I had hints from before
#general
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limber knotBOT
uh, didn't realise celeste has some available source too.
wait, the available parts are even open source Oo
cosmic raft
all over my finger being sore
limber knotBOT
hm, I wonder if I could get Celeste Pico8 working in minecraft, lol
latent valve
kashike clone?
upper flicker
thats because kash is involved with everything
limber knotBOT
I mean, kash is everywhere
upper flicker
he's basically minecraft NSA
limber knotBOT
he just randomly pops up, becomes mod/contributor/project dev, and then continues to another place
until he's conquered the entire world
cosmic raft
laughs, evily
limber knotBOT
god, how do people work with modding apis that don't use proper events for anything -.-
a bit annoying when you are forced to have to inject directly into the game code just to cancel stuff even though there is a mod api provided :S
acoustic granite
limber knotBOT
nah, cities skylines modding xD
but yeah, applies to stuff like fabric too I guess
but it's a bit annoying that I'm at a point in my game where I don't find the mods I need anymore :S
cosmic raft
hetzner, ovh, what else is there
limber knotBOT
really depends on the location you want one
cosmic raft
anywhere, though in canada would be nicer
latent valve
if use finland hetzner add 20-30ms comparing to germany
limber knotBOT
meh, I think I it will be faster and I happier if I just pay someone to write that mod for me, lol
-I xD
limber knotBOT
only ones with Xeon D-1520s though
cosmic raft
can't remember if SYS gives an IPv6 block though
limber knotBOT
iirc they don't advertise it but you can use it
at least that's who it works on my kimsufi server, lol
cosmic raft
anywhere other than OVH/SYS and Hetzner?
latent valve
Your home server 🤷
There prob some small one idk
golden gust
Reliable site, colocrossing
Rs is okay tbh, one of their main peers is kinda crappy though at times tbh
cosmic raft
downside is 48hr deployment time for all the nice ones :P
latent valve
but the price is 💸
limber knotBOT
I'm happy with my shitty hetzner vps
void void
latent valve
what u using it for?
cosmic raft
t h i n g s
limber knotBOT
advancing the kash empire?
cosmic raft
;)
cosmic raft
hmm
supple juniper
median crystal
Good night, I just saw that on PlayerInteractEvent, "isCancelled" is deprecated. What would be the new method to check if the method is cancelled or if it is called?
It's because I'm updating this code.
celest coyote
if you are already using it without issues, don't bother... also #paper-dev
void void
What's the link to optimize your server?
celest coyote
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
void void
Thank ya!
The optimization guide says to put water-animals to 3.. wouldn't that make them practically non-existent?
latent valve
they will exist just like bee
graceful osprey
eternal monolith
sharp sentinel
ancient bolt
everytime I have the time to work on shit I'm just too tired
is this what being an adult is like
void void
i feel that and yes
cosmic raft
my arm feels dead
void void
why
fallen oracle
Because he's an adult
cosmic raft
sharp sentinel
Oof, so firstly that’s a lot, secondly - why did a screenshot send from me here 🤔🤔🤔
I sent it in a PM to someone who asked if iOS still has both Bing and Yahoo, as Yahoo is powered by Bing
cosmic raft
no idea
void void
6 vials eh
cosmic raft
yes
fallen oracle
I noticed sending images is funky lately
If you have text in the same message as an image, when you send it, it will not make the text go away
So it'll send twice if you hit enter
void void
I thought that was a feature ^
sharp sentinel
Probably discord’s sharesheet integration being broken and sending it both to the last open channel, and the place you tell it to
fallen oracle
😥
sharp sentinel
Via sharesheet as well 😂
sharp sentinel
Yeah, its basically a place apps can provide a share system for so that you can share from anywhere
void void
Lmao. I just used give command to give myself an diamond axe and it gave me 64 diamond axes
XD
in one slot
Don't know if I want to call it a bug or a feature
celest coyote
well find out what plugin it is
void void
essentials does that @void void
you have to specify amount, if not it defaults to a stack
I see
I suspected it was Essentials
i believe /i exists, that usually gives 1 item
tame pendant
Wouldnt it make more sense to make it default to 1
serene bolt
probably, there's a config option (in essentialsX at least) to set the default amount to 1 if an amount is not specified
acoustic basin
spring fulcrum
shell vine
is there a limit
void void
this https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Server.properties implies a 59 char limit
but i feel like ive seen more
however (and maybe im a conspiracy theorist for this), after stripping colors, newlines. and trimming spaces in Hypixel's motd: https://f.jacob.engineer/7Ic5SipI.png
golden gust
the server list will likely report a communication error
That's not behavior I've ever seen or heardof?
cosmic raft
maximum json length of Short.MAX_VALUE
void void
i need to know generally how long and how many lines it can be, because for MCBanners we have an issue with the motd going off screen. Was going to wrap it, but I don't want it to be too long. And idk if I should just stick it on one line and truncate it.
oh really, so it can be that long
that's kinda stupid but alright
golden gust
nou
cosmic raft
including player count info and version info yes
void void
what
oh ok, well, I'm talking specifically the 'description' field of the motd, the message people see on the MC server list
golden gust
There is no real "limit" as such
The limit is really only on the length of the actual json response, as kash said
void void
hmm :/
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mfw more pixels than braincells
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cosmic raft
wat
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wat
celest coyote
wat
void void
wat
hard kernel
cat
dusk drift
mental oriole
hard kernel
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cloud olive
vestal jasper
@acoustic basin congrats, next up reverse the string after you lowercase it
input test123 = output 321tset
also use pastebin or similar next time
people don't like downloading random files people upload
void void
^
vestal jasper
considering how small the text was you prob could've gotten away with just pasting it into discord tbh
void void
make rest api bcrypt provider and ill send all my passwords to it for encryption /s
limber knotBOT
lmao so many metal covers of toss a coin to your witcher
golden gust
This sleeping thing is overrated
limber knotBOT
good morning poopl
limber knotBOT
ded morning it is then😂
void void
in other words, we wrote something, completely deleted it, then wrote over it again, at many different points
void void
fak u bitch
golden gust
nou
void void
limber knotBOT
pokes ^-^
void void
@golden gust why stop when i can now make things like this monstrosity https://api.mcbanners.com/banner/saved/WYYvLvQApabPjs.png
limber knotBOT
kill it before it spreads!
void void
or this, to make fun of city's 4 stars? https://api.mcbanners.com/banner/saved/XEQZDLyrqfjhBg.png
flat cypress
limber knotBOT
why is python syntax so unholy-ly ugly
void void
related: go to https://php.net and type this: "I hate PHP" and press enter.
Not into any input or anything. Just type.
limber knotBOT
lmao
void void
i somehow broke php and this seems to be a php shell? https://f.jacob.engineer/tK2AsPKW.png
or not? idk wtf this is o.o
oh its a help menu disgusting
limber knotBOT
haha noob
woven otter
nerd
limber knotBOT
duck
woven otter
nerd but upside down
limber knotBOT
nerd but also a duck
woven otter
🤓
quasi valley
woven otter
🙃
woven otter
do winters exist in 2020 tho
limber knotBOT
I'd rather be in 60c weather than 0c weather
only in a few places on earth, but when it's there, it really is there
I don't think I'm gonna see snow this year (let that be this or next winter) lol
we never get snow here
literally the last time it snowed in this city was about 60 years ago
noice
or rather not noice
20c should be the minimum temp
the new absolute 0
merry talon
I'd rather be in 60c weather than 0c weather
limber knotBOT
vote for me and I'll make sure I warm the planet to a min of 20c
wide chasm
I'm not gonna vote for you, 17c is a nice temperature.
limber knotBOT
I'll vote for stef's one
if you vote for me I'll put everyone who thinks temps below 20c are fine into an oven
wide chasm
I'll put you in a fridge
zealous knot
kaaskopp
woven otter
have you considered wearing clothes that are appropriate for the current weather?
limber knotBOT
magma probably runs around naked
zealous knot
who's magma lol
limber knotBOT
a naked golden god
void void
a dumass
zealous knot
@magma
limber knotBOT
well then I'd rather never have 20°C ever again
zealous knot
ok
woven otter
imagine being magma
limber knotBOT
you wish
that's copyrighted
yeah imagine having a fake beard
pay magma royalties for imagining that
and know your place
woven otter
imagine wishing to be magma
limber knotBOT
also copyrighted
woven otter
glad it is. that level of dum should indeed be copyrighted.
limber knotBOT
fuck just laughed so hard I spat all over my desk
cedar spade
ew
limber knotBOT
ew or oooh~ though?
cedar spade
ew
limber knotBOT
hater
cedar spade
yes
limber knotBOT
I still love you though
cedar spade
I don't
golden gust
owo
cedar spade
what did you just say about my great-great-uncle
limber knotBOT
a playboy bunny?
eternal acorn
cedar spade
A tortilla
vestal jasper
If only I could block irc users on discord
regal flame
vestal jasper
:^)
zealous knot
same
void void
surreal turret
limber knotBOT
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void void
slim glen
limber knotBOT
dont really like the walking beat
serene sinew
!flags
distant crane
Good afternoon
I'd like to be able to hold at least 40-50 players on 1.15 with a 20tps. Open to all suggetions please
limber knotBOT
what are you running this on
For starters, don't use 17gb ram and don't use java 8
distant crane
What should i use?
limber knotBOT
bat se moar ram se betta?
and get a better randomtp plugin (that uses paper's async methods)
wait that's already phoenix
why is that so high
distant crane
I Was thinking that..
distant crane
Here's my startup line. I need at least 12GB of ram tho
java -Xmx17G -Xms17G -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+DisableExplicitGC -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=45 -XX:TargetSurvivorRatio=90 -XX:G1NewSizePercent=50 -XX:G1MaxNewSizePercent=80 -XX:InitiatingHeapOccupancyPercent=10 -XX:G1MixedGCLiveThresholdPercent=50 -XX:+AggressiveOpts -Dfml.readTimeout=90 -jar $spigot
limber knotBOT
why do you need it?
distant crane
It was suggested about 3-4 years ago
limber knotBOT
dont need that much
well now you have recent suggestions from not 5 years ago :D
only need 2gb max
anything more it just lets the system leak
distant crane
Uh, i have 140 plugins with 7 worlds+
limber knotBOT
or gives a leaky plugin more memeory to use up in the event of a leak
well that wont be good
distant crane
All towny servers use around 8GB+ of ram
limber knotBOT
the more you allocate the less the gc will roll
and the more lag it'll produce when it actually happens
^^
Bascially more memory is bad for servers
distant crane
Alright, I'll lower it to 10 to see how that goes first.
distant crane
Towny server's always have around 100 plugins
limber knotBOT
If you have that many worlds, why don't you just split your servers?
No
they really dont
Not if you have a decent developer
we have 15 on a SkyPvP server and like 5 on the proxy lmao
Like, instead of one with 17gb, run two servers with 8
And split your world
S
distant crane
I Could but towny commands wouldn't work.
distant crane
Kinda of yes. That's how people tp before worlds.
Apart from the ram, How can i increase my tps? With the current setup i could hold 80-110 players on 1.12 with 18-20tps
limber knotBOT
mobmergers, tweaking the paper configuration, sane plugins using paper api, sane plugins in general
distant crane
The main lag is coming from chunks on 1.15? On my timings are pretty much chunks.
i did --force world update on 1.13 and then updated to 1.14 and then 1.15 (Just by putting the jar inside the server)
that's all correct?
Would the chunk lag be caused by the SSD?
limber knotBOT
17GB memory is a but much
KennyTV: he uses the old version without async teleport api support xD
ah alright, thought so :p
you should really update the Randomteleport plugin...
cosmic raft
limber knotBOT
v1 is ugly and broken
distant crane
Alright, I'll update that to the latest, But surely that would only cause the tps to drop upon someone doing /rtp
and not cause a constant low tps about 20 people?
limber knotBOT
10% minecart ticks wat
you don't have constant low tps
there are clear lag spikes in your timings
also: Slimefun is one of those not-sane plugins, lol
distant crane
Is there anything else apart from /rtp that i should get updated/removed?
distant crane
Uh, is there is a specific 'item' in slimefun causing lag? I Usually try to disable most of the laggy stuff in slimefun
limber knotBOT
and PlugMan
distant crane
Plugman is only used when needed, shouldn't really cause lag when its unused
limber knotBOT
SlimeFun in generel has lots of issues that go beyond performance (e.g. code quality)
PlugMan is never needed
at least not on a production server I guess
at least I wouldn't risk a crash/corruption when I could just restart, lol
distant crane
I've been using it since i opened and always unload live plugins to update them
not the big ones tho 😛 Just little ones.
limber knotBOT
yes, please stop that
good way to screw your server
why do you use both, DeluxeChat and EssentialsChat? 
distant crane
So, Shall i get rid of clear lag? If i'm being honest i dont think it's worked since 1.12 😆
limber knotBOT
yes
Dont need it
yes, clearlag will only hide actual problems, not solve them
e.g. if it removes all mobs -> server will instantly spawn (too many) again -> removes mobs again etc.
^^ kind of defeates the purpose
distant crane
Oh, I use farm limiter for mobs.
limber knotBOT
Optimization goes a long way as well
basically you want to modify your spawn limits
(if you ahve mob issues)
distant crane
there limited to 25 per player.
my configs are pretty much optimised for 100 players
limber knotBOT
so 25 in 1.14/1.15 xD
distant crane
So
- Remove Clear
- Update /RTP
- Remove
That was changed down as soon as i updated to 1.15 because of the huge mob counts.
limber knotBOT
no I mean optimized for 25 players in 1.15
distant crane
yea
limber knotBOT
lower your memory too and only increase it if you are 100% sure that memory is your issue and you cant find the leak
distant crane
Yea, I'll lower it to 12GB to see how the server players. It only went that high because i used to have 100 players online all the time
limber knotBOT
test with something like 6GB or 8GB
also the easiest solution might be to just move your different worlds onto different servers if their population is kidna equal normally
Also turn the rain off in your spawn
(if you want to ever be able to support 100 players again xD)
wat
"/gamerule doweathercycle false
why? xD
Makes people with slower pcs a bit more lagy
also wet
lol
screw those poopl
Nuuu
just disable it in the client?
Where do you disable itr
is it under the graphic settings
no idea
particles or something
void void
tame pendant
.flags
limber knotBOT
Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs
limber knotBOT
Whats the issue
long bay
Shulker boxes content clear
limber knotBOT
you need to provide some more informatin than that
long bay
The content of my shulker boxes clear alone
limber knotBOT
that's not more information...
austere violet
long bay
@latent valve nothing won't change the shulker boxes
latent valve
🤦♀️ when the shulker reverse did u have any plugin?
Version?
long bay
Paper 1.14.4 build 234
limber knotBOT
I knew that OldCombatMechanics was quite a hack, but holy moly is it a turd
shadow scaffold
grizzled panther
latent valve
yes
limber knotBOT
well, you cant tomorrow
limber knotBOT
we got laws against that :D
wide chasm
lol
limber knotBOT
glad to see poor souls working there lol
wide chasm
In retail you get paid double for working on weekends here though
limber knotBOT
I mean, they could just go work elsewhere if they dont want
runs
Capitalism works!
runs faster
shoots mini with an arror
s/arror/arrow
Correction, * KennyTV shoots mini with an arrow
wide chasm
Usually these stores hire 15-18 year olds and they can just say "I can (and want to) work on these days from this time to that time". It's not like you can't not work on Sunday if you don't want to.
cosmic raft
yes i can mini lol
limber knotBOT
its interesting that while murica is way more religious than germany, they still dont follow even the first chapter of the bible
smh
for the 10000th time, i am not in the US
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I know kash, but NA and US is the same for me
go migrate to another continent if you dont like that :P
lmao
:D
Oo electroniccat pulled out the internet wire
Oof
(kashike) The Visits of Stan Zbornak - length 5m 31s - 3,960 likes, 90 dislikes (97.8%) - 515,328 views - Serse1000 on 2012.07.18
Idk what's going on lmao
just a netsplit
hugs a landmine
nothing happens
it means we're all gonna die
I wish Netflix had a way to bump something off of the giant panel on the homepage
the recommended thing
I wish netflix didn't remove the proper rating system 👀
keep dreaming
wide chasm
Netflix on my tablet hasn't updated so I can still give it a 5-star rating instead of like/dislike.
upbeat otter
outer hornet
solar oak
limber knotBOT
I sthere any documentation that lists each of the settings for the paper configuration
have you tried google
Do you not think it ried that before asking in here
s/it ried/ i tried
Correction, <Vertanzil> Do you not think ** i tried** that before asking in here
no, you're fucking retarded
so of course you haven't
.g paper config
pulsar wigeon
.g paper config
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://paper.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/configuration.html -- Configuration — PaperDocs 1.14.4 documentation: "Last updated November 24th 2019 for MC 1.14.4, Paper build #230 ... description: Sets whether the server should dump all configuration values to the..."
pulsar wigeon
wow fucking imagine that
limber knotBOT
Oh fuck off wiz
I love you
do you want to be banned again
Oh no Stalin is angry
inland karma
limber knotBOT
someone needs a hug
void void
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/
remote sparrow
sometimes i wish of writing an entire port of the minecraft server protocol in golang
limber knotBOT
hi guys, i have set up some python, that announces my server on the local LAN. its basically sending a broadcast every 1.5 seconds. it works on my linux, but on some of the windows machines the server did not show up. any ideas on what is happening here?
i shamelessly copied this: http://void7.net/advertising-linux-minecraft-servers-to-the-lan/
halcyon plover
distant crane
I need some help https://timings.aikar.co/?id=d0f5462f8cb841318c916c77330bf087
limber knotBOT
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fossil ingot
distant crane
https://i.gyazo.com/100a9da4a02e052ecc5cf8eb0d4c4775.png
https://timings.aikar.co/?id=c88dedb8a19c4928ad285e376bd21765
Why so much chunk/world lag
the red mountains are scary
left pier
distant crane
Oh the Paper gods! Please help and wave a wand and bring me back to 1.12 performance - at least
misty tundra
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Spotify Artist: Super Mario 64, followers: 9599, genres: ****
uuuf
why does maven central require signing stuff?
thats such a hassle
vestal jasper
🌮
void void
fresh talon
what discord bridges are you guys using? slack? matrix?
brisk linden
limber knotBOT
have you guys tried dragonproxy out?
void void
long time ago, yes
limber knotBOT
does it work well?
not well enough to properly play the game last time I checked
ViaVersion and ProtocolSupport also have attempts at providing bedrock support btw
do you know of a similar project that works well?
quasi valley
Via didn’t attempt that, only PS did/is doing
But I think that’s done privately as of now
limber knotBOT
ok, thanks, trying geyser out right now
honest estuary
main rapids
limber knotBOT
managed to log into geyser while running in offline mode. but i only saw clouds and zombies. no blocks whatsoever, so i guess its not completed yet. it also stated version was 1.14.x
upper flicker
@
remote sparrow
lol the server i work for still running 1.8.8
fair cosmos
I did a poll on my server, most people are waiting for optifine
unique orchid
o p t i f i n e
fair cosmos
using the current version will be fine right?
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explosion in the chat
opaque crag
I love paper; forcing people to use the latest mc versions (Which they should use latest version imo)
void void
awww no 1.14.4? :(
granite salmon
Woo
worn pasture
dont be sorry for pinging Z, he just pinged all of us!
tropic flame
rip paper 1.13.2
opaque crag
cant stand people who want top stay on 1.8 lmao
golden gust
forcing people to use the latest mc versions
coarse venture
lol
granite salmon
THE SHOCK
opaque crag
poor choice of words
golden gust
Yea, coz that stops the peopme on 1.8.8
remote sparrow
EOL just means no more updates
fair cosmos
gotcha
rough crane
Deprecating 1.14.4? Good idea. I like it.
coarse venture
Nobody makes you upgrade, just when you ask a question you get told "nO UpGrAdE
stuck vault
wow, they axed 1.13 and 1.14 so fast
coarse urchin
F
remote sparrow
not that it's deprecated
fair cosmos
i just wanted to make sure i had no issues using 1.14 going forward for now
granite salmon
Why nit
tropic flame
EOL just means more shady paid forks on MC-Market!!!1
coarse venture
finally, a community that doesn't linger for 10 yaers..
rough crane
People are either using 1.8 or the latest version anyway.
coarse venture
@tropic flame only idiots pay for that shit. let them, life lesson incoming 😄
pseudo haven
with only around 2,000 users left it doesn't make sense for the project to continue supporting it.
wtf? how do only 2,000 servers use 1.13.2? you literally can't run more than 40 players on 1.15
opaque crag
W h a t
pseudo haven
1.13 is used by like nobody
bullshit
granite salmon
Bro
tropic flame
@coarse venture true, but whenever I find someone asking for support with a fork like those I just want to facepalm
granite salmon
there are stats
coarse venture
spigot is also dropping 1.13.2 support, so nothing new here folks, and with 1.14 being as shit as it is, nothing wrong with inviting ppl to upgrade 🙂
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do you realise how bad 1.13 performs
upper flicker
spigot has dropped all support for these older versions long ago
granite salmon
And it is in the announcement
upper flicker
you got more from us
coarse venture
@tropic flame i dont go to scam sites anyway 🙂
twin lagoon
1.13 is pretty bad
upper flicker
now you won't
granite salmon
si i call your bullshit.. bullshit
static badge
anyone on it just moved because they already were fine with the perf being shit
opaque crag
people should update anyways
viral hornet
please stop forcing me to use the latest 
tropic flame
me neither @coarse venture LMAO 😉
coarse venture
@viral hornet they're not: you can continue to use it, it's just if you ask support you get told support is for latest.
pseudo haven
i can't think of a single large server (100+ players) which has upgraded to 1.15
anyway please don't interpret this as me dissing the devs. it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT. i'm more baffled by the server owners.
coarse venture
ok, well, we had our minute of drama, back to the real world, bye
remote lance
waxen panther
cya floris
twin lagoon
any pure survival server with 100+ players
waxen panther
twin lagoon
is probably 1.15
coarse venture
granite salmon
I’m more baffled by players
rough crane
I'm a 1.15 server owner and while I agree performance is terrible, staying behind forever is not a solution
tropic flame
lmao if y'all want 1.13.2 support so much then Forge is still doing it, make your own forge mods and replace paper /s
pseudo haven
literally nobody is asking for more 1.13.2 support
tropic flame
... ok ,let me rephrase then
lmao if y'all want 1.14.4 support so much then Forge is still doing it, make your own forge mods and replace paper /s
granite salmon
Imagine using outdated softwre
tropic flame
there @pseudo haven
viral hornet
bUt pVp
median crystal
Could someone explain me how beneficial is to fill the world with WorldBorder?
opaque crag
I find this a false statement probably got bad plugins
twin lagoon
highly
opaque crag
Darth
granite salmon
new software has pvp as well u know
waxen panther
didnt even realise paper was still updating for 1.13 tbh, i think its kind they've gone this long
void void
1.15 is pretty good
opaque crag
he explained faster than me lol ^
rough crane
@median crystal very very beneficial since generating new chunks is pretty much like generating lag
viral hornet
If you fill the worldborder you'll prevent players doing the first chunk generation, and affect your TPS horribly, @median crystal
pseudo haven
i'm going to wait for the next update which is on par with 1.13.2 performance before upgrading
opaque crag
its better to read from disk rather than write then read
pseudo haven
which won't be 1.16 kek
opaque crag
faster*
twin lagoon
1.13.2 wasn't even good performance-wise
coarse venture
@pseudo haven lol, nonsense.
twin lagoon
how many players do you have?
waxen panther
1.15 really isnt that bad compared to 1.13 lol
pseudo haven
what is nonsense?
waxen panther
performance has been bad since 1.13 and up
twin lagoon
^
pseudo haven
100+ players with a server with 90 plugins
waxen panther
im not agreeing with u
coarse venture
saying it's worth waiting for the next upgrade as it will be like 1.13 .. common now, you can't know, and it probbly wont be any diff than 1.15 😄
void void
1.13.2 is terrible
1.15.1 is better in almost every instance I've tested
waxen panther
if you manage your plugins and you server well, you can have a 100 server on 1.15
upper flicker
wouldnt expect any one major performance update
pseudo haven
really? i thought the consensus was 1.13 > 1.15
waxen panther
no...
rough crane
(which cpu @pseudo haven, I'm curious?)
upper flicker
mojang seems to expect it to be many small jumps eventually getting back
but who knows
golden gust
I hold more faith in the leaf than in mojang
pseudo haven
@rough crane i7 4790k
rough crane
(100 sounds like a lot, even for 1.13)
pseudo haven
will the leaf's performance patches save 1.15
twin lagoon
100 is a lot for 1.13 even
void void
1.8 is still the best for performance
opaque crag
im out
pseudo haven
unironically using 1.8
pseudo haven
cringe
waxen panther
ah yeah lemme just run my minecraft beta 9 server for maximum tps
pseudo haven
let me disable timings for maximum tps
twin lagoon
i mean, sure?
doesn't hurt anyone disabling timings
we don't have them on 24/7 aswell
pseudo haven
t. craftimize
void void
You can dump a lot of load on 1.8. There's a reason most big servers run it
twin lagoon
craftimize 
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anyone remember the long hash table that cb uses for the chunkmap in beta 1.7.3
god tier performance that one is
pseudo haven
topkek
void void
You can't avoid the truth. Most big servers run 1.8.8
pseudo haven
most cringe servers
twin lagoon
most competitive pvp servers*
waxen panther
same thing
twin lagoon
1.8 is a minority
pseudo haven
the ""competitive pvp"" community is cancer
twin lagoon
think most of us can agree with that
waxen panther
I havent seen a single server i enjoy other than minigame servers running 1.8
pseudo haven
hypixel is hypixel
twin lagoon
doesn't mean they're bigger than every other server combined
fresh talon
does anybody know a 1.15.1 server plugin that provides custom music discs ?
twin lagoon
it's called a resourcepack & replacing existing music dics
fresh talon
that's not server side though
tropic flame
Most big servers run hMod and that's FAXX
twin lagoon
yeah i don't expect them to run 1.8
fresh talon
no, there used to be a plugin for an older version that had this exact feature
waxen panther
untrue
void void
Good prison servers 1.8
Good factions servers 1.8
Good pvp servers in general 1.8
Good skyblock servers still support 1.8 but are usually using hacky ways of letting newer clients use new blocks
dusk drift
1.12 is the most stable thing ever
twin lagoon
"prison"
"factions"
"pvp"
you've just called 3 horrible gamemodes that are still the minority
thank you
void void
Prison isn't a pvp oriented mode
tropic flame
God we literally still have people defending 1.8
dusk drift
Its not PvE
waxen panther
playing minecraft 1.8 is a horrible experience, people that play it think they're some kinda elitists for using old things lol
stuck vault
does anyone know how unoptimized 1.15.1 is and what mojang could do to increase optimisation further?
dusk drift
its more PvP and has elements of pvp in it
twin lagoon
if you have less than 50 players just upgrade to 1.15.1
void void
Most prison servers I've played on have 0 pvp
sinful gust
yeah just upgrade and break forge support
what kind of idiot runs minecraft with 0 mods
maybe babies
just getting into mc
and 12 year olds
once you go modded you can never go back
fresh talon
-.-
void void
The truth is if you're making any good sevrer except like survival or maybe skyblock and a couple other modes
You're
Running
1.8
twin lagoon
no
fresh talon
high quality posting
waxen panther
"Sent in the papermc discord"
sand vale
We used to run a 0-plugin spigot server as "vanilla"
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this chat
tropic flame
Imma give my 2 cents. When I finally got my premium account after years of using a cracked launcher I got pretty interested in the unique gamemodes that online-mode servers offered.
Those generic gamemodes are easy to set up and any server could have one running in minutes lmao
dusk drift
Leaf, save us
tropic flame
1.8 sucks
sharp sentinel
If you want support from plugin developers, use the latest version
twin lagoon
@sinful gust i'd agree if i didn't have to wait 10 minutes for a modpack to launch
sinful gust
get a better pc
sharp sentinel
A vast majority of plugins don’t support 1.8 anymore, due to it being literally archaic
twin lagoon
i have a 3700x & ssd-only storage
dusk drift
Its defo not about ur PC lmfao
sand vale
hey, so, is the announcements channel blank for everyone else?
dusk drift
No
twin lagoon
it's because of the amount of traffic
waxen panther
fine for me
twin lagoon
discord does that sometimes
waxen panther
i can dm you the announcement if you cant get to it aesix
sand vale
@waxen panther pls :)
twin lagoon
the point is
void void
@fresh talon the music plugin is called Jukebox
fresh talon
I'll upgrade to the new Nvidia 4096X ASAP, thanks! @sinful gust
upper flicker
discord is bae, its on the forums here as well https://papermc.io/forums/t/end-of-life-announcement-for-1-13-2-and-1-14-4/2426
twin lagoon
no one cares about 1.8 here
sharp sentinel
The plugins are available, but the devs don’t support them
upper flicker
otherwise the tl;dr is we're getting rid of 1.13.2 and 1.14.4 support
sinful gust
plenty of people care about 1.8
upper flicker
two weeks until we stop
upper flicker
as always people can keep using them as long as they want, we just don't need to keep hand holding them until the end of eternity
yeah its always fun
sharp sentinel
I know the devs of most of the big plugins, and almost all of them don’t support 1.8
void void
Personally I wish some server software would support 1.8 still
upper flicker
especially since spigot has long since dropped both of them
dusk drift
1.13 has almost no one on it and 1.14 is just shit 1.15
twin lagoon
why would anyone sane voluntarily work on something that hasn't been worked on for 5 years
tropic flame
Lmao Me4502, they look at EssentialsX and LuckPerms and then generalize by saying all the other plug-ins also support 1.8
People be dumb because they want to
sand vale
LuckPerms supports 1.8, afaik, because it was trivial
sharp sentinel
Yeah, the permissions API hasn’t changed
void void
All the plugins I've seen that don't support 1.8 are crap
upper flicker
lol
twin lagoon
ok boomer
upper flicker
where did you come from
void void
Dm me 3 good plugins that don't support 1.8
tropic flame
Lmao we could literally call these people boomers really
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are we arguing about 1.8
sharp sentinel
WorldEdit, WorldGuard
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because we're dropping 1.13/1.14?
upper flicker
they pretty much are boomers yeah
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boys
void void
There are many good new plugins out there
upper flicker
lets just clean out the trash here
sand vale
I'm not a boomer. Not that old damnit. Gen X-er.
void void
golden gust
I mean, they did say good
upper flicker
if youre gonna stay dont say stupid shit like
"[6:40 PM] IcanLevitate // SpigotEssentials: All the plugins I've seen that don't support 1.8 are crap"
fresh talon
thanks @void void
upper flicker
otherwise, youll get tossed again
median crystal
Why is chunk generation so heavy since Minecraft 1.14?
twin lagoon
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taking out the trash
golden gust
Chunk generation has always been heavy
median crystal
Like what did Mojang change?
golden gust
1.13 is where the relevant gen changes for performance occured
viral hornet
@sharp sentinel Mock meat?
https://i.imgur.com/uInR0HS.png
sand vale
hey Z, I know we had our differences years ago. I've gotten over being that level of stupid. Pls no ban :( :)
golden gust
beyond that, it's mostly just 1.14's chunk system in general
median crystal
What changed in 1.13?
stuck vault
does anyone know how unoptimized 1.15.1 is and what mojang could do to increase optimisation further?
sharp sentinel
Camm - can’t eat that, but I’ll keep it to the tacos channel
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getting not dumb is pretty impossible 
viral hornet
I can't comment in the taco's channel
fair cosmos
@stuck vault think 1.14.4 but slightly better
viral hornet
Because I'm a "dumb taco hater" 😦
sharp sentinel
Oof why
sand vale
Hey, you should look at Bender bot... he does taco based RPG :D
sharp sentinel
Oh no
pulsar wigeon
imagine hating tacos
cosmic raft
ugh my arm still hurts from yesterday
upper flicker
and its done manually, so its not like there's false positives
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you can leave and rejoin to get rid of it
golden gust
Just get somebody to punch the other arm, kash
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do it enough and they'll stop adding it "as it's a pain"
void void
Imagine never trying a Taco
Cough cough me
stuck vault
@fair cosmos 1.14.4 is more unoptimised than 1.15.1?
sand vale
If I had to say there was only one thing good that has come from Mexico... it'd have to say it's Tiajuana donky sh... I mean tacos.
fair cosmos
no, it's more optimized
golden gust
Never actually bought tacos, tbh
void void
same
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for once mojang didn't make the newer version perform worse
twin lagoon
never had tacos
golden gust
I made some myself while I was on keto, though :3
twin lagoon
stuck vault
why tho
peak dirge
Wait, people are still bitching about 1.8?!?
sand vale
keto tacos? how?
viral hornet
How did you go on Keto, cat?
golden gust
you mean, how did I cope?
peak dirge
I am not suprised
viral hornet
How did it work for you/your weight-loss/mood?
golden gust
Oh, alternative shell, basically
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like a seashell?
sand vale
I've done keto with alternate day fasting - lost 40 lbs
sharp sentinel
I know someone who did keto, and they ordered a pizza without the base
peak dirge
Meanwhile, development version of Velocity has 1.7 support lol
pulsar wigeon
wrapping meat in lettuce is like a staple of korean culinary habits
golden gust
Heck, theres literally a recipe to make the shells out of cheese, kinda wish I had the capacity to do that one still, lol
viral hornet
I can't even react anymore, Me4502, but not being able to eat those is gonna make it hard being vego
void void
we need a new dimension in MC. I head one of the Aether developers was hired by Mojang
sharp sentinel
I’ve been partially vego for 2 years so I’m used to it 😛
golden gust
But, weight loss was great, and I honestly just always felt kinda buzzed on it
viral hornet
Are you still doing it? Or did you regain weight when you stopped?
peak dirge
And I work on a beta 1.7.3 server software lol
golden gust
Tbh, in part, cutting out all the crap from your diet helps a lot, I kinda naturally went into one meal a day on keto
sharp sentinel
Minecraft doesn’t need more dimensions, it needs the dimensions to be fleshed out more
Even with the new stuff the end is super boring
golden gust
And no, I basically stopped for various reasons, e.g. living with a muslim kinda makes stuff more fun, ontop of my general health, I really don't got the energy
sharp sentinel
They’re working on the nether soon though
pulsar wigeon
i mean, they're doing a nether update yea
peak dirge
I agree. And also more performance fixes
golden gust
I do wanna start back up on it in the future though \o/
sand vale
I've come up with my own crustless pizza... basically, just bake cheese on a silicon baking mat until it bubbles and hardens... flip it over (use a second baking mat), then sprinkle "zesty spaghetti sauce" dry mix (McCormiks') and add any pizza toppings you want... I suggest pineapple. Also, I suggest using shredded taco blend cheese.
viral hornet
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is that how amd's new chips are being made wat
golden gust
You can make keto friendly bases, btw; Just, my experience of keto friendly stuff like that is :L
I tried making microwave mug cake
cosmic raft
golden gust
never doing that again
viral hornet
I tried keto, but it was too fatty for my liking and not enough greens and stuff lol
- it shot my mood
sand vale
electroniccat... try my recipe above. It takes some patience, but it's wellll worth it
golden gust
adaptation is a total bitch
golden gust
Like, I basically gave up tryna get into it twice because it just wore me out too much, tryna do that around exam season was also not a great idea lol
viral hornet
What is that in normal weight
sand vale
I was down to 270 before Christmas... back to 288 now. Damned holidays.
cosmic raft
how do I lose weight without changing my diet 
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cut off your legs
viral hornet
Workout a shit tonne
sand vale
@cosmic raft liposuction?
golden gust
run fatty run
void void
LMAO, my essentials plugin went berserk:
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:32 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:32 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:32 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:32 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:32 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:33 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
[Sat, 11. Jan 2020 16:47:33 PST WARN] Essentials userMap not initialized
400 these warnings XD
cosmic raft
yikes
sharp sentinel
How do I gain weight without changing my diet 👀
sand vale
I suggest neither
golden gust
eat meat
sand vale
uhhh... just never move from your computer
viral hornet
lots of protein powder and gym me
sand vale
heh
sand vale
... s/c/s
cosmic raft
you're a vegetarian @sharp sentinel ?
sharp sentinel
Mostly
cosmic raft
mostly?
sharp sentinel
I have some allergies that make it almost impossible
sharp sentinel
So I eat small amounts of chicken to get some nutrients
I’m allergic to isoflavones and lignans
Two of the bases of plant proteins
viral hornet
What reaction do you get?
golden gust
side effects may include death
sharp sentinel
Very similar to what celiac people get when they eat gluten
acoustic pilot
sup nerds
sand vale
I eat a high amount of protein and fats, supplimented with leafy greens (lettuce, collards, kale, etc), and eat little in the way of processed and high-carb foods. Weight loss and glucose management
cosmic raft
@golden gust my favourite is when they do "May cause death or severe injury"
like, why that order of wording
golden gust
😄
acoustic pilot
good luck being veg or vegan if you can't eat soy
it's the next most bioavailable source of protein next to meats
sand vale
because if "death" is the last word, psychologically it has a heavier meaning
golden gust
I mean, that just reminds me of the comedy of anti-depressants
viral hornet
Why don't you eat meat, me4502?
Is it an ethical choice, or are you just grossed out by it? orr
golden gust
warning, this medication might induce anxiety attacks or feelings of self harm
g fuckin' g
viral hornet
let me just take some more anti-depressants to offset that
sharp sentinel
Ethical choice
cosmic raft
the antidepressants I have make me sick if I take the dose I should be taking lol
acoustic pilot
go through the list of foods in the DIAAS score and find the highest protein food you can actually eat on there
sand vale
My niece was on anti-seizure medications... which "may cause seizures"
I face desked so hard when I read that. Got a Dr's appointment the next day.
sharp sentinel
Mushrooms are by far the highest protein containing source that I can eat
viral hornet
- mushrooms are delicious
cosmic raft
I hate mushrooms
sand vale
mushrooms are yum
viral hornet
WHAT
cosmic raft
they taste like ass
acoustic pilot
if you're a lacto-ovo-vegetarian, looks like milk based protein is good option for you
golden gust
not a huge fan of mushrooms, tbh
golden gust
I can kinda tolerate them, but I wouldn't ever add it to something I was cooking myself
viral hornet
I could (...well do) eat so many of them
cosmic raft
I'd rather eat lego
sand vale
stuffed with rice, sausage and tomatoes. Mmmm mmm
viral hornet
yessss
limber knotBOT
.onions
viral hornet
Or baked with soy sauce and garlic 🤤
limber knotBOT
.addcmd onions http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=onions
sand vale
legos might have a high concentration of various microbial proteins... >_>
sharp sentinel
Yeah I’ve been to a dietitian about it so I’m in a position where I can live fine
golden gust
I just had to
sharp sentinel
Not gonna drop dead of malnutrition anytime soon 😛
sand vale
That's great Me!
golden gust
awh
sand vale
Taking care of yourself is always good :)
viral hornet
Do you like... never eat out of home, me4502? I imagine getting dinner out / takeaway would be a bitch
golden gust
My one irk with keto:
sand vale
Camm, it's honestly not as bad as you'd think
golden gust
Mother fuckin' fried chicken
acoustic pilot
mushrooms aren't a particularly good source of protein so if that's the highest protein food you can eat, your diet prob isn't sustainable and requires some sort of other non-compatible protein source
sand vale
cat - cauliflower breaded chicken :D
sharp sentinel
When I eat out I get chicken because I can’t survive on just mushrooms from what I’ve found
golden gust
I can do it without knocking outta keto, but, I always feel kinda guilty 😄
sharp sentinel
But otherwise I get mushroom burgers, etc
acoustic pilot
nope you can't, you're probably already not getting as much protein as you should as it is
viral hornet
Have you ever had grill'ds mushroom burger?
sharp sentinel
Their old one?
hollow igloo
If I quickly submit some PRs for 1.13.2, will they still be merged? They're just backports of the alternative item despawn rates and Chunk.getEntities() optimisation patches.
sharp sentinel
Their new one is a mushroom lentil mix AFAIK
acoustic pilot
and definitely would avoid the mock meats (like, dont make them an everyday food)
it's highly processed food
sharp sentinel
Their old one was great
viral hornet
Yeah, their old one
grim prairie
viral hornet
I wasn't aware they changed it :<