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ancient bolt
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and here we are

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I should get back to work on that again

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I promise I will

cosmic raft
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Z's going to bribe you with taylor swift concert tickets

ancient bolt
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๐Ÿคž

upper flicker
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wat

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kash is going to bribe you with tswift concert tix

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anyway, we really do have bigger fish to fry than gradle atm

ancient bolt
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I'm pretty sure the concerts are a no go because covid ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

upper flicker
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its done when its done

stiff yarrow
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I'd pay someone write a fabric remapper for paper that can also convert it back to bukkit BS, or maybe just an intelliJ plugin where I can highlight obfuscated bullshit and it shows the unobfuscated name

cosmic raft
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fabric mappings are a mess.

ancient bolt
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ur a mess

upper flicker
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mcp mappings have a garbage license

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that apparently isnt enforced anymore or something so long as you dont publish the whole of MC to GH

ancient bolt
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that we'll likely...uh...ignore

upper flicker
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if what I saw was correct

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mcp also being purely forge's baby means long term maintenance looks a little weird imo

stiff yarrow
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I probably meant to say yarn

upper flicker
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they could just forgegradle 4 us

pulsar wigeon
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FG is a mess

ancient bolt
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lex told me to tell him what it was the FG didn't do for us, since it should be flexible enough for us

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he was like, what doesn't it do, pr what you need

pulsar wigeon
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the only reason it tenuously works on Gradle 5 is a massive bytecode rewriting hack

ancient bolt
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pretty funny tbh

stiff yarrow
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pr what you need

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that's my new line

ancient bolt
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like it would require basically a total rewrite of FG for what we need lol

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and yeah FG is an awful mess of code

stiff yarrow
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just PR it bro

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what's the hold up

wide chasm
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inb4 100k additions, 100k removals in a single PR

ancient bolt
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if we used fabric mappings the license and impl and maintenance would be easier, the mappings would be worse

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reverse for mcp

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so meh

cosmic raft
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fabric mappings used to be good, but now people are spending weeks on debating a single name, going from good names to bad names basically

ancient bolt
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names by committee

stiff yarrow
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what about the unobfuscated names thonk

upper flicker
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paperfabric when

ancient bolt
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how the fuck can I get the name of the god damned fucking branch that's being built in jenkins

upper flicker
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can we finally have blockentity demon?

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CAN WE?

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we add a fucking patch system for renaming fields

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oh itll be great

ancient bolt
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apparently they only give you the branch name if it's a """multibranch""" build whatever the fuck that means

upper flicker
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meme'd up

cosmic raft
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@ancient bolt GIT_BRANCH env variable?

ancient bolt
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I hope it's that easy

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I'll tryt it

cosmic raft
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or GIT_LOCAL_BRANCH if you don't want origin/ prefix

ancient bolt
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my paperweight stuff does have member renaming

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so yeah meme it up

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if I ever release it

upper flicker
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yeah I remember renaming stuff back during the original MCP patch transitions because random shit conflicted

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having actual sane access transformers was pretty nice though

cosmic raft
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oh haaaah

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here's fabric's access transformer format

ancient bolt
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was it necessary to write a new format lol

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using a new format just means they can't use existing tooling

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ATs are simple enough why change it

cosmic raft
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yup, because they refuse to use existing formats

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especially ones forge/mcp may use

ancient bolt
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accesstransformers has an open license lol

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they could literally just use it

cosmic raft
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like

upper flicker
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ugh

cosmic raft
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just look at the issue

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how long it was discussed for

ancient bolt
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access transformers is built off of my definition for the AT language in mcdev

cosmic raft
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yup

ancient bolt
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which means it's under the MIT license

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

cosmic raft
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but mcp/forge uses it.

ancient bolt
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lol rip

cosmic raft
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yup

upper flicker
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I donโ€™t understand that at all

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I get maybe not liking forge and the way they do stuff

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But just because forge does something doesnโ€™t mean you need to explicitly avoid it simply out of spite

limber knotBOT
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I mean, the argument is probably that using the same tools/libraries as them will profit them in the long run as you will find bugs and needs for improvements that would've otherwise have taken longer to find

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which is an insanely stupid argument imo but ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

ancient bolt
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@cosmic raft when I did that it just print out -DBRANCH=${GIT_LOCAL_BRANCH}

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it didn't actually fill in the value

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

cosmic raft
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o.O

ancient bolt
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the docs for both say "if applicable"

heady spear
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so you haven't missed out on anything

stiff yarrow
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being a 10 year old on the internet in 2020 is hard stuff

earnest axle
void void
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jesus christ that spigot discord

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i wish it stayed as an april joke

limber knotBOT
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the joke was that people thought it was a joke thinksmart

woven otter
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yes a joke

heady spear
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I still think it's a joke

void void
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yeah spigot server is a yikes

pearl ibex
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Spigot itself is a joke. :>

spring mountain
void void
steel shard
gusty latch
tropic flame
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Honestly I don't think it's a bad idea

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I mean personally my discord client stays open all the time as long as my computer is on

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As opposed to the IRC client which I use when discord goes rip ๐Ÿ˜›

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I suppose it's like that for most server owners too

void void
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problem is that spigot put this off for so long, so all of the good and experienced community was already on their forums and IRC. so the discord would only attract newbies and toxic people

slim nymph
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that sounds like forums too

void void
slim nymph
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irc only cuts lot of crap cause people cant figure out irc or dont wanna leave browser open

void void
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aikar

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Can u help me please

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drowning?

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or burning?

tropic flame
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Lmao what happened to spigot's TS?

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I mean they had a TS right

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Did md get tired of paying the server bill? ๐Ÿ˜‚

slim nymph
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no point inhaving a TS now if noones gonna use it

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and why would anyone use it

ancient bolt
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sponge has a ts

tired ember
void void
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I think spigot's ts is still a thing

verbal compass
ancient bolt
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lol working in teamcity again after spending much of my day in jenkins is so refreshing

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shit actually makes sense and is easy again

spark pebble
latent coral
devout fog
ornate terrace
golden gust
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Nobody really used the ts, many times somebody wanted to use it it had crashed a fair while ago

ancient bolt
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Sick

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all based on a single template build so I can add new builds when the new EAP releases etc

hazy kestrel
knotty nymph
ancient bolt
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ugh I have too many build statuses

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idk now to format it in the readme

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which is better

stiff yarrow
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does anyone look at a readme to check build status

ancient bolt
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no

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it's for my own happiness

void venture
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I do actually

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Anyways, the second one

twilit grove
pulsar wigeon
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you need a
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here

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lemme show you how to do it

pulsar wigeon
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no

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oh yes

ancient bolt
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what about

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I think I like that better

void venture
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I liked the other one

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but whatever rocks your socks

ancient bolt
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why do you prefer the other one

static badge
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b u i l d m a t r i x
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x i r t a m d l i u b

pulsar wigeon
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here you go

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clearly best UI

ancient bolt
void venture
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I always prefer it to be long rather than wide

ancient bolt
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oh I'm not that worried about that, just worried about presentation I guess

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let me keep the nightly build part but flatten the OS part, see what that looks like

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github rate limitted me those bastards

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I don't like this because the width of the nightly build label is stretched when I do that

upper flicker
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what is 'main build' that its not os specific?

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is that a shared common module or something?

ancient bolt
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it's my teamcity build

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separate from the github actions

upper flicker
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so GH actions have OS specific builds

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and teamcity does... ? what exactly?

ancient bolt
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teamcity is my hosted server

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it's my server

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gh actions is just verifying the builds work on each os

upper flicker
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yes but how do you have os specific builds and then a general 'main build'

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it seems like the table is correlating two separate things

ancient bolt
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it's by far the fastest and self hosted

upper flicker
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so 'OS specific build' isnt so much a specific build for a platform as much as like a passing test suite or something?

ancient bolt
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er right. they don't produce artifacts

upper flicker
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tbh I'd just change that descriptor to something else 'OS Tests' or some other better word

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and then just leave the ugly table

ancient bolt
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I think I like

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in that case

upper flicker
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Yeah that seems rational to me

ancient bolt
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in the future I'll have up to 4 nightly builds

upper flicker
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and thats all I do is rational

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if you want it to be sexy youll have to find someone else :p

ancient bolt
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2019.3, 2020.1, 2020.2, 2020.3 EAP once that happens

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after that point when 2020.3 is released I'll drop support for 2019.3

upper flicker
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seems like youll be constantly updating your readme

ancient bolt
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3 times a year lol

upper flicker
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yeah I suppose thats not bad actually

cosmic raft
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hides at the mention of READMEs

ancient bolt
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I already update the readme every update for the version number anyways

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yay I re-ran my build 2 times and it finally passed

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github actions cache task seems to fail a lot

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need to figure out wtf is going on there

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gradle caches are just too mighty for it maybe

slim nymph
upper flicker
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thats too many copies

slim nymph
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11pm on friday night is best time to melt a lower environment with load right?

upper flicker
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Do you have a preference on the Bukkit/Server#isRunning vs Bukkit/Server#isServerRunning thing @slim nymph ?

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isServerRunning almost sounds redundant the more I hear it in my head

slim nymph
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i think isRunning is fine, wtf else would it mean

jagged egret
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isRunning seems much less verbose too

upper flicker
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leave a comment on that ticket peoples

slim nymph
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or just force merge!

upper flicker
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force merge bad eyykar

slim nymph
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sonds like opinion sways to isRunning so far ๐Ÿ˜›

upper flicker
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at least wait until I go to bed

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Well, I get the rationale

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but on Bukkit/Server

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isRunning implies isServerRunning

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imo

slim nymph
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Bukkit.isRunning() seems pretty clear it references the server, would only argue for other if there was multiple things that could be running

static badge
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isRunning could mean that the server process is still alive

slim nymph
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or could invert Bukkit.isShuttingDown()

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or isStopping()

upper flicker
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โ“‰โ’พโ’ธโ“€โ’บโ“‰

slim nymph
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i WANT A CONVERSATION

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wututhink

upper flicker
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THE CONVERSATION GOES ON THE TICKET

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I agree though the more I think about it

slim nymph
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am melting environment

void venture
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Does someone knows in which place does the player handle this feature

upper flicker
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player handle this feature

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packets? client side changes? what are you looking for?

void venture
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packets

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I wanna know how to get the player in that state without having to met the conditions for it

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it's kind of the same as the swimming animation

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it has to tell the server somewhere that it is going to crawl so

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I know I may not be making the most sense but I am unsure where to look honestly lol

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EntityHuman, EnttiyPlayer, PlayerConnection?

upper flicker
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so you want to make the client switch into glide/crawl mode?

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or you want the server to force them into that mode?

void venture
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I want the server to force it

upper flicker
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definitely NMS for that

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let's see if I can find it pepega

void venture
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And it seems to be a different state than gliding

static badge
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yes it is a different state

unreal quarry
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I don't think you can force that (it's client controlled)

merry talon
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my password manager is down for scheduled maintenance? excuse me?

unreal quarry
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They're backing up your passwords :p

jagged egret
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I believe you can force the client to crawl with an entity metadata packet setting 0x10 to present in the bitmask in the field 0

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I dunno about server-side, though. That might cause issues

onyx steeple
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Ok so

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I haven't played minecraft in a very long time

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have they finally added TACOS?

jagged egret
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Sadly no

onyx steeple
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What is wrong with Mojang?. #disappointed

buoyant kiln
hybrid nymph
void void
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hey guys i have a question

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how do i stop being such a FUCKING putz

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thanks

limber knotBOT
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by ceasing use of dumcord

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it's really that simple

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hur hur

tame pendant
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But then he wouldn't be able to see the reactions I add to your messages

limber knotBOT
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reactions r dum

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spotted will show you quickly

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who's named whatever he is

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steamfrost or something stoopid

void void
left swift
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Reactions are fun

void void
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Hello what add

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<dependencies>

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?

limber knotBOT
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lol

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1.8.8

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?maven

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.maven

slim nymph
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seriously why is it not possible to make an app immune to swap:

mc viewswap dev
process | pid | swap
cinnamon 4614 5893868 kB
java 28488 1391448 kB
java 15228 1124140 kB
chrome 24546 1006664 kB

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6gb of cinnamon memory is now in swap, desktop sluggish as shit

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and im not even out of memory

cosmic raft
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well

slim nymph
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my swappiness is like 1

ancient bolt
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set your swapiness to 1?

cosmic raft
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that's why i have no swap

slim nymph
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it is 1 lol

ancient bolt
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buy more ram? ๐Ÿ˜„

slim nymph
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24 GB ._.

ancient bolt
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it's 2020 mate

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gotta do better than that

static badge
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at least your not on windows

slim nymph
cosmic raft
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I've filled up my 32GB many times aikar

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24GB is not nearly enough

slim nymph
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im still on an i9 cpu

static badge
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requires pagefile to even allocate half of the system ram

cosmic raft
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I'm on an i7-6700K :P

ancient bolt
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I have 32 GB of memory and 32 GB of swap but I never ever hit swap basically

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I'm planning on doing 128GB of memory for my next build because overkill

slim nymph
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i can restart cinnamon but ive had bad luck that sometimes it just fucks multimonitor into a single window

ancient bolt
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just swapoff

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then swapon

slim nymph
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takes FOREVER

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faster to restart apps

ancient bolt
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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is your cinnamon busted?

slim nymph
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swapoff 15G would take hours

ancient bolt
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it should only take a few seconds

slim nymph
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doesnt sadly

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tried many times lol

ancient bolt
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wtf are you doing to use so much memory lol

slim nymph
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well mc now uses +4GB over xmx

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i had 2 mc's open, 2 IDEA's, 2 servers (emc/paper), waterfall, chrome, firefox (mid transition off chrome), slack, discord

cosmic raft
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get off chrome already :p

ancient bolt
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you need to just buy more memory lol

slim nymph
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I just said I am ๐Ÿ˜›

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this damn new rendering engine has a huge overhead

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how does mojang make everything that seems nice/good turn bad

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are you surprised kappa

blazing mulch
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I'm not

slim nymph
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well here goes nohup cinnamon --replace &

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k success

blazing mulch
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lol

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noice

slim nymph
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โค๏ธ linux, can reload an entire desktop w/o restarting apps ๐Ÿ˜„

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wonder how many people found that command but didn't know to nohup/bg it then closed terminal lol

unreal quarry
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used to be a hotkey shortcut for that (ctrl+alt+backspace), but its been gone for years

slim nymph
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you can restore that, but that restarts entire session

ancient bolt
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why are jetbrains annotations available in the bukkit API but not in the paper server

blazing mulch
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I Love Linux Honestly

slim nymph
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md5

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he only cared to do it for api

ancient bolt
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we could change that though

blazing mulch
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zAikar what distro you using just wondering?

ancient bolt
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if it's in the API it literally must be on the server

slim nymph
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mint/cinnamon

blazing mulch
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noice

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I'm using mint/mate

slim nymph
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im pretty behind on updates, gonna wait for 20.x build of mint

ancient bolt
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arch/cinnamon here

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btw I run arch

blazing mulch
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jesus lol

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arch is cool

slim nymph
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still on 18.3 ._.

blazing mulch
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gets complicated though from building from scratch though

vestal jasper
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Meanwhile windows requires a restart because you installed a game

blazing mulch
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im on 19.3

slim nymph
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i use 19 on work system

blazing mulch
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they changed a few designs

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ah i see

slim nymph
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just home is at 18

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i dont run windows anywhere

blazing mulch
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Me neither

slim nymph
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pushed to get entire dev team off windows at work too

blazing mulch
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Lol

slim nymph
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now every devs on mint

cosmic raft
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arch + i3 here

blazing mulch
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do they like it or no?

slim nymph
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ops is on ubuntu/mint maybe mixed

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yeah, some were .net devs orig and had to RDP into windows machines to touch that stack

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but that stack is 100% gone now, so no more need

blazing mulch
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oof

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yee

ancient bolt
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so intellij 2020.1 has a new inspection that places a warning on anything it thinks is a busy wait

blazing mulch
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How many Devs?

ancient bolt
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very odd

slim nymph
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8

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err 6 sorry lost 2 lol

blazing mulch
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What happened?

slim nymph
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well one is super smart with money

blazing mulch
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Fired or Medical things

slim nymph
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and retired at ~50

blazing mulch
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ah nice

vestal jasper
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Same Kash. arch btw

slim nymph
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other just went on to another company with better healthcare cause while our team rocks, corporate hr sucks

blazing mulch
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Ooof

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are you in charge im guessing lol

slim nymph
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hell no lol

blazing mulch
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LMAO

slim nymph
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well, im 1 of 2 seniors, so i have 'say'

blazing mulch
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not bad how long have you been working there though

slim nymph
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9.4 years

blazing mulch
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jesus

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Question

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do you do the same thing everyday?

slim nymph
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no lol

blazing mulch
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Thank god

slim nymph
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well, do i do stuff oriented to code? yes

blazing mulch
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well obviously lol

slim nymph
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but I'm the primary architect for stuff. i build a lot of our stack

ancient bolt
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mfw the last 2 companies I've worked at I worked for 1y4m each

blazing mulch
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I'm 18 soo haven't had job was gonna get one but then corona oof

ancient bolt
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and by doing that my pay has increased significantly so I guess I'm doing it right?

slim nymph
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ive got a badass nodejs framework ive built im trying to get open sourced soon as legal OK's it

blazing mulch
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Yeah Open Source

slim nymph
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been advancing the hell out of it past 3 months

blazing mulch
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What are you using it for

slim nymph
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distributed event processing

blazing mulch
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interesting

slim nymph
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well and + everything else a production quality app needs

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but foundation is events, pubsub, designed in a horizontally scalable manner. you listen to events, publish events, what machine the event is processed on is transparent to you.

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automatic load distribution

blazing mulch
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how long have you been working on this

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jezz

slim nymph
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the idea? oh only 10 years

blazing mulch
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WTF

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lol

slim nymph
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I knew what I wanted 10 years ago, wanted it for my own open source projects. never had time to build it

blazing mulch
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Ah i see

slim nymph
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then few years ago opportunity presented itself to be built for work

blazing mulch
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How much time do you get off of work then?

slim nymph
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the principles are based on Erlang OTP, does similar design

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execute code, but where it executes is transparent to you

blazing mulch
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cause i'm guessing you don't do this durning work hours

void void
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aikar, can i have some advice plz

am studying comp sci in community college atm, heading for an associate degree for transfer. I mean, I see myself in the future as kind of a well rounded technology professional, but I know CS is more research oriented. You've said before an SE degree is more "real world experience".

however, not about to uproot myself and switch majors. but would be curious to know your thoughts...

in a nutshell, dont really see myself being only a dev...but dev might be a significant portion of my work.

slim nymph
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what "else" would you wanna do simple?

blazing mulch
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In all honesty companies are looking for Problem Solving skills

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everyone can learn code in a matter of time but the way you solve them is what is the best skill to have

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never got employed so don't take my word

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lmao

void void
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Well, I guess that's where I'm stuck. I don't know what jobs CS would offer as opposed to an SE degree.

ancient bolt
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in many schools CS == SE

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I have a "Masters Degree in Computer Science, Software Engineering Emphasis"

slim nymph
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oh that would be good then

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hadnt heard that

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id hate for someone to get a BS in CS w/o any SE experience...

blazing mulch
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hm

ancient bolt
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It's a new enough field that it's not uniform across all school,s you gotta see what program your school has, what classes are offered, etc

slim nymph
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering

Software engineering

Software engineering is the systematic application of engineering approaches to the development of software. Software engineering is a direct sub-field of engineering and has an overlap with computer science and management science. It is also considered a part of overall syste...

ancient bolt
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MIT makes the distinction afaik

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a lot of smaller schools probably don't

slim nymph
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CS teaches great concepts, but concepts that are really out of scope for someone being hired as a junior develeoper lol.

ancient bolt
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yeah CS degrees aren't that useful for junior devs imo

slim nymph
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as a junior you are not (and if you are assigned to, be very afraid) working with data structures or designing custom data structures

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lot of CS concepts are senior level areas

void void
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I enjoy the idea of having the backing knowledge to perform research in the field, while also being able to get a job as a dev (but maintain the ability to have upwards mobility, as in move out of dev job and say even into managerial roles that sort of decide the direction you're going but not necessarily implementing it if that makes sense?)

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but that may just be project manageent

ancient bolt
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if your school has a CS program with some SE classes, do that

slim nymph
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but SE degree? yeah youll be saving that employer A LOT of training

void void
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im a very confused bean

ancient bolt
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make sure to take them if they are optional

slim nymph
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cause I sure as hell went into professional employment knowing none of the SE shit, yet of course knew a lot about development

ancient bolt
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if it has a SE program itself, obviously do that instead

slim nymph
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so i had to learn it all on the job

ancient bolt
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I've worked with a lot of just-out-of-school folks and it feels like they don't know anything

void void
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I mean I know quite a lot about development, but I've still got a lot to learn

ancient bolt
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because 90% of the day-to-day job is SE stuff

slim nymph
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yeah we have a lot of juniors, its common

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and thats why i suggest SE simple

ancient bolt
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they do know the CS stuff, and it's clear when I pair with them, but that's just not all that useful

slim nymph
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development and CS concepts are stuff you can easily learn on your own / even before school

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SE.... not so much, unless you specifically target it

ancient bolt
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tbh if you know how to use git you're already ahead of most junior devs

void void
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lol

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wait

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was that a joke

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or

ancient bolt
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not a joke

slim nymph
#

nope

void void
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yikes

slim nymph
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out of everyone i interviewed, i think 1 person had a github profile, we hired him

ancient bolt
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this is why any open source work you have done is so important to include in a resume

void void
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i have a bunch of trash on my github

ancient bolt
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I fucking hate the "if you're not doing it in your spare time you're not good" idea or w/e

void void
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a lot of it is half implemented

ancient bolt
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but if you have a github, it's worth showing

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Can't imagine anyone hiring a manufacturing engineer and asking them what shit they've manufactured in their spare time lmao

void void
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well, alright. Thanks. Something to think about. I'm still far away from transfering at all because I fucked up and took chem instead of physics, so I need to start at square one.

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I've taken all the CS courses the CC offers. So, I'm kinda...in GE land for a while.

unreal quarry
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sometimes i with i could get a SE job. but i dont have a degree in anything so ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

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๐Ÿ˜›

blazing mulch
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aikar is zgc worth it or no

void void
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But thanks for the advice fellas

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I'll use it

ancient bolt
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@unreal quarry @mental pumice recently got a SE job, he doesn't have a degree

unreal quarry
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probably knew someone

ancient bolt
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nope

mental pumice
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Nope

ancient bolt
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went through a recruiter

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er triplebyte i think

mental pumice
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Triplebyte

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Yep

olive garden
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I don't believe that it would be that hard to get a SE job over there Billy

mental pumice
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And discord is lagging.

void void
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I got a job as an application manager in a bank, cold called the company after a recruiter came to the college a few years ago

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but i left

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but yea no degree obviously

mental pumice
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Sure a startup, but pretty decent money

ancient bolt
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company I work for right now is like over 13 years and people call it a startup sometimes so I don't even know what that word means now

olive garden
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lol

blazing mulch
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lmao

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thats not a startup anymore

mental pumice
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Lol, itโ€™s been around 4 years at this point but yeah, itโ€™s still funded by VCโ€™s

ancient bolt
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I've heard several people refer to it as such ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

blazing mulch
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it's outdated probably

ancient bolt
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yeah VC funding definitely would be a startup

mental pumice
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Have a consistent revenue stream but I donโ€™t think itโ€™s paid off the initial investments

blazing mulch
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especially if the startup happened 13 years ago

mental pumice
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Either way

ancient bolt
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@mental pumice it's a job and they are paying you so

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

mental pumice
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Itโ€™s not hard. Itโ€™s harder now because thereโ€™s the interviews all happening remotely

olive garden
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Does that make it harder?

mental pumice
#

So you have to emphasize your personality over a zoom google hangouts calendar invite

olive garden
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lol

mental pumice
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Iโ€™d say so, only because Iโ€™ve had my in person interview being an all day thing

ancient bolt
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yeah getting a connection with someone so that they remember you is easier to do in person typically

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when interviewing making sure they actually remember you is usually really important

mental pumice
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Like 3 technical interviews in the morning, lunch, then some non-technical interviews with the CTO and project managers.

ancient bolt
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I've done quite a few interviews and when I get to the feedback stage and I have to check my notes because I don't remember them that's usually a bad sign

olive garden
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wow, that's a lot of interviews

ancient bolt
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startups try to copy google's interview process for some reason, it's weird

blazing mulch
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Lol

olive garden
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kind of shows that I am not familiar with the hiring process at all

mental pumice
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Itโ€™s the only one, much better than suspending several interviews over months on end.

blazing mulch
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they want to seem "Professional"

mental pumice
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Itโ€™s not a lot, just a lot of people seeing how you fit in with their personalities. The technical interview problems were on the easy side.

ancient bolt
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google interviews like that because they get thousands of applicants and they have the luxury of being able to choose only the absolute best, and they don't mind losing good people through the cracks who just don't perform very well in that kind of interview setting, because they just have so many applicants

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everyone just copies them because they want to be like google lol

blazing mulch
#

^

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Google sucks though

mental pumice
#

Startups sometimes have the need for more senior than junior as well.

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Like, you donโ€™t want a junior dev setting up your whole platformโ€™s architecture.

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But yeah, Triplebyte helped me quite a bit.

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No degree needed.

ancient bolt
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lol that was my first startup

mental pumice
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Triplebyte?

ancient bolt
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no, a junior dev setting up infra

mental pumice
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Ah lol

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I guess depends if itโ€™s govtech or something

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Or maybe once it hits like 40 people

ancient bolt
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can't do anything to make intellij happy

mental pumice
ancient bolt
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it thinks I just shouldn't do this

mental pumice
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If you do wanna give it a shot, thatโ€™s a referral

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You shouldnโ€™t though

ancient bolt
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that code is rather special case, but I'll bite, what should I do instead?

mental pumice
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Whatโ€™s the context?

ancient bolt
blazing mulch
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How could i pregenerate chunks easily

ancient bolt
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doc comment explains what's going on

blazing mulch
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no world border

ancient bolt
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standard practice is to install world border, pregenerate, then get rid of the plugin

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you don't have to keep it just to pregen

mental pumice
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Oh, craftbukkit

blazing mulch
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hmm

mental pumice
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Nvm. Thought you were asking in general java

ancient bolt
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@mental pumice what do you mean? Is there a better solution?

olive garden
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Ignore the inspection, just like how you sometimes have to hide the unsafe cast stuff

ancient bolt
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I'm somewhat aware of how intellji inspections work lol

olive garden
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didn't mean to suggest otherwise

shell vine
ancient bolt
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intellij inspections are almost always right (esp if enabled by default) and they are a good learning tool

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I'm pretty sure I am right here since it's a special case, but if there's something to learn from this I'm interested in that

mental pumice
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@unreal quarry take that Triplebyte quiz. Whole process is free, of course during the quarantine everything is remote, but in person interviews and flying you out was paid for by them. Just gotta pass their quiz, then they have a whole 2 hour interview and if you pass, they โ€œcertify you can be a Software Engjneerโ€ of some general sense or can even specialize it for like DevOps etc.

olive garden
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yep, one of the reasons I believe IntelliJ is a better choice than Eclipse - inspections help you in learning a lot

mental pumice
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Just give gradle development some attempt and you might say otherwise.

olive garden
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The solution would be calling wait on some object, but since you can't / don't want to modify Minecraft source code, I think your solution is fine. That's what I meant previously as well

mental pumice
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I absolutely hate that it complains about incubating all the damn time.

blazing mulch
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This is a stupid question but is there really a general Peformance difference between using Spigot Plugins on Paper and Paper Plugins on Paper?

ancient bolt
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modifying minecraft source code is not an issue

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I don't see any benefit from calling wait tbh

olive garden
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you don't need to "busy-wait": it would be "event-driven"

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Would it have any benefits, especially after the server started? no

ancient bolt
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I understand the concept, I don't agree that those 2 designs are interchangable

olive garden
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@blazing mulch What does Paper vs Spigot plugins even mean? I guess if you use Paper in your plugin, you can utilize eg. async chunk loading, but PaperLib allows you to do that even in "Spigot plugins"

static badge
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spinwaiting in this context is fine

blazing mulch
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ah i see

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alright thanks

ancient bolt
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yeah, calling wait+notify would work with more effort if we really wanted to do that

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but I'll just suppress the inspection heh

olive garden
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Both of them would work in this context if you ask me. Busy waiting separates code better though, you don't really rely on anything external (apart from the server starting, of course)

ancient bolt
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having an internal "server available" (remember, this is pre-server start) event would only make sense if there were multiple parts of the code needing this kind of behavior

static badge
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busy waiting generally is an oofers

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not in this case

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  1. it's not performance critical
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  1. isn't holding locks
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  1. long sleep time
olive garden
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๐Ÿ‘

ancient bolt
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intellij yelled at me for my cleanup thread too

mental pumice
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hey @ancient bolt how much of gradle mcp did you get working with paper?

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cause uh, FG3 looks pretty modulable to extend to make papergradle a thing again

ancient bolt
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back when I was working on it paperweight was able to create a paper MCP workspace

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FG3 isn't nearly modulable enough for what we need

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the whole spigot toolchain is just oof

mental pumice
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right, out of the box it isn't

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but you'd be able to apply fg3 or depend on it/fork it to basically update paperweight to use it

ancient bolt
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I looked into it

mental pumice
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cleanupBuffers.... that's a super fun one

ancient bolt
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the effort needed to retrofit FG3 onto spigot's build process (+ implement all of the other things we need on top of FG like custom mcp names and other such things) would be more effort than just writing paperweight itself like I did

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also paperweight does source code remapping

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and don't get me started on how laughably bad srg2src is

mental pumice
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oh yeah

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well, i've been having stupid fun working around making separated sourcesets

ancient bolt
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@upper flicker can we upgrade paper to java 11 now

quasi valley
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By the time more people have gone from 8 to 11, weโ€˜ll already have 18

static badge
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java11 can break stuff shrug_animated

ancient bolt
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ur face can break stuff

static badge
ancient bolt
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java 11 has nest mates which I would like

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I hate synthetic accessors ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

static badge
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the removal of synthetic accessors breaks tinyprotocol kekw

quasi valley
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tinyprotocol

static badge
#

relying on synthetic methods is some true pepega but uh plugins are also true pepega

magic ice
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just don't use any plugins thinksmart

ancient bolt
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just don't play minecraft

cosmic raft
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~limbo are you alive?

void void
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maybe?

quasi valley
#

just use 300โ‚ฌ forks that do everything plugins already can

limber knotBOT
#

oh it's sentient

magic ice
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~limbo hi

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๐Ÿค”

limber knotBOT
#

It doesn't like you

magic ice
#

sad

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bot must be broken then

cosmic raft
#

~limbo are you alive?

void void
#

maybe?

cosmic raft
#

nope

#

it's alive

limber knotBOT
#

so it really doesnt like you, red

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you have to accept it

magic ice
#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

cosmic raft
#

i'll make it more fun

limber knotBOT
#

make it say mean things to red

magic ice
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i thought we were friends

cosmic raft
#

~limbo are you alive?

void void
#

maaaybe?

cosmic raft
#

~limbo are you alive?

void void
#

maaaaaaaaaaaybe?

cosmic raft
#

~limbo are you alive?

void void
#

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

cosmic raft
#

:3

static badge
#

kash

#

~limbo are you alive?

limber knotBOT
#

~limbo are you alive?

ancient bolt
#

spam

static badge
#

reee

limber knotBOT
#

wow

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racist

cosmic raft
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only me, sorry guys :)

static badge
#

wonder if I can /nick and it'll accept

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is ur code that retarded or nah

cosmic raft
#

:-)

static badge
#

god damn it

ancient bolt
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What if I put /* package */ where private would normally go for packave-private visibility thonk

cosmic raft
#

that's what I do

ancient bolt
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Yeah I think I like it

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I hate how java's solution is just "don't put anything there"

cosmic raft
#

I like it, it helps sometimes

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~limbo stack please

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perfect

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just for you

static badge
#

ah yes

cosmic raft
#

StatusFeature.java:69

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perfect

fallen oracle
#

Wait what

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What did you do

cosmic raft
#

hm?

fallen oracle
#

Idk, im eating waffles and I see you did something with private packages

static badge
still cape
#

anyone know of any resource that allows players on minecraft bedrock to interface with discord?

cosmic raft
#

oh wow @ancient bolt

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GitHub supports code navigation for Java now

ancient bolt
#

yeah it's cool

limber knotBOT
#

yeah it's nuts

static badge
#

pretty PogU

keen terrace
#

I have my portal-search-radius and portal-create-radius set at 16 and 2 respectively but players more than 120 blocks away (in the overworld) are still being sent to the same portal in nether
Am I doing smth wrong?

indigo fiber
#

Did you set that up after the portals were linked, I'm not familiar with your particular situation, but I believe there was a recent change in which portals are linked and "saved" or cached so the server isn't checking portals everytime you go through

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break the portal and relight it, see if that fixes it? (if it was linked prior to the change, if after - idk what the issue personal :( )

ancient bolt
cosmic raft
#

hehe

ancient bolt
#

that's a big nono

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I'm doing that in multiple places damn

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would anyone bite me if I just created a new thread whenever I sent a response

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cause that's what I'm gonna do

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ugh damnit no I can't do that

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I have to do it the proper way

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annoying af

cedar herald
#

@fallen oracle I meeeaaaaan look at this

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Also noticed man did not listen to me when I suggested to stop using shockbyte

fallen oracle
#

Oop

merry talon
cedar herald
#

Ah yes

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Glare

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I mean

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like cmooon

twin lagoon
#

@shell vine you own phanaticmc right?

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might want to check your servers for a backdoor if so

regal torrent
#

Sorry to change the subject

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but what do you guys think of the new eula change

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where optifine is screwed

twin lagoon
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there is no eula change

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the guidelines page has been updated

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the eula / guidelines themselves haven't updated since 2017

regal torrent
#

oh yea that ^ sorry

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i noticed that faction servers

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have reverted back to their old donation methods

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after being blacklisted

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how are they pulling that off without paying the consequences

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basically, im trying to ask if they are outright just breaking the eula or just using a loophole

twin lagoon
#

.g fuck the eula srv record bypass

limber knotBOT
#

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SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft
If Mojang wrote you an email to comply with their EULA what would y...

To everyone saying they won't comply... really? Enjoy 90% of your player-base leaving lol...
Nope i've already managed to get 20 people on my server to...

twin lagoon
#

o

regal torrent
#

wat what

twin lagoon
#

there used to be a domainname called fucktheeula.com that redirected you to a github repo with a bypass

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but it's quite simple

#

you can bypass the current eula with SRV records

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mojang isn't going after servers atm

regal torrent
#

is that what thearchon and cosmicpvp are doing?

shell vine
#

@twin lagoon ?

twin lagoon
#

@regal torrent yes

regal torrent
#

i see

#

that amazes me tho

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how theyre not suffering lawsuits

twin lagoon
#

that's a lot of effort and a lot of time

regal torrent
#

using srvrecords

twin lagoon
#

can't just simple sue someone

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i mean they could send a cease and desist letter tbh

regal torrent
#

very true

slim nymph
#

breaking EULA is not a "crime", its a breach of contract. breaking eula voids your right to use their game. so legally taking someone to court over eula violations is an extreme jump that doesnt really give mojang of a goal. hard to say it "had financial impact". at most might win a court order to C&D assocating with the game?

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and in the us they dont even go to court, its arbitration

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which means mojang wins by default

#

arb is never gonna be in your favor lol

#

gonna sleep now

fallen jungle
#

Michael, what was the backdoor thing related to?

twin lagoon
#

craftimize / mason

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optimized, private, closed-source paid paper fork

fallen jungle
#

ah

twin lagoon
#

he requests for root privileges on the dedicated servers

#

installs a backdoor, calls it a DRM

slim nymph
#

"optimized" aka resells our open source work plus his sprinkles on top

limber knotBOT
#

that happens when you pay for closed source forks pepega

twin lagoon
#

3 people have been found with it

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he only installs it if he "doesn't trust you"

wide chasm
#

The only significant change paid forks make is the price tag

twin lagoon
#

he was literally trying to justify it in the tuinity discord

cedar herald
#

hell nah

#

idc what you want to call it

slim nymph
#

i love how he felt the need to obfuscate the backdoor too

cedar herald
#

a remote code execution backdoor is not a drm

#

That's a I'll use this to ruin that person if they screw with me

#

and that's some horrible business practice

twin lagoon
limber knotBOT
#

waddafuq

#

let me guess, that's also sold on mcmarket

slim nymph
#

why would anyone give him root lol

twin lagoon
#

so he can profile

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and do some basic sysadmin stuff

#

idk

slim nymph
#

can do it w/o root

cedar herald
#

I will make you a user account on my system

twin lagoon
#

ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

cedar herald
#

that has limited access

#

you should be good with that

#

๐Ÿ‘Œ

slim nymph
#

sure he can put malicious code in the jar, that wont be ran as root unless your an idiot starting mc as root

limber knotBOT
#

pretty sure everyone paying for their optimized spigot/paper fork is idiotic enough lol

twin lagoon
#

not really

#

he's the last option basically

#

no one wants him but they have to

cedar herald
#

If I was ever to use him he'd get a user account with enough access for him to do his work but also not enough to install his little backdoor should he choose to want to do so

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and if he complains, I could quote this drama and the fact he doesn't need root

slim nymph
#

well the idea of what hes doing isnt horrible, his price tag is questionable though...i dont know how much time he really gives people

cedar herald
#

I wonder what his sprinkles of optimization are

twin lagoon
#

things like skipping ticks

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multi-threaded stuff

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moving things off to threads etc

slim nymph
#

spigot has skipping ticks lol

twin lagoon
#

skipping ticks for certain mobs etc

slim nymph
#

charging for personal customization is fine really

twin lagoon
#

it's not what you think it is like spigot

slim nymph
#

just backdooring shit is a nono

twin lagoon
#

agreed

cedar herald
#

Paper should do these things so his service is nullified pepega

slim nymph
#

hey for 1k ill do it ๐Ÿ˜‰

twin lagoon
#

deal

cedar herald
#

If I had money laying around I would

slim nymph
#

lol

cedar herald
#

๐Ÿ‘Œ

#

Mason seems like he needs a little lesson

shell vine
#

u would?

slim nymph
#

though if we wanna pay for the time ive spent on here, pay that 100k bill im due at this point

cedar herald
#

How much you think the bill would be

#

for your entire time with the whole spigot/mc server community

slim nymph
#

i dont even really want to try to calculate how much time ive spent on this game

#

and if you multiply that by my pay per hour....

#

its probably over 200k even

cosmic raft
#

I've been fiddling with Minecraft since 2009 >.>

cedar herald
#

You're way past the point of return at this point. You're stuck with us

cosmic raft
#

started just playing the game back in alpha

#

now i'm involved in most major projects in some way, along with other things :P

cedar herald
#

I had the game in alpha but I never thought to fiddle with anything in it until many years later

slim nymph
#

ok as i orig said, time for sleep for reals

cedar herald
#

oh my it's almost 4am

ancient bolt
#

I don't like thinking about how much time I've spent in a community for a game I don't play

#

And yet here I am

void void
forest flower
#

does someone know a scoreboard plugin that only shows itself when i press tab?

#

tbh, idk

#

i just dont want to see it all the time on the side

swift herald
worn ember
#

No. Keybinds are clientside

void void
rich sphinx
halcyon pier
autumn fable
tropic flame
#

Imagine thinking BleachBit has a bug because it doesn't show any window but it's actually because it just takes 5 minutes to load for the first time with the 3.0 update

forest flower
#

i think tablist is what i want

limber knotBOT
#

apparently discord now has a background noise reducer for testing

#

and it suks :aaa: sounds like you dropped your sound quality by 70%

surreal dock
heady spear
#

lol ya boy is now a verified songoa marketplace creator

#

bet y'all jelly af

limber knotBOT
#

why would you want to be one oO

heady spear
#

i get a sexy blue role, why else??

limber knotBOT
#

sounds reasonable

#

I'd prefer a pink one tho

woven otter
#

sounds pretty gay

heady spear
#

tbf tho the marketplace is really nice

worn ember
#

wtf is songoa?

woven otter
#

hm does she get for your plugins tho

worn ember
#

that name sounds familiar

#

wasnt that that chick that stole plugins and shit?

woven otter
#

something along those lines yeah

worn ember
#

smh

#

wemen, always stealing

woven otter
#

wemen are gay

worn ember
#

almost as gay as cityweeb

#

what was that for >.>

left swift
#

Cyberbullying smiler

worn ember
#

ikr

#

not even a warning smh

woven otter
#

I meant homosexual

#

not gay

left swift
#

Oh wait doesn't the bot kick for the g word lol

olive garden
#

๐Ÿคฆ

woven otter
#

that would be homosexual

left swift
woven otter
#

a

#

wow

left swift
woven otter
#

that's yag

limber knotBOT
#

just say "that's retarded"

#

that's no prob her

left swift
#

That's spigot

latent valve
#

Wut bot kick for 9ay now? kekw

left swift
#

No just a ghost mod kick

latent valve
#

Hmm

#

Oh ic wiz is here ๐Ÿ˜‚

left swift
#

Wiz appears

pulsar wigeon
#

apparently duck forgets what happens when you triple down

#

he's going for the magma award

latent valve
#

Awww

worn ember
#

oh baby a tripple

limber knotBOT
#

you didn't

#

no :(

worn ember
#

he did

left swift
#

Is that like a dundie award

olive garden
#

he died a martyr

limber knotBOT
#

wow

#

that was rude

#

sounds like a lack of braincells

#

#justiceforduck

worn ember
#

ban evading ๐Ÿ‘€

limber knotBOT
#

f

olive garden
#

gg

left swift
#

Appeal in the spigot discord

limber knotBOT
#

wow

#

that was rude

worn ember
#

lets raid the sponge discord now

limber knotBOT
#

tripple F

#

not wanting to attack your supremacy sir wiz, but that seemed like a pretty weak build for a ban ๐Ÿ‘€

latent valve
#

Duk got oofed

olive garden
#

it was a mastermind tactic

#

ban duck for close to no reason

#

then ban him for real due to ban evasion

latent valve
#

JusticeForDuck!! Atleast duk tasted good

limber knotBOT
#

at least you verbally told magma to stop, this pretty much just seemed like the usual geck kicks

left swift
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I mean u get kicked for saying it 3 times in a row

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U would think that means stop

pulsar wigeon
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dw that won't be a perma

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he just gets some time to contemplate how stupid he is

worn ember
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and how g- hyperthink

limber knotBOT
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ded pepega

worn ember
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inb4 also banned

olive garden
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no, that was only #2

worn ember
heady spear
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dark why r u like this

worn ember
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i cant help it

heady spear
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hm does she get for your plugins tho
@woven otter
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untold flame
scenic canopy
onyx cipher
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Hey guys whats the best HUB plugin for bungee / waterfall?

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I dont care if it's premium

pulsar wigeon
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best

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???

onyx cipher
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I am using HubBasics but having some issues with it

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Most complete, no issues, up to date?

pulsar wigeon
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lmao

onyx cipher
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Or any that you guys are using that you are happy with?

pulsar wigeon
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nothing. ezpz done.

onyx cipher
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Great thx

heady spear
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hubs r boring

pulsar wigeon
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if your hub exists for anything more than looking fancy and letting people get to the correct server, the rest of your server probably sucks

onyx cipher
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Oh nono, the idea is just that

limber knotBOT
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bat wat about loot chests and 1000 particle effects?

pulsar wigeon
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lul

onyx cipher
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And some parkour

left swift
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If my pet doesn't have particle effects and special mob heads it's not a real server

ashen cliff
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If it doesn't take me, least 30s to join the lobby, the server is bad.

heady spear
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R u saying Hipickle sucks

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They have Easter egg hunt!!

left swift
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I need to go through at least 10 GUIs before I join a server

charred meteor
ashen cliff
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3 captchas, 3 parkour, 2 IQ tests and a full Turing test, before I even start loading the lobby.

wide chasm
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"Question 17 out of 148"

heady spear
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But also guys I heard hipicklr use 1.8

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Is that a good version??? They have like hundreds of players so

wide chasm
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Yes, 1.8 beta is the best version

left swift
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Coty how do make high picksel server

latent valve
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recomment to swap out 1.15 jar for 1.8 jar

worn ember
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i like how we just bully people with dum questions with sarcastic responses

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im proud of you guys

onyx cipher
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Asking for a solid hub plugin is a dumb question?

wide chasm
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Not really. Sarcastic responses have just become sort of the status quo here.

lean sigil
onyx cipher
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Just server browser and thats it, maybe anti hunger anti void..

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Im testing deluxe rn

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I see it has a free and premium version, any idea on the difference?

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I see, thanks looks good!

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Did anyone see the minecraft commercial use update?

ashen cliff
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It got updated again?

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So what actually changed?

onyx cipher
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Changes on "hard currency"

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Hard currency is real money or anything that can be converted into real money, including, but not limited to, Bitcoins. Soft currency is available in-game only and has no real-world value. You may not sell soft currency for hard currency, neither separately or along with ranks as a single or recurring payout. This is regardless of what you can use the soft currency for.

kindred storm
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We have decided to allow larger and additional plots on creative mode servers to be sold for hard currency (real money).

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is that it?

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you may not sell โ€œlivesโ€ or reduced ban time for hard currency

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and also > Because of this, you may not sell โ€œunbansโ€, โ€œunmutesโ€ or similar admin tools for your server for hard currency, regardless of who receives the money.

pulsar wigeon
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didnt actually change

ashen cliff
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Till they actually make a working blacklist, the rules are useless.

pulsar wigeon
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if that's the same shit as yesterday, the text on the page didnt change at all

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just the timestamp for some reason

ashen cliff
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The backlist check is just a dns check, not even a IP lookup.
Just hashes the domain.

pulsar wigeon
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are we having this discussion here again

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how about we dont

ashen cliff
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Let's just say, it's stupid easy to bypass.

kindred storm
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Wouldn't changing your subdomain not be the most optimal solution anyway?

left swift
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Oof

heady spear
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You can sell plots for schmoney

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PlotSquared is EULA friendly

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yes boi

left swift
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Just not server friendly smiler

heady spear
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You are not allowed to sell the following for hard currency: 4 Schematics, regardless of the game mode.

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wtf does that even mean

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are you not allowed to sell the schematic file, or the ability to use schematics?

wide chasm
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Ability to use I'd assume

heady spear
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lol @ those creative servers that sell WorldEdit privileges

wide chasm
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I'd be surprised if they were talking about selling shcematics, since schematics aren't made by Mojang. (Only that NBT structure block stuff.)

heady spear
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which is already forbidden because of "edit several blocks at the same time, regardless of where on the server you can do it."

worn ember
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as if people actually gonna follow the EULA

wide chasm
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But what about that schematic with only one block? /s

worn ember
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i already got asked to make plugins that break it and got asked if was fine with that xD

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"sure, if you pay me enough"

wide chasm
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Their problem if they get blacklisted

heady spear
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am gonna add EULA FRIENDLY to my spigot resource lol

wide chasm
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City, Spigot is not Mc Market

heady spear
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then all greedy server owners will be like "ye boiiii" and give me their monies

worn ember
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"greedy server owners" wont give a fuck

pulsar wigeon
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eula friendly*

*this does not constitute legal advice. intellectualsites takes no responsibility if you get blacklisted

heady spear
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Also totally unrelated by songoda's staff team are like super nice

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and actually very professional

left swift
heady spear
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am impressed

pulsar wigeon
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sure, they have vested interest

onyx cipher
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What happens if you get blacklisted? People get an alert when joining?

pulsar wigeon
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cant join

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client blocks it

heady spear
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is that thing still updated