Is much easy to just is the stuff that Fabric and MCP do and fix the code that is causing lag
#general
summer jackal
void void
too much ignorance in here, im gonna go work on stuff adios muchachos
summer jackal
is that what Paper does with the server, if I'm correcly
I will study for my test tomorow
warped spear
swapping the opengl for vulkan would be a dream come true
warped spear
gl
void void
lone lynx
minor otter
Any World Edit specialists here?
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minor otter
I know that, in WE you can place items inside a chest, and if you copy that chest, it will be pasted with the same items inside. Does this also apply to hoppers???
limber knotBOT
it should apply to all tile entities, yes
unique matrix
minor otter
Okey, can I as a server owner use a command after I copy/paste something for my users to see if they abused this feature without having too look thru every chest/hopper etc in the build??
summer jackal
Hi guys, who see the slicedlime video?
this is not the main problem in 1.14 server lag?
unreal quarry
It's one of many. Definitely not the main.
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isn't slicedlime mojang boi
celest coyote
Tech Lead for Minecraft Java Game & Minecraft Launcher at Mojang
yeah seems like it
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anyone got a link to it
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Useless
celest coyote
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celest coyote
thats the one
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ik
warped spear
i wish eclipse had better auto complete for opengl
it seems to only understand glsl 50% of the time
ancient bolt
using eclipse for literally any reason
Use emacs
Emacs was made by RMS therefore it is perfect
warped spear
i was considering intellij
will also look into emacs
also sucks ZGC is linux only rn
it so good
summer jackal
Anyone knows if is possible and if was any vantage to run minecraft with ZGC?
warped spear
lower latency its like g1c on steroids
java 12 has an even better one
but mostly the advantage would be reducing gc stutter
introduced to java12 but has a java 8 port
actually wait not sure which is better for minecraft throughput or latency
void void
stone silo
huh, putting an item into a dropper doesn't trigger a block update?
ah I see, need a comparator
rain pollen
peak dirge
I don't think you're going to see a lot of improvement from using ZGC
Minecraft allocates lots of garbage and ZGC trades stop-the-world pauses for vastly increased overhead and throughput reduction (i.e. lag)
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wow tradeoffs
void void
i just made a server for the first time, could someone join to see if it works? thanks
ancient bolt
@peak dirge lots of experimentation is needed
zgc could be really really great for MC with it's ultra-high throughput capabilities
could be bad due to decreased vm performance
still lots of testing needs to be done
lime venture
this isn't really plugin development help so i'm not posting in paper-dev, but would it be possible to create a custom world generator in another language?
hear me out before calling me a dumbass
I have a world from a minecraft clone game that I wrote a script to convert to an actual minecraft save. I have that save running on a server, but I want to be able to generate new chunks with the same generation as the original game. The original game is written in C#, so I was thinking I could make a custom world generator that connects to a sort of local world generator "server", and whenever the game requests a chunk, it would connect to the original clone game's world gen code with a wrapper around it and retrieve the new chunk from there
It could communicate through shared memory, a named pipe, or maybe a local TCP socket
Is there anything big I'm missing that would make this impossible?
ancient bolt
anything is possible with enough effort
upper flicker
just a big ass patch and time to debug
peak dirge
you want to do network I/O in the main thread... not a good idea
ancient bolt
if it's C# it's almost certainly easier to just rewrite it in java
peak dirge
chances are you should try to port the generator if you could
lime venture
Is chunk gen still on the main thread in paper?
upper flicker
no
lime venture
So any latency wouldn't affect tickrate, right?
upper flicker
mmm yes and no
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sync loads fuck you
upper flicker
if something makes a blocking request sync
youre gonna get fucked
just because we can make the gen async for exploration doesnt mean we can assure that it wont block on a teleport for example
lime venture
I know it's not as good an idea as porting the code, but the code is absolutely a disaster and I'm not familiar with it. Getting it to match the original world gen would probably be dumber than just serving the chunks from the original code
I'm not storing saved chunks with the legacy code, it would be strictly for newly generated chunks
So any delay would only happen once in a chunk's lifetime
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could just pregen and call it a day
peak dirge
I mean, if the intent is to just clone the generation as much as possible, why not pregen? It'd be easy since you've already got a script to convert the worlds.
lime venture
I plan on pregening but I'd also like to make the world infinite, more as a challenge than anything else
peak dirge
And then you don't have to suffer with lag.
ocean plank
bronze bobcat
hey, so im new here. my worldedit plugin just told me to download paper as my server jar file.
Ive never even heard of paper or know anything about how it works.
Could anyone direct me to where i can find information/tell me what paper is/why its better than spigot?
lime venture
much better optimization basically
all the features you would get from a plugin like ClearLag are built in, more async features which will use the processor more efficiently, etc.
rain timber
warped spear
anyone see anything wrong with this
-Xmx4G -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:ShenandoahInitFreeThreshold=64M -XX:ShenandoahMinFreeThreshold=64M X:ShenandoahAllocSpikeFactor=256M XX:ShenandoahGarbageThreshold=512M
bronze bobcat
so like, why wouldnt you want to use paper then @celest coyote
celest coyote
idk, you don't know about paper
bronze bobcat
true. i was just wondering since you guys basically said its better in every way
i didnt know if there were any drawbacks
celest coyote
sometimes there are some plugin incompatabilities but they are very rare and usually fixed quickly
bronze bobcat
so would i have to do anything different? or do i just slap the jar in replacement for my spigot jar
rain timber
warped spear
ok turns out shenandoah with java 12 is way faster for 1.14.4 from my testing so far
trying the 8 port rn
actuall seems even faster
lime venture
@bronze bobcat just drop the jar in as a replacement
it will make a paper.yml file
it has some more options for you to configure
but by default it shouldn't override anything set in bukkit.yml or spigot.yml unless you specifically tell it to
lime venture
folllow this
it gives some explanations of what the options do, as well as recommended settings
for paper.yml as well as all the other config files
bronze bobcat
thank you!
drifting kraken
rest in peace my server
became target of some racketeers calling themselves the minecraft mafia, i don't have the ability right now due to sudden decline in health to secure the server, so they were hitting it with entry-level DoS attacks and griefing attacks and succeeding
peak dirge
and after much pain and suffering, a FreeBSD machine running the Canyon CI (and eventually website) has arisen
hooligans
that's who they are
drifting kraken
yeah i know
peak dirge
you made the right choice, I think
drifting kraken
they demanded money and i don't really feel like securing or digging to report rn
actual crime, they could be stopped probably quickly with a fat set of raids, and i have enough info in the logs to start on the tracking journey, but i cbf to track down teenage racketeers rn over ruining a server with two active users and demanding $15 to get them to stop
but they ran a lot of commands that mightve damaged my server hardware cause that's how insecure my server was, and if they did then it's fucking on
upper flicker
who the fuck hits a server and holds it ransom for $15
drifting kraken
children
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$15 
drifting kraken
it wasnt a ransom attack, it was a racket
they came in beforehand saying what they'd do if i didn't pay them protection money
and then they did it
but yeah, i joined this discord cause of my server and now that's gone, so i'm gonna head out
nice convos here, bye
void void
Using WP's Rest API to show posts without having to suffer PHP \o/ https://jacob.engineer/blog/post/hello-world
proud lance
probably because people will probably be more likely to pay $15 than $500
hot gorge
Not better than PCP
void void
true
what did you do to my website bitch
Oh lol, I deleted that post :-)
I need to show a 404
Fuck it I'll do it later
peak dirge
@void void I'm finally kinda getting somewhere with Canyon now lol
void void
:o
peak dirge
I found a Discord dedicated to pre-1.0.0 MC releases, and they like it... but I have to support mods.
void void
what are they using to mod beta versions?
peak dirge
There's like three frameworks, but the primary choice is ModLoaderMP, followed up by Minecraft Forge
I should just get a Discord for Canyon up again
void void
there @void void https://jacob.engineer/blog/post/hello-from-wordpress
wrote a real post instead of the WP default
lol
is it static or is the server fetching it on request?
fetching
wp rest api
but all the cool kids are using gatsby to render static html
static files are the NEW BIG THING
upper flicker
static files are bae
void void
cba, way easier to write in a cms and have it appear how i want it to lmao ;p
dont wanna ssh/ftp and add html
peak dirge
netlify
just push to a repo and it does the build for you
void void
no logic allowed here
yeah you usually use markdown and some ci
STOP RUINING MY DREAMS YOU ASSHOLES
upper flicker
scripts m8
void void
just make sure you're transpiling tons of 2019 ecmascript
upper flicker
tbh really nothing wrong with wordpress or other CMS systems
void void
all the cool devs use the latest language features
upper flicker
as long as theyre done right anyway
upper flicker
now if you write some angular react catastrophe that loads so much JS and third party resources the whole renderer starts skipping frames
cant help you there
void void
typescript?
no fuck typescript
it's just JS with more pain
its typing system is ass
webdev is wild
oh, also added post thumbs; just hadn't added one, there we go https://f.jacob.engineer/DkuC49L9.png
basicbitch.jpg
upper flicker
reeeee the one time we add a toggle for a fix people still bitch
void void
the zerotick one?
upper flicker
yes
upper flicker
so simple
are you gonna be the new wordpress guy
gonna cash in making wp sites for randoms on discord?
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mfw deleting gh comments
upper flicker
tbh probably more lucrative than my sarcasm implies
upper flicker
who deleted a GH comment?
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FocuzJS
upper flicker
oh so they did
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ye
upper flicker
github will auto refresh for new stuff
but not for removing old stuff
I want my money back
wait
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he nuked one of em
upper flicker
yeah I refreshed and now its gone
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gith b
upper flicker
leafhub when
ancient bolt
github is dum
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ancient bolt
actually I'm being forced to use stash / bitbucket at work
and god I wish I could use github
upper flicker
not a fan of stash at all
ancient bolt
github is just so much better
upper flicker
Dont mind GitHub
ancient bolt
the review tools in stash are just so far behind
upper flicker
cant stand stash
ancient bolt
well PRs in general
ancient bolt
I actually like github
upper flicker
eh
ancient bolt
esp for organizations the code review tools in github work really well
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gh is great
upper flicker
theyre trending in the right direction
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it has emojis
upper flicker
leaf all about that gitmoji now
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the reactions z
ancient bolt
it's also nice for some orgs to be able to just make a couple of their repos public to have an open source presence
but that's super minor
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although 
"let normies review"
upper flicker
theyve still got the community
that's their biggest asset
they'd have to fuck up pretty royal to mess it up
ancient bolt
when the microsoft purchase happened and gitlab saw a 9000% increase in user activity and account creation
I think it was confirmed that github didn't see any drop at all?
or it was only like 2%
upper flicker
most people I know may have gone out and made orgs and users on gitlab
I dont think a ton actually like quit it
upper flicker
definitely not as many as the internet randoms thought
ancient bolt
but github is still better than gitlab imo
upper flicker
yeah and even if we had moved I still wouldnt have killed my GH
upper flicker
Gitlab CI is bae
upper flicker
I mean in a lot of ways it doesnt compare against your own box
ancient bolt
I set up some really complex build pipelines and had like 4 issue requests pinned that I kept checking to see when they got fixed
upper flicker
but it sure does beat out GH and the weird plugin not a plugin third party thing they have
ancient bolt
I think 2 got resolved and I was able to make some hacks to get around the other two
but the hacks were still really ugly compared to just using Jenkins properly
upper flicker
Actions looks interesting but not super comparable imo yet
ancient bolt
the cool thing about actions is how easy it is to share builds imo
though it suffers the same way go does in that by using git as your dep management there's no guarantee a commit or tag won't change
ancient bolt
wat
upper flicker
well, I suppose it does if you stage everything right
and setup the system that way
you could probably still really not guarantee much if you trusted just a tag
ancient bolt
tag is the most stable thing you can point to I think
unless you can point to a commit hash itself
does GH ever GC unreachable commits?
upper flicker
think you'd want to combine the two on your own side
GH doesnt afaik
there's no reason they couldnt
ancient bolt
I mean microsoft owns them so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
upper flicker
but if you only built it in a way that could use GH (which would be stupid)
I guess it'd not matter
btw teams self installed on my work pc today
and my domain account cant actually use it
so thanks microsoft
ancient bolt
I wanna see if I can move some of my builds from appveyor and travis to actions
likely won't actually change
just curious if it's mature enough to actually work
upper flicker
If its comparable to travis (so doesnt really need to much) I'd switch over
ancient bolt
teams as in the skyp thing?
upper flicker
more like slack at the moment
rumors they want to replace skype for business with it in teh future
not really there atm
ancient bolt
I havne't looked at the pricing for actions yet, if the free tier is good enough maybe
travis and appveyor are both completely free for open source which is nice
don't need to worry about build times or whatever
upper flicker
yeah, admittedly I havent spent a lot of time looking at actions
hard to justify moving something that works fine to something that may also work just fine when there's a bunch of other stuff to do
ancient bolt
I think you have a set amount of build time / month before you have to pay
so it's not like free for open source
just that it has a free tier
it's so easy to host shit open source these days
nexus repos with bintray, all the CI in the world, github pages
can do all kinds of shit with just a github repo
ancient bolt
AWS free tier isn't amazing but it can work for simple stuff too
you have to apply for the beta separately as an org btw
if you have it paper can't have it until you apply as paper
ancient bolt
my org went quicker than mine
dunno why
I wonder if it's just a random selection
I doubt they really have any kind of heuristic
ancient bolt
well i really need to go to sleepso bye
upper flicker
o/
serene bolt
I applied and got into the actions beta in like less than a week on both org and personal account
(assuming your talking about that)
upper flicker
apparently paper is in the beta now too
not sure when that happened
clearly very attentive to my inbox
and yeah thats what we're on about
serene bolt
with how many github emails flood my inbox from all the different repos i'm notified on, I tend to not notice any official github emails ever lol
upper flicker
I turned off the email spam
for the longest time I had it being filtered into a separate folder but I never read them or used them or searched them so
serene bolt
I have like thousands upon thousands of emails from the spigot staff email being filtered into its own folder, i probably have more emails in that one folder than my entire primary
safe tide
Anyone know a good tutorial for setting up the debugger if you you IJ and maven to build?
void void
i think theres one on the spigot wiki
warped spear
give shenandoah gc its way faster than g1gc so far from my testing
peak kite
my Multiverse Porals were not working properly, making me port to a random location... then i found the portal search radius setting..
Apparently portaling from small worlds radius 2000 to large worlds radius 20000, The default search radius is too small for those worlds.
void void
i don't think you're understanding
that has info on portalling mechanics, paper just lets you change the 128 radius
peak kite
coincidences suck. because the portals started working after i tried that. the poral search setting is also in multiverse settings...
warped spear
has anyone tried using zgc on minecraft yet
serene bolt
I have in Java 11, and didn't seem amazing. but I'm fairly certain Java 12 and 13 have made big steps towards making it better, in theory it's going to be incredible once it's fully complete
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LUL
sometimes I 🤔 about using epsilon on micro benchmarks
I've seen some very interesting results by switching
safe tide
If I'm using the debugger do I need to have my plugin jar in the plugins folder of the server?
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you need your plugin loaded
safe tide
so yes I need it in the plugins folder
B/c this is what my debug config looks like https://gyazo.com/ea40d1a5fc790c458cdc820fbcdddebc
and my startup for the server which is outside of the workspace is java -Xmx2G -Xms2G -agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n,address=5005 -DIReallyKnowWhatIAmDoingISwear -jar ./spigot-1.14.4.jar and that didn't seem to work
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and the java version for the server?
safe tide
should be 8
it's w/e my laptops is lemme check that
1.8.0_144
So I am a bit behind
Any ideas?
hard viper
[8:51] Z750: Ive used epsilon gc with MC
[8:51] Z750: works really really well
[8:51] Z750: until it doesnt
You just need more heap. 1tb should be enough to run minecraft for like a hour. Perfect for a reusable minigame instance server 😄
native thunder
How much is 1tb of ddr4 anyways
peak kite
speed matters
peak kite
128gig x 8 slots = 1024gig at 2666mhz 959.99/stick = 7,679$
https://www.newegg.com/nemix-ram-128gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/1X5-003Z-00MF0?Description=1x128GB&cm_re=1x128GB-_-9SIA7S67BJ1942-_-Product
peak kite
and u need a server board to support that much/ram single stick size...
void void
well prplz estimate has high end 293k left so
peak kite
kik
but thats some hella fast 1TB
i guess tho intel has optane that might compete
and be much cheaper per gig
they show pcie ssd's raided for optimal optane, but u need to buy a hardware key for intels raid. so they might steal some of your savings in using pcie ssd raid as cpu ram. the cmos config allows m.2 interface for cpu ram also.
peak kite
NEVERMIND.
Intel® Optane™ memory requires Windows 10 64-bit to be used as a system accelerator.
INTEL, you and microsoft are F***ING MONOPOLIES, both of you should go to hell.
native thunder
Optane doesn't compare to ram in speed at all
peak kite
yea, latency is ns vs us i guess it just helps dram not replace it. but its totally garbage since its win10 only. and their RST software.. at one point they supported linux with it didn't they? perhaps when it was called IAA.
native thunder
It's meant to help spinning disks
peak kite
don't even mention the game of russian roulete they make you play when you try to download the PROPER version of the chipset installer and the rst installer. they make the end user literally scroll thru a text file and find their obscure chipset number, ... and if you don't know where to start you are paging through many versions. Its too easy to just simply have the chipset product page link to the ONLY correct software that it works with, instead they dump you to all the downloads and make you try each one....
native thunder
It's basically supposed to be an opaque ssd cache
peak kite
spinning.. lol lawsuits... stop using them you damn environment killers, gretta is gonna use her eyeballz to burn out your platters.
native thunder
Wut
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that's the diff from master -> ver/1.14
serene bolt
I like how they went through the trouble of doing that for a feature request
void void
when an issue starts with You need
kinda demotivates you to fix it
YOU NEED TO FIX THIS
quasi valley
You must exert what you have been destined to
serene bolt
requests? nah, we do DEMANDS here
void void
YOU NED TO AD FEATURE
peak kite
YOU NEED TO WORK FOR FREE. NOW.
FIX MY SERVER LAG NOW
void void
HERe IS TIMINGS, FIX
woven otter
FIX PLS
peak kite
favorite game.... trash... only runs in win and i don't care anymore. m$ is $atan, and intel is its B!tc# and all the soft can go with it.
Half-life.minecraft.transportfever.4life.steamlinuxos At least steam is trying.. any others ? origin, uplay, battlenet? ....
peak kite
^looks around^ me? look at that guy...
jade gulch
limber knotBOT
roflmao
so
I bought an expensive gaming chair
the carrier lost the package
the shop sent me another one
today I got the missing package
I now have two expensive gaming chairs
Haha
noblechairs?
secretlab titan
oof
the were the most easily available for my height
you short?
titan
I'm 6'1
I mean, my noblechairs is great and I'm 6'5
for some reason most gaming chairs stop short of 6'
Weird
unpleasant, even
but hey
got mine
I contacted the shop to see if they want it back
I might get to keep it
not 100% sure of what to do with it if they do
hmmmm
maybe just a spare very high quality chair
nice
oops I'm bleeding
but from where
aha, knee
I know when I bought my noblechairs they also sold different height gas lifts, down to like -5cm
I bought a secretlab simply because I found out they had free shipping to portugal which is a rarity
like, seriously rare
opaque marlin
heady spear
We ship trashy tourists there for basically free
You can more of them if you want, they’re not allowed in Spain anymore
native thunder
I'm 6 feet and my headrest doesn't go high enough for me to use it :(
I had to remove it
crisp marsh
quasi valley
your head or the headrest?
vestal jasper
yes
native thunder
You decide
granite pasture
how do i give users on my server access to commands from essentialsx?
quasi valley
.g essentialsx wiki
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quasi valley
by giving them the relevant permissions (as listed in the wiki)
granite pasture
how do i assing the perimissions though? do i need other plugins for that?
quasi valley
I think you can also define default perms in ess' config
else yea, plugins like LuckPerms
limber knotBOT
*sips tea *
quasi valley
pours tea down the toilet
limber knotBOT
Horrible person
granite pasture
I got luckperms and setup the default group with a few permissions and made sure everyone has it but they still cant access the commands
limber knotBOT
That deserves capital punishment
quasi valley
I'll establish the spill-the-tea foundation
lukas, you're probably better off getting help on either essx or luckperms discord servers
merry talon
https://github.com/ayust/underhanded @cosmic raft
fleet glen
dusk drift
dude fucking energy drinks are fucking me over
90% of my drinks are Monster Hydro and I'm fucking my self over
celest coyote
stop being a retard then
void void
drink a water idiot
void void
learn to swim silly
quasi valley
yeah it contains the vewy dangerous Dihydrogen monoxide !
serene bolt
There's monoxide in my water? 
golden gust
And dihydrogen too
Like, that's the shit which blew up at fukashima
And that's in the water we drink!
native thunder
100% of people who drink dihydrogen monoxide die!
Be careful
Always check labels
vestal jasper
if you consume enough dihydrogen monoxide in a small time window you will die
raw night
water explosion
languid badger
dusk drift
I can't stop drinking hydro tho
and it doesn't even do anything to me in terms of energy
just nice to drink
¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
Relentless is my poison recently
Monster is just bleh, it works, but like, there are about.. I can count the number of drinks I prefer to avoid much easier than I can count drinks which taste better than monster
I'd have to take my socks off for that
void void
I prefer hydroxylic acid
whole saddle
native thunder
Part of the fun is that acidic burn on the way down
That's how you know it's the good shit
merry talon
energy drinks are too intense for me
what I need to be careful with is the coffee lol
void void
i can chug coffee endlessly
golden gust
As a Brit, I'm basically immune to caffeine
quasi valley
noone:
brits: oight m8 le's chug som of that tea
limber knotBOT
Brits have an awful selection of tea
quasi valley
what's the most precious tea in your opinion
golden gust
Most of use tea drinkers generally just stick to brown tea
dusk drift
as a brit, I wish tea/coffee/energy drinks did something to me...
I litterallyy can't do anything to stay awake
quasi valley
I heard that sleep is pretty good against being tired as well
quasi valley
2/10
dusk drift
I'm sleeping at 7am recently
wide chasm
Discord user resolves sleep problems with this one simple trick. Doctors hate him!
dusk drift
sucks ass
celest coyote
limber knotBOT
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wide chasm
lol
quasi valley
"let me just paste this in here - don't worry, I'll explain it later"
never actually explains it
wide chasm
opens Notepad
types instructions very slowly
deletes instructions very slowly
writes code at 100 WPM
severe wharf
void void
lmao this poor kid in my geog class
Prof: "Eugene what are they speaking in Korea"
(in Korean) Korean
Prof: "...can we say (in English) Korean"
uhm, ok
merry talon
I have a kettle on the way from amazon right now to dive into the world of tea
I had some twinings samples and discovered it could be much better than generic tetley lol
merry talon
I have, that's one of my favorites
london fogs especially
TIL that was invented here in vancouver
wide chasm
Earl grey is pretty good.
limber knotBOT
I swear sometimes people act so dumb I feel ashamed for being of the same species
woven otter
OnLy 600mb
upper flicker
Yeah well that’s fine for me but for people with normal workstations that’s gonna be monkaS
hearty wing
warped spear
So I just read a rather interesting paper
you can run scheduling off a gpu
for real time task usage essentially
unreal quarry
pretty sure 8gb is the normal minimum for workstations these days
i mean, i dont even see laptops with less than that anymore
celest coyote
I don't consider 8GB laptops unless I can upgrade it to 16 or more
wide chasm
Mine has 8, but upgradeable to 32. Not that I've upgraded it yet, though.
raw night
i am a nerd... i had to upgrade mine from 8 to 16 just to gain the dual channel speed
warped spear
i have 16 non upgradable but thats fine cause it has a nvme for caching
dual channel or bust
if you don't have nvme drive yet one its so worth it
peak pond
void void
guys
waren
is spigot plugins will work with papermc?
is yes
100 percent?
unless dev is retard
then yes
HAHAHA
if dev is retard, no, in which case, you should not use it anyway
alright but mostly all the popular one out there would work?
such as essentials
luckperms
towny
something like that
wide chasm
Yes
void void
I'm planning to migrate our server from spigot to papermc
my friend recommend this
I was shocked because they have only 1GB of RAM but its not so lag
but in my server we have 4GB of ram but everything is laggy
that's why I see the huge difference
dusk drift
99.5% of plugins work on Paper just fine
warped spear
paper is much much faster
void void
thank you!
warped spear
also async chunk loading
dusk drift
There is a few like EpicWorldGen but they add extra support for paper so its all good
raw night
(imho) paper is way better/faster on the same hardware and i never met a retarded plugin
dusk drift
Paper > Spigot
warped spear
paper is spigot but a higher performance not crappy version of it
raw night
on the other hand ive seen plugins (worldborder) that work even better
raw night
i have zero experience with that so i dont know
warped spear
if it works on spigot or bukkit it will work on paper
dusk drift
99.9% of the time*
void void
got it brothers
warped spear
unless the dev is retarded in which case avoid it cause it probably has a memory leak
void void
hahaha I will report everything if I met a retard plugin haha
little rapids
raw night
also try to remove any lag removal plugins.
void void
such as clearlagg?
void void
why?
dusk drift
for goodness sake
raw night
yes. paper is fine without those
warped spear
also try the redhat build of openjdk
void void
when papermc comes?
raw night
they usually cause the lag by trying to remove lag
warped spear
and use Shenandoah gc
lag removal plugin are really only good 5% of the time
i like mob stacking personannally
dusk drift
React is the only good one that I know of
raw night
i am only using hexed's antipillagers plugin and works wonders
dusk drift
:3
raw night
my only anti-lag plugin with RED COLORS
just to scare me that something went wrong when the server starts lol
golden gust
raw night
(keep them. i am teasing you)
warped spear
try shenedoah gc if your on 1.14 or later
void void
thank you guys for your help I'm gonna switch to papermc now
golden gust
General gist is that the general purpose performance plugins, e.g. clearlagg, try to do things which the server already does more effiently, or try to counteract the symtoms of your configuration; You'll get much better overall performance out of a properly configured server
raw night
PhantomGaming27249 what flags ? i am not aware
golden gust
Reacts performance is horrible
void void
what is waterfall?
golden gust
I've seen cases where react is literally the sole thing lagging a server to death
Fork of bungeecord
warped spear
you need a special version of java to use it
golden gust
Used to network servers together
warped spear
its called redhat
void void
gets thank you
warped spear
dusk drift
depends how you use it cat but it only helps me
raw night
aww PhantomGaming27249 thank you
warped spear
you need this version cause its a special gc algorithm
but its much faster than g1gc
around 90% faster actually
also these should work with this
golden gust
.j9flags
limber knotBOT
warped spear
these flags are specifically for red hat openjdk use
-Xms2048M -Xmx8192M -XX:+UnlockExperimentalVMOptions -XX:+UseShenandoahGC -XX:+AlwaysPreTouch -XX:+UseTransparentHugePages -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=100 -XX:+ExplicitGCInvokesConcurrent -XX:+ParallelRefProcEnabled -XX:ShenandoahUncommitDelay=10000 -XX:ShenandoahGuaranteedGCInterval=60000
void void
And if you have special knowledge that those flags are better for redhat jdk, then make a blog post (with benches) and distribute it otherwise credibility is extremely low.
warped spear
do i need to make my own blog or is there a blog post for this
void void
you need your own blog lol
warped spear
ok cool
golden gust
If you're tryna sell stuff, it's generally a good idea to tell what you're tryna sell
warped spear
from early testing so far its really good for 1.14.4
golden gust
e.g. why do those flags work well with MCs memory usage?
void void
"really good" is not enough
we need benchmarks, whys, hows, internals
phantom, you can host your blog on github sites
warped spear
ok will do
void void
using jekyll for example
or do what i did and write a full fucking nuxt app proxying to wp rest
:^)
( 😭 )
warped spear
i have been testing on client so far, will test on server soon
warped spear
but from preliminary testing it seems to be better in regards to 1.14.4 stutter
much worse in 1.12.2
void void
ok but still...like "seems to be better" is not a proper analysis and credibility is really low, so like, pls stop just saying people should use it without backing it up
warped spear
well using optifines lagometer to monitor tick speed and stutter
it goes from a peaky and jumpy graph to damn near flat
void void
TRAP
golden gust
Simples fave
void void
limber knotBOT
its a trap xD
golden gust
A plugin modified an itemstack improperly
limber knotBOT
uh
warped spear
plugin crashing server cause bad code
limber knotBOT
what should the plugin have done?
golden gust
Basically, a plugin made the item turn into air more or less
warped spear
which is bad
dusk drift
I like air
golden gust
(i.e. set the count to 0)
The server then tried to decrement the count because it was used, and boom
void void
TRAP
dusk drift
WRAP
golden gust
It's one of those annoying stupid areas which CB handles so grossly and can't really be cleanly fixed without changing behavior there
limber knotBOT
where should i look? block place event?
golden gust
interact event more than likely
limber knotBOT
ok i will have a look
warped spear
@void void what test should i conduct for good analysis of the gc
unreal quarry
run minecraft
dusk drift
run billy
void void
run a profiler lol
warped spear
ok will do
void void
im not going to tell you how to analyze and write a blog post about this
you want to claim flags are better omg amazeballs
do the work and prove it
otherwise you have no business making these claims
dusk drift
I've got some good flags
warped spear
i just mean what should i look for in particular
void void
...
warped spear
i was looking at fps and stutter on client
floral merlin
warped spear
is server any different
floral merlin
hello
void void
this is fucking chromosome levels
warped spear
i recommend them cause from early testing they seemed better from 1.14.4
void void
ok. please, stop recommending shit
unreal quarry
TBF, single player runs a server instance behind the client
void void
you do not know what you're talking about
unreal quarry
runs away
warped spear
ok so the performance boost may carry over
wide chasm
Well, if you used FPS and stutter for measurements, likely not. The server doesn't have a concept of FPS really.
warped spear
its timing correct
well atleast on paper (no pun intended) Shenandoah was designed for the lowest possible latency
void void
the flags help the gc and memory management. you're looking for how often gc runs and how hard it hits, memory pressure, memory performance etc.
has nothing to do with the client
unreal quarry
my server gives over 300 FPS
warped spear
ok cool, i just wanted to know what data i should collect for my eventual post
dusk drift
wowe
void void
.kill Billy
limber knotBOT
throws Billy to Cthulu and watches them get ripped to shreds.
void void
dear god...
tawdry coyote
nvm i cant red
dusk drift
red
unreal quarry
pretty sure redhat is an enterprise distro of linux
warped spear
it is but they also have a windows openjdk fork
which is why what i even tried is possible
void void
lol :/
this is almost insulting to people who actually have done research and know what they're talking about
unreal quarry
why that one and not adopt?
warped spear
from what i understand this particular gc only runs under the redhat fork
like they created it
warped spear
yes
unreal quarry
goes back to other stuffs
dusk drift
warped spear
if your on window redhat is the only option
void void
Shenandoah is a Java 12 feature in general. It is not redhat specific. Please stop being a fucking retard
dusk drift
SIMPLE
warped spear
well its redhat specific if you want a java 8 version with it
void void
I...
dusk drift
Love
void void
okay, I have other things to do
wide chasm
So, why exactly do we have shenandoah or whatever as a gc now? Like, wasn't the Z garbage collector relatively new?
pulsar wigeon
warped spear
z is better if your using massive heaps
wide chasm
Well, that'd at least explain why they increased the max from 4 TB to 16 TB in Java 13.
warped spear
shen is good works on most sized more reliably
at the hit of slightly more overhead
both are latency over throughput approaches
also shen does compacting concurrently
zgc is for like data center stuff
shen is more general use friendly
wide chasm
I see
unreal quarry
void void
stef, just in case youre missing context, take some serious grains of salt with what this dude says
its coming directly out of his ass
in a constant, liquid stream
wide chasm
I've read the previous messages
warped spear
the only reason i decided to mention it here was i was messing around with it for 1.14.4 and it seems to do better than g1gc atleast in single player, but i will be testing it on the server later
unreal quarry
cerulean thicket
is there somewhere i can read up on how nether portals work, this old fart doesn't understand how my portal almost 1km away from someone else's portal still links to the same nether portal
void void
1024 blocks (in vanilla)
quasi valley
try the minecraft wiki
void void
divide overworld distance by 7 and you have nether distance, so if they were any closer in overworld they would be far too close in the nether
its 7 right
8
quasi valley
I think 8
void void
ah
cerulean thicket
oof that means i'm just shy of the distance i need to be
viscid temple
final wedge
limber knotBOT
sup
void void
pus
woven otter
ur
void void
no
woven otter
yes
woven otter
🍲
ashen cliff
woven otter
fire could do the job
ashen cliff
Nah. Sweeping egde.
void void
any recommended plugins for roleplay server?
pulsar wigeon
a bed
void void
any reference server for roleplay?
woven otter
runescape
blissful sonnet
woven otter
yes
quasi valley
no
void void
also > reference server
does that mean "something i can copy word 4 word to get up asap"
does that mean "something i can copy word 4 word to get up asap"
To get an idea on what roleplay looks like in Minecraft
I originally runs a server for GTAV Roleplay.... so I am looking a ways to bring it to Minecraft
void void
thanks
warped spear
does paper have a bundled java version if so how do i change that
golden gust
no
warped spear
also for what ever reason the server will start but won't give me an output
warped spear
i also tried using start.bat
that also failed for whatever reason
worked last time i did a server
unreal quarry
it probably failed because the port is already in use
because you double clicked the jar
warped spear
so just remake the server then
warped spear
i alreay did
unreal quarry
this is why they should teach "how to computer 101" in grade school. why they dont is beyond me :S
warped spear
literally don't have anything running right now
unreal quarry
then run the start.bat
warped spear
i did but it didn't output anything
unreal quarry
then the contents of your script is fucked
golden gust
is your jar file called paperclip?
warped spear
yes
quasi valley
Well that won’t keep the screen open
golden gust
edit the bat file and add PAUSE onto the last line
warped spear
before or after java
unreal quarry
add a new line to the end
warped spear
like end or beginiing
unreal quarry
java -jar paperclip.jar
PAUSE
maybe they should teach "how to read 101" alongside "how to computer 101", too
unreal quarry
you know PAUSE literally didnt do anything to help make the server run or not...
what it does is stop the command prompt from closing after the java process ends
warped spear
the server runs
unreal quarry
so, if the server is "working now" then it never even made it to the PAUSE in the script
quasi valley
Yeah he literally just explained why
quasi valley
Screw you discord for not allowing the text commands on mobile
warped spear
ok so what am I doing wrong then
unreal quarry
nothing, now
warped spear
ok
celest coyote
please restart your computer right now if its not starting
its the simplist remedy if you double clicked it
unreal quarry
see.. let me break it down..
- you double clicked the jar. This runs the server, but in a headless state. you wont see the console.
- you thought it was broke, so you used start.bat like you should have. But it errored because port was in use (from #1). but it closed the terminal since your script didnt have a PAUSE.
- we told you to kill the java process and run the bat. You said you did. but that the bat was still broken. So we told you to add the PAUSE to it so we can see what the problem was.
- you said PAUSE fixed it and server works fine now. But that is false because all it does is keep the terminal open AFTER the java process it ran ends...
so, all and all, PAUSE did not fix it. running the bat AFTER killing java fixed it.
zealous knot
L E G
unreal quarry
you just got everything all twitsted in your little head
warped spear
ok thank you
quasi valley
Please just don’t
merry talon
the hell
unreal quarry
rip irc users.
quasi valley
Well that were some horrible 5 seconds 😂
unreal quarry
i would say dont click on that link, but that just makes people click on that link more
quasi valley
Click it to win a free iPhone
limber knotBOT
This is so sad can we get an F in the chat
zealous knot
zealous knot
❤
limber knotBOT
GOG Galaxy 2.0 closed beta looks sexy :D
void void
your dick can't tell the difference
what about... tail
wait
✂
ye problemo solverino
static badge
void void
@zealous knot can you please me that pic i need that for epic shitposting
dm me that pic*
zealous knot
Ah, I see you're a man of culture
unreal quarry
smh. i should have banned instead of just kicked
austere ivy
@stiff yarrow what happened to your beautiful blue face D: it’s now.. skin colored!! What is this wizardry???
stiff yarrow
Trying out the whole face avatar thing 😎
austere ivy
hmm I’ll try that
unreal quarry
my face is most beautifulest. i had to remove it because its epicness was harmful to others
woven otter
what did fix do
austere ivy
not on discord, I must preserve my wonderful avatar
warped spear
anyone have any suggestions for a good jvm profiler?
so far jprofiler isn't playing nicely ith paper
ashen cliff
JVisualVM.
Paper can also dump memory from what I remember. So you can analyze it later.
Also look at my pretty avatar, looking directly into your soul.
unreal quarry
I recommend YourKit, but I doubt you can afford it ^_^
warped spear
it depends how much is that
unreal quarry
.g how much does yourkit cost
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) https://www.yourkit.com/purchase/ -- YourKit Java Profiler - Performance and Memory Java...: "This is the most cost effective option if you need a license for more than 2 seats. ... Floating license allows to install as many copies as you..."
void void
yk is easy to get lmao
unreal quarry
its one of the best ¯_(ツ)_/¯
void void
just link it up with your random java project on github
say that you need to profile it
void void
warped spear
i got it to run so far it seems much faster on server too
but now i need the profiler to confirm
void void
.g shenodah gc clojure
static badge
just noting that testing GC on applications is one hell of a pain in the ass
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) http://clojure-goes-fast.com/blog/shenandoah-in-production/ -- Shenandoah GC in production: experience report - Clojure...: "May 7, 2019 ... In this post, I'd like to describe my experience using Shenandoah GC on a real project at Grammarly that was moderately demanding..."
static badge
do you know how many variables go into that
void void
.translate shenandoah
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) The Translate API is off in the Google Developers Console.
warped spear
i had forgotten how to make a correct bat file forgive me its been like 2 years since i have made a server
golden gust
Personally, I use yourkit, jprofiler should be fine too
Only real concern around profilers and mc is the that the 50ms tick loop is too tight for sampling (and profiling as a whole is waaay to expensive)
unreal quarry
Depends. Which perspective you want? Server owner/technical perspective? Or user/player perspective?
Then it's the same as 1.14
(so far)
void void
@void void i dun did it again, those are wordpress pages now https://jacob.engineer/portfolio
😂
"(super cool)"
im marketing myself mkay fuck off
ugh debian
there's no buildbot-www package
why the fuck...
warped spear
ok so i have managed to get it to profile this is good
void void
lol