general

[limber knot]

what is?

it's sourced

so gtfo

runs

[austere ivy]

lol

no but actually hypixel is probably more popular

[limber knot]

"half of all players of the Java Edition itself" is probably wrong btw

[blazing nebula]

I bet hypixel has more active players than all of realms

[limber knot]

yeah

[austere ivy]

yeah I was thinking that

[limber knot]

I was #6,000 in the queue

it's not even correct for multiplayer only

while trying to steal their chat formatting strategies

they have what? 70k?

or wait, they ssay unique players

mineplex went from 40k to 1k

[austere ivy]

with 1st place having 70k+ players and 2nd place having like 5k players

[blazing nebula]

Mineplex is down to 1k?

[austere ivy]

yeah they're prreeetty giant

[blazing nebula]

I thought mineplex had atleast 5k

[limber knot]

might be right then, it's not too wrong to say that half the people playing minecraft have joined hypixel at least once

depends on the day

hell, two of my accounts have joined there xD

which is 50% so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[austere ivy]

Mineplex is very much dying, which I'm kinda sd for but then again I don't like them very much (they killed my favorite game of all time, Skyfall, and I've been trying to snatch the source code to it for a long time because I want to recreate it)

[limber knot]

tf is skyfall?

i saw hypixel in the lobby like, many years ago and I thought it was the coolest thing ever

[olive garden]

shotbow is also dying

[austere ivy]

it's pvp and chest-looting gameplay but with elytras and booster rings

[olive garden]

it has 130 players on right now

[austere ivy]

I used to play it for hours on end with my friends and we'd listen to songs on plug.dj together, it made us feel so epic

then they removed it

[olive garden]

like shotbow has some pretty fucking great and unique games

[blazing nebula]

I wanna see hypixel hit the 32 bit integer limit, then I'll be impressed. That's the only true max players

[olive garden]

MineZ? Annihiliation? Smash?

[austere ivy]

if Hypixel has half of the entire population of the world on it at one time, that's it, they've won Nasaak

[blazing nebula]

player count is sent as 32 bit limit tho

i think

[stiff yarrow]

I can't tell what you guys are debating tbh

[austere ivy]

we're not debating lol

[limber knot]

lmao

[mighty storm]

wait nossr arent you the mcmmo guy

[limber knot]

we are having a furious debate

[austere ivy]

nossr is that one guy who does that one thing and also did that one other thing once

[olive garden]

I am just angry that shotbow is dying while some stupid "let's trap ourselves in boxes and spam left click" pvp servers are alive.

[mighty storm]

we talkin about how trash hypixel is or smth?

[blazing nebula]

pvp servers are the worst type of server change my mind

[austere ivy]

oh yeah, I've forgotten about my weekly bstats check to see how mc versions are doing.

[limber knot]

I cant because you are right

[austere ivy]

this is pleasing to my eyes.

1.15.2 ruling, 1.12.2 and 1.8.8 happily existing.

I don't know why 1.14.4 is still even on that chart though

[limber knot]

I can do 15cps, no I can do 20!

hint: it doesn't matter

[blazing nebula]

why 1.12? because of 1.13+ lag?

[austere ivy]

yeah,

[limber knot]

yup

[austere ivy]

1.13+ is significantly slower on my computer

SIGNIFICANTLY

[blazing nebula]

what is ltt

[austere ivy]

even though 1.15.2 is wwaaaaayyy better than 1.13 in terms of performance on my little macbook, 1.12.2 still blows it outta the water

[blazing nebula]

he has a server?

[limber knot]

yeah jake said it was because of 1.13 lag iirc

[twin lagoon]

1.13.2 has better performance than 1.15 though

[blazing nebula]

I was not aware

[austere ivy]

jake#0001 that one?

[limber knot]

linus isnt

but jake is

[austere ivy]

@twin lagoon does it?

[twin lagoon]

in my experience it does

[austere ivy]

time to do a little test/

[peak dirge]

Mineteria still on 1.12.2 due to performance and our custom patches to add functionality we need

[twin lagoon]

meh, sticking to old versions isn't a problem for servers like mineteria probably

not going to miss out on many features anyway

[limber knot]

except rgb chat

[austere ivy]

To some servers, like mine, being on lower than 1.15.2 reduces players, if we even have any.

which we don't.

[blazing nebula]

is the integer in player count packet signed?

[olive garden]

it's probably a var int

[limber knot]

id assume so

java doesn't really care

[austere ivy]

tux did you do this landing page?

https://mineteria.com/how-to-play

[blazing nebula]

I really wanna set my player count to negative

[limber knot]

nice white page

[austere ivy]

looks absolutely amazing, really nice, fresh, and modern

[limber knot]

runs

[austere ivy]

is it just an image?

[blazing nebula]

That's actually super nice

[twin lagoon]

it's just a react app

[austere ivy]

if it's rendered client-side and it's static I'ma be mad

[limber knot]

a URI scheme for minecraft would be amazing

[twin lagoon]

also kudos for using react and not vuejs like everyone

[blazing nebula]

Its super nice looking though

[austere ivy]

it kinda looks like the html is programmed custom, nice

[twin lagoon]

it's react

.g reactjs

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://reactjs.org/ -- React – A JavaScript library for building user interfaces: "React makes it painless to create interactive UIs. Design simple views for each state in your application, and React will efficiently update and..."

[austere ivy]

niiiiiceeee

well done, absolutely well done.

[blazing nebula]

The shop is super clean as well

[twin lagoon]

that's not tebex

[blazing nebula]

I don't care how the fuck they made it im just saying it looks really nice

[twin lagoon]

imo mineteria's store is quite ugly

[blazing nebula]

i like the aesthetic

[twin lagoon]

but afaik they're creating something fresh soon

[peak dirge]

Speaking of Wikipedia

I need to fix some incorrect information on the Hypixel Wikipedia page.

[stiff yarrow]

@mighty storm yesh

[stiff yarrow]

if only a mod was around to rename him

[peak dirge]

fixed https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypixel&type=revision&diff=952570317&oldid=952523125

[pulsar wigeon]

dammit nossr i was doing that

[peak dirge]

@still smelt actually our store is fully custom, there is no Tebex to be found

but now that you've seen the "how to play" page, yes, the new shop is based on the same general design

[stiff yarrow]

Load has become my goto bgm for dev work lately

[peak dirge]

@austere ivy My only involvement in the landing page was to put it on Cloudflare Worker Sites and do some sick performance optimizations

for instance, it'll detect WebP and use that if it can, with the resultant big savings that comes with that

[limber knot]

I just wish it would run without javascript :P

[peak dirge]

Actually I can make the how to play page totally static

I love performance with zero development required

[limber knot]

yeah, I learned HTML coding recently

[twin lagoon]

@void void

pls push gradle paper

[fallen sleet]

html is programming

[twin lagoon]

[limber knot]

I bought one from a friend, it was $700, but very thorough

yeah I can even put it on a resume they say

I would only apply to google using a google doc

I couldn't stop telling my friends that I finally became a coder

[fallen sleet]

does this dude have two accounts

high quality scheisse posting

[limber knot]

only the highest of quality

[void void]

no won't push yet

[twin lagoon]

[void void]

it's pretty far from being usable

[twin lagoon]

[peak dirge]

And there you go. Compare: https://webpagetest.org/result/200422_35_dc5b3cc03262bbae0a789093c61c3c75/ and https://webpagetest.org/result/200423_TY_d266a53002e517bfd9c8b48c5fa08e11/

[worn ember]

I need to work with two "premium" resources and they're honestly horrible

One fucking deadlocks itself and the other it's API is pretty much shite

10/10 spigot experience

[void void]

[worn ember]

Findbugs lmao

[cosmic raft]

@void void you make me cry

[void void]

why

in a good or bad way

[cosmic raft]

bungeecord-chat

[void void]

that's paper

[cosmic raft]

I see no paper dependency there

so

[void void]

because it's paper itself

[cosmic raft]

lies

toothpick is not paper

[cosmic raft]

paper is paper!

[stuck lava]

unless it's toilet paper

[void void]

well right now it's still paper ;)

[stuck lava]

no love for TacoSpigot?

1.8? 😮

[worn ember]

Big doodoo

[void void]

ded ur a dookie

[worn ember]

Oh. That's not nice

[void void]

mmmh

hate it when this happens

[stuck lava]

lol

[void void]

have to do more xml hacks

[worn ember]

I hate when you happen

[onyx steeple]

Nooo

[void void]

ookie dookie

[onyx steeple]

I got sunburnt

[stuck lava]

imagine how easy the fix would be if we would forever stay on 1.8

[onyx steeple]

;_;

[stuck lava]

phew

[void void]

tf are you on about

[stuck lava]

I'm just sad

I'm sad 1.7 is dead

😐

[void void]

you're the only lunatic still mumbling about 1.8

[onyx steeple]

pvp is a lot better on 1.8

[cosmic raft]

being an annoying 5 year old is what they are doing

[void void]

besides gsand

[onyx steeple]

before that, it was better on 1.7

[stuck lava]

😂

[warm anchor]

Go sad somewhere else

[void void]

lol

[stuck lava]

1.6 anyone?

[onyx steeple]

it's a legitimate complaint

yeah

1.8 beta was my fav

[stuck lava]

imagine the time pre hoppers

[worn ember]

1.2.5 tbh

[stuck lava]

good stuff

y

[onyx steeple]

Ohhh yeah

1.2.5

[stuck lava]

think I started playing with 1.2.5

[worn ember]

I started in beta 1.8

[stuck lava]

oh well

maybe they'll fix pvp in 1.16

[worn ember]

PvP is fine

[stuck lava]

well it depends

[onyx steeple]

The version before they fixed the armor calculation bug was the best

[stuck lava]

u wanna stand there and wait to be raped by 10 zombies?

cause u can't hit em?

[onyx steeple]

obviously, not every aspect of it, but all complaints are legit.

[worn ember]

Just don't get hit

[stuck lava]

lol

[worn ember]

Gapples were so op in 1.8

[stuck lava]

I think it's kinda slow and boring... and considering what people were used to before...

[onyx steeple]

yes

[stuck lava]

I can imagine why so many are still sticking with 1.8

[worn ember]

Yeah well PvP in Minecraft sucks anyway

[stuck lava]

not to mention awesome performance updates

[onyx steeple]

That was also a legit complaint

Overpowered apples were legit

[worn ember]

You spend more time rubberbanding and lagging than actually hitting anything

[stuck lava]

GM1 is op too, let's put caps on that.. you can only place 1 block per minute

rip creative servers

what does rubberbanding have to do with 1.8 btw?

[worn ember]

I can one shot you now with a wooden axe. What more do you want

No just PvP in general

It sucks

[stuck lava]

ah ok

I'd say... considering where MC is going... MS wanted to get rid of PVPers and "toxic" players... and reduce no. of entities...

[onyx steeple]

Yeah

[stuck lava]

good luck fighting army of mobs on 1.9+

instead of fixing performance

[worn ember]

Spam click left mouse and space. Look mom I'm Minecraft pvper

[onyx steeple]

Competitive minecraft did help it though

although pvp'ers were toxic

[stuck lava]

GTA players are toxic too

so what

[onyx steeple]

Fortnite players are toxic

[stuck lava]

yea

[worn ember]

I honestly give 0 fucks about PvP anyway

[onyx steeple]

It's a game, people play it for fun

You're not gonna find yourself with it.

[stuck lava]

@worn ember let's say you build a house... go away... come back... and u find 50 zombies there

what's the idea then?

/suicide and start over elsewhere?

cause that's pretty much it

[limber knot]

what

is going on

[stuck lava]

nothing

[void void]

1 iq brain thinking is going on

[onyx steeple]

yeah

[limber knot]

ah i see

[onyx steeple]

half iq

[stuck lava]

• most of players didn't rush to update even tho mj tried to force that via launcher...
• server performance got considerably worse

new blocks? lol

[limber knot]

launcher updating the game? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT!

[stuck lava]

oh yea there's more... API changes and stuff broke tons of public plugins and stuff

things that people coded for fun

[worn ember]

There will never be that many...

[stuck lava]

cause they were bored

do you really expect them to update that stuff?

[limber knot]

yes

[stuck lava]

well they won't

[limber knot]

they are not obligated to

but someone could have made an alternative in... 5 years

[stuck lava]

guess there's not enough interest?

[onyx steeple]

Hytale?

[stuck lava]

wouldn't blame them considering what kind of updates MC is pushing

[void void]

nice i have millions of errors now

[worn ember]

1.8 people only complain. Too busy whining to do anything

[onyx steeple]

Yes

[stuck lava]

what can they do?

[limber knot]

muh pvp update the plugins! need muh pvp

[worn ember]

Update and quit crying

[onyx steeple]

It's a game

People play for fun

[stuck lava]

they don't want to update

it would be the same as tell you to downgrade lol

[onyx steeple]

it's okay to be displeased with significant changes

[worn ember]

Then that's their problem.

[stuck lava]

telling*

[blazing nebula]

all the versions were at peace until the combat update attacked

[onyx steeple]

Yes, it is

[void void]

😩

[worn ember]

Noob

[limber knot]

tests

[worn ember]

Just remove the tests

[limber knot]

lol

[void void]

should yeah

[stuck lava]

y

rm -rf /

[void void]

there we go

hey @twin lagoon https://github.com/mikroskeemsrealm/Toothpick this abomination kinda builds now

[limber knot]

lmao

[void void]

woop

[fierce gull]

I saw something somewhere that said paper improves villager pathfinding

Anyone know where I can find more info on that

[pulsar wigeon]

paper+gradle mikro?

lmao wow

[void void]

yes

now i need to figure out how grgit/jgit works

one is groovy disaster

another one is the root of the disaster

and this is full

[ancient bolt]

damn, it's only taken 1 1/2 years for someone else to get tired of waiting on me to do it

or has it been 2 years already

[void void]

its purpose is rather to make my (upcoming) paper fork management simpler

[ancient bolt]

ah damn

guess I still need to blow the dust off of paperweight and finish it 😦

[void void]

however i have neat pom reading snippets

makes life a lot simpler (by dependency management at least - no copypasting anymore)

[ancient bolt]

same

https://gist.github.com/DemonWav/f189ec550b12901fff13d1bf3238312c

[void void]

https://github.com/mikroskeemsrealm/Toothpick/blob/master/subprojects/server.gradle.kts#L65

[ancient bolt]

what library does kotlinx.dom.parseXml come from?

looks nice

well you aren't defining anything on the classpath, is that just in kotlin by default?

[void void]

see root build script

https://github.com/mikroskeemsrealm/Toothpick/blob/master/build.gradle.kts#L10

[ancient bolt]

oh nice

will be sure to use that instead

[void void]

yeah since... didn't java drop its xml stuff in later versions?

[ancient bolt]

not what I'm using

they dropped jaxb

[void void]

fair

[cosmic raft]

wtf is the point of that version variable

[void void]

seems odd for only single dependency yeah

[ancient bolt]

hmmm

[limber knot]

zoom

[void void]

MiniDigger your corsanywhere is down

and mappings viewer bork

[ancient bolt]

i need to get mcdev in a spot where earth can contribute to it and finish the current rewrite which I think I've made way overly complicated but w/e fuck me i guess

then i need to finish paperd and redo it's transport layer

then i can maybe come back to papergradle

but I'll get there eventually maybe

[lime mauve]

how many people here are server owners/managers? Been out for a few years, don't have work yet for after college and trying to get back into running a server again

Not sure if I'm going to start strictly one version of server or a hub

[void void]

you can bet that 99% are or at least were once owners/managers/admins/devs

[limber knot]

rip cloudflare newark

[lime mauve]

Makes sense

Thanks @void void

[merry talon]

welp here we go

my grandmother texted me saying her Netflix 'isn't working'

@lime mauve just don't try to do a minigame network

the only server I'd play on nowadays is a whitelisted SMP

[polar sonnet]

i am so lost

[vivid ivy]

I looked at minecraft server hosters out of sheer curiosity

Ah yes, would you like 100% or 200% cpu? We ain't tellin you which cpu though

Yes uhhh can i have uhh 200 gram i7 and maybe 100 gram of that i5 in the back and a couple slices of xeon

[slim nymph]

hack the slider and choose 400%

[merry talon]

[vivid ivy]

Inb4 200% of a 10 year old Celeron

There's pretty much no good / affordable root server hosters in germany

The only one that's decent uses exclusively Xeon Gold 6140 / 6230

Which is on the border of meh for single core performance

Might still go for it, still better than the shitty vps from a 5 year old contract I'm currently on.

I ain't paying 70€ a month for an i7 7700

[potent fossil]

anyone watched code8?

im considering it

doesnt look too bad.... but im worried its gonna be real bad

oh shit its directed by the dude who played arrow

🤔

okay fuck it ill give it a chance

[jagged egret]

So how's everyone doing

[potent fossil]

we vibin

[jagged egret]

noice

do you want to hear network hardware horror story

[heady spear]

i wanna jump into a trash bin and stay there for a month

[jagged egret]

dude same

[potent fossil]

im already in a trash bin

[jagged egret]

woah

simple y u gotta be one step ahead like that

[potent fossil]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XG3fb8rVjpk/maxresdefault.jpg

[heady spear]

can i join u

[potent fossil]

get your own trash bin you nasty

we can live next to each other, but this is my bin

[heady spear]

i gave u fucking nitro be nice

let me in

[potent fossil]

THERE'S NO ROOM

[jagged egret]

guys im getting a trash mansion

[heady spear]

idc make room

[jagged egret]

dumpster

[heady spear]

oo u fancy

[potent fossil]

ok u may enter

im naked tho

[heady spear]

good

[jagged egret]

what has my life become

[potent fossil]

[jagged egret]

what am i reading with my own two eyes

[heady spear]

bitch who unpledged from my patreon

whoever it is is gonna smell my shorts

how dare you not give me your hard earned money?!

[jagged egret]

would a really long person's shorts be a short person's longs

[heady spear]

yes

[jagged egret]

ok good

[heady spear]

ooo

nmf updated the emoji

[jagged egret]

but it's not square

idk what you'd call that shape

but not square

[heady spear]

PS stands for Penile Syphilis

[jagged egret]

PlotSquaregoned

[heady spear]

[jagged egret]

can i axe you a question

[heady spear]

wtf

be gone

[jagged egret]

nooo

[heady spear]

[jagged egret]

my dad jokes are punstoppable!

[heady spear]

why is this still around

this one is actually pretty tho ngl

^how tf will that look on IRC

[limber knot]

Just displayed one per line lol

[potent fossil]

🧻

youre right that does look like

[heady spear]

[quasi valley]

💩 this too

[heady spear]

there's only one you potato

different servers

[quasi valley]

Can’t see a difference

[heady spear]

o wait wat

[quasi valley]

[heady spear]

[jagged egret]

butwhy

[quasi valley]

[limber knot]

[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

[heady spear]

the sweddit ones are the worst

[quasi valley]

oO

[heady spear]

wtf r these

r/sweddit is a nightmare but I love it

[quasi valley]

Why is it a commi

[heady spear]

omfg

how do I not have one omg

[limber knot]

@mikroskeem, oh shit, thanks for the heads up, had issues with docker yesterday, created a new network and that service is the only one that didnt join the network...

deploying now

oh and about thoothpick, is patching faster?

oh its just calling the scripts

thats lame

:D

oh its not, rebuild and apply are raw git commands

[polar sonnet]

So I have an issue relating to a player on my server ig?

Somehow someone is running MC only commands in their browser out of nowere

[heady spear]

? lol

[vestal jasper]

?

[polar sonnet]

Lmao nbm

[latent valve]

Nbt editor

😂

[golden gust]

mfw didn't even google

[latent valve]

.g nbt edit minecrfat

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-tools/1262665-nbtexplorer-nbt-editor-for-windows-and-mac -- NBTExplorer - NBT Editor for Windows and Mac - Minecraft...: "NBTExplorer is a low-level graphical NBT data editor originally based on NBTedit. The key difference is NBTExplorer's full support for Minecraft ..."

[latent valve]

Ffs cant type

Ey still got that haha

[golden gust]

You do know that there are more results than the first one? rite?

[potent fossil]

im convinced viper doesnt actually google anything until someone tells him to

then he does the most halfass google search he can possible perform

blindly picks one of the results

and says "yeah, i did. look this is all i got."

[golden gust]

it's a data editor

am really not sure what you're looking for

if NBTeditor and that site don't do it for you, there ain't really much else beyond make your own

and?

...

[golden gust]

It's a data editor

it doesn't give a single shit about the schema, why would it?

It's not like mojang publishes that

amplified creates amazing mountains, etc

But, does blow ass on gen performance

well, gen is async now, so

[latent valve]

Who cares about performance???

[wide chasm]

My computer dies on amplified terrain

[golden gust]

We've actually been working with mojang to try to deal with this

wut

the gen type doesn't matter

generation in general is async unless you try to pull of a chunk on the main thread

So, for a standard server, not really a massive issue

if you had rtp type stuff on the server, that would probs blow more ass than city

[pseudo sapphire]

Helo

does anyone know any server hosts that are free and you can upload large world files to

[golden gust]

You get what you pay for

[polar sonnet]

none

[golden gust]

Storage, etc, is not free; So, there are some shitty free hosts not worth hosting much more than a 3 player slot servers which charge an arm and a leg if you even wanna move your stuff away from them

just pay the buck or two a month for some cheapo host

[polar sonnet]

zzzCat

Can I ask you a plugin question?

[golden gust]

just ask the channel

[polar sonnet]

ok

[heady spear]

ok wtf cat

[golden gust]

morning city

Nothing to see here

You know

Talking behind somebodies back is much harder on the internet

[vestal jasper]

Hi

My cats are chilling together :pog:

[golden gust]

inb4 ww3

[vestal jasper]

They're usually harassing each other

Luke keeps playing with Vader's tail

[polar sonnet]

How's everyone today

[golden gust]

is it bed time yet?

[twin lagoon]

cats

[vestal jasper]

Vae left. Luke annoyed him.

[twin lagoon]

[polar sonnet]

God I hate working with configs already

Literally just posted it not even a minute ago

[candid spindle]

this is so sad

[polar sonnet]

[granite salmon]

i dont get this mcbbs stuff

[golden gust]

it's a chinese community

Never heard of anybody having any issues with them, tbqh

[polar sonnet]

Should I allow him?

[granite salmon]

i've always let them but I've never understood it that much

[polar sonnet]

Whatever ig

Is it possible to hide a certian lore line?

[wide chasm]

Someone asked me as well, I just said yes, haven't had any problems with them.

[cobalt surge]

Wait cat sleeps??

[upper gulch]

How to do that players on the minecraft server use commands only through NPCs? I have plugin citizens2
For Russian people: Помогите, как сделать так что бы игроки использовали команды только черещ НПС? Есть плагин citizens2

[upper gulch]

Ok, thank

[upper gulch]

@still smelt i cant found info about /npc cmd. Can you give me link?

[cedar spade]

the Citizens wiki is at https://wiki.citizensnpcs.co/Citizens_Wiki and they've also got a Discord server iirc

[ashen cliff]

It should.

[pulsar wigeon]

that's not an assembly question (never mind a bytecode one)

shortcutting is part of the language spec

[cedar spade]

&& short cuts, & does not

[pulsar wigeon]

& is not a conditional operator

mhm

[grizzled hearth]

I wonder how Spigot gonna handle this: https://gyazo.com/0059ce425ff16a9d1134c1dc2057e590

[high gate]

Oh god

6 million enums time

[olive garden]

lol

[high gate]

or... 3x256 enums

[pulsar wigeon]

notably shortcutting is important on the language level because return boolA && boolMethodCall() wont run the method and any potential side effects of the method call if boolA is false

[grizzled hearth]

No, just a ActionBar

[pulsar wigeon]

yes

just re-sent with new colors

people do it all the time already

[grizzled hearth]

I mean

[pulsar wigeon]

it's for demonstration anyway

[grizzled hearth]

Holy

[lime mauve]

You’ve been able to do that for time now

I believe

[grizzled hearth]

No, is literally the last snapshot

Latest*

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-20w17a

The one released yesterday

[lime mauve]

Oof ok

[void void]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1AcB4x7JCWET0ysDr0gsX-EIdQSTyBtmi6OAW7bE0jm0/preview#slide=id.g70356bf6e4_0_262

oh no

[lime mauve]

Where is the Paper for 1.8?

nvm I found it

[limber knot]

unfortuantely it's still available via the legacy download

[lime mauve]

Unfortuantely? O_o

[grizzled hearth]

.howold

[limber knot]

1.8 is broken in so many ways

[grizzled hearth]

...

[limber knot]

yeah unfortunately

[lime mauve]

Isn't that what factions servers run on though?

[latent valve]

cool

[limber knot]

FactionsUUID supports 1.15.2

well they are broken too

smh

[lime mauve]

I heard most factions servers still run on 1.8 :p

[grizzled hearth]

Anyone knows how to update Ubuntu version on OVH?

Need to do it manually or just OVH have some fancy button to do it?

[limber knot]

same as you would for any ubuntu upgrade

idk I never update os

well factions is a broken concept and kiddies like using their auto clicker hacked clients ¯_(ツ)_/¯

they have a do-release-upgrade or something like that it was spelt that deals with the upgrade process

[grizzled hearth]

Thats the issue, i have never updated anything linux-based

[limber knot]

if you want a balanced PVP you want the modern PVP stuff, lol

[lime mauve]

Yes but don't most players want the non-modern stuff?

I'm just thinking for the largest variety of players

[limber knot]

https://www.howtogeek.com/351360/how-to-upgrade-to-the-latest-version-of-ubuntu/

[grizzled hearth]

It is safe or should i do some backups "just in case"?

[limber knot]

if you want a server full of cheating kids...

[golden gust]

do backups

always

upgrades are shaky af

[grizzled hearth]

Oh no, is Debian no Ubuntu oops

[golden gust]

Like, in 99.999999% of cases, they'll work perfectly fine

[lime mauve]

I used to run a quite successful factions server but stopped upgrading it at 1.8 too

[limber knot]

meh it's the same

[grizzled hearth]

Murphy law? I see

[lime mauve]

Didn't seem to lose any players because of not upgrading version however that was years ago

[void void]

just enusre that you know enough linux to recover data lol

[golden gust]

It's one of those things where if it's happy, it'll run perfectly fine

[void void]

system upgrades won't touch your /home

[golden gust]

all it takes is for a bad apt remove at some point many years ago that will break stuff

Ask me how I know 😦

[limber knot]

they don't need to touch your /home to destroy ur machine

[void void]

if you fuck up then just boot iso, mount the disk and copy

[limber knot]

sooo, github is down? Oo

no?

ah, now it loads again

just got a 504 before :S

restart your router -.-

lol no

ah, it shows up on the status page now too https://www.githubstatus.com/

[cedar spade]

that was a brief outage

[limber knot]

looks like it's still happening depending on repo

My repos are loading so i'm fine

[cedar spade]

huh

[limber knot]

oWo CLion 2020.1 got released few days ago

[ashen cliff]

God dammit Github, why can't you work when I need you?

[limber knot]

krusic22

[ashen cliff]

Me.

[limber knot]

what are you trying to load from GitHub? I seem to be able to load basically everything

[ashen cliff]

Already got what I wanted.
Stuck at 504 tho.
https://posili.me/i/2020-04-23_15-29-03.png

[void void]

looks like it might be location dependent

wtf github is down again

i can't get it either

does anyone know a decent solution for polling imap mailbox

and then posting the received emails to slack/mattermost/discord/whatever?

basically something similar to matrix-email bridge lol but more general purpose

(okay not bridge, i don't care about bidirectional communication)

[limber knot]

just use matrix

[void void]

that's not a solution

sadly

[limber knot]

maybe this

nvm

[void void]

anybody else using openjre for their server?

[grizzled hearth]

Would be good if Mojang force Java 11 for 1.16?

[void void]

jre only goes to 10 tho, it's discontinued

[limber knot]

what's java 1.16

i have autism i can't read

[void void]

dunno, do you mean the java XX in the top right corner of minecraft?

[limber knot]

Yes MrMaurice211 I feel like they could make some great refactoring of their current code with Java 11 to be honest.

[void void]

if so then i'm on java 14, tho i just wanted to use openjre as it's still in development

[grizzled hearth]

iirc MC 1.13 forced Java 8

[void void]

it's running identical so far

[limber knot]

Oni you can't use Java 14 to build paper

[void void]

no, you can use newer versions of jre

we aren't talking about paper right now :o

[golden gust]

their JVM does have some hacks in it last I knew because intel drivers are ass or something like that

So, god knows how easy it woul be for them to pull forward

But, they've pretty much already said that there is no real interest in upgrading the java version unless something massive drops out

I do wonder if they'll look into adopting records, that could be super nice

[limber knot]

Fibers!

[grizzled hearth]

Records?

[golden gust]

basically read-only properties

[void void]

It appears my old laptop had a heat death

Did some bga rework and tada it started working

[golden gust]

rip

[void void]

same issue as the old macbooks that would have the graphics chip die

easy fix luckily

blast 300C at it for a bit

[lime mauve]

Does anyone run a Factions server?

Neato

Ok so most are still on 1.8.8

Just checking out bStats it's actually answering most of my questions

Except which factions software is now the best, savage, uuid, or a custom one

[brittle dust]

when the hell did you guys update

jeez

[rugged python]

noob question: Should I download paperclip-211.jar or paperclip.jar from jenkins? Using ubuntu 18.04 if that makes any difference 🙂

mb they are the same?

[limber knot]

they are the same, yes

[rugged python]

thanks!

[lime mauve]

According to bStats, 54% of servers are still on 1.8.8

And 59% for saberfactions so at least >50% are still on 1.8

[limber knot]

that's worse than I thought, wow

I mean according to the global stats over 50% are on 1.15.2 lol

[lime mauve]

50% of servers in general yes

That's what viaversion type things are for though

[limber knot]

im looking at bstats and it says 13% 1.8

[limber knot]

which is significantly better

[pulsar wigeon]

That's what viaversion type things are for though

no it's not

bstats runs on the server, it gets the actual server version

oh wait, misunderstood that i think

thought he was trying to say 54% of servers are 1.8.8 compatible

[limber knot]

idk where that number came from

[pulsar wigeon]

in which case idk what he's talking about cuz in no way shape or form are 54% of servers on 1.8.8

[limber knot]

1.8 propaganda

mfw only 450 servers are using java 14

I'm far too lazy to update java

it's literally only two commands, lol

man thats a lot

[stuck lava]

1 too many

[lime mauve]

55% of servers running FactionsUUID are on 1.8.8

[pulsar wigeon]

so what

[limber knot]

nobody cares, lol

[lime mauve]

I was looking at specific plugin stats not global stats

[limber knot]

lmao

only 351 servers run it after all xD

[stuck lava]

who is running bstats?

would be awesome if they could add some more stats

[void void]

i made like 2 plugins in the past couple of days, just started :>

[stuck lava]

like stats of top 10% of servers (considering no. of players)

[limber knot]

there is a github repo where you can open an issue if you have ideas for it

[stuck lava]

or stats where bottom 10% would be excluded

[lime mauve]

I believe global statistics are more valuable

[pulsar wigeon]

yea those stats are useless

no one is programming for the top 10% of servers by player count

[limber knot]

also different factions plugins cater to different server versions ;)

10% of servers running desktop windows, lmao

[stuck lava]

OR ... stats where we could change range... ie show only stats of servers that are 1mo, 6mo, 1yr+ old

[lime mauve]

But I do agree that it would be nice to remove the statistics of smaller-no player servers since they clutter the data

[ashen cliff]

Not turning off metrics to save bytes.

[limber knot]

e.g. there are more 1.15.2 servers running the original Factions than there are servers running any kind of other fork on 1.8.8, lol

(at least on bstats)

[void void]

I'm playing on 1.15.2 :>

[stuck lava]

having there servers that exist only for a few days or even months and have no players on top of it...

[limber knot]

or just add an option to completely ignore the 50% offline mode servers

[stuck lava]

is kinda... bad if u ask me

[lime mauve]

I did see that @wheat quarry

It would be hard to measure server age.

[limber knot]

bstats is for devs to know how many server admins use your plugin

why would we care if a server has 3 or 300 players

[stuck lava]

well I'd suggest adding more optional filters

not fully excluding them from stats

[pulsar wigeon]

https://i.imgur.com/ayXzPg0.png lmao wtf is this

speaking of filters...

[limber knot]

I mean a graph which shows the distrubtion of max-player-counts to server count might be interesting

[stuck lava]

just to see what servers that are actually running long term are doing

[limber knot]

but plugins can add that themselves so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lime mauve]

Most servers in general are either on the latest version or 1.8.8

Globally, that is.

[stuck lava]

that's a lie

[pulsar wigeon]

that's a tautology

[stuck lava]

everyone is on 1.15.2

[limber knot]

some are stuck on 1.12 too so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stuck lava]

like everyone even hypickle

[void void]

most servers i found where on 1.8.something

[pulsar wigeon]

globally, most (>50%) are on 1.15.2

[stuck lava]

as soon as 1.16 is out they'll update... same day

[pulsar wigeon]

that means that it's tautological to says most are on 1.15.2 or any other version

[lime mauve]

54.2%+13.1%= 67.3%

[limber knot]

and 1.12 has just as many as 1.8

[pulsar wigeon]

it's completely true to say that most servers are on either 1.15.2. or 1.4.6

[stuck lava]

those are fake... they're in fact 1.15.2

[limber knot]

we need the combat update to get these dinosaurs off of 1.8

[pulsar wigeon]

heck, most servers are on either 1.15.2 or beta 1.7.3

[stuck lava]

lol

[void void]

i don't see the appeal to run on older versions

[limber knot]

I doubt any server that is still stuck on 1.8 would update

muh pvp!!!

[lime mauve]

More than two thirds of servers are on either 1.15.2, or 1.8.8, according to bStats.org

[stuck lava]

@void void don't forget about performance

[limber knot]

they have too much money invested and custom shit made

you "or 1.8.8" makes no fucking sense in context

[lime mauve]

I didn't realize someone was proctoring a logic class in this Discord.

[limber knot]

most people run 1.15, period. then there's a few people still running 1.8 and 1.12

[lime mauve]

@pulsar wigeon

[pulsar wigeon]

2/3rds of servers are on either 1.15.2 or 1.12.2 as well though

don't ping me

[void void]

ding me

[pulsar wigeon]

1.8.8 and 1.12.2 have approximately equal market share

[ashen cliff]

The multithreaded 1.5.x servers.

[lime mauve]

1% less yes

What I don't understand is why most servers run with 8 cores.

[pulsar wigeon]

66.8% vs 67.3%

[void void]

bit annoying when you wanna join a server and have to download another version of minecraft

[pulsar wigeon]

oh no not quite two thirds

jesus

[lime mauve]

66% is two thirds you're right

[stuck lava]

or so here's the question...

• most popular version by instance count
• most popular version by player count

[lime mauve]

no need to fuss

[void void]

66.66%

[pulsar wigeon]

66.6666...

[ashen cliff]

8 cores.
Actually 8 threads, so any Intel CPU since the i series.

[lime mauve]

I was simply making an observation

[cedar spade]

no, 66% is 33 fiftieths

[void void]

i'm on amd atm

[lime mauve]

That's what I meant @ashen cliff

[pulsar wigeon]

and i was saying that the observation was meaningless

because it's also true of 1.12.2

[stuck lava]

AMD is great but it sux

[limber knot]

wat

[stuck lava]

maybe 1 yr from now

[void void]

16 threads! ryzen is great

[cedar spade]

I have a Core i5 right in front of me with 4 threads

[ashen cliff]

Oh no.

[lime mauve]

But if I'm not mistaken, Minecraft can only be processed with a single thread?

[ashen cliff]

I'm sorry.

[cedar spade]

(it's an old refurbed laptop)

n- not really

[pulsar wigeon]

"can only be processed with a single thread"

wut even

[limber knot]

lmao wtf

[cedar spade]

that's not how threads

[stuck lava]

1.15.2 added full multithreading sapport

[limber knot]

1 single thread

[void void]

it's not good tho

[limber knot]

thats allya get

[worn ember]

Ur brain is single thread

[ashen cliff]

I can be processed on a single core... (just look at my last timings).

[void void]

be nice

ah the toaster

[cedar spade]

also can we draw attention to this:

AMD is great but it sux

what

[void void]

what

[limber knot]

lmao

amd bad hurr durr

[stuck lava]

is there a question?

[limber knot]

sounds like a lack of braincells

[void void]

amd is beating intel on everything

[stuck lava]

AMD 5Ghz CPU when?

[void void]

their gpus need to step it up, they're always behin

[cedar spade]

amd bad

ryzen exists

[void void]

in cpu at least

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, AMD sucks, It has build in auto overclocking, TPM build in, ECC support, fucking sucks man.

[limber knot]

caring about GPUs

[lime mauve]

So the latest version allows servers to run multithreaded?

[void void]

igpus are better than intels as well

[stuck lava]

5 Ghz when? on 8 cores

[limber knot]

people try running mc servers on a 2ghz FX and complain

[stuck lava]

😐

[pulsar wigeon]

every version can run multithreaded

[stuck lava]

100% multithreaded

[pulsar wigeon]

the main tick loop is the only thing bound to a single thread

[void void]

anybody tested how the new render engine for bedrock performs without any of the rtx stuff?

[stuck lava]

nah... they fixed that

[lime mauve]

Good to know thanks.

[stuck lava]

yea

just update to 1.15.2 and it's gonna fix all ur problems

[cedar spade]

1.15.2 ruined my marriage

[pulsar wigeon]

that rhetoric isn't really helpful either

[void void]

wait for 1.16

[lime mauve]

I'll be running a Factions server on 1.8.8 and others on the latest version

[stuck lava]

can't have problems and lag if ur offline

[lime mauve]

Well, 1.15.2

[stuck lava]

no 1.15.2 factions? 😦

but why

[ashen cliff]

1.15.2 ruined my 9900k server.

[stuck lava]

lol

[lime mauve]

^^

[ashen cliff]

I want a better one... oh wait.

[lime mauve]

1.15.2 Factions ruined my marriage

I wasn't married, but it ruined my marriage

[stuck lava]

@ashen cliff where did u get 9900k btw?

[limber knot]

9900k shared hosting?

[stuck lava]

OVH is still not adding it 😐

[ashen cliff]

Hetzner.

[stuck lava]

and hetzner has bad pings

ah

[ashen cliff]

Non EU detected.

[void void]

why doesn't paper have a plugin hosting site like spigot and bukkit?

[stuck lava]

I am from EU lol

but most of our players are not

[limber knot]

because spigot already has one

[ashen cliff]

It does tho.

[void void]

ye but the spigot site is super toxic

where?

[worn ember]

They have forums you can post on

[stuck lava]

I'm probably from the same country you are @ashen cliff 😂

[limber knot]

there's rarely any 100% paper plugins, and those few might go to github alone or the paper forums

[ashen cliff]

https://papermc.io/forums/c/plugin-releases

That would explain your intellect at the very least.

Not the ping tho.

[stuck lava]

well if u compare hetzner pings with OVH GRA pings...

for US/CA players

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, I don't target international markets.

[void void]

interesting

[limber knot]

its gonna be sub 100ms anywhere

fiber

• in north america at least

[ashen cliff]

OVH has better pearling for international connections.
If you setup multiple proxies and use OVHs internal network.

[limber knot]

players ping to the proxy doesn't matter if the server is further downstream

[lime mauve]

OVH seems to be the cheapest dedicated server provider

[stuck lava]

not really

[lime mauve]

For the quality?

[stuck lava]

9900k is cheaper at hetzner

7700k at OVH is 100+EUR iirc

[lime mauve]

Ok, hetzner I've seen lots of people posting about but it's based in Germany

[ashen cliff]

Well, the Hetzner 9900k is on fire 90% of the time.

[stuck lava]

lol

ok that's bad

[ashen cliff]

OVH water-cools servers, that you can even overclock yourself.

[stuck lava]

yea

[lime mauve]

I'm really curious when public corporations will start selling dedicated servers.

Aside from AWS and Google Cloud

Since they're quite expensive depending on what you're trying to do

[ashen cliff]

Who else is there to sell servers?

[lime mauve]

Lots of other companies could tap into the market.

[ashen cliff]

No one is going to deal with the issues, DoS n stuff.

[limber knot]

its also extremely fucking expensive

[lime mauve]

@stuck lava Hetzner may be good for EU servers but likely not US

[limber knot]

rack space is $$$$$

[stuck lava]

yea ik 😐

[lime mauve]

That's why I said public corporations but I am aware, hosting is highly expensive

[stuck lava]

and phoenixnap has crazy BW caps

[lime mauve]

Hardware and maintenance requires ridiculous overhead costs

[ashen cliff]

9900k very cool when you forget to enable the undervolt.

[stuck lava]

wow

good stuff 😄

[ashen cliff]

And if you know what you are doing:

[lime mauve]

How many of you have graduated college or are in school?

[stuck lava]

I guess that's manageable

working on it @lime mauve 😂

[lime mauve]

Fair

[stuck lava]

but yea... think it's been about 4 or 5 years since I was last at UNI

[limber knot]

I gotta start applying

[stuck lava]

😂

[ashen cliff]

Now I feel old again.

[lime mauve]

I'm about to finish undergrad so I'm starting up some servers to supplement income

[limber knot]

I wouldn't do that

[lime mauve]

Applying for jobs in the corona market is hard

Why not?@void void

[limber knot]

not profitable enough to replace even a minimum wage job

unless you get real lucky

[stuck lava]

lol

not really...

unless you make it work

[lime mauve]

I disagree with that statement to a good degree

[limber knot]

I don't see a way to sell $3000 worth of cosmetics every month

[ashen cliff]

Depends on the country really.

[lime mauve]

Working 40+ hours a week at $7.50 minimum wage is <1200 per month

[stuck lava]

if ur targeting people that have money... not third world countries... you can easily live off server that hits 300, 400 players on peaks

anywhere in EU/US

hell maybe 200 would even do

[lime mauve]

I would not accept such a low pay, and if I'm not mistaken I don't believe the Microsoft/Mojang is enforcing the EULA

[ashen cliff]

You can live of 100 players if you break the EULA without too many problems.

[stuck lava]

I guess

[limber knot]

well thats different

[stuck lava]

how?

[limber knot]

not following the eula

[stuck lava]

how?

[lime mauve]

There's networks with 1000+ players that don't follow EULA and they are making nutso money

[limber knot]

kids throw money at kits like theres no tomorrow

[stuck lava]

I think the main issue here is... nobody knows what is going to happen

and what MS will do

I can't say too much about it cause NDA

[ashen cliff]

Well we know what happens.

You just get blacklisted.

[stuck lava]

yea well that's not an issue rn

[lime mauve]

When was the last time Microsoft went blacklisting servers?

[stuck lava]

we're blacklisted on one server since idk how long ago

yesterday

[lime mauve]

Oof so they're starting to enforce it again?

[limber knot]

sweet

[ashen cliff]

They always did.

[stuck lava]

but if they won't fix bypass

[lime mauve]

What's the bypass?

[stuck lava]

and let it be the way it is now...

jeez man

SRV bypass?

u no read spigot and internet?

[lime mauve]

Oh just switching up subdomains/domains

[stuck lava]

yea

[lime mauve]

Every server that owns a top slot seems to be non-EULA compliant

[stuck lava]

you can do it auto with CF API and noip bot I guess

[pulsar wigeon]

let's not discuss the specifics of breaking ToS here thanks

[lime mauve]

Fair.

[stuck lava]

ah ok

anyhow... if mojang wont fix bypass

then I'm guessing we will keep seeing both type of servers

the ones that follow EULA and the ones that dont

maybe it would be in your best interest to follow EULA in future... because it could make your life easier

(gain players)

but that will probably only work out for big servers

[limber knot]

its generally in your best interest to follow license agreements you agreed to

[stuck lava]

if you have to

I mean... you sign up agreement, then the company would change agreement... and you by default have to follow that now?