Portugal friend!!
#general
grand slate
worn ember
another portugoose
grand slate
The only other portugoose in the world
zealous knot
Say something in portugese
grand slate
THERE'S A PORTUGOOSE
potent warren
Stop making me cringe lmao
worn ember
well technically its portugeese now
zealous knot
yeah say hit to him
grand slate
@potent warren say hi to ur new friend now!!
zealous knot
LOL @worn ember
grand slate
He's feeling sad now ;*
limber knotBOT
I want to imagine a world where we do the exact same thing with US users
vestal jasper
oh hi fix
limber knotBOT
ping everyone from the US the instant that someone new from there joins
grand slate
What's an mc head
worn ember
https://github.com/DarkEyeDragon/MMSG while you're all here plz star so i get some internet fame
grand slate
Btw fix i'm using mcheads' api for that sweet sweet caching and rate limit
limber knotBOT
how can I give a negative star
worn ember
you just click the button
grand slate
Can i report it
worn ember
it will gif -(-1)
limber knotBOT
reported for racism
potent warren
Just starn't his project
grand slate
Near London yea
potent warren
Well, at least he's using Paper
zealous knot
i got a new VPS for the mojang API proxy, mind taking some measurements for me?
worn ember
imagine using spigot lul
zealous knot
it's in the US tho
grand slate
Sure, send me the endpoint
worn ember
i can do some too @zealous knot i still got that spam script lol
craggy galleon
zealous knot
I need measurements not load tests lmao
grand slate
Just turning on my pc
worn ember
they come with response times you nugget
zealous knot
<you can use any UUID>
zealous knot
from my proxy to MCHeads takes like 40 ms to fetch an uncached profile from mojang 
potent warren
Page is in sand nugget translate to English? /s @worn ember
zealous knot
that's like 160 - 170 ms less just by changing location
zealous knot
Also it's been running for however long i can't be fucked to figure out
and there's basically fuck all rate limit hits
4 days
lol
grand slate
@zealous knot 0.227279
seconds
i just used curl -s -o /dev/null -w "%{total_time}\n" "http://51.79.73.149:2580/sessionserver/c5ef334745934f398bb12eaa40dd986e" if that's what you want
zealous knot
Bro you tea drinking fucks have some slow ass internet
grand slate
oi, well it could be my dodgy curl command idk
zealous knot
nah that's fine
golden gust
transatlantic will ez add 80ms to the network tbh
worn ember
fat packets
grand slate
yup, anyway i'm still using mcheads to convert usernames to uuids
worn ember
does anyone know of a package to convert dos to unix?
dos2unix doesnt work and i cant install it either
worn ember
well guess not
worn ember
wtf now it downloads π€ weird
golden gust
Install gentoo
zealous knot
Why am i hearing about it so often lately 
worn ember
lol
limber knotBOT
electroniccat https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/8gqxej5qi4ihoi7/262801651.png You're special <3
worn ember
gea
golden gust
am confusion
worn ember
lmao wtf
grand slate
wise linux ppl, best screenshot application for linux
worn ember
gentoo looks pretty lit
zealous knot
worn ember
link lol
zealous knot
I don't even remember giving him a special display name 
worn ember
this doesnt look too bad either
limber knotBOT
https://mc-heads.net/user/electronicboyLol the number on this website keeps going up and down
worn ember
IE user confirmed
grand slate
lol i just searched my name, ew my name history
zealous knot
LOL!!!!
limber knotBOT
s/IE/Chrome
Correction, <DiscordBot> <03DβarβkEβyeβDrβagβonβ> Chrome user confirmed
worn ember
π€
grand slate
@zealous knot how long do you cache uuid -> name conversions for?
limber knotBOT
quick question, does anyone know of a terrain generator that is 100% caves from the top to the bottom of the map?
vestal jasper
if there's no blocks in the world then the entire thing is a cave
limber knotBOT
I'd really love to have a map that is just all giant cave systems
zealous knot
IIRC 4 hours
grand slate
eh I'll cache your responses for an hour
zealous knot
w8 which endpoint are you using
grand slate
i can't remember, let me go see
void void
Hey can I ask for some help please?I want to know if 1.14 is better than 1.14.4 ?
vestal jasper
void void
As far as I know 1.14.4 is more stable than 1.14.
grand slate
https://mc-heads.net/minecraft/profile/name
zealous knot
The higher numbner is alwaYS BETTER
void void
Will take a look thanks π
zealous knot
@grand slate yeah that's 4 hours
grand slate
alright, i'll cache for 2 hours, they could have been requested before from another service
void void
You didn't send it for me did you ? π
zealous knot
you can get single digit response times if you request it within that 4 hour timeframe again
void void
eh nvm will use 1.14.4 π hope it's better :p
grand slate
mhm ofc yea, i just don't want to use bandwidth on my vps :d
hence why I'm caching it
grand slate
leaf's pfp hurts to look at
zealous knot
i like his pfp >:c
high geode
worn ember
@void void 1.14.4 is a lot better
worn ember
it includes a bunch of fixes and optimizations
limber knotBOT
man people who believe in gang stalking are really fucked in the head, it's rather sad to watch
grand slate
r u ok intellij, where's the documentation ffs
limber knotBOT
speaking of intellij
share your most useful shortcuts
I keep forgetting the good ones
limber knotBOT
yeah that's imporant
it's good to see how shitty other IDEs are compared to intellij
grand slate
alt + insert to bring up the box to auto generate stuff
dusk drift
Name me one thing Eclipse can't do that J can
golden gust
Be fast
limber knotBOT
be good
golden gust
Also, IJ can't see the javadocs there as you don't have them, works fine here but I might have had to tell it to grab something or other
golden gust
dusk drift
I've used both, literally the same
limber knotBOT
wasn't there a javadoc lookup shortcut for intellij
I could swear there was one
that just previewed
I know ctrl+click on method shows where it comes from
golden gust
F1
woven otter
CTRL + B
dusk drift
I don't think J is better than Eclipse but I don't think J is better than Eclipse either
limber knotBOT
no that opens the class
dusk drift
J is where all the new frogs are
limber knotBOT
I know there's one that opens a small preview window with just the method's documentation
golden gust
Oh, you're on windows
woven otter
share your most useful shortcuts
i was responding to this btw
golden gust
Probs some other key
grand slate
mhm yea cat, i just realised, new installation of OS...
grand slate
thought intellij was just being a bit stoopid, nope it was me
limber knotBOT
!null
oh shit I found it
ctrl+q
really cool shortcut
gotta remember it
I sort of wish they did circular menus like blender
those are really great
grand slate
what's spigot done now?...
woven otter
let's blame md_5
acoustic basin
I remember I got a dogy fake spigot once when trying to download it
It was from like downloadbukket.org
Or something
grand slate
downloading spigot online o.o
zealous knot
@golden gust Holy fucking shit do you always get kids defending Eclipse here or is this a rare sight?
golden gust
vestal jasper
LOL
vestal jasper
hi
wait how does he even do that without whatever he's using bitching at him
or does he just use vim
cyan parrot
zealous knot
lmfao
worn ember
is there a flag, config setting that prevents spawn chunks from generating?
zealous knot
I vaguely remember stumbling upon something like that so i'm pretty sure it exists
worn ember
cant find any in the configs
grand slate
lmao @NotNull 1 line later this(.... null, ...)
@vestal jasper in spigot, yellow lines for warnings are very common, probs just forgot
too many warnings
vestal jasper
He also added another constructor using the NotNull annotation
either he's blindly copy/pasting or he genuinely doesn't know what the annotation means
grand slate
i reckon he does know what notnull means, i mean, it's sorta in the name. just being dum
vestal jasper
There's no way he didn't see it
If it's no longer relevant than he should remove the annotation
grand slate
just a big dum
unreal quarry
He uses netbeans, and I'm 90% certain he's disabled warnings
vestal jasper
so then what's the point of the annotations 
I straight up don't trust them because half the time they're inaccurate.
If you can't trust them and he doesn't even follow his contracts I see 0 reason for them to be used.
worn ember
π
unreal quarry
Agree 100%, they never should have been added. Blame whoever put up that pr
golden gust
I'd have nothing wrong with them if they where accurate
void void
the server being overloaded is a normal thing with 1.14
vestal jasper
The innacurate annotations also fuck with people using kotlin
grand slate
The annotations were a good idea, but i blame whoever thought that they would use them properly lol
vestal jasper
event.getInventory().getMatrix() returns null elements.
I get the feeling IDEA's more of the problem here though.
It's annotated NotNull so IDEA thinks "nothing in this can be null!"
worn ember
annotations lul
grand slate
but who's to blame? the person who said it wasn't null, or the IDE for believing them
vestal jasper
IDEA's prob more of the issue here
I'm fairly certain the annotation applies to the return of the method not the contents of the array that is the return
golden gust
That's more down to how annotations work
You can't really tell it if the array contents might be null or not
grand slate
from what I've read online, it also applies to contents, which is weird
green jacinth
worn ember
i mean, the developer is at fault here, he should know how to use the annotations
vestal jasper
It's their fault but I'd make the same mistake tbh
grand slate
mhm yea i get that, I didn't realise it either, but if I were to tag an array with @NotNull i'd probably then realise
vestal jasper
But I'm not sure if someone who isn't well versed with NotNull and Nullable annotations should be the person adding them to a large project like this
grand slate
exactly yea
worn ember
then he shouldnt use them
thats like saying threads are at fault for people using them wrong
or anything for that matter
zealous knot
Darkeye: the developer is at fault for not knowing how to use annotations.
Also darkeye: Man fuck FTP i can't navigate to the nginx directory
worn ember
i wasnt blaming ftp for that lol
woven otter
let's just blame someone for the sake of the argument
zealous knot
It was comedic exaggeration but true
worn ember
π€
grand slate
filezilla is fire
zealous knot
worn ember
lemme make a web based FTP service π€
worn ember
not like theres any good alternatives
zealous knot
WinCSP
worn ember
lmao
zealous knot
Would i be shitting on FileZilla if there were no better alternatives
well actually
... yeah i would
but it'd sound different
worn ember
you're not allowed to call something trash if you cant do it better - @potent warren
zealous knot
I like that you made it italic too in true NickAc fashion
potent warren
zealous knot
NickAc is the type of guy to be like I wanna kill myself /s
grand slate
NickAC be like C# noises
zealous knot
LMFAO
worn ember
stop bullying the guy smh
worn ember
im innocent
grand slate
worn ember
bleh i dont like how the -Dcom.mojang.eula.agree=true flag sleeps the server for a while ;n;
golden gust
Er, it doesn't?
worn ember
it does π€
golden gust
nop
worn ember
well something is then
golden gust
It poops out some messages on stderr, but other than that it's just spr fast server startup as usual
worn ember
it always seem to hang on that message a bit π€ maybe from loading other stuff after idk
grand slate
oh dark...
worn ember
might be cause of the amount of servers being instantiated at once
how often do you guys commit?
worn ember
fair enough
void void
Everytime I remember to commit :^)
grand slate
idk who tf buildtools thinks he is???
faint belfry
worn ember
hm?
anyone who can confirm that commands get executed as soon as the server is fully loaded?
seems to be the case from testing but is it guaranteed?
void void
@worn ember ?? wat
buoyant smelt
worn ember
when your server is still starting up, and you execute a command, is it guaranteed to execute said command as soon as the server is loaded?
not sure how else to say this?
spiral finch
coarse flower
void void
Oh, I'm not really sure. That's been my experience, but I can't say "for sure"
worn ember
yeah same lol
crisp glacier
Yeah... in general Chat seems to work when the server is (re)loading, but it gets processed later
But f.e. Chat formatting using plugins does not work
worn ember
yeah thats no issue, i just wanted to know if i can invoke my commands the moment the server boots lol
void void
thats bc chat is async of the server
but the plugin was not reenabled yet to catch the event
crisp glacier
Idk if the behavior of booting is the same as reload, but yes
I think you can
But anyway... your plugin has to be loaded obviously
worn ember
yeah, im hooking into the process though
spring thunder
bitter ridge
static badge
literally the image is linked
rocky wave
Hmm, just send that angry ping meme pls
woven otter
heh was Marry AKA Devon banned?
grand slate
@woven otter poor devon #2 ;(
woven otter
@grand slate let's wait for #3 lel
void void
Not poor Devon
unkempt drift
Devon got banned?
quasi valley
it was such a delight
void void
Yes
woven otter
2 devons I guess
unkempt drift
What'd he do? Sorry I missed it
woven otter
he was being a lying turd
void void
Well I'm pretty sure his chats about underage sex really kicked it past the "ok" boundary
unkempt drift
yeah that sounds like the more bannable thing
woven otter
his claims were unbelievable
void void
Yup
quasi valley
sadly all messages are gone, I'd have loved to also have read that
grand slate
Nah i reckon he was telling the truth, he's 35
worn ember
https://youtu.be/bqtqltqcQhw super interesting π
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void void
Well the lie was he's 16 and his "wife" is 15 and they have two kids aged 4 and 5.
woven otter
he's too retarded for a 35 year old
woven otter
yeah and when noone believed him he pulled the typical "I wanted to see your reaction"
limber knotBOT
Under 13 is banned anyways
pulsar wigeon
hm?
unkempt drift
Disocrd TOS is 13+ right?
pulsar wigeon
he's 16
limber knotBOT
Yes discord tos is 13+
void void
He's 16 but he was telling us all the details about his underage conception.
void void
^
It's amazing how few people know about thay
Technically you can accept a waiver for <13 from parents but too much work
woven otter
I learnt about COPPA from Silicon Valley lel
unkempt drift
is that US or EU as well? (the 13 age)
limber knotBOT
Not everything, there are some exceptions
pulsar wigeon
COPPA is US reg
void void
That's a us law
pulsar wigeon
dunno if EU has something similar
worn ember
its pretty common tho
unkempt drift
I imagine they must
pulsar wigeon
but if the company operates in the US at all they have to follow that so
unkempt drift
ya ofc
void void
I mean it's easy to just set your own bylaw of 13+ and then meet COPPA and then not worry about the EU
pulsar wigeon
right
void void
As your own policy states 13+ too
unkempt drift
ya ik, I was just wondering what the EU reg is
limber knotBOT
Itβs a US law, but if they have serve there states, they have to follow it as well
void void
Alright I'm heading to class. See ya guys l8r
limber knotBOT
Which is almost any online company
void void
Also I'm p sure if you even have us servers whether or not if you're an eu company you have to abide coppa
limber knotBOT
The privacy policy requirement is thanks to some law maker in California
US servers or US users
pulsar wigeon
- any company operating in the US
- any individual in US jurisdiction
void void
Servers as you're storing their data in us
pulsar wigeon
so, US individual is covered when signing up for a site in europe, and an EU individual is covered when signing up for a site in the US
kinda like GDPR i guess
wait might just be the latter
tbh idk
that would be more lenient than gdpr
zealous knot
Speaking about retarded laws that give me hemorrhoids, has the CFAA been repealed yet, i never bothered to check
void void
Damn this chick in class just gave some poor dude the hand
Unnecessarily rude
I hate freshmen, they think they're hot shit
He just wanted to ask a question about homework
golden gust
1st years
cosmic pivot
Freshman are either first year in high school or college...so either generally 13-14 or 18-19
golden gust
So, probs 13-14 knowing simple
golden gust
Didn't know he was that old though
unreal quarry
Without college freshmen, who would ride those fake taxis or hold job interviews on the couch?
runs away
zealous knot
L M F A O
wooden palm
mystic heath
grand slate
Freshmen are a vital part of the ecosystem
limpid flame
can i advertise my mc server?
grand slate
^^^^^^
zealous knot
Join me minecwaft serwer pl0ox
grand slate
Developers & owners, and some ppl double up as both
sacred wren
grand slate
Welcome*
Good question i just saw, why does Bukkit use reflection for events?
Like ik there must be a reason, but what is it?
Could just register some handler instances
golden gust
You can
grand slate
But why did Bukkit choose to use reflection? Given the alternative
golden gust
Because it's cleaner
grand slate
Fair enough
pulsar wigeon
it's just for registration right?
don't see an issue here
or are we talking about method.invoke
i mean methodhandle didn't exist in 2011
golden gust
Bukkit uses invoke
pulsar wigeon
yea i know
golden gust
I'd imagine that their comment is more on the invoke given the ref to consumers, or even both π€·
pulsar wigeon
but since methodhandle didn't exist, the alternatives there are like...all the asm shit that paper does, or make an interface for every single event and make people register instances separately
what ref to consumers
golden gust
Oh, that was in paper-dev or something
pulsar wigeon
he said "register handler instances"
so i thought he meant the usage of reflection to gather @eventhandler-annotated methods
not to invoke those later
oh
didn't see the paper-dev convo
consumer also didn't exist in 2011
golden gust
bukkit actually did do the interface at one point π
boy am I glad they got rid of that
pulsar wigeon
i mean, you can manually register an executor or something can't you
golden gust
Yup
grand slate
I was referencing the whole thing, to register, to invoke, all of it. Just the use of reflection in general
Ay um where would u register an executor manually?
pulsar wigeon
the idea that "reflection is bad" is pretty misfounded tbh
golden gust
registerEvent method
grand slate
In the JavaPlugin class?
golden gust
on the plugin manager
pulsar wigeon
same place all the other registration happens
grand slate
Yup just forgot that temporarily
pulsar wigeon
there's like 2-3 different register methods or somehting
pulsar wigeon
in what way lol
noble hatch
grand slate
Well, if done improperly it can go wrong, but ignoring that, speed isn't as optimal as just calling a method
pulsar wigeon
as far as registration goes, you shouldn't be looking at performance at all
grand slate
No ofc not
pulsar wigeon
like cat said it's a million times cleaner than making people register a million executors
grand slate
Mhm it is, tbf
noble hatch
Hi i just switch over to paperspigot 176 from using spigot and i am having bad performance https://sparkprofiler.github.io/#MENvIfg1MY
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
as far as method invocation, that was just the limitations of 2011
methodhandles are as fast as native invocation so it could probably be switched in this day and age
also tbh i don't think the bus was ever really a bottleneck
grand slate
:+1: it's a lot better than it used to be, I personally don't love the idea of reflection as a whole, but it's used nicely in this case so no problems
worn ember
Bus? Vroom vroom
pulsar wigeon
"metaprogramming sux hurr durr"
worn ember
π
grand slate
No haha, i find reflection fine, idk why but for me it just seems weird using it unless there'a no other way. as i said, in this case, it's done nicely so doesn't matter. It's just if I were to do it I don't think I would have done it
pulsar wigeon
I personally don't love the idea of reflection as a whole
No haha, i find reflection fine,
can you fucking make up your mind
grand slate
The idea of using it when u don't have to
wide chasm
The design of the current event system is pretty nice. Impl. could be better, but other than that it's pretty nice.
pulsar wigeon
as a whole
no actually jk just using it when u don't have to
main rapids
grand slate
??
pulsar wigeon
also seriously, "unless there's no other way"?
are you suggesting OOP is the answer to everything?
grand slate
Let's not open that can of worms... OOP is not great
pulsar wigeon
would you really rather have the other way if it meant having a separate interface for every single event?
what an ultimatum
grand slate
As i said... in this case it's fine
pulsar wigeon
unless there's no other way
OOP is not great
golden gust
Sharkie, use timings, not spark
grand slate
In what way lmfao
worn ember
wiz, why do you always sound like you want to stab someone?
grand slate
^
worn ember
calm down son xD
wide chasm
Tbh, I wouldn't mind a Player#registerEvent(Class<T extends PlayerEvent> clazz, Consumer<T>)
grand slate
I feel like he's very angry at me for something
pulsar wigeon
you are constantly contradicting yourself
worn ember
Well thats Christ for you
grand slate
But like... i'm not.
grand slate
I said OOP is not great, but in the context of an OOP language, I only use reflection if there's no other way to do something
wide chasm
Are you asking me?
wide chasm
Yes, I mean Player. A way to directly register a PlayerEvent to a Player, where it'd only fire the event when the PlayerEvent is from that Player. I wouldn't mind that as an additional option.
wide chasm
Why?
grand slate
God he's angry af
golden gust
Have you ever looked at how bukkits event stuff works?
pulsar wigeon
every executor would need a precondition to check
so every time a player event got fired
wide chasm
Yes, it wouldn't work great in the current context
golden gust
The only way you could pull that off as-is, would basically be to register a handler for each player for the event
pulsar wigeon
every single executor would have to check if it's matching the event instance before firing
wide chasm
But, if the event system got redone entirely at some point (which will never happen), then I'd like soemthing like that.
golden gust
that would
- Result in a metric fuckton of event executors
- Completely blow up any hopes of performance
pulsar wigeon
how do you propose that will work?
lol
imagine every entity in the world has its own handler list
oh god
wide chasm
It won't work great in the current context, no.
golden gust
That wouldn't even be viable, no matter what, something needs to filter it
wide chasm
Would probably require a complete redesign tbh. Not ever going to happen probably.
pulsar wigeon
sponge has filters like onEvent(@Root Player player) which won't fire if there isn't a player cause
but that's not a specific player instance
golden gust
If you really want that, do it in your own plugin
vestal jasper
sponge is nice to work with
golden gust
You can do that more efficently than bukkit can
pulsar wigeon
ok you can keep fucking saying "won't work in current context" and "would require a redesign" but you haven't actually fucking said anything that will work
lol
wide chasm
What would you want me to say, how I would implement such a design if I were to create a new event system?
pulsar wigeon
that's what i said
in fact
i didn't even ask for implementation details
just kind of a rough vision
golden gust
Well, yea; if you think that there is a sane way to do it in bukkit without rekin performance or breaking things like event priorities
wide chasm
Alright, rough vision. You register something to a specific instance of a player and it has to be a conrete event of PlayerEvent. When that event is fired, you check if the player instance from that event is the same as the one you registered it on, if so call the Consumer you passed in. The specific events can just be registered (in some way) on-demand - the specific event will only be registered when something needs it.
golden gust
as I said, you can do that in a plugin yourself
and you can likely do that more efficently than bukkit can
wide chasm
I have considered implementing it myself before, just haven't really done anything with it yet.
grand slate
I've done a similar thing, it's easy to do in a plugin
junior kite
grand slate
Welcome
golden gust
Bearing in mind that registering events at runtime can be a pretty hefty performance hit
Nothing like invalidating the event handler lists
wide chasm
I guess that is true. Of course in such a system, you'd preferably keep one global listener for each event class and not create hundred listeners listening for the same thing, to keep this minimal.
pulsar wigeon
but...each of those global listeners would still have to handle new executors with specific player-(or whatever) instance filters and priorities?
what happens if one plugin wants to globally listen to, say, PlayerInteractEvent at normal prio, but then someone registers two executors for one particular player instance, one at lowest and one at highest
you still need to reorder the entire handler list to ensure that the player-specific handler at lowest goes first, then the global handler at med, then the specific at highest
golden gust
The issue there is that you introduce so many behavioral quirks around the system that it becomes unreliable anyways
e.g. plugins expect event handlers to be called in the order they're registered
wide chasm
The global listener would only help in cases where the priority and the event type is the same, yes.
potent warren
@austere ivy bruh. That's in the future
void void
What's the drama
austere ivy
Hello.
void void
Go away
austere ivy
What.
worn ember
@austere ivy Hello
void void
potent warren
What.
grand slate
ancient bolt
Found the dumbest reason to use lombok: to increase code coverage because you don't have to test the getters and setters
wide chasm
Wow, lol
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grand slate
Lol lombok
void void
define rate
potent warren
almost forgot that
void void
what's there to rate?
potent warren
I guess how bad they are π
void void
but what do they normally look like
potent warren
they're custom blocks
ancient bolt
I don't mind lombok
@slim nymph doesn't either
that's like 1/3 of paper's dev team that doesn't mind it
pulsar wigeon
.lombok
potent warren
Lombok FTW β€
limber knotBOT
[03:01:27] <gabizou> fuck you and the lombok horse you rode in on
ancient bolt
it has its uses Β―_(γ)_/Β―
slim nymph
I even went a step further and added Manifold. it's like a fucking magic genie of features!
ancient bolt
never heard of manifold
potent warren
It's magic.
ancient bolt
will look that up
potent warren
Java extensions finally π
slim nymph
noone cares for kotlin
potent warren
Shut up with that piece of trash.
slim nymph
lombok+manifold gives quite a few of kotlins features
ancient bolt
I love kotlin...
slim nymph
oh oops :hides:
pulsar wigeon
you're supposed to be MIA, cant just show up for casual convo whenever
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lombok 
ancient bolt
type safe reflection woah
slim nymph
manifold only supports IDEA though, but IDEA master race so not an issue
potent warren
oH, lEt's pRoTeCt eVeRyOnE AgAiNsT NuLl vAlUeS UwU
golden gust
If it wasn't for the fact that it was so gross at the same time, I wouldn't mind it as much
golden gust
Bungees usage of it in the API has also given me a bad taste :L
vestal jasper
silver
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34 sr above 1500 is bronze
slim nymph
string interpolation is amazing gift for manifold too
golden gust
Built into kotlin β€
ancient bolt
manifold isn't even an extension of java
I'd say it's a language superset of java
like groovy
potent warren
If someone were to make a C# to JVM bytecode, I'd love it. /s
slim nymph
whoa this preprocessor is new
ancient bolt
cause it's doesn't just do stuff with APs and whatnot
it legit adds syntax to the language
ancient bolt
I don't understand the structural types stuff
slim nymph
and they said they arent really interested in other IDE's
the maintainers pretty responsive to try to fix issues too
I found some major bugs with using extensions with Bukkit and he fixed them
ancient bolt
the metaprogramming thing seems really cool
potent warren
On my first day using Manifold, I already fell in love with .jailbreak()
ancient bolt
overall this feature set isn't that compelling to me though
slim nymph
we got a pretty extensive extension method API built for our plugin now
potent warren
Love me some type-safe reflection
ancient bolt
I like Kotlin anyways
slim nymph
well compared to kotlin sure. but for a java only project its amazing
you can have all these goodies inside of libraries w/o worrying about kotlin stdlib
golden gust
Instead you just pull some hax into your build process
ancient bolt
yeah this hax goes way farther than lombok
golden gust
For me, the major kickers for lombok and things like Minifold is the tooling dependency around them
pulsar wigeon
someone is gonna trip on that
slim nymph
@pulsar wigeon you know we do that shit all the time with SneakyThrows π
ancient bolt
so stuff like dark java seems kinda dumbb
pulsar wigeon
you do
golden gust
e.g. the IDE plugins which can tend to break on every update, the risk that java is going to pull some crazy stuff off in the next release
ancient bolt
that's so easy to do with standard classloader magic
pulsar wigeon
would not suggest for public project/api
slim nymph
i go afk for while and come back and nick is still whining about .net
ancient bolt
doesn't that already exist
potent warren
What's the problem with .NET
π
Now for serious, what's wrong with .net and C# in your opinion?
ancient bolt
if you want .NET just run it on .NET core?
worn ember
Oh hey Aikar, havent seen you in a while
ancient bolt
wjy run .NET on the JVM?
slim nymph
I love how manifold implemented extension methods overall though. its a scalable approach
worn ember
its funny cuz he hasnt really talked about .NET much and you come back and its the first thing he brings up xD
slim nymph
so hes attacking me!
potent warren
I'm not?!
MS said they are going to have Java interop on .net 5.... But until then π¦
worn ember
ban him
slim nymph
π’
potent warren
π¦
worn ember
what does that even mean
slim nymph
gasp. last 5 hour at work
potent warren
What? @worn ember
slim nymph
better not forget to bring more tomorrow
worn ember
"java interop"
potent warren
@worn ember probably the same they're already doing with Xamarin..
worn ember
ah yeah that explains everything...
potent warren
Java callable c# code and C# callable java code..
slim nymph
go PR it to graal
worn ember
slim nymph
well your the only one who wants it
potent warren
Don't you think I tried?
slim nymph
gasp leave the dinos alone!
worn ember
wifi conquers all
quasi valley
looks accurate
potent warren
How come? Are we forgetting all the Xamarin apps that run on Android, iOS and Mac OS?
quasi valley
it just kills you midst through your awesome dino run ;(
potent warren
On Android they run on top of Java.
slim nymph
darks trying to kill my dinos
worn ember
i bet they glitched through the world anyway
glass vapor
Good antispam plugin, anyone?
vestal jasper
make your own
slim nymph
you dont need your build in your username @glass vapor lol
slim nymph
since you should be updating often anyways
glass vapor
even though I'm on 174
slim nymph
see
potent warren
auto-updater when?
slim nymph
it just adds noise π
quasi valley
reference for whom
slim nymph
no, dont ever auto update
worn ember
make your CL update your username on new release
pulsar wigeon
remember when everyone just updated and items started duping on death?
worn ember
anyone else think rainbow tables are pretty?
potent warren
*******
pulsar wigeon
that's what happens when you autoupdate
quasi valley
who needs testing anyways
worn ember
test in production
slim nymph
@pulsar wigeon or when i pushed a build that deleted contents of all chests in loaded chunks
quasi valley
^
potent warren
π
worn ember
cant say i didnt try
quasi valley
and backups are for scrubs as well
slim nymph
sure, go ahead and auto update and let it run for 16 hours while you sleep and go to work/school
slim nymph
well when an app follows semver and QAp procedures,its less an issue
we do not live in a world like that
slim nymph
mojang does not have any quality control, and our team doesnt have the time to be mojangs unpaid QA team
potent warren
rip
slim nymph
so bugs will happen, test yo self
worn ember
Bugs? more like Bees
slim nymph
or least be around when that update goes out to react
quasi valley
well you are mojangs unpaid devs
potent warren
How do big servers even manage that?
potent warren
quasi valley
just a first snapshot, their theme is yet to be announced in a month π
but they have bees!
slim nymph
how about fixing 1.14
potent warren
Nope.
worn ember
i think the theme is pretty obvious
potent warren
That's not needed
worn ember
dont fix shid and add new stuff
quasi valley
that's probably what they're on rn, already had some nasty bugs fixed in the snapshot
hopefully they'll go on
glass vapor
they did say they'll do some performance improvements with 1.15
slim nymph
worn ember
Next version: Remove KennyTV from the game
potent warren
Here's an off-topic question: Why haven't I heard about more servers using this trick to give more custom user experiences to players? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEk_l_bosZo
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worn ember
cuz its too much work
slim nymph
https://tenor.com/u6Qr.gif mojang
worn ember
lmao
potent warren
inb4 mojang is powered by interns
quasi valley
it's more like
people: you have bugs!
mojang: 
worn ember
i think those would write better code
slim nymph
well a lot of the recent issues i think are from fry, but still a team fault for allowing this shit to occur
worn ember
Mojang in a nutshell
potent warren
lul
quasi valley
you cant fail the tests if there are no tests
slim nymph
they are letting him just introduced complex changes/refactors when they arent even warranted/needed
quasi valley
worn ember
0/0 is 100% successrate
slim nymph
fucking DFU -_-
potent warren
oh, I just remembered, wasn't there some kind of data api for storing shit on things?
worn ember
"shit on things"
slim nymph
worn ember
why does he have a bulge while pooping
potent warren
Why are you even looking at that?
worn ember
cuz it bothers me
potent warren
slim nymph
never had wood from a good poop?
quasi valley
hmm they had the biome voting for 1.14, so I guess they'll now either put some stuff into the taiga or desert biome... had my hopes high on a cave update :>
worn ember
i mean
slim nymph
1.15 was suppose to be a combat revisit....
worn ember
thats classified info
potent warren
Aikar, https://tenor.com/4dBr.gif
quasi valley
they said the combat stuff will come when it's done, maybe 1.15 maybe later
quasi valley
apparently it's far frome done but started
slim nymph
if you want better graphics, come play ARK with me instead ;P
where buildings more fun
quasi valley
oh havent played that in such a long time
potent warren
Playing ARK at work
slim nymph
im not playing ark right now lol
worn ember
If you thought MC was full of bugs, go play ARK with Aikar
slim nymph
@worn ember as of 1.13+, MC's worse off than ark....
worn ember
what about the rubberbanding tho
slim nymph
ill trade MC for ark gladly
worn ember
that shit triggers me
slim nymph
rubberbanding?
worn ember
PaperARK when?
slim nymph
only time i see something like that is occassionally when client is desynced, relogging fixes but can also sometimes walk it off, or respawn
potent warren
Sponge vs Paper, who wins? biased opinions only
slim nymph
well I play console, dont get access to server software there
worn ember
rip
slim nymph
only a single hosting company authorized to sell servers
worn ember
have you played the pirate ripoff lol?
slim nymph
nah
worn ember
shits hilariously broken
slim nymph
its not a ripoff, they made that game too
worn ember
i mean, its literally an asset flip
slim nymph
yes, but ripoff implies another company stole the idea π
worn ember
I really dont like Wild Card tbh
i had such high hopes for ARK
and it turned out pretty meh
slim nymph
they do some shitty things yeah. and give shit support. I dont play official anymore. i escaped that masochist fucking hell of a place
slim nymph
lol
worn ember
instead of fixing their shit they just kept adding new stuff, pretty much what mc is doing now
slim nymph
yep. as is aid, mc is worse off now
unreal quarry
Hytale will save us, don't worry ^_^
worn ember
This is why i love Keen, they actually fix their bugs before they introduce new blocks
(SE developers btw)
ancient bolt
hytale will leave me behind π¦
worn ember
Good
quasi valley
the modding on hytale looks awesome so far
viral hornet
Hytale characters are fucking terrifying though
wide chasm
Does Hytale have a release date already? Or is it still unannounced?
quasi valley
they have a couple of blogpost showing off their tools modders can use
not yet announced
pulsar wigeon
soonβ’
viral hornet
quasi valley
which isnt bad tbh, theyll hopefully actually make it good and not rush it to a certain date
worn ember
they just shouldnt have hyped it from the start so much
quasi valley
well that opened them a lot of possibilities for hiring and sponsors
slim nymph
did that go back silent mode with no updates
quasi valley
a blogpost once every few weeks I think
slim nymph
hmm ok so still active
unreal quarry
They're doing weekly blog and daily Twitter now
quasi valley
yea
slim nymph
maybe it wont be vaporware
pulsar wigeon
hey guys what about cubeworld Kappa
worn ember
carboard?
quasi valley
its dev actually still posts a new screen every few months haha
release in 2025 at that rate
- a few screens every few months... or years
pulsar wigeon
yea lol that was the first thing in a long time
tbf that's basically just one guy's hobby proj tho
unlike hytale
slim nymph
my wife had me buy that for her, i forgot about that game
quasi valley
I'll probably try it when(/if) it comes out again, just to see what he made of it
I'd still call it fun for what it is
quasi valley
what did you do 
worn ember
create an account
vestal jasper
I've had twitter suspend my account because someone followed me too quickly after creation
quasi valley
noice
potent warren
For some reason, when I open Twitter with some kind of HTTP referer, it just doesn't work
worn ember
i dont even have any followers or any tweets
i created my account and it got suspended until i add my phone number
nice scam
quasi valley
they probably think you're just an egg
worn ember
if they want my phone number go buy it off google or something
potent warren
Meanwhile Spotify https://i.imgur.com/Y3DMJT7.png
the caption buttons' window just borked itself
woven otter
what did I miss
quasi valley
mass extinction
quasi valley
pulsar wigeon
he's just pretending to be alive
quasi valley
who isnt
potent warren
^^
worn ember
add a phone number to remove your restriction
you are not allowed to preform this action
why did i even bother with twitter
wide chasm
Idk, just don't use it.
potent warren
@quasi valley do you rotate your Discord avatar on oposite day? π€
celest coyote
twitter is dumb anyways
quasi valley
yeah, but sideways
potent warren
worn ember
yeah dont care enough to contact support for this
quasi valley
GET. IN. THE. BOAT
woven otter
that's just wrong
quasi valley
no u
woven otter
u
limber knotBOT
Kenny: I am an egg
pulsar wigeon
are you a π¦ π₯
quasi valley
then you're part of the headless eggarmy 
pulsar wigeon
π₯
quasi valley
or maybe it's just a well rounded potato, who knows
quasi valley
you wont after they are fed π¦
unreal quarry
@celest coyote purpur has that built in :3
We tried hanging one at spawn, but they move too much and break the lead that way lol
unreal quarry
It fits our medieval theme, the hangings
pulsar wigeon
riiight
unreal quarry
We settled for hanging a chicken lol
pulsar wigeon
medieval theme
fair spire
grand slate
Love that, gnome (don't shoot me) felt slow, so I was a good boy and installed my graphics card driver, wouldn't work for hours, booted me into some command line instead... Oops.. I just redownloaded it and then it worked π
idk whether to be happy, confused ,or just accept it. I think i'll go with the latter
zealous socket
inb4 it breaks again after a reboot
golden gust
Best advice is to just accept it
unreal quarry
"booted me into some command line" that's where I live @grand slate
grand slate
Billy it wasn't so bad, I could boot up into gnome by pressing CTRL + F1 (iirc) just it was 4:3 :d and using th default driver was better
emacs os
unreal quarry
F6
pulsar wigeon
oh is it f6. been a while since i used ubuntu
grand slate
I literally have no idea. I'm a newb. I just felt annoyed that I tried to be better by installing a driver, and it wasn't working lel. This is Debian anyway
golden gust
I recall getting stumped by it on some machine recently
grand slate
Either way,I just redownloaded it, ran the same shell script, and viola it worked, rebooted and now it's a fast gnome. When I say fast, I mean it's not choppy
unreal quarry
It probably worked the 2nd time because Nvidia installer won't run while X is running
grand slate
π
grand slate
Something else I had to disable first was called Nouveau
which I think was the driver I was replacing
unreal quarry
That's the opensource nvidia driver, nouveau