i followed i guide that explained how
#general
candid wren
lime venture
if you actually are shooting to have 60 players on a 1.14.4 survival server
the most CPU you can possibly get your hands on is what you need
solar hatch
Lol, 60 1.14.4
lime venture
shoot for about 4 cores, maybe up to 6 if using something like dynmap. you want a ton of single threaded performance
like a fuckton of single thread performance
solar hatch
Most lag you'll get will be from mobs, ple
candid wren
i was thinking of paying for a host on sparkedhost or pebblehost
lime venture
yeah cut that mob count down and make sure you optimize paper's async chunk settings
solar hatch
Pebblehost is really bad
lime venture
don't try and use a VPS, bare metal performance is what you need. you want a dedicated server with a lot of CPU
candid wren
@solar hatch thanks for the advise
lime venture
not a high core count xeon, low core count high speed
16 gigs of server ram is probably a decent starting point for that many players. make sure you have the ability to up to 32 if you start running low on memory but with a view distance of 5-6 it might suffice
solar hatch
You may wanna also straight up remove water animals (fish entities) and bats/ambient mobs
candid wren
ok i will do that
lime venture
make sure you get a host with good network performance and a high enough bandwidth cap
my server has maybe 20 players during peak hours most days and uses about 3-4TB / month
solar hatch
also, I'm curious, does paper have an option for how often mobs get ticked?
lime venture
I don't believe so but you can decrease tick rate for some other stuff
mob spawners, grass, etc.
solar hatch
That's kinda sad
candid wren
yes i will, its a bit hard for me because im from latin america, and the ones with less ping for me are a bit expensive, but sparkedhost, has location in miami wich works good for me
golden gust
entity activation range will tick mobs out of the range of players less
lime venture
you may want to look into using waterfall and putting overworld on one server and and nether / end on another server
split the main thread up
candid wren
i found this plugin some days ago: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/entitytrackerfixer-fix-1-14-4-entitytick-lag.70902/ but its in development and i dont know if it works that good
also i dont know if paper already has that function
solar hatch
Honestly, if you plan to have 60 players, it may just be better to have your own server
lime venture
Just so you know renting a server that powerful will cost hundreds of dollars a month
candid wren
@lime venture is there a way to make players do nether portals and sending them to another server?
@solar hatch i will think that
icy pewter
;
lime venture
@candid wren Yes, that's possible with plugins
I don't know what your budget is but this server will be extremely expensive, and it will be hard for you to generate revenue with the server, especially in accordance with mojang's eula
Going with a dedicated server will work for a while assuming you can find one powerful enough, and that will allow you to scale up/down depending on your actual player and performance numbers
then if/when you get a stable player base going, you might consider renting rack space and purchasing the server parts outright
wraith oracle
I can't believe Github actually added multiline comments
It's been years since I've wanted this feature
peak kite
If each person donates 100$ average, you can buy the fastest server core available, and host it yerself.
Get a i9 (extreme edition ideally), find the fastest 4 cores, overclock/voltage lock them, run the os on a few stable cores with no overclock, turn off all other cores , ,
taskset (or what you like) the java to the 4 fast cores.
Fan overclocked limited super core server.
peak dirge
The Modification Station folks and the /r/GoldenAgeMinecraft folks seem to like the idea of Canyon... so deeper I go
fiery swift
ancient bolt
huh
well I think I got the popup tab complete window working well enough for me to be happy with it
peak dirge
Currently teaching some people how to use the patch system
tawdry coyote
teach me too
peak dirge
Do you know Java?
If so, https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md will help you
tawdry coyote
Oh I thought you meant you were goin into like the deep internals of the patching system. honestly, I just really need to learn more about git than just the basics. but so much to do, no time to do it
but to answer your initial question, yes I do know java
cosmic raft
peak kite
What doesn't kill ya, makes you stronger pisses you off.
ancient bolt
yeah this tab complete thing pisses me off
ncurses doesn't handle ESC very easily
because - of course - ESC is represented by the same code that starts most function keys, arrows, ctrl, alt, etc
ancient bolt
got something that seems to work decently well
need to actually implement some kind of actual tab complete now i suppose
but ill do that later
ancient bolt
what do you mean?
peak kite
that reminds me of sikulix scary magic. http://sikulix.com/ cool
pulsar wigeon
like, it uses tab complete events or w/e?
ancient bolt
yeah
ancient bolt
pulsar wigeon
do /help instead :^)
ancient bolt
fucking WE
pulsar wigeon
all you need is click event support
ancient bolt
just has to be special
pulsar wigeon
i mean
pulsar wigeon
bukkit's help system really doesn't facilitate good help text
ancient bolt
we'll see
pulsar wigeon
lol
ancient bolt
like that would be dope
idk if it will output click events to the console sender though
pulsar wigeon
yea it would
ancient bolt
will have to play with that later
pulsar wigeon
yea
ancient bolt
that will probably be a thing to do after I get the initial impl done
pulsar wigeon
atm WG just cuts them all out for console menus
and makes text verbose instead of mouseovers, etc
WE doesn't use too many click things other than pagination
ancient bolt
I'll say when I started this project
I never thought I'd
- get this far
and 2. implement fucking ansi parsing https://github.com/PaperMC/paperd/blob/feature/console/src/console/ansi.rs
and now I have tab complete stuff done and not pushed up on my desktop and status bar stuff done and not pushed up on my macbook
need to get my shit together
pulsar wigeon
it's ok no one here has their shit together
void void
Vibe check
pulsar wigeon
especially barty
pulsar wigeon
he literally just sells loots crates to 9 year olds using their mom's credit card
to support his crack habits
static badge
I don't see denial 
pulsar wigeon
leaf ur exceptions are literally all over github
static badge
ok mr 'i need a jira for all mine'
pulsar wigeon
the only reason you contribute so much to paper is that you made one big change and have been fixing ur own bugs ever since
poor Z has to sift through your ๐ฎ all the time
static badge
tbh that's a good 20 prs
peak kite
....personal note, don't read chat backwards, it doesn't work the same.
@ancient bolt does paperd as a system service still launch the jar file?
pulsar wigeon
as opposed to?
manually creating a jvm in system memory and manually creating its classpath in memory?
peak kite
using the protocol only.
static badge
his code obvious opens a client connection
pulsar wigeon
JaaS? java as a service?
void void
concreted
austere ivy
Hey guys, what's up?
native thunder
Oh God it's Brian. No one acknowledge him
native thunder
Paperd sprinkles fairy dust and runs a server through magic
vocal monolith
peak dirge
A high honor indeed https://gyazo.com/cdf866c22b71db19479e4bd408827d8b
Being both elated and slightly sarcastic
vestal jasper
he still has a table
native thunder
Hire this man. He's going to create skynet
vestal jasper
how about caml and sml
peak dirge
@void void ocaml? ๐ค
vestal jasper
ok ocaml is cheating I already said caml :(
void void
you made that up on the spot!
peak dirge
๐
viral turtle
spice isle
stiff yarrow
oh dope just got approved for github sponsors
void void
so is this a new feature that is meant to increase the egostical nature of developers even further
thanks gh
raw night
who owns github ?
stiff yarrow
in an ideal world you could live off pledges for being a good boi contributing to open source software
@void void ๐
vocal canyon
merry talon
I do
upbeat gale
heady spear
vestal jasper
oh no
woven otter
oh no
void void
quasi valley
reported and deported
zealous knot
LOL
woven otter
seems like signed byte
signal yoke
Ah
But that doesn't really help me lol
The question is still how does this contain a negative number
Maybe since it's Alpha materials?
woven otter
I think it's just because that is signed byte and needs to be converted to int or something
woven otter
it should be 147 i think
signal yoke
How'd you get that number?
woven otter
used some online converter. could try to do it in java. pretty sure it will be the same in kotlin
zealous knot
๐ ฑrotlin
signal yoke
Look, when you can make a whole NBT implementation in 200 lines of code, then you can complain about Kotlin
woven otter
code golf anyone?
zealous knot
Succ my dicc you filthy hoe @woven otter
wide chasm
200 lines of code
code golf
woven otter
@zealous knot u
vestal jasper
I got the bot down to a single line of code.
I think the entire thing was 173 characters?
heady spear
can you nerds stop being so nerdy
woven otter
city pls
wide chasm
Sounds pretty good for a discord bot tbh.
woven otter
ur the biggest nerd here
golden gust
Just remove all the newlines
signal yoke
Sigh
golden gust
"it's one line of code!"
golden gust
scrolls horizontally for days
heady spear
If it's a negative signed byte and it's converted to an int then it's just going to left fill with 1's, so that wouldn't magically make it negative
woven otter
so what are you saying city
native thunder
What's the v flag do
golden gust
verbose
woven otter
cat'ed
golden gust
Basically, you get to see the destruction as it ensues
woven otter
use rm -rf / to improve speed of your computer
vestal jasper
c=new(require("discord.js").Client);c.on("message",m=>{a=m.cleanContent,f=a.replace(/(be)/gi,"BEE"),!m.author.bot&f!=a&&m.channel.send(f)});c.login("")```well
signal yoke
The answer is no @woven otter :C
golden gust
Are you sure that it's not giving you the paletted IDs?
hard viper
Coz it's -101 == 155
signal yoke
It might, I have no clue
woven otter
oh well
hard viper
It has to be quartz, or you are doing something wrong
Like showing us a block data palette instead of block id
woven otter
oh yeah maybe it's not what you think it is
signal yoke
I'm just getting this value from NBT
The only other factor I can think of is this being some sort of weird Alpha material id
signal yoke
Oh you know what it could be
It's probably quarts + the data
How did y'all get quartz? What math / method?
hard viper
Because block ids are insigned. While java only supports signed values
So essentially block id & 0xFF
woven otter
oh yes that. you shouldn't try assigning it to byte tho
hard viper
But iy may actually be paletted values or anything else, it's all based on which tool created the schematic.
And from which server impl it was.
woven otter
would be nice if java had unsigned types
signal yoke
I can read unsignedbytes
signal yoke
Like this is an option
But the official standard says it should be signed for Byte tags
They don't specify for ByteArray tags
hard viper
It's not an official standard.
hard viper
NBT just writes what it can in java
signal yoke
Yeah, but does this mean every ByteArray tag should be read as unsigned bytes?
hard viper
How contained values are decoded is a different thing.
signal yoke
:C
signal yoke
Because this one is wayyyyy simpler
200 lines
Have a look for yourself if you want
It could be better still
limber knotBOT
kotlin
signal yoke
limber knotBOT
"sounds like lack of brain cells" - wiz 2019
signal yoke
I think writing 2 times as much code in Java better represents that
vestal jasper
I think caring about which languages people use and whining about them constantly represents that
:^)
signal yoke
I'm not... They were attacking Kotlin lol
vestal jasper
Yes
signal yoke
โค
quaint dawn
heady spear
So the funny thing about Kotlin users is that they have to mention kotlin every 5 minutes or else they break
vestal jasper
I've never witnessed that
native thunder
It's like being a vegan
You need to mention how clean or how concise your code is
vestal jasper
What I have witnessed though is people harassing kotlin users every single time they show kotlin code
signal yoke
:3
raw night
note to self... no matter how hard you try, a plugin will never work if you don't copy it into the plugins folder...
digital veldt
Who actually cares whether or not someone uses a language that is different to yourself? Like itโs their choice.
raw night
It's the trend... everyone loves a soft ego massage and we feel bad if we dont get it
void void
So the funny thing about Kotlin users is that they have to mention kotlin every 5 minutes or else they break
i use kotlin as well, yet i don't mention it every 5 minutes
take back your words!!11!1!
heady spear
I uSE kOtLiN
void void
cant hear the haters over their null pointer exceptions
heady spear
sry I write my code properly so that has never been an issue
Tbh all JVM languages suck. I use C.
vestal jasper
wrapping your entire program in a try/catch isn't "proper code", city
heady spear
wtf why would that be necessary
if you study code contracts for like 2 seconds then you'd know how to not be in NPE hell
but ur probs 2 dum 4 that lmao dumdum
heady spear
but that's kinda expected from someone that doesn't know how to name their packages properly
vestal jasper
old meme
heady spear
go far far away plz
vestal jasper
you're retarded
heady spear
I love u 2
vestal jasper
ew
heady spear
๐
vestal jasper
heady spear
ur only hostile because ur sucky
vestal jasper
I'm hostile because you smell
heady spear
I just showered
vestal jasper
mhmm sure
heady spear
I did ๐ฆ I had to get my hair done because I'm getting it cut
void void
i tried to breed some turtles now they are spewing hundreds of particles per second, is this normal lol?
ok it stopped when it finally laid the egg
void void
it was some serious spam
unreal quarry
Yeah, it's weird lol
past panther
tame flume
simple lion
strange hedge
woven otter
https://pastie.io/cfxscp.groovy
wat 
out of nowhere I can't start the server
finite wave
Missed me?
golden gust
.rekt
limber knotBOT
โ BaREKT Obama
woven otter
you mean something like this for both 1 and 2:
https://i.imgur.com/RpIarqN.png
austere ivy
Quick question, when you're boiling a hotdog are you supposed to put the cookie dough before or after they're cooked through?
golden gust
paper 174 is old
austere ivy
Actually nevermind I think it's before.
golden gust
But apparently your server blew up tryna open a connection
finite wave
hehe Ducky,
golden gust
(firewall/antivirus software, maybe?)
finite wave
woven otter
dunno maybe. it just happened out of nowhere
finite wave
Been using my mac for a while so haven't opened this for a few months
golden gust
I use bootcamp and boot it up like, once in a blue moon
finite wave
I just never use it if i don't play a game
golden gust
Was running a build which expired mooonths ago
woven otter
can't be hacked if you're hacked already 
golden gust
I have comodo installed in bootcamp, just to be able to say I have something installed
Keep debating on just getting rid of it
Times it's saved me from a virus: 0
Times it's given be a headache: ...
pulsar wigeon
i mean, if you don't use windows often...
peak dirge
bah I use Windows Defender if I need to use Windows 10
it basically ensures shit performance when I need to use Visual Studio
quasi valley
1.14.4: 130 fps
19w40a: 40 fps in the same spot/world
peak dirge
so, you know, Linux is still technically better
but I need to learn to get freebsd to play nicely with my hardware
in fact I will conduct the experiment again
pulsar wigeon
are you a masochist
dusk drift
MC-161902 - Game crashes when a turtle ridden by an illager enters water
who the fuck finds this
also this was a cool bug ๐ฆ https://bugs.mojang.com/secure/attachment/239561/2019-09-28_12.13.22.png
golden gust
bar your server name, which can be disabled, there is nothing in timings that identifies you or your server
dusk drift
Dude, 1.15 sucks fucking cock on client FPS
1.14 I'm at 410avg
snap I'm at 200avg
Same world, same location everything
tardy wren
golden gust
.optimize
limber knotBOT
Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimizationโก.283181/
topaz mortar
@native cradle The funniest thing is that most of them using a 60Hz monitor. ๐
golden gust
but mah epeen
dusk drift
You can only see 60 fps anyway
raw night
talking about that guide. it suggests to lower the view-distance of the original server.properties from 10 to 4-8 while mojang suggest not to go lower than 10 cause of a spawn bug. whats the verdict ?
dusk drift
Listen to the guide
pulsar wigeon
The human eye can only see 24 fps
/s
celest coyote
you mean 15 fps
dusk drift
I can only see 5
pulsar wigeon
obviously the human eye can only process one thing per second since seconds are the smallest unit of time we understand
raw night
depends on the situation. the human eye has variable fps. when it comes to gaming you only care about fps times. not fps. as long as its smooth you dont care about the number. you can only detect shutter
dusk drift
I limit to 150 on 144hz
pulsar wigeon
facts and logic aren't allowed here
void void
physiologically our eyes can 'see' up to 1000fps because the nerve fires between 300-1000 times per second, but our brain can only interpret somewhere around 150
raw night
ok then something illogical... if you want your gpu to live longer lower your fps to 60
dusk drift
?
void void
dusk drift
Billy's patch n my shit does a complete diff thing
and I think his patch came after mine
idk maybe not
void void
i dont actually care i am just trolling you
dusk drift
I do wish it was just pulled to paper or even spigot tho :/
celest coyote
You can always check the dates to verify
void void
dates of?
celest coyote
The patch and the plugin
void void
oh no need lol
celest coyote
Bully hexed more ๐
void void
i dont actually care i am just trolling you
celest coyote
Surrender your id and credit card details
proven glacier
limber knotBOT
man I feel like I aged 20 years in the past 2 weeks
I'm always just so damned sleepy
raw night
HexedHero your plugin scares me every time i start the server ๐ those red lines
limber knotBOT
oh wow, you can build projects directly on github now Oo
pulsar wigeon
actions?
limber knotBOT
yeah
pulsar wigeon
have you been in a coma for the past few weeks
limber knotBOT
I just got the notification for a repo ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
only shows up on one of them though
pulsar wigeon
yea they've been rolling it out for a while
limber knotBOT
I think I read it somewhere and thought "why use that if you have jenkins" xD
but I guess it's nice for building windows software
pulsar wigeon
that's also a big if
having self-hosted CI probably isn't that common tbh
a lot of people probably just use services like travis, appveyor, etc etc
limber knotBOT
yeah, having 50 different plugin project isn't either I guess xD
signal yoke
@raw night You could manually load the plugin from a different folder
I've done it before
whole frost
void void
[File IO Thread/WARN] [FML]: Large Chunk Detected: (12, 23) Size: 399 ./Temp/region/r.-3.0.mca
The fuck is a "Large Chunk"
Never seen that before
pulsar wigeon
FML
peak kite
limber knotBOT
@Hโawโaiโiiโanโ_Sโtyโleโ it's a player trying to dupe items by oversizing a chunk and stopping the server from saving changes in it
(at least that's my interpretation of that message, dunno how Forge works)
try teleporting there and see if there are lots of containers with books in them or something xD
test
UwU
petition to rename "large chunk" as "chunky bois"
got chunk in the trunk
quasi valley
chunky chunks
zealous knot
I bet electroniccat unironically listens to Billie Eillish
limber knotBOT
I bet electroniccat unironically listens to furry music
actually is that a thing
.g furry music
aw is the bot dead
limber knotBOT
https://youtu.be/pmEXJPTDNtU I am disappointed that this was basically the first duckduckgo result
(^-^) Furry Tik Tok Compilation #6 (Furry Music.ly 6) - length 9m 46s - 2,169 likes, 926 dislikes (70.1%) - 124,081 views - Frosty Blueberry Fox on 2018.10.02
after all the porn
limber knotBOT
they did
stone silo
oh?
limber knotBOT
(^-^) Furries | Down the Rabbit Hole - length 44m 8s - 49,050 likes, 1,263 dislikes (97.5%) - 1,780,912 views - Fredrik Knudsen on 2018.08.13
but if you just want to have a heart-attack inducing laugh you need to watch the failure of rainfurrest
the internet historian is a gem
stone silo
oh boy
limber knotBOT
(^-^) The Failure of Rainfurrest - length 8m 14s - 161,952 likes, 4,069 dislikes (97.5%) - 8,182,238 views - Internet Historian on 2017.07.16
it's potentially the funniest thing you'll watch this year
unless you watch the rest of that guy's channel
well guess I'm rewatching the whole channel again
ah yes furries
lol
summer jackal
Hi guys, I have a server with 400 players online, factions, and I think some plugin has memory leak in async task
https://sparkprofiler.github.io/#epYGUosjvb
Is normal to have 1gb in CraftAsyncDebugger before a --run-gc-before of spark?
limber knotBOT
man see if I was a millionaire I'd fund a massive furry festival just so I could watch the videos covering the degeneracy and disasters that happened during it
golden gust
1.8
limber knotBOT
this is why I should be made a millionaire, gvt please
I mean there a bunch of grown men and women running around pretending to be animals Grow up.
golden gust
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) Put Em Down - Cyanide & Happiness Shorts - length 3m 5s - 182,895 likes, 11,739 dislikes (94.0%) - 16,515,247 views - ExplosmEntertainment on 2014.04.03
if people want to be animals they should forfeit their human rights
quasi valley
hell yea
limber knotBOT
(^-^) Carpenter Brut - Hang'em All - length 5m 40s - 38,394 likes, 629 dislikes (98.4%) - 4,825,262 views - Carpenter Brut on 2014.03.06
Heres a question if i sexually assult a furry is that classed as beastaility?
morally or legally
quasi valley
both
limber knotBOT
it should
short yarrow
Is running your MC server on a VM a good idea? I believe a lot of enterprises some sort of virtualization setup on their servers and have a bunch of virtual machines to run their application.
stone silo
idk it was funny, but not gut busting
quasi valley
muchdank
stone silo
like, the whole furry thing is just so sad
peak kite
So minecraft data is like a rubix cube, and paper is the dude who solves the cube, and then some user comes along and F***s it all up by changing things, and paper has no choice but solve the cube... again.. So this process takes time.. which lowers tps... ?
limber knotBOT
so sad, alexa the fox play furry despacito
I hate legal girls
lolis are better
hey you should go to the party van parked up front
summer jackal
I don't like 1.8 but the player base of brazil is 1.8, I just make that the players want to play, not what I want
pearl canyon
limber knotBOT
that's a stupid argument
quasi valley
indeed
golden gust
Run whatever version you want
limber knotBOT
indeed phoenix
golden gust
You just gotta accept the fact that we don't care about 5 year old versions
peak dirge
run what you want (even beta 1.7.3) but we only support 1.13+
golden gust
(You're running software which is unsupported, you should be capable of supporting yourself)
spark is also mostly useless for debugging memory usage issues, use a proper heap analyser
summer jackal
But is not the case of the version, is the same type of talk about Bukkit forum "we not support spigot", like spigot COMPLETE different from the Bukkit
peak dirge
all spark can do for memory usage issues is take a heapdump
quasi valley
just throw out the cat bowl
limber knotBOT
I mean dont buy him anymore cat nip or treats ^-^
summer jackal
I now that Spark is not the best, but, The last time that I made a profile with 400 players on, the server crashes
peak dirge
and close all the taco trucks ๐
limber knotBOT
god damn it who's been feeding the cat
limber knotBOT
why hes gotten a bit pudgy
quasi valley
time for a diet
golden gust
This isn't even a case of spark "not being the best"
This is literally a case of "spark does not handle the information you need to see"
summer jackal
Right now I don't want to see what is causing memory leak, the obj, the FQN of the classe
limber knotBOT
Ignored oh noez.
summer jackal
I just want to know if this is normal
golden gust
I mean, we got rid of that in paper because it was an inefficent and useless mess
limber knotBOT
no idea what that is supposed to be
amber tinsel
1.12 is prob going be the next 1.8, as its much more stable then 1.13+
With that beinig said, 1.13 is pretty stable now days imo.
void void
k
stone silo
They should host Dashcon 2020 at Maralago
void void
wtf is dashcon
stone silo
tumblr con
void void
lol
warped spear
anyone have any suggestion for good flow chart plugins for eclipse
stone silo
tl;dr: they convinced the hotel that they only needed to put $20k of $40k forward because attendance numbers would be in the 5k/day range
they were more like 500/day
and they had to raise $17k via donations to stay
oh and someone pissed in the ball pit
void void
yikes
stone silo
someone brought it because there was nothing to do
warped spear
it would be so nice if there was a plugin that let me turn my code into a flow chart for eclipse
cause tryna keep track of stuff is really hard
stone silo
wha?
void void
turn code into flow card
warped spear
chart
void void
yes, thanks, typo. still makes no sense
what exactly do you want...a dependency graph?
a profiler?
"flow chart"
stone silo
messy code is fixed by good design and naming
stone silo
and also knowledge about tools, navigation through code, etc
warped spear
dependency chart would be good
warped spear
also is intellij better than eclipse
void void
subjective
warped spear
i need to get a bigger monitor too
warped spear
working off my laptop rn and only 15 inch aint enough
void void
(yes, personal opinion (aka, subjective), it is better)
stone silo
intellij is great
void void
they both work well, it's a subjective topic
stone silo
if you move into other frameworks/languages, jetbrains has other ides that closely resemble it, so that's nice
golden gust
eclipse has the pros that there is a lot of documentation and stuff that is often tailerod for it
void void
in case you're having trouble understanding what subjective means
it means personal opinion
you will get different answers solely based on opinion
warped spear
i know what subjetive means
void void
you need to make your own choice
then stop asking if it's better
ask an objective question
like "does it support X where eclipse does not"
golden gust
But, if you're using the proper tooling, e.g. maven/gradle, and don't mind the productivity hit of tryna adjust to another IDE, I highly vouche for it
warped spear
I am asking which is easier to manage if your noob
void void
"does it do X and Y and Z as opposed to how eclipse does Z and Y and X"
golden gust
jetbrains also have these things where they go over the IDE and it's features and some interesting shortcuts, etc
warped spear
cause there is some stuff that annoy the hell out of me in eclipse
golden gust
e.g. I disable tabs on my IDE, because it's sooooo much faster without
stone silo
wow you disable tabs?
warped spear
half the time it runs the wrong file when i select a different one
golden gust
Yes, nagivating with the goto class, etc; is sooo much faster
void void
that just sounds like you're not using the correct tooling phantom
IJ has pretty good run configs, but generally using maven or gradle will solve that...
stone silo
I deal with MVC a whole lot, so it's not easy to do no tabs
stone silo
switching between controllers and views pretty much has to be done with the explorer
warped spear
like say I want I have a helloworld and a minecraft mod
stone silo
pinning those tabs makes it easier
golden gust
if you know your class names, it's easy to just goto class
warped spear
i select the mod and it runs the helloworld instead
void void
lol
golden gust
I find that tabs just get int he way, too much context switching between keyboard and mouse, I just cmd-e and goto a file I had open previously, or cmd-o and type the class I want
void void
well, one thing IJ does differently is it doesn't open all your projects at once in a gigantic tree
you open one project at a time
so that's kinda, not a thing
golden gust
Not to say that I don't sometimes have to go brose the file structure to find wtf I was looking for, but not using the mouse to jump between a few files is a massive time saver
warped spear
Eh maybe I'll give it a try
stone silo
oh no I get that for sure
void void
isn't there like a command-option left,right to switch files in the tabs
no clicky clacky
something l ike that
golden gust
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stone silo
it's just not necessarily accomplishable if you deal with files that don't have any sort of navigation option
void void
1h
golden gust
(If you hate yourself and have time to blow, I guess) ๐
stone silo
then again I'm talking about .NET MVC specifically in a Java-plugin-based Discord so lol
golden gust
You lost me at the .NET part
stone silo
lol
void void
Looks at NuGet
Implodes
void void
Yeah those are bad
golden gust
Discord wut
bronze bobcat
void void
how do you do libs in your .NET projects then
stone silo
nuget packages / lib bundling?
void void
.NET is not my weapon of choice but when I needed libs in the bank I had to use NuGet
oh
I thought you said you don't use NuGet
misread that
stone silo
ah, no I do
there's only been a couple of instances where I've actually had to bundle a DLL in some of our applications, but it's usually because it's like .NET 1.1 or 2.0 libraries for some old legacy shit
warped spear
also gonna get a new keyboard cause god can't stand my laptop's keyboard
woven otter
sounds good
warped spear
i miss my mechanical from home
summer jackal
I still think that has some plugin using async task with memory leak, this can't be real
warped spear
and as a heavy typer going from mxred with fairly heavy keycaps to this no travelt time dell shit hurts
summer jackal
Jetbrains IDEs is so good, is the best in the market, even when targeting C#, Rider is so good
warped spear
so either jetbrains or intellij
stone silo
jetbrains is intellij
warped spear
ah
stone silo
intellij is part of the jetbrains product lineup
summer jackal
IntelliJ is from Jetbrains
golden gust
I'm on a mac, so overall, .net kinda sucks ass
summer jackal
.net sucks even in windows #changemymind
warped spear
i am interested cause i spend more time fighting with eclispe than actually coding
void void
dont be one of those people that finds out IJ exists and that a lot of people use it and suddenly hop on the train, install it, open it, and then start asking questions because you did no research thx
warped spear
not gonna be one of those people
stone silo
can develop in Windows, Mac, Linux, whatever
void void
My main .NET experience was with the OnBase API (ECM system). First of all...
Their API is fucking trash
warped spear
i was looking for alternative to eclipse cause tbh notepad++ is less annoying
void void
But beyond that, it was .NET Core
summer jackal
Who here likes Kotlin and who doens't?
void void
Kotlin is alright
warped spear
hows the opengl in intelij
void void
Just wrote a WP plugin the other day, pretty trash api yea and extremely trash docs
???
OpenGL in IntelliJ
summer jackal
Someone send me this article and for me, is amazing
warped spear
glsl to be more specific
stone silo
there's some things in WP that make a lot of sense like hooks/filters
void void
You use OpenGL in the programming language, IDE just provides the capability to code with it :/
Question makes no sense.
stone silo
but my god man, a huge infrastructure like that and it's not OOP? And the database schema is fucking horrid
summer jackal
WP plugin is not writed in PHP?
void void
Yes it is
stone silo
key/value pair for fucking EVERYTHING
warped spear
i mean how is the experience using it in intelij
void void
It's...fine?
summer jackal
So, thats the problem 
stone silo
lol
warped spear
?
stone silo
PHP's not absolutely terrible if you do it right
Laravel is actually pretty fine to use
void void
You're still asking subjective questions, like. There is no way to give an objective answer to that.
Writing code is writing code
summer jackal
yeh, but "do it right" is kinda hard I think
stone silo
but not being typed is a major detractor for me these days
nah
it just requires discipline
summer jackal
and the most people doens't do the right thing
void void
Haxe or something
void void
oof
summer jackal
and if you wants to learn about, you will find SO MUCH things in the wrong way
warped spear
like i mean does it make it any easier to manage
stone silo
maybe they did actually, that sounds kinda familiar
warped spear
cause i find eclipse to be a little frustrating sometimes
void void
void void
Built for HHVM
summer jackal
@warped spear ultimate can find duplicated code, if you want to know
void void
with types it seems
stone silo
PHP's built in language shit is just so horrid
summer jackal
Hack and Php is the same logic of Typescript and Javascript
warped spear
hmm that sounds good
summer jackal
"is the same language"
stone silo
inconsistent and nonsensical with returns
void void
PHP was the first language I learned and I read it's docs from front to back
That shit is wild
warped spear
not sure if i should look into an alternative to lwjgl
summer jackal
was one?
void void
;)
stone silo
but people don't like to torture themselves generally
summer jackal
LLVM IR >> assembly
void void
I write most my backends in Java now
warped spear
been messing around with compute shaders and god i hate myself
void void
Like the backed for this https://apps.jacob.engineer/weather/ is java
warped spear
why did i choose to do this
stone silo
the only reason I'd see to absolutely choose java over .NET is for cross compatiblity reasons
summer jackal
I write with Kotlin, but is the same runtime, just not the framework, not for now, because I use Ktor, if in the future a start to learn spring, them, the same framework
stone silo
otherwise everything else seems like personal preference to me
void void
I just prefer Java because it was my 2nd language
summer jackal
Java was my first language
void void
That was almost 9 years ago now though
warped spear
its my first major language
stone silo
http://github.com/pathartl/bleemsync project I did earlier in the year to run on the PlayStation Classic using .NET Core
vestal jasper
Java here. I wanted to make MC mods and then never really stopped.
summer jackal
But I never attach my self to a language, I really like Kotlin and I can't find other language that makes me happywith
void void
Ye I learned Java for MC but now I use it almost everything that I can use it for
summer jackal
I learn Dart this year, and its sucks, is a Java with Javascript
void void
Which is...almost everything
warped spear
i knew html and hex editing (not sure if that counts)
void void
neither of those are programming lmao
well, hex editing "maybe" if you're doing assembly
but you need to intimately know the ISA
void void
intimately
stone silo
But yeah that's the thing, I haven't written Java in probably 15 years (I took a class to write Java applets lmao), but I was able to pick up MC mods in a night
and that was just learning the bukkit api
warped spear
i sucks forge and bukkit never realy merged
warped spear
well yes and no
summer jackal
nice to talk with you guys, but I have to study requirements engineering, I don't know if is the same thing in english, in portuguese is "Engenharia de Requisitos", let me check it out
stone silo
@void void don't tell JS that
void void
I mean, I'm not talking about the language
warped spear
maybe i dream of a world where i can have high performance mod server
void void
He said Forge and Bukkit, both APIs, targetting different sides
warped spear
i said i am sad they never merged
stone silo
yeah I was taking a jab at JS for the hell of it
warped spear
modded multiplayer
void void
Sponge...
warped spear
with non vanilla server crap
summer jackal
Oh, Sponge is not a crap
stone silo
oh sim, you'd be proud: https://github.com/pathartl/Mailbox/blob/master/src/tl/pathar/minecraft/mailbox/MailboxConstructionListener.java
summer jackal
Just doens't have the Paper performance
stone silo
no PascalCase
summer jackal
and use Optinal A LOT
golden gust
Sponge is literally the worse /s
summer jackal
And use Kotlin with? OMG, is so bad
warped spear
like i would love a paper forge
golden gust
They're in a modded environment, they even had some gains over us in some areas
paper forge isn't viable
void void
is that sync sql i see @stone silo
warped spear
sponge breaks 70% of the mods i have used
golden gust
Half of the reasons sponge doesn't have some of the performance things we have is literally because they have to support mods
stone silo
it's quick enough atm
summer jackal
yes, just that, electro, just fucking forge
golden gust
Being in that kind of environment creates looots of interesting implications
and forge ain't really the issue, tbh
warped spear
forge > og modloader
void void
I love when people come in here not knowing shit and then saying stuff like "damn i wish forge and bukkit merged"
golden gust
Issue is bukkit was designed horribly for expanding
void void
stone silo
@void void got any examples doing async? had limited time to write this
summer jackal
I think maybe the only thing that I want in Paper right know that Sponge has is Mixins
summer jackal
Just that
stone silo
would be much appreciated
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warped spear
i just mean i wish i could use a aftermarket server and have mod support
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summer jackal
kkkkk tkx
I don't know how the Orion projects works electro but can't be PR to the main Paper?
warped spear
i wonder if you could run the entitiies of a gpu
golden gust
It's also somewhat janky to do given how bukkit works
void void
@stone silo so, like, i don't straight up use jdbc api anymore; however, for a quick and dirty you can use CompletableFuture<T>, do your query, and return out of that, then call .get() on your future to get the value it's available
however, what I do is use jdbi (wrapper) and caffeine (cache); caffeine offers an async cache which you just set up and use; and jdbi just abstracts sql away from the access class and the provider class
here's an example: https://github.com/simpleauthority/detective/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/com/algorithmjunkie/mc/detective/db/dam/UserDam.kt#L13
that's kotlin, too
soo
void void
haven't used exposed but looks interesting
summer jackal
void void
yup just looked at it
summer jackal
(if someone wants the link to)
warped spear
what exactly is the biggest bottleneck for servers
summer jackal
I write a library "based in exposed" but for redis
stone silo
damn ya'll don't just have an ORM with async/await yet?
warped spear
or just minecraft in general
void void
nope we dont have async/await
stone silo
yikes
void void
firing off a CompletableFuture and calling get() is similar
just doesnt use keywords
you have to do it yourself
summer jackal
But if you guys wants to checkit out
stone silo
yeah, so like a promise
summer jackal
@stone silo "was one", just not yet done
golden gust
I tend to avoid ORMs
summer jackal
Exposed will have "await/async"
because Kotlin has Coroutines
a really good aproach, better then javascript, in my opnion
warped spear
does minecraft have a proper schedular these days or no
stone silo
got it
void void
yes, bukkit does...
summer jackal
you can create your on thread pool
warped spear
vannilla
summer jackal
And for Bukkit, for use coroutines, exist the project called Skedule
void void
Skedule is nice
stone silo
@golden gust Entity Framework is love, EF is life
summer jackal
And he recommends if you are using Kotlin, using Skedule
void void
summer jackal
You create some extensions for use coroutines with?
warped spear
idea, async entities
golden gust
Honestly never used coroutines
summer jackal
or you just ignore the existence of coroutines?
golden gust
Yes
stone silo
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/ef/ef6/fundamentals/async oh boy, look how simple / clean that looks
summer jackal
I use kotlin for one 6 moths before trying coroutines
summer jackal
But when I try, dude, is so good
In android (and if you use Retrofit em JVM), you can use suspend for Retrofit
and Room has support to
golden gust
I mean, in part, I'm a control freak
warped spear
also posssble idea variable tick speed for entities
golden gust
But like, I've not really been in an environment where coroutines really made me wanna figure all that stuff out
EAR lets you tick entities further away from the player less
warped spear
have it resource dependent and slow down if they shit i getting to heavy
summer jackal
I really want to create a server in 1.13 but brazillian players sucks
Anyone knows if the scripting will come to Java Edtion?
golden gust
Probably not, thank god
summer jackal
And the thing like fortnite dance, I think is called "actions"? Don't know
warped spear
isn't that basically what data packs are
summer jackal
thank god, javascript...
stone silo
eh, at Minecon they were talking about a general merging of MC versions
golden gust
That's really just limited to command functions
summer jackal
If they are talking about packets, I want
golden gust
datapacks themselves are fine, issue is command functions which blows up
warped spear
i would be down for a merged minecraft version
summer jackal
but, ignore the Java Edition existence, is cruel :c
warped spear
port us to vulkan or dx12
stone silo
what they need is the java edition features/rules on the bedrock engine
summer jackal
But a year a go I read that mojang wants to make the Java Edtion, the "Community Edition"
golden gust
And then rip crossplatform support
warped spear
yes
summer jackal
and I think Blaze3d will be opensource too?
void void
"we"
golden gust
They're open sourcing components of the game that they use for dev, e.g. their rendering engine, etc
summer jackal
when I say "opensourcing" is the proguard map
golden gust
I doubt that they'll actually open source the core game
warped spear
thats fine
golden gust
Nor is releasing mappings making stuff open source
summer jackal
I know
warped spear
if they release the renderer and scheduling
summer jackal
this is because I use "
golden gust
(and their mappings also creates a lot of legal questions)
warped spear
that will be more than enough to fix the performnce
void void
phantom you keep saying dumb things 
warped spear
thanks....
summer jackal
Why publish render fix the performance?
Okay, you make a fork right? now, how you put INSIDE the game?
warped spear
because if they opensource it someone will submit a better opton
void void
lol
warped spear
maybe nova renderer will be the official option lol