#general | PaperMC | Page 586

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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the original "farlands" shit was about the random number generating only having so many bits of randomness

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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that’s when doubles be like

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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i think they fixed that but since entities aren't blocks...

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everything from positions to motion vectors uses floating points

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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i think float is/was used in a lot of places still

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:27 AM

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and as the numbers get larger the precision gets smaller. so entities start being...fuzzy

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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would have to fully get rid of all float's

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Floats are faster though so probably for best

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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though pos is all double now, as well as vectors

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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that's not true lol

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double is often faster

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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its not?

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oh to him

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Really?

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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i mean, doubles have the same issue

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they just retain enough precision for a lot longer

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 AM

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that kind of stuff can substantially increase memory footprint though

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I was under impression floats were less accurate but faster

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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havent you seen the 1gb/s demon lol

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actually its bytes/strings that take up most of it

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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most machines these days are 64 bit, so they handle 64 bit math in hardware natively

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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id love if we could figure out an easy reduction on string usage

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:29 AM

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and often can do bigger stuff like 128 and 256 bit calculations natively as well with special instructions

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but that's more complicated

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Strings are 82% of my data as of now lmao

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:30 AM

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@slim nymph yeah in minecraft's case floats & doubles aren't the biggest issue, but in other applications it can be

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I wasn't specifically talking about minecraft there

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there are other applications I've seen where switching from int to long increased heap usage by 5+ GB

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:31 AM

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That’s crazy, must be using a lot of ints

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:31 AM

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mostly very large arrays of ints

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but yes

cedar herald Apr 10, 2020, 2:31 AM

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ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:32 AM

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@slim nymph just call .intern() on every string, that'll reduce usage thonk

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:32 AM

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How much memory does each java object actually consume

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I wish Java had native string slice support

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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depends on the object...

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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an empty java object consumes 24 bytes at minimum I think

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not counting any pointers

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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ya 24

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Because like a Boolean doesn’t just take a bit and a byte doesn’t actually take a byte. How much wrapping does java use around that data

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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once you start putting shit into it it takes up a lot more

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:33 AM

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lol don't worry about Boolean

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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but also compressed oops is a thing

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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unless you're retarded you will always be using the cached instances

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Java has ways of optimizing pointers if you have under....i forget how big the heap can get

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but they are called OOPS which is fun

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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32gb

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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I may be retarded

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:34 AM

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4 gb max int * 8

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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most likely

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if you're in this discord, there's a good chance you're retarded

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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you're here

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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What do you mean by cached instances tho

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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The wrapped types tend to have a cache for values

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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boolean true == Boolean.TRUE

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:35 AM

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cached instances still need pointers to them

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but primitive values live on the stack

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so it's not free

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just allocation-less

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the pointer lives on the stack unless it's contained by a heap object

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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well yeah ur right in that sense, a Boolean ref is 4 bytes

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or 8 if you're over 32gb heap

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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wait holup

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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So the Boolean object is better to use than a primitive Boolean?

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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i just read that zgc doesn't support compressed oops

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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no

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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wat

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how the

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I have very low IQ sorry

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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just keep using true/false and stop worrying about optimizing

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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zgc uses colored pointers, it doesn't have room for compressed oops

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but those colored pointers let it scale to like 2+ TB of heap

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so it's really meant for heaps well past 32GB anyways

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I wonder how much worse my code is in my attempts to optimize crap

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:37 AM

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i mean

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we're not using 32gb+ heaps tbh

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compressed oops would be nice still :^)

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 AM

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minecraft isn't, other people are

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 AM

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yes i'm aware

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"we" meant MC

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 AM

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G1GC will probably be the best GC for MC thanks to aikar's optimized flags

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Still debating over GC's?

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:38 AM

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he's basically configured it to exactly handle minecraft's stupid allocation rate

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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bunch of people running zgc on j14 are getting less pauses

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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In the end does it really matter

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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that said they're probably also using more cpu

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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yes

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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(yes)

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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zgc aint free

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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it needs more testing

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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also read barriers :^)

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I don't really trust most people's claims

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:39 AM

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oh and then someone reported that once your heap is full you get lots of allocation pauses

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 AM

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yeah that's common with any allocator?

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 AM

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well, it's all hearsay aint it

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 AM

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My servers are using 1% cpu when idle with Shenandoah.

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 AM

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when idle

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no one fucking cares

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what did i tell you about shoving shen on us without data

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are we gonna do this for a third day in a row

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Idk, but it's different then G1GC which was using a bit more than that with idle.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:41 AM

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that's irrelevant

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snoop

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but also I don't really care about your server unless you have profiling info to share with us

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again, I trust very few people on this matter

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Specifically profiling data from what software?

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:42 AM

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if u knew what u were doing u'd know what data you need

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I don't operate a server with any kind of traffic so I can't do tests myself

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I also cba

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someone will do it I'm sure

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Does anyone know how to motivate oneself to get off their ass and get to work on code

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I do

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But I’m lazy

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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get the fuck off discord

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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that's such a stupid response barty

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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do you need help with that one? :^)

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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True, cya

tranquil solstice Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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(Wiz looking for a reason to use the hammer)

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:44 AM

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as someone who loves writing code and has to deal with massive burnout, I can tell you that's literally the stupidest fucking thing to say

tall smelt Apr 10, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Everyone here is so aggressive

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Okay I said I’d get off and I will I just wanna ask one more thing as I relate to Demon really hard on this, what’s the best way to deal with burnout or at least mitigate it?

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:47 AM

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do something else

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don't force yourself to do something when you don't feel it, you'll just teach yourself to dislike what you used to like doing

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I took a year and a half long break (at least) and only recently started working on stuff again and even now I'm working at 1/2 capacity compared to what I used to

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:48 AM

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this

blazing nebula Apr 10, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Thank you, that’s very true recently I feel like I’m forcing myself to do something I used to be so inspired and passionate about. Maybe it’s time for a break and to switch projects for a while

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:49 AM

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I agree with demon

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you're a stupid response demon

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thonk

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Oh wow you've never agreed with me before @static badge

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I think I have

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 AM

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prove it

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I agree that taylor swift isn't good music

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:51 AM

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bye

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:51 AM

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mod abuse

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:51 AM

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gg

void void Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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queen rapids Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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he did

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oh

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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it was a ban

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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he did yea

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unbanned now but like...

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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kekw

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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i mean, if aikar keeps fucking up his patches he'll stop contributing anyway

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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tbh you can strip my contributor rank

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he did mess it up

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...again

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Somebody was actually showing something earlier, apparently ZGC has this cool feature where it will pause a thread if its allocation rate is too high or something like that

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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so I am done

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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yikes

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way to go aikar

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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#drama bois

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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pfft don't blame him

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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and yes, we covered that cat

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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ZGC is such ❤️

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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out of everything this shit is only 10% of the reason I'm done

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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am i the other 90%

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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no

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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:(

queen rapids Apr 10, 2020, 2:53 AM

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whats the other 90

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:54 AM

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but seriously everyone here is probably sick of me complaining so I'm not gonna go over this again

queen rapids Apr 10, 2020, 2:54 AM

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😦

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 2:56 AM

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ooh mcdev has over 200k non-unique downloads now

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 3:00 AM

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furry

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 3:01 AM

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leaf is a dank furry, get it right

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 3:02 AM

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:monkaS:

static badge Apr 10, 2020, 3:04 AM

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shell vine Apr 10, 2020, 3:04 AM

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dont give up

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 3:06 AM

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smh he just comes back and yall harassing him already

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zbk had no idea how his IDE worked

void void Apr 10, 2020, 3:22 AM

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worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 3:22 AM

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i broke my minecraft

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i instantly die when i respawn lul

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📎 unknown.png

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i set the world border to the max range

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but its still outside it somehow

wind lantern Apr 10, 2020, 3:42 AM

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stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I feel like I've gotten used to the whole world being in hermit mode without realizing it

worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Hermit mode? The borders?

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Oh NVM you mean the real world staying inside

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Thinking is hard

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I just drove back from the grocery store and on the way back it occured to me that I've gotten used to the coronavirus world

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I need to go to the grocery store ugh

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Thursday is the best day of the week to go

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so I'll either need to do it tuesday or something idk

indigo fiber Apr 10, 2020, 4:13 AM

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//sidenote:
so what exactly are the zgc flags for Java 14

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 4:14 AM

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unlock experiemental and -XX:+UseZGC and -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 4:17 AM

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honestly that one has always just been anti dumb plugin

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sure but wont actually make a difference unless you have said dumb plugins running said explicit gc

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 5:01 AM

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don't install plugins called RandomGC then

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:-)

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 5:13 AM

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i know worldborder calls GC while filling...

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so thats one common case there

indigo fiber Apr 10, 2020, 5:43 AM

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so if I was to use Java 14 on my client, it would look like this?

-Xms2G -Xmx2G -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:-UseParallelGC -XX:-UseParallelOldGC -XX:-UseG1GC -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch ?

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 5:47 AM

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aha! is alive!

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 5:51 AM

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r they far away from u

glad jasper Apr 10, 2020, 6:15 AM

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vestal jasper Apr 10, 2020, 6:17 AM

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What a join message

past shale Apr 10, 2020, 6:29 AM

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orchid pelican Apr 10, 2020, 6:56 AM

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I need spellcheck for Minecraft chat

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irc you didn't see that

fierce temple Apr 10, 2020, 6:58 AM

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java.nio.channels.ClosedChannelException: null
        at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AbstractUnsafe.write(...)(Unknown Source)```
anyone know how to fix this error?, player cant join server

orchid pelican Apr 10, 2020, 6:59 AM

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get in the help channel you scoundril

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 AM

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good morning ladies

vestal cargo Apr 10, 2020, 7:38 AM

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pearl glacier Apr 10, 2020, 7:42 AM

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tough tinsel Apr 10, 2020, 8:14 AM

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rancid cobalt Apr 10, 2020, 8:52 AM

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void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:01 AM

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gritty raptor Apr 10, 2020, 10:02 AM

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hollow cloak Apr 10, 2020, 10:03 AM

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frigid ferry Apr 10, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Is it possible to DM people on the Paper forums?

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I can't seem to find a message button.

woven otter Apr 10, 2020, 10:15 AM

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what happened to leaf boi

vestal jasper Apr 10, 2020, 10:18 AM

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he's still here

woven otter Apr 10, 2020, 10:22 AM

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yes but that drama tho

inland fiber Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Holy this is cool https://github.com/Macuyiko/minecraft-python

GitHub

Macuyiko/minecraft-python

A Jython driven plugin and interpreter system for Minecraft (on top of Spigot) - Macuyiko/minecraft-python

merry schooner Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 AM

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woven otter Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 AM

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wait what is this:
https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/conversations/Conversation.html
since when is that a thing

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 AM

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long ago

woven otter Apr 10, 2020, 10:40 AM

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I have never seen that used anywhere until now

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:41 AM

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shame on you

woven otter Apr 10, 2020, 10:44 AM

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no u

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:45 AM

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👻

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The conversations API is really powerful, but yeah, it's not used as much

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probably because it's not that user friendly

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it's great though

delicate ivy Apr 10, 2020, 11:20 AM

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sour walrus Apr 10, 2020, 11:23 AM

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olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Java 1.8 😐

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 11:58 AM

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the error is pretty clear in itself, just report it to optifine

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alright, this was probably the best support case of this year yet: running ProtocolSupport AND ViaBackwards.. on a 1.8 server, and ignoring both of these giant banner warnings https://i.imgur.com/AjB94RV.png

Imgur

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and sending me a private message instead of waiting 3 seconds in the support channel

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 12:13 PM

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👏

oak quiver Apr 10, 2020, 12:14 PM

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👏

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Waiting 3 entire seconds? That's way too long.

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:16 PM

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what draaaama

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did I miss drama

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 12:16 PM

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No, not here

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I think

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Drama.
Just Leaf getting buzzed by someone changing his patches.

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:17 PM

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.-.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 12:21 PM

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alright, now they messages me again in private

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even though they already got the response in the support channel

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Lol opening plugins

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Ah yes, let me wrap my plugin in a .msi to install itself

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:26 PM

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Why would anyone willingly message Kenny

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 12:26 PM

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I don't know, they're an absolute lunatic!

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Y'all look I just made ugly:

public <T, V extends PlotFlag<T, ?>> T getFlag(final V flag) {
        final Class<?> flagClass = flag.getClass();
        final PlotFlag<?, ?> flagInstance = this.flagContainer.getFlagErased(flagClass);
        return FlagContainer.<T, V>castUnsafe(flagInstance).getValue();
    }

Sometimes I'm impressed with my ability to write dumb code

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 12:30 PM

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ah an ugly, I love it.

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:31 PM

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generics r the worst, I love them

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Generics are great as long as you don't try too hard. When you do, it becomes hell.

daring granite Apr 10, 2020, 12:43 PM

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worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 12:45 PM

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@heady spear i'm watching this swedish streamer and hes like "sweeds dont give a fuck about quarantine" xD

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 12:46 PM

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very true

rain sun Apr 10, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Guys, tell me please, decided to make a classic server on 1.8, which core is better to choose? paper?

latent valve Apr 10, 2020, 12:51 PM

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What is QuaRAmTinE?

short yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 1:03 PM

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so anyone good with tensorflow and machine learning?

shy rivet Apr 10, 2020, 1:11 PM

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undone niche Apr 10, 2020, 1:16 PM

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slender vault Apr 10, 2020, 1:41 PM

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noble orchid Apr 10, 2020, 1:42 PM

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void void Apr 10, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Whats a good plugin for NPC SHOP 1.15.2?

unreal quarry Apr 10, 2020, 2:02 PM

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.g plugin npc shop 1.15.2

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 2:02 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/supremeshops-block-sign-gui-shop-npc-merchants-renting-dynamic-prices.70235/ -- SupremeShops Block/sign/GUI shop, NPC merchants, renting ...: "The most complete and powerful shops plugin ever seen for Spigot. [1.7-1.15] [test server available]"

fleet umbra Apr 10, 2020, 2:04 PM

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rancid kernel Apr 10, 2020, 2:10 PM

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abstract shuttle Apr 10, 2020, 2:22 PM

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ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Instead of central AC, we need central compressed air.

void void Apr 10, 2020, 2:31 PM

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@unreal quarry thats for trading

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grand void Apr 10, 2020, 2:56 PM

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oak coral Apr 10, 2020, 2:57 PM

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wispy shadow Apr 10, 2020, 3:03 PM

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light python Apr 10, 2020, 3:06 PM

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soft coral Apr 10, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Can anyone help me with InfoBoardReborn?

split pasture Apr 10, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Hello, I'm searching a normal survival server that uses CubicChunk, does anyone know such Minecraft server ?

latent valve Apr 10, 2020, 3:20 PM

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.g CubicChunk

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 3:20 PM

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(DiscordBot) https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/opencubicchunks -- OpenCubicChunks - Mods - Minecraft - CurseForge: "Mar 23, 2020 ... Q: Can MCEdit load CubicChunks worlds? A: No, but a replacement of MCEdit that is planned to be compatible is currently worked on...."

royal depot Apr 10, 2020, 3:27 PM

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trail tide Apr 10, 2020, 3:30 PM

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deep onyx Apr 10, 2020, 3:33 PM

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ruby edge Apr 10, 2020, 3:40 PM

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idle agate Apr 10, 2020, 3:41 PM

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void void Apr 10, 2020, 4:06 PM

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what project

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 4:09 PM

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prolly his system info plugin thingy

smoky rune Apr 10, 2020, 4:24 PM

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heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 4:25 PM

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"an amazing plugin"

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bruh

quiet isle Apr 10, 2020, 4:25 PM

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void void Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM

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📎 image.png

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epic

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also found the culprit

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emacs pepegahammer

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truly worth its name, "eight megabytes and constantly swapping"

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 4:42 PM

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that's what you get

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 4:43 PM

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lmao

mental crystal Apr 10, 2020, 4:48 PM

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faint maple Apr 10, 2020, 5:04 PM

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elder juniper Apr 10, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Anybody know any good free anticheats

tacit crown Apr 10, 2020, 5:12 PM

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foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Anybody know any good free anticheats
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/anti-cheat-list-bukkit-and-spigot-1-14-x/

Anti Cheat List (Bukkit and Spigot) - 1.14.X | SpigotMC - High Perf...

The home of Spigot a high performance, no lag customized CraftBukkit Minecraft server API, and BungeeCord, the cloud server proxy.

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Look at the review etc ^^

elder juniper Apr 10, 2020, 5:14 PM

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What one is the easiest to setup

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Alot of them need configuring

foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:14 PM

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I tried horizon, worked well

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:14 PM

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~~do you also want a cookie with your anticheat?~~

foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:14 PM

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but I do not use anticheat anymore, cheaters are funny 🙂

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Hello,

Do you know any good plugin just to give spawner (any type, like blaze) to a player?

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I generally just give the player a spawner and an egg

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I did finally get spawners working iirc, but they're a PITA

foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:16 PM

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can create problem with player that change other players spawners etc.. :c

grim topaz Apr 10, 2020, 5:17 PM

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foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:17 PM

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https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/spawner

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I just saw that ^^
And also that
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/silkspawners-updated-to-1-15.69705/

time to try :p

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

SilkSpawners (UPDATED TO 1.15)

ocean marlin Apr 10, 2020, 5:18 PM

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foggy elbow Apr 10, 2020, 5:18 PM

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:maybe try using epicspawners thinking_gun :

tropic flame Apr 10, 2020, 5:21 PM

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📎 IMG_20200410_182131.jpg

unreal quarry Apr 10, 2020, 5:25 PM

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my son said something similar to that 😛 my response was simply that schools are probably trying to separate work from play (and discord is aimed at gamers for gaming)

unreal sparrow Apr 10, 2020, 5:25 PM

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limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:25 PM

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using discord for classes sounds like the worst idea possible

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beginning with occasional outage 👀

lament bane Apr 10, 2020, 5:26 PM

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limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:27 PM

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school of a friend of mine uses teamspeak for online classes

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our uni partially uses mumble, both are pretty fine, cuz dat self hosted-ness and security

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 5:29 PM

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is discord also trying to do that game launcher thing lol

void void Apr 10, 2020, 5:33 PM

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tropic flame Apr 10, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Billy, well 🤷 that sounds reasonable

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:34 PM

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didn't discord stop trying to be a game store?

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 5:36 PM

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https://vuegg.now.sh
wow this is cool o.o

vuegg

vue GUI generator

tropic flame Apr 10, 2020, 5:37 PM

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yeah they closed the store and I think you only have access to what you had downloaded already

unreal quarry Apr 10, 2020, 5:39 PM

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advertising to gamers was a smart move on discord's part, and personally i believe its why its been so successful. but to try and change that image now, its a bit late for that ^_^ plus they still have remnants of it all over the place that would make it non-appealing to anything not gamer related (especially like a school, or business, or medical group trying to save the world from covid-19)

📎 unknown.png

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 5:40 PM

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also Zoom is designed for conferencing and large calls so there's that

tropic flame Apr 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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i've heard that Zoom has a few security flaws tho

fallen oracle Apr 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I think that's a fair point, Billy.

tropic flame Apr 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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but yeah

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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just use an open source one ¯_(ツ)_/¯

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 5:41 PM

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it does but supposedly they've been working to fix them

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:42 PM

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https://www.privacytools.io/software/real-time-communication/#teamchat ;D

PrivacyTools

Real-Time Communication | PrivacyTools

Discover secure and private ways to communicate with others online without letting any third parties read your messages.

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@heady spear that's actually a pretty nice project

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where did you find it?

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I went on the github marketplace lol

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 5:43 PM

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oh lol

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Didn't think people actually use it

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phoenix: that's just another app no one has ever heard of

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Nevermind, that's actually a list of apps

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:44 PM

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these three are literally the ones almost everybody who cares about open source and privacy has heard of ¯_(ツ)_/¯

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 5:45 PM

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if u cover ur eyes when you talk to people u cant see the covid so it ignores u

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 5:45 PM

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jitsi is also pretty cool for video conferences

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 5:45 PM

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we could also change classes to night time when covid is sleeping

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 5:45 PM

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the github marketplace is pretty neat tbh

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there are some cool stuff on there

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is* >.<

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 5:53 PM

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so the book Java Concurrency in Practice, is it outaded? it's from 2006 and uses Java 5 o.o

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 5:54 PM

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probably missing some of the new fancy toys available but i think a lot of principles hold true

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been a long time since i looked at it tho

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 6:03 PM

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chunk generation is asynchronous, right?

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 6:03 PM

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yes

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as long as you dont trigger it as a sync chunk load

small ice Apr 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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brave summit Apr 10, 2020, 6:14 PM

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golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 6:25 PM

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you have a data file for structures or something which is "large" enough that it's apparently taking too long to save

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not really, there is no debug for it afaik

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best you've got is to look in the data folder of the world(s)

void void Apr 10, 2020, 6:28 PM

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pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/this-is-fine-QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO

Giphy

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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oh yay a 117mb scorebvoard file

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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yea, could be that too

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Pretty sure that's saved in the same place

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(large scoreboard files can also cause a whoooole massive set of other issues)

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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o while you're here do you know where the structure & ore generation occurs? like which classes?

slim nymph Apr 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/justin-bieber-food-yummy-dZRlFW1sbFEpG good luck finding that

Giphy

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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wooo

void void Apr 10, 2020, 6:40 PM

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that made me hungry af aikar...

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hi

alpine totem Apr 10, 2020, 6:43 PM

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cloud imp Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Does anyone know if there will be an Enable Zero Tick Farms feature for Paper 1.16?

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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no

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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lol no

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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we don't add bugs back to the game that mojang has fixed

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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will you bring back a fixed bug

void void Apr 10, 2020, 6:48 PM

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fucking rolling my eyes so far back into my head that i feel pain

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 6:49 PM

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I'm sure there will be a plugin for it though

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it will probably suck, but whatever

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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~~or another 200€ mcmarket scam~~

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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😍

void void Apr 10, 2020, 6:50 PM

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this is gonna be the next reason people dont ever update from whateverthefuckversion

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just so they can have zero tick

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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never got that to work properly, lol

void void Apr 10, 2020, 6:52 PM

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just dont reach out to their support because they're retards

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just, dont ever do it

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:55 PM

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what in the fok is that new default IJ font https://i.imgur.com/2uVDnwc.png

Imgur

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or it may just be larger thonk

honest pulsar Apr 10, 2020, 6:57 PM

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limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 6:57 PM

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using the default font

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it's too large

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then it's too small lmao

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13 is larger than before, 12 is smaller

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so ehhhhh

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what do you use, phoenix :p

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just use Liberation Mono

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runs

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https://i.phoenix616.dev/cIRTl0YY.png size 14 btw

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?

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looks just like consolas

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no idea, I don't know any fonts. lol

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ah, yeah

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Casuals:
https://posili.me/i/2020-04-10_21-00-19.png

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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it's pretty awesome

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:aaa:

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:00 PM

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it's called rainbow brackets or w/e and it's dumb fite me

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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it is dumb but i like it anyway, it brings color to this dull world

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the real problem there

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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gonna install it right now.

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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is why do you have 4 nested for loops

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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semantic highlighting brings all the color I need

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:01 PM

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x y z section y

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used 4 nested for loops the other day

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I also have rainbow indention markers ;D

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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granted that code never worked and I revised it to use one for loop instead but that's beside the point

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:02 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/curbyourenthusiasm-l2RnudaRyTAW6xDnW

Giphy

Curb Your Enthusiasm

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not happy about it though

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maybe your pc is just a piece of shit

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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use matrices

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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yes

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Yes.

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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idk, i dont use amd

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I have a free version of this if anyone wants it https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/tabular-type-foundry/comic-code?tab=glyphs

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Everything is bad compared to something.

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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o.O

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

#

uh

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I think I'll keep my Fira Code though

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:04 PM

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demon that triggers me

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plz delete or be sued

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:05 PM

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📎 Screenshot_from_2020-04-10_12-05-45.png

void void Apr 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

#

ree

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:06 PM

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oO

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get the blowtorch

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:08 PM

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📎 Comic_Sans_MS_MonoWide_Regular.ttf

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Dear fucking god.

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My eyes.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:10 PM

#

KennyTV: I like my font/colours

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https://i.imgur.com/S6VFsFU.png

Imgur

b7b60885-3739-4bee-b464-f0e924a125a5

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looks too purple :D

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what's the font and size?

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:13 PM

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speaking of mcmarket memes

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

or wait, sorry

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I could take Velocity, slap on the BungeeCord API, and then sell it as "optimized BungeeCord"

barren island Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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for 300€, of course.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I mean velocity should implement the bungeecord API

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I could call it FuryCord, and yes, sell it for $300

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

KennyTV: https://i.imgur.com/FI9794u.png

Imgur

7cb61e94-1381-44b6-bcb8-2632cc4cbc21

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and don't link the source

#

that's the proper look, sorry

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:14 PM

#

being compatible with bungeecord plugins would boost velocity's appeal quite a lot

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:15 PM

#

KennyTV: settings: https://i.imgur.com/WsCbqsy.png

Imgur

f6a422bb-b034-4f71-bd78-4c1a35982b9a

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I'm just scared of the indention

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:16 PM

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font reminds me of Menlo, the default Monospace font on macOS

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:16 PM

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2-space indentation is something I wish I started doing a long time ago

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4-space indents just waste space

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it all looks so squashed :x

#

KennyTV: https://github.com/kashike/dotfiles.intellij/tree/master/.IntelliJIdea2019.3/config

GitHub

kashike/dotfiles.intellij

Contribute to kashike/dotfiles.intellij development by creating an account on GitHub.

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just keeping font size normal/not high is enough for me

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Yeah, I think supporting the Waterfall API in Velocity might be a better idea than making my own Sponge-inspired API.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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ah

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

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In retrospect, I think I should've just done a separate implementation of BungeeCord without all the barf

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Lmao. IntelliJ now is asking me to replace some ternary operators with Math.max(int a, int b). Same thing, but wrapped in that method.

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Because the actual universe of Velocity plugins is really small, and that's excluding the fact the biggest publically known user is... my server

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Well, more like "suggesting".

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Math.max(a, b) is better than a > b ? a : b

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it's much more clear

torn cradle Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:18 PM

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IntelliJ is right

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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much more readable

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IntelliJ gave you the right suggestion, you should take it

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I did.

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

#

I almost got someone to switch to Velocity, but :"Muh Plugins".

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

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but the method call overhead of math.max... /s

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:19 PM

#

~~you only need Via, that's it~~

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

#

LiteBans

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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some people actually believe that wiz

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I actually was gonna say that, wiz. :P

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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it's nuts

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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it has to call an invoke!!!

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and return a value through the stack frame!!!

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

#

were you going to say that non-ironically?

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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method call overhead
jvm has jit
jit can inline

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:20 PM

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what's a jit?

#

runs

#

is landis a jit

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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pepega

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

  @HotSpotIntrinsicCandidate
  public static int max(int a, int b) {
    return a >= b ? a : b;
  }

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

wait that's a git

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

jit is fake news

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

runs

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Please be patient, I have autism. pepega

torn cradle Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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wtf intellij does that

#

insane

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

#

what is insane about it

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Paper AOT lib when?

torn cradle Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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im an eclipse user

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that's what makes it insane

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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run openj9 lol

torn cradle Apr 10, 2020, 7:21 PM

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not used to that fancy cool suggestions

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Someone actually made a native image and AOT for Paper.

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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if you havent tried intellij it'll blow your mind

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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omg the stdlib uses >=? hat's inefficient, since it has to run 2 instructions instead of 1. You should definitely not call that method

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

i used to use eclipse, switched to IJ and have never looked back

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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smh

torn cradle Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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i used it a while ago but i didnt know how to do things so i gave up

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and went back to eclipse

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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There was a time long ago when that was actually true in C land, but yeah

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

It's a bit different setup but so worth it

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

#

Aren't both > and >= separate assembly instructions? Maybe the cpu does two things, though.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:22 PM

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yes they are both individual instructions in practice

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

#

this would be optimized by the compiler, no

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

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even on platforms where they're not the compiler will just transform that into a < check

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:23 PM

#

So does the CPU have to perform two operations? Since they're both two different instructions in Assembly and not a combination of multiple instructions.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:24 PM

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no it's probably a jge instruction

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TIL jnl "jump if not less" http://unixwiz.net/techtips/x86-jumps.html

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Okay, I see what you mean now, only on platforms where they're not equal the transformation to < happens. I was confused as to why it would optimize if they were just separate instructions.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:26 PM

#

yeah on x86 the concept of not having enough instructions isn't really a thing

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:27 PM

#

finally

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:27 PM

#

inb4 switching all >= to < /s

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

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inb4 using >> 2 instead of / 4

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

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It's the same.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

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:oo

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

#

Could just be GCC.
https://posili.me/i/2020-04-10_21-27-41.png
https://posili.me/i/2020-04-10_21-28-04.png

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(or me being stupid)

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

#

inb4 multithreaded bitshifts

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:28 PM

#

thinksmart

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Then we can finally sell this on mc market for 800 dollars 🙂

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I can send packets to clients not on the server thread right

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

#

inb5

a = a^b
b = a^b
a = a^b

instead of

c = a
a = b
b = c

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

#

but allocating another variable

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:29 PM

#

yes iso

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

What?

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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KennyTV: guess what

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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What if my server runs out of memory because of that variable, hmm?

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Lmao.

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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This is clearly an important optimization.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

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well, just download more ram

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

XD

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

all real programming languages should support a, b = b, a syntax

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Java left the chat

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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wtf would that even do

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guess what what, kashike :p

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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then you can use the single swap instruction

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Swap the variables.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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KennyTV: I dunno :P

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Python left the chat.

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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...python has that

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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But Python is not a "real" programming language. :>

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That shit is like better Bash, no more. :>

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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This is why we should switch the entire project to Assembly - finally we can use the swap instruction.

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:31 PM

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python is just a snake, smh

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Kotlin's way of doing it is, uh...

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Ew.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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a = b.also { b = a }

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Kotlin.

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My eyes!

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Wtf is that

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

^

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

and then there's Java

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

it's language abuse is what it is

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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int x = 10; 
int y = 5; 
x = x + y; 
y = x - y; 
x = x - y;

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:-)

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

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XD

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

@cosmic raft I already did that but with xor above

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

wait did IJ always show docs on hovering over methods? https://i.imgur.com/F8diXfa.png

Imgur

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

for clarity the also extension function is not intended to be used like that

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

Yes Kenny

#

Configurable though

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

oh interesting

#

then it's on by default now I suppose

#

or I was just blind and deaf

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

Afaik there's a delay before it shows.

#

I think it was 1000 ms by default, but may have changed

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

now it's -30ms, it shows before you even think about hovering for it

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

kotlin can do val (a1, b1) = b to a

#

but meh

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

quite a nice feature, glad I see it now lol

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

not exactly a thing you need to do very often

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

the closest thing I do to swapping is

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final A a = this.a
this.a = null;
// do something with a now

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:36 PM

#

what should I have for lunch

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:36 PM

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i basically never actually swap variables

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@ancient bolt tacos

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why do you even ask!

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:36 PM

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cause i like to have variety

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idk if I'm feeling tacos right this second

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:36 PM

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hmm

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chinese?

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pizza?

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:37 PM

#

kashike I get panic attacks from having to declare variables as final because "Local variable used in lambda expression must be final or effectively final"

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I just slap a final in front of everything :p

wide chasm Apr 10, 2020, 7:37 PM

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The amount of times that it happens and is also super inconvenient is just argh

#

I usually either remove the stream (if it is a stream) and just write it out normally, or for anonymous classes throw another final variable at it.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:42 PM

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@cosmic raft okay order placed for tacos

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:43 PM

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we wouldn't have expected any less

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:43 PM

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woohoo

onyx steeple Apr 10, 2020, 7:44 PM

#

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore hospital bed use, need for intensive care beds, and ventilator use due to COVID-19 based on projected deaths

#

Woo woo!

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 7:44 PM

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once more: imagine living in the us

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:47 PM

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@onyx steeple seems overly optimistic

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Shaded areas indicate uncertainty

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that's a lot of uncertainty lol

onyx steeple Apr 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Link?

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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what are you talking about, yes there are shaded areas?

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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If Hack had ligature support, I'd switch. But it doesn't, so I'm keeping Fira Code

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:49 PM

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they have less uncertainty

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they have a lot more data because their leadership isn't so horrifically incompetent

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:50 PM

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@peak dirge I don't like the ligatures anyways

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all they do is make it harder to read

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

I like the ligatures myself, to the point where it is almost no-go if there are no ligatures.

onyx steeple Apr 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

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@still smelt check per-region

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

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fair.

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

Try Cascadia Code. :>

onyx steeple Apr 10, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

What country?

#

MineCountry?

#

Which Region?

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

Hmmm...

📎 unknown.png

onyx steeple Apr 10, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

😄

#

Mexico isn't on there

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

Cascadia Code looks too bold for me

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:56 PM

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if (a != a) { return a; } pepega

#

Is there something I'm missing?

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

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NaN != itself

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

Oh.

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That makes sense.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

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per IEEE-754 floating point number standard

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 7:57 PM

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cool now I've killed two laptop batteries

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

Generics, boiii.```Java
public interface Manager<R, C> {
void add(R r, C c);

void remove(R r, C c);

}```

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 8:00 PM

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only if they are keys and values

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which, doesn't really look cuz why would you need the value to remove

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I wrote that like two years ago. :P

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And this is some retard thing I made too. :P ```Java
public class MultiInstanceManager<R, C> implements Manager<R, C> {
@Getter
protected final Multimap<R, C> data = Multimaps.newMultimap(new ConcurrentHashMap<>(),
() -> Collections.synchronizedList(new ArrayList<>()));

public void add(R r, C c) {
    data.put(r, c);
}

public void remove(R r, C c) {
    if (data.get(r).equals(c)) remove(r);
}

public void remove(R r) {
    data.keys().remove(r);
}

public Collection<C> get(R r) {
    return data.get(r);
}

}```

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:03 PM

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It's weird. I don't like it.

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I don't like it a lot either.

#

That's for sure.

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 8:04 PM

#

My sister works at a nursery home and one of the nurses + one of the elders have confirmed covid-19 :\

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Tbf half of Swedish nursery homes have confirmed cases by now buuuuut

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

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The only solution is to burn the nursery home.

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

There's something even weirder.

#

Gimme a sec.

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

Especially the elders!

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

we should burn all those zarbage people!

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

ez, just purge sweden

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

and that.

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:06 PM

#

There you go: ```Java
public class SingleInstanceManager<R, C> implements Manager<R, C> {
@Getter
protected final Table<R, Class<?>, C> data = HashBasedTable.create();

@Override
public void add(R r, C c) {
    data.put(r, c.getClass(), c);
}

@Override
public void remove(R r, @NotNull C c) {
    data.remove(r, c.getClass());
}

public void remove(C c) {
    data.values().remove(c);
}

public C get(R r, @NotNull C c) {
    return data.get(r, c.getClass());
}

}```

#

Yeah, I use Lombok. pepega

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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and let's burn landis next

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

Man you really just wanted to use generics and lombok everywhere

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

.lombok

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Well, that made some things easier...

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Wtf

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

Like this: ```Java
public class CooldownManager extends SingleInstanceManager<UUID, Cooldown> {
public boolean isCooldownOver(UUID uuid, Cooldown cooldown) {
return !data.values().contains(cooldown) || get(uuid, cooldown).getDuration() < System.nanoTime();
}

public double getRemainingTime(UUID uuid, Cooldown cooldown) {
    double seconds = TimeUnit.NANOSECONDS.toSeconds(get(uuid, cooldown).getDuration() - System.nanoTime());
    return Math.max(seconds, 0D);
}

}```

#

Hmmm...

#

Just realized something.

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

you can always add more generics

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

^

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

Just ask kash for inspiration

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

It doesn't look like the generics and inheritance are doing much good here :P

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

#

data.get(uuid, cooldown.getClass()) != null

#

That's better.

#

Line 3.

golden gust Apr 10, 2020, 8:09 PM

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who said it needs to look good?

#

Just gotta lotsa generics

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:10 PM

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XD

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Viper one does not simply access non-static fields in static context.

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

#

For cycle vs forEach method. :>

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Yeah that's weird.

#

Did you just call a for loop a "for cycle"?

pearl ibex Apr 10, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I kinda said "tHE oVErHeADzzZzz".

#

Sorry, just messed up with languages.

#

XD

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I'm gonna call them cycles now

#

Or "agains". A for again.

#

You mean in other programming languages?

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:15 PM

#

while agains

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:16 PM

#

indexed agains

green turret Apr 10, 2020, 8:19 PM

#

I don't know about keywords, but I like calling Exceptions "up" in Java.

#

Instead of "e".

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I prefer to name them ignored

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

#

yeah I too just wrap all my methods in try catches with ignored exceptions

#

and my plugins have been error free ever since!

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 8:20 PM

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try { ... } catch (Throwable ignored) {}

#

imagine only catching exceptions

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

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catches wiz

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

#memes

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

the worst part of that is that its a photo

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

Oh man, gotta love macros

#

I wish it would be accepted to use a preprocessor for java

#

Would do so much fun shit

peak dirge Apr 10, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Oh, good, then we can just do #define barf(msg) throw new RuntimeException(msg) in our codebase

#

At Mineteria we practice barf-driven development

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

is PlayerConnection.lastKeepAlive the player's ping

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

that's their... last keepalive

#

(a timestamp)

#

get disconnected

latent valve Apr 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

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nah u die u not alive = ded

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

so how would I find their ping

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

Player.Spigot#getPing

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

o

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

for some ungodly reason it's only exposed with paper

#

and for another ungodly reason it's in the spigot class

#

yes

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

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but where is it located

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

or depend on nms

#

EntityPlayer

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:29 PM

#

oh lol

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:30 PM

#

cet

#

nice

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:32 PM

#

how hard would it be to change the keep alive ID

#

mmmm nvm

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

oO

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

shhh

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

easy

#

but more importantly 2. W a i

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

#

how easy are we talking

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:34 PM

#

calling a setter

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

Can someone explain why I cant find my pc in port forwarding for verizon router?

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

no because we cannot see your network

worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

vroom vroom

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

owo

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

you'll have to be more detailed

#

you can't find your PC how? on the web UI to configure a port forward?

worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

get a portscanner to check if its open

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I'm good.

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

wat

worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

you dont "find it"

#

you use the pc's adres

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

#

on some you can select from a list of devices on the network @worn ember

#

the formula for the chunk thing isn't very specific

worn ember Apr 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

#

wtf imagine not runing hardware from 1990

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@worn ember Ik I'm somewhat dumb. for not using my ipv4 ip

#

sorry m8

burnt sandal Apr 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

#

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

#

wait like the area of chunks loaded?

near slate Apr 10, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

apparently on the vanilla server (no se sobre paper) server operators will not be kicked if their client fails to send a keep alive

void void Apr 10, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

wut

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

@still smelt isn't that just (2*view-distance + 1)^2 more or less or do I understand wrong

#

a ver

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:42 PM

#

alright so i'm done port forwarding. Would I use my computer's ipv4 address or my public ip?

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

@proven stag you can join using your computer's IPv4 address only on your local netework. On any other network, use your public IP

#

also if you are playing on the same machine as the server you can use 127.0.0.1

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

or localhost correct?

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

Anyone using 2020 IntelliJ, does your font look weird?

#

And on Mac.

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

Or localhost

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

Will I have to set this to my public IP? server-ip=

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

No

#

@austere ivy there was a discussion earlier abt this, it's a new font IIRC

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:45 PM

#

okay.

frail prawn Apr 10, 2020, 8:45 PM

#

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 8:45 PM

#

How do I make it go back

#

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-04-10_at_4.46.10_PM.png

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:46 PM

#

Will I have to do anything like Static NAT?

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 8:46 PM

#

This is unacceptable, the parantheses are weighted or something

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:47 PM

#

The server-ip settings is primarily intended for deployng multiple minecraft servers on a single computer through dedicated interfaces.

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:47 PM

#

ah okay.

burnt sandal Apr 10, 2020, 8:48 PM

#

ah yes

#

im back boys

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:48 PM

#

ah

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:50 PM

#

max player count isn't 420, missed potential.

burnt sandal Apr 10, 2020, 8:50 PM

#

missed potential is TPS not shitting the bed

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:51 PM

#

If I was to use 2 routers to get to my pc

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 8:51 PM

#

aren't you still on 1.12? pfff

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:51 PM

#

would I have to turn on bridge mode?

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:52 PM

#

no

#

wait wdym use two routers

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 8:53 PM

#

achoo

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:53 PM

#

uh

#

uh

#

big house you know

#

yeah

#

Would I have to do anything in Port Forwarding Rules making 25565 a protocols?

#

bruh

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 8:57 PM

#

but how are your routers set up?

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 8:59 PM

#

DHCP

#

mostly

#

I'm connect via Cable. Through the last router.

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:02 PM

#

not a network guy but a wild guess I'm probably wrong - on the first router forward the port and on the second router also forward the port, or just have the first router in DMZ

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:03 PM

#

that sounds right ^

#

not a network guy either tbf

#

i'd just put the server on the outermost router ¯_(ツ)_/¯

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

I was once behind 2 routers and I think that's all I had to do

#

but it was a few years ago

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

Sorry DMZ?

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

DMZ opens all the ports

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

I don't know much

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

alright

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

it basically turns the router firewall off

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:04 PM

#

(for devices in the DMZ only)

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

DMZ is named after the irl term

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

What do you guys use for your IntelliJ font? On my tiny screen JetBrains Mono doesn't look very good. What should I be using instead?

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

yeah you have to specify which device is DMZ'd

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

Would I be able to do that for only one pc?

#

uhhh

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

yes

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:05 PM

#

if you need multiple pcs just use port forwarding

proven stag Apr 10, 2020, 9:06 PM

#

this is confusing peepoJuice

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:06 PM

#

i'll dm you

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:06 PM

#

DMZ is the lazy way to go if you're the only one on the network and you are confident leaving all your ports open is a good idea, but behind 2 routers it would just eliminate the first firewall for you as the second router would still be port forwarding

#

router 1 has firewall, router 2 has firewall, port forwarding pokes holes in the firewall but router 2 needs the same hole open in router 1 to work, dmz on router 1 to open all the ports for router 2 on the first routers network and then you only have to deal with port forwarding on router 2

#

this is how I think it would be tbh haven't done 2 routers in a while and I'm a network novice

#

the proper way to go is to setup port forwarding on router 1 and match that on router 2

#

iirc

#

router 2 is basically sublicensing its internet to you and it needs permission from router 1 to do anything

#

you could also just use a switch instead of router 1 and have router 2 be the only router, depends why you need router 1 in the first place

#

once again, network noob, take everything I say with a grain of salt 🏃‍♂️

#

if you are heavily taxing the network or have a lot of people eating internet make sure router 1 isn't a 15 year old POS

rain sun Apr 10, 2020, 9:14 PM

#

Guys, tell me please, decided to make a classic server on 1.8, which core is better to choose? paper?

granite salmon Apr 10, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

Begone

#

Back into the abyss

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

what does core refer to thonking

granite salmon Apr 10, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

Paper Cores

#

Very powerful

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 9:16 PM

#

I use some apple cores to power my minecaft

lime eagle Apr 10, 2020, 9:20 PM

#

keen delta Apr 10, 2020, 9:22 PM

#

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:22 PM

#

Still interested about MC performance on a IBM main frame...

austere ivy Apr 10, 2020, 9:23 PM

#

outdated1 outdated2 outdated3

#

oh wow that's cool.

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:24 PM

#

omfg nload is literally garbage >.>
ESXI showing different usages than nload, so i don't know what to believe

velvet garden Apr 10, 2020, 9:25 PM

#

Hm. Is it too risky to run Paper on a 1TB NVMe disk without RAID and rsync all changes every 15 mins to a RAID1 8TB HDD pack?

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:25 PM

#

depends on how you quantify risk

velvet garden Apr 10, 2020, 9:26 PM

#

Well, we have a small production server with 20-40 players online on average

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:26 PM

#

Use iftop instead of nload.

velvet garden Apr 10, 2020, 9:27 PM

#

if I purchased another drive and RAID1'd them, downtime would be minimal since I could just use the other drive

jagged egret Apr 10, 2020, 9:27 PM

#

true

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

@velvet garden data redundancy if you are doing any kind of business is always a must

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

Use iftop instead of nload.
do i need to sudo it?

📎 unknown.png

velvet garden Apr 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

Mmh, I know. I'm just trying to decide between going over budget and more redundancy

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

You do.

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

what is upload and download here? xd

#

📎 unknown.png

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

TX RX.

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 9:30 PM

#

jenkins is so bad compared to teamcity ugh

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 PM

#

so TX is upload?

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 PM

#

teamcity is so powerful it's so simple to do basically anything

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 PM

#

and RX is download?

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:31 PM

#

TX is Transmit.

#

At least Jenkins allows for normal wget.

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:32 PM

#

and cum being total since i went into iftop?

limber knotBOT Apr 10, 2020, 9:32 PM

#

just tried to test ping related code.. on localhost with a ping of 0 pepega

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:32 PM

#

That's one good name.

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:33 PM

#

i still don't under stand it xd

#

like what is what

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:33 PM

#

cum/m > cumulative bandwidth usage

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:33 PM

#

but where do i see current upload and download?

#

these?

#

📎 unknown.png

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:34 PM

#

Yes.

#

https://posili.me/i/2020-04-10_23-34-13.png

gleaming rivet Apr 10, 2020, 9:34 PM

#

thank you ❤️

#

this is much better than nload holy shit 😄

verbal portal Apr 10, 2020, 9:39 PM

#

wary vortex Apr 10, 2020, 9:45 PM

#

tepid grotto Apr 10, 2020, 9:48 PM

#

ashen cliff Apr 10, 2020, 9:51 PM

#

That would be something like tcpdump.

#

Look at all the shitty armorstand names in real time.

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

#

the spigot discord has already gotten worse than the forums smh 😦

#

it had potential

pulsar wigeon Apr 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

#

already

#

as of day 1

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:01 PM

#

can you please send some highlights?

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

They made a discord? pepeLaugh

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

yeah, on April First or something like that

#

and then they kept it by mistake

left swift Apr 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

#

ohno

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:15 PM

#

I am still unable to comprehend why Maven doesn't ship itself with a wrapper like Gradle does

#

having to install it locally is eh

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:17 PM

#

Maven is a lot more stable, things rarely break because it doesn’t ever Chang

#

no need to ship a wrapper

#

Gradle is the odd build system for shipping a wrapper, most of them don’t

#

Gradle also moves a lot faster and breaks things sometimes

#

Makes sense they do

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

Gradle is stable, whether you choose to update to unstable releases is your choice

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:18 PM

#

No it isn’t

#

It moves quickly, updating versions regularly breaks things

#

That’s the context of stable in build systems

#

That’s fine, it’s not a problem

#

And using a wrapper is one of the reasons it’s fine

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:19 PM

#

I am more about the comfort of the end-user

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:19 PM

#

None of my end users ever build my software

#

Most don’t

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:20 PM

#

You could argue that everyone should have Maven installed, but should they really?

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:20 PM

#

Which is why build tools don’t traditionally include wrappers

#

You could easily do with maven what gradle does if you’re concerned about that

#

The wrapper is literally a script and a jar

#

It’s just not a concern for most

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

#

@heady spear tbh spigot discord seems to mirror the forums to me

#

spigot forums are a cringe fest

twin lagoon Apr 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

#

kinda to be expected tbh

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:22 PM

#

The Spigot forums used to be really nice

#

before all the bukkit kiddos moved over there

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:22 PM

#

I know I could, it's just something that is nice to have by default

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

#

Actually the annoying part is that the wrapper isn’t required in gradle

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

#

I didn't know Spigot existed until December 2018

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

#

So every now and again I come across a project without one, and I go install a gradle copy locally, but their build file is out of date so my (usually newer) local copy bitches

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

what does the wrapper do

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

also the maven wrapper project is quite good 😄

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

I see that being an issue, yeah

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

Lets the project specify which version they use so it can be downloaded and used automatically

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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https://github.com/takari/maven-wrapper but it's going to be a part of maven itself

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

Had it happen once to a friend of mine

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

#

Which is good because gradle moves quicker than tradition build tools

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

#

that seems pretty useful, what causes a wrapper to be missing?

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

#

And that results in breakage if you can’t “bind” to your specific version

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It’s optional

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Well also, it's useful for people that don't have gradle installed at all. Not just for version parity and whatnot

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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If the project doesn’t include it, it’s not there

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Most do

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But not all :^)

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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The ones that don't are probably users that don't really know how Gradle works though

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Not that I can blame them on it

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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You’d think, sadly doesn’t seem to always be the case

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Definitely part of it though

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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but yeee maven wrapper is a part of 3.7 now you can live out all your maven dreams :]]

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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That's nice

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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One I remember was an android lib whose maintainers were strictly against binaries in the repo

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So lolno wrapper for me

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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If they were to remove the binary

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Then at least leave the wrapper config

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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no wrapper no need for the config

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:^)

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it was fun figuring out which version of gradle they used

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because it was like a year behind >.>

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Yeah but if you don't think about contributions at all it's just straight out stupid lol

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At least point it out somewhere

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:28 PM

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tbh I think it was a mostly internal lib

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but the gradle version wasnt doc'd anywhere

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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so can we see mvnw bundled with paper soon? lol

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I don't know how gradle works it scares me and yells at me and stares menacingly at me in kotlin

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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uh

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not unless the other core devs really want it

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I have no interest

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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that's groovy, not kotlin

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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you can use kotlin in gradle

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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nvm then

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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honestly adding it won't hurt, because then one dependency less for end users to set up; but then again paper has CI

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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if maven moved fast enough it was an issue I might be interested

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but atm its just being added because "muh gradle"

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maven is in all the usual repositories already

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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how many PRs need to be accepted before one can earn the contributor role

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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ur mod already

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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yeah but he's down a channel

void venture Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Just move to gradle then and problem solved think_smart

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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i c

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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we were going to actually

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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yeah right, forgot about that

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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See this is what I mean, @olive garden.

📎 Screenshot_from_2020-04-11_00-31-10.png

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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it was part of a larger restructuring

stiff yarrow Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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mcMMO 2.2 is gradle and it scares me

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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it got put on hold because that larger restructuring got put on hold

olive garden Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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lmao

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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no real reason to move to gradle just to move to gradle

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if the restructure thing goes back on, that'll be when

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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gradle would make build time a lot faster tbh /shrug

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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not inherently

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that was part of the restructuring

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a lot of how things are done in paper dont run through maven at all, they're just shell scripts

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simply moving to gradle without updating that would be very minor gains

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so thats part of it

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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you're not wrong, but you also have to realise we'd have to spend lots of time converting everything to gradle, and then keeping it up to date with upstream

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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yell at demonwav if you want it to move faster

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:^)

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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bribe him with taylor swift concert tickets

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he'll have it ready in 1 minute

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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then I'd have to buy taylor swift concert tickets

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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honestly you can minimize the "keeping up to date with upstream" task by parsing maven pom

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that's how i did it with my waterfall fork

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it works quite well

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if i can assume that by "keeping up to date" you mean tracking deps etc

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 10:34 PM

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and maven plugins, configuration, etc

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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what maven plugins does paper use... git describe thingy & log4j plugins thingy? iirc

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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relocate and a few others

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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I'm talking about ones that upstream does as well

heady spear Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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or just never update

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then it won't be a problem

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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it can be done, its just a lot more work than "just switch"

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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what

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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some of it already done, some of it not

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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ah wait upstream has some remapping bs as well

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right?

cosmic raft Apr 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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yes

void void Apr 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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_INVALID_something -> something

upper flicker Apr 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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they asked about gradle, I told them its all your fault and they should yell at you @ancient bolt

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because thats what we do here

ancient bolt Apr 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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that's fair

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it should have been done in 2018