yea, unfortunately nvidia has not been nice to open source
#general
grand slate
mhm yea, I could feel it jsut by moving my mouse - i thought it was perhaps a mouse driver (since I use one on windows for dpi), but then I loaded minecraft and was at 50 frames
I can easily get 200 on windows, hence driver time.
also it's really annoying that whenver I search up something for debian, ubuntu comes up.
no debian info, just ubuntu info
as I understand it, which I don't, they're somewaht related but, i mean, they're not the same
unreal quarry
Ubuntu is Debian, with a bunch of carebear on top for new users
vestal jasper
just LFS and call it a day
grand slate
^ mhm yea, bloatware if i understand it. So yea it's kinda annoying looking up debian stuff, and finding ubuntu forums
ancient bolt
Debian is retardation
pulsar wigeon
if you don't compile gentoo from scratch you might as well just go back to windows, loser /s
vestal jasper
gentoo? what kind of plebian shit is that
roll your own distro
better yet make your own kernel
upper flicker
Enter the temple 
grand slate
Ok so if i understand correctly, since I don't use windows, I'm now better than everybody right? /s
unreal quarry
Yes, unless you use a Mac. Then you're worse, sheeple.
austere ivy
cosmic raft
who wants to write some documentation for me
pulsar wigeon
you do
woven otter
hmm for what
cosmic raft
cosmic raft
there isn't
woven otter
maybe maybe
fervent cipher
woven otter
need to read about the project first 😛
inner mountain
tepid folio
vestal jasper
I'm not sure text requires documentation
It's pretty easy to figure out just from the methods available
cosmic raft
not the first time someone has asked for docs
vestal jasper
I mean just typing out Text. gives a good picture on what is available
The example usage is also plenty
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vestal jasper
there is on sponge
cosmic raft
my library != sponge
vestal jasper
Ok then replace Text with TextComponent and most of what I said still applies
cosmic raft
nope
vestal jasper
ok
cosmic raft
Component :p
limber knotBOT
s/Text/Component
Correction, <DiscordBot> <12Vicarious> Ok then replace Component with ComponentComponent and most of what I said still applies
Close enough
worn ember
anyone happen to be a C# god here 👀
woven otter
@potent warren
fallen oracle
@cosmic raft who the fuck is DSC
cosmic raft
@fallen oracle https://ca.dollarshaveclub.com/
cosmic raft
._.
void void
limber knotBOT
Whew serving videos
limber knotBOT
Hey, how do I set up a waterfall server on a server host?
tawdry coyote
slate violet
creeper
void void
why is there so many bots
static badge
we've created several AI to keep us from going lonely
limber knotBOT
There's no one in #waterfall-help ?
grave panther
static badge
yeah literally no-one's there
void void
should I use
static badge
paper will use bukkit by dfl
grave panther
should I ping someone?
worn ember
rip
safe tide
Sup yall
cosmic raft
no
woven otter
rude
limber knotBOT
pulsar wigeon
unrolled loops for performance :^)
gotta minimize that page rendering time man
wait
there's a loop at the top LOL
didn't even see that
supple latch
woven otter
wat
nocturne nest
Why is paper faster than spigot? One would think that the spigot developers would put in the performance stuff that paper is doing. The latest version of spigot released today is the worst of all my server went from slow to unusable. Nothing but message like this: 26.08 20:17:43 [Server] Server thread/WARN Can't keep up! Is the server overloaded? Running 88319ms or 1766 ticks behind I am not asking for any tech support on spigot issues, I get this is a paper forum. I am just curious as too how spigot could be so bad and how a fork of it is much faster?
nocturne nest
There are no players on either.
void void
but anyway paper is still far more optimized but its only bearable for 1.14.4
nocturne nest
Maybe it would be best to skip 1.14.4 and wait a few years for 1.15.x However I have played on a 1.14.4 servers that is pretty good. I believe they are using paper. I don't think any server can run at all on spigot.
void void
few years?
static badge
assuming 1.15 fixes perf
woven otter
does bees count as an attempt to fix perf
void void
no
upper flicker
.bees
limber knotBOT
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nocturne nest
I will try paper. I am upgrading from 1.13.2 to 1.14.4. I was planning on installing all my plugins using spigot and then trying paper to see if it was better as everyone claims. However, performance is so bad that I don't think I will be able to re-install all my plugins and test them.
grand slate
Paper is a performance fork, it contains patches (mostly) relating to fixing mechanics and increasing performance. You might notice a difference, but mostly you're noticing 1.14 just being 1.14, being trash. @nocturne nest
hot gorge
Paper is bae
grand slate
It do be yes
unreal crag
void void
hello
ancient bolt
I have an extremely high quality UPS on this thing
void void
i had too
ancient bolt
ethernet is also protected
void void
and my 1200$ pc was burned except ssd
cosmic raft
@ancient bolt what ups?
ancient bolt
cosmic raft
@static badge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZaFH0wwKUk
limber knotBOT
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ancient bolt
Lightning just hit like in the parking lot
Power went out for a second, so I lost internet again :(
Lightning just hit like in the parking lot
acoustic pilot
all the high-pop WoW Classic servers right now lol https://i.imgur.com/Q7q8FD6.png
fallen oracle
Yikes
acoustic pilot
There are medium and low pop servers, too
My characters are on high pop tho >_>
It'll probably get better in the next couple of days 😛
But seems like Blizz didn't anticipate this much interest
fallen oracle
Ykes
pulsar wigeon
they've been adding servers slowly over the past few months
fallen oracle
They give VIP to streamers
pulsar wigeon
it's day 1 tho
blissful pond
pulsar wigeon
the big issue is that there's no sharding in classic
acoustic pilot
Yeah a lot of ppl prob just gonna fuck off in a few days
They had some kind of layering technology, but I think they may have removed it due to all the complaints in beta
fallen oracle
Yup
pulsar wigeon
so they can't just increase server cap for the first week like they do for legion/bfa releases
they experimented with the sharding that retail uses
but people wanted the classic experience of "know/see everyone on your server"
acoustic pilot
yeah fair enough
still looking forward to playing, if i can log in lol
oh damn https://i.imgur.com/6LdiqGd.png
pulsar wigeon
meanwhile
limber knotBOT
If I join WoW Classic nobody will see me again for months
cosmic raft
lol
limber knotBOT
So I'll be skipping that
ancient bolt
I wanna play on my switch and I don't want a power outage to fuck it up so I've moved my UPS so the TV and switch and all that is being powered by it now..
I really just need to buy a second one of these for my TV permanently
Also need one for my networking gear is my closet
ancient bolt
My UPS is a monster
Idk if I need something this strong for my TV or not, I don't have a power measuring device
Wait my UPS will tell me how much power it's drawing right now
I don't have super serious network shit so I don't need anything big for my closet
hazy hemlock
void void
whats up gaiz
limber knotBOT
CyberPower is fine
cosmic raft
not from what I've heard
people are recommending EATON and APC now
and to avoid TRIPP-LITE and CyberPower
merry talon
there is something to be said when they design power strips like this https://i.imgur.com/1mjlp76.jpg
(you can plug things in between outlets)
though that could be ingenious depending on who you ask
verbal sundial
hey
wooden blade
is 4 🐴 🐎
verbal sundial
11
limber knotBOT
eeek
void void
link
gloomy sphinx
np no worries
void void
not sure what those entities are, do you have per player mobs turned on? if not, try it, may help
as for the orange line :S
not sure
void void
Tiles might
void void
yeah they're things like chests, furnaces, beacons
item frames
they hold data, but they're not alive
void void
i would save money but im frugal like that ever since i threw myself into debt
kash, why would tile entities increase on a fresh world?
(that is to say i'd choose first and just wait)
gloomy sphinx
id go first option
cosmic raft
what do you mean
void void
his timings entities are fluctuating, but low mobs
we're (((assuming))) it's tile entities
but i could be wrong
gloomy sphinx
i have somehow gained 30k+ over an hour
with no one online
i do have plugins and some item frames, chests, ect but very minimal the worlds are pretty much new
void void
I guess you can try this https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/entity-detection-tile-entity-support.20588/
gloomy sphinx
thats a good idea
cosmic raft
probably normal entities, is my guess
blockentities don't get created unless asked for by a player or other means
void void
so the mob count is incorrect? he said smth like 120~ mobs but his timings show 11,000+ "entities"
gloomy sphinx
with me online
doesn't seem that high
trying that entity plugin i am curious now
tawdry coyote
I mean can't you use paper entity detection: /paper entity list
void void
did you enable per player as well?
gloomy sphinx
not yet
void void
aight
gloomy sphinx
ill get another base line then do that
void void
fair enough
gloomy sphinx
i have a raid-0 partition under /srv
any idea why df -h does not show it
sdf
ah shit
weird how I mounted the raid0 array to /srv on the debian install yet it is on sdc2 which is my hard drive
was wondering why my world was not as fast as it should be lol
void void
:o
gloomy sphinx
raid has been a pain in the ass for me on debian
probably because i have not used it before
void void
I typically don't do (software) raid, and I haven't actually built my own array in person, so if im using raid it was provided by the host
so i can't really help there
gloomy sphinx
yeah me neither i just have a couple shitty ssd's that are not large enough
bunch of 30GB's
not recommended ofc but idc
gloomy sphinx
no idea what debian did with the array but it seems to have not gave it a filesystem
debian 10 has been kinda bugged for me
with network cards especially
have to disable the ethernet feature where it detects the port speed otherwise i get 3mbps upload and loss of packets lol
on like every one of my servers
void void
slim dome
void void
What the frik are they spitting at
void void
o.O
gloomy sphinx
i guess that is where my entity issue is
void void
A fucking llama war?
gloomy sphinx
i think so
thats a fresh world too
nice
only 5 llamas killed
how could they generate that
void void
fuckin OP llamas
limber knotBOT
boys it's been a while since I've flexed
https://gfycat.com/alarmingallgalapagosalbatross here's my battlestation
void void
records himself from the back for seemigly no reason
limber knotBOT
because I can :D
limber knotBOT
you just don't appreciate the *a e s t h e t i c *lifestyle simple
gloomy sphinx
i think i fixed it lol
i loaded the chunk and those white things vanished after lagging my pc
for a good minute
what are those white cubes and how are they in mc
unless llama spit is made up of white cubes?
torpid willow
were they spitting into lazy chunks?
void void
o.o
gloomy sphinx
god bless
celest coyote
The hell is that
limber knotBOT
"We found potential security vulnerabilities in your dependencies.
Only the owner of this repository can see this message."
github is nice
void void
still, i dont think you'd get nearly as many in a java project
limber knotBOT
90% humidity?
fuck me I should row my way to the coffee shop
97% tomorrow
send help
gloomy sphinx
what is this gmail
quasi valley
what's hd doing with bungee servers and pings? 
gloomy sphinx
no idea seems to have caused this camel
was wondering why my tps dropped from 20 to 2 for 30 seconds
dry needle
I don't get why holographic displays is such a complicated plugin
isn't it essentially just armor stands stacked on top of each other
quasi valley
there's more to it, else it'd be hella worse for server performance
quasi valley
we even send our holos just with packets, because meh
hd isnt bad in that sense, but I still wonder why it has a task called "BungeeCleanupTask" that has something to do with a Bungee server cache and a custom ping impl
gloomy sphinx
it has a ping option
yet it have it disabled
bungee ping option for other servers
limber knotBOT
HD is complex to a point, it appears complex because I think it allows other plugins to hook into it
HD in the past used to have to compete against HoloAPI lol
quasi valley
what does that feature even have to do with a hologram plugin. for me it would make more sense supporting PAPI and letting other plugins do something like that
golden gust
It supports papi with an external plugin
quasi valley
that's nice and all, but it just seems in the wrong place 👀
gloomy sphinx
yeah it is
golden gust
Creating something that's expansible is generally much more preferred vs creating something locked up
gloomy sphinx
i just use cmi holograms
golden gust
It's not
gloomy sphinx
rather use papi placeholders than that shit baked in config mess
golden gust
It's called sane design; Could you imagine if HD updated one day and said that you couldn't use the API?
quasi valley
I was talking about the showing server's online status in hd
gloomy sphinx
yeah same
no idea what electroniccat is on about lol
refresh-seconds: 1200
use-RedisBungee: false
pinger:
enable: false
timeout: 500
offline-motd: '&cOffline, couldn''t get the MOTD.'
status:
online: '&aOnline'
offline: '&cOffline'
motd-remove-leading-trailing-spaces: true
servers:
- 'hub: 127.0.0.1:25565'
- 'survival: 127.0.0.1:25566'
- 'minigames: 127.0.0.1:25567'```thats the hd config
golden gust
oh, I think I got mixed up between what people where saying
gloomy sphinx
lol
quasi valley
the api and general functionality is great, that's not what Im on about
golden gust
and well, HD being able to manage that has some gains vs papi
golden gust
e.g. it can actually update the info when it needs to, vs consistently spamming placeholder replacements
gloomy sphinx
sry but i already delete timings
golden gust
They expire after like 30 days
gloomy sphinx
rm -rf *
golden gust
That task also doesn't even look that complex
gloomy sphinx
yeah i dont know why timings actualy reported that
quasi valley
yea looking at it I couldnt see where it comes from either
golden gust
Those counts look like a bug
golden gust
But, that's why we tell people who screenshot timings that they're idiots
gloomy sphinx
have a look at this big ol fuck
it said it was hd but after reloading it says xweather lol
golden gust
I daren't even ask what CPU model
gloomy sphinx
g3258
rocky wave
oh
golden gust
I'd say that HD has a bug
golden gust
Like, that task looks like it would literally have 0 reasons to run more than once in a tick
gloomy sphinx
should i even bother reporting
golden gust
and yet it's only scheduled once in onEnable
EIther you have an outdated build and somebody megagoofed, or you somehow managed to break it
gloomy sphinx
¯_(ツ)_/¯
using the latest dev
default config
except i do have 2 songoda plugins
golden gust
But, rip
golden gust
6 year old CPU which was shit on the day it was released
gloomy sphinx
g3258?!?!
it was recommended as the best gamer processor back then
as long as you hit over 4.4Ghz
since it is the same as an i7 just less cores
golden gust
You mean, best gamer CPU on a budget?
gloomy sphinx
yes
golden gust
Because those cores cost you pretty harshly
I wouldn't even recommend a 4770k for MC these days
gloomy sphinx
ppl run 2.8ghz xeons lol
golden gust
take that and remove the cores, kinda kills it because now you're pushing more work onto two cores
Yes, but xeons have this thing which your CPU does:
cores.
gloomy sphinx
yeah but isnt mc pretty much single threaded
golden gust
The main tick loop is ran on a single thread
But what you do think happens with the 20 other threads that the server is using when you have a 2 core CPU?
(Hint: They steal time from your main thread)
golden gust
Yea, it's stupid
golden gust
But, some level of "you get what you pay for"
gloomy sphinx
and i only have like 1 player on
which was me
my local hosted server
what is the timingscost mean?
golden gust
it's how long your server takes to do a few timing operations
It's not concrete science, but it can serve as a metric to show how loaded the machine is
limber knotBOT
I beg to differ
gloomy sphinx
what is a good number?
golden gust
With the value you've got it'll hold a few dozen players, but it's not going to be top tier
gloomy sphinx
oh i just tried again and i got 100
golden gust
Basically, 363 on a server which is doing nothing is literally not a good sign
WHen it swings that much, it's a sign that your CPU is being overloaded
gloomy sphinx
my cpu is like 20% used
golden gust
cpu % means nothing
golden gust
and then you also have XWeather loading chunks
limber knotBOT
their size varies based on your previous input
gloomy sphinx
golden gust
Have you tried typing with swipin?
gloomy sphinx
yeah xweather is bugged
golden gust
as I said, those %'s are useless
gloomy sphinx
wot
limber knotBOT
I mean I know swiping to type, I do that a fair bit
gloomy sphinx
how does one go above 100%
limber knotBOT
but it's garbage when you start using specific terms
gloomy sphinx
pterodactyl only measures that way
golden gust
Because those values don't mean what you think they mean
golden gust
it's like /tps
It can be nice to have as a metric, but nobody understands what it's really showing, and often overlook what it actually means
gloomy sphinx
this post really seems all over the place tbh
golden gust
You have a single tick that takes 800ms, and 19 ticks take 10ms, that's still 20 TPS
The exact same applies for your CPU
limber knotBOT
Silky smooth.
golden gust
it's pretty easy for those load counters to show that all is fine, yet it's crapping itself underneath
limber knotBOT
yeah I've been having that issue lately
24 players on a survival server? Nah.
got staff holding events just so we can keep most people within the same chunks so the tps doesn't crap out
gloomy sphinx
not going to argue but
golden gust
Lol, I gotta get some steam on
gloomy sphinx
the post is kinda bad
golden gust
Need to pester one of my buds into helping me create lore and stuff
limber knotBOT
lore for what?
golden gust
Server
Building and lore are pretty much my weak points
Fun part is is that the community I hang around... RP servers...
limber knotBOT
I'm going to have to worry about adding lore for my plugin's quests and dungeons very, very soon
like next month levels of soon
quasi valley
I've also been tasked to do some sort of dungeon system, I just held my middle finger up and said good look prebuilding good ones, cause I'm not doing generation 
golden gust
Been wanting to do something similar down the line, tbh
Instanced dungeons would be 10/10 for us
golden gust
I'm tryna avoid 3rd party plugins
quasi valley
for us it'll probably come down to: there are 10-20 dungeons, those are either played on external game servers or just static with groups having to wait for others to come out (to increase that demand)
golden gust
Things like mythics holding back compatible builds is just kicking me
limber knotBOT
I'm doing 5 free premade ones and the rest yall can give me money on patreon for because them shits are expensive to commission from build teams
and I can't build anything more complex than a dirt hut
golden gust
lol, that's why I gotta go pester some buds 😄
quasi valley
we have a handful of builders thatll specifically and only build dungeons, and they are already waiting hard on starting 😂
golden gust
(Magma, lets just hijack kenny)
quasi valley
🗡
limber knotBOT
also electroniccat you should know better than to use mythic when you have such a sexy alternative
golden gust
elite didn't really look like an alternative
quasi valley
we're lucky to have them, we struggled with having (good and enough) builders for years
limber knotBOT
it is now
it has custom bosses
though I'd hold off till 7.4 for your case
everything you want will be in it by then (advanced spawning systems + dungeon system)
quasi valley
ohh I totally forgot your stuff is free
limber knotBOT
working on the video devlog is killing me though, hilariously enough the code for it is basically done
quasi valley
I applaud you for that :p
limber knotBOT
I mean hell it's been done for a long time, I went way beyond the scope this time around
gloomy sphinx
oi electroniccat
I read the blog
he is right but the opposite
90% used could actually mean 20% used
the other 70% is waiting
so i mean it's not actually that wrong
but it isn't accurate
the video he has is good
golden gust
I've mostly just skimmed it, reading a page full of info you already have an understanding about is 10/10, but it goes ever deeper than that
things like programs being super spiky with CPU ops aren't always going to show up
void void
just touch the cpu and feel if its very hot
golden gust
Should I take off the heatsink first?
void void
don't be ridiculous, i mean touch the heatsink
golden gust
Psh
gloomy sphinx
the video is good thanks for the link
kinda shows how bad the tech youtuber industry really is
for the mainstream when they do cpu reviews
lol
golden gust
Well, they all rely on benchmarks and stuff
Techies know that benchmarks are stupid for showing actual performance
Pretty sure that AMD got some flack recently due to their usage of benchmarks; It wasn't "that bad", but the benchmarks where not reflective of real world performance
void void
golden gust
(Whoda guessed)
void void
interesting read going a bit deeper into what branch prediction does
gloomy sphinx
AMD ryzen cpus are pretty nice now though
oh shit I understand how ipc comes into play in this
òoooooooh
damn
you know when you first started mc and waited a week for mobs to appear but none did then you figured out ESC opens the mc options menu and you had peaceful on
that's me now
void void
when i first started it was a java applet with like 10 blocks
void void
java applet in the browser
golden gust
"Back in my days"
golden gust
I musta bought the game with my first pay check
gloomy sphinx
oh right
I played that
you had all the wool colors
it was creative online
pretty much penises and swastikas
everywhere
void void
grand slate
@woven otter has devon joined back yet?
woven otter
not sure
tardy lynx
Paper 1.12 still stable?
grand slate
;(
grand slate
sweats
zealous knot
@golden gust I bought the game with the first few stolen dollar i ever made 
grand slate
I bought it with mummy's credit card like a good child smh
zealous knot
Nah my mom is a boomer she would never trust her credit card with anything thats not an atm
grand slate
Lmao. Now i'm a big boy i have my own bank!!!!!! So grown u0
woven otter
what game are you talking about
zealous knot
Mc
woven otter
oh
grand slate
Duck's the oldest here
woven otter
grand slate
He was like 25 when MC came out
zealous knot
What a boomer
grand slate
Yea 23 25 30 same thing
woven otter
no
grand slate
30 yr old duck
woven otter
you're Jesus @grand slate you're like 2000 years old
zealous knot
zealous knot
woven otter
oldest duck is 21 years old
grand slate
🦆
woven otter
oldest wild duck was 35 🤔
grand slate
Don't get any ideas, you'll probs die at like 25
grand slate
Ik ;( our fates are sealed
woven otter
your mouth should be sealed
grand slate
Lmao wanna do me a favour? When i die move the boulder right, and let them think i did it lmfaooo
quasi valley
he also has to hide the body
finite wave
I'm here, i know you've all missed me very much
golden gust
And you are?
woven otter
who's that
void void
from multiple threads, what could go wrong!
i guess this is what i get for using ancient versions of the game
worn ember
T
finite wave
@golden gust I’ll touch you tail
woven otter
hmm so nginx or apache 🤔
limber knotBOT
nginx
woven otter
why
limber knotBOT
Faster, easier to work with
woven otter
hmm might as well try it then
limber knotBOT
Only thing that upsets people generally is the lack of .htaccess
But imho, the usage of .htaccess is pretty broken
woven otter
yeah but it has its equivalent though right?
limber knotBOT
Yes and no
No in that there is no direct replacement for it
Yes in that you literally don't even need .htaccess files if you configure stuff properly
woven otter
that's understandable
void void
hello
vestal jasper
hi
void void
I have a question about paper's playerprofile api
can I constantly update a property? I want to set a player skin when the player have joined
and also have a command
golden gust
You can manipulate the profile however you want
it's just not going to send it unless you tell it to send it
void void
so after every modification I call complete() ?
glacial hazel
celest coyote
You should batch update all thr modifications then send
golden gust
No, asin you actually use the method to set the profile
complete just makes it call mojangs API to update the info
void void
as I said I want to update the player skin
on the specified server
not globally
will setting the property only will work or I should call complete() or anything other
golden gust
you modify the profile and then use the method on Player to actually update the info on the player
The server itself doesn't expect/care about any changes to the game profile after they join; Any updates need to be dealt with manually
dry needle
hello, just wanted to ask this question here again since I've read conflicting answers everywhere - I'm setting up a minigames server but I'm unsure what the optimal number of servers would be for an E3 v3? At first I assumed 1 per thread with 12-24 players would be a safe option so like 8, but other people on the forums seem to be running many more than this?
golden gust
Anybody who thinks they can accuratly given an answer to that is an idiot
Basically, there are so many variables in play
Some that you can see/predict, some that you can't; The literal only way you'll find out how much a machine can handle for your setup is by testing it
dry needle
in my experience running 4 x 24 players a server works fine, but if I double this to 8 - will there really be any difference?
I mean 8 x 12 players
golden gust
100% depends on the server load and the actual hardware
E3 v3 means literally nothing given how many different models that could apply to
golden gust
My advice is generally to budget 1.5 threads per server
dusk drift
^
golden gust
But, that was my main advice around 1.8, newer versions use more threads to do more at once and can easily cripple servers if they don't have the core count for the demands
signal edge
dry needle
yeah that's kind of what I assumed as well but then you have people posting on spigot about running 30+ servers... ideally I'd prefer running one single arena per server to simplify things but I guess I'll have to run around 2 or 3 then to free up threads
golden gust
as I said, it really boils down to testing it
Can you squeeze 30 servers on there? probably
is it going to be hell? Probably
dry needle
lol true
void void
peak dirge
Back in the 1.8 days, we'd put 60 servers on a dual-CPU, 24-core total beast of a machine with 128GB of RAM (this was a minigame server). Nowadays, that number would be a lot lower.
dry needle
yeah the last time I ran a network was in 2014 so I'm still trying to update myself with the new versions
A somewhat similar question - running multiple arenas on one server just means the single thread has to work multiple times as hard right? Why would that be more efficient than if I ran multiple servers on multiple threads? Wouldn't that be doing the same thing - balancing the load, only the CPU is handling the balancing?
void void
if you talk about practice arenas, in my server we made each arena on a new world
and we don't have any lag running paper 176
we have 28 setuped arenas and 2 are in build process btw
dry needle
what are practice arenas?
void void
don't u know what is practice ?
dry needle
oh, that's different
quasi valley
a great way of slightly reducing memory usage and more or less greatly the startup time is by disabling the nether and end world in the server properties/bukkityml
.. at least on minigame servers, or where you dont need one or both
void void
i did that as we don't need them on a practice
dry needle
yeah I think my servers are as efficient as I can get them already
running 1.13 no extra worlds and like 2 / 3 plugins only
quasi valley
I've gotten too used to the 1.14 client as to play with a lower one anymore
dry needle
I just use viaversion
quasi valley
quite interesting how server and client are the complete extremes, server sucks, client is as great as ever
golden gust
Why would that be more efficient than if I ran multiple servers on multiple threads
You do know that the existence of the JVM has overheads?
The resources used by plugins to say, communicate to a database, etc; uses resources
dry needle
ok, but I didn't think they were that impactful?
golden gust
It all adds up
zealous knot
Going back to discussion about nginx, because i'm a slowpoke, i just have an nginx config set up for each website on my VPS so if i need to add/edit rewrites or change some other shit i can just go to that websites config
i honestly think that's better than .htaccess because some retards put multiple htaccess files in a single website and they forget which one does what
plus nginx is like 9 septillion times faster then 🅱pache which means it's about as fast as your mom in my bed
worn ember
Ok
limber knotBOT
I like my Apache
mod_evasive and mod_security are invaluable, and being able to apt install all of it helps a ton
I like cockpit for the same reason really
pulsar wigeon
i honestly think that's better than .htaccess because some retards put multiple htaccess files in a single website and they forget which one does what
and that makes apache itself bad? sounds like a weak argument. apache discourages doing that - the main config files can specify per-dir/vhost directives
orchid bone
dire orchid
neat hornet
limber knotBOT
^
zealous knot
It's not an arguments it's an opinion, dealing with customers who are literally 16 years olds who have no idea how configs work iv'e seen a lot of misplaced and misconfigured .htaccess files, so naturally, i'd want to run away as far as possible from them
I just don't like apache because it's slow and because of how easy it is to misuse it's .htaccess files
limber knotBOT
Just saying "I don't like it because it's slow" is based off of a false assumption
limber knotBOT
That's fine
zealous knot
is that hard to fathom?
limber knotBOT
[07:48 AM] <+4caf50DiscordBot> <Mister_Fix> I just don't like apache because it's slow and because of how easy it is to misuse it's .htaccess files
That's different from "I just don't like it"
zealous knot
That's one of the reasons, it's not the reason
limber knotBOT
It's fine if you don't, but I'm arguing that saying Apache is slow is incorrect
zealous knot
Yep
zealous knot
Is it not slow compared to nginx? i'm asking because i never cared to test it after removing it about 3 years ago
limber knotBOT
Everyone has their preferences. I might actually like nginx better some day
zealous knot
Wait hold on 
void void
When you get pinged, so you reply, and the bot begins unleashing hell on you https://puu.sh/Eaano/e7141dd6b6.png
zealous knot
Do you actually know whether apache is slow or not? did you try nginx?
dusk drift
apache is not slow but its slower than nginx
dry needle
apaches can reach 365 km/h I'd say that's fast
zealous knot
LMAO
void void
limber knotBOT
It's hard to measure performance with something like that
void void
usually concurrent req/sec
limber knotBOT
Nginx is faster with static content, but content is rarely ever static
void void
speak for urself my content alweyz staticz
limber knotBOT
Fair
void void
dont @ me
woven otter
@void void
void void
@woven otter
vestal jasper
@void void hi
void void
@woven otter hello...my next fois gras, how is ur liver feeling
limber knotBOT
simpleauthority: hi
zealous knot
Bro i could finish 2 bags of doritos and skull a 50 ounce bottle of mtn. dew before apache finishes a single request
woven otter
@void void wow that's rude
void void
jesus it's so creepy when people tag their dead relatives on facebook
like wtf
using facebook in this way has got to be a form of mental illness
sorry but
🤢
zealous knot
I must say it's kind of creepier when those dead relatives respond though
potent warren
Using Facebook
void void
I use it because I have to, for family, they will not leave the platform
but I don't post there
just read
maybe birthday wishes sometimes
zealous knot
or not 
void void
but fr, my dad's mom died 2 yrs ago and she raised my cousin, but i checked it today for new messages and here's a post from my cousin tagging the dead woman
im like
zealous knot
mfw i realize that one day every single facebook account's owner will be dead
pulsar wigeon
you're assuming FB itself doesn't die
void void
i hope it does and they all move elsewhere
zealous knot
Nah bro, zucc will never give up
void void
fb is cancer
limber knotBOT
It's a necessary evil
pulsar wigeon
unless FB goes "read-only" for a period of many decades, there will be new account owners all the time
zealous knot
hm that kind of makes sense but not necessarily
void void
dude i know people today that make accounts for the fucking dogs
and post bark
they have that much free time
zealous knot
what if everybody just kind of forgets about the website but it keeps existing
void void
or are that lonely
pulsar wigeon
yea i don't see that happening
if everyone "forgets" about it, they will run out of money and shut down
slim nymph
it wont be static lol
zealous knot
it would be if everyone forgot about it
fleet flint
pulsar wigeon
no it wouldn't
slim nymph
and @void void if your website is low traffic, it doesnt matter if nginx can serve 100x rps if your rps is so low that its even under apaches limits lol. nginx vs apache only matters if you run a high traffic website that can peak apaches performance. even MY server doesnt come close to that and i use apache
pulsar wigeon
even if nothing changes, they still have to generate the pages all the time
zealous knot
Which pages?
slim nymph
even the javascript is probably not static
pulsar wigeon
just because no one makes requests, doesn't magically make it static
slim nymph
well i guess they prob do have some static main js, then some dynamic js
void void
Like I said, I'm mainly in it for the config
zealous knot
i didn't mean literally static as in html pages i meant static as in no new content or traffic
zealous knot
ok retard
void void
yup
pulsar wigeon
you can't just redefine it at a whim and expect everyone to 'read your mind'
void void
?
it literally does mister_fix
it means the files are static
on the webserver
no external reqs
void void
o.o
slim nymph
can we lower the toxicity down a tad damn
void void
Aikar you've been gone too long
pulsar wigeon
aikar
void void
This chat is literally a toxic pit
slim nymph
do i need to come back swinging a hammer
void void
lol
slim nymph
pulsar wigeon
void void
😂
zealous knot
LOL
slim nymph
thats not new
serene bolt
Hahahaha
slim nymph
1000 of those are prob from before me disappearing
void void
bit less
pulsar wigeon
no they weren't aikar lol
we've been tracking this for a while
he must've been at like 500 before then
serene bolt
that's an impressive vocabulary
limber knotBOT
Aikar is Thor confirmed
void void
IT Thor
ancient bolt
This was fun last night
void void
oof
slim nymph
did you play outside
zealous knot
for a second i though you were hit by that lightning 
pulsar wigeon
that shutter roll thing lol
do phones even use rolling shutters
that doesn't seem right tbh. idk
zealous knot
Many still do
zealous knot
Is there even phones with global shutters yet
ancient bolt
Doing entire frame captures instantly is too much bandwidth
pulsar wigeon
oic
void void
ur too much bandwidth
slim nymph
need dem gigabits
zealous knot
literally tho?
void void
wendover it is
slim nymph
watch some ark videos so you can then come play with me
void void
i bought ark, opened it, got killed by a dinosaur, closed it, refunded
woven otter
Aikar could've swung his hammer when the weebs and devons were active
void void
hell yeah
void void
hell yeah :(
slim nymph
yeah well ark likes to give you 3 new buttholes a day as a noob
void void
also it seemed not my kind of game but maybe ill buy it again some time
slim nymph
and 1 a day as a vet
wide chasm
I only play on Easy with Assist Mode on /s
serene bolt
how's empire been doing aikar? haven't seen you in a while
slim nymph
doing fine
been doing a mental break 😛
1.13 was just too much to deal with 1.14
leafs got this
serene bolt
yeah no kidding
slim nymph
so everything wrong blame leaf
slim nymph
and his stupid vocab
woven otter
.blame
woven otter
🤔
slim nymph
ark is not a solo players game lol.
you will have a bad time
well, i gues not bad, but capped. some content is just not designed for solo. like massive breeding projects gonna be slow progress
slim nymph
yeah but ark has super males that can get it on with 20 females all at same time no endurance issues
slim nymph
they least give females a cooldown lol.but males be like yo come to me ladies
i totally forgot to set a timer last night when my eggs were gonna hatch and come back and all my dead babies, and i had new color mutation to a yellow giga too 😦
void void
The prof the other day was like "can a single male repopulate the entire earth, given that 1,000,000 women and 1 man are still alive?"
and he's quiet for like 2 mins. then he just goes yes
pulsar wigeon
unless that male is you, in which case none of the ladies are interested in repopulating the earth
slim nymph
lol
serene bolt
o o f
golden gust
void void
Alright, I gotta go to class
Might chat while im in there
Laptop approved zone \o/
worn ember
i dont think i'm every wasting 109GB on bandwith installing ARK again
let alone put it on a drive 🙂
woven otter
https://i.imgur.com/NbuFt1N.png
fucking cunt ffs
serene bolt
200gb game, wow is this 2019
worn ember
and im not putting it on a HDD cuz then it literally takes 10 minutes to load
theres really not a single reason that game should be 200GB
slim nymph
ark uses overly complex models and ineffecient data packs i think. a small update took 12GB the other day as i expect they changed just a small bit of files in a large data pack but has to send entire pack
they really need to redo the models
worn ember
just throw the whole game away
dusk drift
Aikar, can I have a new butt hole
serene bolt
have you seen ARK on the switch? I couldn't stop laughing at how poor the port was, mobile is not the console for ARK that's for sure
slim nymph
lol switch is abandoned, i laugh at the switch players QQ'ing on forums like they are ever gonna get an update
golden gust
wut is your issue duck?
slim nymph
WC didnt even make the switch version
worn ember
what the fuck were they even thinking
slim nymph
@worn ember i assume you dont have a super gibson PC 😛 I just play on OneX, runs fine there
worn ember
it runs fine most of the time
worn ember
its the rubberbanding on official servers that threw me off, and the insane time it takes to do literally anything
slim nymph
oh you mean lag spikes, yeah official can lag.
worn ember
and i dont have friends to play with lul
serene bolt
@dusk drift I was on your server yesterday just checking out various survival servers and your tutorial room / spawn / general flow of the server is pretty dope, actually felt unique and not cookie cutter so kudos to that
woven otter
ecat: #paper-dev
worn ember
i spend 3 weeks building a decent base, to get it whiped in a single night when i wasnt even online
slim nymph
yeah fuck pvp, i dont do that