
#

if you do tiktok .. check "will from home: .. its's will smith basically loosing his mind being stuck at home .. lol

fallen oracle
#

Where's cat

#

He did a funny

void void
#

And then I wanted to be a survival network (Towny, Semi-Vanilla Survival, Skyblock), Didn't like SMP enough to continue the project

#

So then I set my brain to do one thing, Work on a KitPVP server

#

I always thought that having a network would mean more players

#

That's what happened to Memers Club (totally shit server btw)

#

ya

#

I also tend to like names with Club in there

pulsar wigeon
polar sonnet
#

So lol

#

Not sure which user my skyblock servrs running on

#

I have no idea

#

what user (linux user, seperate dir) is running my skyblock server

#

Like which user I have it running off of

#

I got it lol

void void
potent fossil
limber knotBOT
#

(DiscordBot) I'm Bo Yo - length 3m 56s - 5,287 likes, 484 dislikes (91.6%) - 465,650 views - Bo Burnham - Topic on 2016.11.12

onyx steeple
#

is it?

fallen oracle
#

Okay but at least link the original

inland bolt
potent fossil
#

the original is good but this studio version is A+

fallen oracle
#

Love Ballad

patent summit
#

I love papers community a lot better than spigot. If I even mentioned making a fork to change a few details for my server, that would be a riot in the forums.

vestal jasper
#

forks aren't supported SpongebobMock

void void
#

A fork of a fork of a fork of a fork

patent summit
#

Spigot is a fork 🕶️

#

🍴

cobalt surge
#

Ronski that's already been used;)

vestal jasper
#

it's said pretty much 10x a day at this point tbh

cobalt surge
#

Yep

nimble vine
neat yoke
cedar spade
#

🍽️

formal hazel
void void
bold mason
potent finch
#

Hello guys, just wanted to know what are the major differences between Paper and Waterfall 😐 *sorry for the newb question just trying to understand

latent valve
#

Paper is a fork of spigot (server)
Waterfall is a fork of bungee (proxy)

clear pilot
twin lagoon
#

they're two completely separate projects

potent finch
#

so basically Paper can be used for a single MC server and Waterfall is if you are running multiple connected MC servers 🤔

twin lagoon
#

yes

warm trail
potent finch
#

I see, thanks that clears up a lot of my questions 🙂

twin lagoon
#

office 365 education 😩

warm anchor
#

Free or you pay for it via school fee Think

limber knotBOT
#

school fees

#

paying for education

warm anchor
#

I mean technically we all pay for it assuming the school is taking government funding Think

void void
#

just do tax evasion

limber knotBOT
#

with the slight difference that everybody gets access, no matter how much taxes you pay ;)

spring brook
cosmic raft
#

shit

vestal jasper
#

No thanks

heady spear
#

kash y don't u have a sponsor button =((

vestal jasper
#

City how's the plugins going

heady spear
#

Good :] I need to take a break from plugin development to make sure I don't fail all my uni courses tho

void void
#

just drop out

#

fuck that

#

be like me PogU

heady spear
#

right

#

no thx

#

yall know of any portal plugins that aren't absolute shit?

#

I need to test my plugin you cow, I am not going to use this shit myself

void void
#

advancedportals kinda works

short yarrow
#

For the people that have premium plugins or does commissions, do you ever feel tied down to that project forever? Like a major bug occurs in your commissioned plugin you gotta fix it or your commissioned plugin performs badly and you gotta optimize it or for premium plugins you gotta add features and fix bugs until Minecraft dies

#

Idk if it's just me, but whenever I make something I feel obligated to maintain it and then I feel tied down to it forever

#

So I only work on personal projects now

woven otter
#

Updating and providing support indefinitely shouldn't be free

heady spear
#

Viper, nether portal events are a fucking mess.

short yarrow
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I'm trying to learn new stuff as well, but I feel like I'm spreading myself too thin. I'm not even great in one area and I'm trying to do other stuff

heady spear
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The player ones work alright, but entities don't trigger the portal event if the portal doesn't have a valid destination

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meanwhile the player one does

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so entities need to use portalenteredevent 🙂

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I use it to emulate vanilla nether portal behaviour

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but because spigot removed the travel agent, I need to replicate the portal creation using nms

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But ye, you can set destinations of nether portals without any problems ^-^

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It's just a pain in the ass if you want the portals to work like they do in vanilla.

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I wish we could have more portal blocks

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it makes sense from a mapmaking perspective

short yarrow
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oh do yall know how people generate text using these symbols | _?

heady spear
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Also I don't get the rationale behind removing the travel agent at all. It was said to be hard to maintain but like... no?

void void
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rgb into everything

limber knotBOT
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wait

void void
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do you want to turn minecraft into your average vidya gamer desktop

limber knotBOT
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you actually sponsor me city?

short yarrow
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oh it's called ASCII art I believe!

heady spear
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lol yes

limber knotBOT
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I didnt understand that yesterday, lol

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thanks :D

heady spear
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I think I gave you $5

limber knotBOT
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"Sauilitired started sponsoring you 15 hours ago"

heady spear
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but then github said they matched it

void void
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hydraxus there are ascii pr0n drawings too :^)

limber knotBOT
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yeah github matches shit for the first year since I was part in their alpha or smth

heady spear
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but hey minimessage saved me like 500 years of deserialization

short yarrow
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yeah this was what I was talking about. I found it!

void void
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echo "Wooo" | figlet ?

limber knotBOT
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and ye, minimessage is cool, just wait till it uses text

void void
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pog

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eta?

limber knotBOT
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maybe today

void void
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yes mini please

limber knotBOT
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everybody and their dog is part of epicgames viper

void void
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i'll fuckin

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idk

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what beer do you drink

heady spear
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lol you need to be a member of epicgames to compile UE4

void void
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how much does it cost

limber knotBOT
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they invite all the ppl

void void
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are you a student

limber knotBOT
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btw, github really likes opening this page :D

void void
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.g github student pack

limber knotBOT
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heady spear
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I got it from the edu pack but then I renewed the wrong account :<

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oh well, it's kinda useless now anyway

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as private repos are free 🤷‍♂️

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I wanna make a world generation plugin

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or well, another one

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but generators make me sinusoidal and I consider committing scooter ankle every time I have to work with them

limber knotBOT
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gitubs sponsor matching is actually insane btw

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my first payout will be > 100 usd

heady spear
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o

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tbf I have the second most downloaded world generator on spigot

void void
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sinusoidal friedlmao

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fuckin math nerd

heady spear
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fucking ASkyBlock has 424k downloads. I wonder if they're on bukkit, otherwise PS is still in the lead

void void
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asb is ded

wide chasm
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Afaik it's on Bukkit

void void
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as of 1.13

heady spear
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fuck it, they have 500k on there

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damnit

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World generation post 1.13 is fucking miserable ngl

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the API was a looooooot better before

void void
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my hs wasn't either

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i simply sent a picture of my...

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how is it called again Thonk

heady spear
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mine wasn't but I just used an edu email and they approved it

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🤷‍♂️

void void
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leymoo you do speak estonian or no, saw you were alive

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help me out

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lmao

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ah fuck it

heady spear
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Viper what generator r u forking?

void void
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.translate test

limber knotBOT
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(DiscordBot) The Translate API is off in the Google Developers Console.

heady spear
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I've been thinking of reviving some of the shit that died when 1.13 rolled out

void void
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fuck

inner valley
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leymoo you do speak estonian or no, saw you were alive
@void void no

heady spear
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y not

void void
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you're one of those who's grown in russian community or...?

inner valley
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yes

void void
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fair

heady spear
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Righty-o, TC looks cool