general

[robust quest]

A Snapshot a week for 3+ months...I think we are ok still.

[pulsar wigeon]

what if the week before 1.15 releases, they remove bees entirely and just give us 1.14.5

and say "hey we removed the bugs!"

[robust quest]

Fearing some major content announcement during Minecon in a couple weeks though...

[vestal jasper]

that's a big fucking bee wtf

[quasi valley]

are they actually? thought they actually wouldnt anymore

since they said something on the lines of "half is bees, half is bugfixing" for the rest of the year

[robust quest]

What's the point of Minecon?

[quasi valley]

dungeons

their pokemon go thing

[pulsar wigeon]

they also said bees isn't the big content announcement

i think

which implies there will be some other one

[robust quest]

No way they have Minecon and just talk about stuff already in the Snapshots.

[pulsar wigeon]

doesn't necessarily mean it will be 1.15 tho

they can say "1.15 will be bees and bugfixing, big thing coming up will be xyz in 1.16"

[robust quest]

Yeah, could talk about the content coming in 1.16 6+ months later.

[unreal quarry]

.bees

[limber knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAhuSDRIDHE

(Korobi) BEES!!! - length 27s - 13,749 likes, 199 dislikes (98.6%) - 1,371,911 views - magicb0y on 2010.11.27

[viral hornet]

The size of them is annoying

[quasi valley]

I mean, they surely have enough stuff to announce at minecon

[robust quest]

I think it's great

[quasi valley]

even without a major mc update

microsoft is crunching all their already announced plans out for next year

[robust quest]

Microsoft is no longer dictating JE's update schedule.

[unreal quarry]

i'm sitting here playing with bees, and i'm finding their pathfinding to be extremely... wtf.. like, i put rows of crops between the hive and flowers, but the bees get lost in the crops (like they're too tall and cant see past them)

[limber knot]

Bees should actually have the size of a few minecraft pixels. yellow, brwon, yellow, ...

[quasi valley]

spiders should too

👀

you'll get used to it

[limber knot]

K​en​ny​TV​ good point

[pulsar wigeon]

where did they say that celebrimbor

[unreal quarry]

like this guy.. i think he's stuck on the fence or something

[viral hornet]

What's their flying like?

[unreal quarry]

its slow

almost aimless, unless you have a flower in your hand

then they'll follow you pretty steadily

[robust quest]

Wiz, MiniDigger said they (some community members, mega servers like Hypixel) have been having meetings with JE's Community Manager and MS's oppressive update schedule is no longer applicable to JE.

In fact, the other platforms will probably see the Bee content months earlier than Java Edition as JE has all this mess to clean up.

[unreal quarry]

good. let the other editions do their own thing. thats all we've wanted this whole time :3

[quasi valley]

they probably still won't

which is quite some lost opportunity

at the beginning they so proudly announced it to go such a different direction, to test out new things and all!

now... yea, no

[robust quest]

MiniDigger might be able to shed more light on the topic, but everyone in the meetings signed NDAs, so probably not much.

Mojang meeting schedule
Monday August 12th - Packets, protocols, & custom UI: tools needed for successful servers
Monday Sep 2 - Account security & child safety
Monday Sep 9 - Player enforcement & bans
Monday Sep 16 - Featured/partnered servers
Monday Sep 23 - MC server software licensing
Monday Sep 30 - Seamless resource pack loading & related tooling
Monday Oct 7 - Anti-cheat & the competitive community

[unreal quarry]

account security? just give us 2fa already :S

[robust quest]

Might be a thing that's pending 🤷

[quasi valley]

oh eula ban enforcement or what does that refer to?

[robust quest]

No clue. I am not in the meetings.

[quasi valley]

are the meetings between server owners such as hypixel and mojang, or just mojang internal? (the latter wouldnt make much sense regarding some topics I guess)

[robust quest]

They are discussion topics that the community members and big servers like Hypixel and Cube are bringing to Mojang, not the other way around. These are the topics they wanted to talk about. Mojang might say "no, not going to be a thing", and that's the end of it.

[quasi valley]

fair enough

[robust quest]

At least they are TRYING to hear out the community.

Getting servers like Hypixel to update to 1.15+ would mean the final death sentence to 1.8.8.

[quasi valley]

tho featured servers sounds like them just wanting even more players / focus on themselves, rather to have players searching for what they want

[robust quest]

Yeah, a little troubling. It's probably some sort of EULA thingy.

[quasi valley]

it makes sense for Bedrock, especially for console players that don't necessarily look into too many communties online

but for java...

[limber knot]

We don't talk to content manager, we talk to Helen, Java server community manager

[robust quest]

Also, when I say "Mojang", I mean Mojang's Community Manager for Java Edition, Helen. One of 6 CMs. So she is not the end all be all for the meetings. She's pretty much a middleman/woman.

lol...I waas in the middle of typing that..

[limber knot]

And yes, it's pretty much us bringing topics up, then discussion with Helen and others, then she compiles stuff and talks to higher ups

[quasi valley]

sounds nice enough

[limber knot]

Last meeting was postponed because of timing issues

[quasi valley]

well, I'm just rooting for the pvp update (hopefully already in 1.15?) to be nice. they already removed the autoclick functionality and made the attack rate lower compared to their previous test-snapshots, a little more into the 1.8 direction

[limber knot]

For account security, issue is that mojangs account system is shit and fixing it is not worth it, so prolly a migration to Xbox live accounts would be needed (which is a sensitive topic PR wise)

[robust quest]

Oh my...

[quasi valley]

xbox live accounts

[limber knot]

For Eula we heavily discussed for and got the blog posts (Eula faq) removed

[robust quest]

Well...Microsoft accounts.

[limber knot]

Those are not valid anymore, so much more stuff goes now

[quasi valley]

oh interesting

didn't even know that

[robust quest]

Old EULA = Scrapped?

[limber knot]

I personally don't see any downside for migrating to xblive accounts

[pulsar wigeon]

not the eula

the weird "faq" blog posts listing what you can/can't do

[limber knot]

All that matters is what's written in the commercial usage guidelines

[quasi valley]

I already hated setting it up for the Bedrock edition

it's kind of the google+ of Microsoft

[pulsar wigeon]

which didn't really follow from the eula

[robust quest]

Just the FAQ that explained the extent of the EULA

[pulsar wigeon]

also yea fuck microsoft accounts wtf?

[limber knot]

The blog posts were plain stupid as Helen said it

[pulsar wigeon]

are they gonna make us migrate again?

speaking of which

what happened to shit like cobalt lol

does that still exist

[limber knot]

They have 2fa, they have family options, parental control, oauth, it's the dream

Al's gdpr complain statistics 😂

Mojang currently has no usage statistics at all

Since snooper died to gdpr

[merry talon]

oh thats gone?

[limber knot]

Anyways, if you see downsides in xblive accounts (other than boo, migrating, and boo, mircosoft), please let me know so we can bring them up

[quasi valley]

you'll surely not use the xbox live gametag will you?

with all their name changing policies

[limber knot]

Mmh, that's a fair Point, why does bedrock do?

What*

[quasi valley]

I think you actually have to pay for it to be changed on xbox live to change it on bedrock

[limber knot]

Mmh, we would need a way to keep usernames and uuids of course

[quasi valley]

and a way to change them once every few months at least

[limber knot]

So maybe keep old auth server and just do launcher login via xbl

[robust quest]

Are we pretty much talking about a Microsoft .live address, yes? Not XBox Live specifically. I know they serve the same purpose, but one would not have to setup an XBox account to play MC Java Edition.

[pulsar wigeon]

uh, yea wait what

[robust quest]

They would just have to create/link a Microsoft account,

[pulsar wigeon]

i don't have and would not like to make another arbitrary shitty account

especially for microsoft

[limber knot]

They would use Xbox accounts

[robust quest]

Yeah...that's probably a sh*t show.

[pulsar wigeon]

i don't use windows 10, don't use xbox, don't use microsoft live

[limber knot]

As that's the central place for mircosoft gaming

Xbox is way more than a console now

Xbox is mircosofts gaming devison

I mean, migration prolly wouldn't be mandatory, but it's in your best interest for security

[robust quest]

They need to do something. This is a tough cookie to chew, but it's not like Microsoft is going to sell Minecraft any time soon. So just rip the bandaid off if that's the way this goes.

[pulsar wigeon]

security lol

[limber knot]

Mojangs account system is a shit show

[robust quest]

Yes.

[quasi valley]

I guess I'm fine as long as I can change my name without having to pay money and without having to use the default xbox live sites

[robust quest]

One of my accounts "got hacked" a few weeks ago. The mother f*cker change the skin and username within about 3 minutes. I locked them back out within 5 minutes of it happening...but the security is poop/

[limber knot]

This is not something happening anytime soon, it's just an idea we had to (I think actually Helen brought it up) to fix many issues we currently face

[dusk drift]

I like the idea of Microsoft/xbox accounts but how would they even go about doing it, Migration v2?

[limber knot]

Ye

We didn't talked about any technical details

[merry talon]

I would rather mojang just fix their shit

[quasi valley]

[merry talon]

how would you feel about having to use your MS account on github

[limber knot]

We just said we want this feature, and this and this and then Helen was like, lucky you, Xbox accounts have all of that

[dusk drift]

Nah, overall using M accounts is 10x better for everything

takes 5 mins to make an account if u dont have one

[unreal quarry]

I don't own an Xbox :/

[merry talon]

[limber knot]

Migration will be a pain and I want see why ppl don't like the idea, but the pros outweight the cons heavily

[unreal quarry]

I'm not gonna make an Xbox account if I don't own an Xbox.

[quasi valley]

but another thing - what's that "featured server" talk about? kind of feel like it makes the big ones bigger, smaller less in the field of view of new players

[limber knot]

Xbox accounts are not only for Xbox consoles

They are Microsoft gaming accounts

[dusk drift]

^

[unreal quarry]

I'm not a Microsoft gamer/user either

[limber knot]

There are plenty PC games that require Xbox accounts

[wide chasm]

To be honest, I don't think many people will migrate if it's just "improved security", most end users don't really care about security.

[limber knot]

And then they add a new player model, exclusive to Xbox accounts

Incentivising the majority isn't that hard

[upper flicker]

That's the type of shit that'd turn me off from an account

[wide chasm]

You mean similar to something like Alex? I doubt that will attract people tbh.

[unreal quarry]

If they do push for Xbox accounts I'm out.

[upper flicker]

idk how they managed to fuck up their current system to the point where they can't even fix it

But in every other game the Xbox live systems are annoying

[merry talon]

^

its horrible

[upper flicker]

That's ignoring the migration headaches of separate names vs the Xbox gamer tag system, or whatever they're calling it now

[limber knot]

Are they more annoying than any other account system

[upper flicker]

Yes

[merry talon]

Yes

[limber knot]

Why?

[dusk drift]

Yea, whats so annoying about them?

[merry talon]

because they force integration where it doesnt make sense

[quasi valley]

again, it's like youtube wanting you to create a google+ account as prior, before actually creating a youtube account

[upper flicker]

Mojangs account systems must be just completely fucked if that's the route they're thinking of

Leave it to them I suppose

[limber knot]

Minecraft wouldn't suddenly be a always on game

But we need 2fa

Compromised accounts are a real issue

[zealous knot]

Wait you're telling me I'll have to migrate my gay fucking Mojang account for a third time?

[upper flicker]

2FA isn't a hard addition

But apparently their systems are that bad

So yes it is

[limber knot]

And oauth would be nice

[placid thicket]

either that or its yet another forced M$ move

[zealous knot]

Second*

[upper flicker]

This would be the third yes

[limber knot]

There are no real plans btw

[zealous knot]

Jesus Christ.

[limber knot]

It's just an idea

[upper flicker]

Minecraft -> Mojang -> Xbox

[merry talon]

from my experience you have the shitty xbox app that's there on top of your game but it doesn't actually do anything other than provide you usernames to add people with the game's system lol

[zealous knot]

Oh.

[quasi valley]

google managed to cut google+ out of youtube, so microsoft should manage to do a normal mc account site 👀

[zealous knot]

So there's nothing of the sorts guaranteed yet?

[upper flicker]

Would rather see them do it in-house then deal with xbox

[pulsar wigeon]

[2:01 PM] HexedHero: takes 5 mins to make an account if u dont have one
this is a terrible argument for forcing people to make new accounts

[zealous knot]

^^^^

[upper flicker]

That's how annoyed I am every time something wants an Xbox account

[limber knot]

Xbox app has nothing to do with Xbox accounts

[pulsar wigeon]

i don't give a shit about their app or their accounts

i don't want to be forced to sign up for more shit

[limber knot]

Xbox app is like steams game overlay

[placid thicket]

would you take an xbox account if it meant Java got crossplay?

[merry talon]

dont think anyone cares what the account technically is lol

[pulsar wigeon]

no

[upper flicker]

No

[pulsar wigeon]

fuck crossplay

lol

[upper flicker]

Java isn't getting fucking crossplay

[limber knot]

Crossplay is pretty much impossible

[placid thicket]

it has been done before

[upper flicker]

And it doesn't have a thing to do with whose account system they use

[pulsar wigeon]

^

[placid thicket]

allbeit hacky

[pulsar wigeon]

crossplay needs feature parity, not account parity

e.g. ffxiv

[zealous knot]

Wait, say Mojang went through with migrating to xlive accounts, they'd drop the old system meaning that would cut down their expenses right? Or am I missing something?

[wide chasm]

No, it's because their current system is bad.

[pulsar wigeon]

"expenses" what even argument is this

[zealous knot]

I know that.

It's not an argument ffs im asking.

[limber knot]

I don't think the account system is taking up any meaningful amount of money

Maintainability would be one

[upper flicker]

It is real bad though from our end I'll give them that

[pulsar wigeon]

they're going to have the same old problems

[upper flicker]

The fact that they're considering using Xbox makes me think that it's even worse internally then

[zealous knot]

What do you mean from our end Z?

[pulsar wigeon]

my friend recently tried playing MC again after years...found out his account wasn't migrated cuz he never did it and now he's waiting "average response time: 2 months" to hear from support

[limber knot]

I am not sure if devs considered it or just management

[upper flicker]

I mean from the users end

inb4 it's the same system they used before the game really took off

[zealous knot]

How bad is it? I don't use it too often

[limber knot]

Would you be surprised?

[upper flicker]

No it's mojang

[limber knot]

They migrated to allow more games to be added

[zealous knot]

But then ended up adding like 2 more games.

[upper flicker]

And I realize that's, not nice, and counterproductive to just say "lol mojang"

But come on already

There isn't an eye roll emoji dramatic enough

[dusk drift]

1.14

[zealous knot]

[upper flicker]

StillBetterThanBethesda.wav

[limber knot]

Again, I doubt this would happen any time soon

[zealous knot]

Hey Z, how bad is the current system? Sorry for the question I just don't use it too often.

[limber knot]

But it would really solve a few problems

It lacks basic security features

[upper flicker]

MFA wasn't basic when it was launched

And tbh it's still not really basic for games launchers

[limber knot]

It's 2019 now tho

[robust quest]

Honestly, they need to figure out 2FA and call it a win.

[upper flicker]

They have some very trivial rate limiting

It's just not aged well

[placid thicket]

that moment when my username reminds me i am behind on updates >.>

[zealous knot]

Oh the rate limits.

[upper flicker]

Actually I think they still support the old original Minecraft accounts too

That's the real monkaS

[zealous knot]

Yeah those are pretty harsh lmao.

[upper flicker]

They should've forced everyone off of those long ago if they didn't already

[limber knot]

I think you can't use them anymore

[upper flicker]

Oh good

[limber knot]

And need to have them manually migrated

Not 100% sure tho

[zealous knot]

Is there people with unmigrated accounts that actively play these days anymore?

[upper flicker]

Those things were getting stolen all over the place

[quasi valley]

I dont think you can play with old accounts

[zealous knot]

Oh lol.

Wait no.

That's not right.

[upper flicker]

Back in the day when you could send the little launcher session token to others and just login too

[zealous knot]

I have a friend who still plays nowadays and their account is unmigrated.

[upper flicker]

back in my day

[placid thicket]

so what is the consensus on mappings being available? will it be as useful as know nothings on MCForums think? will it effect how paper is developed? just curious as this sever is the only minecraft team i talk to

[dusk drift]

[upper flicker]

It will be nice as we can use them for reference

[quasi valley]

oh can you? also in the new launcher and all?

[zealous knot]

Pretty sure.

[upper flicker]

Everyone serious is waiting on legal clarification before actually seriously depending on them

Which is the right move

[zealous knot]

I've seen them online very recently.

[quasi valley]

oh

[pulsar wigeon]

you can't

if you try and log in with an unmigrated account it tells you to migrate

[zealous knot]

[placid thicket]

what if you have the old old launcher?

[quasi valley]

think your friend is calling a prank on you

[limber knot]

Doesn't matter

[placid thicket]

or a third party one?

[pulsar wigeon]

you get an error then

[robust quest]

Curious what this topic is going to cover, and who is pushing it.
Monday Oct 7 - Anti-cheat & the competitive community

[upper flicker]

inb4 they start considering client side anticheat

[limber knot]

I really hope the community can migrate to mojang mappings

[zealous knot]

@quasi valley They're literally playing Minecraft right now lol.

[robust quest]

MC finally have a legit "fair play"

[upper flicker]

Tbh I don't think they'll get the approval from MS lawyers to let that happen

[quasi valley]

but how do you know that it's an unmigrated account :D

[upper flicker]

But it is seriously nice they're available for reference

And I would love to be wrong

[zealous knot]

@quasi valley. https://mc-heads.net/user/a6da6a0f148b4c829830f0beca2c41d8

[limber knot]

Let me clarify something. When the group got together, we setup a Google drive and everyone would write down ideas, we then compiled them into a big doc and then talked to Helen and picked topics for the meetings

[upper flicker]

Using the same mappings as Mojang, and the rest of the community would be wonderful

[limber knot]

Nothing was put on the agenda by Helen, mojang or mircosoft

[quasi valley]

ripperoni then, not sure how, but meh

[placid thicket]

that moment when people are STILL going on about multithreading and talking about how the MC server is monothreaded, its like have you actually run a server with task manager open before?

[zealous knot]

https://misterfix.io/i/552095659939991552.png

[merry talon]

the part that matters is still single threaded

[quasi valley]

I mean not sure how he's playing with that

I thought it gives a warning on login, too

[limber knot]

You sure you saw someone with a premium account with that name online?

[placid thicket]

perhaps he's fudging his own auth tokens

[limber knot]

Why thi

Tho

[placid thicket]

doesn't want mojang having his info? IDK what the logic is

[zealous knot]

Mini I played with the very recently on a 1.13 server.

[placid thicket]

which i KNOW they already do, but pretty sure everyone has seen that privacy copy pasta on facebook at this point

[dusk drift]

on facebook

[wide chasm]

I haven't

[placid thicket]

one second

[dusk drift]

I haven't logged into facebook for 3 months

[wide chasm]

I don't have a FB account

[zealous knot]

@wide chasm You saw wait online on duck's server right?

Wait.

Ffs autocorrect.

Cunt.

[wide chasm]

I know Duck mentioned that Awit had joined, but I think I had gone offline already then.

[placid thicket]

facebook copypasta

and people legit do this

[woven otter]

you have summoned duck

[zealous knot]

Duck you seen Awit online right?

[wide chasm]

Wtf is that message

[woven otter]

yeah

[zealous knot]

His account is unmigrated.

And he joined like the 1.14 server.

[wide chasm]

You can't just paste some legal looking words in a post and expect FB to follow that

[zealous knot]

Meaning you can still play on migrated accounts.

Unmigrated*

[dusk drift]

People are retarded

[vestal jasper]

You sign a waiver saying they can use whatever the fuck they want when you sign up.
You can't just retract that by saying "lol nvm"

[upper flicker]

'lol nvm'

By reading this message you agree to send me free tasty tacos

oh wow everybody

[static badge]

no

[dusk drift]

tacos

[wide chasm]

I had tacos today. I ate them already, though.

[zealous knot]

I bet Z buys tacos at like taco bell and fucking takes stock photos of them.

[upper flicker]

Taco Bell is to tacos as McDonalds is to hamburgers

[zealous knot]

It's literally future diarrhea.

[woven otter]

@upper flicker by reading this message you agree to not make me send you free tacos

[upper flicker]

You can do better

1 new blocked message

[dusk drift]

[zealous knot]

@woven otter By reading this message you agree that ur mum gey.

[dusk drift]

🦆 quak

[woven otter]

@zealous knot By reading this message you agree that this sentence is false

[robust quest]

What you think of when you hear Mojang is hosting meetings with the community to better their 10 Billion Dollar Game.

[upper flicker]

Oh well

[robust quest]

Reality

[woven otter]

mfw

[dusk drift]

I'm not blocked

[zealous knot]

@woven otter HA. I stopped reading after you agree that.

[upper flicker]

Annnnd now you're there too

[zealous knot]

So ur mum gey.

[dusk drift]

nuu 😦

[static badge]

can't block everyone

[upper flicker]

That's where you're wrong kiddo

[dusk drift]

raid his DMS

[zealous knot]

.block @everyone

[dusk drift]

can't block us all

[woven otter]

If you are reading this after showing blocked message you're not eligible for a free taco

[zealous knot]

LOL.

[static badge]

doubt

[upper flicker]

my DMs are always blocked

[zealous knot]

@static badge nuuuuu you changed ur pfp ;-;

[upper flicker]

Keeps people from bugging me directly for every single stupid issue

No I will not help you install java

[static badge]

Same

[placid thicket]

how much D E D I C A T E D W R A M do i need for a swerver?

[static badge]

Z pls

[woven otter]

how did leaf managed to react to message

[static badge]

Need java

[dusk drift]

Leaf just ignored me when I msged him 😦

[vestal jasper]

By reading this message you agree to give me admin privileges

[viral hornet]

He wasn't joking :(
https://i.imgur.com/IWk2iTo.png

[static badge]

Ur not on friends

[upper flicker]

Didn't agree to the edit

[vestal jasper]

By reading this message you agree to give me admin privileges

[zealous knot]

@upper flickerI open my DMS on weekends to see what kind of viruses, underage nudes, stupid help requests, and lonley singles in your area messages I can get in 48 hours, my records is 263.

[woven otter]

By reading this message you have read this message

[placid thicket]

can you please help me make minecraft 1.14 run on java 7 on XP? (legitimate thing someone was asking me on the forums)

[vestal jasper]

By reading this message you agree that cooked duck is tasty

[upper flicker]

Probably all from duck

[dusk drift]

[zealous knot]

Kek.

[upper flicker]

1.14 will run on XP with Java 8 fwiw

So tell him to update his java

[static badge]

[woven otter]

@vestal jasper u should be cooked

[upper flicker]

Not too far though, new versions of java 8 dropped support

[placid thicket]

getting java 8 to run on 32 bit XP is.... difficult...

[upper flicker]

It's gotta be like 8u30 or something

[vestal jasper]

@woven otter oh look a duck. time to get cooking 🔪

[woven otter]

🔫

[vestal jasper]

By reading this message you agree that @woven otter should be cooked and eaten.

[placid thicket]

MC relies on 52+ now does it not?

[dusk drift]

hes killing him self

[upper flicker]

Seemed to run fine for me but it was a test vm not like a serious thing

[woven otter]

By reading this message you agree to be banned from paper

[placid thicket]

were you running the rare and mythical 64bit windows XP?

by reading this message, you agree to not make more messages demanding people to read messages

[pulsar wigeon]

🗡 🦆

[woven otter]

wiz

I hope you get pinged

[grand slate]

@woven otter

I ate duck just now btw

Very nice, great sauce

[woven otter]

u should be turned into a sauce

[quasi valley]

duckist

[woven otter]

^

[upper flicker]

No I wasn't at the time

WinXP x64 is the teething release of windows x64 anyway

[grand slate]

@woven otter you should be cooked in a lovely sauce, great meal, michelin star restaurant

[quasi valley]

I can see you enslaving a duck someday

[grand slate]

Nah, i've been sending these messages to duck for like a year now

[quasi valley]

that's why I'm saying it

[grand slate]

Nah dw dw if i were to do that, i'd have done it already

[quasi valley]

now your dark secrets come to light

[grand slate]

I mean, my name is so wholesome 🙏 😔

[woven otter]

poopsplash don't try to be nasty now

[vestal jasper]

:^)

@upper flicker your move

oh wait

oh I can't make it print out just the mc version in F3

[woven otter]

why

[vestal jasper]

why what

[woven otter]

what aare you doing

[vestal jasper]

1.14 in win98

:^)

[worn ember]

just press f3?

[vestal jasper]

pressing f3 completely fills the screen

[upper flicker]

Yeah somebody said the same java versions that (barely) worked on XP could be massaged into working on even older versions

But I figured XP was far back enough for me

Was mostly testing something else

[worn ember]

MS DOS next

[vestal jasper]

I'm not reinstalling win 3.1

[woven otter]

compat for w95 when

[frigid ferry]

Just going to casually drop this here: https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/360047514492--Java-Edition-Performance-Enhancements-For-Minecraft-Servers-Multithreading-?flash_digest=6d4a6759f4108708a620fd7ee195faf33c162ef1

[vestal jasper]

mojang
concurrency

pick one

[void void]

Lol.

We've had pretty heated discussions about that post in the past

Namely it's submitted by someone who has no fucking idea what they're talking about

They're in this chat, too

[woven otter]

PaperSpigot

[limber knot]

@🦆> [Auto] We're now known as Paper.

[void void]

Oh I did, that's what my pin in this channel is re: "I publicly called you a retard on twitter."

[quasi valley]

ah 😂

[pulsar wigeon]

The update Minecraft needed 10 years ago

god people are retarded

[void void]

I swear to god

It's a bunch of fucking dumbasses commenting on something they know NOTHING about

[pulsar wigeon]

10 years ago
literally 2 weeks after notch announced 'cave game' on tigsource forums

[void void]

Can't even call it Dunning-Kruger because for that to apply you have to know at least something

[placid thicket]

And almost all of them are talking about 2b2t which makes me think some retard over there told them about it

[pulsar wigeon]

yea pretty much

[woven otter]

it's the update minecraft needed 55 years ago

[placid thicket]

Also there is the part where multithreadding does nothing to fix the actual serious performance issues Minecraft has, just gives them more cores to abuse

[golden gust]

and then you introduce contention issues and various other multithreading hell and end up with the whole process actually being slower

[void void]

They're just so stupid

And the person who brought it up comes in here smugly once in a while like

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-saturday-night-live-open-season-44-9P8NaLJyziExwFjM5w

[placid thicket]

I want to remind everybody, not only would this help with server size, but server crashing, with only 1 core servers are much more likely to crash, with 32-64, it would be a lot more unlikely. I think adding multi threading support is an absolute must

Like, wut

[void void]

Yeah

They just simply have no idea

[golden gust]

Depends on the context there

[void void]

And my comment explaining why it's a bad idea got removed by Mojang, and then that "hey every1 be nice and supportive here only" got posted

like "ur only allowed to upvote, if u dont agree just dont comment!"

[golden gust]

If they're talking about servers in general, e.g. I've seen many shared hosts offering only a single core which will kill performance

[void void]

That feedback site doesn't even have a downvote button

They ONLY let you upvote, and they won't allow anyone to post anything saying "downvote"

They just remove it

It's absolute bullshit

[placid thicket]

My VPS only gives me a single core and two threads, don't think people realize this is going to hurt

[void void]

So it looks like everyone on there is like yasss

When in reality, mojang is deleting anyone who disagrees

[quasi valley]

god reading some of the replies really does kill my last few braincells

[golden gust]

They don't want spam on the issue tracker, Just "downvote" doesn't add to the discussion

[void void]

That was just an example

[golden gust]

ur just an example

[void void]

I wrote a few paragraphs touching on each point

Deleted

[golden gust]

oh, rip

[vestal jasper]

@void void

[placid thicket]

Kinda wanna go in the MC discord and start a multithreadding flame war

[void void]

Yeah exactly.

[woven otter]

this is a perfect place for that

[quasi valley]

I followed a few streams of his and the amount of dumb questions and people - mind that he just played survival on his community server - he got is just tremendous

[woven otter]

how much dedodated wam do you need for server

[quasi valley]

just download some and you're good to go!

[woven otter]

u do it

[quasi valley]

no u

[woven otter]

u

[vestal jasper]

remember to use the ultron browser if you want to make use of all ur corez!

[quasi valley]

and if you make a spigot plugin, just do everything async for maximum performance!

[placid thicket]

Nah, use Cake, the first browser designed for mobile, which makes it better

That's their selling point

[vestal jasper]

don't forget, if you surround all of your code in empty catches, your plugin will never throw nasty looking exceptions and scare users!

[woven otter]

https://i.imgur.com/9GeEJA6.png
👀

[placid thicket]

I just got a 6cheese pizza with triple cheese and pepperoni. I can feel my cholesterol rising and I'm lactose intolerant, this will be fun...

is there a discord (or other service) i can join for more frequent updates and gossip than what gets posted to twitter?

[quasi valley]

are you talking about pizza or minecraft

[unreal quarry]

what doesnt kill you makes you stronger @placid thicket

[placid thicket]

minecraft staff, they don't really come on reddit anymore and i am banned from r/minecraft ;-;

i REALLY hope so Billy

[quasi valley]

I only know top notch pizza gossip, sorry

[placid thicket]

darn

where did that spotted message come from Duck?

[woven otter]

Concrete

[quasi valley]

concete has a discord?

[woven otter]

yes

https://i.imgur.com/hwc9V4J.png

F

[quasi valley]

l i n k

[woven otter]

https://discord.gg/BCydVQ

[unreal quarry]

ban for advertising forks!

😮

[woven otter]

u

[unreal quarry]

clears throat

Sorry about that. been spending too much time on spigotmc

[golden gust]

goes to grab his pitchfork

[woven otter]

you have a pitchfork

[tropic flame]

Imagine Windows suddenly uninstalling your graphics card drivers for no reason because fuck that, who needs them anyway? /s

[quasi valley]

don't forget the torches

[woven otter]

you have torches?

[quasi valley]

(unless it's too rainy in britain)

[woven otter]

you have rain?

[quasi valley]

we have everything

[unreal quarry]

pitch fork

runs away

[quasi valley]

he'll be banging that on your head to make music 😂

[woven otter]

cat will sing a song

[minor iron]

Concrete?

[woven otter]

no

[minor iron]

Another spigot fork?

[woven otter]

cement

[quasi valley]

stone

[minor iron]

Ok but

[woven otter]

paper fork

[minor iron]

What is it

Oh ok

[unreal quarry]

concrete is my competition at making the best fork of paper ever

(its losing, too)

[minor iron]

Is it meant to be Better or introduce new features?

[unreal quarry]

runs away

[woven otter]

provides experimental features that eventually make into paper

[minor iron]

Ah

That's quite epic

[clear temple]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-19w36a

Hell yeah. Obfuscation maps.

[minor iron]

That's old news

But yes it's epic

[clear temple]

yeah

[unreal quarry]

concrete has a few things that wont make it to paper, iirc

[static badge]

LOSING

I'm close to getting noticable perf diffs :>

just u wait billy

[pulsar wigeon]

"close"

[static badge]

u'll be moving to forking concrete

[woven otter]

High performance Paper fork that aims to fix gameplay and mechanics inconsistencies

[unreal quarry]

i have my eye on your tick thread per world thing you got going on

[static badge]

ye just need to finish testing some stuff

lol I doubt I

[unreal quarry]

doesnt seem complete, though

[static badge]

'll actually do that

I'm actively making changes that would fuck that one over

it'll be removed sometime

[unreal quarry]

😦

[woven otter]

no patches for pupur

[static badge]

threading the server is more work than it's worth

this shit needs to be burned to the ground and started again for that to be effective

[unreal quarry]

i think its doable, at least per world

[static badge]

per world is still retarded

I don't want to imagine all the state that's held statically and not per world

[unreal quarry]

no idea 😛 i spend most of my time in entities :3

[limber knot]

Dinnerbone tried doing thread per world for 1.10 or so, iirc

[static badge]

there's also timings

timings is definitely not something that's remotely ready for that

[placid thicket]

my grasp on Java is only marginal (cheated my way through the course then dropped out) and even i can see mountains of potential issues that would need to be fixed, that and multiverse would stop being practical really fast

[static badge]

and per world ticking isn't generally useful

since most players will just be on one world

failing that you literally setup a proxy to transfer between worlds

[placid thicket]

on a side note, don't cheat on programming, i really wish i didn't and now basically have to start over at my own cost

[limber knot]

I think most ppl in here learned programming outside of formal education

Like, I have a bachelor's in a CS related field but when I started that I was already doing Minecraft stuff for like 6 years 😂

[worn ember]

^^^

im still doing my bachelor

[placid thicket]

i had an in depth highschool introduction, would have been an excellent start, unfortunately i was too lazy to do the work and just scanned and uploaded other people's code printouts

[worn ember]

lmao

[limber knot]

Uni courses on programming don't really prepare you for real projects anyways

[worn ember]

i havent learned much programming

more like how to program

[limber knot]

Programming in school was a shit show

[worn ember]

if that makes sense

class desing and stuff

but yeah, our teacher was so good we ended up with 3 people in our theory classes

[placid thicket]

while i understand that, learning something where you can just ask the teacher for help is better than trying to figure it out all on your own, at least for me

[worn ember]

out of 40+

everyone else bailed xD

well our teacher was like "you have a book right? Use it"

like wtf 🙂

[unreal quarry]

thats the best way to learn programming

imho, it cant be taught. only learned

[placid thicket]

our school actually had a very skilled programmer and network technician for our computer courses, he ran 5 classes in the same room at the same time and taught everyone for first year uni credit

[unreal quarry]

guided, maybe. but not taught

[worn ember]

i mean sure, but he was a horrible teacher non the less

[limber knot]

Programming is all about experience

[placid thicket]

guiding is what i was looking for really, i get distracted FAR too easilly and take stupid shortcuts i know will fuck me over down the line because i am lazy

[worn ember]

i learned more programming myself through docs and tutorials than what i learned in school

[limber knot]

Do mistakes, face errors, google for hours, find solution, never do that mistake again

[worn ember]

Do mistakes, face errors, google for hours, find solution, never do that mistake again~

if only 😉

[limber knot]

That's what it boils down to if you have a memory like me 😂

I swear, my memory fucked me over so many times

[static badge]

googling solutions

[worn ember]

i mean, i'd forget what i had for lunch the day before let alone remember all those things

[placid thicket]

its my dad's fault really, when i was little he would beat the shit out of us if we spelt a word wrong, played the wrong note, looked the wrong direction or was just standing in the wrong place. so me and my brother learned that if you just don't do the work you don't get beat, growing up that way it is now a very hard habit to break as an adult

[limber knot]

Not just in programming, but just generally life

Like, fun story

[wooden blade]

There’s no better option than diving in and just breaking stuff; if your computer starts smoking then you can request some help, or just pull the plug. Of course it doesn’t hurt to have backups. (Or just use some kind of sandbox)

[woven otter]

good memory or bad memory

[limber knot]

Went on a date last weekend with a girl I know for a year now via shared friends

[static badge]

did you fuck

[unreal quarry]

programming isnt about memorization. its about thought process and comprehension

[quasi valley]

Spotted asking the important questions here

[static badge]

[limber knot]

Had a fun night and stuff, but something didn't feel right like on other dates

[worn ember]

i find it hard to have conversations with normiest ha tknow nothing about programming cuz its literally my life lol

[limber knot]

Talked again next day

[unreal quarry]

same, dark

:3

[limber knot]

Well, writing over WhatsApp

[quasi valley]

Maybe you’re the normie

[wooden blade]

At least he didn’t say “was there any I/O involved”

[limber knot]

Turns out she's lesbian 😂

[woven otter]

so did bad memory or good memory fucked you over then

[worn ember]

[quasi valley]

Waow 😂

[limber knot]

And I knew it since we talked before about that 😂

[woven otter]

sucks to be you

[static badge]

yeah but did you fuck

[worn ember]

he got fucked

[unreal quarry]

hey, maybe she has a bi friend that's into 3 somes

never know

[static badge]

exactly

[wooden blade]

Just tell her that you’re also a lesbian, maybe that’ll pique her interest?

[placid thicket]

big think there billy

[limber knot]

Nah we talked about 3 somes actually 😂

[worn ember]

bi people are the best kind tbh, you can have 3somes

[quasi valley]

[woven otter]

Dark pls

[worn ember]

just dont let the tips touch

cuz that gey

[wooden blade]

or cross the streams?

[placid thicket]

its not gay if you wear socks

[worn ember]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kid-computer-thumbs-up-face-gif-9548945

[woven otter]

it's not gay if you don't like it

[quasi valley]

Then it’s rape, duck

😂

[limber knot]

So yeah, train your brains guys 😂😂

[placid thicket]

nah, you can just hate fuck

[worn ember]

Mini how old are you?

[limber knot]

22

[quasi valley]

prolly 12

See

[woven otter]

Mini so you were fucked over because you forgot things

[limber knot]

Am old as fuck

[worn ember]

wtf ur only a year older than me and already achieved 10x what i have xD

[wooden blade]

Not really. Mini

[unreal quarry]

Achievement Get: Turned down by lesbian

[worn ember]

i mean 10x 0 is still 0 but u get the point

[woven otter]

mini same age and still has more achieved of what I have

[quasi valley]

You mean turned on, billy

[placid thicket]

i am a few months short of common law and my spouse owns our house, im 22 he's 23

[quasi valley]

[unreal quarry]

lol

[limber knot]

Did you just call a date with a lesbian an achievement? 😂

[wooden blade]

“Bi yourself Dinner”

[woven otter]

who paid on the date tbh

that's the real question

[placid thicket]

you see, she was bi, but then she went on a date with you, now just lesbian

[limber knot]

I

[woven otter]

F

[unreal quarry]

i think its funny hearing about the non-existant sex lives of early 20s people. i find it fascinating, since I had my first kid when i was 16.

[worn ember]

if you paid she had to suck tbh

its only fair

[quasi valley]

Mine’s even less than non existent

[limber knot]

I don't mind paying, like she offered to share

[woven otter]

can't have a sex life if you don't go outside

[worn ember]

@unreal quarry its actually a new trend lol

[placid thicket]

my SO gives me an allowance because i dont work, when we go out i offer to pay all the time and he just rolls his eyes and smiles, feels bad man

[limber knot]

I know that I earn more than she does

[worn ember]

@woven otter you can be a cam girl

cuz she a wemen

[wooden blade]

You can get practically anything shipped to your door these days

[worn ember]

wemen earn less by default

[limber knot]

No

[quasi valley]

We had one girl take a break from school for a year in 12th grade and that was already quite the gossip and unique situation

[limber knot]

This is germany

We got unions

[worn ember]

[woven otter]

I mean if sex with yourself qualifies as sex life then it's good

[worn ember]

or so you think

[limber knot]

Starting wages are pretty much equal here

[worn ember]

same

[limber knot]

(at least in my industry, insurance/IT)

[woven otter]

pay gap is an illusion

[worn ember]

https://i.imgur.com/p6dUbY4.gifv "video paused"

i rigged the system bois

[limber knot]

It's not, lol

It's a real problem

Just not at our age

[woven otter]

is it actually

[worn ember]

then why did you say i'm lying 👀

i'm always right

rimworld source is the best

[unreal quarry]

poor aikar. i told him about dorian last week, but he shrugged it off as a non threat. now its practically on top of him ^_^

[limber knot]

Unless you 5-10 miles off the coast you're probably fine

Even a lot of those areas will be fine

[static badge]

dorian?

[limber knot]

Some weather thing

U call em hurricanes iirc

[static badge]

.g dorian

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/hurricane-dorian-us-florida/index.html -- Tuesday coverage of Dorian - CNN: "1 day ago ... Hurricane Dorian is tracking its way north, near Florida's east coast. Follow here for the latest forecasts and news updates."

[unreal quarry]

bahamas got the worst of it (190mph winds and 24 foot surge), but its not gonna die out until it rides the east coast all the way up into canada :S

[static badge]

it gon git aikar?

[unreal quarry]

he's about 100 miles from the coast, iirc

[pulsar wigeon]

[4:42 PM] Billy: i think its funny hearing about the non-existant sex lives of early 20s people. i find it fascinating, since I had my first kid when i was 16.
did your wife happen to be 11 at the time? Kappa

[unreal quarry]

she was 18

😛

[static badge]

statutory rape

[limber knot]

See, ppl over here use condoms 🙈

[woven otter]

is she still your wife

[unreal quarry]

we were never married, and no. left her when i turned 18 because i realized she would always see and treat me as the younger one

[woven otter]

ahh i see

[limber knot]

Every discord should have this emoji added https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/258839933882466305.png

Isn't that tiny on discord?

[magic river]

Yeah, sadly custom emoji don't get the bigger size when they're used standalone

[vernal moth]

Oh you just send the image

[magic river]

The image link does though, yeah 😛

[vernal moth]

The bot replaces normal discord emoji with the image link so I couldn't tell

[limber knot]

(only custom stuff, Unicode works of course)

[placid thicket]

God, this cheese pizza was a mistake... My guts are coming out my ass

[acoustic pilot]

ok

[vestal jasper]

ok

[hot gorge]

Hot 🐍

[placid thicket]

so totally put that in the wrong discord... just gunna rock it i guess...

[minor iron]

Prototype server webstore functions

Woo

Also hello wulf

[hot gorge]

I was going to troll and paste this in the #swifties-club but it seems the force field from the Endor moon is still active. https://loudwire.com/tool-fear-inoculum-likely-numer-1-taylor-swift/

[minor iron]

ha

[acoustic pilot]

Tool is massively stupid for being so late to the streaming scene lol

All that lost opportunity cost

Glad they finally pulled their heads out of their asses, though

[hot gorge]

I don't know, man.

[acoustic pilot]

They got a die-hard fanbase but without streaming, there wasn't any room for real growth.

They were basically becoming an underground band (as in, nobody was discovering them)

They just don't have the same clout that Swift has

[hot gorge]

We shall see!

[acoustic pilot]

I think with streaming, and a kickass new album, it will bump their visibility a lot

[hot gorge]

They had 10 songs on the top digital charts

[acoustic pilot]

Their music is good, it's great. They just don't have the growth you see with streaming artists.

[hot gorge]

Undertow toped at 19, Aenima 2, Lateralus 1 and 10000 Days at 1. It's not like they have never been on the top before.

[unreal quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShM-EOAlj4

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Every TOOL Fan Ever - length 3m - 19,080 likes, 836 dislikes (95.8%) - 364,756 views - MetalSucks on 2019.08.28

[acoustic pilot]

Having reached top charts isn't mutually exclusive with lack of growth.

[hot gorge]

At least we're not weebs

[acoustic pilot]

So not sure what's being proven there lol

Tool should be bigger than they are now.

They aren't because they made some poor choices.

But they are on track to rectify that now.

Fanaticism works really well for Swift, not as well for Tool.

[hot gorge]

I as a fan, have respected their reasons for not going through with putting their music on streaming services x

Their albums aren't geared towards the skip around and shuffle play lists of today.

[unreal quarry]

who cares about #1? tool is better than that ^_^

[acoustic pilot]

As a fan, I never purchased any of their albums. It's either on streaming service or I'm probably not listening to it.

[unreal quarry]

its all just fun and games for them

[acoustic pilot]

I like their music, not enough to pay for it.

For the whole album, I mean

[hot gorge]

And their album artwork isn't something you can experience in a download

[acoustic pilot]

This is how most people listen to music

[hot gorge]

And that's why it's awesome they're defying the odds.

[acoustic pilot]

More like, it wasn't working out so they decided to stream

[hot gorge]

Fucking gen z shits

[acoustic pilot]

If they were so good at defying the odds and happy with their level of growth, they would've stuck to their convictions.

But clearly streaming is better for them.

[hot gorge]

"wasn't working for them"

[acoustic pilot]

To the extent that they would've hoped.

Sure.

Not all growth is the same lol

They clearly want a bigger share of the musical pie.

So they got into streaming

[unreal quarry]

maybe they're just trying to reach the younger generation that doesnt buy albums anymore

the weirdos

[acoustic pilot]

No shit

As I have been saying this whole time

They want more exposure

Nobody is discovering them when they aren't streaming

[unreal quarry]

not for money, for the message

[hot gorge]

CD>mp3

[unreal quarry]

^

[acoustic pilot]

Tool are very much musical purists, yes.

Most people aren't.

[unreal quarry]

i miss the days when all music was sold by the album. you either bought the album, or you waited for the radio to play it

[hot gorge]

I ordered the Fear Inoculum deluxe today. They're selling more of them because of demand

[acoustic pilot]

They aren't just audiophiles, they are almost philosophical in the way they want their music to be heard.

But people don't go for that

So their fan base ends up being die hard 30 year olds who will buy their albums no matter what, but not much beyond that.

[unreal quarry]

i havent heard the new songs yet only because i refuse to listen to them separately :S i'm also kinda broke so havent been able to buy the album yet

[hot gorge]

I'm beginning to think that you have a very narrow scope of the music industry

[unreal quarry]

tbh, i like puscifer and a perfect circle better.

[acoustic pilot]

Fact is nobody listens to whole albums in order anymore

[unreal quarry]

wrong

just because you dont, doesnt mean nobody does

[acoustic pilot]

You know what I mean when I say nobody.

Statistically irrelevant people.

This is just a natural consequence of people not buying whole albums altogether.

[unreal quarry]

you know, from the opposite side of the spectrum i like to look at your side as short attention spanned. for real, go to a club what do you get? 60 seconds of a song then its on to another song. cant even last long enough for your own hip hop/pop songs lol

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic pilot]

Are you just making assumptions about my listening habits based me just stating the reality of how most people enjoy their music? lol

[unreal quarry]

i'm just holding an opposing view to what you're perpetuating here

[hot gorge]

If people didn't listen to whole ablums why is Lover doing so well?

[unreal quarry]

keep it interesting ^_^

[acoustic pilot]

Swift is an fanatical anomaly as I pointed out. She has the fanatics and clout.

She is very good about her marketing

[unreal quarry]

tbh, i never heard of her until this discord

[hot gorge]

How?

[unreal quarry]

i dont listen to pop :S

[acoustic pilot]

It's pop.

Not metal or rock.

Does it really have to be explained?

[hot gorge]

I think her music is dull and I still know a handful of her songs

Billy, ever listen to Katatonia?

[unreal quarry]

no idea who that is :3

[acoustic pilot]

I mean I hope I don't have to explain why demographics shift towards pop (aka popular music)

[hot gorge]

Sweedish metal group

Very cool stuff

None screaming

[unreal quarry]

i listen to mostly american metal. i know a few british metal bands, like In Flames. but not many

[hot gorge]

Well if you like tool, you'll like them.

[unreal quarry]

Jinjer isnt american. idk where she's from tho

never cared enough to look it up :3

[hot gorge]

Killswitch has a new album out too

[unreal quarry]

yeah, and howard is on one of the tracks \o/

well, at least one that i know of (hopefully more)

[hot gorge]

I haven't heard it yet

[unreal quarry]

i watched the video on YT. was good song, then i saw howard and flipped shits

[hot gorge]

Just the single

[unreal quarry]

my wife didnt know why i was screaming for a good 3 minutes

lol

him and jesse sound good together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N0ShfOOEq4

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Killswitch Engage - The Signal Fire - length 3m 6s - 88,652 likes, 1,064 dislikes (98.8%) - 1,858,686 views - Killswitch Engage on 2019.08.20

[earnest basalt]

What's the purpose of running a Minecraft Server in a docker?

[dusk drift]

Whats the purpose or running anything in a docker?

[earnest basalt]

Sounds like I don't understand docker that well then.

[hot gorge]

Lots of things can be useful in a docker

[void void]

more reproducible, dont have to worry what version of X, Y and Z the host machine has installed

that's all defined in your code (dockerfile)

[limber knot]

<B​il​ly​> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N0ShfOOEq4 > clicked on the link, almost got a hearth attack.

(stonar96) Killswitch Engage - The Signal Fire - length 3m 6s - 88,705 likes, 1,066 dislikes (98.8%) - 1,862,866 views - Killswitch Engage on 2019.08.20

[gloomy sphinx]

I am pretty fucking confused

I keep getting this error when I leave an item in an anvil

https://hastebin.com/irufuliqol.bash

the item vanishes and that error occurs

it seems to be related to ultimaterepairing. I only have 3 plugins and when I remove ultimaterepairing the issue goes away

the part i am confused about is I have this exact same setup on another server

but it doesnt do this

I cannot figure out why

I reset all the plugins, reuploaded the server.jar everything I could think of

same docker environment

how the shit does that even happen

maybe bungee

[zealous knot]

Someone say something controversial so we can start an interesting conversation

[acoustic pilot]

the earth is a cube

[void void]

kotlin. javascript. skript

windows is the best OS

prplz is not actually purple

he's yellow

controversial but true

my leg is asleep fml

[cosmic raft]

well

that was a fun day

start time: 4:41am
end time: 21:48
total hours: 17:07

worked 17 hours today

[tawdry coyote]

did u get paid overtime

[void void]

is there a new widely used factions plugin, or is factionsUUID the one to use?

[cosmic raft]

8 hours of normal time, 4 hours of time and a half, and 5 hours of double time

i think it is

[void void]

@cosmic raft so enough money to buy a 1GB phone plan in canada?

[cosmic raft]

lol

[limber knot]

Ello boys

Anyone on dis thing atm?

[grand slate]

@Hawaiiian_Stlye#0000 yes

[void void]

Hello

@void void i've used (modified) factionsuuid

Just joined to ask a question, got an answer aleady hue hue

lighter than current mcore factions

@void void since you're here too in this channel just in case

[gloomy sphinx]

true random is not real random

@stiff yarrow

[void void]

io.netty.channel.abstractchannel$annotatedconnectexception connection refused mean anything to anyone on a dedi?

connection is refused

in other words, client is unable to connect to the server/proxy

The dedi/box is up though, everything seems fine.

So that's why we're confused.

firewall?

I run a mac

So

Doubt

well, on the dedi

you haven't said much about the server environment - what panel/no panel? distro?

(what does being on mac have to do with there being no firewall tbh)

My buddy is the friend running the server, he

isn't giving me much info to work with

Perhaps your buddy should be the one to come in here

It's very difficult if not impossible to give support by proxy

Something is going to be lost in translation

[earnest basalt]

So 1.14 is broken?

[void void]

huh?

[earnest basalt]

performance problems?

[void void]

it's not, just performs worse than previous versions

in my experence atleast

[earnest basalt]

yeah I'm kinda having tps issues

[acoustic pilot]

welcome to 1.14

[void void]

.optimize

[limber knot]

Guide for optimizing performance: https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-server-optimization⚡.283181/

[void void]

.flags

[limber knot]

Optimized & Recommended JVM Startup Flags: https://mcflags.emc.gs

[void void]

villager limiter, pillager limiter, farm limiter

if you haven't done all of those, then do them

then come back

Also provide a timings report.

(And do not just copy the flags. Read the page)

reading is overrated my dude

never read, just copypaste

and hope for the best

I know you're joking but so many people do just that and then complain and it's infuriating

of course

So much good info and research ;c

[void void]

Waiting for literally one episode of this show to download so I can see if I even like it or not.

[void void]

factionsuuid doesnt build on my machine but builds on docker, some weird shit is going on here

So far unimpressed with this show but ok I'll keep watching

Takes selfie during surgery and forgets to monitor anethestic, patient wakes up and hits doctor, doctor slices his fucking artery and patient dies on the table

Doctor: Moves to blame the anesthetician

All doctors around table: Actually, let's say he had a heart attack. Cover dis shit up.

[rigid oasis]

Why is papermc discord veryfied?

[unreal quarry]

because why not?

[rigid oasis]

Thought only big servers of youtubers (hate that kind of people..) get verified=?

[unreal quarry]

thought wrong 😉

[void void]

open source projects can get verified

https://discordapp.com/open-source

[rigid oasis]

Interesting.. so papermc is in that list?

[void void]

yeah if you click view more

a few other mc projects/orgs in there too

[rigid oasis]

And this is the same as "normal, payed" verification?

[unreal quarry]

wat?

[void void]

im not sure what you're referring to

[heady spear]

Hospital food is the worst

[void void]

You don't pay for verification.

[heady spear]

I’m thinking of running away

[rigid oasis]

I mean, are verified open-source servers getting the same features as normal verified servers?

[grand slate]

@heady spear yes come to the uk

[void void]

Yes. Verified is verified.

[heady spear]

This is my third day here and I’m bloody bored

[void void]

There are also partner servers, but those are not verified. It's entirely different.

(When you think of a Twitch or YT discord, you're thinking partner.)

and then theres this server boosting thing too

[rigid oasis]

This is my third day here and I’m bloody bored
But you someone has already stolen your table? 😉

[void void]

(And in-fact, I think Paper is partner, not verified)

I need to sleep

Mistyping shit

[rigid oasis]

yes, i know the difference between partner and verifyed..

[void void]

it says verified when you mouseover the badge

[rigid oasis]

^^

[void void]

Oh, well, then I really need to sleep then.

i've had it up to here with this factions maven project

the structure is very strange!'

[acoustic pilot]

If Paper was a partner, I wouldn't be able to call you retards.

[void void]

Shat up retard

[acoustic pilot]

Yet here I am

Calling you retards

[void void]

no u

discord sucks

if it allowed third party clients then it wouldn't suck

[grand slate]

@heady spear wait why r u in hospital,m

?*

[void void]

forgot to drink his milk