general

[void void]

would you pay someone $100 to redo your house floors?

no?

[limber knot]

I'll redo your house floors for $10

[void void]

why would you pay $100 for someone to spend a week or two, possibly a month, to develop a server suite

[limber knot]

I have this guy that sells really cheap straw

[void void]

I don't think I am really making a server network in a sense.

Just one server.

[golden gust]

Especially for plugins which will literally be part of the core of your server, you don't wanna pay some simple kid to make it, only for it to break in a few months and nobody wants to maintain it

[void void]

gets moldy floors pre-infested with cockroaches

"well, i did it for $10."

"here u go!"

Hm.

[limber knot]

hope you like dirt floors

it's very retro

[void void]

Who are some recommendations.

Regarding Devs in this server?

[limber knot]

my rec would be pick something less insane

[golden gust]

entities that do things are also "fun", because there is literally 0 way to do that without version specific code; Citizens plugin can help there, but that introduces its own set of fun

[limber knot]

than a whole gamemode that requires a full conversion of the base game

[peak dirge]

most of the developers here are busy doing their own stuff

[void void]

Oh okay.

[peak dirge]

i.e. I'm in college and also work for another server (with a practically 65% custom stack)

[void void]

Yeah.

Do you have any recommendations though?

So once they are avaliable I can hire them?

[golden gust]

Most of the people here are devs themselves

[void void]

most people who who /chat often/ are good devs, there are some i wouldn't even approach but not many

[peak dirge]

Be realistic. You're not going to make an RTS for really cheap. It'll either be lots of time or lots of money.

[golden gust]

Beyond tryna recommend a friend kinda thing, not too many people here actually have hired other devs

[void void]

here who*

[golden gust]

I woulda hire another dev as I've seen Tux's code

runs

jk ily ❤

[void void]

So you think that this would cost beyond 1k?

I mean I can do it.

yes

[dusk drift]

Yes

[peak dirge]

Yes.

[void void]

for good work, yes

If I really was wrong about this, I'll admit that.

I just felt like it could be developed around 100-500.

Especially when the developers of both of those servers that created the RTS charged around 100-320.

lol

[peak dirge]

The 14-year-old hawking "free vouch plugins" on Spigot will take the money and deliver the worst possible product.

[void void]

No.

I would never hire a 14 year old.

[limber knot]

there's two categories of people on the internet

[golden gust]

Such as a large proportion of this dev community

[limber knot]

14 year olds

and dogs

[golden gust]

*is

lol

[void void]

14 year olds make up most of the mc dev market

i s2g

[dusk drift]

woof

[void void]

Wow, did not know that.

they're all fucking 14

i swear

I'm too new tbh.

I need more experience.

[dusk drift]

I hate McM people

[void void]

yeah, avoid mcm if you dont want 14 year olds

I expected people who were in college, that do Developing for a side hussle.

almost that entire community are 14

No, I heard spigot was a good place.

[peak dirge]

mcm is full of hackforums-type people anyway

[void void]

almost all of spigot are 14-16

or was I wrong too?

[peak dirge]

I'd stay clear entirely

[void void]

I tbh turned to paper since I heard good stuff about them.

[limber knot]

there's a few college aged people doing commission work

[void void]

Who?

[limber knot]

I'm one, or was before I closed my commissions lol

[golden gust]

What you've gotta remember is that you're not only expecting a plugin that does Y, you're also going to want a plugin which you can expand outwards to your needs, e.g. some form of scripting or system to let you define stuff; Which in and of itself is hefty, hardcoding behaviors would be cheaper and faster, but that would just hurt you in the long run

[peak dirge]

you'd have to look around

[void void]

Oh.

[golden gust]

I know that there are a few minions type plugins out there on spigots site if that's what you're after

[void void]

I honestly browsed for a long time.

[peak dirge]

I'm college-aged too, and I can't commission at all at this point

[void void]

Tbh, I don't have what it takes to be a Dev.

also college aged, but dont have time

[peak dirge]

Not with 17 credit hours and being in the honors program

[void void]

So I would rather hire people.

[dusk drift]

What is college age

[golden gust]

Jesus, that microwars one

[limber knot]

I closed the commissions because it got to the point where I was losing money doing them

[void void]

18-21.

[limber knot]

even for $500+

[void void]

I think.

22

lol im 22

[peak dirge]

18-23 or so.

[golden gust]

So, not only do you gotta have a dev, you gotta have somebody who hates themselves enough to throw together armor stand stuff

[dusk drift]

I thought it was 16-20~

[void void]

Hm.

[dusk drift]

you start college here at 16

[void void]

I already heard about that.

i didnt get out of HS until 18

but I am willing to use NPC's/entities instead of armor stand stuff.

[limber knot]

mind you you can be in college for a long time

[void void]

I'm not too into Micro figures.

[peak dirge]

America is a weird place, we do everything wrong 😉

[void void]

Yeah.

[limber knot]

I'm 25 and I'm wrapping up my master's degree

[dusk drift]

Most people I know stop edu at 20/21 or go to Uni

[limber knot]

I might still go for the phd

[void void]

If you want to pursue farther.

[limber knot]

I might be in my 30s by the time I actually leave this place

[golden gust]

using just NPCs would pretty much limit you to only being able to represent mobs already in the game

[void void]

I see.

Hm.

i always found it HILARIOUS when i was 18 and told the office that i was leaving for lunch and they're like "no ur not" and im like "please, try and stop me"

they tried

i said fuk u

and left

Thank you for the advice.

How do you validate a developer tbh?

[golden gust]

Hey, simple, simple

[void void]

erm

[golden gust]

simple

[limber knot]

how did they try? did someone tackle you?

[golden gust]

fuq u

[peak dirge]

Ask to see their work.

[void void]

Okay.

[worn ember]

Simple what a Savage :)

[limber knot]

actually can I tackle simple?

[left swift]

rude

[void void]

no it was this bitchy karen who sat at the front desk magma

[limber knot]

it sounds like he's challenging me to do it

[void void]

Well I already saw the dev's work.

That I planned to hire.

[golden gust]

Look at their portfolio, many devs will also have open source stuff in this community too

[peak dirge]

Any reputable dev will at least have something open source.

[limber knot]

I mean karen could tackle you

[void void]

she was like "you cant leave no matter what your age is, you are a pupil at this institution i will call your parents"

Hm.

The problem is

and i was like "ok call them mf"

I don't know where to go.

"im leaving bye"

[dusk drift]

call your parents

[void void]

To find college aged people, that can dev.

[dusk drift]

[limber knot]

lol what

[void void]

this was high school

not college

[worn ember]

Do you go to school in a mental hospital or something?

[limber knot]

meanwhile in college

[void void]

went

[golden gust]

God, reminds me of this one lecture; it was on a friday and got was it such a dull droning lecture

[void void]

and yes, most US highschools are fucky

[limber knot]

I leave my classes twice or thrice per class to answer my phone

[void void]

only US colleges are good.

[limber knot]

because I have to keep managing my business while I'm having classes

[void void]

k-12 is shit.

[limber knot]

it's fun

[golden gust]

People literally used to like naruto run out mid session when the tutor wasn't looking after the register was sent out

[worn ember]

Lmao

[golden gust]

it's like, dude; Nobody gives a single shit if you wanna leave, just pack your bags and gtfo

[limber knot]

and by people you mean you used to naruto run right electroniccat

[golden gust]

Dude, if I was to run, i'd be outta breath in like 3 steps

[limber knot]

yeah

[golden gust]

for the rest of the day

[limber knot]

that's how a real life naruto run usually goes

have you seen the people who attempt it?

[golden gust]

lol

[void void]

Electric, are Aikar, Kashike, or Z750 taking commisions?

[worn ember]

My teacher on operating systems has yeeted someone out of the class every class this year xD

[void void]

Electronic*

[dusk drift]

I seen cat taking plugin requests on twitter once

well not taking but someone asked I think

[void void]

He's busy.

[worn ember]

Seriously tho. If ur just gonna be there doing other shit why even bother coming

[golden gust]

I limit my commisions to stuff I care about and stuff which I don't see a stupidly crazy investment in

[limber knot]

I feel ya cat

[cosmic raft]

why do you ask

[golden gust]

Given my health being 10/10, it also makes it 100% more fun

hey, kash

[void void]

I'm just looking for Devs.

[prime pawn]

IT in school, what a joke that was

[cosmic raft]

what

[golden gust]

if you wanna be a bae, would you mind killing my 2fa on the forums?

[limber knot]

I don't think I'd touch something involving pathfinding, custom models and RTS for under 10k lol

and even then

[cosmic raft]

sure, one sec

[limber knot]

I don't really have the time

[golden gust]

I erm... authenticator app failed me with the sync stuff...

[void void]

I never said custom models.

[golden gust]

and my copy of my backup codes...

[void void]

lol

[worn ember]

Cat. I'll pay you 30% of my 0$ donations if you make me a clear chat plugin

[golden gust]

looks at the disk on his table that's as dead as simples soul/hopes and dreams

[void void]

is point and click considered advanced pathfinding tbh?

[prime pawn]

At least it doesn't go past -$1000, I'd be glad to pay you 30% of that 😂

[upper flicker]

thats pretty dead

[void void]

reeeee

nobody is open to commissions i think.

rip

[golden gust]

I'm ill, so tryna keep my list small

[prime pawn]

A clear chat plugin is like literally every 2nd developer's first project 🙄

[dusk drift]

ur still fucked cat?

[limber knot]

people who can do that can do so much better than that for themselves that it just makes it not worth it bih

[golden gust]

When I do take on stuff, I pretty much demand that people offer a concise list of what they're expecting

[void void]

I see.

[worn ember]

Eh. Plenty of people are. But they're just script kiddies who think they can make a server code with skript

[cosmic raft]

@golden gust done

[void void]

I wouldn't understand tbh.

[golden gust]

Yea; I gotta book a doctors appointment for in like 2 weeks to go over my bloods

Thx ❤

[dusk drift]

skript

[worn ember]

Core*

[limber knot]

I mean I could do that for $500 or I could spend a fraction of the time working on a cool chat plugin and make more

[dusk drift]

Hope u get better cat

[void void]

Honestly, I am not looking for a starcraft pathfinding for units regarding a RTS.

lol

Just point and click.

When moving units.

[worn ember]

Just use A*

[prime pawn]

Lol I'm working on an infection minigame rn, the stupid obfuscated DataWatcher class is giving me nightmares rn -_-

[worn ember]

It's ez kappa

[void void]

Infection minigames were popular

[limber knot]

did you think we assumed you were looking for RTS mechanics that rival with the current best RTS in the market created by a multibillion dollar company?

[void void]

from what I recalled.

[worn ember]

Why do you need the data watcher?

[void void]

No.

[prime pawn]

To get maps per-player.

[prime pawn]

So I can make cool animations when they for instance select a kit (A sword swing animation with a sound updated every 5 ticks or so)

[void void]

tbh you can't compare against starcraft

whenever you think of rts, you think of commander and conquer/starcraft.

[worn ember]

Interesting

[dusk drift]

red alert 3

best

change my mind

[worn ember]

Dune 2000 or gtfo

[void void]

Hm.....

Does anybody know where I can find good plugin devs?

[prime pawn]

spigotmc.org

[void void]

Majority of the good people seem to be closed in commisions

[limber knot]

sc2 is the best rts out there by the simple virtue that no one has really tried to make a good AAA RTS since it came out

[dusk drift]

Literally spigot forums is the only place

[void void]

brood wars is better tbh.

[limber knot]

and even by the time it came out there were next to no new RTS games on the market

[prime pawn]

What plugin do you need though? Just a clear chat plugin? xD

[void void]

No.

No.

Nooo.

[worn ember]

Eh. There's a few guilds I'm in that let you post commissions and stuff

[void void]

Custom coding.

[prime pawn]

About to say because there's like 50 of them out there

[dusk drift]

50?

more like 500

[void void]

Clear chat plugin?

[limber knot]

brood wars get BTFO'd by the much, much smoother movement in sc2

[void void]

Yeah true.

But the charm isn't there for sc2

People liked brood war better.

[limber knot]

the ability for units to get out of the way is not to be understated

[void void]

in terms of mechanics.

[worn ember]

I love it when people ask for commissions of plugins that already exist. Ez money

[prime pawn]

If I copy a plugin and add a pointless sys out println it's custom, meaning it's 1000x better.

[void void]

sc2 is superior ig.

[limber knot]

I don't particularly like the current sc2 meta and I think they went in way too hard with the micro abilities but in terms of pure mechanical and technical execution it is the best modern RTS game that I know

[void void]

Yeah.

[worn ember]

Someone made a commission for something like via version. So I downloaded it and sold it to the kid xD I kinda feel bad but bruh at least Google a bit

[void void]

LOL

[limber knot]

I mean what else is going to be stealing that title

[void void]

Nah I don't believe it.

[limber knot]

dawn of war 3?

lol

[void void]

Oh no.

I'm not trying to compete with SC2

[limber knot]

literally the only other release that I can think of

[worn ember]

Rts is dead and it's sad

[prime pawn]

Most people who commission viaversion's functions usually want it in their server jar .-.

[void void]

I'm trying to go for something like

TC3

aka The Conquerors 3.

Dark

No way someone did not know about via version.

[prime pawn]

So, bih park I suppose you're a jrpg fan?

[void void]

No.

Japanese RPG?

I just like the Dragon Quest slime.

That's all.

[prime pawn]

Wow 😦

Disappointed

[void void]

RPG's are too boring.

especially classic ones.

Fundamentally they are all the same thing.

[prime pawn]

Play Suikoden 5.

[limber knot]

for $100 I'll write you a VN creator for minecraft lol

now that's a deal

[void void]

Oh god.

[limber knot]

I'll even hardcode the suffixes for all the names

[void void]

I remember I played a VN called Doki Doki.

I never played any VN's since.

It was so popular.

[limber knot]

you should try katawa shoujo

[prime pawn]

There's something I wouldn't code for even $1000 xP

And that is, a server jar from scratch without nms

[limber knot]

it's basically a vn made by 4chan

so you know it's top notch quality

[prime pawn]

Minecraft is Notch quality

[void void]

Alright.

I posted on Spigot.

Hopefully I find somebody that is good.

[limber knot]

is there a way to start a betting pool against bih park

[void void]

What other places can I find devs?

^

I bet 100 dollars I will find a shitty dev.

[prime pawn]

Honestly there should be a guide for "Hiring developers". The amount of server owners that get scammed xD

[void void]

IK

Holy.

I never have been scammed.

But I had to find stuff online.

Like who does Hypixel hire to dev for them?

and etc.

[dusk drift]

The best

from the community

[void void]

Which "community"

[dusk drift]

The minecraft/bukkit/spigot community?

[void void]

Oh.

I thought you meant like discord or omething.

[dusk drift]

Like Cubecraft opened a new job posted on the spigot fourms

[void void]

tbh never heard of them.

[limber knot]

iirc they have recruiters and a series of qualification tests

[dusk drift]

Yea

[void void]

since Hypixel and Mineplex are the monopolies.

[golden gust]

Hypixel hires full time devs

and well, they have a whole application process and like several dozen interviews to get through

[void void]

Wow.

[limber knot]

I mean hypixel at this point is a full fledged videogame company so...

[dusk drift]

pickle is hard to get in

[void void]

I was there when Hypixel was just a map making team.

I never knew it would grow the way it was.

[dusk drift]

I was there was it was just Hypixel him self

[limber knot]

I was there before hypixel was a thing

[dusk drift]

Yea

[golden gust]

I was there

[dusk drift]

Herobrine mansion

[golden gust]

giggity

[dusk drift]

I member

[void void]

I remember.

[golden gust]

ohhhh, i 'member

[void void]

There was a guy named disco or something.

He created the Temple of Notch.

Or something along the lines of that.

[dusk drift]

He had a OCD texture pack

and made really good boss fights iirc

[void void]

So they just post jobs on forums?

Which section of the forums?

Development?

[dusk drift]

recruiting

obv lol

[void void]

Oh crap.

Did not see that.

Holy.

[dusk drift]

So u haven't looked for a dev yet?

[void void]

I am blind.

[prime pawn]

Tried a dev from cubecraft before, when I had my hands full. Wasn't all that impressed.

[dusk drift]

in the right place?

[void void]

I have looked for a Dev.

They are both good tbh, but they are too busy with school.

[golden gust]

Honestly, can't really say I've seen many "big name devs" who actually seem all that competent

[dusk drift]

I feel like a lot of people specify in one section of MC

[golden gust]

Cobbling trash together that looks pretty in this community generally gets a lot further than actual competent/stable solutions

[void void]

Hexed.

Ty

[dusk drift]

?

[void void]

I see a lot of stuff now.

[dusk drift]

ffs lol

[void void]

Hopefully I can find someone.

lol honestly, I looked at devs

and I assumed everyhing was there

[golden gust]

crumpets, or curry.. hm...

[prime pawn]

What do you need? A series of plugins? a dev to join your team?

[dusk drift]

cat

its fucking 4am

what are u doing

[prime pawn]

Nuh it's 3pm 😛

[golden gust]

I couldn't sleep last night and woke up at like 6ish or something

[prime pawn]

I always code at night

Because I hate being disturbed

You're just in the zone, then poof "Can you do this or that?"

[dusk drift]

My sleep is completely fucked, I'm going to bed at 6/7am

[prime pawn]

I usually do at 4pm

[golden gust]

I just, like... I was fine, going to bed at a "sane" time, and then I just couldn't sleep, and so I woke up late; last night, couldn't sleep again and just blew it outta the water even more

What sucks is I wake up tired as all shit, so kinda just flip over for another few hours; rip

[prime pawn]

My sleeping pattern isn't a pattern. It's like it just does anything it possibly can, not to be a pattern.

[void void]

yall remember the name of that free selfhost password manager thing?

Proximyst

The thing I find really common in programmers.

Is that they do not sleep.

yes

I wish I knew had to program, but I just don't have a passion or patience for it tbh.

then dont do it

Yeah.

I don't.

I plan to do buisness.

keeps the jobs open for ppl who actually have a passion for it and aren't motivated only for money lmao

Eh....

Programming has a lot of money tbh involved with it.

I wish I had something that I liked.

and paid a lot.

[neon dagger]

Welp first time posting something on Bleeping computer, never thought I'd need to.

[ancient bolt]

only shitty programmers don't sleep

tired minds don't function well

[prime pawn]

I agree xD I tend to be working on an problem for hours

Only to solve it in 5 mins when I wake up >_>

But you can tell a java developer's skill

By the length of their beard

@void void

You posted it in the wrong section

nub

[void void]

reee

idk i feel like programmers have insomnia

[void void]

or maybe

insomniacs are programmers

[proud lance]

Or maybe

Insomnia is a program

[limber knot]

TIL mircosoft owns the company behind adaptopenjdk

[golden gust]

I give up tryna sleep, literally at the point now where if I do fall asleep, I'm further dooming my sleep schedule

[limber knot]

just force yourself to a proper schedule

the first days will be bad, but after that you will feel generally better

I manage to get 8 hours a day again

ooh, schedules

What kind

[void void]

context switching

[golden gust]

Yea, I just gotta try and push it foward; I doomed myself by going to lie down early other day, and then I couldn't sleep and just entered this spiral of sleep doom

[limber knot]

I mean, having a proper full time job helps

I got flexible working hours tho, I could just show up at 10 one day, 8 the next and 12 the 3rd one and nobody would care

as long as I log 7.6 hours per day on average

Oh, sleep - yeah my sleep schedule is horrid

Well, my sleep schedule is fine I just don't sleep :P

[vestal jasper]

I have to be up in 4 hours

Mfw

[static badge]

you're up now

[vestal jasper]

Yes

Thanks for that impressive observation retard

[static badge]

vic you're retarded

[vestal jasper]

Ok retard

[static badge]

ur physically retarded too

mentally too

[vestal jasper]

At least im not a furry

[static badge]

I'm not either

[vestal jasper]

Sure you aren't

Look at your avatar

[static badge]

absolutely sure

[vestal jasper]

Fucking furry

[static badge]

mfw I said that about urs and u changed

something to hide yes

as if it were not a defendable position

[vestal jasper]

I literally changed it because brian

[static badge]

vic furry confirmed

[vestal jasper]

Ok furry

[static badge]

ur furry

[vestal jasper]

At least my pic didnt showcase a cats ass

Furry

[static badge]

wow

[vestal jasper]

Ur retarded

[static badge]

ur retarded

[vestal jasper]

🤔

[fleet osprey]

"I have to be up in 4 hours Mfw" just screams I want attention, look how I am staying up late, please someone question my life choices

[vestal jasper]

Wow it's almost as if the conversation was about sleep and sleep schedules

Calling someone out for extremely petty reasons just screams I want attention please reply to me

[golden gust]

🔥

[static badge]

mfw literally vic

[vestal jasper]

Leaf ur retarded

[static badge]

vic you're retarded

if I had two remaining braincells
and one of them was dying let's say
and you offered to lend me one of yours
not only would I reject that offer but I'd be surprised you'd offer your last remaining braincell
u fuking retard

[void void]

Trump retweeted a post from Iran International

tf

of a book burning

with no extra commets

just retweet

[limber knot]

tbf book burning is pretty lit

trump always did strike me as the dude who would be in the prologue to Fahrenheit 451

[void void]

if i could retweet that i would

[limber knot]

what I just said?

[void void]

ye

[limber knot]

truly my absence from twitter is making the world a poorer place

[void void]

now with that i disagree

lol

[limber knot]

hey dingus you know you can just say it right

[void void]

we are fundamentally richer

just one tweet doesnt make gold

[limber knot]

everything I say is gold

[tawdry coyote]

fool's gold

[void void]

oofers

.rekt

[limber knot]

☑ REKTification

gold nonetheless

have you not heard

all that glitters is gold

only shooting stars break the mold

man it's 10 am and I am already in a deep state of dread for the rest of my day

[heady spear]

I have to learn python for computer structures and algorithm

Because they said that implementing stuff in C was too hard

[void void]

have fun with indentation as syntax

[limber knot]

whitespace more like whitepower amirite

[heady spear]

I took a python crash course and I feel very miserable

[limber knot]

eh it's not that bad

[heady spear]

Wtf negative array indexing

[void void]

lmao

[wide chasm]

Python is pretty okay imo. I just dislike whitespace indentation.

[void void]

doesnt that just start from the back

iirc

[heady spear]

array[-1] should not be valid

Yes. It’s dumb and scary

[wide chasm]

looks at C++

[limber knot]

meanwhile, over at javascript HQ...

[void void]

does it overall at array.length?

overflow*

i.e. array[array.length + 1] == array[0]

if so

[heady spear]

Also hello wtf print “hello %s” % “world”

[wide chasm]

Yes, modulo for formatting

[limber knot]

that's hot, that's hot

[heady spear]

Everything about the language is scary

[wide chasm]

Nah, Python has good stuff

[heady spear]

Also two line breaks after classes or else it goes boom

[limber knot]

what else would you expect for a language named after snakes?

[heady spear]

And the classes are barely self aware you need to pass self as a method parameter to every fucking method that needs a reference to the instance

Because it can’t keep track of self on it’s own, fucking dumb ass piece of shit

Oh yes this awesome keyword let’s make it a method parameter :))))

[void void]

[heady spear]

Oh and None? Yeah, fucking None. Wtf

[void void]

Rust has None

[wide chasm]

Capitalized True and False

[heady spear]

Python is scary

[limber knot]

we need a language with truthy and falsy

[heady spear]

I will say though, we had to make a linked list implementation and it was super easy and overriding [] is fucking sexy

[void void]

sorry did you mean JavaScript, magma

1, nonempty array, string, any value

true

[wide chasm]

❤ operator overloading

[limber knot]

we need to go farther

I want my booleans to be objects

[heady spear]

Iike I think I can grow to like python

[limber knot]

and I want my objects to be programs

[heady spear]

It just feels odd

Also the naming convention are kinda eh

[limber knot]

I want the computer to speedrun the original DOOM game every time I check the value of a boolean

and I want it to speedrun supermario 64 every time I assign a value

[wide chasm]

What's the WR for Doom any%?

[limber knot]

.g doom world record any%

(^-^) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJvs1BGlydc -- DOOM (2016) Any% Speedrun in 23:57 - YouTube: "Jul 31, 2018 ... EDIT : New World record here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgJdNdRx9CA."

not the right doom

4m51s

no wait 6m12s real time

[heady spear]

I need to go back to school to convince my professor I didn’t cheat because someone gave me an A for an assignment I never handed in

How the fuck is that my fault

[wide chasm]

6m12 is pretty okay

[limber knot]

yeah you might be able to boot your average 100 plugin server before the eventual heat death of the universe at that pace

[wide chasm]

I'm guessing it has some kind of unintended memory manipulation, possible ACE issues as well as collision issues and some other non-trivial things.

[limber knot]

how could you cheat if you never turned it in

that's some 4d chess cheating

the only winning move was not to play

why hasn't someone remade the old wargames movie

.g wargames remake

(^-^) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames:_The_Dead_Code -- WarGames: The Dead Code - Wikipedia: "WarGames: The Dead Code is a 2008 American direct-to-video thriller film written by Randall Badat and Rob Kerchner and directed by Stuart Gillard. It..."

[heady spear]

Idk someone gave me a perfect score on it and she thinks I cheated somehow

[limber knot]

oh fun

direct to video

[heady spear]

Because I didn’t report it early enough

I was made aware of it today and I told her immediately

[limber knot]

tell her "ur mum cheats"

[heady spear]

But now she is pissed lol

[wide chasm]

lol

[heady spear]

Idk what she thinks I did

Like bribe her assistant? I’m too poor for that

[wide chasm]

You cheated, obviously

[heady spear]

Yeah obviously but how

[void void]

fucking cheater subhuman trash

[heady spear]

How do I cheat without even knowing it

[void void]

u hacked the mainframe

[wide chasm]

There's no how, you just did

[heady spear]

Oh no

Well if she reports it to the uni then I’ll need to defend myself before the honor council

Of which I’m a member, so that’ll be odd

[wide chasm]

lol

[heady spear]

I find myself guilty because I look suspicious

[wide chasm]

Alright, serious question, do people there also warn you about "don't plagiarize" every ten minutes and treat you like some kind of serial killer if you do?

[heady spear]

Yes

[limber knot]

just say "Dear professor, I appreciate that you estimate my programming skills to be so great that I am capable of hacking into the college's mainframe and use my knowledge of the linux architecture to set my own grades. However, had this been my approach, rest assured that I would never have brought it to your attention. As a matter of fact, you can tell that I am actually pretty retarded by the fact that I actually said anything

about the grade in the first place. Yours truly, Retarded student"

[wide chasm]

Oh, so that's apparently normal then, okay.

[heady spear]

If you plagiarize you’ll have to stand before the honor council

And we decide whether to kick you out or behead you

I always vote for beheading but it never happens

[limber knot]

or worse

get expelled

[wide chasm]

Oh shit

Actually, tuition costs money here, so that'd kinda suck.

[heady spear]

If you can’t prove that you’re innocent you’ll be expelled and also banned from all universities in the country

[void void]

lol

[golden gust]

He needs to get his priorities checked out

[heady spear]

Sometimes they add a sprinkle of public shaming too

[void void]

just tell her to give you a 0 because you didnt turn it in lmao

[limber knot]

here if you plagiarize your work gets denied and in a worst case scenario you get published on a list of dirty dirty cheaters but that never happens

you can't get kicked out over it

[wide chasm]

My Computer Programming teacher once complained that some students "implemented the required algorithm differently" and since that algorithm is on internet, they almost considered that "plagiarising" smh

[heady spear]

We’re super strict about it

[limber knot]

I mean we're in a fucking translation department for god's sake

[heady spear]

Cheating during exams will get you expelled immediately

You’re guilty until proven innocent

[limber knot]

if you don't want us to plagiarize just ask us to translate shit that hasn't been translated before

this shouldn't even be an issue in the first place

[void void]

ok gl with that city im going to bed

[heady spear]

Well they think that using code from stackoverflow is plagiarism but they told us to rename all variables or their automatic system would flag it

So if you read man pages they want you to rename shit etc

[limber knot]

somehow we have 3 classes about "theory" which is one way to say "nothing"

[wide chasm]

Oh, renaming variables doesn't even work here. They use some kind of smart system for that.

[limber knot]

a massive waste of everyone's time

[heady spear]

I think they have some grad student transcribe and google everything tbh

[wide chasm]

lol

[heady spear]

I got called out for using my teachers example during an exam once

[limber knot]

lmao will you look at that

[heady spear]

And she also pointed out errors in the code, that were included in the original example

[limber knot]

still no professor hired for one of my two classes this semester

[wide chasm]

Oh shit, you actually used the knowledge you learned in class. You filthy cheater!

[limber knot]

lmao actually learning something from a class

[heady spear]

“This is wrong” “ma’am you wrote this” “oh, this is perfect” basically

[limber knot]

they should expel you

[wide chasm]

lol

[limber knot]

actually they should send you to the forbidden forest with someone who suffers from giantism and downs syndrome

[heady spear]

Fucking mips assembly on paper too

Was a giant pain in the ass

[limber knot]

one thing I love about my classes is that regardless of what someone says no teacher actually wants to say "that's wrong, you're retarded"

it's an amazing sight to behold

I got in trouble for calling people out on their mistakes

[heady spear]

Do your schools also spam you with course evaluations for months after the course have ended?

They're super aggressive about it

[limber knot]

yeah

[heady spear]

if you don't fill in the form they'll continue shaming you for at least a year

[wide chasm]

I get a giant pop-up when I open the site about it.

[limber knot]

I found out that they don't sanitize their inputs for whitespace

so I just input whitespace until the minimum character count is filled

[wide chasm]

Our school website doesn't even do server side checking; I registered for classes that were already "full".

[heady spear]

our school doesn't have the technology to check if you've passed the pre-reqs so they basically ask you to be honest

[limber knot]

we just don't have the technology yet guys

some day

[wide chasm]

Yeah, hopefully the future will hold the answers to our everyday struggles.

[limber knot]

if we don't get waifu robots by the time I'm dead I'll haunt you all from beyond the grave

[wide chasm]

Please do

[limber knot]

specifically by introducing bugs and off by 1 errors into your code

[wide chasm]

Those are my favorite three errors.

[limber knot]

there's -1 types of people in this world

[heady spear]

You can't possibly make my code any buggier

[limber knot]

weeb

you dummas

obviously your code is already being haunted by the ghosts of all the devs who died before we got robot waifus

the amount of bugs in code will continue increasing exponentially as devs keep dying until robot waifus get released

at that point all the devs will finally be able to move on from this realm

and we'll live in a utopia

anyway that's my pitch for the next bladerunner sequel

[wide chasm]

Approved; alright, let's get to work

[heady spear]

why does mars completely ignore the interrupt vector

what's even the point of enabling interrupts if it's just going to allow all of them either way

"Is this interrupt enabled? No? INTERRUPT!!!!"

^Mars, 2019.

[limber knot]

remember the event cancelling in the spigot api?

[fallen jungle]

Is there any performance advantage in using Java 12 instead of Java 8 for a Paper server? Since I haven't started working on the projects yet I can still choose, and I've heard something about a new GC?

[limber knot]

Shendoah /can/ be better in some circumstances

I did some testing a few months back

[wide chasm]

I'd personally recommend to stick with the newest LTS.

[limber knot]

I'd recommend Java 8 for MC tbh

I've seen a few weird bugs pop up in newer versions

[heady spear]

We temporarily switched to java 10 and got loads of fun netty exceptions all randomly

downgraded to OpenJDK 8 with OpenJ9

It's been quite smooth so far

[fallen jungle]

The current LTS is 11 right?

[heady spear]

mhm

[fallen jungle]

Java 13 has the new switch :(

[heady spear]

As dope as the new features are, the issues introduces were too much to deal with and I just gave up

I would love to run java 13 but I don't have time to debug everything properly

You can give it a go. If it works then it works. Just run the server using a new vm version and see what happens

but I wouldn't invest time in <new> code until you've verified that things are working

[fallen jungle]

I think I'll do just that

If everything seems to be working fine, can I rely on new code made for 13 to work fine as well?

[heady spear]

I don't see why not

[void void]

I'm still fucking awake.

[heady spear]

Sleep

[void void]

Enjoy

ifunny watermark

i can't share this now

for (int i = 0; i < 10; i -= -1) { ... } for loop of the gods

Hurry up so I can sleep city

[heady spear]

I prefer i -= (Integer.MAX_VALUE - Integer.MIN_VALUE) .-.

just took me half a year to verify it

[void void]

Smh

Does that result in 1 or -1, if 1 you need to invert it

Otherwise loopy loop go backwards

[heady spear]

it's -1

[void void]

O

Ok goodnight!!!!!!1

[heady spear]

max_value is 2^31 - 1, min_value is -2^31. 2^31 + 1 = -2^31 because of 2s-complement 😛

so it's 2^31 - 1 - 2^31 :3

I am drunk

ok that checks out

nighty 😛

[void void]

Yes yes it's 3:40am I'm not in thinking mode also exam in a few hours!!!!!!!1

Yay!!!!!1

I'm fucked!!!!11111

Night

rip

[quasi valley]

Going to sleep at 4am is like

[errant echo]

Why is he even paying just for an IDE?? Its not like he's an enterprise

[heady spear]

You know you can get FOSS licenses, right?

And educational licenses

Or have your workplace pay for the licenses

[errant echo]

wait you can??

[heady spear]

Lol, yes

I've used ultimate for years and I've never once paid for it myself 🙂

[wide chasm]

You can get a discount from 25% to 100% for a lot of stuff

I'm currently using a license I got for reporting bugs

[heady spear]

If you're a uni student you can get all of their IDEs for free

[errant echo]

What is the FOSS license

[wide chasm]

Free Open Source Software license

[heady spear]

If you have a large-ish open source project then you can apply to get a license for that particular project

[errant echo]

Where can I get that Mr Stef?

[heady spear]

We've had the PlotSquared license for a couple of years

https://www.jetbrains.com/community/opensource/

[heady spear]

Went in to discuss the cheating allogations with my prof

So I showed her the code for the assignment that I had written but never shown and she was like "ok I'll approve you, but you haven't gotten approved on lab 2"

and I was like r u dumb? I have the fucking confirmation email right here*

and she was like "oh, right, ok you've passed all labs then"

????

[woven otter]

did you actually call her dumb

[heady spear]

no it was more like "Okay, so I am not saying you're wrong but I have to respectfully disagree. I have the confirmation email right here, if you'd like to see it."

[void void]

[2:30 PM] Ivory: Why is he even paying just for an IDE?? Its not like he's an enterprise

how can you tell that i'm not

[wide chasm]

Your purple name shows that you're very rich, so you must pay for your IDE.

[woven otter]

Mikroskeem Enterprises

[merry talon]

you can get them for free from some site with a pirate ship on it too

I forget what it's called but they're nice enough to pay for everyone to have a license

[woven otter]

naughty naughty

[heady spear]

lol so I am reading survey answers for this computer structure and algorithms course

"If there were some sort of justice then you would all be facing it. You haven't taught shit and you all know it. Was your goal to create sociopaths?"

ok dude chill you had to create a linked list in python, it's not that deep

"You can start by teaching the students something. You're all a big fucking joke"

"It's hard to get help when there's a clear lack of competence"

english hard

[wide chasm]

But City, it's a linked list!!!

[heady spear]

I'm so excited to spend three months on this 🙂

[woven otter]

u sure

are u ok

[heady spear]

no

[woven otter]

sad

[limber knot]

it's sort of weird that amazon provides no way to access the shipping business' tracking website from within their tracking page

[heady spear]

yay just ordered a perfume for $120 so I can smell like burning wood

[limber knot]

like my package is getting delivered by ACTTX

[heady spear]

being a pyromaniac sounds like a lot of work so this is as close I'll get

[limber knot]

there's a tracking number

but I can't find their website to see where it actually is at

just get some morning woods and set yourself on fire weeb

[woven otter]

burning wood sounds cheaper

[limber knot]

do you even know how much lighter fluid you can buy for $120

[woven otter]

might even be better for the environment

[wide chasm]

I should've checked how long shipping would've cost on this website before paying for it. Apparently this doesn't have same/next day shipping, so I'll have to wait ten days 😦

[limber knot]

well

[heady spear]

by the fireplace is fucking amazing tho

like I'm gonna shower in that shit

[woven otter]

do you smell burnt

[limber knot]

today was not a nice day

I am getting really tired of russian

s

it's only 2 pm but I think I'll call it a day

[vestal jasper]

🤠

[limber knot]

oh thank the merciful lord she's not wasting any more of my time

fuck me

if I get another certified translation request at 8 pm for 9 am on a sunday again I am going to snap

it's been like 3 weeks in a row

[golden gust]

"Dude, you're bustin mah bawls"

[woven otter]

aren't you making bank tho

[limber knot]

no

that's the worst part

[woven otter]

well then sucks

[limber knot]

I'm doing it as a favor for my father

[golden gust]

if he was making bank, am pretti sure he'd be chuffed

[limber knot]

it was supposed to be a 1-off thing

[golden gust]

rip

[woven otter]

it's never 1-off

[limber knot]

but it's now become 4 certified translations, 2 nights where I had to stay up overnight and 4 hours standing at the bank as an interpreter

[wide chasm]

You could just tell him that you can't come, because of time constraints or something.

[limber knot]

charging a regular rate that would be about 1000 euros worth of services if I'm sort of lowballing it

instead I've somehow shelled out 600 euros over it

just fuck everything about this

I'm done with it

worst part is that it's now affecting my other work because I really need to go to sleep at 2 pm instead of being here for the rest of my work day or else I know for a fact I'll snap at a client or something because I've been up since yesterday working on documents that I warned were not going to work out and, surprise surprise, didn't work out

[warped shuttle]

How do i make textures for custom items on my server without changing the texture of existing items?

[void void]

uh?

[mortal zinc]

i don't really know the datapack system very well, but you can apply a custom namespace to your items and you won't have to mess with the official minecraft namespace

[limber knot]

he is asking about resource packs, not data packs

and no, you can't add custom items (yet)

[mortal zinc]

i take it the texture / resource / data pack system is not a replacement for the plugin API? it's just a system to modify existing elements of the game?

[limber knot]

texture/resource packs are client side things

the data pack system is kinda like Mojang's official "plugin" "api"

neither of them support adding custom blocks/items/entities (yet)

[neon dagger]

There are pretty cool things made with datapacks though. However someone on here was talking about how ineffeciant they are.

[limber knot]

there's nothing a data pack can do that a plugin can't do (and probably more efficiently) so yeah

the main issue with data packs is that they don't have event support so they often rely on functions checking stuff each tick

[neon dagger]

@mortal zinc What you could do is use stuff like durability values to introduce custom models/textures and then add on to those items with a plugin.

I'm not sure if tags work for custom models/textures, but if they do that'll be even better.

[limber knot]

no necessary as you can just use the custom_model_tag

the old hacky ways are not necessary anymore after mojang added that ;)

[neon dagger]

Yay!

I've been working on my "lunatic mode" with no custom models at all. ^^;

[heady spear]

waiiiiit so you can add custom models per item?

[limber knot]

yes

[heady spear]

wtf how did I not know about this ._.

[limber knot]

because you didn't read the 1.14 changelogs? :P

That has been a thing since 1.9 or iirc

with the durability hack

it only worked for items with durability before

[heady spear]

Yeah I knew about the durability hack, but not the new tag

I have been kinda out of the loop since 1.13, so that'd explain it

[woven otter]

i guess ur mmo server will get an update

[heady spear]

fuck yes it will

[worn ember]

oh hi mark

[woven otter]

hi doggy

[limber knot]

does anybody know how to exclude certain java files from getting compiled in maven? xD

pretty sure the compiler plugin takes the normal excludes thingy

but, why?!

https://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-compiler-plugin/compile-mojo.html#excludes

using a profile for testing whether or not a project would still build with bukkit xD

I guess I should really just extend PaperLib but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

or well, use separate modules but that would get kinda annoying

also excludes don't seem to work so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

yeah, no matter what path or wildcard I add it just tries to compile all classes :S

ah, they work if you use a wildcard and don't reference them from a different class. interesting

[void void]

Guys.

Can someone explain Paper to me?

I am a layman.

People say paper is better than spigot.

But some say there is no difference.

[heady spear]

generalised nondeterministic finite automata are cool

but the book told us to write alphabet elements in a typewriter font, am I supposed to bring a typewriter with me to the exam so I can make it look proper?

Because I feel like that's something I'm supposed to do, just need some backup on that

[worn ember]

@spare venture its just 5G?

wait nvm

its actually just 4G lol

[celest coyote]

paper is an enhanced version of spigot, like spigot is an enhanced version of craftbukkit

[worn ember]

its a fork of a fork

fork²

[heady spear]

And CraftBukkit is an enhanced version of the vanilla server

[worn ember]

vanilla big bad

[heady spear]

no vanilla best server

[woven otter]

no

[worn ember]

u

[woven otter]

no u

[void void]

Is there anything better than Paper

yet?

[limber knot]

scissors

[void void]

xd

[limber knot]

but it always wins against rock but always losese to scissors

[void void]

no

i mean papermc

is there anything better than that?

[limber knot]

I knew what you went

[void void]

lo

oh ok,.

[worn ember]

i mean, obviously people here are gonna say no

¯_(ツ)_/¯

otherwise they probably wouldnt be here

there's alternatives, sure, but if they're better that's for you to find out

[void void]

ree

[worn ember]

Sponge is interesting, but its a whole different eco system

and it has its own set of issues

[void void]

wdym by sponge

i heard of it

kinda.

can you explain it?

[worn ember]

https://www.spongepowered.org i dont really use sponge, so i wouldnt be the right person to explain lol

but you can take a look at their site

they have one for modded and one for vanilla

[unreal quarry]

There's many forks of paper floating around

[worn ember]

inb4 self plug

[unreal quarry]

Some better than others in different areas

[void void]

what is the best thing for general usage?

[unreal quarry]

For general use? Paper..

[heady spear]

I'm kind of starting to like python

it's fun to use

[woven otter]

best fork of paper is Purpur ofc

[heady spear]

stop sucking up to billy

[woven otter]

shut up you don't have a fork

ur not worthy

[heady spear]

I do

but it's super trashy and also I can't be bothered to edit my patches so I've patched the patches in future patches

It's very broken

Oh and per PlotSquared naming conventions I've named most patches ".". Would have gone for "*", but it looked weird

[void void]

lol

[heady spear]

I only wanted basic block phasing 😦 It works so I'm happy enough

[heady spear]

I used “it works at home” as an excuse for my lab failing to compile during a computer lab and the assistant was like aight fair enough

Real programmer homie moment right there

[worn ember]

i write my plugins in Yafa

[void void]

Would you guys suggest hiring multiple devs for a project?

Or too much conflict?

[green edge]

depends on the size of the project

[void void]

@green edge

Holy

I know you.

You were the guy who tried to write a guide to make a popular MC server.

on a spigot forum.

I believe.

[limber knot]

[void void]

what is waterfalll?

[fresh talon]

water obeys the laws of gravity

[green edge]

not sure, i was an active poster on spigot around 2 years ago

[void void]

Oh.

[green edge]

last guide i've done for spigot is related to protecting servers against layer 7 attacks using iptables

[void void]

in terms of server preformance, what is the best version?

[limber knot]

Classic

Out of the last two years? 1.13

[woven otter]

how old is 1.12.2 now

[quasi valley]

more than 1

[peak kite]

Well, probably v1

https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Java_Edition_Alpha_v1.0.0+

[woven otter]

isn't 1.12.2 better performance wise than 1.13

[quasi valley]

but 1.12 is also boring

[woven otter]

true

[limber knot]

1.12.2 is over 2 years old

2 years and 2 months

[void void]

hm...

classic is the best in terms of preformance for servers?

thats so old though...

[peak kite]

mojang never multithreaded it. ever.

[tardy lynx]

There's a cat stuck on my roof

[limber knot]

Pet it

[tardy lynx]

I can't reach, it's on my roof

[limber knot]

pets MiniDigger

[quasi valley]

glances at our 1.8 servers

quickly looks away

[limber knot]

1.15 will fix everything

*runs *

*humps MiniDigger *

I wonder when they start prereleasing 1.15

From what I just heard bedrock ppl are already rushing to meet their deadlines (for cert and shit), so their planned release has to be rather close

[quasi valley]

prolly before the christmas holidays, as they did previously

I think they even said they'll release it before the holidays.. ? not sure tho

[woven otter]

who needs bees anyways

[peak kite]

if they did it right, the bees would be multithreaded.

[quasi valley]

[void void]

should i use paperspigot for 1.8.8 or spigot?

[limber knot]

@void void [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[quasi valley]

You shouldn’t use 1.8

[void void]

no just tell me please

[quasi valley]

But if so, paper was already better yeah

[void void]

protocolsupport buggy as hell i tell you

[quasi valley]

Use ViaBackwards

[void void]

it doesnt support 1.8

[quasi valley]

• ViaRewind

[void void]

nope

i tried them

[quasi valley]

It does lol

[void void]

i need 1.14.4 -- 1.8

and i tried using both and it didnt work

couldnt even join the server

[quasi valley]

You can’t use the build from spigot

Use the ci builds

[void void]

oh

can you send me links please?

also is it recommended to use protocolsupport or via?

[quasi valley]

Aside from minor fixes to be done it should work alright. But PS should be a lot more stable, still

[void void]

okay

[quasi valley]

Join either the PS or Via discord for more help I guess

[mighty echo]

Hey guys, I'm looking to migrate a set of 1.14.4 servers which currently run on Spigot and Bungee to Paper. Can I expect a seamless transition when switching to Paper/Waterfall?

Can I continue building my plugins against the Spigot/Bungee API, and simply swap the server software?

[peak dirge]

Yes

But Paper and Waterfall also extend the API in various ways (for example adding async chunk loading-aware teleportation for Paper)

[mighty echo]

I am aware of that, but I do not want to use any of those features yet to be able to switch back to Spigot if need be. I don't expect there to be any issues, it's just that this project is rather important and I need to be able to revert quickly if need be :)

[void void]

wtf is waterfall?

[mighty echo]

🤔

[peak kite]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/blob/master/README.md

[woven otter]

it's a fork of bungeecord

[mighty echo]

amazing, switching took me less than 5 minutes and everything launches flawlessly.

[limber knot]

Hello there, I'm curios about Waterfall, which features does waterfall add extra than tradional Bungeecord?

taking a look at the summaries in the patch files would probably the easiest and most comprehensive way to find out: https://github.com/PaperMC/Waterfall/tree/master/BungeeCord-Patches

Ahh okay, so it's primarily fixes, so no extra commands and such?

fixes, improvements and some api additions

and additional config settings

Yeah alright. Thanks! :)

[peak kite]

akin to paper.

[neon dagger]

What's your fave texture packs? I just wanna look around at some and curseforge is all...