#general | PaperMC | Page 355

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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not furry 😠

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:02 AM

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hmm

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this cute girl next to me has declared weebs are actually at the top of the list for being cultured

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😄

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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leaf

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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marriage or it's not real

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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nossr didn't even say you were furry

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if you got defensive if someone said that furries were bad

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you're a furry

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sorry

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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oh shit

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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that's just how it works

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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❗

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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wow leaf is getting logic smacked by brian

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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no that's a misreading of the conversation

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 AM

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let's go over this yeah

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:04 AM

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I'm not saying you're a furry, you just do and say all the things that furries do by coincidence

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Kappa

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:04 AM

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by coincidence

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:04 AM

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☝

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by coincidence 😉

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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u always say I'm furry

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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n-no

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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but I'm not 😠

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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👀

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question

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did you or did you not engage in roleplay activities where you pretended to be a cat

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 AM

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weebs are superior to furries

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just stating a fact

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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sorry leaf you're gonna have to work extra hard to convince us you're not a furry

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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I rest my case

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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6 years ago I tried that and wasn't a fan

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kappa

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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once a furry

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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yeah I'm sure Kappa

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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always a furry

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I rest my case 🔨 night people

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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I for one have never felt compelled to pretend to be an animal...

austere ivy Sep 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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(pretend the hammer is a gavel okay?)

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:07 AM

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mfw

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doubt

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:10 AM

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spotted

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I want to ask one question you must answer truthfully

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😈

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 AM

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sure kappa

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 AM

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have you ever masturbated to images of animal people

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check and mate

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 AM

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no

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 AM

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doubt

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 AM

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mfw

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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well I have so you need to catch up

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😄

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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wait

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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do anime girls with cat ears count? Kappa

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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only if they are secretly male

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then ofc

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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trap anime cat men

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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❤

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:12 AM

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monkaMEGA

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:13 AM

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traps > actual women

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get with the program

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if you can't masturbate to a guy in dress with cat ears I don't want to live in this world

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gideonpride

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 AM

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sounds like a really familiar character from an isekai but can't remember who/which show lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 AM

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re zero

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f_thinking

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 AM

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oh yeah lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 AM

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✅

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 AM

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spoilers

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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not a spoiler

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:15 AM

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its only exciting because you know the character is male

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weSmart

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you can take almost any anime and make it better with a trap

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prove me wrong

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😄

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Ixion Saga DT had a trap, one of the main protagonists

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And yeah, she made the show a lot better lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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adds to list of anime to watch

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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I think they kept a male voice actor too, imitating a female voice (so it was obvious)

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:17 AM

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my man pog

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keep the trap anime recommendations coming... for no particular reason

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:18 AM

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this chat MonkaChrist

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:18 AM

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That's the only one I think can think of lol

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Maybe there's more tho

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Goku dolls is an anime about men forced into a sex change if that's your thing its a comedy 😄

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Oh yeah, seen it around on Netflix, gotta watch it

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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personally I prefer guys to have their junk intact

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Forced into a sex change to become idols at the order of their Yakuza boss lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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yep

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Gokudo = Wicked Path (Yakuza) , Dolls = Idols

acoustic pilot Sep 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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So basically you got like 3 yakuzas in cute girl bodies living dual personalities on and off stage lol

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Basically Yakuza Idols more or less

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Japanese love their puns

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:21 AM

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there I have what I need from the store

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Welcome back 😄

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:21 AM

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not home yet

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just left the store

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Hmm there was a pretty good romantic drama that featured a trap

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trying to remember its name

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somewhat recent anime

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it had a high score on mal

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setting was high school themed

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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.optimize

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:23 AM

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📎 IMG_20190904_212300.jpg

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so many thing

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📎 Screenshot_20190904-212423.png

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music!

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:24 AM

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oh been a while since I heard that song

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:24 AM

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great song

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ageee!?

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📎 Screenshot_20190904-212555.png

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this too

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:26 AM

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gideonpride

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I Saw Your Cock On Craigslist

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:27 AM

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LOL

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didn't notice the album list there...

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I have deemed it too NSFW

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I'm not removing my message

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OOC time

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:31 AM

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every day the nossr lore about being a degenerate gets deeper kappapride

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I have a lot of work to get to your level though

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you're a degenrate and ashamed of it

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:31 AM

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my level?

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:31 AM

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I'm open about it

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😄

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therefor I'm superior Kappa

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:32 AM

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no 😠

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:33 AM

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imagine being ashamed of the stuff you like in 2019

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LUL

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:34 AM

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only thing you should be ashamed of is anime

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:34 AM

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or being a leaf

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:34 AM

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you know the japanese only produce anime to take over the west in revenge of hiroshima right

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:34 AM

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even if that's true, it's working

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:35 AM

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even if

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yeah it is

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that's why you should be ashamed of it

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:35 AM

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im not a weeb so no need

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 4:35 AM

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there should be no tolerance of being manipulated

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:36 AM

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im listening to bowling for soup again and this is throwback, damn i used to listen to the fuck outta this band

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:36 AM

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🙄

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more people would respect you if you just embraced your interests

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:37 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsIoZt6vGU

YouTube

BowlingForSoupVEVO

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cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:37 AM

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1985

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Oh, oh you can't sing
But you still put me to sleep
Baby, you're a bitch

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Great song

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lul

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:37 AM

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.g ain't my bitch metallica youtube

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:37 AM

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ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Well I was in the office for more than 12 hours today

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:38 AM

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🤗

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:38 AM

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bleh

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can't suggest/prefill things in a google sheet cell

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:38 AM

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do it in excel and convert it over

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:38 AM

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A solid like 5 of those hours trying to fix probably the most bullshit bug I've ever seen that has completely defeated me, still not fixed

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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i don't know excel

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nor do I have it

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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(actually not familiar with excel or google sheets)

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.g you are a pirate .swf

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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whats with all the spreadsheet work lately kash

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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for work

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:39 AM

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@cosmic raft how could I possibly have a class file not found error at compile time when the jar is clearly in the compile gradle configuration?

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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class not in final jar?

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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corrupted download

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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It is

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Download is fine

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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check it in a decompiler?

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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^

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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It's log4j

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Yeah it's fine

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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ah I think I know what's happening

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do you have SpecialSource running on anything?

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:40 AM

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No

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This is for a work project

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:41 AM

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no idea then unlesss you share gradle buildscript

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:41 AM

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do the imports in the decompiled classes match the internal structure of the binary?

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:41 AM

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I might be able to share parts

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But not right now... Was working on this for 12 hours

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:41 AM

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I'd double check the imports in a decompiler

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🚪 🏃

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:42 AM

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Meh I can't really give enough context I guess

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:42 AM

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you're probably just tired and need to sleep

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:42 AM

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^^

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simple is most likely right

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:42 AM

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But the biggest thing is, this is absolutely the most bullshit bug I've ever seen

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:42 AM

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its probably some obvious shit and you're a sleepy boi

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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That's true

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But it's not obvious

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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go to sleep deal with it in the monring

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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@void void see pm

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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its not obvious until it is

void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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oh

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let me see

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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anyways I don't know enough to comment

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good luck my dude!

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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It tricked intellij at leasf

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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😄

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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So it can't be that obvious

plain raven Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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are you debugging it?

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or

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Thonk

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nevermind I'm a tired boi myself

cosmic raft Sep 5, 2019, 4:44 AM

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@stiff yarrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Dx6ztJ8jw

YouTube

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void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:46 AM

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i want to have a sex battle

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:47 AM

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me too

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sounds fun

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 4:51 AM

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God I just feel bad

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I wish I hadn't stayed so late

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That was so stupid

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And on top of it all I didn't even fix my problem

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 4:54 AM

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I try not to solve difficult issues when my brain is tired

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I always regret it

abstract ferry Sep 5, 2019, 4:58 AM

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void void Sep 5, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Your name.

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Why?

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what are these "placeholder" plugins for and why should i use them?

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glorified string replacer
you (probably) shouldn't

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ok thanks

stiff yarrow Sep 5, 2019, 5:05 AM

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They can be useful

void void Sep 5, 2019, 5:05 AM

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i just want some info in my tablist footer

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i mean, placeholder api is probably all you need

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but multiple placeholder plugins?

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nah

wheat bough Sep 5, 2019, 5:14 AM

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obtuse drum Sep 5, 2019, 6:19 AM

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heady spear Sep 5, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Papi is quite good despite clip being a 💩

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Hospital food has to be the most miserable thing. If there’s any reason to avoid getting sick it’s the food.

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And the coffee tastes like it was brewed in a dog’s ass

void void Sep 5, 2019, 6:42 AM

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like, city?

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it was brewed in a dog's ass

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you'd know what that tastes like?

merry talon Sep 5, 2019, 6:54 AM

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the worlds most expensive coffee is literally made in the ass of an animal

spring wedge Sep 5, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Haha oof

static badge Sep 5, 2019, 7:07 AM

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ur not wrong

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 7:08 AM

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I know there's some pretty lunatic caffeine addicts

spring wedge Sep 5, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Wasn’t it bat poo? I saw a rapper drink that stuff on a video

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 7:08 AM

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but why

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lefbad

heady spear Sep 5, 2019, 7:08 AM

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They’re keeping me in postop for another day

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Yay

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 7:21 AM

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;(

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Hospitals are shit

heady spear Sep 5, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Lel ye

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My calcium levels are way down so they have me chewing these disgusting pills

spring wedge Sep 5, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Sorry friend

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Sad_Waddle_Dee

heady spear Sep 5, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Lel it’s Gucci but I miss my computer systems lecture and that’s annoying

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Because the PowerPoint she uploaded is fucking useless and I want to learn assembly subroutine calling conventions 😐

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 7:30 AM

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On a lighter note, 2 ppl have vomitted next to me in 2 days. It's getting to the point where it's probably more

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Me*

heady spear Sep 5, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Is it you causing them to vomit? The

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The? Sure

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Oh

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That is literally what you wrote

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I think I’m high

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Lel

random seal Sep 5, 2019, 9:23 AM

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void void Sep 5, 2019, 10:46 AM

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grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Welcome

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 11:35 AM

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Hi guys, how seen this announcements ?

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vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 11:35 AM

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most of us have seen the announcements on the mappings yeah

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 11:36 AM

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I'm going crazy right here 😮

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Now with a oficial mapping, you guys plan to migrate from the why that bukkit actualy mapping ?

vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Variable names are still obfd

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no mappings for those

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and paper uses whatever spigot uses

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so it's a question of what md_5 plans to do

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:17 PM

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~~md69 will just scrap all mappings whatsoever so only he himself knows what is what~~

vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 12:20 PM

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keep the mappings but reobf/remove the mappings before the jar /patches / etc are generated

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:^)

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Variables will became more easy to do the mapping i think, now we know the method name, field name and class name, package name (i think is just that)

vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 12:21 PM

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can't complain about mapping changes if no mappings are used

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:21 PM

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I realy don't like the way the md_5 does the spigot mapping, mcp is much better

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Because of legal reasons they can very likely not be used by spigot

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Sponge have performance issues compare to Paper, I never use it because of that, my servers normaly take 300 players online, Sponge I think this will never happen with 20tps

jaunty oriole Sep 5, 2019, 12:22 PM

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i remember a twitter post saying they obfuscate for space saving and more technical reasons, and besides, minecraft isn't open source

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:22 PM

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But something that I LOVE in Sponge is the MCP mapping and Mixins

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:23 PM

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sponge has some of the same major gains hidden behind config options

mossy light Sep 5, 2019, 12:23 PM

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worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:23 PM

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🐸

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:24 PM

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yeh, I know, but nothing like async chunk loading, this is pretty cool

mossy light Sep 5, 2019, 12:24 PM

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🐸

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:24 PM

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They're in a modded environment

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Things like async chunks gets pretty stupid fast in such environments

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:25 PM

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async chuncks sound dangerous

void void Sep 5, 2019, 12:26 PM

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depends who does it

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:26 PM

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I really like the sponge API, like a API, but, looking with yes for performance, the why that Sponge API is done, I think that they use so much more memory then Paper

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Optional is great but and the garbage generate by him? is big? I don't, you guys know?

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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memory is cheap af

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and no it's not

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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well a null would be faster

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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optionals are a design choice, the performance impact is negligible

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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but optionals do have their benefits

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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The kotlin why to work with null types is faster 👀

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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kotlin compiles to bytecode

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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if everything that could potentially return null was annotated properly than there'd be no issue

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but that isn't the case

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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if optionals compiled without using objects, they'd be as fast

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lmao

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Kotlin just stuffs null assertions all over the place and prays

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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wait really

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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new paper api coded in rust

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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is there no runtime checks

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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I think the same wiz, is just a compiler plugin to make Optionals better

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

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just compiletime?

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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at runtime it'll basically add a throw to any nullable paramater etc

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Yeh, at runtime

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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oic

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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compile time optionals would be great

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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so it's like jetbrain's notnull annotation with the compiler option turned on

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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Yup

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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gross

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(implementation at least, language feature is cool whatevs floats your boat)

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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but I seen in somewhere that have a way to remove runtime checks for better performance

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

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It is enforced at compile time

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(and runtime)

void void Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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you can turn off the runtime assertions in kotlin

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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the runtime checks should be irrelevant, JIT can remove those

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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right, so it's just like nullability annotations with the compiler option on

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warnings upgraded to errors

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because it's part of the type system

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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/**
 * Get a copy of this ItemStack's {@link ItemMeta}.
 *
 * @return a copy of the current ItemStack's ItemData
 */
@UndefinedNullability // Paper
public ItemMeta getItemMeta() {
    return this.meta == null ? Bukkit.getItemFactory().getItemMeta(this.type) : this.meta.clone();
}

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this annotation is dreadful

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Yeh, JIT is a great guy

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:31 PM

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@UndefinedNullability

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this annotation shouldn't even exist

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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I mean

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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its deprecated

void void Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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is that like in js where you have two "types of null"?

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:]

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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/**
 * Annotation for types, whose nullability is not well defined, so
 * {@link org.jetbrains.annotations.NotNull} nor
 * {@link org.jetbrains.annotations.Nullable} is applicable. For example when
 * interface defines a method, whose nullability depends on the implementation.
 *
 * @deprecated This should generally not be used in any new API code as it
 * suggests a bad API design.
 */

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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i mean, undefined and null are definitely different...

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if that's what you mean

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:32 PM

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it depends on the implementation whether it is nullable or not

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but that's also the case if you use the @Nullable

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Basically, people where upset at that being defined as Nullable when the only case it's null is for Air, which you should be handling anyways instead of relying on itemmeta returning null

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:33 PM

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I have a question, I see running Jenkins I think or Nexus, I don't know, a java parameter -server this is needed for to day? is used by default in CentOS ou Ubuntu Server? your we can get a performance using this in minecraft servers?

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:33 PM

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the server opt has been defunct for years

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:33 PM

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I read in somewhere that the -server enables the C2

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

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-server is default on the jdk these days iirc

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

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yea

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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the annotation is used a lot

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Yup

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Tkx Electro

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:34 PM

#

Welcome to the joys of bukkit

#

The issue here is that nullability was never really properly considered, and there are cases in bukkit where you could argue that a throw would be more accurate, e.g. getItemMeta on AIR stacks instead of returning null, which would fix the nullability concerns there; However, that's a pretty hefty behavioural change

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:36 PM

#

@UndefinedNullability("Returns null if ItemStack is air")```

#

would you allow me to look for code falsefully annotated with @Nullable and correct it?

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if I did a pr

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Something that I really love about the Kotlin and the IntelliJ is the @Deprecated annotation

#

You can specify the new function and the import for the IDEA changes automatically for you

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:38 PM

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when code is @Deprecated there should be documented what to use instead

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windows update brb

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 12:39 PM

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And then you have bukkit who uses it for "this method is basically gross"

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Lol

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:42 PM

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windows update sucks, I want to go back to my linux :c

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But I need to play stuffs

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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📎 unknown.png

#

smh

jaunty oriole Sep 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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he's not wrong

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Lol

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:43 PM

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stupid forks

#

the fact that I am not American means I can't sue the shit out of him

#

📎 unknown.png

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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wot

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:44 PM

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this is some dangerous stuff

#

https://pastie.io/bgrdlo.cpp

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I was messing around

#

this code is disgusting don't take it seriously

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:45 PM

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I'm brazillian, if I sue someone they shoot me 👀

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:46 PM

#

oof

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:46 PM

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waitwhatttt

#

this builder... 👀

#

what the fuck is that²

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:47 PM

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it enforces you to use it in a certain order

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for concistency

#

it was full of bugs

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Now I see

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:49 PM

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just no

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lefbad

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:49 PM

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I said this code shouldn't be taken serious

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its bulky

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:49 PM

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then why send it here

#

that's some devon kind of level

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

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This server is for serious conversations only

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

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yeah exactly, duh

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:50 PM

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ok

#

https://pastie.io/cdxcar.groovy

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here is some fine code

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:51 PM

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are we flexing code now?

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Main.getPlugin()

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fine code

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:51 PM

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https://github.com/RimWorld-CCL-Reborn/AlienRaces/blob/master/Source/AlienRace/AlienRace/HarmonyPatches.cs this is fine code 👀

GitHub

RimWorld-CCL-Reborn/AlienRaces

Rimworld mod alien race framework. Contribute to RimWorld-CCL-Reborn/AlienRaces development by creating an account on GitHub.

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Ehm...

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

#

what's wrong with Main.getPlugin()

#

its not like there's a better way

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

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it goes on for 2.3k lines lol

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

#

you dont call your main main

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

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why

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

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because what is a "Main"

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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my main class obviously

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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classes should be descriptive, without reading the package

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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name your main class your plugin name lol

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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2356 lines ohfuck

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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XPlugin is convention

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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so WandsPlugin should be my main class's name

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or WandsCore

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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also, the static instance is fine, but sexier is giving the instance in a constructor

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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are you guys talking to brian

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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no, it's devon 2

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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I have big brain

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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In this case, I need to use this convention

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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oh, dylan

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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becausa my actual convection is just the plugin name

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:53 PM

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yeah ik how sexy passing the instance is through the constructor

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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idk i have so many people blocked

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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👀

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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look at all the retards

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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no u

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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like flowers in a garden

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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it became too messy to pass the main instance through the constructors

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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br.com.devsrsouza.plugin.Plugin

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plugin = plugin name

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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oh boy

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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me.dylan.wands.Main

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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WandsPlugin ...

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Looks greet to read 😠

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:54 PM

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ok I will name it wands plugin

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time to fuck everything up by 1 simple refactor

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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only if you use eclipse

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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^😂

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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^😂

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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I use IntelliJ ultimate edition

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

#

real pro's use VIM

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

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well I am not a real pro

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

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u don say

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I have the student version and get all Jetbrains IDE and I really don't use IntelliJ Ultimate

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I'm just some kid trying to have fun coding

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

#

I have the Toolbox here, but, I don't use the ultimate, I don't know why :S

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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community works fine in most cases anyway

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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What Ultimate have that the community dont?

#

S P R I N G plugin

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Detecting duplicates

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

#

^

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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db stuff too

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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this is something that is good

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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my dependencies be like:```html
<dependency>
<groupId>com.destroystokyo.paper</groupId>
<artifactId>paper-api</artifactId>
<version>1.14.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

#

The material plugin for 2019.2 don't update? you guys know?

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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you know those go over multiple lines right? xD

void void Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

#

ctrl+/

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

#

^

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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thonk

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

#

this guy will never be able to go to Japan

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

#

you can automatically comment anything with that shortcut

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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(badjoke)

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:58 PM

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I don't want to go to Japan

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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"destroystokyo"

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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That took me too long, I'll admit

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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right, why is that called the way it is

#

kind of always ignored it thinking_eyes

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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lets refactor it

#

(200% sure people will take that serious and think I'm retarded)

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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#UseGradle 👀

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

#

no

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

#

https://i.imgur.com/17BvHIO.gifv meanwhile in VS

Imgur

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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why is that possible lmao

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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vs

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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cuz its VS

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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wot

void void Sep 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

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is there an xml configuration language for gradle?

#

i want to use gradle but i also want xml, so i need the best of both worlds

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

#

description: ${project.description}

#

this should use the description from my POM, right?

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

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yes, Maven

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

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I don't now, but, I hate XML

#

Android UI sucks

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:01 PM

#

xml is too verbose imo

#

you need 20 tags just to do something simple

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:02 PM

#

Pray to Jetpack compose

#

Yessss @worn ember

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:02 PM

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I never used gradle so I wouldn't know

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I'm happy the code even compiles

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:02 PM

#

just look at this

📎 unknown.png

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Is annoying

#

gradle = 5 lines

#

fingerguns

#

WHY this: nokotlin

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:03 PM

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cuz no kotlin

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:04 PM

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I'm fucking really angry right now

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:04 PM

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@worn ember at least it's not skript

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:04 PM

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I will stole you guys, I'm brazillian, this is my way

#

come here to Rio de Janeiro

#

😠

#

@potent warren EXACLY

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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lmao

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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mfw kidnapped because of an emoji

#

Welcome to 2019 boiz

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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I still hate Kotlin though thonk

#

Well, not hate

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Yea, but you're bad, so like 🤷

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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But more like dislike

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

#

why you guys dislike

#

:c

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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its all fun and games until the Kotlin people get triggered

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:05 PM

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He is so pretty

#

is fun to use it

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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waow dark

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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🤢

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

#

waow souza

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

#

jk

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I will show you my command dsl

void void Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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is most of kotlin just stolen from groovy and swift?

#

seems that way

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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It's fun until you have to jump back to java because kotlin generics are just bleh

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:06 PM

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"he is so pretty" why thank you

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

#

say that to inline + reified

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

#

@potent warren i'm officially pro modder now

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potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

#

Java generics are 🤢 in general

#

@worn ember YEET

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

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groovy, swift, scala, C# and the list goes

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:07 PM

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public <T extends AbstractHandler> T registerComponent(@Nonnull Class<T> handlerClass) {

#

Maybe I'm dumb, but I literally could not find a way to pull that off in Kotlin

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

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java generics are bae

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

I will show you how

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

Research a performened pretty much ended up with "kotlin doesn't like that"

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

@quasi valley You say that until you try generics from C# 😉

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

C# generics > java generics lol

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

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C# tho hahahh

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

but still c# > java > 💩

#

thinking_eyes

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

#

@grand slate poop splash tho

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:08 PM

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@worn ember rart tho

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

#

We'll see who has the last laugh.. Just y'all wait for cross-platform Java interop from C#

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Why are we such children? Are we that bored

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

#

inline fun <refined T : AbstractHandler> T registerComponent() { T::class.java }

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

#

i prefer outline fun

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

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wut

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

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you can do the same way using argument for a class, but I think this way is pretty

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

#

I prefer no fun at all

#

fun's boring

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Agreed

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

I use this for meta<BookMeta> { addStorageEnchantment() }

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

I am more func than fun

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

Kotlin looks like Skript and Java had some fricking session and forgot to use a condom...

woven pewter Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

fn >>>

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

#

f r i c k i n g

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I wanna pass classes into the method

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Can I just say that, the three days I have been using C++ (uni), I already dislike it.

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

#

Cpp is kinda ew

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Don't think I've really used inline functions either

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

#

C on the otherhand, yes.

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

#

okay

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:11 PM

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I tend to kinda avoid a lot of the kotlin stuff as it looks like it would just consume the code-base too much

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

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fun <T : AbstractHandler> T registerComponent(clazz: KClass<T>) { }

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Oh, you'll love it kenny if it's what I think it is

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

works the same

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

Yes, C# could have literally started as a C# copy [citation needed], but they took Java and made it better.

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

-> Why don't programmers own guns?
<- Because they have troubleShooting

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

I only heard the "best" when some friends told be about it lefbad

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

That doesn't work the same

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

Postfix notation? Lel

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

@worn ember https://tenor.com/AcU7.gif

Tenor

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:12 PM

#

Kotlin doesn't even like that being in the source

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:13 PM

#

I'm gonna write my first bot using Go's discord api

#

Should be fun

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:13 PM

#

For example, postfix notation would be written 2, 3, multiply instead of multiply, 2, 3 (prefix or Polish notation), or 2 multiply 3 (infix notation).
runs

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:13 PM

#

since i stayed in the office last night until 11, I came home, went to sleep, and now I'm going straight back

#

don't recommend

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:13 PM

#

@potent warren shunting yard alogorithm is hot

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:13 PM

#

my command

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grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

https://github.com/clr1107/umdn/blob/master/src/main/java/pw/rayz/umdn/parser/executor/shunting/Shunter.java shunting yard af

GitHub

clr1107/umdn

URI Mapped Data Notation. Contribute to clr1107/umdn development by creating an account on GitHub.

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

I used to have a really awful shunting yard impl in C++ on my GH

#

that I had written before I learned C++

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

Lol, one of my first usages of Kotlin was to prototype some postfix bs

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

This one parses to a tree, so it's a modified shunting yard

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:14 PM

#

oh boy

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:15 PM

#

At which point do Kotlin DSLs become overused to the point where it's actually hard to read the code?!

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:15 PM

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That's why I avoid a lot of the language features

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:15 PM

#

kotlin's language features generally don't make it hard to read

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:15 PM

#

Nobody can beat my parser /s

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:15 PM

#

@grand slate it doesnt exist, so shush

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

I've had to interact with some Kotlin code in some projects and it was PAINFUL as fuck to understand the code thanks to the "FANCY SCHMANCY" DSLs

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

@worn ember but it does

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

DSL for me make it better to ready

#

a great DSL yeh

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

you need some DSL on your english 👀

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

I'd rather interop with Skript than with Kotlin lmfao

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

#

Nick's favourite meme is skriot

#

Skript*

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

except its not a meme for him

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

like this

📎 unknown.png

#

@worn ember I know :c

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

@grand slate https://tenor.com/MoLN.gif

Tenor

#

I'm my favourite meme.

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

He's said it 37 times in this server alone

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

when is skriptlinter coming out?

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

@worn ember Told you already... 3k19

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

i need to increase my skipts efficiency by 20%

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:17 PM

#

ah @potent warren I see, you're just dumb

#

It's okay, lots of people are

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:18 PM

#

join the club bruh

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:18 PM

#

Demon, you have a point...

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:18 PM

#

O.O

#

Nick has the dum ;(

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:19 PM

#

I will try to show how DSL can help you with other things, Kotlin is not a bad language, I can't ignore its features, is there to help you

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:20 PM

#

I tend to avoid going crazy with them

#

It's great that you can do that stuff, it's horrible for the codebase if you expect others to be able to jump on board, however

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:21 PM

#

i'm sitting here having never used kotlin, not sure if i'm missing our or not, still I won't use it

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:21 PM

#

I just don't see the point of pushing a whole another language when Java can do just fine...

#

Yes, Java is verbose... and what? At least it's not assembly code

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

it's horrible for the codebase if you expect others to be able to jump on board
strong disagree

#

if you want java devs who can't learn other languages maybe?

void void Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

i like kotlin but i agree

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

ah @ancient bolt I see, you're just dumb

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

oof

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

Idk I don't find learning languages that hard i guess

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

why should I need to learn another programming languange?

#

They all compile to the same...

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

#

It's not the language that's an issue for me

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

#

any kotlin dev with an IDE will quickly be able to navigate and learn your DSL

#

Nick it makes you a better programmer

#

as I can clearly see you've never learned other languages

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

#

The problem is that not everyone is going to read your code with an IDE

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

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irrelevant as fuck

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

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golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

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I just find that many of the DSLs people shove together are just pointless and clutter code more than it helps

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Why would you want to be better at anything? /s

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:23 PM

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if you don't have the proper tools to navigate source code then that's not the project's fault

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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I've never used it so don't shout, but Kotlin looks like it feels like it's JS

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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anyways I gotta go to work

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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have fun

fallen oracle Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Do you tho?

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Is NickAc JustDylan?

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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@grand slate the fuck

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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If all you want is syntatic sugar, then go ahead... but don't try pushing the language down everyone's throats...

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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I have no idea how you go from kotlin to JS

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Yea, i've never used it, demon, but it looks like it to me

void void Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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theres a compiler for that

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:24 PM

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lol

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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@hot gorge Nick has a higher IQ than dylan lol

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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@ancient bolt Have a good day ❤

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Obv i'm wrong, but just looks like it ;-;

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Good lord as you intentionally stupid Nick or were you dropped as a child?

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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😦

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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oof

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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DemonWav, I hate learning new programming languages.... Why should I learn new useless stuff when what I use is already okay for me?

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I think is easy to go from Kotlin to Typescript

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or just using fucking KotlinJS

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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cuz knowing more is always good

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Kotlin has cool features, it's just not perfect, which 🤷

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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why learn java when i know skript

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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why learn skript when you can just throw your pc out of the window

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Anybody else tried Dart?

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I could moan about that

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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how about that aaaa_helpme

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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@potent warren because you're close minded

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Yes.

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I am...

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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hes kinda autistic, he cant help it

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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don't be proud of that

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fair i guess

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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I'm not proud of what I became...

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Nobody tried Dart? Good.

ancient bolt Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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oh fuck off

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Kotlin is like Groovy but with types (although Groovy can be typed these days too) and cleaned up

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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lmao

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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you sound like a villain in an anime

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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~~Why learn anything at all?! Just pay someone else to do it~~

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Which makes it more like TypeScript than JavaScript

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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FUFUFUFUFU

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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TypeScript is bae ❤

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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why learn typescript when you can already use evil JS

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@potent warren lets talks something, you hava a AMD FX 8XXX, Intel or Ryzen is MUCHHH better, faster, your computer will be much faster, and your work to

Kotlin vs Java is the same, why you keep using something that will just cut your time?

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Also if you hate learning new programming languages (or new things in general...) you are not a very good programmer

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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comparing hardware to software thonk

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Exacly Bot

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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lmfao

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That's an IRC user.

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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I try to learn 1 language for year

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Last year, Kotlin

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Personally i've made it my business to use statically typed lower-level high-level languages. E.g Go

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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this year, Dart

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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You sound like the people I used to work with in enterprise who learned Java, Spring, and SVN in school and can't/won't do anything else

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Dart is awful imo @summer jackal

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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Amaranth, I noticed that... No need to remind me of it every time 😭

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:28 PM

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#SVNMasterRace

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@grand slate I know, but Flutter don't

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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just be like rubba and write everything in bytecode for the memes

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Yes it dowa

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Does*

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Honestly, that just takes me back to the gmod days

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Flutter & Dart are both awful

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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My side-projects are useless anyway, why should I even care about learning new stuff...

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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gmod is lua?

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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It's a mess at this point.

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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But with jetpack compose........ thinksmart

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I usually say that just by being a programmer and being in this channel you're the 1% of rockstar developers because you show an interest in learning things outside of work but I think Nick might be the exception :P

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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I just learn a new language when needed. I don't go out of my way to just learn a language for fun, but if I think it's necessary/helpful for something, then I will.

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@wide chasm hat

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Thst*

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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i remember installing like 2 addons and my console would get spammed with warnings and errors, good old gmod days

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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If flutter is awful you like what? Swing???

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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That**

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Amaranth 😦

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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No lol @summer jackal

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Android xml?

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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WPF ❤

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Flutter is neat but I don't want to use Dart

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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WinUI is also cool af

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Dart is disgusting, flutter is messy

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Messy + disgusting

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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they just need to add the AudioControls natively to WPF tbh

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Yeh, exacly, fuck google, does that for kotlin, not a stupid language with accessors with _field

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Amaranth, most, if not all of my programming knowledge was self taught... I started with more motivation than what I have now...

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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the most stupid thing: "private" with _

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Google did a good job with Golang, well Ken Thompson did

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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yeah C# conventions are shit sometimes

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Go was mostly a Rob Pike thing, I think

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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i just use properties for everything

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Go is very good

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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But you can see Ken's C influences amaranth

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Pointers, etc

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Go is very similar to Pike's past languages

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I don't know why Rust is not big yet

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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The only thing I'm missing is the motivation to actually learn something new..

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Ah is it? Looks like a mix of Pike and Thompson then :)

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Good team

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Motivation can't just spawn out of nowhere..

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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./spawn motivation

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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nah

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I tried that.

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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@potent warren that's called burnout

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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👀

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Dart start from the wrong place, compiling to Javascript

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Or possibly depression if you feel that way in general

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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and I think is based on coffescript

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/cinemagraph-XtdHWMoKNGPtvZ9Z9n

Giphy

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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I just don't have the motivation to learn new stuff.

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Dart is a mess... mixins, strong & weak oop principles, mixed with functionql

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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You've said that already, Nick

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Dart didn't start compiling to JS, it started with the wizard that made V8 so fast making a custom VM for his new language

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I know...

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Why do I even bother 😄

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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🤢

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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all board the pitty train

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Along with compiling to JavaScript to allow it to be used in current browsers but with the hope browsers would ship the Dart VM

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@Amaranth#0000 your opinions on Dart as a whole?

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Rip irc

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:33 PM

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bruh

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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kek

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Dart doesn't really have a point to exist

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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WASM is the right aproach for that

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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With IRC, you just use their name to "mention" them

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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not a new Vm

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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^ yup imo same

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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yup, exacly

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They build years after the point to exit 😂 (flutter)

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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They tried to appeal to everybody implementing every style

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Like, Dart is just JavaScript but with normal classes instead of prototypes

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Yea basically, no wonder I hated it. But Flutter... everybody loves it and I hated it

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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I have a problem with before and after, pls don't judge me :c

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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What are the usual symptoms of a burnout? 🤔

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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It doesn't fit some unfilled niche or do something better than anything else

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Yeh, Flutter everybody hate just because is Dart dude

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:35 PM

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@potent warren it's kind of like depression but only about certain things

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:36 PM

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The amount of native impl you need in flutter lol, might just use obj-c

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:36 PM

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You love and you hate because de language

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Go is beautiful, i'll stop swooning over it but yea

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:36 PM

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What I really want is React-Native except all native, lets ditch the V8 for driving the UI

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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I had a semi-severe burnout some time ago, I guess I haven't fully recovered yet..

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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react-native but you program it in Rust

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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I never liked app development, never going back

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I knew i didn't like it, tried it anyway

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@potent warren I never really have either, I almost never do any hobby programming anymore

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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You guys see the Jetpack Compose?

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Nah

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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But I'm a student and have nothing else interesting to do with my life.... welp

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Luckily I never stopped being interested in reading about new technologies and trying to figure out how they worked so I still have some idea of how to do things, just no experience actually doing most of them

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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They are building the compiler separeted from the android sdk

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I don't even have other hobbies

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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The only hobby projects I have are a connection pool & scheduler, and a parser for a new pretty useless language :/

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsStyq4Lzxo

YouTube

Android Developers

Declarative UI Patterns (Google I/O'19)

Explore how reactive and declarative paradigms can be applied to Android UI development, making it easier for developers to integrate these patterns into the...

▶ Play video

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:38 PM

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(DiscordBot) Declarative UI Patterns (Google I/O'19) - length 35m 11s - 923 likes, 17 dislikes (98.2%) - 52,869 views - Android Developers on 2019.05.09

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Xamarin.Forms seems interesting. I'm yet to try it out, but I don't have any cool ideas to work with it.

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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I need take a shit, brb

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Too many patterns means your lang/frsmework is bad

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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yee_fuckin_haw

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/recovering-from-burnout.htm

Recovering From Burnout: Finding Passion for Your Role Again

Learn how to rediscover meaning and joy in your career after you've experienced burnout.

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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If u need patterns to fix it

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Cya for now guys

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Thanks Amaranth, will have a read. :+1:

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 1:39 PM

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pce, i'm out too, i need to actually finish this mod

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 1:40 PM

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cya I guess too.

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time to go back to working on a linter for a DSL

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:42 PM

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shit taked, I'm back

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📎 unknown.png

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:46 PM

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https://pastie.io/mtrqen.gradle

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is this code ok

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I don't know about yours, but this lib @zealous knot is using is rarted, it detects freaking Java as gradle

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Do you really need SpellData to be an inner class?

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:49 PM

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why's the map package private

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:49 PM

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my last DSL demonstration

📎 unknown.png

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Why are spells created via reflection and not, just, calling the constructor normally?

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:49 PM

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you catch a lot of exceptions - you could just catch ReflectionException or ReflectiveOperationException or whatever that's called

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:50 PM

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that's a bit broad

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SpellData spellData = new SpellData(castable.getBehavior(), castable.getDisplayName());

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as long as getBehaviour and getDisplayName don't refer to a field in castable the class should no longer be loaded

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:51 PM

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to extend on what Stef said: you could just pass MyCastable::new instead of MyCastable.class

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so Supplier<? extends Castable>instead of Class<? extends Castable>

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:52 PM

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https://github.com/JustDylan23/Wands/blob/master/src/main/java/me/dylan/wands/spell/SpellType.java

GitHub

JustDylan23/Wands

Contribute to JustDylan23/Wands development by creating an account on GitHub.

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too many constants

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:52 PM

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who exactly are you talking to?

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:53 PM

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to stef

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https://github.com/JustDylan23/Wands/blob/master/src/main/java/me/dylan/wands/spell/spells/BloodWave.java

GitHub

JustDylan23/Wands

Contribute to JustDylan23/Wands development by creating an account on GitHub.

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I only need to retrieve the Behavior object once

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:53 PM

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please dont become the next devon

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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than the method in that class becomes redundant

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Too late Kenny

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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who is devon

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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A sweet guy

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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a very sweet guy

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:54 PM

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who left the server willingly

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:55 PM

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he got left

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:55 PM

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He's back

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Under than name TDD or something

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📎 unknown.png

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TCC

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Pretty sure that's the same pic when he was trying to convince us all he was 15 with 2 kids or some shit

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:56 PM

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no, it was 16

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Wait actually since the logic is in the constructor it'd make sense that at runtime it wouldn't be loaded

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:56 PM

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because in reality he is 17 or something

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his reality, that is

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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It is him

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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@hot gorge if is brazillian, is todally possible

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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and never actually addressed any of what he was told

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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TCC = Devon Casper

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I really know guys with 16,17 with kids

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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no, he definitely addressed what he was told

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he just replied with "you all dumm"

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 1:57 PM

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sometimes, but then it was just in the dumbest way

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yea

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:58 PM

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I know girls here that was 14 and has kid 👀

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:58 PM

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uhg reflections don't make any sense in my project

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:58 PM

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And we ask why we are a shit country

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Well he was implying he was 16 with a 5 year old

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So his wife would have had a kid at 11 or something

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:59 PM

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👀

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 1:59 PM

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It was all just a troll

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 1:59 PM

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wtf

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 1:59 PM

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wtf

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 2:00 PM

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he was really entertaining though

hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 2:00 PM

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Like a canker sore....

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Devon was my love

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Told me it's ok to use bukkit api file io async :)

dapper nacelle Sep 5, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I just have trouble changing something if I see a flaw in someone's suggestion or if I can't comprehend everything someone is saying

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:02 PM

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thinking_gun

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Defo devon

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:04 PM

#

Guys, I will recommend here again (sorry), if you guys Like how flutter is but dislike dart (basically everyone), watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsStyq4Lzxo

YouTube

Android Developers

Declarative UI Patterns (Google I/O'19)

Explore how reactive and declarative paradigms can be applied to Android UI development, making it easier for developers to integrate these patterns into the...

▶ Play video

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 2:04 PM

#

(DiscordBot) Declarative UI Patterns (Google I/O'19) - length 35m 11s - 924 likes, 17 dislikes (98.2%) - 52,873 views - Android Developers on 2019.05.09

grand slate Sep 5, 2019, 2:05 PM

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No.Both bad

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😔

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Kotlin has had a declarative UI wrapper around the Android API since it language was made public

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That was one of their examples of the power of writing DSLs with Kotlin

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anko, iirc

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:17 PM

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yeh, Anko is great, Anko is the reason that make me thinking about study android again (xml layout SUCKS)

sharp garnet Sep 5, 2019, 2:18 PM

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summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:18 PM

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But the Jetpack compose is way down, the Models is very great

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I'm thinking in use it for KotlinJS #ChangeMyMind

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Like a React

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(I know that Kotlin has React wrapper but the compose is a better aproach for me)

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Hmmm, if there's a closed-source app that uses a GPL lib, does that mean that anyone can request the source code of the app?

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:29 PM

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🙄

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No, if the company build a fork of the lib for ther use cases, them, this fork need to be open source

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:30 PM

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The library is used as is. No apparent changes

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 2:30 PM

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yes, the app needs to disclose source code on request

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if the library is LGPL, they do not need to share the app's source code, only the modifications to the library

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Too bad that it's GPL licensed https://i.imgur.com/e4Nbihu.png

Imgur

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Who cares, the android is not GPL too? and the companies like samsung don't share thre sources

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Android is Apache licenses afaik

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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But linux is GPL

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/qtMewsW.png

Imgur

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And?

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Brands usually release the source of the kernels of the devices.

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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depends

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Nope.. https://i.imgur.com/tswmijG.png

Imgur

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Even samsung does it

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Yeh, S10

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But, A30?

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:34 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/DVxnbcy.png

Imgur

olive garden Sep 5, 2019, 2:35 PM

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since it's licensed under Apache, they don't have to release them

summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:35 PM

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my old phone doesnt have the kernel sources

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s4 exynos I think

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Is it this one? https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9500_galaxy_s4-5125.php

candid turtle Sep 5, 2019, 2:38 PM

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summer jackal Sep 5, 2019, 2:39 PM

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Nop

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wait, don't

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I think is

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 2:40 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/5toKFr3.png

Imgur

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Well, the sources exist too

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If brands don't release the kernel, Google will YEET them 😄

fallen oracle Sep 5, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Okay boomers

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What's up

alpine flare Sep 5, 2019, 2:54 PM

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hot gorge Sep 5, 2019, 2:55 PM

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ZOOMERS

fallen oracle Sep 5, 2019, 2:58 PM

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ZOOOOOOOOOOMERS

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Why does this question https://stackoverflow.com/q/8055389/3882565 get 85 upvotes and multiple answers while my question of the same type https://stackoverflow.com/q/57778671/3882565 is said to be meaningless :/

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What's the difference between and in Java Generics?

I've seen the wildcard used before to mean any object - but recently saw a use of:

<? extends Object>
Since all objects extend Object, are these two usages synonymous?

Stack Overflow

Java is AnyGenericType equivalent to AnyGenericType?

If I didn't get it wrong, AnyGenericType<? super Object> should behave the same way as AnyGenericType<Object>. Or are there any cases where it really matters which one of these declarat...

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:08 PM

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upper flicker Sep 5, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Don't look for logic on stack overflow

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I mean it's not that I don't know how bounded wildcards work, I just asked because I didn't find the answer by a quick research.

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Z750: true :D

upper flicker Sep 5, 2019, 3:09 PM

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There are nearly as many complaints about how they manage that site and it's questions as there are answers

wide chasm Sep 5, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I personally just ditched it altogether.

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:10 PM

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I don't know, I find stackoverflow to be pretty okay.

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Besides the way the users on there moderate stuff.

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 3:25 PM

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'eh

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They never said your question was meaningless

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Closed server as duplicate!

golden gust Sep 5, 2019, 3:27 PM

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clos urself

potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 3:27 PM

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u first

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make sure to close ur ass

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mark it as duplicate as well

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Does anyone know any FOSS alternatives to DeskDock?

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 3:31 PM

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did someone say desk 🦆

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 3:31 PM

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No.

vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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potent warren Sep 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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lmfao

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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doesn't even make sense

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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LOL

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 3:32 PM

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why is it chat if it read Q/A

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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it's a joke

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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stonar96 I think you need to read very carefully what they said

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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i'm aware

vestal jasper Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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it's called suspension of disbelief

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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They did not call your question meaningless

pulsar wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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i'm saying it's a dumb one

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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They called the expression meaningless...

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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i don't know, i find it quite funny

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Gigantic difference and you take offense for nothing.

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 3:34 PM

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SO be like

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meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Is the master branch of paper 1.14 or 1.13?

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 3:34 PM

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electroniccat: at least he didn't say it directly but the way he treats the question by not attempting to answer it and saying something which is not helpful to a very clear and specific question implies that for me.

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I didn't ask if the declaration is meaningful or not ..

worn ember Sep 5, 2019, 3:34 PM

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then downvote it

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dab on dem haters

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:35 PM

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In general, X<? super Y> is NOT the same thing as X<Y>. But since the only supertype of Object is Object, in your case they're the same.

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And you are still taking offense for no reason

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He literally answered the question

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<? super Object> is basically meaningless as Object has no supertype.

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 3:35 PM

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simple yea i upvoted this. This was helpful. The question still needs an answer ..

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Literally all he said.

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He didn't call you or your question meaningless.

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He answered it.

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Wasn't even slightly rude.

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Also, your question is very VERY localized to a specific topic. The title infers one thing then your edit clarifies it's specifically about extensions of Object.

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If I am to say anything, it is a useless question.

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Object is the super type of everything and has no supertype, so extending Object or referencing ? super Object is literally useless.

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Everything is that.

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(Hence why there is no """Answer"""; it has been answered in 2 sentences via comments. Something SO encourages.)

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However you may get a low rep person come along and regurgitate a comment as an answer in the hopes you accept it and grant them some rep.

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 3:55 PM

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essentially every forum ever

void void Sep 5, 2019, 3:57 PM

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The answer is "No they're not the same except in the case of Object" which should be painfully clear seeing as in Java Object is the most super type.

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I don't know what else the guy wants.

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It's been answered.

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:01 PM

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It's just not true: if AnyGenericType<? super Object> is meaningless, then AnyGenericType<Object> is also meaningless if they are equal. And again: Saying something is meaningfull or not is not an answer.

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Also note that <? super Object> is strictly not always the same as <Object> because you can't extend from the first one.

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(Only equal if it's a declaration)

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 4:02 PM

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<Object> doesnt even have anything to do with generics anymore

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 4:02 PM

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https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/2538 is this a good first issue?

GitHub

API layer for EntityThrowableItem#setItem · Issue #2538 · PaperM...

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe. I think 1.14 (or 1.13?) introduced the EntityProjectileThrowable class which projectiles like EnderPearls/Snowballs extend. This class...

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 4:03 PM

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asking if an issue is "good"

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it's interesting, if that's what you are looking for

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 4:04 PM

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yeah, but i just want to get used to paper's codebase

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so thought it might be cool

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to try and contribute

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 4:11 PM

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oh there's not even any sort of throwable interface yet

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 PM

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do all projectiles support changing the item?

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or is it just snowballs and enderpearls?

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 PM

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doesnt look like it

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and eggs

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 4:14 PM

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yeah i looked into it

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 4:15 PM

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and xp bottles

meager tusk Sep 5, 2019, 4:15 PM

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that's cool

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i've been stuck on 1.8 too long

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it's nice having a change of pace

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there's so much cool stuff in the newer versions

limber knotBOT Sep 5, 2019, 4:34 PM

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AnyGenericType<? super T>

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where T is Object

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boom.

unreal quarry Sep 5, 2019, 5:23 PM

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ffs, found a bug thats gonna be fixed in next week's snapshot. dealing with bees.. again... :S https://i.imgur.com/sr2qdYP.png

Imgur

flameshot_screenshot

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at this rate they're never going to get around to fixing the game, just bees..

quasi valley Sep 5, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I think slicedlime even showed it in his own update video 😂