too many cheaters
#general
slim nymph
serene bolt
ARK pvp lmao gl with that, it's a mess
slim nymph
ark pvp looks super fun, if it didnt have a damn meshing problem
worn ember
you can literally put so much points in speed you can barely even see them moving on your screen anymore
the hit registration is also completely whack
oh and you're trying to snipe someone, and you hit him right in the head and wonder why nothing happens
dusk drift
@serene bolt Holy shit, Hi. Your a Spigot Mod!
Thank you so much 
worn ember
cuz theres some unrendered rocks inbetween the two of you lmao
slim nymph
I dont do pvp or even youtube, but ive enjoyed some ark pvp vids, least zombos with the RP element: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7j78wesw0
limber knotBOT
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pulsar wigeon
what the fuck is this idol worship
worn ember
idk, i was so invested in this game and i felt let down so yeah, kinda hate the game now
when your question on SO is so advanced even they cant answer it ๐ข
wide chasm
Or some people just hit downvote and no one looks at it anymore.
worn ember
it only has 17 views since yesterday
so i doubt it'll ever be answered
time to ditch the project lol
worn ember
it got one reply from some random indian dude that said the same thing i literally tried and explained in the post lmao
serene bolt
I've seen a "paid" version of paper floating around recently, something like $300 a month for a """"heavily optimized version""""
vestal jasper
just remove half the stuff in the server
serene bolt
the features they listed honestly just sounded like they took some PRs from github and threw 'em in
fallen oracle
It's sad but people will
worn ember
dumb people
void void
am bak naio
jaunty oriole
you know people eat it up if it exists
worn ember
they deserve to get scammed lul
serene bolt
yeah, but i mean they took currently not approved / in review / in progress PRs that are not in main yet, and threw em on top of paper and sold it
pulsar wigeon
Optimized every aspect of the spigot
worn ember
is papa Aikar asks for 3k for the next paper release he can shove it either way ๐
tropic flame
"the spigot"
serene bolt
it's insane how much money people can make just by making claims and convincing server owners with far too much money to buy it for 9999 tps
worn ember
i dont even have 3k networth lmao
pulsar wigeon
chargeback pretty fast on that tbh
cloud cypress
Mine isn't even positive lmao
vestal jasper
- All crash exploits fixed 
- 2000% faster getCubes method
jaunty oriole
oh yeah definitely hit em with a chargeback
serene bolt
2000%!!!!!!
void void
wtf is that shit
fallen oracle
"GUI TPS viewing"
worn ember
change getCubes to getCylinders to speed up processing
jaunty oriole
integrated plugins for 999% speed boost
vestal jasper
- Handle upto 2k people in a single location (as long as the hardware allows it, based on x1950 TR)
I love how redundant and useless this claim is.
You can handle an infinite amount of players in the same location given you have the hardware to support it
cloud cypress
deletes the rest of your hard drive to improve chunk loading speed
serene bolt
let's just all go back to using hMod and call it a day
worn ember
Sponge > Paper ๐
vestal jasper
- Custom crash handling to prevent the server from crashes and allow it to be restored to normal working conditions
do they just surround everything in the main class with a giant try/catch 
void void
what the actual fuck
serene bolt
hey - if it doesn't crash ,it doesn't crash. who cares about data integrity?
jaunty oriole
yeah they just continue and not handle the crash at all
pulsar wigeon
it's prob jus fuckit.js
woven otter
quality software
pulsar wigeon
tileentity erros on tick? remove it
slim nymph
damnit yall found my alt identity selling my super secret paper fork
vestal jasper
"why is my world corrupt?"
golden gust
There are some valid tactics there
Issue is that they often don't use stuff like that, and just leave corrupted state
void void
If this is a legit way of making money I better go get on it
worn ember
scamming uneducated people is ez
pulsar wigeon
catch (Throwable ignored) {}
worn ember
and given half server owners are under 15 it wouldnt be too hard to scam them lol
void void
"look! no errors!"
cloud cypress
@worn ember Sponge is good when it actually works
worn ember
i havent seen it not work
pulsar wigeon
ur server sux
worn ember
ur just shid
slim nymph
cloud cypress
It was bad
jaunty oriole
oh dear
vestal jasper
- Combat patches that revolutionized the practice gamemode
I like how they don't even say what these patches are.
They're just like "it good now"
worn ember
yes
wide chasm
If you give dumb people too much information they may become too smart and won't buy your product.
vestal jasper
true
cloud cypress
^
worn ember
or you just load them with a bunch of fancy sounding words that are essentially worthless and they'll believe you
void void
jaunty oriole
they'll start googling!! and they'll find out!!
vestal jasper
Auction ends: YY/MM/DD - 19/07/13
What country does year/month/day?
I know day/month/year and month/day/year are common.
slim nymph
thats july 19th 2013 obviously
vestal jasper
ok
golden gust
Get some ISO8601 in your life
wide chasm
Sorting YYYY-MM-DD as text sorts by date as well.
slim nymph
well ISO8601 doesnt use /
worn ember
if you went to a horse race and some dude said to you "put your money on that horse" and he looks like he knows what he's talking about you'll be more likely to bet on that horse ๐
same shit
vestal jasper
I somehow doubt he knows about ISO 8601
golden gust
True, but still
slim nymph
it is actually kinda confusing to read since its a non standard way of writing dates
worn ember
just get the timestamp
wide chasm
I don't know, my pc's date is YYY-MM-DD and I adapted to it pretty quickly.
golden gust
I store all my dates like that, tbh
worn ember
everyone should know how to read timestamps and calculate their date based on it
slim nymph
019-08-27 damn thats weird
golden gust
I don't care to configure my OS to display it like that to me though, but especially for backups and stuff, it makes sense
ur weird
slim nymph
fuck the 2
golden gust
19-08-27
worn ember
sue me
wide chasm
The hardest part of reading a date for me is the month. If you ask me what month number 7 would be I'd have no idea.
worn ember
Juli ๐
worn ember
at the same time ๐ฏ
wide chasm
He just converted it to a different locale ๐
worn ember
we live in a parallel universe where leaf isnt a furry
wide chasm
We do?
void void
well I mean
it should ring a bell which part of that is the month
because months don't go over 12 and 2000
wide chasm
Yes, but consider 07-12-2000. Is this DD-MM-YYYY or MM-DD-YYYY?
worn ember
i just assume its not american
void void
I'll put my dunce hat on
wide chasm
I don't see any reason to use MM-DD-YYYY to be honest. At least with DD-MM-YYYY it goes from a smaller unit to a larger unit and with YYYY-MM-DD it goes from larger to smaller and is sortable just like normal text while also sorting by date. MM-DD-YYYY is... used, I guess? Other than that, I see no reason to use it.
vestal jasper
"MM-DD-YY because months are smaller numbers than days" 
dusk drift
worn ember
dd-mm-yyyy makes most sense
vestal jasper
yes
wide chasm
I'd go for YYYY-MM-DD to be honest.
worn ember
days change every day, months change once a month, and years only chance once a year...
so why would you put months before days
vestal jasper
a standard barely anyone uses
worn ember
being standard doesnt make it better
merry talon
not true lol
wide chasm
Consider the number 123. The 3 is only 3, the 2 is 20 and the 1 is 100. The larger one is on the left, while with DD-MM-YYYY the larger one is on the right.
merry talon
it's used basically everywhere except microsoft has chosen not to
wide chasm
No, cause the ISO standard would follow the numbering standard, since year is larger than month and is on the left.
worn ember
most segnificant to least segnificant
golden gust
MM-DD-YYYY because we're 'murican and do it our own way!
Timings website needs like a scrolling banner
Flips between "no #spigot" and "Don't screenshot timings!"
worn ember
add a WE SUPPORT ISO 8601 banner and we good
wide chasm
WE ONLY SUPPORT ISO 8601
jaunty oriole
Screenshotting timings is a criminal offense!!
merry talon
I've gotten some weird looks when dating paperwork with ISO 8601
and then no one can think of a reason why I wouldn't do it that way
wide chasm
lol
worn ember
๐
void void
1.15 is that you
pearl oar
celest coyote
void void
lol
velvet hound
quasi valley
vestal jasper
gg
quasi valley
pulsar wigeon
nerds
quasi valley
if I have already have it spare, just not using it should be sentenced by stoning 
dire summit
woven otter
why is everyone boosting server all of sudden
woven otter
nah don't have nitro atm
quasi valley
scrub
quasi valley
someone gave it to me, so
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I subscribed for classic, but paying for even more overprized schtuff isnt something I'd want to do every month
but a gift is a gift 
hardy heath
woven otter
imagine paying extra 5$ for ability to boost servers 
tame dagger
unreal quarry
Never understood why people feel boosting a discord guild is supporting the guild. It's not. It's supporting discord. If you really want to support the guild (aka, paper) could just send Z the $10 on PayPal. Then at least it will be put to good use (buying tacos)
true canyon
But boosting the server gives a higher voice chat bitrate for my cat carrier!
static badge
you don't even speak in there do you
true canyon
Which is entirely meaningless because they somehow manage to screw up the audio such that it sounds terrible vs equal bitrate opus over mumble
Of course not, leaf
golden gust
I just wish they'd fix the volumes ๐ฆ
quasi valley
I'd still rather go on any ts server that lets you create channels than to speak on discord tbh ๐
not to even mention actual server and permission management
unreal quarry
Pretty sure TS lost due to their licensing. What is it, 10 slots for a free license? Could only imaging what a 5000 slot license is to support everyone in here
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free
quasi valley
they practically give out 500 client licencs for free to anyone requesting it, let it be a 30 player mc server
golden gust
And tbh, the entire process looked kinda o.O
true canyon
Mumble ftw!
quasi valley
probably to then have those people pay for ts5 servers when it eventually comes
unreal quarry
We should just make our own software, and make it self hosting, and free for everyone
unreal quarry
Right @golden gust?
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pinging cat 
true canyon
Start by forking mumble, ez pz
unreal quarry
I liked mumble when I tried it. Only problem was getting other people to install it too lol
golden gust
It's all open source
limber knotBOT
Waht i cant understand you
golden gust
if you really cared/hated yourself, you could probs make an electron client or something
true canyon
โค mumble, so easy.
golden gust
The only real pros of discord to me is that people have accounts for it already
if I didn't have to join it for some mc server I was devin' for, I probs wouldnta joined discord until paper did
worn ember
Cuz you're a conservatist
golden gust
No
quasi valley
for me discord is essentially the text source to any other minecraft related thingy I want news/communication of other than our own server 
quasi valley
how
limber knotBOT
electroniccat I dont quite know how to tell you this But I am possbily going to be replacing you.
quasi valley
I have it at 100
golden gust
wut
worn ember
Unused ram is wasted ram
limber knotBOT
limber knotBOT
Pfffttt you will miss me abusing you
void void
golden gust
NO DADDY NO
vestal jasper
..
upper flicker
We are weird
vestal jasper
just new guy?
limber knotBOT
IKR
vestal jasper
Pretty sure everyone thinks you're weird, cat
static badge
just the new guy
vestal jasper
leaf you're washed up
upper flicker
Thanks
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vic you're actually bronze
unreal quarry
green text
vestal jasper
literally I'm not
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literally are
narrow stream
golden gust
๐
vestal jasper
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wtf
quasi valley
silver = bronze
vestal jasper
also I cba to solo queue comp and all my friends are literally bronze
worn ember
@vestal jasper what game
vestal jasper
overwatch
unreal quarry
Cancer
worn ember
Lol no wonder you have no friends to play with
vestal jasper
oof
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rolled
worn ember
;)
vestal jasper
it's less cancer than league
I enjoy being forced into 40 minute ranked matches where the entire team is toxic the entire game /s
static badge
dota/league are trash tbh
worn ember
No u
void void
Hey there I am looking for a good inside to bungeecord/waterfall
About the commands and stuff
Thanks
worn ember
Thanks
quasi valley
you're welcome
golden gust
The spigot wiki goes over the commands and stuff
void void
Kind of new for this stuff
worn ember
What exactly are you looking for?
void void
Can you give me an inside of what is waterfall I know that its a proxylike thing to directs you to whatever other servers now
Can it support like 1.8 players and 1.7 and 1.1x players ?
golden gust
It's a proxy that lets you jump between servers
bungee/waterfall support 1.8-1.14.4, Travertine (fork of waterfall) adds support for 1.7.x
That doesn't deal with translating the protocol for different versions, you'd need to look into protocolsupport/viaversion for that
quasi valley
ps and vv are plugins, yea
void void
Neet literally a plugin found the one called ViaVersion
You know I think hypixel should relay on this project
jaunty oriole
they have their own in-house plugins
quasi valley
o.o they have their full time devs implementing all of that customly
void void
Yeah I know but its kind of laggy it must be with their proxy system
I think it takes too much data and they got to split it some how
quasi valley
it's buggy because of 80k players :D
true canyon
There's plenty you can do then, with the money that have to throw around ๐
void void
yeah thats the thing I think so many people log-in and out so their SSD/HARDDRIVE/WHATEVERETC is written so fast so it get laggy some times
golden gust
ViaVersion is actually pretty inefficent
quasi valley
as "smaller" devs or studios you mostly learn how to deal with masses juuust after those masses arrived, so too late ๐
golden gust
I mean, it's not bad
But their implementation choice is far from ideal outside of making stuff super maintainable
Hypixel has a much better strategy for dealing with protocol stuff, which is especially critical given their scale
pulsar wigeon
turns out you can make stuff efficient if you're developing for single-use
who would have guessed
void void
I think their way to go is using some kind of SSD-raid0 system
I understand shit but I think the reason its lagging its the logon of so many people at once
God knows why its lagging could be even their DDOS PROTECTION
golden gust
There are so many variables in play
void void
is there anything better then ViaVersion ofc besides your own plugin or what not
golden gust
for all we know you're on some crappy dsl connection half way around the world
and no
Basically, the only way you'd pull it off efficently is to literally rip the networking out of the client an replace it
I mean, the server
void void
wow
I remember when 1.8 came out when I was a small giant fat shit it used to have a proejct known as https://www.project-rainbow.org/
You guys know about this project ?
bukkit fucked back then and discontinued
wide chasm
I've heard of it, but that's about it.
golden gust
That thing lol
void void
what's project rainbow
golden gust
Last I recall, it was some "Hey, lets get bukkit and forge and some other random api in a jar" or something like that
void void
ewww
golden gust
jaunty oriole
you need worldedit
vestal jasper
why are you compiling plugins on a phone 
void void
Repo dont have that versions
pulsar wigeon
vicarious asking the real questions
unreal quarry
I remember rainbow. Was fun while it lasted ^_^
pulsar wigeon
rainbow api looks terribad and fugly
void void
I just want to revive PreciousStones
unreal quarry
It was
unreal quarry
Lol
void void
Official repo is dead
golden gust
I just remember one of the guys being full of himself yet offering 10/10 yet
unreal quarry
Begged the dude to open source it. Refused
golden gust
10/10 code*
dusk drift
Sounds like wiz
jaunty oriole
what a compliment
unreal quarry
Rainbow had a good solid 4 months of 1.8 before spigot released anything. So it was fun to play with while everyone else was crying about the death of bukkit
golden gust
and then use a version that is actually on there
pulsar wigeon
6.2.x aren't valid api versions
cuz sk never fixed deployments
:^)
only 6.2 exists
which is all you need cuz there's no api changes til 7.0.0
unreal quarry
What ever happened to sk? Last I heard he got tied up in sponge, then burned out and quit everything
pulsar wigeon
tbh he wasn't really into MC when sponge started either
he's around doing other stuff these days
unreal quarry
I wonder if anyone will ask where we went once we finally burn out and move on
pulsar wigeon
you're not significant enough
unreal quarry
:o
worn ember
why does it cost 2.14USD to send 10USD to a friend on paypal ๐ค
pulsar wigeon
the only cries will be "update rideables to 2.1.4 pls!!!!"
golden gust
because paypal
worn ember
frick
i thought it was conversion tax or some shit but i literally have more than 10USD on paypal lol
i blame murica
cloud cypress
TIL 2b2t uses Waterfall
green edge
Would there be any use in an entire web server (like WAMP/XAMPP) in a minecraft plugin
php support, no root requred
autumn sparrow
pulsar wigeon
why tho?
green edge
shared hosting
pulsar wigeon
soooo your solution to shitty hosts is....
make more shit run on the overloaded server???
woven otter
Leaf
pulsar wigeon
what problem are you attempting to solve here?
woven otter
what
worn ember
๐ค
golden gust
You do know that free web hosting exists, rite?
worn ember
its called your pc /s
open all your ports and gif me ip for ez webserver
then again, arent there plugins that do that essentially?
doesnt dynmap run off of plugins? or is it a seperate instance for the web?
golden gust
They both use standalone servers dedicated to the task
dynmap/plan aren't going to be dealing with php if they're hosting as a java app
green edge
yeah, it's easy to do
that's the thing
and nobody did that yet
considering most people running a server (who don't run it professionally) don't know how to even use ssh
it may help some
unreal quarry
So, you're enabling people's ignorance by making better idiots
green edge
no, you profit off their ignorance and make yourself a name using it
unreal quarry
Capitalism strikes again
golden gust
as I hobby "because I can",i see it
as something that would take off beyond a few billies
meh
green edge
generally idea is that you can use the embedded web server as a gateway to a lot of things
green edge
you can use it for a web panel, php shell, etc
golden gust
implying I have the upload to do that
green edge
because shared hosting
woven otter
because php is awesome
golden gust
I was going to ask about how the fuck you'd do that in java, btw
I was sad to say that I found an answer
woven otter
can someone explain why mcmmo is getting stuck on enable 
pulsar wigeon
.g java php server
golden gust
"with php" wut
limber knotBOT
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golden gust
and yea, I spotted that
pulsar wigeon
green edge
migh be, not sure if it supports php 5
worn ember
contribute to MMSG instead
green edge
it's 5.4 for ionloader
worn ember
php 1 all the way
green edge
not sure if the .4 means bug fixes or new API
worn ember
probably fixes and features
golden gust
Now, the Q is; would phpbb run on it
worn ember
woven otter
php the best lang
worn ember
green edge
oof, you didn't specify the version ๐
woven otter
yikes
worn ember
green edge
may work
worn ember
did you send Z any nudes yet kitty boi?
green edge
thought that was a forum in jsp lol
worn ember
imagine being born
void void
cant relate
worn ember
JS PHP when?
green edge
yeah, some unholy stuff right here
void void
why the fak u doing this
green edge
because curious and because most shared-server owners wouldn't mind a free web host
void void
void void
just because it works doesnt mean you should do it
green edge
i know i shouldn't use it
but it may have some benefits
not like a shared server owner is going to have 1000 people on his forum
green edge
and to be honest i'd personally not mind to be able to install a web server for a panel, etc in a server just by dragging a plugin
ornate hill
green edge
general idea is that it may allow shared server owners not to spend an extra 2$ a month on web hosting and just get a simple all-in-one web server for whatever they need
worn ember
still wouldnt work if the host blocks the ports
green edge
they usually give you 2-3 ports
wooden blade
Not hard to work around that. The one I use provides 5-10
worn ember
well i dont use shared hosting, but i'd assume they want their shit as locked down as possible so people cant "abuse" their systems to draw more resources
woven otter
I mean you could use srv records
green edge
web server uses 1/10 what a mc server uses
remember the time back when they charged slot counts
green edge
searched for that ๐ฆ, doubt browsers support it
woven otter
I don't think browsers even need to handle them
worn ember
port is of little importance
hasty cargo
golden gust
wouldn't mind a free shared web host
green edge
almost got nameless installed on java php
golden gust
You mean, like a free shared web host?
green edge
usually shared web hosts are overused
minecraft hosts can handle a web server way better
plus you have the advantage of being able to execute stuff on your own server dir from there
woven otter
just get a vps tbh
green edge
i don't even bother myself lol, but some people can't list a directory in linux
and don't want to learn
zealous knot
it probably hooked into another protection plugin ie worldguard or some other shit
but it's like a dead simple thing to do on your own really
green edge
what about ssh on a shared host
would that be a good idea?
because php on java is fiddly
limber knotBOT
You can just allow them to ssh into a docker container rite?
limber knotBOT
ooohh your trying to get it on a mc host
void void
wtf...
what makes you think they want ssh
and also you're depending on them opening ports for your plugin
more than likely not going to happen
limber knotBOT
happens to be 443/80?
limber knotBOT
xd
Honestly for these kinds of things, just ask some friend that happens to have a vps running
i would host small sites for free for friends
unless they get like 10k hits an hour
green edge
want some interesting project idea to clean my mind
after some really routine plugins i've did
limber knotBOT
do something outside miencraft?
green edge
thought about machine learning bitcoin price prediction
void void
hes making an embedded webserver (and potentially embedded ssh) for mc, which is ๐คข my god jesus christ almight come down from the heavens and cleanse our fucking souls
green edge
but that's a lot of math i can't take in right now
limber knotBOT
there are already "webserver" projects anyways
but yes inside a mc server is just
stupid af
and agains TOS
./shrug
green edge
TOS for what?
limber knotBOT
your host's TOS
green edge
plan does that
limber knotBOT
they only allow acutal meinkraft servers
void void
most shared hosts will absolutely not be okay with th at
limber knotBOT
Plan is something else m8
void void
i mean, a general purpose webserver for hosting arbitrary php?
limber knotBOT
its an addition to your minecraft servers, just like idk dynmap
limber knotBOT
hosts are fine with that, but they aren't fine with their stuff being used as a crappy webhost
void void
LMFAO
limber knotBOT
allowing ssh into a host is basically a shitty vps xd
void void
jesus christ...
green edge
mcc server vpn
void void
Go post here, Stef. Seriously. https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyideas/
green edge
lol
wide chasm
I was worried for a second
limber knotBOT
โฌ1,33 a month for a vps that can run any decent website
green edge
what's the host?
limber knotBOT
and you get a dedicated ipv4&ipv6 block
its hostus
(just to clarify, only ipv6 block)
void void
there used to be a place that i think was called post4host and they would give you a vps for a monthly forum post quota.
it was kek but it worked
limber knotBOT
thefuck
green edge
512 ram, 1 cpu core
limber knotBOT
i have 700 ram 1 shared core
the boi can acutally run jenkins
for simple builds, not java plugins of course
as jenkins itself already uses up over half
why am i even chatting on irc lol
void void
jenkins probably takes 15 mins to boot on that
worn ember
i have 2gb and 4 cores for 4euro a month lul
green edge
there's a lot of interesting ideas coming to mind combining web with minecraft
worn ember
except you shouldnt
green edge
if you don't add php to it
zealous knot
i have 8 gigs and 4 cores for $40 a month 
green edge
and it just has a app running, it may be fine
limber knotBOT
DarkEyeDragon, i have 8 gig dual core for 5 euro a month
green edge
ouch, that's a lot mister_fix
worn ember
just make a node interpreter in java
green edge
for $40 a month you can get a dedi
limber knotBOT
wait its acutally a quaod core
worn ember
pretty sure it is a dedi lol
green edge
*better dedi
limber knotBOT
so 8 gig ram, 120gig ssd and 4 cores for โฌ5 a month mhh
worn ember
i mean my pc has better specs for free
void void
your guys brains are in the fucking gutter with these ideas i s2g
limber knotBOT
that super cheap vps is my vpn thing
worn ember
kappa
limber knotBOT
a pc is in your home ._.
void void
if you make any of them you deserve public slaughter
green edge
or if you want
worn ember
@void void come at me bro
void void
like cattle
worn ember
i will make node in java
green edge
hetzner cloud
void void
.kill DarkEyeDragon
limber knotBOT
slices DarkEyeDragon's limbs off with a rusty scythe.
green edge
limber knotBOT
Sโteโfaโtoโruโs i had a dedi from hetzner for 21 a month
some E3
32 ram
green edge
this is dope for apps requiring lots of processing
you create 10 of these, it costs 0.6 an hour
limber knotBOT
Contabo cheaper
green edge
you have 320 GB ram, 80 cores
limber knotBOT
i host all my shit in germany or netherlands
zealous knot
im bad at geography
worn ember
@zealous knot my vps is in germany
green edge
thought of running a "rent per hour" VPN service via hetzner cloud
spin up a new cloud machine every time somebody joins
and you get 300 Mb/s vpn
void void
hnghhhghghghghghghghghghghghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
limber knotBOT
lol
worn ember
simple is dying lmao
limber knotBOT
300mbit is nothing
green edge
would cost 0.005 a hour
void void
i'll pay my fucking yearly subscription to a real vpn that handles privacy properly
thanks
green edge
for a VPN it's quite a bit
limber knotBOT
my cheap ass 1.33 a month vps can do atleast 200mbit
green edge
run your own simple lol
void void
I don't need to run my own and when I'm in China, airvpn just "works" - I don't need to do anything extra whatsoever.
limber knotBOT
gigabit?
void void
So no thanks
worn ember
my vpn is airgapped kappa, aint nobody getting through that
limber knotBOT
xd
zealous knot
Bro i host my VPN in china
green edge
limber knotBOT
bruh if your pulling 10 gigabit constantly over that vps they will be like "fuck off"
and they have a limit of like 2tb iirc
green edge
nah, they said it can do that
20 TB
and you can remove that container, create another one in 1 min
limber knotBOT
idk i used hetzner cloud for a bit but can't remember
worn ember
@zealous knot i used almost 80gb on network and i havent even used my VPS for anything relevant lol
limber knotBOT
20TB over 10 gibabit lol
green edge
you can even sell that as routine ip changes
limber knotBOT
doesn't take that long
green edge
to "better improve security"
limber knotBOT
also have fun
hetzner and abuse records is wow
they almost shut down my dedi for 2 times
because some random person sent some abuse record
green edge
actually, i did a port scan, explained what i've did they said it was a mistake in their detection system
limber knotBOT
and i had to reply in 24 hours else they would shut it down
green edge
they properly detected it but sait it's a mistake lol
zealous knot
I remember setting up a squid proxy server on a blank VPN and posting it's IP on some dodgy free proxy website, i recall traffic of line 5 gigabit at one point, most of it probably being child porn, script kiddies and people who watch porn at work
worn ember
does a ipv6 pose security risks? as technically you can access it from anywhere on the planet right? without NAT
green edge
plus what will they shut down if your container is gone by the time they detect it
limber knotBOT
So if your running it as a public vpn good luck
worn ember
i dont think you want to know what passes through those vpn's in the first place
limber knotBOT
ipv6 doens't need NAT, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a firewall
golden gust
I mean, v6 does pose some concerns
worn ember
if not done properly ofc
golden gust
The issue is that most things don't do it right
worn ember
?
worn ember
does DHCP even support IPV6? or do you not even need it for that?
limber knotBOT
aneurism ?
worn ember
i forgot lol
limber knotBOT
DHCPv6
celest coyote
The issue with ipv6 is that because it doesnt need a nat, everyonr decided to make ipv6 devices directly accesable over the ineternet for no reason
worn ember
ah yeah ofc ;p
limber knotBOT
you need to get an ip so the router knows where to send stuff to
and dhcpv6 can assign a public routable one
because you don't need nat
celest coyote
You dont need dhcp for ipv6 either
worn ember
well theres also no regulations right?
so technically people could have the same ipv6 adress
limber knotBOT
you need dhcp, how else is the client going to know its external ip and stuff lol
worn ember
or do they pass out blocks?
worn ember
maybe there was another protocol Xeyame
limber knotBOT
no its litterally called DHCPv6
worn ember
ok
limber knotBOT
Internet routing is a joke anyawys
zealous knot
@worn ember Well anyway what i was about to say before my brain melted out of my head and dropped to the floor is that if you know what's going through your VPN, then you're accountable for the shit that goes through it, and if there's cheese pizza there you'll be held accountable
celest coyote
If one isp messes up with thier routing it can cause entire sections of the net to go down world wide
worn ember
ipv6 is interesting but also quite a pain lol
pulsar wigeon
whether or not it exists is a separate matter from whether or not it is needed or used
zealous knot
in most locations at least
limber knotBOT
There are these BGP softwares that find the best routing paths, they also fuck up sometimes
worn ember
yeah
limber knotBOT
causing weird traffic stuff
pulsar wigeon
weird traffic stuff
celest coyote
Bgp is so primitive...
pulsar wigeon
thanks for the technical explanation
worn ember
sounds like belgian traffic in a nutshell
celest coyote
Im suprised theres nothing better used
limber knotBOT
"i think this needs to go to 1.45.64.233" - Meanwhile that router is other side of the world, routing it back to the same place because its traffic to the same country
i know internet doesn't work with countries but you get what i mean
regal light
worn ember
well feel free to come up with something better
golden gust
Not really sure how you define "better"
celest coyote
Im going to build that one day
Are there?
They arnt really tracking though
They are just like there are radio waves coming from this area
I mean tracking people accurately and uniquely
worn ember
tracking people is easy
celest coyote
But first i need a shitton of research money and need to understand the ins and outs of wifi firmware
worn ember
also i dont think its really possible with just wifi
green edge
kickash ask the nsa
worn ember
as you're only connected to one source
green edge
they may be interested in such software
celest coyote
Its possible
green edge
would be pretty useful in hostage situations
celest coyote
If you use multiple antennas
green edge
actually in that case it'd be dope
celest coyote
Well
worn ember
why not infrared
celest coyote
Commodity hardware had mutliple antennas
You can get consumer routers eith 7 antennas for like 500 bucks or somrthing
worn ember
or sonar lol
celest coyote
You cant use it like sonar
Wavelength is too big
And water and shit absorbs wifi signals
worn ember
ik, i'm just saying if you're going to use triangular math to get peoples location you could aswel just use anything else that emits signals
celest coyote
Yes i know
green edge
5 ghz doesn't pass through walls
celest coyote
Thats obly double
worn ember
high frequency = low range
green edge
so technically it is more accurate, but you'd need more antennas
celest coyote
Thsts not really how physics works
green edge
well, human is kind of a wall
zealous knot
Well i mean you can always beam lethal doses of Gamma radiation in the general direction and locate a person based on the voice of their dying screams
worn ember
celest coyote
Yah okay
green edge
with 2.4, the change is smaller and probabbly less noticeable
green edge
oh, you want to detect them based on their smart device connection?
worn ember
Stef no offense but you're full of bullshit
zealous knot
why no offense?
celest coyote
Full offence
zealous knot
extra offense
green edge
well, it's tehnically possible ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
if you detect signal power
and you have a high frequency
worn ember
lol
void void
I knew he was full of shit the minute he started talking about embedding general purpose webservers into minecraft
because 'convenience'
worn ember
what does gps use? radio waves?
zealous knot
yeah
green edge
1575 mhz
celest coyote
I have actually studied networking and signal electronics in university so i kind of know what im talking about
green edge
and 1227 Mhz
worn ember
i only followe networking and electronics, no signals ;n;
void void
@celest coyote emphasis on kind of 
zealous knot
LMAO
worn ember
black magic
void void
put black chip here, put sky thing here, it work
zealous knot
that's racist
worn ember
i want white chips
void void
WHY IS IT NOT WHITE
celest coyote
Me likr red
worn ember
good way to get yourself banned fix lmao
zealous knot
i dunno what you're talking about
zealous knot
*asks*
celest coyote
Being simple?
worn ember
@zealous knot they have an irc bot lmao
void void
be named devon
zealous knot
shit
celest coyote
Lmao
zealous knot
worn ember
nice random caps
celest coyote
@void void ill br honest the last 20 percent of those classes i kinda gave up and my grade badically dropped an entire level
void void
.remind -w -d 208641151509463051 30d remember dat u sux
worn ember
i think the bot died lmao
void void
wait i fukd it up clearly
golden gust
!stats
limber knotBOT
Uptime: 26 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes, 13 seconds
Message Handling: 3ms / 1ms (mean/median)
Messages from IRC: 6004 (6%)
Messages from Discord: 97449 (94%)
worn ember
oh its !
golden gust
or ur just dum
vestal jasper
worn ember
why do you use different syntax
golden gust
different bot
celest coyote
Damn
celest coyote
An entirs website
golden gust
Yes
worn ember
i thought it was the same
golden gust
No
celest coyote
For mocking spongebob
zealous knot
and i paid money for it ๐
jaunty oriole
it's the internet, what did you expect
golden gust
Bridge is its own thing, if it parsed .stats it would be potentially hijacking a command from going to irc
golden gust
Cafebabe, well; xD now; is a bot on the IRC network
jaunty oriole
golden gust
.rekt
limber knotBOT
โ DegREKT
worn ember
๐ค
zealous knot
it actually doesnt work well on discord because of caching
jaunty oriole
holy shit it worked
vestal jasper
I wonder
woven otter
.rekt
limber knotBOT
โ It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a REKT man in possession of a REKT fortune, must be in want of a REKT
celest coyote
https://mockingspongebob.org/ @jaunty oriole
vestal jasper
void void
woven otter
AAA
celest coyote
green edge
lol
celest coyote
I never went to the website
worn ember
or did you
celest coyote
worn ember
dun dun dunnn
zealous knot
i'm like 80% sure that discord doesn't let clients have direct access to the server if they didn't click the link
zealous knot
the embedded images are all proxied
jaunty oriole
https://mockingspongebob.org/@Darth Zim#8073
worn ember
they process the images first and use their CDN to display the image
jaunty oriole
ah shit
worn ember
otherwise you'd just have to post an image and you'd have the entire discord their ip xD
seems fine to me
green edge
wasn't that the situation in skype with many things?
worn ember
i dont know
celest coyote
Yes
zealous knot
yeah
worn ember
actually now that i think about it
celest coyote
Skype leaked ip like crazy
worn ember
so does my image mod ๐
golden gust
Skype was a p2p chat
vestal jasper
https://mockingspongebob.org/";%20DROP%20ALL%20TABLES
green edge
were messages also p2p?
golden gust
Yes
green edge
oh
celest coyote
But yeah skype is inherantly p2p
green edge
lol vicarious
worn ember
pay2play
void void
that reminds me of that dude who posted a backdoor on spigot
golden gust
They did switch it over to cloud based stuff for chat
void void
he hardcoded his mysql
vestal jasper
nice
void void
so i decomped, logged in, and dropped everything
golden gust
and then voice itself could be proxied through their servers
celest coyote
Dafaq
zealous knot
@vestal jasper You already tried this on City's server, and i told you this doesn't even use a database
vestal jasper
implying I keep track of the random shit I do
celest coyote
Evil
woven otter
bobby tables
green edge
remember back when somebody was advertising his upload php script he made
worn ember
rainbow tables
green edge
used it in conjunction with shell.php
void void
.g little bobby tables
limber knotBOT
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green edge
played with the server a bit, told him
void void
Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory.
worn ember
that reminds me of that article about that dude that got a customized license plate named NULL
void void
i want that wtf
worn ember
he got all the speeding tickets for speeders where they couldnt get a proper license plate or something
cuz it was stored with a value of NULL lol
void void
lmao
green edge
my country has a ip range reserved for highly sensitive systems
thing is they rarely put a password on stuff
so i've found things from cameras to conference rooms to police routers
void void
TSA's itemizers had hardcoded backdoors in them
Only recently fixed
(Those are the things that detect explosives.)
zealous knot
Some people pull of the black shit off the license plates, the shit that highlights the number, so it looks rather normal in person but speeding cameras can't recognize the license plate
void void
(You could literally turn off bomb detection.)
woven otter
worn ember
my neighbors their network cameras arent protected either
so you can just log into their camaras to check their house
ez if you're planning on breaking in
void void
Oh yeah, and their itemizers were on shodan
green edge
lol, related to that
void void
meaning they were for some fucking reason
connected to the internet
WITH BACKDOORS
HARDCODED NUMERIC PASSWORDS
worn ember
yes
woven otter
interesting
green edge
yeah, lots of IOT's have hardcoded passwords that get released into the wild
zealous knot
back out homie what are itemizers
green edge
some of the passwords get cracked, some don't
found around 1000 cameras using a old model with a default password literally nobody changed
void void
Airport security, you put your stuff on the line
It scans it
They detect bombs, drugs, whatever
green edge
made a program to cache the main page for entire ip ranges into mysql
void void
You could log in with a hardcoded password and turn off bomb detection.
zealous knot
so like an X-Ray machine?
void void
With the superuser.
green edge
so you can then regex through all of them.
worn ember
oh yeah thats the one
void void
They have xrays too but the itemizer is separate, inside of the same machine tho
zealous knot
never heard of tech like this
void void
It specifically detects bombs, drugs, etc
zealous knot
an i'm a certified X-Ray machine operator ._.
vestal jasper
It wasn't just the plate being "NULL", it was him accepting a ticket and the system equating the acceptance to meaning "all tickets with a null plate are his"
zealous knot
oh it's the fucking swab thing
green edge
honestly, there are so many issues with IOT devices, it's normal
they're poorly designed
void void
No it's not a swab. It scans things as well.
jaunty rune
void void
Anyway that model is what the TSA uses now after blackhat exposed the passwords live
:-)
worn ember
aww someone in belgium is using NULL as license plate since 2016 ๐ข
vestal jasper
I still don't know how a string with the contents "NULL" equates to literal null