#general
wild mist
limber knotBOT
ih
worn ember
random 3 page essay from 
void void
m i k r o d i g g e r
bruh
wiz that's cursed
I vote change your names to those
hey MikroDigger how u doin
lime swan
brittle beacon
void void
idk am good wbu
limber knotBOT
oO
cedar cloud
arctic gate
fringe merlin
Anyone know of a plugin that can stop or discourage afk-fishing on paper latest?
latent valve
.g spigotmc antiafk fish
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/anti-auto-fishing.58978/ -- Anti-Auto Fishing | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft: "By default, It will also tell the player why they're fishery is considered an autofisher, by displaying a barrier particle effect where the..."
oh god
pls make name changes bannable
am totally enforcing discordname = minecraft name at dyescape now
visual portal
worn ember
oof
void void
void void
season 12 of dr who is much better than the mess that season 11 was
worn ember
who?
void void
indeed
worn ember
whomsn't
void void
correct!
keen hawk
limber knotBOT
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void void
what the fuck does italian have anything to do with mc formatting codes
ITALIC?
HOLY SHIT
Agreed
gritty marlin
hey guys are occasional big spikes where the server says "cant keep up" just inevitable?
i dont get them often but occasionally the server drops behind by like 100~ ticks
very rarely
pseudo cliff
tame pendant
Show is hope it looks ingame
@gritty marlin yeah, the newer mc versions perform very poorly. You are able to turn the message off from somewhere like maybe the spigot.yml. You can also try to optimize your server
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
gritty marlin
the main thing that is probably causing most lag is i have a relatively high server render distance but i really want it that way
im following those instructions, will they change the gameplay/redstone functionality at all?
void void
hello
gritty marlin
cool
void void
guys this is an off-topic chanel right
gritty marlin
because i was worried that all the stuff with redstone and hoppers would change and break some of my stuff
void void
guys i want to record a video and i want to ask a question and i want you guys to state your openion about it
gritty marlin
i didnt change any of the ones that effect mobs, except for their collision tickrate but obviously that doesnt affect spawning
some people have those 1 block entity cramming farms lmao and the mobs be vibing
void void
guys could you help me make a yt video?
gritty marlin
^
gritty marlin
in what way?
void void
i want to ask a question and you guys state your openion about it?
this is off-topic lol
and i asked it on several discords
ok im gonna rec and ask in 10seconds
gritty marlin
sure
void void
ok guys me and my friends on a nother discord investigated about the corona virus, we suspect that hand sanitizer companies or toilet paper companies to win more money, who do you think made it?
worn ember
mother nature did
gritty marlin
^
void void
i suspect hand sanitizer companies
dark cove
void void
xD
worn ember
its a mutation from the influenza strain
gritty marlin
random chance and bad luck made it
pulsar wigeon
are we trolling atm
void void
xD
pulsar wigeon
or actually being fucking retarded
gritty marlin
Greta thundberg made the virus so people would stay home, and less pollution would be created in this months
@still smelt this
void void
no @pulsar wigeon
gritty marlin
worn ember
he'll go bald if you ping him
void void
gritty marlin
why did you need to record it, why not take a screenshot lmao
worn ember
too ez
gritty marlin
live feed: asking alex jones tier conspiracies on a minecraft discord
quasi valley
that can’t even be topped by jones
gritty marlin
lol
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gritty marlin
bruh
mortal zinc
😮
gritty marlin
he really do be vibing hard
mortal zinc
i did not know this
actually maybe i did hear of black steve, but i don't really recall
worn ember
lmao
gritty marlin
i gotta ask yall paper guys, how did a bunch of people working for free on an open source project manage to make a server program so much better than mojang
worn ember
i can tell why they pulled that
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gritty marlin
if thats the case mojang made a swiss cheese server
quasi valley
Mojang made a pizza but only with cheese
wild knoll
I've heard that servers running 1.13/1.14 suffer from some performance issues. What's the consensus on this from a dev standpoint? Should these versions be avoided? Are the issues still present in 1.15?
ok, I've been trying to figure out which version to run. I was actually surprised in my research that a lot of players either prefer the >=1.9 combat or don't mind. I expected people to still prefer 1.8 combat. So with that in mind 1.12.2 is looking like the best candidate. Bit of a shame I don't get to use the "flattening" changes in 1.13 but it's not the end of the world.
void void
worn ember
its not that bad if you just optimize the shit out of it
wild knoll
Well I'll be using paper (was originally going to use spigot but on discovering paper it sounds like it's the way to go), I'll also be applying GC flags etc. Are you able to offer any quantification of "not that bad" or what the performance issues were like in the first place?
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
worn ember
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
worn ember
can help you tho
wild knoll
yeh I was reading through those yesterday, but optimisation only goes so far if specific versions just have big issues in general
worn ember
Entities seem to be the biggest issue from what i see in timings of people
so nothing new there i suppose
wild knoll
I read something about villagers being quite demanding in 1.13+
worn ember
yeah i think those are the biggest resource hoggers entity wise
wild knoll
I don't think villagers will pose a massive problem just due to the nature of my minigames/restrictions I shall be placing anyway. Given the changes in 1.13 I'm guessing that updating plugins from 1.12 -> 1.13 is a more significant task than the average update? So if I were to pick 1.12 then it would create more future work if I wanted to update to 1.16+ in the future.
limber knotBOT
the only thing really affected are items and blocks
worn ember
idealy you just download the appropriate versions and all is good
limber knotBOT
and unless you do some really special stuff updating that is relatively easy
onyx salmon
The biggest changes are from 1.12 to 1.13
if your plugin uses the 1.13 api you may have to do nothing to let your plugins run on upcoming versions
but new versions offer great api features
wild knoll
yeh that's my thought. I'm torn between going with 1.12 for performance or going with 1.15 to reduce technical debt.
onyx salmon
for example 1.14 introduces a NBT api for entities and itemstacks
worn ember
you wont get any spport but if you're not braindead you can surely figure it out
onyx salmon
I would say that you are not missing on that much features using the 1.13 api
at least if you don't need NBT
worn ember
if you gonna pick an older version at least pick 1.12
onyx salmon
but the api changed so much from 1.12
worn ember
that doesnt matter for him tho
onyx salmon
and 1.13.2 still has good performance in my opinion
wild knoll
I've heard that 1.13 performance is not good.
worn ember
not compared to 1.12
worn ember
i've developed for 1.8 and tbh its not even that different
onyx salmon
bruh
worn ember
sure theres more features but for 90% of cases its irrelevant
onyx salmon
i don't think so
worn ember
Well thats your opinion
onyx salmon
e.g PlayerProfiles
wild knoll
you said "worlds are shit from 1.14.4" could you elaborate on that?
worn ember
Never even used those 🙂 also he's not gonna be the one developing anyway
world generation was a big bottleneck in 1.14
onyx salmon
@wild knoll world loading is just soooo slow
wild knoll
did that get fixed in 1.15?
onyx salmon
not really
onyx salmon
they said that they would but it's nothing compared to 1.13 or 1.12 sadly
worn ember
if you're just running minigames 1.15 is fine really
onyx salmon
yeah, you could use SlimeWorldManager for smaller worlds
and disable entities
should be fine
golden gust
the gen process was made more.. horrific... the underlying system is potentially nice though... just... yea...
it's basically doing a lot more in a much more convoluted manner
worn ember
@still smelt well thats your issue, not mine lol
wild knoll
I'm concerned about poor world load times. Disabling entities will not be an option.
golden gust
chunk gen has always been slow
worn ember
i mean, use whatever works for you, idc tbh
golden gust
loading is fine on decent hardware
lone bay
golden gust
it's generation which is where the major slowness comes from
worn ember
try it and see tbh
wild knoll
New generation won't be happening it will be a copy of a pre-gened world so that might not be too bad.
golden gust
The suggestion for the SlimeWorldManager is potentially amazing for that if you don't mind keeping that entire region in ram
worn ember
if you're not running this on a pi like some maniacs you should be fine
onyx salmon
wild knoll
I'll take a look at slimeworldmanager but I'm not sure whether it will work for my use case.
golden gust
don't give people ideas
wild knoll
dw it isn't gonna be running on a pi or anything XD
worn ember
why does everyone always bash slime?
golden gust
bash?
worn ember
god dammit twitch support is retarded
i mailed them to tell them i didnt get any notification on any of my known email adresses so i asked if they could help me figure out the email adres and they just respond with "Our New Device / Location Verification email code is only sent to the email address that is connected to the applicable Twitch account. Please check to make sure you are accessing the correct inbox."
fucking rarts
left swift
vestal edge
BionicBunion
worn ember
nani
wild knoll
So SlimeWorldManager states that it doesn't store a lot of "unnecessary data" that Minecraft worlds typical store? What data is this?
worn ember
everything
worn ember
well its not chinese for sure
vestal edge
i live in hong kong
worn ember
so ur a free state 
wild knoll
Cos I don't think that my server will fit into the box of a "typical minigames server" so I'm concerned that some of the data not being stored might be needed.
left swift
furries 
worn ember
vestal edge
furry good
left swift
no
worn ember
left swift
a shame
worn ember
many furries today lmao
worn ember
or its his alt
mortal zinc
furries are just as human as everyone else
everyone you hate is just as human as everyone you love
think about those two things
i'd like to meet the man who disagrees with me
left swift
we're not here to discuss morals, we're here to make fun of furries
and read timings report with the word "help" next to it
mortal zinc
well i'm that guy
limber knotBOT
switches furries over to CentOS.
left swift
i'm voting for the bot party next election
void void
spark flower
fierce crag
void void
bro where did these come from
pulsar wigeon
from their parents
fallen oracle
Lol
ember crag
well...you see...when a mommy llama loves a daddy llama very much...
void void
shell vine
or when u break an egg on the ground 
wheat summit
slow marten
vestal jasper
Furries are just as human but they're more degenerate :^)
unborn reef
fast karma
teal acorn
Anyone here host a vanilla 1.15.2 server above 60 players before? 🤔
vestal jasper
vanilla server
implying vanilla has anything to offer rn to warrant a single server having 60 players
void void
vestal jasper
I didn't convey that pretty well
how would you convince 60 people to join ur vanilla server
heady spear
yooooo does any of you noobs have a recommendation for a chat plugin that supports channels?
as in, is any of them actually good?
void void
idk m8 make 1
teal acorn
Well, there are many reasons people play vanilla 1.15.2
- They cannot host the server themself.
- ""Competitive""
- Like to grief other peoples shit
teal acorn
I'm talking about is hosting a vanilla gamemode with Paper, does it have any performance issues with 60 players above
dapper nacelle
it will probably run better then vanilla tho
torn lotus
void void
hi
tacit oak
ok,thx
void void
website down? 
twin lagoon
ye true, source code is a mess and it doesn't use maven
@heady spear if you're creating your own
.g lucko gchat
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twin lagoon
could base off of that
heady spear
That looks pretty interesting
buoyant tiger
void void
errant zephyr
neon juniper
limber knotBOT
you summoned the master race, how may we help you today?
neon juniper
Hey!
left swift
After 2004
limber knotBOT
I would’ve also set my name to be upside down if irc allowed it ;(
tho theopractically still just letters :aaa:
twin lagoon
what do you mean〖«xXxmINIdIGgER_2008XxX_»〗
marble wind
west field
worn ember
lool
left swift
Well then
agile tulip
Hey, I just started my 1.15.2 survival server, and have issue with lagging. What I can do to optimize this server even further? I have pretty good dedicated - i7-9700k + 64GB ram + NVMe SSD. I have other server on 1.12 on this machine, and it runs 150 players with 20 tps.
limber knotBOT
try a packet limiter
.g spottedleaf spigot packetlimiter
(MiniDigger) https://github.com/Spottedleaf/PacketLimiter/blob/master/pom.xml -- PacketLimiter/pom.xml at master · Spottedleaf/PacketLimiter...: "... individual players from spamming packets - Spottedleaf/PacketLimiter. ... <groupId>ca.spottedleaf.packetlimiter</groupId> ......"
you are also tripping old gen
might want to reconsider if 16gb ram is a good idea
(hint: its not)
agile tulip
So what ammount of ram is suggested?
limber knotBOT
try 10
agile tulip
Those are your only thoughts? I should do everything at once to spare users on restarts
worn ember
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
agile tulip
I did that
worn ember
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
worn ember
That too?
agile tulip
Yes
flags: -Xms16G -Xmx16G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=50 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=40 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=60 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs
But now I got info to set ram to 10G
worn ember
Try with 10 gb as mini said. You really don't need that much ram
It just makes the GC lazy and create bigger spikes
dapper nacelle
why is PHP so retarded
agile tulip
I'm also wonderng if I should lower this with 70 players online
max-auto-save-chunks-per-tick: 10
What do you guys think?
left swift
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
left swift
8
shadow pasture
void void
{1,} can be indeed replaced with +
because {1,} seems to stand for "one or more"
- does the same
pulsar wigeon
leaf ticklists broken 
static badge
the first entry in long scheduled is scheduled for almost 1 full day (22hrs) from current tick
and the last one is scheduled for 870 days
what in the fuck
pulsar wigeon
wut lmao
void void
ye
pulsar wigeon
real time days?
limber knotBOT
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static badge
this is the s entry creation for vanilla
public void schedule(BlockPosition blockposition, T t0, int i, TickListPriority ticklistpriority) {
// Paper end
if (!this.a.test(t0)) {
this.a(new NextTickListEntry<>(blockposition, t0, (long) i + this.f.getTime(), ticklistpriority));
}
}
and this is the entry creation for paper
@Override
public void schedule(BlockPosition blockPosition, T t, int i, TickListPriority tickListPriority) {
this.schedule(blockPosition, t, i + this.world.getTime(), tickListPriority);
}
...
public void schedule(final BlockPosition pos, final T data, final long targetTick, final TickListPriority priority) {
com.tuinity.tuinity.util.TickThread.softEnsureTickThread("async tick list schedule"); // Tuinity - soft async catcher
final NextTickListEntry<T> entry = new NextTickListEntry<>(pos, data, targetTick, priority);
if (this.excludeFromScheduling.test(entry.getData())) {
return;
}
...
wide chasm
Wolfram Alpha can solve basic text questions actually. Something like "Anne has 3 apples. Jane has 5 apples. Jane gives 2 to Anne. How many apples does Anne have?" should be possible.
worn ember
photomath saved me tons of times in highschool
wide chasm
Well Wolfram Alpha has a step-by-step solver, but that is pro only.
worn ember
very cool
pulsar wigeon
have you tried it
limber knotBOT
you can get a pro apk for your phone on the internet to unlock step by step
that what got my thru uni, lol
phone
I may or may not have used that in an exam, lol
heady spear
stop being cheap and get pro then
limber knotBOT
I was a poor student
wide chasm
If you are poor, open the step-by-step preview, take the next step, enter that again in WA and repeat 🙂
pearl ibex
Lmao.
worn ember
we know
pearl ibex
Oh.
worn ember
i kinda like matlab
limber knotBOT
I was poor, not bored, lol
pulsar wigeon
60 ^ 2
🤦
you don't test your code do you?
i mean, you could literally just test the math
limber knotBOT
who needs colons? https://github.com/Phoenix616/NeoBans/blob/master/src/main/java/de/themoep/NeoBans/core/NeoUtils.java#L20-L60
pulsar wigeon
average month length 
limber knotBOT
in that case it doesn't really matter how long a month or a year is tbh
most jails/bans only last up to a couple days anyways
pulsar wigeon
.g java operators
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void void
ah lmao right
^ is not for power
in java
is /home a paper command or no, because i used a plugin detector thing to see what plugin it was for the command and it couldn't find a plugin for it
no it's not
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
.g java bitwise operators
limber knotBOT
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void void
yes it's XOR
pulsar wigeon
there we go
unreal granite
limber knotBOT
last I checked discord showed who the guild owner is in the list? 
only if there is no listed rank with admin perms
if you mean the crown
shows it pretty clearly: https://i.phoenix616.dev/d5YZpcu2.png
last I checked discord
last cargo
limber knotBOT
lol
well I don't check discord that often, Kenny :P
that's what I meant
ripcord shows it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I have now become a boomer
wide chasm
If you search in the members list (if you have access to that) it shows it as well.
limber knotBOT
implying that discord actually gives you all the information is has
it's such a joke
yeah, their client doesn't
the client* yea
e.g. it hides channels that you don't have access to from the list, lol
do you actually have any people using irc
not even you use irc
i don't use it because it's basically only here where I can use it
so it annoys me to only open LimeChat for Paper
it's like that for me with discord
Is it possible to make a plugin that acts as an IRC?
in game
sure
I might search for it, some boomer may have already created it
irc is extremely simple xD
I don't know rick
not for someone who 30min ago tried to do 60 squared with 60^2
void void
cosmic raft
@still smelt no
limber knotBOT
ok thank you for answering
mint sequoia
Everyone's a bot? Xd
limber knotBOT
I'm
mint sequoia
Epic
limber knotBOT
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agile tulip
Hey, I had issue with laggs on 1.15.2. I tried lowering ram, and it helped it, but some issues are still aparent. What else I can do to keep TPS on stable 20? Here are my timings: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=d8aa583b3a544f1b9e4cea60e9d2a25d
limber knotBOT
#paper-help
fallen eagle
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
your memory is still pretty high, Pjo
but it's hard to say if that could be the cause for your issues though, might just be too many players/entities in general
agile tulip
What more can I do about that? I tried optimising. Look at my configs. I have quite good system running this servr - i7-9700k, nvme ssd
limber knotBOT
reduce entities further I guess or reduce view distance
earnest swallow
tender badge
gray pagoda
limber knotBOT
usually one wants to just use \n as the new line character ;D
knotty nebula
I'm running a server with 25 people on and a ryzen 3600, why is the cpu usage at 86% any idea?
Oops #paper-help
spiral violet
red pier
astral mantle
still cape
anyone here know anything about advancedachievements?
well issue is i seem to have corrupted my database, but i have backups... thing is i can't seem to restore because i copy backup over but after reboot the file size changes and i get the same error. any tips?
quartz crest
worn ember
contact their support ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mellow niche
static badge
cosmic raft
mfw your new name
worn ember
lmao
patent path
hi, does someone know a plugin to define per-mob/per-world spawn rates?
worn ember
whats wrong with per player spawns?
patent path
for example if i want a world with mainly skeletons
still cape
hi b
from what i know there are many plugins that help you limit the amount of mobs per world
but not increase, except mythicmobs
and you can set areas not just world to increase a particular mob
now there may be others
but that's the only one i've come across
patent path
ok i will check mythicmobs then 🙂 thank you
still cape
you might also be able to bolster rate of mobs with command blocks and maybe worldguard regions (run a command to spawn more when someone enters a region) but i don't think that would be convenient
big i have a post on their forum
patent path
the thing I'd like is mainly to reduce spawn-rates for some mobs
still cape
then try farmlimiter here i'll show you a config
look at rules: https://gyazo.com/a3486608c5da9880942d849264d460c2
tough tusk
still cape
i keep all the settings off because i like the commands and then address things by hand if i don't like what i see in the results
smoky python
grave wasp
latent valve
:po0p:
void void
lunar hearth
I've been working on a small server for a bit, and right now it's self hosted on an old machine with 5GB allocated to Paper, thing is even with only one player connecting over the internet, they get a bunch of lag, I'm pretty sure it's just my internet connection so I'm thinking of moving to dedicated hosting, but according to /lag with 2 players on the server, it's using 4GB out of the available 5, and I'm thinking this is a bit high? I don't really want to pay for a large amount of RAM if I don't really need it
left swift
What are ur flags
lunar hearth
java -Xms5G -Xmx5G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=35 -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -Dusing.aikars.flags=mcflags.emc.gs -jar paper.jar
left swift
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
lunar hearth
I'm already using those
left swift
Read the technical explanation of xmx and xms
tame pendant
i think what nomanasendhelp was saying was:
You set xms to 5g so it's gonna use 5g. If you want it to be less for some reason, make xms1G and keep xmx5G
@lunar hearth
lunar hearth
Ah ok
left swift
It uses what u set yes
lunar hearth
By uses do you mean it'll reserve that much or do you mean it'll use that much
left swift
Reading the info on there explains why u use xms = xmx
lunar hearth
System ram usage shows Paper consistently using 5gb, and /lag shows that it's using 4 of that 5gb
left swift
U assign the server 5gb
lunar hearth
Yeah I know
But out of that 5GB that Java has allocated for itself, it's normal for Paper to be using 4 of that on low load? Or are you saying my Xms is causing that
left swift
Yes its going to use what u say it can use
lunar hearth
Ok, so theoretically if I add more players, it might not make the ram usage go up immediately?
golden gust
Xms sets the initial heap size, but, we recommend just using it all, solves a few oddball edge-cases with performance around the JVM too
left swift
It will only use a max of 5gb if u set it 5gb if that's wat ur asking
golden gust
*the heap will
lunar hearth
Basically I'm seeing that Paper is using 4gb, and that with the 5gb of ram allocated there's only 1gb left, is that enough for more than 2 players?
limber knotBOT
I am running my server that maanges 20 players (the max I had recently xD) with 5GB so probably
left swift
Ur server has 5gb total or thata what ur setting it as?
limber knotBOT
it really depends on what the players do
golden gust
basically, that's fine
lunar hearth
I have 8GB installed, Xmx and Xms are set to 5 @left swift
left swift
It's all fine then
golden gust
you more care about how the heap is acting in general, which is often fun to watch but useless for most people to understand, for server owners in general, I just suggest running it and acting if you have issues 🤷♂️
lunar hearth
Ok, I'm just trying to predict how much ram I'll need to purchase when I move the server to paid hosting
So in the end the 4gb isn't indicative of the amount of players as it's gonna use as much ram as it can no matter the load?
golden gust
best advice is gonna be to test it
especially if your intent is more to save cash, drop the ram value a gig or two and see how it performs, if it works fine, that's your value, if you start seeing issues around GC, give it another gig
lunar hearth
Ok, thanks
I just wish I had a way to do load testing, I'd invite some friends on but the main bottleneck (and the main reason I'm going paid) is my internet
Is there some kind of load testing script that I can run locally to run some bots on the server?
lunar hearth
Hmm ok
Guess I'll just start with less gigabytes and then pay for more if necessary
keen terrace
Anyone good with EssentialsXSpawn? I'm having some issues... I have quite a few groups (e.g. default, dirt, stone, coal..., mod, admin, owner) I would like to have 2 different spawns. 1 for the group default, and the other for all other groups. How should I configure my spawn.yml file for that to work?
I tried this but it's not working
left swift
setspawn group
limber knotBOT
yeah, use the command
left swift
Is that even a thing? Using ! In yml like that?
keen terrace
It's not, but I'm not sure what kind of language yml file uses
setspawn group would work but I have 10+ other groups.. do I have to setspawn <group> 10 times?
cloud canopy
keen terrace
Is there a language that I can use in the file that says "if not <default>, then spawn at X"
lunar hearth
No, YAML is just data, any logic like that has to happen in the plugin
keen terrace
damn, any way to do it without typing out the command 10 different times?
golden gust
the plugin would need to have support for that
keen terrace
not sure if essentialsxspawn supports it
celest quail
golden gust
setspawn command lets you specify the thing its for
limber knotBOT
didn't yaml support key groups or something like that?
void void
median vapor
.kill MisterComa
limber knotBOT
glares at MisterComa until they die of boredom.
fluid mica
Hey Guys I have a question regarding SWM or .slime file format and if its compatible with paper spigot slime is a replacement for mca
lost haven
void void
limber knotBOT
okay so i've gotten tired of gnome with their latest update, what wm should I use next?
Mate
gleaming wharf
limber knotBOT
can someone tell me what the fuck the (twitter?) hashtag #itshappening is?
fathom hinge
limber knotBOT
4chan shit
patent hull
outer spade
void void
@ashen cliff did you also play with hugepages?
ashen cliff
Play.
I use them.
void void
default 2mb or did you configure 1gb one as well?
ashen cliff
I think I have it set to 4.
I've just spend like 6 hours trying to implement world gen using OpenCL, it somewhat works, like super basic worldgen.
Not really worth it tho.
void void
i believe so
also wtf linux
specifying mode=1770 in fstab ends up with mode=1352
or mount option generally
mmh
ashen cliff
Actually I use transparent hugepages.
void void
hm
as much as i read about them then they're kinda bad
because of kernel constantly trying to merge the pages etc
and gains were usually <10%
if there were any gains at all
ashen cliff
Depends on how you set the fragmentation.
void void
i just went with configuring additional pool of 32x1gb hugepages
and told jvms about it
ashen cliff
And now it's on fire?
void void
sec
well i'm the only one online rn
seems like no
Core 0: +28.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 1: +29.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 2: +27.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 3: +32.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 4: +28.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 5: +28.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 6: +27.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 7: +27.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
ayy
also enabled fan full blast coz fuck it
inb4 bearing dies
am not staff but ok
you're renting aren't you skeem
yes
then fuck the bearing 
not your problem
true that lmao
ashen cliff
To make it fun just port the entire worldgen to OpenCL.
void void
you act like any of us actually play mc for fun anymore
pulsar wigeon
we have our hands full dealing with retarded server owners
why would we want to deal with retarded players too
ashen cliff
/plugman unloadall
ashen cliff
And /reload.
latent valve
and /stop
void void
sounds like another 2b2t
ashen cliff
Unlike Billy, Shev actually did it.
void void
chad
gloomy narwhal
zinc cypress
void void
void void
yea he lives in italy
viper's fukd
lol no
lol no
no fuck you Celal
wiz
ban this fucker
latent valve
f off
void void
wiiiizzzzz
latent valve
wizzzzjaaanyyyyy
void void
WIZ
hey Celaxl ping wizjany
he'd love to subscribe
tell him about your channel
ping wizjany he'll subscribe
latent valve
@tiny trellis at-zizzany ping him
void void
someone should take this garbage out
lmao your fps is like
19
absolutely unbearable
trash channel
pulsar wigeon
can't take care of so many retards at once
orchid pelican
ember crag
it's ok wiz, I have felt your pain
worn ember
lol where did my java class option go 
latent valve
bed?
worn ember
but i want a class inside a package 
void void
yes, but you made it on a regular folder
u fukd up
delete the folder and make a package
pulsar wigeon
or just don't make folders at all and put the path in your class name
it will auto make packages for you
void void
ye
ok ill let you figure it out have fun with that, the solution is simple like my name
worn ember
smh breaking their own code conventions
pulsar wigeon
call it "numz"
quasi valley
Just don’t use packages, ez
worn ember
put everything in root
void void
even better if you use snake case for class names
pulsar wigeon
i mean
void void
for emulating packages
quasi valley
oh hell yea
pulsar wigeon
.g eu tld
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eu -- .eu - Wikipedia: ".eu is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the European Union (EU). Launched on 7 ... The TLD is administered by EURid, a consortium..."
quasi valley
Amazing
void void
quasi valley
no, it’s amazing
pulsar wigeon
imagine someone else buys your domain
pulsar wigeon
wut
ashen cliff
.rs so you don't have to google it.
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Feed not found.
pulsar wigeon
hella yikes
quasi valley
pulsar wigeon
don't have one
not that i've ever needed one
tho, standard is if you don't have a domain, use a package like com.gmail.<your gmail> or com.github.<your github>
at least that's identifiable
void void
.g buy .me domain
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://domain.me/ -- domain.ME - The Most Personal Domain Name: "ME is a domain name used globally by businesses and people wanting to make their online presence personal. .ME is the country code top level..."
void void
quasi valley
Ah yes, much personal
void void
buying it
just stepping on a gas pedal to make you rewrite your stuff :^)
bought it
yeet
quasi valley
did you actually
void void
of course not
latent valve
whoa
ashen cliff
But somehow you can be joined without being joined.
I wasn't joined, as he did kick me.
Well partnered servers have stricter rules, just one report could nuke the server without a warning.
It even goes back into it's old spot. That's cool.
pulsar wigeon
it's a feature of public servers
ashen cliff
I know, but that's still a bug.
ashen cliff
Look at the picture.
pulsar wigeon
you can "view" any of the servers
ashen cliff
Joined.
Yet I'm not.
worn ember
BigDigger > MiniDigger and thats a fact
vivid star
ashen cliff
Is .me renewal on GoDaddy still 20€ or did they lower it?
still cape
sigh i know this is not paper spigot related but does anyone know anything about advancedachiements and how to restore a corrupt database from backup?
anyone.... else? 🙂
limber knotBOT
just restore the database?
ashen cliff
Is it SQLite?
As any old guide for restoring that should just work.
still cape
i've seriously been trying to figure it out all day, and i've tried to restore, not working. no h2
void void
o.O
limber knotBOT
just replace the file?
still cape
and i have a backup, took server down, copied and replaced from backup, then when i turn server back on the plugin still doesn't load and the database changes in size
what do you mean by drop
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.tutorialspoint.com/h2_database/h2_database_drop.htm -- H2 Database - Drop - Tutorialspoint: "H2 Database - Drop - DROP is a command taken from the generic SQL grammar. This command is used to delete a database component and its structure..."
still cape
yes i have a test server with full backup of server from the 18th
void void
.g h2 import database
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://www.h2database.com/html/tutorial.html -- Tutorial - H2 database: "Using H2 with jOOQ. Using Databases in Web Applications Android CSV (Comma Separated Values) Support Upgrade, Backup, and Restore Command Line ..."
void void
how the fuck did you even make your backup then
if you can't make sense of taht
lmfao
still cape
...
still cape
it was already on the server i just ftp'd it down
no it's a plugin it makes the database automatically, i don't now how it got screwed up but it's fine on my test server
gleaming rivet
Easybackup 
void void
what plugin even is it
void void
go talk to the dude who makes it
limber knotBOT
what error are you getting?
void void
your db file was made on an older version of h2 than the one you're trying to load it on
still cape
on the test server it looks nice and green but on main server it's in red under /plugins https://gyazo.com/e5e17e335284c3dbd30aa0cfa9676fa1
oh?
void void
ok so what's different between the two servers
still cape
nothing it's a test server based on a backup of the main so i downloaded everything with filezilla from main and uploaded it to test
but it's a different host
but nothing different in the versions, same paper spigot version
and a few days' worth
since backup is from the 18 and that might matter 'cause achievements is all about what people do over time
void void
lol
so just delete the entire advanced achievements folder and jar from the main server
and copy it from the test
limber knotBOT
are you sure the file doesn't get modified when you upload it? can you compare the md5 hash sums on your test and main server?
still cape
z i can do that, so far i just tried copying the database
void void
as described here
export/import
but you cant make sense of it
so not my problem
either do that ^
still cape
and phoenix i don't know if it gets modified or not but i think it does (i don't know why) because when i reboot the server after i upload it it's a different size
void void
or restore entirely from your test
limber knotBOT
well check md5 sums locally and after you uploaded it to see if the upload is actually the issue
if so then you might have issues due to the wrong file encoding while transfering with ftp, some ftp servers don't properly communicate that so that filezilla can automatically select the correct one
of course that would only be an issue if the file was indeed changed during upload
still cape
i came across that in my research z but i wasn't able to make sense of it, tho it did help me figure out my database was corrupted
and phoenix i don't know how to do that but i will try copying the whole thing, jar and folder, from test to main and see what happens
if that doesn't work i'll brace myself for learning how to check md5 sums
void void
you need to start learning
idk how or why you're administrating a server and not knowing very basic server admin stuff
you need to be very comfortable with each piece of tech you use
using it and not knowing is pitiful
still cape
ok z thanks for the feedback, i know plenty related to what i encounter on a regular basis but in my 6 years of running this server this sort of thing never came up
so obviously i'm still learning
void void
and get out of the mindset that you "can't make sense of it", because you're gonna have to make sense of it at some point being that you're using that database for critical needs
that issue i sent does not actually say corrupted
it has to do with different db versions
still cape
i know i'm capable of making sense of it if i spent a bunch of time on it but i already spent most of the day trying to get this figured out so i appreciate some guidance, i will try to find the time to look at it more closely
still cape
no
i didn't do anything to it i was troubleshooting that erratic tps issue due to entities
and i decided to remove a bunch of plugins to narrow down the problem
void void
well, something happened and the h2 version changed; causing that error about the data type not being accepted. the fix is to export the db and reimport it using h2's script tooling. or maybe indeed phoenix's tip could have something to do with it, in that your ftp client is using the wrong encoding
still cape
i never touched advancedachievements i just removed some other plugins, then when i brought server back up it would not load the plugin
yeah but i don't know what happened, i might not know a whole hell of a lot but i am careful not to mess things up
still cape
but this happened anyway
void void
also you opened that issue 5 hours ago
still cape
...
void void
if he didnt respond in that time, that's still acceptable
in 5 hours it's entirely possible he's literally just asleep
or maybe he's dying of covid-19
golden gust
was the backup taken while the server was running?
void void
lmao
still cape
fuck
no it's just i do know better
like obviously i don't do that when maps are concerned
void void
wow, i didnt even think to ask that because that is a huge noob moment
still cape
i know
void void
still cape
and i usually know better that's why i automatically answered no
but the fact that i can't remember if i actually turned it off or not is making me wonder
still cape
but i think i did either way it's fine on the test server
still cape
the one that got corrupted is on the main server and that corruption only happened today
it worked fine this morning
ffs 24.03 18:18:56 [Server] INFO org.h2.jdbc.JdbcSQLNonTransientException: General error: "java.lang.IllegalStateException: Unable to read the page at position 154484957135304777 [1.4.200/6]" [50000-200] 😦
this stupid plugin just hates me right now
golden gust
suggests that your db is corrupted
pulsar wigeon
yea cat we established that
golden gust
Which, like... yea... without a working backup, rip
still cape
yes but it was the one copied from the test server which seems fine when i am on the test server, it loads fine
golden gust
make sure that you're also using binary mode in ftp
still cape
binary mode...
void void
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
still cape
where is that in filezilla
limber knotBOT
@EmpathyHeals Transfer -> Transfer Type
bleak phoenix
limber knotBOT
it's the Transfer Type
still cape
i found out
i found it
no luck
oh well
it keeps changing the size of the database to something different than what i uploaded
limber knotBOT
the size is not a good indicator for whether or not the file changed
(as the size might be calculated differently depending on the system)
still cape
well the fact that it's not loading is a strong clue and i get that same message
nah everything else is the same
limber knotBOT
you have to compare hash sums, if you are with some shared host then that would be difficult to do on the server so you would have to download it again and compare the two files locally I guess
still cape
in that directory and others in terms of the file size
golden gust
sounds like it's time to just fuck that db off and move on
still cape
well there has to be a way to get it from the test server to the main server but i just don't know how to do it and i hope the dev or someone who knows the plugin can reply to my comments
i wish there was a /export
in the commands
still cape
...
golden gust
there are tools for working with database files
still cape
i feel it's been the opposite quite all day so no thanks
fallen oracle
I was talking to Cat 😂
still cape
but i'd still like to get it to work for what it's intended to after all the effort
oh
fallen oracle
This new mobile update is so annoying, it keeps scrolling the damn channels.
What plugin is it?
fallen oracle
Oop, well I'm on lockdown for the next 30 days so you'll just have to wait.
pulsar wigeon
you're still allowed to visit people you have close personal relationships with generally :^)
fallen oracle
Actually around here we're on in-house lockdown unless you need groceries or medicine.
pulsar wigeon
zimple looks like glare could use a grocery delivery :^)
void void
what groceries does simple offer to him hmmmm
latent valve
normal
worn ember
what items/materials are often used for navigating to the next/previous page in an mc gui?
void void
i use red wool for prev and green wool for next
i feel like it's fairly intuitive but idk
knotty nebula
Also arrows and barrier blocks are good
void void
anyone use this ? https://www.universalminecrafteditor.com/
fallen oracle
Never heard of it, but it looks cool.
worn ember
github plz, i wanna read this plz
mortal zinc
you guys ever run into a memory leak that had to do with SQL PreparedStatement and ResultSets not being closed properly?
ancient bolt
no I close mine properly
mortal zinc
i'm not having an issue now, but it's something I had to deal with many years ago, and I'm just wondering if anyone ever experienced that
ancient bolt
tbh that's just another reason to use hikari
you can be pretty damn sure that hikari will handle everything properly
mortal zinc
i've heard of that before
ancient bolt
oh you're nottalking about connections
you should use hikari 100% of the time, but i don't think that's relelvant here, that's just the db drliver
well they are related
mortal zinc
i see
back at the time I was confused as why there was an issue as they both inherit AutoCloseable
glass sierra
worn ember
You should be using "using with resources" anyway
pulsar wigeon
c#
pulsar wigeon
try-with-resources
worn ember
That one